LADE 707 TC-91 landing at CRD - 21/04/2006

[Slowflight4Eva]

Why do the slats retract during TR, then come back down?

[alufthansa]

Reverse thrust inflight ?! so unique !!

[Caipiroska243]

@istiiizzz I'm not sure I understand your comment.

[FrankIBC]

@istiiizzz -

Argentina is in the Southern Hemisphere. The seasons occur at opposite times than in the Northern Hemisphere. Autumn there is March-June. April would be like October in the Northern Hemisphere.

[setil77]

@istiiizzz think patagonia is south of the equator, the seasons are contrary

[tannagra]

@istiiizzz

Patagonia is in the Southern Hemisphere, hence a Patagonia Autumn is the Northern Hemisphere's spring.

[turk223]

@istiiizzz April is in the autumn season in the southern hemisphere...

[longlivethe80s]

@istiiizzz because it is in the southern hemisphere...

[KingkyPhase]

@istiiizzz Argentina is in the southern hemisphere. They have winter when we have summer and vice versa because of the way the Earth is tilted towards the sun. Therefore, in Argentina, Autumn is around March-May.

[JAwuku]

@istiiizzz Argentina is in the Southern hemisphere, so while we have Spring in the Northern Hemisphere, they have Autumn. they celebrate Christmas in Summer.

[FlugSimulatorXfan]

707 is died on most airlines!

But its one of the greatest planes worldwide!!!

[matthiashaenni]

GREAT to watch and hear :-)

[airbusa330livingston]

still good video

[airbusa330livingston]

but still use these aircraft?? O.o

[Caipiroska243]

@airbusa330livingston No, no longer used. Retired very shortly after this video.

[jegr27]

wow, pensé que ya no volaban con pax, (la verdad no se de que época es esta toma, pero se ve muy buena, me hace pensar que es moderna), extraño estas máquinas sexys en el cielo, que ya muy pocas quedan incluso como cargueros, me sentí como en los 80`s!, buen video!

[Caipiroska243]

@jegr27 Salvo un par en Irán, ya no quedan 707 volando pax y estás en lo cierto, incluso como cargueros quedan poquísimos. Este video fue filmado el 21/04/2006, un mes antes de que la FAA lo desprogramara.

[Utopiasutopicas]

SENSACIONAL!!!!!!!! Gracias. un museo volante.

[trent8002003]

Always wonder why both the DC8s and 707s used the JT3 fanjet and yet their thrust reversers and engine pods looked so different?

[joninordhus]

compare this to the 777!

[milepost53]

Look how tiny those engines are compared to the ones on a 767 or a airbus A320.

[dylanmoran123]

@milepost53 An airbus A320's engines are roughly the same size...

[prglg]

Well....as a Boeing pilot...I don't know...The 7o7 and the 727 are warriors!!! The only problem is the cost. A 737 can carry the same number of paxs as a 7o7 spending less money in fuel and maintenance. But, a classic plane, well maintained is a pleasure!!!

[milepost53]

I read the 707 first flew in 1958. I saw films of the B-39 and B-52 and they look somewhat like a 707 or DC8. Were either of those passenger jets base on the design of the long-range jet bombers that followed the B-29?

[Caipiroska243]

Extremely few. In the passenger variant, just Saha Air of Iran, though even they are struggling I understand. All told I believe there are around 40-50 707s still flying worldwide, either as freighters, military transports or the odd VIP. That number excludes derivatives such as KC-135s, E-3s and the like.

[dave4shmups]

What are the inlet doors for? Nice video!

[stappb]

those are called 'sucker doors'. they allow more airflow on takeoff and landing

[zeroturbulence]

I love the 707. Its like an old warhorse. Handsome, rugged, classic and performs beautifully. The chief test pilot actually performed a barrel roll in the prototype during a demonstration for potential customers back in the 60's. Try that with an airbus! lol

[Kommandant10]

I hate it, a piece of metal junk, an iron tomb which killed hundreds.

[roeslerswiss]

ZEROTURBLENCE.Excuse me! But I think that FLY-BY-WIRE ( in this case,the ailerons computer only a part of the system ) that uses Airbus.Doesn´t allow an inclination of more than 67 degrees flaps up, and up to 33 with flap extended in order to prevent exceed the flight envelope of the plane,in this case 2.5 G And allow the wings, remaining attached to the fuselage!Something much more intelligent and SAFE!Than doing a roll in a demonstration for potential customers with a prototype(was´54)

[Caipiroska243]

I don't know about "SAFE". Call me old-fashioned but I never think computers should have the last say on anything. Why? Because they were programmed by fallible humans. At the end of the day, Airbuses crash just like Boeings. If you want a 100% guarantee that an aircraft won't crash, simple, don't build it!

[roeslerswiss]

"above 100 feet" Any Airbus switches the FCS (flight control system,in that case "the fly-by -wire computer") from "NORMAL MODE" to "DIRECT MODE" this means that; from about the "DECISION HI" the airplane flies like the TC91 (with the stabilizer, rudder and aileron computer,NOT bypassing the pilots control inputs ) thus from this altitude up to touch down,On an A380 or a 707,"Pilots have the last say" !

...I DON´T HAVE ANY ANIMOSITY AGAINST BOEING BUT ...BEFORE "AIRBUSTING" READ THE MANUALS!!!

[raykrislianggi]

Those engines are so tinyyyyy!

[pettyofficer30]

Is it me or does every 707 land smoothly?

[transdrole]

The 707 was America's answer to the failed British Comet. It's tough, reliable and damn sexy!

[Caipiroska243]

You said it!

[gaygaybuttsex]

the 707 i think is one of the best planes that boeing ever produced the bst plane in my opinion is the 727

[j4cko56]

727 is Boeing lol

[gaygaybuttsex]

i know

[91Snyder]

the 727 737 and 707 are all the same fuselage

[roeslerswiss]

Only the upper side, the cockpit windows frames, doors, insulation panel, and according to the years the upholstery,main floor rails and seats. But the cargo bays are smaller in the 727 and 737 and obviously the main structure.

[91Snyder]

basically what i was saying was what you said idk why dumbasses -2 my comment the noses of the 737 727 and 707 look identical because they are. I work on KC 135R's in the iso docks in sioux city for the air guard and the front ends look identical to 737 and 727. obviously people dont know what i was talking about because they are know it alls about aircraft.....not. but you seemed to know roeslerswiss.

[roeslerswiss]

thanks for your answer! Understand and fully agree with what you say.

I do not pretend to correct anyone but add knowledge! As a pilot you must read the all the crafts manuals and among them is the technical. I dont remember right now the sizes of cargo bays 707,720, kc135(never flew)are basically the same size.The 727 a little lower in height and the 737 the smaller

[DBZTheLegend]

lol dont be stupid dude , its not THE BEST PLANE , look...

a good plane of boeing is the 737-800 or the 777 -_-

[91Snyder]

@ DBZTheLegend lol dude the 737 is the same basic fuselage as the 707 dumbass.

[rpescador]

este 707 será uno de los que volaba aerolineas en los 70, todavía los siguen usando ???????

[Caipiroska243]

No, el TC-91 fue pedido por Peron por su uso personal (como un Tango Uno), aunque se lo prometio a Aerolineas para justificar el gasto publico. La factura la termino pagando Aerolineas (lease: los contribuyentes), mientras Isabelita Peron se lo compro por US$1. La gran ironia es que el TC-91 termino volando carga en vez de presidentes, con muy pocas excepciones.

[rpescador]

@Caipiroska243 gracias por la data. Excelente video!

[buttplug396]

Whoa after watching the Vid 2 X # 3 Eng. was the only one that went In Reverse.. .....# 1 & 4  Reversers didn't work?

[frutilupi24]

Read the video info - it says only inboard engines' reversers are used because the engines are old and they had a pretty long runway.

[buttplug396]

Thanks for pointing that out , I did read the info column, was un -aware there was addittional information below.

[raykrislianggi]

Those are small but powerful engines...=)

[BlueWingsJet]

Nice Reverser Sound!!!! 5*

[garlex134]

The engines seem like there gonna stall any second.

[pavan151]

woah.. i thought they took 707s off the menu ages ago.. i guess they still have a few going around?

[Caipiroska243]

Nope, the Argentine Air Force curiously took this bird off the menu just 5 weeks later, and this was their last. So, since 2006, no 707s flying commercially anywhere outside the Islamic Republic of Iran.

[alyfuturepilot]

i would hope so, the 707 is from 1958 and went of of production in 1979, so its simply too old to fly now unless the REALLY maintain them :P

[orangie84]

LOL..

Actually some of the newer planes (and all types of vehicles) with production cut backs to save money cheaper material and rush they put on to speed production..

Some of the newer things are more dangerous than maintaining and reusing the more reliable older machines.. I would rather fly in an older proud well made machine than trust cheaply made rushed made planes of today.. In all between new and old planes It's like six of one half a dozen of the other in safety really..

[orangie84]

Also if you really think about it look how many newer planes have crashed lately in such a short amount of time compared to how long older planes flew and can still fly without much incident (1950's to over the year 2000) without crashes!!! WOW Can a new plane of today do that?

[captain150]

Yes a new plane can. Like I said, planes are safe-life designs. This has been true since the 50s at least.

Why does there seem to be more plane crashes today? Umm because there are WAY more planes flying today. Plane crashes are still unbelievably, incredibly rare by comparison to almost any other mode of transportation. Cars are deathtraps by comparison.

Don't look at the total number of crashes or deaths, look at the death *rate* per trip or per mile travelled. That's much more meaningful.

[alyfuturepilot]

but old planes like this tend to have a lot of hidden wear and tear, u can't see that the fuselage is at its weakest point there, but u know that it is, and it couldnt withstand the pressurisation for much longer. new planes are not rushed, they just have the technology now to assemble the aircraft extremely quickly. e.g. the 737, all the parts are ready, and they put them all together in a very short amount of time, that doesnt mean its not a well made plane

[captain150]

Planes are "safe-life" designs. The fuselage (and other parts) have a specific number of maximum cycles after which the part becomes far more likely to fail.

Though old planes may still be safe, there is certainly a limited number of flight-hours and cycles that a plane can endure. You're very wrong in saying modern planes are "cheaply" made. Planes use among the most advanced materials available. There is nothing about a modern fuselage or engine that is "cheap".

[roeslerswiss]

And why B-52, DC-3 - 6 some older C-130, etc. are still flying??? and not for grandma!!! for usaf , some cargo lines, fire fighting. And I know what cycles and flying hours means. also the difference of them...so don´t explain that issue!

[captain150]

They are still flying because such planes can still have useful life left in them.

Just because a plane is old doesn't make it worn out or dangerous. It's hours/cycles that age a plane, not years.

[roeslerswiss]

useful life left in them???,because replasing part on "c"check

Aircraft do not have soul and willing to remain airborne...you better more involve to the real world or aviation!

A good-hearted desire to you! I mean it !!!

[captain150]

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Airlines often retire an aircraft before reaching a certain D check (example; an airplane's 4th D check is coming up, so the airline retires the plane instead).

This doesn't mean the plane is damaged or dangerous, just that it doesn't make sense to continue maintaining it for commercial flight.

[roeslerswiss]

I misspelled! I meant that remain flying because parts and systems that reach their useful life are replaced in order to keep them "on service" every "C" and I would also say that some B-52 and KCs and some other like DC3 and 6, are far beyond these "certain D check"...

But now, I consider this conversation sterile,without contribution to a better understanding of aeronautical

So thank you ! and good by !

[captain150]

OK, I originally said that planes have a certain useful life. This has little to do with their C or D checks.

The fuselage itself should not be used indefinitely, it has a certain maximum life and should not be used after that. I'm not arguing that other parts of the plane can't be repaired. I'm also not arguing that the fuselage can't be repaired, only that it is inadvisable to continue using a fuselage with a large number of cycles on it.

[Sterlingjob]

Airline retire aircraft when they accumulate high cycles and airframe hours, you wouldnt scrap an aircraft at 40000 hours would you now?

[captain150]

@Sterlingjob

Have you read all my comments? I'm in full agreement with you, that's what I've been saying the whole time. It's hours/cycles that age an airplane, not "years".

[BulgarianInCanada]

the engines on the 707 look like tubes haha nice vid 5/5!

[EinkOLED]

Turbo compressors mounted above, often recognised as intakes above the nacelle took the reponsibility of compressing the air for bleed air purposes.

Not all four engines had these, out of the four I think 3 had turbo compressors.

The rated thrust wouldn't allow an engine compressor bleed air source for adequate thrust, so a seperate air bleed source had to be analysed.

Jets today have a larger enough intake to allow a much bigger compression of air for bleed air and thrust.

[Caipiroska243]

Thanks for your very detailed explanation; had never quite understood the function/purpose of the turbo compressors.

And indeed, only engines 2, 3 & 4 have them. Engine 1 doesn't.

[doulasc]

engines are not hush kitted.

[DirtyThing20]

Still I don`t like those engines..Looks not serious :)

[mogofou]

I agree, they are weird looking ^^

[trent8002003]

Great view of the reverse thrusters. Thanks for the upload.

[DirtyThing20]

Hmmm...Seems like these reverses don`t stop the plane at all..

[Caipiroska243]

If I recall they were being disengaged at about 80 knots, and the wheel braking was pretty light. Plenty of runway though and plus on that leg we were only about 40 pax (plus a few tons of cargo in the hold).

[trent8002003]

Wheel braking does the majority of the stopping. Reverse thrust is just a help.

[PilotOfNorway91]

The wheel brakes on the 707 brake slowly. ;)

[musico81986]

Wow...reversers on 2 and 3 only?

[Caipiroska243]

Yes, 2 & 3 only. Several reasons:

1) Old, delicate engines;

2) Had 5 more flights to undertake that same day;

3) Comodoro has a long runway

All 4 reversers were only used upon arrival at El Palomar that evening, because of the shorter runway.

[GerFer87]

y fijate como guarda los slats casi al mismo momento que saca los spoiler

[GerFer87]

si los puso fijate en la puntera de la semi ala derecha que apenas toca tierra levanta un chapon ese es uno de los spoiler,. saludos!!

[albareis]

Small?

[carlangaskpo]

che este piloto no puso los spoilers!!!!

[checkerupdown]

I have never fly with a 707 but i like it

[esmith512]

Thank you for these videos! I love the 707s, but don't see many anymore except for those in miliary service. (And those aren't nearly as comfortable as the commercial ones. :-) )

[Caipiroska243]

Well...TC-91 is in every sense military, and LADE is a military airline (which only operates transport aircraft belonging to the Air Force--C-130s, DHC-6s, F27s, F28s & L-100). But yes, it is indeed comfortable!

[emiratescrew]

cool reverse thruster sound

[flymajj]

Wonderful video. Are LADE still flying the B707??

Check out my videos of a Saha Air B707 in Iran too :-)

[Caipiroska243]

Great videos of yours, saw most of them!

LADE withdrew the B707 in the video from commercial service in May 2006--just a few weeks after my flight! The aircraft then flew sporadically for the Air Force till 15 November 2006, when it was unofficially retired after 31 years of service (yes, the aircraft was built as recently as 1975).

[Caipiroska243]

However...in September 2007 the order came through to give complete a C-Check on the aircraft which was already 60% complete and return the aircraft to service, so perhaps now in 2008 she will fly again! :-)

[SteffanLlwyd]

707 was a huge advance. Great to see that some still make it into the air.

[virginbluedude]

small, but not THAT small. its larger than the 737-800, but has 'primitive' reverse thrust and takes a hell of a long time to slow down

[Caipiroska243]

If needs be, the 707 can slow down in much less. In this video, you'll notice the crew being very "gentle" with all the aircraft braking systems, simply to minimise wear and tear. Plus, on that day the aircraft had 5 more flights to perform back-to-back, and the aircraft going INOP from a system failure far from home would have provided an interesting little problem to solve...

[zetanac]

excelente video de este avion que marco un hito en la aviacion gracias!!

[virginbluedude]

Its not that small, i mean, bigger than a 737. But it certainly aint huge!

[enigma800]

The leading edge slats on the wings are retracted before reverse thrust to reduce the stress on the aircraft as the engine throttle back up in reverse. After that event, they are brought back up again.

[brownbrownson]

i guess thats where the 747-400 gets that feature from...

[marekhajny]

Thank you for explaining that, because I couldn't understand that (I didn't see it before)

[XxkilladudexX]

i love angle jet veiws

[johnlouisville]

Great! these legacy jet videos....