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  • what exactly where they trying to do when the released this video.. stop all kinds of music imaganable, for ever??? lol what a joke. fuckin christian extremists

  • @KUPHSER It's funny how you obviously didnt even watch the beggining of the video when he specifically states how he is not trying to effect anyone's opinion on the matter of their choice of music, he simply points out quotes and known facts from people who's knowledge is way beyond yours and my own so before you start hating and talking shit about peoples religious beliefs watch the video your ranting about,and if you don't like it don't fucking talk simple as that.

  • @Dopee310 oh im sorry ive hurt your feelings.. i watched this video back in the 90s so dont assume i never seen the whole thing. even tho they say that at the begining its clear the message they are trying to get across and it is pathetic. truth is music is to be enjoyed for what it is no matter what style ur into. hells bells is a joke so put ur nappy back on and go to bed

  • Muse isn't even the root word of music

  • @TheSlendid hey dumb shit: read a dictionary . . . ORIGIN Middle English : from Old French musique, via Latin from Greek mousikē (tekhnē) ‘(art) of the Muses,’ from mousa ‘muse.’

  • Eric Holmberg is an 80's porn star

  • Much of Rando Rhode's music was classically based. You don't demonize classical music,,, but you demonize rock?

  • This makes christian rock musicians look really fucking stupid now, doesn't it?

  • @SlaytanicMegaforce Haha! Well said, my friend.

  • You know theres punk in the Bible, Ecclesiastes, Nehemiah 13, when jesus eats with the Pharissees.

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  • this fool looks like a part time musician

    get a haircut!!!!

    any song mentioning the devil

    omg that means half the songs ever

    also they dont quote certian parts of the satanic bible

  • The Angus Young quot eis a metaphore. it's like than you'r eon a bike.

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  • They`ll shackle you minds while your bent to the cross .

    i love it how they think that rock brainwashes people and that the church doesnt.

  • fuck this this is religus nuts trying to kill free will.

  • @ironmaiden66695 -God does give free will, Satan does not! It stinks that as a Christian the world is always trying to cram their beliefs down my throat. We try to spread a loving message and yet we get duck taped.....Why is that? Satan will take you whether you allow him or not!!

  • @bodom71 man cant have free will because everything we do we do for a reason. if there was any randomness to it and god truly didn't know what we would do then he couldn't know the future or attempt to change it with much effect but if god knows the future then we have no control over anything at all. for god to know the future and have created it like it is then he is responsible for every sin, every ounce of pain ever felt and every person in hell. god is either weak, evil or not real at all.

  • @renegadeskinninja ...So what your saying is God already predestined us to live sinful lives? I like the way you think but, you are mistaken. Yes God knows all things but, you have to understand that the earth was entrusted to man. And its because of man that its in the state it is in now. To blame God is like saying you blame yourself for your child screwing up their own life. You don't contol the way they live nor does God contol the way we live. You choose the lifestyle you want.

  • @santiago262 so what are you saying? that god isn't able to help us or that he doesn't wont to?

  • @renegadeskinninja He does help us if He did not satan and his demons would have killed us all by now because his ultimate goal is to destroy us and rule . God just does not want us to get spoiled and be heartless so we must do our part before God will do what we cannot do . Would you put your 33 year old childs shoes on for him because he throws a fit ? Then you don t and he blames you for the sores on his feet from walking around with no shoes on ? Make sense to you ? Stop blaming God .

  • @santiago262 God gave us the authority over the earth...totally correct but we gave that authority over to satan hence the garden of eden and now there is constantly a spiritual and physical battle going on . God is in control of the planet but because we do not understand how He does things we blame God as a scapegoat for our own sins or we just simply say because of all the problems there is no God when He asks us to use our authority to fight evil but no we must complicate everything *sigh*

  • @renegadeskinninja God gave us free will to love Him , WE choose good or evil , yes God knows everything and WE need to stop the evil because if God did it all for us WE would be spoiled and all go to hell because no one would care .The answer is in the bible and if WE reject it we send ourselves to hell as it is the way to heaven given to us by God. Every seed that is planted takes time to sprout , so for every evil deed done it takes time before destruction will befall you . Same with good .

  • @bodom71 oh wait, i think i read your comment wrong...meh oh well

  • I listen to instrumental slipknot what now efs

  • Benjamin Franklin's the DEVIL!!! I invented electricity

  • uh, god of air is satan? hmmm...

    Aether (also Æthere, Greek: Αἰθήρ), in Greek mythology, is one of the Protogenoi, the first-born elemental gods. He is the personification of the upper sky, space, and heaven, and is the elemental god of the "Bright, Glowing, Upper Air." He is the pure upper air that the gods breathe, as opposed to the normal air (Ἀήρ, aer) mortals breathe.

  • mojame100. YOU ASSHOLE! MUSLIMS DONT SLAUGHTER OR IRRELEVANT STUFF!

  • we need to be aware of the songs we listen to....

  • What about Country Music? Songs about drinking and cheatin' and the devil himself. Of course they aren't going to condemn Country. I bet there are people in this guy's church who actually make Country Music. Oh yeah: Anton LaVey was a carny and a grifter and he would be the first to admit it. The Church of Satan was a big put on, designed to make money. As is a huge amount of religion in general.

  • @MsGeek703 You didn't watch the video carefully and in a thoughtful manner. The video presentation specifically states at 7:37, "Of course any style of music can be perverted by evil. Many of the elements this presentation examines are found in other musical forms as well. The reason for our focus on Rock is both its unparalled popularity and the manner in which it has given place to evil."

    Moreover, Anton LaVey was an atheist, in a sense you're right, his religion -- atheism -- is a con.

  • @ytuseruber perhaps,then,the opposite is true?Perhaps Rock and roll can be used for good(some,depending on lyrics)

  • @MsGeek703 Maybe you didnt watch the video? Maybe, thats why at about 7:40 of the video, he states"any kind of music can be perverted by evil". "Many of the elements found in this presentation are found in other forms of music as well". Just sayin'.....

  • This is so fucking stupid I cannot even imagine how they thought this shit would fly.

  • Funny how so many famous rockers/rappers sing about violence, sex, drugs, and satanism... and singers who try to spread a positive message (many of whom change their message over their careers)--artists like Bob Marley, Tupac, & Michael Jackson--often are attacked by the media, and die tragic, early deaths...

  • 8:09 OMG Overkill fuck yeah!!!!!! Overkill rocks haha thrash till death!

  • HAHAHAHAHA "SATAN WAS IN CHARGE OF MUSIC IN HEAVEN" hahahahahaha

    These were excellent performances

  • I think more than rock music, religion has been manipulating people for thousand of years. I Think politics and religion are the same.

  • i grow up to this.

    now i am SLAAAYER fan \m/

  • @pavko965

    slayer is even worse than stupid point of this documentary

    and ofcourse.. not counted as rock bend ...especially not rock n roll

  • @pavko965 SLAAAAYYYYYYYYERRRRRRRRRRRR!!!­!!!!!!!!!!

  • honestly im only watching this video to laugh at how stupid people can be, and spotting bands I like. Metallica!!

  • same here trying to find the Boc tune your not the one

  • Rock music kills very few people, and actually has served as a center of the Vietnam War peace movement.... while religion often starts wars, or inquisitions, or witch hunts.

  • @Monponsett More have been killed in the name of Jesus Christ than have been saved by him.

  • @Irishtupperware Prove that.

  • @mojame100 The crusades, Spanish Inquisition, Arab/Israeli conflicts through the years, Ulster Protestants vs Irish Catholics ... I could go on indefinatly

  • @Irishtupperware

    Really? Arab/Israeli conficts are over Jesus????

    Protestant VS Catholic was was more over tradition rather than Jesus.

    But instid over going back that far, what about now? I wonder how many have been killed due to the religion that Mahammod came with?

  • @mojame100 Maybe I should have phrased my original quotation " Religion has killed more people than it has saved". Maybe not so much Jesus himself.

    Christians have been trying to force their beliefs down everyone's throat since time immemorial.

  • @Irishtupperware

    Well see, there you go, Just like all other so called Atheist, It's only Christianity! I wonder why you people don't speak out against Islam. I never see any country like those who sway so to the left and yet be tolerant of Muslim rule according to Sharia law. They even have their own courts in the UK; so why no puritan courts???

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  • @Irishtupperware

    You say “they force”, well unless you mean knocking on your door for a chat I guess you can always shut the door in there face, but if you live in the Middle East and don’t summit to the Islamic faith you get the rope or the Ax!

    So, do you really believe that Christians are forcing you to submit to Jesus?

  • @mojame100 When I say "force", I'm referring to people like ex-Pres Bush imposing his beliefs on everybody ie stem cell research/ abortion

  • @Irishtupperware

    Ok I understand what you're saying, but what about the communist we have in the White House today; forcing his agenda on the American people??? I.e. forced to buy healthcare, trillion dollar bailouts, and being an apologist on behalf on the United States?? And also I don't blame Bush at all for defunding abortion, Have we not thrown too much of are future out the window already?????

  • @mojame100 I'm not going to defend Obama, I'm not a supporter of his.

    Bush may not have been a supporter of abortion, but don't legislate your own morality upon everybody who may not have the same beliefs. Same for stem-cell research, that's the one that really smokes my shorts.

  • @Irishtupperware

    Ok, good you don't have to bee I tool for the far left, and no, I'm not one from the far right. Well stem-cell research is one thing, taking the life of a fetus is another.

  • @listenupeverybody that's quite possibly the strangest logic I've ever encountered

  • anytime you look at anything fun through the lens of religion it appears to have the "devil's finerprints", like weed or masturbation.

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  • THERE IS A TYPO IN THE VIDEO @ 6:17- 2 PETER 2:9 IS INCORRECT

    THE CORRECT SCRIPTURE IS 2 PETER 2:19

  • This is a load of crap

  • nope its a neurological and aural thing this stuf is bullshit

  • you can't talk about Joanie Mitchell for a rocknroll thing...

  • God has given us free will thats part of the power of his grace we choose what we fill our minds with. Not all rock music glorifies satan, I believe Celine Dions music is more harming - lol. This video is really is legalistic crap it portrays christians as being boring and non christians as being able to have more fun

  • "Imagine there's no Heaven" not so easy when you try while you're in hell. The Beatles aren't that great anyway, satanic or not.

  • what is being said is that once upon a time these guys felt a physical movement from rock and now they are (saved) so they think that feeling is satan sinking his claws in. whatever.i will admit that pop culture,meaning music, movies,ect..does affect people but i believe its ignorance rather than the devil! and i am in no way satanic!

  • note the Air Jordan shoes, his number 23, playing in the chicago bulls.

  • Religion is so stupid. Its all bull shit. We all would be better off without it. John Lennon said it best in "Imagine"

  • @imaginepeace1940 Lennon? the one who said he didn't write any song that wasn't in witchcraft? oh yea...

  • @signofthehammer First of all Lennon was not Pagan, he was an athiest. He never said anything about witchcraft sir. He did write some music high on LSD but never ever said anything about witchcraft. Sorry

  • @imaginepeace1940 don't be sorry, I check what I say, that's why I say it. I don't really care if you are unable to check info for yourself. Peace

  • @signofthehammer your so confident its true, where did you get your info??? The only one that was religious was george harrison and he was hindu, most christians think thats pegan anyways. Get your facts right for fuck sakes!!!

  • @imaginepeace1940 im against this but too say that g.harrison isthe ONLY religious rock star is a pretty bold statement,dontcha think?

  • @profojcr51 seems that they ceompletely forgot BLACK SABBATH. at least tony and ozzy are christians

  • I'm christian and I think this is B.S. and it pisses me offthis documentary!!!!!!!!

  • @gnt897

    Perhaps then your not really a true Christian. Just someone that calls themselves that and wears the false face of one. I suppose all of the evidence that was presented is false eh?

  • @macavery3 - the devil believes in God, does not make him a Christian. A Christian is someone with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, thus making a believer in Christ despise stuff like this. Jesus said you cannot serve two masters. He will love the one & hate the other. He will embrace one and reject the other. Friendship with the world is being an enemy of God.

  • @evilunixuser1 wow nice to see one other christian know what they are talking about

  • lol at the spirit stuff this is ridiculous lmfao stupid christian turds

  • 2 Corinthians 4:3,4- And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. He who has ears let him hear.

  • Lol well the quote "Satan can disguise himself as an angel of light" rasies the question of wheather "Jesus" himself was Satan to begin with?

  • @Zoulvisia actually no it doesn't because if you have ever have read scripture and remember anything about it that question is addressed and proven wrong, a kingdom can not stand divided against itself

  • Yeah really...

    MUSIC MANIPULATES our MINDS!

  • I see from these posts that rock and roll has done its job

  • So so many fallicies, so little time.

    I want to make a parody video of this series, i think i might.

  • Hell, I'll subscribe right now!

  • So dont just say it,PROVE it. The've given you all the sorces sooo PROVE IT! I've done my own research and I'm Sorry To Bust Your Bubble But 99% of It Pans Out. These Words Come From Thier Quotes, dont Hate cause he just past them on.

  • the nature of logical fallacies is you can't really "disprove them" any more than you can expose them. I'm too bored of this topic to point them out, but look up "top 25 logical fallicies" if you want to know what to look for.

  • good idea i would totally watch it

  • This is the funniest brainwashing documentary ever made!

  • i want your love and your lover's revenge --you and me could write a bad romance

  • lol......God is rubbish

  • i am a firm believer in god and christ but i think its comunists when people like this try to tell us what to listen to and how to act.and besides god gave rock and roll to you and put it in the soul of everyone.long live rock

  • i completely agree with you this is actually funny

  • Where also the same people who care about rights for all people and animals and a world with no goverment or laws and world without relgion

    I don't mind if people have a belif just dont put it on me or have it interfering with my own belifs or the way I live my life

    I think the true meaning of life is to live it to the full not to be praising somthing that isn't EVER going to ever help you in anyway

  • the same people who laugh at videos like this probably drink beer every night, dont care too much for god, and think singing songs about the devil is just entertainment.

  • overkill ftw!

  • So before his fall, Satan was likely the master of music in heaven?

    Hahhahahahahahhahahahahahahaha­hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha­hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!! These nutty religionists are always good or a laugh.

  • Satan doesnt exist.

  • how many assholes do u thing watched this and then beat their kids for wearing metallica tshirts?

  • Probably less than the people that beat their kids while wearing metallica T-shirts...

  • As a christian we all hope Holmberg has truly repented but the fact he trickly hides his involving with Maranatha and never admit any wrongdoings really alert me. I want all christians be careful, Bible predicts many false prophet will deceive people even chosen ones. Please be careful false prophet. I don't mean Holmberg is 100% false prophet, We all want Holmberg truly repent and want to know why he continues to lie about his background

  • I know holmberg since 1983, when someone questioned his Maranatha doctrine, he often used the phrase "You have a problem" and if you not believe in me, please LEAVE Maranatha church. This is absolutely TRUE statement from Evil Holmberg's month. If I lie this statement, God please punish me. No pastor on earth can say that except him. I personally know Holmberg very well. Even Devil pretend to be holy angel, Bible accurately predict false prophet would emerge, praise the lord

  • Watch part one. There is an answer at your words. He tells that he doesn't force anyone to stop listening rock music.

  • May it be that the only thing to fear about socalled Satan is that you might fall for his temptations, him showing you something no-no but which you want..

    And if you fall for this, walk into the trap, you lose.. fail.

    Real strenght is not sucking a tit, it is the strength within yourself, to not need to leech on whatever looks like strength - just not your own.

  • i don't get how ANYONE could believe in the biblical storys of satan and god...they just make no sense at all. i was a christian for 21 years and looking back i think "what the hell was i thinking? how did i not see the stupidity in all this?" indoctrination, i guess...lack of knowledge of the world, people, psychology, science...only getting my info from the christian point of view...

  • Probably you're a great now. Without any rules in life

  • why would you think that i don't have any rules? or that i'm "a great"?

    did you even think about that before you wrote it?

  • It seemed to me after I read your post. I'm sorry:You shouldn't tell that chtistianity is stupid. May you not have a right. Science can't understand everything.

  • how many times have i watched this, and hells bells 2, i wonder.

  • The masking, the artists admitting, the apparent observations... It's all there. You can choose to not believe but it won't change the truth. After having my own NDE/OBE experience, i no longer listen to music that dosn't glorify god or use the old testament wars as an excuse to neglect the truth i bore witness to. Life has a whole new meaning now. I know God isn't just love but wrath and such as mentioned in the bible. He is to be feared in order to gain wisdom according to scripture.

  • I cant belive this christian propaganda. I feel bad for all the kids that are missing out on bands like Borgir, or according to this guy, FUCKING ZEPPLIN!!!!!!! This guy is an asshole. I hope something bad happened to him after this.

  • if you don't hear Dimmu Borgir you're not missing out on much. but this guy is a douchebag,

  • Look at your message. Don't you see that it doesn't make sense ? Everyone can do it.

  • "luminous beings are we not this crude matter" - yoda, the star wars

  • yeh unfortunately i thiny so, i used to rlly liek their music and still kinda on soem days just want to bust out one fo their tunes....however if their music didnt sound good we woudlnt listen, so the posion is wrappe in cake so to speak. In one fo their songs they are having a conversation with the devil - called devisl dance... its like a conversation back and forth. so yeh they are stay away u will actuallly feel better in the long run

  • wow, this video has pretty much said that almost all of my favorite bands are satanic and evil, they only left out Rush and the Eagles so far I think...so yeah, I think this video is full of crap.

    LONG LIVE ROCK MUSIC!

  • Oh, they get to it, just watch all the parts.

  • Oh, yup they mention Rush in here. I got to the part with Rush, and their 2112 song and I stopped watching. Not because I was mad really, but because I had a sudden urge to listen to that song...Oh no I must be possessed now! lol. Looks like I'm goin to hell with everyone else who loves rock music.

    Thanks for tellin me :D

  • For those who have ears, listen to what the spirit says to the churches. You will know them by their fruits. I love rock and roll, but honestly, I am beginning to see that there is something not biblical about it. It will be har d to out it off but I CHOOSE LIFE

    Pick a side people LIFE OR DEATH there is not in between. God does not want us to be lukewarm Christians.

  • By choosing life i assume you mean music since nothing in this world is more destructive than religion.

  • I Love Rock n Roll and I love God...and I think the reason that God created Man is to make this World a better place...it doesnt matter what you listen, see or dress its what you do and believe that matters because there are and were religious people and familys that have turned into serial killers and killed people and lots of other shit you want prove i got only ONE.....Ed Gein ;D

  • Christians shouldn't be singing rock in the first place. When they sing songs it should be for the Glory of God and not to sell albums.

  • Well if Rock music is Satanic, god gotta step his music game up coz Christian rock just blows donkey dick.

  • well said. The real evil is the pernicious doctrines prevalent in Christianity- especially the notion of exclusivity that it's either Jesus or Hell. Christianity is wreaked havoc on humanity- it is a pathetic and destructive set of absurd beliefs.

  • 7:33 That very possibly before [Satan's] fall, he was the leader of music in Heaven.

    So Heaven was one big moshpit, the angels smoking and gambling?As on Sabbath's 1st album with Ronnie James Dio?

    Was Satan up there in The Clouds with a Marshall stack that went to "11" and hair down to his ass? With Jesus turning water into wine and playing bass guitar. Gabriel was on drums?

    Yeah, I could see why God kicked him out. No sleep, no sleep, no sleep.

    Seriously.

    Get

    A

    Life

    !!!

  • This people can't have it both ways, it would seem no form of music can be positive. If not Hendrix, the Joni Mitchel? No. Well then AC/DC can't be bad. They can? Well then the mellow sounds of David Crosby are okay, right? No? Then perhaps John McGlaughlin's progressive jazz is wholesome,right? NO!

    Wendy o and Plasmatics, awful!

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  • I meant 8:08, shitfaced!!! this band probably sucked to most!! long live thrash!!!

  • 6:08 whatever happened to these guys? Overkill kicked ass!!!

  • the matrix : hidden meanings behind music lol

  • Yep - Hollywood's War on God - I have the dvd.

  • Best documentary on youtube. THANX!

    93/93

  • In this matrix our minds are the " physical chamber " which neo is unplugged from.

  • it's like we are in the Matrix, but that when we realise the truth, we are unplugged like in the film and then the enemy's forces start to try to track us and kill us. Deep!

  • 2:00 whoa, this guy just blew my mind

  • music is no bad but the lyrics make it bad and dangerous

  • wow! this video just opened my eyes....i'm gonna throw away all my "blasphemous" cds...deicide, mayhem, akercocke..........lol

  • All the quotes from musicians make total sense to me - the religious and biblical ones make no sense to me at all.

  • Where's the Darwinist version?

  • HEY HEY! The Cramps made it! Awesome!

  • ...... Lucifer is not the devil, he was Jehovah's judge of men. He was a good guy! It's not our fault he has better music than the christian deity.

  • Don't believe the lie mechanized - Lucifer/satan is the ACCUSER of men - God is Judge.

    Look these up

    1 Peter 5:8

    Ephesians 2:2

    Revelation 12:9

    John 13:27

    Zechariah 3:1

    Job chapters 1,2

  • Satan was in charge of heaven's music department before he was cast out? That's a new one. Kinda funny actually, I snorted out loud. I feel queasy just listening to this guy but with quotes like "...before we dust rock music for satan's fingerprints..." was worth watching this video.

  • How the fucking hell does the Jazz chick say the same thing as Angus, yet the Jazz chick gets it off easy yet Angus they automatically think Satan? What if the Jazz lady's possessor is possessing Angus? Does it have to be Satan? You sorry little christ fucking faggots

  • BWAHAHAHAHA!! Check out the guy in the bottom left!! Comes in right after the scary girl @ 4:50 BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!!

  • Too bad you know nothing about me, you incompetent fool. For a Christian, you sure do judge and point fingers.

    Also, i really could care less about your sob story. Been there, already. And got through it without your "god".

    I was a devout Christian, a Free Evangelist, then i opened my mind. I believe it's naive to personify a force beyond the realm of human understanding as god. It's childish.

    Oh, by the way, i won't let some regular dead guy rule my life. That's slavery of the mind.

  • God = Non-existent

    Rock and roll = Existent

    Therefore, Rock and Roll > God

  • GREAT STATEMENT.

  • Nephilim145,

    YOU CAN'T KILL ROCK AND ROLL

    especially god or the pope or fucking idiots like you

  • sorry dude, was already down the road of a "Believer". You know where that got me...can ya guess? Nowhere buddy. Just made me depressed by trying to be a perfect for your "god" and not feeling worthy.

    Thanks. Your religion is WONDERFUL!! ^_~

  • wow...you make me laugh!

    I LAUGH IN YOUR GENERAL DIRECTION!!!

  • lol monty python good one

  • this is such christian propaganda bullshit

  • satan used bush!

  • OVERKILL!!!

  • like we said, the story is "god according to god."

    how is one born again if the desire to worship comes afterwards? that doesn't seem to follow.

    saying, "of course man has a soul" doesn't demonstrate the truth of the statement, it just restates it.

    so your god was speaking through his son, who is himself, metaphorically. love was around before jesus, he didn't bring much to the table. in california the debate over 8 is about love, yet jesus is reaffirmed loudly to be on the anti-love side.

  • there is question about it. are you being metaphorical or literal. if worship is food for the soul, does that just mean some souls never get hungry? if not it's a bad metaphor, ultimately just begs the question of the existence of a soul.

    through the heart? why not through the liver or lungs? are you being literal or metaphorical? like we said, the idea that the heart is somehow special comes from a period when people didn't understand anatomy, let alone neurology. come on, the firmament even.

  • that desire to worship is not innate, it stems from the superstition that must be cultivated through regular brainwashing. your explanation begs the question that one must worship at all.

    through the heart? literally or metaphorically? because the root of the emphasis placed on the heart is itself born of superstition. it just pumps blood. it's no prefrontal cortex.

    your book says it's true... so it must be true? the same argument is applicable to every religious text and piece of propaganda.

  • it certainly doesn't take money to grasp the superfluousness of a god. it's far more difficult a task inventing the justifications for a need for god.

    if christ was actually speaking for god, or himself, or both, then he probably shouldn't have thrown out words like impossible. isn't god, according to god, suppose to be the epitome of possible?

    strictly speaking its more possible jesus, had he existed, was the bastard son of an adulterer... at least there actually are rich religious people.

  • on this topic i can only look to Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett's fantastic novel, Good Omens:

    "Listen," said Crowley (the demon)desperately. "how many musicians do you think your side have got, eh? First grade, I mean...We got Beethoven, Brahms, all the Bachs, Mozart, the lot. Can you imagine eternity with Elgar?"

    Aziraphale (the angel) shut his eyes. "All too easily," he groaned.

    at least the music will be better in hell. i doubt they'll be much dancing going on in heaven.

  • that's very liberal paraphrasing to say the least. ultimately depends on the emphasis of which parts of which things your christ character supposedly said... though even in your sloppy translation the contradiction is there...

    "you're either an evil sinner that deserves the worst eternal suffering or a friend, but you know, i don't judge... either way..."

    tell us you don't see the problem with saying two diametrically opposed statements side by side.

    that's the epitome of judging.

  • ...a philosophy held by many despots throughout the centuries... often the rallying cry used to legitimize injustice and rationalize otherwise insane acts.

  • you haven't read the book, have you?

    there really isn't anything more vindictive than what god chose to do to the antediluvians... they weren't the first or last to experience your god's petty nature.

    like we said, free will? if your god knows everything, created everything, then what every person has isn't free will... just the illusion of it from our perspective. in your book your god can and does go around talking to people... breaking this myth of free will repeatedly.

    keep your prayers.

  • we've been down this line of argument before, but you didn't listen before.

    even if one is to accept the crazy fairy tale as true, god is still a jerk. seriously sit down and read your book. there was nothing, suddenly there was everything. god made suffering, death, destruction, hell, heartache, pain, sickness, and all manner of ungoodness... yet is suppose to be the embodiment of everything good.

    he drowns the world... no good person could side with a maliciously vindictive deity like that.

  • no, a fool is one who will believe something regardless of its veracity, then spend their time congratulating themselves while blaming others for their problems, real and imagined.

    think about it. how is the person that doesn't just believe unquestioning that a boat full of every conceivable species of animal rode on an enormous ship for 40 days and 40 nights a fool? retain a little perspective here.