Franken does such a great job exposing the pettiness and delinquency of some politicians. You know those maggots are squirming in their boots every time he takes the floor.
This is why we have a mindless, brain dead government 100% out of control. We elect complete frauds that have no more brain power or real world skills than an ass-sniffing primate.
kenny shut up. your wearing finger nail polish right now, your moms dress and you just got done jerking off to Hentai porn in the corner of your trailer.
I don't care what the hell you are. You are fucking nuts. People should keep sharp objects away from you. If you can't even be honest in a youtube forum, you shouldn't be allowed to handle children's sparklers let alone firearms.
For Christ sake, if you're really in the armed forces, my god, that's terrifying.
Welcome to the Congressional-Military-Industrial Complex of Dwight D. Eisenhower's nightmare. This is exactly what DDE spoke about at the end of his last term as president, his speech was the most prescient of any that has happened in the last 60 years. I have no respect for the puppets of the corps. We aren't any longer a representative democracy, we are nothing more than a corporate fascistic government. We cannot trust the government to do anything anymore that is for the people.
My fellow Conservatives should be embarrassed that so few so called "conservatives" stand up for the obvious like this. I know that liberals do the same with other issues but real change needs to start somewhere, lead by example.
i have an idea lets print and borrow more money until we all are homeless ...you guys are idiots if you think borrowing more money to fund this countrys military dhs tsa excetra excetra is the right way to go ...we can take care of the elderly and sick but the rest can go kick rocks for all i care
Why you Amerikans allow this shit to happen to you is above me.. Every developed country aside from yours has had its revolution against controlling governments.
I'd recommend a BBC Documentary "The Century of the Self", a good into on the 20th century's indoctrination of the American public, turning them into unthinking, selfish, dimwitted consumers who's only function in society was to go out and buy stuff.
What I hate is they are still talking about "winding down" the wars not just ending them. The last wind down hasnt even ended yet, we are still in Japan and Germany from nearly a century ago.
I wonder if when he refers to "tea partiers" he really means "libertarian" or "Ron Paul people". This would be a big disappointment because I like Al Franken. They never say that the entitlements are whats really the cause of the debt with all adding up to over $65Trillion in unpaid liabilities. Cutting the Military is equally important.
The MO of the political/financial system that holds all the levers in our societies is based on a wealth transfer going one way, and a debt transfer going the other.
Eventually it wont be our decision on whether we can borrow more money or not. There are many ways of raising revenue heres a good way to start we tell Europe Japan & South Korea if you would like us to keep defending you, you will have to pay the cost. Millionares & Billionares don't need medicare & social security checks. The military will just have to make due with the ships tanks & planes they already have. Common sense in Washington is unheard of
"The cutting back on the Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are a 'widely ridiculed' accounting gimmick."
What a bunch of idiots. THE DAY BEFORE 9/11, Rumsfeld was being grilled on the Hill regarding over THREE TRILLION dollars that had 'mysteriously vanished' from the Pentagon accounting books. THREE TRILLION...and THAT'S just what they FOUND to be missing...
Welcome to the new 'Money Pit' - the Military / Industrial Complex, brought to you by the Congressional Puppet Show...
@TheMercilessEye Sorry, but there are a few factual errors in your comment : Rumsfeld wasn't grilled on the "3,3 trillion missing" by the Hill on Sept. 10 2001. Rumsfeld called a Press-Con. on Sept. 10 at 16.00h (17 hours prior the attacks of 9\11) to "BRAKE" the story, that the Pentagon having difficulties to account for 2,3 trillion in Funds, its already received. Given the timeline, a much more sinister connection between the missing Funds and the attacks of 9\11 becomes obvious.
@MrLorack I stand corrected, sir. I had only seen Cynthia McKinney's historic questioning of Rumsfeld, which is usually cited as a 'grilling' (not quite a celeb. roast, a la Friar's club). It was my understanding that 1.1 or so trillion had gone missing the prior year, 2.3 trillion that year, hence my compounding of the amounts. Apparently Rummy wasn't quite able to put the fire out, once Rep. McKinney got rolling. And, of course, 9/11 eclipsed all that. Thanks for your input.
My dad is on dialysis and he is scared. He worked his whole life into old age and they took part of his pension to fund the wealthy greedy incompetents running the central banks with not a care in the world for others. This country will see a revolution if they hurt our beloved elders by grabbing at Ss and Medicare. This will light a fire . Our leadership sucks the knobs of elites like no other. What a bunch whores with no conscience. Perverse.
America could print interest free money as oppose to borrow from wall street and no one talks about this.
This whole thing is a fraud. Good cop/bad cop. Democrats are going to screw you anyway but, because the democrats are perceived as the good guys, you're gonna enjoy it. In the end, the establishment get what they want and that's what people should be focused on.
Ron Paul 2012......Obama should have ended the unconstitutional, undeclared, unfunded wars when he was elected and Democrats had majority...they didn't because they didn't want to. We must stop throwing piles upon piles of cash into Foreign Money Pits.
@MustacheVerra you cant PRINT debt free money. Fiat is "Backed By The Full Faith And Credit Of The United States Government". in other words "Backed by our ability to tax the shit out of our debt slaves" government put's your ass on the line every time they print a dollar.
@MustacheVerra ahhhh, now your talkin'. leave it so that others can see the conversation (helps them understand) I knew what you were talking about, I was just giving you a hard time. your talking about returning to the constitution & ending the fed. but what will stop congress from just printing the money (& devaluing it) whenever they feel like it?
@nogivenogets1 And you are right to give me a hard since i made a pretty big mistake. ;-)
As for you question, B. Still answers it here
watch?v=Rq8s0JShs7o
But even that is not nearly enough. I would add something even more important and that is to educate people on these matters. The Money Master, Money as debt and all these documentary should be rudimentary in hight schools. They should be aired every week on national TV. People should eat money policies til they understand it completely.
@Salvysahagun Why should medicare and Social Security be cut? according to the liberals it's fully funded up to 2030 something. I think someones lying
@nogivenogets1 You think someone is lying? Someone is clearly lying. More specifically republicans are lying to you baggers because you're too stupid to know the difference. The SS trust fund is invested in government bonds. If your party of incompetent anti American, anti constitutional liars defaults on Americas debt obligations in order to enrich the rich S.S. will be bankrupted.
@Phalinex so Social Security is NOT solvent until 2032 since it depends on US debt to pay it back, I knew those Democrats were Lying when they said it was.,,,, SS is not on the table, Obama just used that to scare Granny BUT what happens when they raise the debt limit & Inflation eats Granny's SS Check? do you think she'll care that our Interest payments didn't go up or do you think she'll be worried about what little her check buys?
thanks for playing, you play the part of a lib well... D'oh!
@nogivenogets1 WHAT? BY THAT LOGIC THE DEBT IS A MYTH... Just because the government spent it on wars and tax cuts does not mean they dont have to pay it back.... THEY HAVE TO PAY IT BACK..the SS WAS SPENT ON TAX XUTS IN THE LAS 10 YEARS ON THE RICH... the rich dont pay into SS... see the problem? the POOR WERE ROBBED TO SAVE THE RICH FROM TAXES... the only way is to tax the rich like under clinton and we have SS repayed in 20 years...
@JUDALATION what if They pay it back with devalued dollars? (no what if about it, they are). the SS was spent on welfare programs. "the rich dont pay into SS" not only do they pay into it but they pay the Max into it. "see the problem?" Oh yea, I see the problem plain as day, I'm reading a comment from one of the problems. Poor don't pay income taxes or actually get more then they paid in. everything you've said is backwards, provide your sources.
Can some explain to me what kind of person or business tells the banks that if they stop borrowing money I'll file chapter 11 and you won't get your money back.
Borrowing to get out of debt is like fucking for Virginity.
"trying to balance the budget in times of economic distress is a recipe for deepening the slump. Spending cuts right now wouldn’t put the economy on sounder footing. They would reduce growth and raise unemployment. ...businesses aren’t holding back because they lack confidence in government policies; they’re holding back because they don’t have enough customers, a problem that would be made worse, not better, by short-term spending cuts"
"To fight this recession the Fed needs more than a snapback; it needs soaring household spending to offset moribund business investment. And to do that as Paul McCulley of Pimco put it, Alan Greenspan needs to create a housing bubble to replace the nasdaq bubble"
1st, the quote is 9 years old and under a republican admin, which had just massively cut taxes and started a war, do you believe its relevant to today's economy? The quote is about how the fed increase in interest rates was offset by consumer spending. He talking about consumer spending as the only alternative where the government and businesses have no intention making any kind of contribution.
I'm suggesting that he didn't. I'm suggesting that a Nobel Prize winning economist understands the damage that investment bubbles can cause. A careful analysis of his article should illustrate this.
Krugman is a Keynesian, are you suggesting he abandoned these principals and suddenly wants to re-inflate the housing bubble? What evidence do you have for this other than a 9 year old quote taken out of context?
As I told the other individual who seems to have a hair up their ass for me, I only engage those whom are willing to be reasonable. Laid out a carefully reasoned argument which was completely ignored, simply repeating your inane drivel once more, only with threats about "how this is the last time" HA! Please.
I don't respond to threats. So, your done. Blocked. Go peddle your childish nonsense and foolish threats elsewhere.
@Salvysahagun THE MAIN GOAL IS TO KEEP THE GOVERNMENT RUNNING... NOT TO REDUCE THE DEBT... that is a long term plan... It wont help if America cant pay its bills and get a credit rating drop... simple analogies dont work on complicated problems...
the credit rating will drop either way, as a country we roughly, with all bills and entitlements, are almost 100 trillion in debt, impossible to pay, USA will have hard times no matter what. I just want my independence and freedom to get through it and restructure the economy to a viable self sustaining networks of free markets not corporatism or a soft form of Fascism.
@europa Your plan is terrible! WE ALREADY HAVE A CONSUMPTION TAX.... Not only would this cause the cost of products to rise.... effectively destroying our ability to export anything in the global market.... But it would also cause the poor to be unable to afford basic necessities.... And the government would not have enough money to fix roads and pay for prisions.... You really fail with your proposal... All we need is to end the wars and return to clinton taxes... THAT ENDS OUR DEFICIT IN 12 YR
your points have no validity, empirical data is needed, we have plenty of consumption taxes and savings taxes and living taxes...etc TOO many TAXES, and tax is a theft in a separate argument, and it punishes that activity.and the inflation tax hurts the poor the most.
How would the cost of products rise of a consumption or sales tax? and this tax will fund a reasonable govt your roads and such which by the way is a cliche talking point prisons? most of prisoners are non violent
and to end a deficit you can do that basically over night by ending all foreign aid, end all wars, cut back on the military budget, end the fed and wipe away the 1.7 trillion debt off the books, dismantle home land security and Patriot act, tsa, department of energy, epa, fbi, cia,department of education..etc plenty of options that will restructure a bubble economy based on consumption and debt
Jefferson did the same thing you think and it was a failure.
TAXES are theft, period, but you dont regulate the economy tariffs are punishment for production because there is a reason the product is coming from another country. a consumption tax is voluntary and it punishes consuming rather than production and savings which raise the standard of living.
if you want govt you have to fund it, it should be small and practical 10% Sales Tax no other tax, the individual is sovereign
Jefferson didnt tax everyone he put Tariffs on import exports to British due to free trade with France,
the British were confiscating American ships in trade with their enemies so instead of war he imposed tariffs as economic war, and it was a disaster and lowered the standard of living of individual accustomed and systemically connected to the resource stream.
A sales tax consumption tax is fair, unilateral and avoidable, buy not consuming haphazardly
free trade WAS the American system and now we are in a fascist global ponzi scheme. Free trade insists two political factors
! Individual Liberties, protected by private property rights, upheld by voluntary contracts enforced by a small local govt, and the more complex the scenario the more local it should get.
2. economic law of free trade, transfer of wealth, with sound money and no government inference with the exception clause of the people to petition property right violation
Its not a complicated problem. Any other person, or company or anything that involves a budget, revenue and debt knows that when your bankrupt you can't keep borrowing.
to top if this debt isn't even productive debt. We are going in debt to pay for welfare checks and wars that have no reperations.
why is it these idiots dont cut some of the military budget. i was just searching it and out of 196 countries we have stationary bases in 150 of them. the american people dont want this by a vast majority, so then why do we have them, dont we have enough aircraft carriers ect ect ect without pissing away money to support all of those countries. the only thing i can make of it is they are supporting the military industrial complex the rich and are lackys to isreal. to hell with isreal..
Before the :32 sec mark htis asshat was 'shilling' or 'doing as instructed' by the ones he is indebted to for his position in politics. A shame, to be sure.
lying piece of shit. ---can`t even read the lying shit Al thinks is for New World Order. this prick has to be exposed and how he rigged the elections.
"has to be exposed and how he rigged the elections."
You mean like how Bush stole the Florida election? Or how they just happened to "find" 15,000 ballots on someones personal computer that sent the Wisconsin Supreme Court to the republicans? Those kind of "rigged elections?
The baggers voted for no government and gave us dysfunctional government. The constitution requires the government to pay its obligations, but the idea that we don't have to pay taxes and we don't have to pay bills has become a viable option for republicans. This is proof that the republican party doesn't care about America or the constitution. They are the greatest threat to America and they're unfit for office.
@Phalinex BS 1) not raising the debt limit does not mean government wont be able to pay it's debts, it means government will have to operate within it's means 2) yes we have to pay our debts but this administration is increasing our debt to the point that those of us who pay the bills in this country will be debt slaves. 3) it's the democrats that don't care about America by Increasing the Debt ceiling.
if we don't increase the debt ceiling interest on future loans (that we cant get anyway because banks aren't lending) will go up. if we do increase the debt ceiling INFLATION will go up AND there's no guarantee that the dollar wont get downgraded anyway so interest rates will go up also.
the sad part is they WILL increase the debt limit becouse neither side will cut spending on their sacred cows
republicans could easily bring up the point of Inflation to counter Obama's fear mongering about Interest rates but they wont because they want to raise the debt ceiling also, they just want to be able to blame it on Obama.
The GDP gross domestic product calculation of a country is a shit calculation, it absolutely does not reflect what the objective of that calculation is aiming for. The Keynesian school of economics will only spell ruin for an economy. The Austran school specifcally Ludwig von Mises interpretation is an aproach that is more ethical and far more fair than any other.
@ACORNSUCKS Cut and dry? there are none, it`s obvious you know nothing about what I am argueing and said nothing about borrowing, then you surpport my argument, thankyou by the way for agreeing with me. I`m sure it was a misinterpretation on your part, you have to read carefully, if it helps slow down and sound out the words you don`t understand. After you`re done with that, Listen to every debate that Ron Paul has to offer and you will eventually understand that there is a real solution.
Here's your options in the 2012 election: Ron Paul and 2 years of depression followed by economic recovery...or EVERYONE ELSE and 10 more years of "recession" (depression-lite) and a loss of American sovereignty.
@mule1969 great comment! That said, If we trash "free trade" and it's back stabbing effects to our economy it should boost our economy significantly. According to the Dylan Ratigan show, the tariffs rates are rigged 10 to 1 in favor of China (WTF). Fair trade and ripping out the red tape...we might pull out of it fairly quickly. Regardless, liquidation is an economic reality. RP2012 or bust.
There is no need to "compromise". What's more is there is no need to engage in the same behavior (raising the debt ceiling, raising spending, raising taxes) and expect a different outcome. The only way to get the economy going again is to cut spending, restructure entitlements, and most of all...END ALL THE FUCKING WARS - foreign (War on Terror) AND domestic (War on Drugs). It's time to cut government...not our incomes.
Are dimwits like Michele Bachmann, Virginia Foxx, Louie Gohmert, or family values, right wing hypocrites lie Larry Craig, David Vitter etc. acceptable?
Answer honestly here Kenny, if Franken were a member of the Tea Baggers would he then be OK?
The fact that you say "Teabagger" alone is my point where did you pick up that little number Bill Maher Rachael maddow....,
when you vote for govt you vote for less freedom like a way table and force is the regulator of the allocation and re allocation of resources, you are debating fallacies when you say if this person was wearing another "Jersey" would like him so much or hate him so much.
your debating symptoms of a problem rather than problem its self
Govt cannot produce wealth it only has the power to allocate and reallocate resources, simple.......
What funds govt?a private sector or the individuals, and when you tax you take away a piece of their past and limit the amount freedom when you limit the resources they can collect.
Govt feeds off production like a virus, it transfers wealth, because wealth is never destroyed nor created, its merely transferred and that is LIFE.
I have never been to a tea party rally and I'm not a tea party person, though the original Tea Party was Ron Paul Liberty supporters than the GOP couldn't control it by fighting it. so they hijacked it you know "
if you cant beat em join em"
and gave them Sarah Palin Glenn Beck and now Michelle Bachman EX IRS AGENT a contradiction indeed
so TAX is theft and it steals your freedom to control your destiny, hence Dem and Rep are the same progressives
so you repeat what I say then say something ridiculous like" live in Somalia"...? with no history of civil Liberties nor a constitutional republic, nor do they have private property rights.
Give me facts or just go away.
Makes sense that's why your home team is one side of a coin called democrats go get educated and quit spewing your propaganda to the rest of us.
@europa Name a technologically advanced, industrialized country that has lower taxes than we do. Name just one. And if you can't, I'd suggest you stop whining about taxes.
thats like saying if some one was getting raped, its a better rape because you use lube and a condom, use thought behind your statements
you want adequate, I want a better future so grow up and look around see the unconstitutionality of the Govt, but you would need to read the constitution .................
Dude, what the hell are you talking about. YOU posted to me. Then began ranting about "jerseys" and the mafia, are you high? I don't owe you anything.
And do you even pay taxes? When is the last time you held a job anyway, or taken a shower? Or are you just taking a break from your indiie grunge rock band to harass people with your incoherent gibberish from whatever public library you're posting from today?
its called interacting on a political issue and you have nothing to back up your position, so I was mistakened to believe you were capable of debate
and yes I pay plenty of taxes 30% of my income alone is enough to call rape not to mention the inflation tax and the other theft apparatus , and the shower comment shows the low brow in ya,
gibberish to one, is truth to another so read a book, you must be under the age of 25 for a "DUDE" comment via con dios mate
I will pick and choose whom I will have a dialog with, not you. It should be obvious to you at this point I'm not interested in an exchange with someone who's non-sequitur laden rantings can't even quote me correctly.
@smithbrass You're right. My bad. He did publically support the Iraq War, though. That's why i was confused. And i'm ignorant because i'm European, i guess.
@ShadowCrashed81 Well, i want to move to the US because my country is beyond helpless. And as long as US foreign & monetary policy affects me, i feel that i have right to speak out about it.
@VernonKrudlik You could take out an ad in every paper in the nation and tell everyone in the world what our plan is, but the American people are too fucking stupid to figure it out even if we explain it to them. We will rob them fucking blind and convince them it's in their best interest.
Don't forget to tell them is all about abortion and gay marriage first. And make sure you're wearing one of those tri-corner hats and waving one of those "don't tread on me" flags. And carry a bunch of miss-spelled signs like "keep yo big gubment hands offa my Medicare!" or pictures of Obama with a Nazi mustache.
@VernonKrudlik You realize we laugh at the people who hold those signs, right? We pass them out at rallies, trying not to laugh, but then we laugh at them later when they vote for us.
The social issues come in much later in the election cycle. We will be calling voters and asking questions like, "Would you be more or less likely to vote for Obama is you discovered he was born in Kenya?"
@VernonKrudlik I am too young for Reagan to remind me of much. Schwarzenegger always reminded me of Kindergarten Cop. As for G.W. Bush I noted some similarities, but in his case it was his speeches that I could not take seriously.
The rich want to balance the budget on the backs of the working class, cut social programs and services to balance the budget? OK, do that. Then, declare a tax emergency. Impose a 90% tax on the top 2% of Americans until the national debt is paid off in full. If they refuse to pay, throw them in prison. We already have 3 million poor Americans in prisons now, many there to make a profit for the rich. So put the rich in prison, see how they like that. Today it is a class war, let’s fight!
Winding down? My ass, 50,000 left in Iraq, 3 times the troops he started with in Afghanistan, also Libya, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, etc. etc... Obama isn't "winding down" anything, wake up Franken.
@albatros12 - Exactly. Fuck this. There were 100,000's at the height of the war. I'd mathematically call going down to 50,000 as 'winding down'. Even a step in the right direction is somehow bad.
@albatros12 in Afghanistan, Obama started with 31,000 troops, escalated to 71,000 in 2009, then up to 98,000 by now, that's triple. not even mentioning contractors...
I'll use my freedom to tell you to do some homework before spouting nonsense.
@VernonKrudlik war is my partisan issue, I don't care if he worships the flying spaghetti monster, he's consistently anti-war, and troop movement is the only issue a president REALLY controls.
Ron Paul is the crazy uncle who lives in the tool shed, who occasionally gets invited to the dinner table, (2012), for entertainment value. Just because he makes sense every once and awhile doesn't mean you buy into the rest of his delusions.
When you believe the earth is 6K years old your views on the environment, energy, economy, are dramatically skewed. In the 21st century, such medieval superstitions are embarrassing and dangerous.
@VernonKrudlik You seem to be confused. Ron Paul believes that gold has been used as money for over 6000 years. So obviously he doesn't think that "the earth is 6k years old".
I see. How old does he say the earth is then? You understand he doesn't accept evolution? Are you suggesting there is some credible alternate scientific theory that doesn't incorporate evolution into its explanation?
Franken does such a great job exposing the pettiness and delinquency of some politicians. You know those maggots are squirming in their boots every time he takes the floor.
UnclePutin 6 months ago
This is why we have a mindless, brain dead government 100% out of control. We elect complete frauds that have no more brain power or real world skills than an ass-sniffing primate.
nickrambus 7 months ago
@Kenny123456ish Lawl, silly nationalist.
zeektheawesome 7 months ago
@Kenny123456ish
kenny shut up. your wearing finger nail polish right now, your moms dress and you just got done jerking off to Hentai porn in the corner of your trailer.
Who do you think you're kidding?
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
@Kenny123456ish
Ha ha! Fruitcate
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
@Kenny123456ish
I don't care what the hell you are. You are fucking nuts. People should keep sharp objects away from you. If you can't even be honest in a youtube forum, you shouldn't be allowed to handle children's sparklers let alone firearms.
For Christ sake, if you're really in the armed forces, my god, that's terrifying.
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
@Kenny123456ish
You are a liar Kenny.
"Now is the time for ALL GOOD MEN, to come to the AID of there COUNTRY!"
"why does he help those annoying illegal immigrants so much?"
"Arrest Obama NOW! I am calling on ALL Militia’s to storm Arizona AND HELP THEM GET RID OF THE VERMIN"
"@FuckObamasMama You GD RIGHT!"
And also a coward for not standing up for your own beliefs
"Let me tell these NON-BELIEVER’S! SOMETHING! I have had FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE with “THEM” They are REAL they ARE here!"
And a nut
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
Welcome to the Congressional-Military-Industrial Complex of Dwight D. Eisenhower's nightmare. This is exactly what DDE spoke about at the end of his last term as president, his speech was the most prescient of any that has happened in the last 60 years. I have no respect for the puppets of the corps. We aren't any longer a representative democracy, we are nothing more than a corporate fascistic government. We cannot trust the government to do anything anymore that is for the people.
journeyer58 7 months ago
My fellow Conservatives should be embarrassed that so few so called "conservatives" stand up for the obvious like this. I know that liberals do the same with other issues but real change needs to start somewhere, lead by example.
russkeller 7 months ago
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i have an idea lets print and borrow more money until we all are homeless ...you guys are idiots if you think borrowing more money to fund this countrys military dhs tsa excetra excetra is the right way to go ...we can take care of the elderly and sick but the rest can go kick rocks for all i care
ally4free1 7 months ago
Why you Amerikans allow this shit to happen to you is above me.. Every developed country aside from yours has had its revolution against controlling governments.
2tur 7 months ago
@2tur
I'd recommend a BBC Documentary "The Century of the Self", a good into on the 20th century's indoctrination of the American public, turning them into unthinking, selfish, dimwitted consumers who's only function in society was to go out and buy stuff.
It should be available on line.
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
Always love Al Frankons speeches
jakobdrewaut 7 months ago
our leaders are trash
mandypants02 7 months ago
What I hate is they are still talking about "winding down" the wars not just ending them. The last wind down hasnt even ended yet, we are still in Japan and Germany from nearly a century ago.
ShadowSandy 7 months ago
I wonder if when he refers to "tea partiers" he really means "libertarian" or "Ron Paul people". This would be a big disappointment because I like Al Franken. They never say that the entitlements are whats really the cause of the debt with all adding up to over $65Trillion in unpaid liabilities. Cutting the Military is equally important.
CelticAlphabet 7 months ago
Unless demilitarize, then collapse.
This Nation has not seen a peacetime economy in almost seventy years.
Demilitarize.
Abolish the Debt.
Rebuild our Nation, rebuild everything from inside out..
Otherwise, collapse & join the league of third world nations.
ZedAlfa273 7 months ago
The MO of the political/financial system that holds all the levers in our societies is based on a wealth transfer going one way, and a debt transfer going the other.
ttgator2003 7 months ago
Eventually it wont be our decision on whether we can borrow more money or not. There are many ways of raising revenue heres a good way to start we tell Europe Japan & South Korea if you would like us to keep defending you, you will have to pay the cost. Millionares & Billionares don't need medicare & social security checks. The military will just have to make due with the ships tanks & planes they already have. Common sense in Washington is unheard of
sintruder 7 months ago
"The cutting back on the Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are a 'widely ridiculed' accounting gimmick."
What a bunch of idiots. THE DAY BEFORE 9/11, Rumsfeld was being grilled on the Hill regarding over THREE TRILLION dollars that had 'mysteriously vanished' from the Pentagon accounting books. THREE TRILLION...and THAT'S just what they FOUND to be missing...
Welcome to the new 'Money Pit' - the Military / Industrial Complex, brought to you by the Congressional Puppet Show...
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MrLorack 7 months ago
@TheMercilessEye Sorry, but there are a few factual errors in your comment : Rumsfeld wasn't grilled on the "3,3 trillion missing" by the Hill on Sept. 10 2001. Rumsfeld called a Press-Con. on Sept. 10 at 16.00h (17 hours prior the attacks of 9\11) to "BRAKE" the story, that the Pentagon having difficulties to account for 2,3 trillion in Funds, its already received. Given the timeline, a much more sinister connection between the missing Funds and the attacks of 9\11 becomes obvious.
MrLorack 7 months ago
@MrLorack I stand corrected, sir. I had only seen Cynthia McKinney's historic questioning of Rumsfeld, which is usually cited as a 'grilling' (not quite a celeb. roast, a la Friar's club). It was my understanding that 1.1 or so trillion had gone missing the prior year, 2.3 trillion that year, hence my compounding of the amounts. Apparently Rummy wasn't quite able to put the fire out, once Rep. McKinney got rolling. And, of course, 9/11 eclipsed all that. Thanks for your input.
TheMercilessEye 7 months ago
@TheMercilessEye
What? The military buget of the US is less than 700 billion a year.
The defense buget hasn't changed that much because of the wars.
charlesvan13 5 months ago
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@charlesvan13 Yeah, I know...sounds completely fantastic, right...?
watch?v=_rRqeJcuK-A
watch?v=3kpWqdPMjmo
watch?v=jjcRywb6Zf4
And that was just the money that was ON the BOOKS.
Everybody kind of forgot this little item, since the next day was 9/11/2001.
And if you think that was bad, check THIS out:
watch?v=GYNVNhB-m0o&feature=related
TheMercilessEye 5 months ago
My dad is on dialysis and he is scared. He worked his whole life into old age and they took part of his pension to fund the wealthy greedy incompetents running the central banks with not a care in the world for others. This country will see a revolution if they hurt our beloved elders by grabbing at Ss and Medicare. This will light a fire . Our leadership sucks the knobs of elites like no other. What a bunch whores with no conscience. Perverse.
Textynn 7 months ago 18
@Textynn I hope they dont. I have some problems similar to you. Hope your father is ok.
Atrofia2 7 months ago
@Atrofia2 Thanks. I think the elites want a revolution. It's like they are trying to do the ugliest things they can. Really weird.
Textynn 7 months ago
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ally4free1 7 months ago
I didn't know Bill Clinton was president in 1966
sintruder 7 months ago
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America could print interest free money as oppose to borrow from wall street and no one talks about this.
This whole thing is a fraud. Good cop/bad cop. Democrats are going to screw you anyway but, because the democrats are perceived as the good guys, you're gonna enjoy it. In the end, the establishment get what they want and that's what people should be focused on.
MustacheVerra 7 months ago
Ron Paul 2012......Obama should have ended the unconstitutional, undeclared, unfunded wars when he was elected and Democrats had majority...they didn't because they didn't want to. We must stop throwing piles upon piles of cash into Foreign Money Pits.
peng1965a 7 months ago
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MustacheVerra 7 months ago
@MustacheVerra you cant PRINT debt free money. Fiat is "Backed By The Full Faith And Credit Of The United States Government". in other words "Backed by our ability to tax the shit out of our debt slaves" government put's your ass on the line every time they print a dollar.
nogivenogets1 7 months ago
@nogivenogets1 Actually you can. And it'd be better than to borrow it from international bankers.
BTW, the money is going to printed anyway.
Still. there's no need for this. The US could stop the so many wars they are involved in, they could close military bases, tax wall street etc...
MustacheVerra 7 months ago
@MustacheVerra Actually you can't since fiat is based on debt regardless of who prints it.
nogivenogets1 7 months ago
@nogivenogets1 I'm sorry, i meant to say interest free money in my first post. I'll delete my post and start over.
MustacheVerra 7 months ago
@MustacheVerra ahhhh, now your talkin'. leave it so that others can see the conversation (helps them understand) I knew what you were talking about, I was just giving you a hard time. your talking about returning to the constitution & ending the fed. but what will stop congress from just printing the money (& devaluing it) whenever they feel like it?
nogivenogets1 7 months ago
@nogivenogets1 And you are right to give me a hard since i made a pretty big mistake. ;-)
As for you question, B. Still answers it here
watch?v=Rq8s0JShs7o
But even that is not nearly enough. I would add something even more important and that is to educate people on these matters. The Money Master, Money as debt and all these documentary should be rudimentary in hight schools. They should be aired every week on national TV. People should eat money policies til they understand it completely.
MustacheVerra 7 months ago
LOve me some Al Frankin
rextrek 7 months ago
$1 cuts in medicare, Medicaid and Social Security for $5 cuts in military.
I think that would be a fair comprimise
Salvysahagun 7 months ago
@Salvysahagun Why should medicare and Social Security be cut? according to the liberals it's fully funded up to 2030 something. I think someones lying
nogivenogets1 7 months ago
@nogivenogets1 You think someone is lying? Someone is clearly lying. More specifically republicans are lying to you baggers because you're too stupid to know the difference. The SS trust fund is invested in government bonds. If your party of incompetent anti American, anti constitutional liars defaults on Americas debt obligations in order to enrich the rich S.S. will be bankrupted.
Phalinex 7 months ago
@Phalinex so Social Security is NOT solvent until 2032 since it depends on US debt to pay it back, I knew those Democrats were Lying when they said it was.,,,, SS is not on the table, Obama just used that to scare Granny BUT what happens when they raise the debt limit & Inflation eats Granny's SS Check? do you think she'll care that our Interest payments didn't go up or do you think she'll be worried about what little her check buys?
thanks for playing, you play the part of a lib well... D'oh!
nogivenogets1 7 months ago
@nogivenogets1 SS HAS A 2 TRILLION DOLLAR SURPLUS... that was used to pay for the wars and tax cuts... THATS WHY
JUDALATION 7 months ago
@JUDALATION the gov has always pulled from SS to fund wars starting with NAM the cookie jar is always open
coolnamesweretaken1 7 months ago
@JUDALATION Social Security Surplus Myth Part I watch?v=SzY-WMkdcW8
Social Security Surplus Myth Part II watch?v=0_ZewnlMKfQ
there NEVER was a Social Security Surplus, both parties blow the money. it goes into the budget.
ask Phalinex, he'll tell you.
nogivenogets1 7 months ago
@nogivenogets1 WHAT? BY THAT LOGIC THE DEBT IS A MYTH... Just because the government spent it on wars and tax cuts does not mean they dont have to pay it back.... THEY HAVE TO PAY IT BACK..the SS WAS SPENT ON TAX XUTS IN THE LAS 10 YEARS ON THE RICH... the rich dont pay into SS... see the problem? the POOR WERE ROBBED TO SAVE THE RICH FROM TAXES... the only way is to tax the rich like under clinton and we have SS repayed in 20 years...
JUDALATION 7 months ago
@JUDALATION what if They pay it back with devalued dollars? (no what if about it, they are). the SS was spent on welfare programs. "the rich dont pay into SS" not only do they pay into it but they pay the Max into it. "see the problem?" Oh yea, I see the problem plain as day, I'm reading a comment from one of the problems. Poor don't pay income taxes or actually get more then they paid in. everything you've said is backwards, provide your sources.
nogivenogets1 7 months ago
@JUDALATION
SS is a trust fund backed by us printing press, so its funded like most things through debt and inflation
there is no money,just fiat currency which is systematically designed to depreciate in value with interest because of central banking
europa 7 months ago
Can some explain to me what kind of person or business tells the banks that if they stop borrowing money I'll file chapter 11 and you won't get your money back.
Borrowing to get out of debt is like fucking for Virginity.
Salvysahagun 7 months ago
@Salvysahagun
"trying to balance the budget in times of economic distress is a recipe for deepening the slump. Spending cuts right now wouldn’t put the economy on sounder footing. They would reduce growth and raise unemployment. ...businesses aren’t holding back because they lack confidence in government policies; they’re holding back because they don’t have enough customers, a problem that would be made worse, not better, by short-term spending cuts"
- Paul Krugman, Nobel Prize economist.
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
@VernonKrudlik krugman, lol
kardentyrell 7 months ago
@VernonKrudlik
"To fight this recession the Fed needs more than a snapback; it needs soaring household spending to offset moribund business investment. And to do that as Paul McCulley of Pimco put it, Alan Greenspan needs to create a housing bubble to replace the nasdaq bubble"
- Paul Krugman, Nobel Prize economist.
That went well now didn't it?
Salvysahagun 7 months ago
@Salvysahagun
So? What's your point?
1st, the quote is 9 years old and under a republican admin, which had just massively cut taxes and started a war, do you believe its relevant to today's economy? The quote is about how the fed increase in interest rates was offset by consumer spending. He talking about consumer spending as the only alternative where the government and businesses have no intention making any kind of contribution.
At best, disingenuous. Care to try again?
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
@VernonKrudlik
OMG
Don't you see that he encouraged the recession!!!
The housing bubble was the direct cause of the recession.
Ya lets take Krugmans perscription again he got it wrong last time he'll get it wrong this time
Salvysahagun 7 months ago
@Salvysahagun
"he encouraged the recession"
I'm suggesting that he didn't. I'm suggesting that a Nobel Prize winning economist understands the damage that investment bubbles can cause. A careful analysis of his article should illustrate this.
Krugman is a Keynesian, are you suggesting he abandoned these principals and suddenly wants to re-inflate the housing bubble? What evidence do you have for this other than a 9 year old quote taken out of context?
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
@VernonKrudlik
Ok,, pay attention I'm only going to say this once.
The recession of 07 was triggered by the housing bubble that Paul Krugman endorsed and encouraged.
as stated in that quote.
He cleary stated we need a housing bubble to replace the nasdaq bubble. Which is what happened then the Housing bubble burst, as all bubbles do.
Salvysahagun 7 months ago
@Salvysahagun
HA! Your only going to say it once, that's rich. I find your mock-righteous indignation comical and repulsive.
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
@VernonKrudlik
I guess you don't like facts
Salvysahagun 7 months ago
@Salvysahagun
"I guess you don't like facts"
Got any?
Oh wait, you were only going to say it once. Just when I had the chance to learn something from your wellspring of wisdom. (ha ha)
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
@VernonKrudlik
Please disprove my facts as oppose to just insulting.
Its really depressing to see the once educated population turn to insults when they can't win
Salvysahagun 7 months ago
@Salvysahagun
As I told the other individual who seems to have a hair up their ass for me, I only engage those whom are willing to be reasonable. Laid out a carefully reasoned argument which was completely ignored, simply repeating your inane drivel once more, only with threats about "how this is the last time" HA! Please.
I don't respond to threats. So, your done. Blocked. Go peddle your childish nonsense and foolish threats elsewhere.
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
@VernonKrudlik I have presented dozens of facts but you only respond with insults
Salvysahagun 7 months ago
@VernonKrudlik Krugman has advocated for the creation of a housing bubble. He's no longer taken seriously.
RonPaulClassics 7 months ago
@RonPaulClassics
Look, dude, I just went through this. Did you even read what I wrote?
Here, google the article yourself "Dubya's Double Dip?" I"m not holding your hand for you.
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
@VernonKrudlik That's the article where he called for the creation of a housing bubble. What's your point?
RonPaulClassics 7 months ago
@RonPaulClassics
What's my point? My point is that you likely couldn't find your ass with both hands. That's my point.
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
@VernonKrudlik I take it that you were in favor of a housing bubble. Do you als think we should create a new bubble like Krugman advocates?
RonPaulClassics 7 months ago
@RonPaulClassics
Finally! Hello? Its about time someone gets what I'm saying.
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
@Salvysahagun THE MAIN GOAL IS TO KEEP THE GOVERNMENT RUNNING... NOT TO REDUCE THE DEBT... that is a long term plan... It wont help if America cant pay its bills and get a credit rating drop... simple analogies dont work on complicated problems...
JUDALATION 7 months ago
@JUDALATION
the credit rating will drop either way, as a country we roughly, with all bills and entitlements, are almost 100 trillion in debt, impossible to pay, USA will have hard times no matter what. I just want my independence and freedom to get through it and restructure the economy to a viable self sustaining networks of free markets not corporatism or a soft form of Fascism.
you want real change
END THE FED
END THE EMPIRE
NO PROPERTY TAX
NO INCOME TAX
CONSUMPTION TAX TO FUND GOVT
europa 7 months ago
@europa Your plan is terrible! WE ALREADY HAVE A CONSUMPTION TAX.... Not only would this cause the cost of products to rise.... effectively destroying our ability to export anything in the global market.... But it would also cause the poor to be unable to afford basic necessities.... And the government would not have enough money to fix roads and pay for prisions.... You really fail with your proposal... All we need is to end the wars and return to clinton taxes... THAT ENDS OUR DEFICIT IN 12 YR
JUDALATION 7 months ago
@JUDALATION
your points have no validity, empirical data is needed, we have plenty of consumption taxes and savings taxes and living taxes...etc TOO many TAXES, and tax is a theft in a separate argument, and it punishes that activity.and the inflation tax hurts the poor the most.
How would the cost of products rise of a consumption or sales tax? and this tax will fund a reasonable govt your roads and such which by the way is a cliche talking point prisons? most of prisoners are non violent
europa 7 months ago
@JUDALATION
and to end a deficit you can do that basically over night by ending all foreign aid, end all wars, cut back on the military budget, end the fed and wipe away the 1.7 trillion debt off the books, dismantle home land security and Patriot act, tsa, department of energy, epa, fbi, cia,department of education..etc plenty of options that will restructure a bubble economy based on consumption and debt
europa 7 months ago
@europa
Consumption tax is bad idea.
All direct domestic taxes are un american.
We need high tarrifs and exise taxes.
Salvysahagun 7 months ago
@Salvysahagun
Jefferson did the same thing you think and it was a failure.
TAXES are theft, period, but you dont regulate the economy tariffs are punishment for production because there is a reason the product is coming from another country. a consumption tax is voluntary and it punishes consuming rather than production and savings which raise the standard of living.
if you want govt you have to fund it, it should be small and practical 10% Sales Tax no other tax, the individual is sovereign
europa 7 months ago
@europa
Jefferson had to tax everyone because he wanted to buy louisana
The American System is what made the longest period of solid growth in American history
Protectionism will always trump free trade
Salvysahagun 7 months ago
@Salvysahagun
Jefferson didnt tax everyone he put Tariffs on import exports to British due to free trade with France,
the British were confiscating American ships in trade with their enemies so instead of war he imposed tariffs as economic war, and it was a disaster and lowered the standard of living of individual accustomed and systemically connected to the resource stream.
A sales tax consumption tax is fair, unilateral and avoidable, buy not consuming haphazardly
europa 7 months ago
@europa
free trade WAS the American system and now we are in a fascist global ponzi scheme. Free trade insists two political factors
! Individual Liberties, protected by private property rights, upheld by voluntary contracts enforced by a small local govt, and the more complex the scenario the more local it should get.
2. economic law of free trade, transfer of wealth, with sound money and no government inference with the exception clause of the people to petition property right violation
europa 7 months ago
@europa
All taxes should be avoidable
Salvysahagun 7 months ago
@Salvysahagun
agreed
europa 7 months ago
@JUDALATION
Its not a complicated problem. Any other person, or company or anything that involves a budget, revenue and debt knows that when your bankrupt you can't keep borrowing.
to top if this debt isn't even productive debt. We are going in debt to pay for welfare checks and wars that have no reperations.
Salvysahagun 7 months ago
the tea party is doing what they were elected for
chrisjbarton 7 months ago
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@chrisjbarton
"the tea party is doing what they were elected for"
Sure are.
Fucking the country, for Jesus.
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
why is it these idiots dont cut some of the military budget. i was just searching it and out of 196 countries we have stationary bases in 150 of them. the american people dont want this by a vast majority, so then why do we have them, dont we have enough aircraft carriers ect ect ect without pissing away money to support all of those countries. the only thing i can make of it is they are supporting the military industrial complex the rich and are lackys to isreal. to hell with isreal..
yesgyes 7 months ago 2
Why isn't their more dislikes on this LIAR!
This guy only care about his Wall-Street buds, send his ASS to Israel along with his other Patriot Act WHORES in the Senate!
North2016 7 months ago
@North2016 Define "Patriot Act whores" please.
theorganichispanic 7 months ago
Before the :32 sec mark htis asshat was 'shilling' or 'doing as instructed' by the ones he is indebted to for his position in politics. A shame, to be sure.
motorolarules 7 months ago
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@motorolarules
And who are you "shilling" for?
"I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters."
- Frank Lloyd Wright
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
lying piece of shit. ---can`t even read the lying shit Al thinks is for New World Order. this prick has to be exposed and how he rigged the elections.
terrygus1 7 months ago
@terrygus1
"has to be exposed and how he rigged the elections."
You mean like how Bush stole the Florida election? Or how they just happened to "find" 15,000 ballots on someones personal computer that sent the Wisconsin Supreme Court to the republicans? Those kind of "rigged elections?
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
The baggers voted for no government and gave us dysfunctional government. The constitution requires the government to pay its obligations, but the idea that we don't have to pay taxes and we don't have to pay bills has become a viable option for republicans. This is proof that the republican party doesn't care about America or the constitution. They are the greatest threat to America and they're unfit for office.
Phalinex 7 months ago
@Phalinex BS 1) not raising the debt limit does not mean government wont be able to pay it's debts, it means government will have to operate within it's means 2) yes we have to pay our debts but this administration is increasing our debt to the point that those of us who pay the bills in this country will be debt slaves. 3) it's the democrats that don't care about America by Increasing the Debt ceiling.
........cont
nogivenogets1 7 months ago
if we don't increase the debt ceiling interest on future loans (that we cant get anyway because banks aren't lending) will go up. if we do increase the debt ceiling INFLATION will go up AND there's no guarantee that the dollar wont get downgraded anyway so interest rates will go up also.
.........cont
nogivenogets1 7 months ago
the sad part is they WILL increase the debt limit becouse neither side will cut spending on their sacred cows
republicans could easily bring up the point of Inflation to counter Obama's fear mongering about Interest rates but they wont because they want to raise the debt ceiling also, they just want to be able to blame it on Obama.
nogivenogets1 7 months ago
@Phalinex
wow that a whole lot of wrong
let me guess your a Democrat?
because both sides are a joke and have the same platform, Central banking regulation, debt, inflation and wars and the end of civil Liberties
This has been a problem since 1913 and has progressed, they use the boom and bust cycle to get all the resources of pennies on the dollar.
europa 7 months ago
Winding down my ass! We are spending more on wars than when Bush was in office you democrap lying piece of shit!
ACORNSUCKS 7 months ago
The GDP gross domestic product calculation of a country is a shit calculation, it absolutely does not reflect what the objective of that calculation is aiming for. The Keynesian school of economics will only spell ruin for an economy. The Austran school specifcally Ludwig von Mises interpretation is an aproach that is more ethical and far more fair than any other.
dhebert111 7 months ago
@dhebert111 Its not quite that cut and dry dumbass! Name a country thats borrowed their way to prosperity?
ACORNSUCKS 7 months ago 2
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@ACORNSUCKS "Name a country thats borrowed their way to prosperity?"
Umm, The United States of America?
kingsdun 7 months ago
@ACORNSUCKS Cut and dry? there are none, it`s obvious you know nothing about what I am argueing and said nothing about borrowing, then you surpport my argument, thankyou by the way for agreeing with me. I`m sure it was a misinterpretation on your part, you have to read carefully, if it helps slow down and sound out the words you don`t understand. After you`re done with that, Listen to every debate that Ron Paul has to offer and you will eventually understand that there is a real solution.
dhebert111 7 months ago
@dhebert111 You have perfected the art of posting a long comment and saying nothing. Must be a future democrap politican.
ACORNSUCKS 7 months ago
@ACORNSUCKS Um...Democrats don't typically mention Ron Paul, dude...
TheMercilessEye 7 months ago
@ACORNSUCKS You`re not making any sense, and Dr. Paul is not a dem. from what I gather thats what you think?
dhebert111 7 months ago
@dhebert111 It's entirely possible he's just another idiot, dhebert... particularly given his reply to you...
TheMercilessEye 7 months ago
@TheMercilessEye Yea, your right, I take pity on people like that.
dhebert111 7 months ago
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@dhebert111
"The GDP gross domestic product calculation of a country is a shit calculation,"
Wow you sound so genteel and erudite, its a wonder you don't have some prestigious university named after you or something.
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
Here's your options in the 2012 election: Ron Paul and 2 years of depression followed by economic recovery...or EVERYONE ELSE and 10 more years of "recession" (depression-lite) and a loss of American sovereignty.
mule1969 7 months ago
@mule1969 great comment! That said, If we trash "free trade" and it's back stabbing effects to our economy it should boost our economy significantly. According to the Dylan Ratigan show, the tariffs rates are rigged 10 to 1 in favor of China (WTF). Fair trade and ripping out the red tape...we might pull out of it fairly quickly. Regardless, liquidation is an economic reality. RP2012 or bust.
Nutricidal 7 months ago 2
@Nutricidal
Damn straight America was built with protectionism.
American School of Economics ALL THE WAY!!
Salvysahagun 7 months ago
@mule1969
and eventually its even worse than the Ron Paul recession, we will be official slaves to the globalist in writing
europa 7 months ago
There is no need to "compromise". What's more is there is no need to engage in the same behavior (raising the debt ceiling, raising spending, raising taxes) and expect a different outcome. The only way to get the economy going again is to cut spending, restructure entitlements, and most of all...END ALL THE FUCKING WARS - foreign (War on Terror) AND domestic (War on Drugs). It's time to cut government...not our incomes.
mule1969 7 months ago
@Kenny123456ish
Are dimwits like Michele Bachmann, Virginia Foxx, Louie Gohmert, or family values, right wing hypocrites lie Larry Craig, David Vitter etc. acceptable?
Answer honestly here Kenny, if Franken were a member of the Tea Baggers would he then be OK?
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
@VernonKrudlik
god Democrats VS Republicans or progressives to shorten it up are fuckin retarted
all you debate is fallacies.....
You want taxes and govt volunteer your resources and quit being a coward and voting some mafia to shake down your neighbor
Al Franken is a great Comedian who believes fallacies or propaganda and spouts it like its truth hence debating fallacies
and how could Michelle Bachman be a "Tea Party" member if she is an EX IRS agent?
europa 7 months ago
@europa
I vote for the mafia and I debate fallacies and Michele's not a tea bagger. Not really getting what you are saying.
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
@VernonKrudlik
The fact that you say "Teabagger" alone is my point where did you pick up that little number Bill Maher Rachael maddow....,
when you vote for govt you vote for less freedom like a way table and force is the regulator of the allocation and re allocation of resources, you are debating fallacies when you say if this person was wearing another "Jersey" would like him so much or hate him so much.
your debating symptoms of a problem rather than problem its self
and its frustrating
europa 7 months ago
@europa
"where did you pick up that little number"
Didn't make it up, its what you people initially called yourself.
"when you vote for govt you vote for less freedom "
Absurd, take a civics class. You don't know what you are talking about
"when you say if this person was wearing another "Jersey"
Huh? Never said that
"and its frustrating"
You're frustrated because you're confused. Turn the computer off and have a nice lay down, you need it
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
@VernonKrudlik
you have alot opinion and no facts "civics boy".
Govt cannot produce wealth it only has the power to allocate and reallocate resources, simple.......
What funds govt?a private sector or the individuals, and when you tax you take away a piece of their past and limit the amount freedom when you limit the resources they can collect.
Govt feeds off production like a virus, it transfers wealth, because wealth is never destroyed nor created, its merely transferred and that is LIFE.
europa 7 months ago
Respond to this video...
I have never been to a tea party rally and I'm not a tea party person, though the original Tea Party was Ron Paul Liberty supporters than the GOP couldn't control it by fighting it. so they hijacked it you know "
if you cant beat em join em"
and gave them Sarah Palin Glenn Beck and now Michelle Bachman EX IRS AGENT a contradiction indeed
so TAX is theft and it steals your freedom to control your destiny, hence Dem and Rep are the same progressives
europa 7 months ago
@europa
"so TAX is theft and it steals your freedom to control your destiny, hence Dem and Rep are the same progressives"
Yeah, I don't know what to tell you. You could try living in Somalia, you should like the form of government there, or lack of it that is.
You may want to pack some food before you go.
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
@VernonKrudlik
so you repeat what I say then say something ridiculous like" live in Somalia"...? with no history of civil Liberties nor a constitutional republic, nor do they have private property rights.
Give me facts or just go away.
Makes sense that's why your home team is one side of a coin called democrats go get educated and quit spewing your propaganda to the rest of us.
adios
europa 7 months ago
@europa Name a technologically advanced, industrialized country that has lower taxes than we do. Name just one. And if you can't, I'd suggest you stop whining about taxes.
twiedenfeld 7 months ago
@twiedenfeld
thats like saying if some one was getting raped, its a better rape because you use lube and a condom, use thought behind your statements
you want adequate, I want a better future so grow up and look around see the unconstitutionality of the Govt, but you would need to read the constitution .................
europa 7 months ago
@europa
Dude, what the hell are you talking about. YOU posted to me. Then began ranting about "jerseys" and the mafia, are you high? I don't owe you anything.
And do you even pay taxes? When is the last time you held a job anyway, or taken a shower? Or are you just taking a break from your indiie grunge rock band to harass people with your incoherent gibberish from whatever public library you're posting from today?
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
@VernonKrudlik
its called interacting on a political issue and you have nothing to back up your position, so I was mistakened to believe you were capable of debate
and yes I pay plenty of taxes 30% of my income alone is enough to call rape not to mention the inflation tax and the other theft apparatus , and the shower comment shows the low brow in ya,
gibberish to one, is truth to another so read a book, you must be under the age of 25 for a "DUDE" comment via con dios mate
europa 7 months ago
@europa
I thought you were leaving. Was it my "mafia" and my "jersey" that made you come back? Dude?
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
@VernonKrudlik
exactly.
europa 7 months ago
@europa
I will pick and choose whom I will have a dialog with, not you. It should be obvious to you at this point I'm not interested in an exchange with someone who's non-sequitur laden rantings can't even quote me correctly.
So please, stop bothering me.
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
@VernonKrudlik
exactly............. again, ...for the second time............you keep engaging me you must hang on my every whim.
europa 7 months ago
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@europa
exactly............. again, ...for the second time............you keep engaging me you must hang on my every whim.
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
How about reading all the other emails now. The ones that read are you out of your minds?
Robsixtfour 7 months ago
Umm. you voted for the Iraq War, you hypocrite.
namehoela 7 months ago
@namehoela way to show right wing ignorence. franken was voted into office in 2008.
smithbrass 7 months ago
@smithbrass You're right. My bad. He did publically support the Iraq War, though. That's why i was confused. And i'm ignorant because i'm European, i guess.
namehoela 7 months ago
@namehoela Maybe you should worry about your own country before you worry about the United States.
ShadowCrashed81 7 months ago
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@ShadowCrashed81 Well, i want to move to the US because my country is beyond helpless. And as long as US foreign & monetary policy affects me, i feel that i have right to speak out about it.
namehoela 7 months ago
Why doesn't the camera ever show the empty room that the Senators are speaking to?
USAWoody 7 months ago
@USAWoody Because there mostly empty ...>_>
biggydx 7 months ago
Franken doesn't get it. If it's in a Republican plan it counts. If it's in a Social Democrat plan, it doesn't count. It becomes socialism.
Republicans must stand strong and make NO compromise. And when the economy gets worse, we blame Obama and get the Presidency in 2012.
HomleandSecurity 7 months ago
@HomleandSecurity
I don't think you were actually supposed to tell anyone.
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
@VernonKrudlik You could take out an ad in every paper in the nation and tell everyone in the world what our plan is, but the American people are too fucking stupid to figure it out even if we explain it to them. We will rob them fucking blind and convince them it's in their best interest.
HomleandSecurity 7 months ago
@HomleandSecurity
My god man, brilliant.
Don't forget to tell them is all about abortion and gay marriage first. And make sure you're wearing one of those tri-corner hats and waving one of those "don't tread on me" flags. And carry a bunch of miss-spelled signs like "keep yo big gubment hands offa my Medicare!" or pictures of Obama with a Nazi mustache.
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
@VernonKrudlik You realize we laugh at the people who hold those signs, right? We pass them out at rallies, trying not to laugh, but then we laugh at them later when they vote for us.
The social issues come in much later in the election cycle. We will be calling voters and asking questions like, "Would you be more or less likely to vote for Obama is you discovered he was born in Kenya?"
Don't worry, we have it covered.
HomleandSecurity 7 months ago
Al knows all about delays by recalcitrant Republicans.
PRIVATEAYEIEYE 7 months ago
I can't take this guy seriously.
wmd44110 7 months ago
@wmd44110
Why don't you stand up and tell the class exactly what your problem is?
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
@VernonKrudlik Dear teacher, I cannot take Al Franken seriously, because I am reminded of Stewart Smalley every time he opens his funny looking face.
wmd44110 7 months ago
@wmd44110
I see. Thank you. So it has nothing to do at all with what he was saying.
Is it safe assume you feel the same way about "Bed Time for Bonzo" Ronald Reagan and Arnold Schwarzenegger where he was pregnant in "Junior"?
And talking about a "funny looking face", have you ever noticed how George W Bush looks like a mentally challenged chimpanzee?
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
@VernonKrudlik I am too young for Reagan to remind me of much. Schwarzenegger always reminded me of Kindergarten Cop. As for G.W. Bush I noted some similarities, but in his case it was his speeches that I could not take seriously.
wmd44110 7 months ago
The rich want to balance the budget on the backs of the working class, cut social programs and services to balance the budget? OK, do that. Then, declare a tax emergency. Impose a 90% tax on the top 2% of Americans until the national debt is paid off in full. If they refuse to pay, throw them in prison. We already have 3 million poor Americans in prisons now, many there to make a profit for the rich. So put the rich in prison, see how they like that. Today it is a class war, let’s fight!
dalecs47 7 months ago 2
Winding down? My ass, 50,000 left in Iraq, 3 times the troops he started with in Afghanistan, also Libya, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, etc. etc... Obama isn't "winding down" anything, wake up Franken.
Ron Paul 2012
watch?v=3jcZIq9l1LE
iTellYouNoLie 7 months ago 2
@iTellYouNoLie
3 times?
Don't smoke crack and watch youtube videos at the same time.
Use your "freedom" to tell Ron Paul that we live in 2011 and not in 1850.
albatros12 7 months ago
@albatros12 - Exactly. Fuck this. There were 100,000's at the height of the war. I'd mathematically call going down to 50,000 as 'winding down'. Even a step in the right direction is somehow bad.
FixedNewsChannel 7 months ago
@albatros12 in Afghanistan, Obama started with 31,000 troops, escalated to 71,000 in 2009, then up to 98,000 by now, that's triple. not even mentioning contractors...
I'll use my freedom to tell you to do some homework before spouting nonsense.
iTellYouNoLie 7 months ago 2
@iTellYouNoLie
Ron Paul is a creationist.
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
@VernonKrudlik war is my partisan issue, I don't care if he worships the flying spaghetti monster, he's consistently anti-war, and troop movement is the only issue a president REALLY controls.
iTellYouNoLie 7 months ago
@iTellYouNoLie
Ron Paul is the crazy uncle who lives in the tool shed, who occasionally gets invited to the dinner table, (2012), for entertainment value. Just because he makes sense every once and awhile doesn't mean you buy into the rest of his delusions.
When you believe the earth is 6K years old your views on the environment, energy, economy, are dramatically skewed. In the 21st century, such medieval superstitions are embarrassing and dangerous.
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
@VernonKrudlik You seem to be confused. Ron Paul believes that gold has been used as money for over 6000 years. So obviously he doesn't think that "the earth is 6k years old".
namehoela 7 months ago
@namehoela
I see. How old does he say the earth is then? You understand he doesn't accept evolution? Are you suggesting there is some credible alternate scientific theory that doesn't incorporate evolution into its explanation?
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
@VernonKrudlik He doesn't accept the theory of evolution, and neither do i. That, however, doesn't mean that we don't believe in evolution.
namehoela 7 months ago
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@namehoela
"He doesn't accept the theory of evolution, and neither do i. That, however, doesn't mean that we don't believe in evolution."
Your logic is flawless. We're standing in the shadows of greatness. I'm trembling right now. You, sir, shall go down in history.
VernonKrudlik 7 months ago
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namehoela 7 months ago