I Love This, Young Turks, Cenk Uygur -- Why Do The Self-Righteous, SMUG, Conservatives Feel That Holding Conservatives Accountable is a CRIMINAL ACT! GIVE It To 'Em Now Because There's So Much More Truth To Be TOAD!(sp) Snicker Snick Snick, Snickt!
Obama is not conservative. He is liberal, the exact opposite of conservative. For msnbc to even discuss this topic is absurd. Now Reagan is a conservative. msnbc is basically questioning the difference between night and day. If anybody here watches msnbc, i highly consider you find another channel to watch.
This is not a video comparing to presidents this is all about how the Left can distort to try and make the Obama better than he is. Sadly very transparent.
@dharrisebay Did you actually listen to the facts in this video? Obama has supported conservative issues. That's just a fact. Don't you know what issues conservatives support?
Besides, Obama supporting conservative issues doesn't exactly make him look better in the eyes of liberals.
@dharrisebay No, you missed the point of the video and the segment by a mile. The point that was made in the segment by Cenk Uygur is that Obama needs to be MORE to the left because he's not progressive enough for a big portion of the country, hence his low approval ratings. He has lost a lot of support among many of the voters who helped vote him into office... and that includes progressives, minorities and younger voters, all who helped his election. Watch the video again.
You're a little confused because you're contrasting "good economy" and "huge deficits." They're not the opposite. You can have both. The economy was good during most of Reagan's presidency, which is why he was re-elected so easily. Remember the "Are you better off now than you were four years ago?" question?
Also, Obama is a Democrat, and none of his ideas have gotten us out of the recession or eliminated the deficit spending.
G.H.W. Bush doesn't get credit simply because the Cold War ended on his watch.
Reagan actually DID SOMETHING to give us a good economy, which was cutting taxes. That caused an end to the Carter recession. You libs need to learn about the business cycle and stop giving credit to the president simply because the economy is good.
Wrong. First of all, you can't even explain what Clinton did to make the economy good, and that's because he did nothing. It was the dotcom boom that caused the good economy. Once the dotcom bubble burst in 2000, we went into a recession. So if having good luck makes you a great president, then Clinton by all means was a great president. Reagan's summits with Gorbachev, which included the weapons reduction treaty, led to the end of the Cold War.
When did I say that Clinton armed Iraq? Learn to read, dildo.
Reagan ended the Cold War, so obviously he did something right. At least the world doesn't have to worry about the Soviet Union anymore. The fact is that Reagan believed in balanced budgets in principle, and he balanced the budget as governor of California.
Clinton had little to do with the economy; it was the dot com boom.
Reagan armed Iraq against Iran and helped Afghanistan against the U.S.S.R. Reagan added to the deficit in winning the Cold War. It was a fair tradeoff.
All of you need to watch the documentary "I Want Your Money". It's still on Netflix as i'm posting this. TYT is an uninformed idiot if he believes that Reagan "failed utterly" at making government smaller. He created 17 million jobs and introduced the biggest tax cuts in American History during his 8 years in office.
"Political center" and "fair and balanced" rhetoric has moved our spectrum off the fucking map to the right--no other first-world nation is even close.
"accountability" that is a word politicians love to use for other people's actions, the only problem is that they never implement it toward their own actions
@thedocumentarian You do realise that Progressive is an OLD Nazi term don't you, I bet you did not know that. Progressives are what have made this country what it is TODAY, which is not very good.
@usam1981 Did you get that from Glenn Beck? That's the only person who I know that has assimilated the Nazis with progressives. What about fascism? Fascism is essentially what the Nazis were all about and Fascists killed and tortured progressives. Progressives have been for democracy and individual rights...ummm...last time that I checked, Hitler convinced Germany that democracy and individual rights were garbage. Where do you get your facts from because they are obscure.
@thedocumentarian Progressives have never been for rights, they are about taking away rights. You really need to get your facts streight. Oh, and just because Glenn Beck said it, does not automatically make something correct, because I did not get that from Glenn Beck. If he did say it, I commend him for bringing it up. Any one who knows Progressive history knows that it is an Old Nazi term. Only Progressives believe otherwise.
@thedocumentarian Concervatives are for rights of people, Progressives are against rights. Concervatives are for freedom of choice, Progressives are for forcing things, like the health care bill down people's throats, Concervatives are for gun rights, Progressives have tried to take guns away from people for decades, Concervatives are for religious rights, Progressives are only for rights if you are not a christian or jew, then they don't give a damn about you.
@usam1981 You say that Progressives are not Nazis, then why did a group of Known Progressives recently march at an american Nazi Parade, holding up signs agreeing with them. Get off your high horse.
@usam1981 Yeah, the cons are for the rights of people, as long as they are white, christian and conservative.
THe cons want big government out of our lives. Unless its the Patriot act, women's rights, gay rights, right to die and right to do what you need to do with your own body in any aspect.
Conservatives don't give a shit about freedom. They just want to justify their psychotic rage against liberals.
@detoth67 You call us racist, but whose party has more KKK Members, it isn't the Concervatives, it's the Democrats. You are against the Patriot act, but you ignore that Obama continued it and made it stronger. Where are those rights listed in the Constitution, I can tell you no where. Liberals don't give a shit about freedom, they just want to justify their Love for Obama, and their hatred of anyone who disagrees with them.
@detoth67 I can name a dozen KKK members amoung the Democrats, while you can't name one amoung the Republicans, and I am talking about one who are well known KKK members, not just a blanket statement of your opinion of Republicans.
@detoth67 You would not know the other names without some reasearch, which I know you would never do, but I can list one you will recognise, Robert Byrd, third in line, behind Joe Biden, for the position of president, and Grand Cyclopse of his local KKK chapter.
@detoth67 Why don't you go and actually read the Republican platform, then come back to me, after that, read the Democrat platform, you will find that you are wrong. Get off Obama's ass please, oh, and Byrd is not dead, he is very alive, and recently wrote a book about being in the KKK, so please, shut up.
@usam1981 WHAT?! Name one conservative that advocated for equitable rights...not constitutional freedoms...there is a difference. Most of the rights even to American for equal protection under the law were done by PROGRESSIVES! Name ONE conservative that advocated for equal rights or rights, period, for the people.
"Concervatives are for religious rights"
Hahaha! What?! Conservatives have been for religious indoctrination of our US laws, not for "rights".
@thedocumentarian Easy Martin Luther King Jr, a known Concervative. We are for religious rights, and we have never tried to indroctinate anyone, while the Democrats have been indoctrinating kids against christianity, like taking the words under God from the pledge of allegance for instance. You make blanket statements about Republicans that have no basis on reality.
@usam1981 WHAT?! So you're telling me that the progressives were the ones that were discriminating against black people during the 1960s and the conservatives and Martin Luther King were the ones trying to elminate it? HAHAHAHA! Have you looked at skin heads, former KKK members, white supremicists who don't want anyone who is non-white to live in this country?! Some of those want to become President and have labeled themselves "small government REPUBLICANS". YOU have no idea what reality is!
@thedocumentarian When I look at democrats, I see far more racism than anywhere else in america, both against blacks and whites. Also, RINOs are hardly real republicans, and we were talking about concervatives, Libertarians are included in that mix, and some old time Democrats. It was the Liberals who have put down people through the ages, by putting them into classes, and keeping them there. Get used to it. The Liberals are loosing because of the Race Card
@usam1981 It seems that on some level that you forget that you live in a representative democracy. If a "progressive" instituted social democratic reforms to lets say health care then it would not be force as the government in power would have been voted in by the majority. Your argument seems to ignore this. Also your genetic fallacy about delineation of social concern along racial lines by liberals is absurd. Does Obama care afford special assistance to minorities? Go to school please.
@burnthesystem11 If we were a "Representative Democracy" As you call us, the government would have had us vote on the bill instead of shoving it down our throats. That is what a Democracy does. We are a republic by the way, which is not a representative Democracy by any means. Get that into your idiotic liberal Head, because there is a difference.
@usam1981 The term representative democracy is distinct from whether a country is a Federal republic or a constitutional monarchy etc. The USA is a representative democracy as well as federal republic. You need to go to university lol. I agree perhaps a referendum would have been a good idea looking back. However, referendums are not legally binding as the government does not have to heed their out come plus they are expensive (government spending). They also undermined the political process.
How can Mr. Donatelli talk about small government, and brag about military spending increases in the same conversation? Did it ever occur to him that big military means big government? Oh no! Military isn't part of the big bad government! It can't be! It's "CONSERVATIVE"!
Prof that the top 2% wants open boarders because they want to replace American Jobs. with "Cheaper Illegal Immigrants" and you better not say anything about it or you'll be a racist. welcome to the "New World Order" Fools....!
This is the most absurd excuse for integrity in reporting, and an hoinest research for comparisons. the accurate object was that it was silly, not untrue. sillinesss does not need to be true to be irrelevant. Waste of my time. I hope nobody is really stupid enough to fall for this nonsense.
Liberals: : W/thout question, U R the most evil, backward, Aristocratic Assholes on the Planet! Only you can take a country, with such a distinguished track-record of success, compassion and justice as the US; and dissect it into a negative global/historical force! You act like people aren’t, literally, killing themselves to cross our borders on a daily-basis! Your pre-conceived notion of a perfect, modern ‘World without America;’ exists no-where except the empty void between your ears!
Half the "issues" are not issues that would define a conservative (or liberal). The core of conservatism lies in placing the power into the hands of the rugged individuals who founded and flourished this country. What does a gay couple have to do with Gov't vs. the Individual ? It doesn't . That is the point. MISLEADING. What does meeting with a foreign dignitary have to do with the price of wheat in China? Nothing. Again misleading. LOOK AT THE STANCE ON HOW THE TWO VIEWED GOV"T. HA !
The difference is: Obama will change his speeches as the wind blows. His speeches mean nothing; they are designed for those Americans who choose to get their news in sound bytes like this, instead of doing their homework on a man who was ineligible for the presidency, but got there anyway. He never swore an oath of allegiance when he returned to the U.S. after Indonesian citizenship. Don't respond to me. Check it out for yourself. I can't do your homework for you.
In reality we all know very well that the real comparison should have been drawn between Barack Obama and Jimmy Carter. This is a horse race which is in a dead heat for Worst American President in the History of Presidents.
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This literally makes me sick to my stomach. How in the fucking world can you say that regan, a man who built up the private sector, broke the back of the soviet union, and left this country's economy as hot as it had ever been any where near as liberal as a man who wants to SPEND! SPEND! SPEND! build up the public sector so it can run America and who literally apologies for America being America. Fuck you and your insane leftist ideology.
The fact that these left wing drive-by media morons are even discussing this as if it were true is proof in an of itself how desperate and wrong the lefties are in this country. Not to mention how tight of a strangle hold the left has on the media as evidenced by the video. Obama is the most radical leftist to sit in the presidency in this countries past glorious history! The young Turd is an abject moron held up by the left solely because of affirmative action. Not talent or truth
Obama is a socialist. He told Joe the Plumber in 2008, that he wanted to spread the wealth around. watch?v=PUvwKVvp3-o He stated that the tragedies of the civil rights movement was that the Supreme Court didn’t bring about redistributive change. watch?v=Sj4yIE9Dd90
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He took over the automobile, mortgage, banking, and health care industries via legislation and regulation. Govt is expected to own 70% up from 19% in 2008.
@Gracelandification uhhh huuhhh...and? Currently our gov gives about 75 billion every year to the biggest companies (it's called corporate welfare) and that's not including all the technology that's robbed from the publicly funded Pentagon and NASA. We ALREADY HAVE SOCIALISM, but it's only for the richest of the rich. Would it be so horrible if it went to the poor for once? Keep in mind that no other first-world nation has slums and poverty that even come close to ours.
@Gracelandification I'll give you Health care, but explain how the he took over the Automobile Industry, He did fund GM for $52B, but not Chrysler or Ford. How did he take over banking President Bush did TARP. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are publicly traded Corps. Fannie Mae has been around since 1938, Freddie Mac since the early 70's. So how did this President take over everything. If you mean he got some regulation passed that protects the economy and the consumer then I guess your right.
(Sigh) Stockman said that the GOP has enacted KEYNESIAN policy, which is why they've crippled our economy. In other words, he's saying that the GOP has fucked up by being TOO LIBERAL when it comes to spending. In other words, he's saying that the GOP should go back to supporting spending cuts (which they have to an extent), not that they should support the Obama model, which is wrong.
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@wnxsilence - very true; in the rest of the word "liberal" refers to an economic position; as in free markets, small gov. etc i.e. totally what the republicans are all about.
The stance which says "people before profit", 'care for the poor and elederly', 'allow people freedom to express themselves as they please if it dont hurt anybody' (not stressing over gay marriage etc) is a SOCIALIST stance.
Obama is not in any way a socialist - he's an elitist selfserving politician (like all of them).
There were only two "major" tax bills in the 80s. The first was the largest cut in 1981, an increase was passed in '82, but it simply canceled out some of the provisions of the original cut. The rest of the tax bills of the decade were revenue neutral, simply because the debate and controversy around the first bills was so intense. So it makes a good talking point to say Reagan raised taxes, but there is sustenance behind the claim. Effective tax rates still fell considerably by 1989.
Reduced the taxes on those in the highest brackets [over 3 M$/yr] from 70-28%; 1981-88.
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And shifted a –‘greater burden on the lower bracket tax payers’- by the end of his term, [Tax Reform Act of 1986], and resulted in higher rates than when he took office; coupled with reduction of the number of brackets, reduction of allowable deductions and increased taxes on fuel, telephones, air transportation, etc.
Maintained the 40+ % reduction for the wealthiest and raised rates in the lower brackets.
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Yet defenders of the –‘Reaganomics’- ... still only remember the tax cuts of 1981 – and continue to support working against their best personal financial interests, after that.
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1982, TEFRA, “largest peacetime increase in taxes in US history”, and 1986 [TRA86] raised them -'higher than when he entered office'- !
This would be the –‘only time in the history of the U.S. income tax’- ... that the top rate was reduced and the bottom rate increased simultaneously [1980’s].
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With all the –‘current rhetoric’- of reducing debt, taxes and spending .... !!
.. Should be more accurately [re-tagged] – the anti-Reaganomics movement !
Less taxes on the majority, less wasteful spending/preference [for wealthy/corporate donors] .... !
Reagan, Budget director David Stockman ... "None of us really understood what was going on with all these numbers and that supply-side economics –‘was always a Trojan Horse-' to bring down the top rate’-."
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Reenact the pre-Reagan tax rates, where –‘those who benefit the most’- from the common infrastructure pay a greater proportion for : courts, police, fire, highways/roads, schools, military, water supply, sewers, power grids, financial services, corporate and farm subsidies !
Deregulated industries and Wall St. – said they could “control themselves” ... leading to the S & L failures and –‘taxpayer bailout’- in 1990
– ignored and pandered to the monopolies.
Negotiated FTA, NAFTA, GATT, WTO -‘destruction of middle class/labor/unions’-, exportation of whole industries/jobs - and eg-greed-iously helped increased the wealth for 5-10 % !
I don't want to insult anyone, but a lot of Americans have no idea what socialist and communist means, they just start freaking out when they hear those terms.
Holy crap can Frank Donatelli stop with the damn red herrings? He's almost sounding like Sarah Palin with his canned responses largely unrelated to the question.
Cenk. I get your point, yes. Obama is now fairly conservative. But the truth i think is; that most of america is quite republican in their views. So for obama to push liberal views is just obtrusive. He tries but there is only so much he could do.
I was thinking, may be you should stop bashing obama too much. I mean, think about the perspective he has to deal with. He can do watever he wants; bring a chance. But next elections; everything will be reversed again. Make a Video on it.
@91prashanth What does liberal mean to you? Define it please. As for you thinking america has mostly republican views is just straight up false. I dunno who told you that, but thats bullshit. He cant do whatever he wants, hes the president not god. Next election it will go back to republicans having no control of anything. All america needed to do was get these mugs in and they are already fucking them over as predicted. Republicans thinks this is a game, they care about nothing else but winning
@splicedenergy I totally see where you are coming from. My Liberalist in most views; complete to the left wing. You cant compare this to american political parties. If you note, American democrats are Canada's conservatives. So yea, the perspective varies. But you are right; the republicans are playing the game to win.
Quite honestly, Compared to europeans,americans do to tend to be more conservative (in no.). the states i most appreciate are newyork, california (may be), ohio and such.
@91prashanth The uk is considered a socialist government when they're capitalist. The media is a circus side show. There is no compassion, no civility. People who identify as christians have been turned into savages and they don't honestly know why. Religion has too much clout in this country. And the politicians use it as a bargaining tool. When all else fails to be controversial they invent a controversial scenario. Everyone in america has gone apeshit. We are out of control.
@splicedenergy Yep. Either a whole new revolution or fall of the civilization. But i dont know if its going to happen; as many americans i believe are pretty gullable. lol.
I just cant believe though. Everytime I just cross the border; I can clearly see a class difference. It is quite evident that the ruling class rules the country; like the conflict theory by karl marx.
I think Dylan has a crush on Obama.The fact of the matter is politics changes year after year. And its affected by the public opinions & knowledge.Both your republicans & democrats do good things.But you DONT write Reagan off because he did awesome things. He is a legend whether you want to believe it or not. Obamas legacy is yet to be defined.And it has to be defined without blaming all the not so pretty stuff on Bush.So the openly gay couple comment-let me be you-what ?! you dont like gays?!!
Republicans are always whining, gosh a president that has been out of the office for what 30 or some years and yet people still defend him like he is a prophet. I tell you ever since Reagan ended conservatism, and he polarized our partisan politics. I mean look at Nixon he dealt with people and countries as on would have to, screw preconditions he met with China which proved quite useful.
It wasn't Reagan's amnesty that opened the flood gates for illegal immigration it was his union busting and deregulation. When a third of the country was unionized you couldn't come here and illegally and work.
@Ak47nutcase look at ur username, you are someone who prides himself for having guns and being crazy with them. Nobody here sounds more like a terrorist and extremist than you.
Liberals and socialists were always much better than Hitler and it's youth party, because hating darker people than you and feeling yourself much superior is not politically correct. now isnt it?
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@totyny1 and look at you judging by a name, kinda like judging a book by its cover! and whos the hater? and whos saying they hate "darker" people maybe my name means im of Saudi descent and i like ak's maybe im nigerian, or maybe I am an American that likes silly names. and a lil history lesson for you Hitler was a socialist dumbass!
@Ak47nutcase You compare Nazis and modern socialists? What are you? 12 years old? Your parents are wrong by the way: dark skinned people is real people too and believe it or not, they are humans too. You jerked off way too much from FOX NEW (which by the way, it's not news, it's entertainment and political propaganda) I bet you are one of those who dreams on shooting Obama, just like most brainwashed zombies like your....kind. Beyond gross...I say the real terrorists are people just like you.
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@totyny1 there you go again "dark skin people: your the only one judging people of color of skin! and im afraid im alot older then 12 there buddy. And I have traveled the world, served my country and worked for the government. and actually you were the one who compared socialist parties and i had to correct you! SO get an education, travel out of your bubble, and use your mind to think ! i dont know if your just uneducated, have a handicap or just smoke to much pot but get real!
Serving your country doesnt mean you are better, it means you had no other choice cause u were poor and lived in the suburbs. And work for the goverment, what for GWB? You are classic right winger, just personal attacks, leave the facts in the side. Rightwinger, nazi, gun psycho, corporate whores, teaparty, pro incest, slavery supporter, white supremacist or whatever is linked to your fabulous family tree line, those are the only people who hate TYT.
@totyny1 Yet again your your ranting only proves me right.. wake up out of your fanasty! I state reality as you rant about nonsense! and if i make no sense to you, you got to be way out there in outer space. so maybe i was wrong maybe your not only on pot maybe things alot harder than pot.
Stop cutting people off...I find that very irritating.I don't agree with someone's point of view. Good. This is not a debate, this is supposed to be news. I want to hear every side clearly before deducing my own ideas, not have you force down information you agree with. So you don't agree with Frank Donatelli, well me neither. But not because you told me to but because I had to pause the video to read everything he said. But most people don't. Geez you're no different than TV news that way.
Reagan raised taxes. He levied a large tax increase on business in 1982, higher payroll taxes enacted in 1983 and higher energy taxes in 1984. A decade later, when a serious recession and higher spending began to upend the fiscal outlook again, the first President Bush similarly raised taxes on higher-income people in 1991.
@jensen1901 Find out the facts before you lie like the rest of your liberal friends. Yes the debt was higher when Reagan was in. Why? Military spending? Didn't he build a bunch of nuclear arms? That in time stopped the cold war. Find out truths before you listen to lies.
Here's 1 look up 7 lies Obama said in 2 minutes. Truth and lies my friend.
What you've given is your opinion. What I left in my comment alone are verifiable facts. Fuck off and learn how to use Google before you ever speak to me again.
completely retarded. why do libs hate being called libs and try to convince us they're really conservative? i hope this dutch bag (yes, i said dutch) gets to feltch Barrys wife for this wonderful piece of journalism, i mean ass kissing, clownathon, fluff, bs.
This is the stupidest video I have ever seen and distorts facts and and shows a complete misunderstanding of Conservative principles, especially regarding war efforts. The comparisons are not equal or even and do not make any sense to a logical minded individual who knows and understands history. In other words this video is crap, but why would we expect anything other than this from MSNBC and the Young Turks?
WOW thats all i can say, yes lets compare Reagans amazing presidential record, to obamas well he hasnt done anything. This is sad. The man stated some facts, but mostly hiding the truth that lies within. This is an epic fail of the liberals big time. Hugely. Iran contra - yes im pretty sure any logical human would trade weapons for someones life.... Utterly stupid. Liberals... You have got to be smarter than this.
Look at how many years Reagan was in office and look at how many years Obama has been office.
Obama has been in office for less than 2 years and Reagan was in office for 8 years? So I will agree and say that Obama doesn't have an amazing Presidential record but again, he doesn't have much of a Presidential record to begin with. Wait until 2012 to see how the economy is and then you can judge.
@AjDeal825 Unlike you, I lived through Reagan, He was a great actor, but one of the worst Presidents of all-time. I had the misfortune of starting my military career under him. I'll never be that stupid again! Send me overseas 3 times to fight in wars for no reason, while they sit safely at home hijacking the American dream and laughing all the way to the bank, while they are cutting backroom deals with our enemies like the Iranians. Ronald Reagan's corpse can kiss my ass.
The definitions of "liberal" and "conservative" are constantly in flux in American public discourse, and this is because the definitions of the terms are not important-- what's important are the emotions the words invoke in the minds of ignorant, voting Americans.
@modustheoperandi Only in their popular meaning. In political science, they aren't: conservative is a reaction to other movement that want to bring some change. They are the old guy who say "not so fast". Progressive is also attach to change and ask for reform, one step at the time. These are in the middle ground: the extreme being revolutionary (trow everything under the bus and restart) and reactionary (prefer a previous state).
For the rest: they are both under liberal ideologies.
Only in Cenk's mind is this a "center-left" country. It is inherently center-right, as the Constitution itself is a conservative document. If liberalist/progressivism is for collective responsibility and the Constitution is a document (specifically the Bill of Rights) that protects INDIVIDUAL rights, how can we be a center-left/collectivist nation? We can't, since we're not. Our founding documents state as much, which is why certain portions of it are consistently assailed. (Read: 2nd Amend.)
@spitfire71068 You are an idiot. the right in America tends to oppose personal liberties- from gay marriage,to rights of the accused, to building mosques, they tend to oppose personal freedoms. The only liberties that they support are those of the free market. If you look in the Constitution, there is nothing guaranteeing that at all. In fact, the constitution gives the feds the right to regulate commerce. Its quite liberal, a term invented by John Locke to describe our type of government.
@imadizzy1 Gay marriage is a "right"? In the Constitution? That's news. As for building mosques (and I assume you mean the one near the WTC), no one disputes their legal right, but it is a crass provocation for them to do so. As for "opposing personal freedoms", feel free to provide an example. As for the the "right to regulate commerce", you might want to take a look at the commerce clause, as well as the takings clause. Get back to me with your research. Thanks a bunch!
@spitfire71068 I did. The commerce clause says that the government has the right to regulate trade across state lines. It was a result of some states refusing to trade with each other over disputes. They solved this by giving the power to regulate commerce between states to the federal government. Also, yes, gay marriage is a right. Read the 9th amendment- All rights not restricted by the constitution shall be enjoyed by the people. Again and again, the right is against civil liberties.
@imadizzy1 Care to comment on the Takings Clause? Or did you deliberately omit that one out? And that's a VERY generous interpretation of the 9th Amendment, btw. Per Lawrence Tribe, "The ninth amendment is not a source of rights as such; it is simply a rule about how to read the Constitution." That's from a liberal legal scholar, and a professor of constitutional law @ Harvard.
@spitfire71068 its irrelevant to whether the government has the right to regulate business. All it states is that the government must give just compensation if they wish to use somebody's land. It protects property rights, but in no way implies that they can't regulate commerce. Also, the commerce clause says they can.
In the end, conservative vs. liberal constitutionalism is based on how to interpret the constitution. However, Republicans are anti-constitution. ask the ACLU.
@spitfire71068 and as an aside, to clarify my last message, judicial conservatives are often pro constitution, republican politicans in the other two branches are not. See Hamdi v. Rumsfeld for proof of both sides of this.
Regan's only mistake was amnesty. If he saw where it is now, he would change that. Obama conservative???Really? You really wanna make that point? You sir are a complete idiot!!
@Dustyluvluv REally? Reagan's only mistake he might change? What about arming and training Osama Bin Laden,and arming Saddam Hussein and ensuring he maintained power over the middle east? You think he might think that one over again?
I agree that the guy in the clip is dumb, but you are being just as selective with your memory of the gipper.
@PoptartPoole I hope you're being sarcastic but if not then please keep your guns, and deliver yourelf a bullet in your hollow skull while your at it, you ignorant inbred redneck Americans are a disgrace to humanity.
@wnxsilence well, i remember a time where a country was communist and fell back in the 90's or 80's when Reagan single hand-idly destroyed it with his genius foreign policy . please remind me what that country that is?
@wnxsilence No doubt. It's so embarrassing. If Americans knew just a fraction of what I know just from digesting 3 hours of it a day, very few Republicans would be winning races. Very few.
We now have anonymous foreign money, in the millions, going through the Chamber of Commerce for attack ads against Democrats. The Chamber won't say where specifically those funds come from.
And while the Tea Party is yelling "Muslim," the right-wing corporate elite is invading the electoral process.
Hmmm it seems like Cenk is in a bind here. Now both the liberal and conservative guests think it's silly to say Obama is conservative. But wait! even though David Weigel says, it may seem that Obama is more conservative on a couple SELECT ISSUES, Cenk brings up those same select issues!! Was Cenk listening? seems like he wasn't. And Reagan did not "utterly fail" at making gov't smaller, because he did. Cenk, I seriously don't know where you get your crazy ideas >:P
@Kazuobot Reagan expanded the military, raised taxes and deficit spent more than any president ever before him. What are you talking about when you say he made government smaller? He cut programs for poor people? Those programs are a drop in the bucket of the budget.
And then, whenever Donatelli is saying something, Cenk just dimisses it!! all he says is "right, right". When Donatelli says, "He [Obama] hasn't created any jobs, 10% unemployment." Cenk responds by saying, "Right." and then moves on to saying Reagan won the Cold War single handedly without anyone else, which Donatelli responds by saying Reagan had help from both parties. then, again, Cenk dismisses him and says, "let me go to David". Wtf is up with cenk?!?!
Cenk has no idea what the hell he's talking about! Comparing Obama to Reagan?! are you kidding me? seriously, Cenk, this is bull. and his stupid smirk on his face the whole time he's talking to Donatelli. He is also putting words into Donatelli's mouth. Donatelli says Reagan won the Cold War, which obviously means the Cold War was won under his presidency, but then Cenk just says, "Reagan single-handedly won the Cold War". and on top of that, Cenk is LAUGHING at him while he's talking!
It's ironic that people mistake classical liberalism for conservatism.
MrGilles1990 2 days ago
I Love This, Young Turks, Cenk Uygur -- Why Do The Self-Righteous, SMUG, Conservatives Feel That Holding Conservatives Accountable is a CRIMINAL ACT! GIVE It To 'Em Now Because There's So Much More Truth To Be TOAD!(sp) Snicker Snick Snick, Snickt!
BREGGREN 2 weeks ago
omg, this guys such an idiot.... no one in their right mind thinks Regan's less concervative than Obama... come on now....
PcWrestler2012 1 month ago
How could Siena come out with a ranking when, at the time, Obama was only in office for a little more than a year?
baasseballl 1 month ago
Cenk is awesome.
LangeTheThird 1 month ago
Obama is not conservative. He is liberal, the exact opposite of conservative. For msnbc to even discuss this topic is absurd. Now Reagan is a conservative. msnbc is basically questioning the difference between night and day. If anybody here watches msnbc, i highly consider you find another channel to watch.
baynard71 2 months ago
This is not a video comparing to presidents this is all about how the Left can distort to try and make the Obama better than he is. Sadly very transparent.
dharrisebay 2 months ago
@dharrisebay Did you actually listen to the facts in this video? Obama has supported conservative issues. That's just a fact. Don't you know what issues conservatives support?
Besides, Obama supporting conservative issues doesn't exactly make him look better in the eyes of liberals.
On which planet are you on?
DemonicaChica 1 month ago
@dharrisebay No, you missed the point of the video and the segment by a mile. The point that was made in the segment by Cenk Uygur is that Obama needs to be MORE to the left because he's not progressive enough for a big portion of the country, hence his low approval ratings. He has lost a lot of support among many of the voters who helped vote him into office... and that includes progressives, minorities and younger voters, all who helped his election. Watch the video again.
LibertyInProgressNOW 1 month ago
god hates america^^
32Anton 2 months ago
Learn to accept that the president doesn't have everything to do with the economy.
Edgehead10075 3 months ago
Yes. Name ONE thing Clinton did to make the economy better. If you say "raise taxes," I'll laugh in your face.
Edgehead10075 3 months ago
We went into a recession shortly after the dotcom bust. Is that a coincidence?
Edgehead10075 3 months ago
You're a little confused because you're contrasting "good economy" and "huge deficits." They're not the opposite. You can have both. The economy was good during most of Reagan's presidency, which is why he was re-elected so easily. Remember the "Are you better off now than you were four years ago?" question?
Also, Obama is a Democrat, and none of his ideas have gotten us out of the recession or eliminated the deficit spending.
Edgehead10075 3 months ago
G.H.W. Bush doesn't get credit simply because the Cold War ended on his watch.
Reagan actually DID SOMETHING to give us a good economy, which was cutting taxes. That caused an end to the Carter recession. You libs need to learn about the business cycle and stop giving credit to the president simply because the economy is good.
Edgehead10075 3 months ago
Wrong. First of all, you can't even explain what Clinton did to make the economy good, and that's because he did nothing. It was the dotcom boom that caused the good economy. Once the dotcom bubble burst in 2000, we went into a recession. So if having good luck makes you a great president, then Clinton by all means was a great president. Reagan's summits with Gorbachev, which included the weapons reduction treaty, led to the end of the Cold War.
Edgehead10075 3 months ago
When did I say that Clinton armed Iraq? Learn to read, dildo.
Reagan ended the Cold War, so obviously he did something right. At least the world doesn't have to worry about the Soviet Union anymore. The fact is that Reagan believed in balanced budgets in principle, and he balanced the budget as governor of California.
Edgehead10075 3 months ago
What a stupid question! There's nothing conservative about Obama. BTW, Reagan's big spending increases were in defense, not domestic spending.
Edgehead10075 3 months ago
Clinton had little to do with the economy; it was the dot com boom.
Reagan armed Iraq against Iran and helped Afghanistan against the U.S.S.R. Reagan added to the deficit in winning the Cold War. It was a fair tradeoff.
Edgehead10075 3 months ago
um...this question is stupid.
thebanez 4 months ago
@kilox10001
Cunton was a puppet too
I Miss JFK.
jmjfanss 5 months ago
Obama*2012
yadig2012 7 months ago
All of you need to watch the documentary "I Want Your Money". It's still on Netflix as i'm posting this. TYT is an uninformed idiot if he believes that Reagan "failed utterly" at making government smaller. He created 17 million jobs and introduced the biggest tax cuts in American History during his 8 years in office.
ixxXParadoXxxi 7 months ago
"Political center" and "fair and balanced" rhetoric has moved our spectrum off the fucking map to the right--no other first-world nation is even close.
tstruss912 7 months ago
"accountability" that is a word politicians love to use for other people's actions, the only problem is that they never implement it toward their own actions
boston312 8 months ago
A center left country? HAHA Please Cenk. From my vantage point America is hardly progressive.
burnthesystem11 8 months ago in playlist Cenk on MSNBC - The Dylan Ratigan Show
@burnthesystem11 How not so? Most of the civil liberties that have made it into this country in the last century...were because of progressives.
thedocumentarian 8 months ago
@thedocumentarian You do realise that Progressive is an OLD Nazi term don't you, I bet you did not know that. Progressives are what have made this country what it is TODAY, which is not very good.
usam1981 8 months ago
@usam1981 Did you get that from Glenn Beck? That's the only person who I know that has assimilated the Nazis with progressives. What about fascism? Fascism is essentially what the Nazis were all about and Fascists killed and tortured progressives. Progressives have been for democracy and individual rights...ummm...last time that I checked, Hitler convinced Germany that democracy and individual rights were garbage. Where do you get your facts from because they are obscure.
thedocumentarian 8 months ago
@thedocumentarian Progressives have never been for rights, they are about taking away rights. You really need to get your facts streight. Oh, and just because Glenn Beck said it, does not automatically make something correct, because I did not get that from Glenn Beck. If he did say it, I commend him for bringing it up. Any one who knows Progressive history knows that it is an Old Nazi term. Only Progressives believe otherwise.
usam1981 8 months ago
@thedocumentarian Concervatives are for rights of people, Progressives are against rights. Concervatives are for freedom of choice, Progressives are for forcing things, like the health care bill down people's throats, Concervatives are for gun rights, Progressives have tried to take guns away from people for decades, Concervatives are for religious rights, Progressives are only for rights if you are not a christian or jew, then they don't give a damn about you.
usam1981 8 months ago
@usam1981 You say that Progressives are not Nazis, then why did a group of Known Progressives recently march at an american Nazi Parade, holding up signs agreeing with them. Get off your high horse.
usam1981 8 months ago
@usam1981 Yeah, the cons are for the rights of people, as long as they are white, christian and conservative.
THe cons want big government out of our lives. Unless its the Patriot act, women's rights, gay rights, right to die and right to do what you need to do with your own body in any aspect.
Conservatives don't give a shit about freedom. They just want to justify their psychotic rage against liberals.
detoth67 8 months ago
@detoth67 You call us racist, but whose party has more KKK Members, it isn't the Concervatives, it's the Democrats. You are against the Patriot act, but you ignore that Obama continued it and made it stronger. Where are those rights listed in the Constitution, I can tell you no where. Liberals don't give a shit about freedom, they just want to justify their Love for Obama, and their hatred of anyone who disagrees with them.
usam1981 8 months ago
@usam1981 LMFAO! Are you serious? HAHAHAHHAA!!! More klan democrats? Read the klan platform page, it mirrors that of the GOP.
You don't give a crap about freedom. You only want to pervert and spin the constitution to fit your immoral agenda!
Conservatives are ANTI-freedom.
detoth67 8 months ago
@detoth67 I can name a dozen KKK members amoung the Democrats, while you can't name one amoung the Republicans, and I am talking about one who are well known KKK members, not just a blanket statement of your opinion of Republicans.
usam1981 7 months ago
@usam1981 A dozen current dem klan members? LMFAO!
Lets hear this. I can't wait to laugh at you!
detoth67 7 months ago
@detoth67 You would not know the other names without some reasearch, which I know you would never do, but I can list one you will recognise, Robert Byrd, third in line, behind Joe Biden, for the position of president, and Grand Cyclopse of his local KKK chapter.
usam1981 7 months ago
@usam1981 Try getting your head out of Glenn Beck's butt! Byrd is dead and was in the Klan when he was 15.
I said CURRENT democrats. And you said "dozens". You failed! Now go read the political platform of the KKK, 95% of it mirrors the GOP
Seriously, you sound like an idiot when you say democrats are klansmen!
detoth67 7 months ago
@detoth67 Why don't you go and actually read the Republican platform, then come back to me, after that, read the Democrat platform, you will find that you are wrong. Get off Obama's ass please, oh, and Byrd is not dead, he is very alive, and recently wrote a book about being in the KKK, so please, shut up.
usam1981 7 months ago
@detoth67 You forgot super rich, lol!
bradjbourgeois73 5 months ago
@usam1981 WHAT?! Name one conservative that advocated for equitable rights...not constitutional freedoms...there is a difference. Most of the rights even to American for equal protection under the law were done by PROGRESSIVES! Name ONE conservative that advocated for equal rights or rights, period, for the people.
"Concervatives are for religious rights"
Hahaha! What?! Conservatives have been for religious indoctrination of our US laws, not for "rights".
thedocumentarian 7 months ago
@thedocumentarian Easy Martin Luther King Jr, a known Concervative. We are for religious rights, and we have never tried to indroctinate anyone, while the Democrats have been indoctrinating kids against christianity, like taking the words under God from the pledge of allegance for instance. You make blanket statements about Republicans that have no basis on reality.
usam1981 7 months ago
@usam1981 WHAT?! So you're telling me that the progressives were the ones that were discriminating against black people during the 1960s and the conservatives and Martin Luther King were the ones trying to elminate it? HAHAHAHA! Have you looked at skin heads, former KKK members, white supremicists who don't want anyone who is non-white to live in this country?! Some of those want to become President and have labeled themselves "small government REPUBLICANS". YOU have no idea what reality is!
thedocumentarian 7 months ago
@thedocumentarian When I look at democrats, I see far more racism than anywhere else in america, both against blacks and whites. Also, RINOs are hardly real republicans, and we were talking about concervatives, Libertarians are included in that mix, and some old time Democrats. It was the Liberals who have put down people through the ages, by putting them into classes, and keeping them there. Get used to it. The Liberals are loosing because of the Race Card
usam1981 7 months ago
@usam1981 It seems that on some level that you forget that you live in a representative democracy. If a "progressive" instituted social democratic reforms to lets say health care then it would not be force as the government in power would have been voted in by the majority. Your argument seems to ignore this. Also your genetic fallacy about delineation of social concern along racial lines by liberals is absurd. Does Obama care afford special assistance to minorities? Go to school please.
burnthesystem11 2 months ago
@burnthesystem11 If we were a "Representative Democracy" As you call us, the government would have had us vote on the bill instead of shoving it down our throats. That is what a Democracy does. We are a republic by the way, which is not a representative Democracy by any means. Get that into your idiotic liberal Head, because there is a difference.
usam1981 2 months ago
@usam1981 The term representative democracy is distinct from whether a country is a Federal republic or a constitutional monarchy etc. The USA is a representative democracy as well as federal republic. You need to go to university lol. I agree perhaps a referendum would have been a good idea looking back. However, referendums are not legally binding as the government does not have to heed their out come plus they are expensive (government spending). They also undermined the political process.
burnthesystem11 2 months ago
How can Mr. Donatelli talk about small government, and brag about military spending increases in the same conversation? Did it ever occur to him that big military means big government? Oh no! Military isn't part of the big bad government! It can't be! It's "CONSERVATIVE"!
thewag777 8 months ago
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Anyone with even half a brain would realise that a war in Afghanistan is hardly one that can be won.
TurboDally 8 months ago
Prof that the top 2% wants open boarders because they want to replace American Jobs. with "Cheaper Illegal Immigrants" and you better not say anything about it or you'll be a racist. welcome to the "New World Order" Fools....!
METALMAN4Wii 8 months ago
This is the most absurd excuse for integrity in reporting, and an hoinest research for comparisons. the accurate object was that it was silly, not untrue. sillinesss does not need to be true to be irrelevant. Waste of my time. I hope nobody is really stupid enough to fall for this nonsense.
Col316Sing 8 months ago
To ask who is more conservative based on these questions show how much of a simpleton Cenk is. He truly is retarded.
toscodav 9 months ago
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Liberals: : W/thout question, U R the most evil, backward, Aristocratic Assholes on the Planet! Only you can take a country, with such a distinguished track-record of success, compassion and justice as the US; and dissect it into a negative global/historical force! You act like people aren’t, literally, killing themselves to cross our borders on a daily-basis! Your pre-conceived notion of a perfect, modern ‘World without America;’ exists no-where except the empty void between your ears!
mdstalla 9 months ago
Ron Paul 2012!
MrFunkymunk21 9 months ago
Hannity exaggerated Reagan's record on jobs, federal revenue
Mediamatters [dot] org/research/200801280001
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Ironically all the false claims HIS SYCHOPHANTS make
– WERE ACCOMPLISHED, BUT by Bill Clinton !!!!! not Saint Reagan !
blevr1234 10 months ago 5
Half the "issues" are not issues that would define a conservative (or liberal). The core of conservatism lies in placing the power into the hands of the rugged individuals who founded and flourished this country. What does a gay couple have to do with Gov't vs. the Individual ? It doesn't . That is the point. MISLEADING. What does meeting with a foreign dignitary have to do with the price of wheat in China? Nothing. Again misleading. LOOK AT THE STANCE ON HOW THE TWO VIEWED GOV"T. HA !
jraiv3 10 months ago
The difference is: Obama will change his speeches as the wind blows. His speeches mean nothing; they are designed for those Americans who choose to get their news in sound bytes like this, instead of doing their homework on a man who was ineligible for the presidency, but got there anyway. He never swore an oath of allegiance when he returned to the U.S. after Indonesian citizenship. Don't respond to me. Check it out for yourself. I can't do your homework for you.
GetItRight4aChange 11 months ago
@GetItRight4aChange Finally someone i can agree with n someone else who see it.
crazyboycid 10 months ago
"Reagan Won The Cold War! What Did Obama Win!? Obama Hasn't Won Anything!" He Sounds Like A Little Ass Kid Lol Thats A Damn Shame....
RetroTheSkywalker 11 months ago
In reality we all know very well that the real comparison should have been drawn between Barack Obama and Jimmy Carter. This is a horse race which is in a dead heat for Worst American President in the History of Presidents.
MrLoveHerAss 1 year ago
MSNBC LIES LIES LIES. CENK BIG TIME LIES
dewerbylhserf 1 year ago
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This literally makes me sick to my stomach. How in the fucking world can you say that regan, a man who built up the private sector, broke the back of the soviet union, and left this country's economy as hot as it had ever been any where near as liberal as a man who wants to SPEND! SPEND! SPEND! build up the public sector so it can run America and who literally apologies for America being America. Fuck you and your insane leftist ideology.
rockinandout 1 year ago
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The Magic Mooslim will have to show his real Birth Certificate this time around.
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mohamedtowelhead 1 year ago
The fact that these left wing drive-by media morons are even discussing this as if it were true is proof in an of itself how desperate and wrong the lefties are in this country. Not to mention how tight of a strangle hold the left has on the media as evidenced by the video. Obama is the most radical leftist to sit in the presidency in this countries past glorious history! The young Turd is an abject moron held up by the left solely because of affirmative action. Not talent or truth
IruleOverProgressive 1 year ago
Young Jurks
dewerbylhserf 1 year ago
Obama is a socialist. He told Joe the Plumber in 2008, that he wanted to spread the wealth around. watch?v=PUvwKVvp3-o He stated that the tragedies of the civil rights movement was that the Supreme Court didn’t bring about redistributive change. watch?v=Sj4yIE9Dd90
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He took over the automobile, mortgage, banking, and health care industries via legislation and regulation. Govt is expected to own 70% up from 19% in 2008.
Gracelandification 1 year ago
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tstruss912 1 year ago
@Gracelandification uhhh huuhhh...and? Currently our gov gives about 75 billion every year to the biggest companies (it's called corporate welfare) and that's not including all the technology that's robbed from the publicly funded Pentagon and NASA. We ALREADY HAVE SOCIALISM, but it's only for the richest of the rich. Would it be so horrible if it went to the poor for once? Keep in mind that no other first-world nation has slums and poverty that even come close to ours.
tstruss912 1 year ago 6
@Gracelandification I'll give you Health care, but explain how the he took over the Automobile Industry, He did fund GM for $52B, but not Chrysler or Ford. How did he take over banking President Bush did TARP. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are publicly traded Corps. Fannie Mae has been around since 1938, Freddie Mac since the early 70's. So how did this President take over everything. If you mean he got some regulation passed that protects the economy and the consumer then I guess your right.
jrwilson98 1 year ago
You're a complete and total stupid idiot if you claim that Reagan is less conservative than Obama!
J.J.S.
JSenator06 1 year ago
You've got to be kidding! Reagan was the consumate conservative. Obama is a socialist, liberal commie pinko.
rtbwood 1 year ago
Obama sucks.
flickyoli 1 year ago
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Barack Mohamed Obama is an Affirmative Action Mooslum Marxist, who was elected by the HOMO-MEDIA.
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Obama HATES AmeriKKKa.
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Obama HATES AmeriKKKans.
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Obama HATES YOU.
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Amen.
mohamedtowelhead 1 year ago
@mohamedtowelhead ....and he's gonna get elected again. What does that say?
19770326 1 year ago
@19770326 That people are idiots.
usam1981 8 months ago
Wow. Much improved from previous shows. I like the new set, and I like the opposing opinions.
DSXmachine 1 year ago
I like Obama's name backward. Amabo sounds better.
leafyutube 1 year ago
Obama vs Reagan, who's more conservative?
This is a joke, right?
KevServo 1 year ago
What has Obama done or not done, that McCain wouldn't have done, or not done?
geezzerboy 1 year ago
Cenk...how did you tolerate those dipshits. Can this country get back to honest debating or does every debate have to turn into a girlscout meeting?
tstruss912 1 year ago
LOl.. That Reagan guy is a Typical GOP HACK HYPOCRITE.. Lol
SweetlouID 1 year ago 3
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Last three presidents summary.
Clinton-Moron.
Bush-Moron.
Obama-Moron.
Clinton passed the dumbest legislation this country has ever seen.
Bush passed one of the most liberal pieces of legislation with the USAPatriot Act.
Obama doesn't know what the fuck he's doing by continuing tax cuts and passing the most worthless health care reform bill EVER.
Ilovesaxthrice 1 year ago
Am I the only one who thinks the guy "upstairs" looked/sounded scared?
Supremed9 1 year ago
-‘Reagan Insiders ..’-
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“GOP Policies Have Crippled Our Economy"
2010 by David Stockman [Reagan's Budget Director]
thenation com/blog/108027/reagans-budget¬-director-gop-policies-have-cr¬ippled-our-economy
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hackit12 1 year ago 11
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“How the Economy was Lost”
By Paul Craig Roberts 2009 [Reagan’s Assistant Secretary of the Treasury]
counterpunch org/roberts02242009.html
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“A Taxing Experience”
by Bruce Bartlett [Former Reagan adviser]
old.nationalreview com/nrof_bartlett/bartlett2003¬10290853.asp
hackit12 1 year ago 3
(Sigh) Stockman said that the GOP has enacted KEYNESIAN policy, which is why they've crippled our economy. In other words, he's saying that the GOP has fucked up by being TOO LIBERAL when it comes to spending. In other words, he's saying that the GOP should go back to supporting spending cuts (which they have to an extent), not that they should support the Obama model, which is wrong.
Edgehead10075 3 months ago
PEACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HipHopLatinoamerican 1 year ago
"Reagan is the one who freed presidential politics from the last vestiges of an obligation to make sense,
and quickly ushered in the era where presidents are nothing but products,
feel-good media creations
that cheerlead for the active governmental maintenance of superstitions
and traditional 'values'.
He is a saint to people who were desperate to find reasons
to feel good about being conservative."—Jon Tviete.
blevr1234 1 year ago 31
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@wnxsilence - very true; in the rest of the word "liberal" refers to an economic position; as in free markets, small gov. etc i.e. totally what the republicans are all about.
The stance which says "people before profit", 'care for the poor and elederly', 'allow people freedom to express themselves as they please if it dont hurt anybody' (not stressing over gay marriage etc) is a SOCIALIST stance.
Obama is not in any way a socialist - he's an elitist selfserving politician (like all of them).
SensiStarToaster 1 year ago
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lol. that turk guy doesnt know how to debate at all.
kcjk1991 1 year ago
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There were only two "major" tax bills in the 80s. The first was the largest cut in 1981, an increase was passed in '82, but it simply canceled out some of the provisions of the original cut. The rest of the tax bills of the decade were revenue neutral, simply because the debate and controversy around the first bills was so intense. So it makes a good talking point to say Reagan raised taxes, but there is sustenance behind the claim. Effective tax rates still fell considerably by 1989.
ConSAmerica 1 year ago
ConSAmerica –‘"major" tax bills in the 80s ...’-
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Reduced the taxes on those in the highest brackets [over 3 M$/yr] from 70-28%; 1981-88.
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And shifted a –‘greater burden on the lower bracket tax payers’- by the end of his term, [Tax Reform Act of 1986], and resulted in higher rates than when he took office; coupled with reduction of the number of brackets, reduction of allowable deductions and increased taxes on fuel, telephones, air transportation, etc.
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blevr1234 1 year ago 18
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Maintained the 40+ % reduction for the wealthiest and raised rates in the lower brackets.
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Yet defenders of the –‘Reaganomics’- ... still only remember the tax cuts of 1981 – and continue to support working against their best personal financial interests, after that.
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1982, TEFRA, “largest peacetime increase in taxes in US history”, and 1986 [TRA86] raised them -'higher than when he entered office'- !
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blevr1234 1 year ago
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This would be the –‘only time in the history of the U.S. income tax’- ... that the top rate was reduced and the bottom rate increased simultaneously [1980’s].
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With all the –‘current rhetoric’- of reducing debt, taxes and spending .... !!
.. Should be more accurately [re-tagged] – the anti-Reaganomics movement !
Less taxes on the majority, less wasteful spending/preference [for wealthy/corporate donors] .... !
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blevr1234 1 year ago 3
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Reagan, Budget director David Stockman ... "None of us really understood what was going on with all these numbers and that supply-side economics –‘was always a Trojan Horse-' to bring down the top rate’-."
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Reenact the pre-Reagan tax rates, where –‘those who benefit the most’- from the common infrastructure pay a greater proportion for : courts, police, fire, highways/roads, schools, military, water supply, sewers, power grids, financial services, corporate and farm subsidies !
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blevr1234 1 year ago 5
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Reagan admin. - Reality check :
Cut taxes 30%, then raised it 11 times in the lower tax brackets; but continued the tax breaks for those over 3M$/yr. – 1981-89 [70-28%] -40+ %.
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blevr1234 1 year ago 6
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Quadrupled the Debt, Expanded govt.,
Deregulated industries and Wall St. – said they could “control themselves” ... leading to the S & L failures and –‘taxpayer bailout’- in 1990
– ignored and pandered to the monopolies.
Negotiated FTA, NAFTA, GATT, WTO -‘destruction of middle class/labor/unions’-, exportation of whole industries/jobs - and eg-greed-iously helped increased the wealth for 5-10 % !
blevr1234 1 year ago
I don't want to insult anyone, but a lot of Americans have no idea what socialist and communist means, they just start freaking out when they hear those terms.
annybg 1 year ago 8
Holy crap can Frank Donatelli stop with the damn red herrings? He's almost sounding like Sarah Palin with his canned responses largely unrelated to the question.
Xaphnir 1 year ago
Cenk. I get your point, yes. Obama is now fairly conservative. But the truth i think is; that most of america is quite republican in their views. So for obama to push liberal views is just obtrusive. He tries but there is only so much he could do.
I was thinking, may be you should stop bashing obama too much. I mean, think about the perspective he has to deal with. He can do watever he wants; bring a chance. But next elections; everything will be reversed again. Make a Video on it.
91prashanth 1 year ago
@91prashanth What does liberal mean to you? Define it please. As for you thinking america has mostly republican views is just straight up false. I dunno who told you that, but thats bullshit. He cant do whatever he wants, hes the president not god. Next election it will go back to republicans having no control of anything. All america needed to do was get these mugs in and they are already fucking them over as predicted. Republicans thinks this is a game, they care about nothing else but winning
splicedenergy 1 year ago
@splicedenergy I totally see where you are coming from. My Liberalist in most views; complete to the left wing. You cant compare this to american political parties. If you note, American democrats are Canada's conservatives. So yea, the perspective varies. But you are right; the republicans are playing the game to win.
Quite honestly, Compared to europeans,americans do to tend to be more conservative (in no.). the states i most appreciate are newyork, california (may be), ohio and such.
91prashanth 1 year ago
@91prashanth The uk is considered a socialist government when they're capitalist. The media is a circus side show. There is no compassion, no civility. People who identify as christians have been turned into savages and they don't honestly know why. Religion has too much clout in this country. And the politicians use it as a bargaining tool. When all else fails to be controversial they invent a controversial scenario. Everyone in america has gone apeshit. We are out of control.
splicedenergy 1 year ago
@splicedenergy Yep. Either a whole new revolution or fall of the civilization. But i dont know if its going to happen; as many americans i believe are pretty gullable. lol.
I just cant believe though. Everytime I just cross the border; I can clearly see a class difference. It is quite evident that the ruling class rules the country; like the conflict theory by karl marx.
91prashanth 1 year ago
@91prashanth Watch out now. Here they come. Mentioning Marx is worse than inciting the devil, osama bin laden or hitler.
splicedenergy 1 year ago
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ok, fuck your mother.
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nediamnori3000 1 year ago
I think Dylan has a crush on Obama.The fact of the matter is politics changes year after year. And its affected by the public opinions & knowledge.Both your republicans & democrats do good things.But you DONT write Reagan off because he did awesome things. He is a legend whether you want to believe it or not. Obamas legacy is yet to be defined.And it has to be defined without blaming all the not so pretty stuff on Bush.So the openly gay couple comment-let me be you-what ?! you dont like gays?!!
nediamnori3000 1 year ago
Republicans are always whining, gosh a president that has been out of the office for what 30 or some years and yet people still defend him like he is a prophet. I tell you ever since Reagan ended conservatism, and he polarized our partisan politics. I mean look at Nixon he dealt with people and countries as on would have to, screw preconditions he met with China which proved quite useful.
AdmiralPrussia 1 year ago
It wasn't Reagan's amnesty that opened the flood gates for illegal immigration it was his union busting and deregulation. When a third of the country was unionized you couldn't come here and illegally and work.
freakyfatdog 1 year ago 5
Reagan was a corporatist neocon. Obama is a corporatist centrist.
freakyfatdog 1 year ago
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who puts the Young Turks on? does anyone ever take them seriously? or do just the liberals, socialist, and terrorists watch this SHIT!
Ak47nutcase 1 year ago
@Ak47nutcase look at ur username, you are someone who prides himself for having guns and being crazy with them. Nobody here sounds more like a terrorist and extremist than you.
Liberals and socialists were always much better than Hitler and it's youth party, because hating darker people than you and feeling yourself much superior is not politically correct. now isnt it?
totyny1 1 year ago 3
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@totyny1 and look at you judging by a name, kinda like judging a book by its cover! and whos the hater? and whos saying they hate "darker" people maybe my name means im of Saudi descent and i like ak's maybe im nigerian, or maybe I am an American that likes silly names. and a lil history lesson for you Hitler was a socialist dumbass!
Ak47nutcase 1 year ago
@Ak47nutcase You compare Nazis and modern socialists? What are you? 12 years old? Your parents are wrong by the way: dark skinned people is real people too and believe it or not, they are humans too. You jerked off way too much from FOX NEW (which by the way, it's not news, it's entertainment and political propaganda) I bet you are one of those who dreams on shooting Obama, just like most brainwashed zombies like your....kind. Beyond gross...I say the real terrorists are people just like you.
totyny1 1 year ago 4
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@totyny1 there you go again "dark skin people: your the only one judging people of color of skin! and im afraid im alot older then 12 there buddy. And I have traveled the world, served my country and worked for the government. and actually you were the one who compared socialist parties and i had to correct you! SO get an education, travel out of your bubble, and use your mind to think ! i dont know if your just uneducated, have a handicap or just smoke to much pot but get real!
Ak47nutcase 1 year ago
@Ak47nutcase You make no sense whatsoever.
Serving your country doesnt mean you are better, it means you had no other choice cause u were poor and lived in the suburbs. And work for the goverment, what for GWB? You are classic right winger, just personal attacks, leave the facts in the side. Rightwinger, nazi, gun psycho, corporate whores, teaparty, pro incest, slavery supporter, white supremacist or whatever is linked to your fabulous family tree line, those are the only people who hate TYT.
totyny1 1 year ago 8
@totyny1 Yet again your your ranting only proves me right.. wake up out of your fanasty! I state reality as you rant about nonsense! and if i make no sense to you, you got to be way out there in outer space. so maybe i was wrong maybe your not only on pot maybe things alot harder than pot.
Ak47nutcase 1 year ago
Stop cutting people off...I find that very irritating.I don't agree with someone's point of view. Good. This is not a debate, this is supposed to be news. I want to hear every side clearly before deducing my own ideas, not have you force down information you agree with. So you don't agree with Frank Donatelli, well me neither. But not because you told me to but because I had to pause the video to read everything he said. But most people don't. Geez you're no different than TV news that way.
KawaiiGamergrl 1 year ago
Obama wouldnt resemble a pimple on Ronald Reagans ass!!!!
232009jordan 1 year ago
@232009jordan I would sure hope our president doesn;t look like a pimple on an ass
Masteruny 1 year ago
this video only made obama look good since he is black
filo900 1 year ago
@filo900 you're a moron, go and kill yourself.
DerrenBrown100 1 year ago
@DerrenBrown100 fuck politics and your mom
filo900 1 year ago
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PeteBacca 1 year ago
Reagan raised taxes. He levied a large tax increase on business in 1982, higher payroll taxes enacted in 1983 and higher energy taxes in 1984. A decade later, when a serious recession and higher spending began to upend the fiscal outlook again, the first President Bush similarly raised taxes on higher-income people in 1991.
Both Bush and Reagan left record debts.
jensen1901 1 year ago
@jensen1901 Find out the facts before you lie like the rest of your liberal friends. Yes the debt was higher when Reagan was in. Why? Military spending? Didn't he build a bunch of nuclear arms? That in time stopped the cold war. Find out truths before you listen to lies.
Here's 1 look up 7 lies Obama said in 2 minutes. Truth and lies my friend.
0ly1 1 year ago
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What you've given is your opinion. What I left in my comment alone are verifiable facts. Fuck off and learn how to use Google before you ever speak to me again.
jensen1901 1 year ago
Reagan won the Cold war...Man, US-Americans are so stupid...
AustrianAtheist 1 year ago
completely retarded. why do libs hate being called libs and try to convince us they're really conservative? i hope this dutch bag (yes, i said dutch) gets to feltch Barrys wife for this wonderful piece of journalism, i mean ass kissing, clownathon, fluff, bs.
rtz1516 1 year ago
This is the stupidest video I have ever seen and distorts facts and and shows a complete misunderstanding of Conservative principles, especially regarding war efforts. The comparisons are not equal or even and do not make any sense to a logical minded individual who knows and understands history. In other words this video is crap, but why would we expect anything other than this from MSNBC and the Young Turks?
caesarmoridon 1 year ago
WOW thats all i can say, yes lets compare Reagans amazing presidential record, to obamas well he hasnt done anything. This is sad. The man stated some facts, but mostly hiding the truth that lies within. This is an epic fail of the liberals big time. Hugely. Iran contra - yes im pretty sure any logical human would trade weapons for someones life.... Utterly stupid. Liberals... You have got to be smarter than this.
nintendude60 1 year ago
@nintendude60 You're an idiot.
Look at how many years Reagan was in office and look at how many years Obama has been office.
Obama has been in office for less than 2 years and Reagan was in office for 8 years? So I will agree and say that Obama doesn't have an amazing Presidential record but again, he doesn't have much of a Presidential record to begin with. Wait until 2012 to see how the economy is and then you can judge.
thedocumentarian 1 year ago
@AjDeal825 Unlike you, I lived through Reagan, He was a great actor, but one of the worst Presidents of all-time. I had the misfortune of starting my military career under him. I'll never be that stupid again! Send me overseas 3 times to fight in wars for no reason, while they sit safely at home hijacking the American dream and laughing all the way to the bank, while they are cutting backroom deals with our enemies like the Iranians. Ronald Reagan's corpse can kiss my ass.
PalemoonSun 1 year ago
lol funny to see both guests beeing full of shit and the host calling them out on it.
im afraid noone wants to be interviewed by Cenk soon.
Cenk better get a Prime time spot soon or hell get swept under the rug.
DownLowProductions 1 year ago
The definitions of "liberal" and "conservative" are constantly in flux in American public discourse, and this is because the definitions of the terms are not important-- what's important are the emotions the words invoke in the minds of ignorant, voting Americans.
modustheoperandi 1 year ago
@modustheoperandi Only in their popular meaning. In political science, they aren't: conservative is a reaction to other movement that want to bring some change. They are the old guy who say "not so fast". Progressive is also attach to change and ask for reform, one step at the time. These are in the middle ground: the extreme being revolutionary (trow everything under the bus and restart) and reactionary (prefer a previous state).
For the rest: they are both under liberal ideologies.
therrydicule 1 year ago
Is this Anti-American Joker for real? I guess this must be a joke. MSNBC ? Distortion and Barracks butt-hole smears on the lips are very apparent.
curt8789 1 year ago
Only in Cenk's mind is this a "center-left" country. It is inherently center-right, as the Constitution itself is a conservative document. If liberalist/progressivism is for collective responsibility and the Constitution is a document (specifically the Bill of Rights) that protects INDIVIDUAL rights, how can we be a center-left/collectivist nation? We can't, since we're not. Our founding documents state as much, which is why certain portions of it are consistently assailed. (Read: 2nd Amend.)
spitfire71068 1 year ago
@spitfire71068 You are an idiot. the right in America tends to oppose personal liberties- from gay marriage,to rights of the accused, to building mosques, they tend to oppose personal freedoms. The only liberties that they support are those of the free market. If you look in the Constitution, there is nothing guaranteeing that at all. In fact, the constitution gives the feds the right to regulate commerce. Its quite liberal, a term invented by John Locke to describe our type of government.
imadizzy1 1 year ago
@imadizzy1 Gay marriage is a "right"? In the Constitution? That's news. As for building mosques (and I assume you mean the one near the WTC), no one disputes their legal right, but it is a crass provocation for them to do so. As for "opposing personal freedoms", feel free to provide an example. As for the the "right to regulate commerce", you might want to take a look at the commerce clause, as well as the takings clause. Get back to me with your research. Thanks a bunch!
spitfire71068 1 year ago
@spitfire71068 I did. The commerce clause says that the government has the right to regulate trade across state lines. It was a result of some states refusing to trade with each other over disputes. They solved this by giving the power to regulate commerce between states to the federal government. Also, yes, gay marriage is a right. Read the 9th amendment- All rights not restricted by the constitution shall be enjoyed by the people. Again and again, the right is against civil liberties.
imadizzy1 1 year ago
@imadizzy1 Care to comment on the Takings Clause? Or did you deliberately omit that one out? And that's a VERY generous interpretation of the 9th Amendment, btw. Per Lawrence Tribe, "The ninth amendment is not a source of rights as such; it is simply a rule about how to read the Constitution." That's from a liberal legal scholar, and a professor of constitutional law @ Harvard.
spitfire71068 1 year ago
@spitfire71068 its irrelevant to whether the government has the right to regulate business. All it states is that the government must give just compensation if they wish to use somebody's land. It protects property rights, but in no way implies that they can't regulate commerce. Also, the commerce clause says they can.
In the end, conservative vs. liberal constitutionalism is based on how to interpret the constitution. However, Republicans are anti-constitution. ask the ACLU.
imadizzy1 1 year ago
@spitfire71068 and as an aside, to clarify my last message, judicial conservatives are often pro constitution, republican politicans in the other two branches are not. See Hamdi v. Rumsfeld for proof of both sides of this.
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spitfire71068 1 year ago
Obamas a liberal muslim, Reagan is an American idol
wellcoolbeans21 1 year ago
Crack is whack! Just say no to drugs!
Xcel396 1 year ago
psshh this is just liberal propaganda.
Wiifan4life 1 year ago
Regan's only mistake was amnesty. If he saw where it is now, he would change that. Obama conservative???Really? You really wanna make that point? You sir are a complete idiot!!
Dustyluvluv 1 year ago
@Dustyluvluv REally? Reagan's only mistake he might change? What about arming and training Osama Bin Laden,and arming Saddam Hussein and ensuring he maintained power over the middle east? You think he might think that one over again?
I agree that the guy in the clip is dumb, but you are being just as selective with your memory of the gipper.
imadizzy1 1 year ago
Reagan hands down, it's not debatable
35foxtrot 1 year ago
@35foxtrot But apparently it's debatable to claim Obama is a Communist, Socialist, Terrorist etc, and compare him to Stalin and Bin Laden.....
You Americans are ignorant, thats what's undebatable
wnxsilence 1 year ago 10
@wnxsilence well, that's because he is a Communist, Socialist, Terrorist piece of shit who wants to take away my guns. he can kiss my glock.
PoptartPoole 1 year ago
@PoptartPoole I hope you're being sarcastic but if not then please keep your guns, and deliver yourelf a bullet in your hollow skull while your at it, you ignorant inbred redneck Americans are a disgrace to humanity.
wnxsilence 1 year ago
@wnxsilence well, i remember a time where a country was communist and fell back in the 90's or 80's when Reagan single hand-idly destroyed it with his genius foreign policy . please remind me what that country that is?
PoptartPoole 1 year ago
@wnxsilence No doubt. It's so embarrassing. If Americans knew just a fraction of what I know just from digesting 3 hours of it a day, very few Republicans would be winning races. Very few.
We now have anonymous foreign money, in the millions, going through the Chamber of Commerce for attack ads against Democrats. The Chamber won't say where specifically those funds come from.
And while the Tea Party is yelling "Muslim," the right-wing corporate elite is invading the electoral process.
demmmmm1 1 year ago
@wnxsilence Couldn't agree with you more.
twntysevn27 1 year ago
Hmmm it seems like Cenk is in a bind here. Now both the liberal and conservative guests think it's silly to say Obama is conservative. But wait! even though David Weigel says, it may seem that Obama is more conservative on a couple SELECT ISSUES, Cenk brings up those same select issues!! Was Cenk listening? seems like he wasn't. And Reagan did not "utterly fail" at making gov't smaller, because he did. Cenk, I seriously don't know where you get your crazy ideas >:P
Kazuobot 1 year ago
@Kazuobot Reagan expanded the military, raised taxes and deficit spent more than any president ever before him. What are you talking about when you say he made government smaller? He cut programs for poor people? Those programs are a drop in the bucket of the budget.
imadizzy1 1 year ago
And then, whenever Donatelli is saying something, Cenk just dimisses it!! all he says is "right, right". When Donatelli says, "He [Obama] hasn't created any jobs, 10% unemployment." Cenk responds by saying, "Right." and then moves on to saying Reagan won the Cold War single handedly without anyone else, which Donatelli responds by saying Reagan had help from both parties. then, again, Cenk dismisses him and says, "let me go to David". Wtf is up with cenk?!?!
Kazuobot 1 year ago
Cenk has no idea what the hell he's talking about! Comparing Obama to Reagan?! are you kidding me? seriously, Cenk, this is bull. and his stupid smirk on his face the whole time he's talking to Donatelli. He is also putting words into Donatelli's mouth. Donatelli says Reagan won the Cold War, which obviously means the Cold War was won under his presidency, but then Cenk just says, "Reagan single-handedly won the Cold War". and on top of that, Cenk is LAUGHING at him while he's talking!
Kazuobot 1 year ago