wtf. Now Obamas ok with torture? Will he prosecute himself? And hasn't the cancer on mcains face killed him yet? It looks like a demon grapefruit growing there.
Under the Obama admin terrorist Ali al-Marri plead guilty yesterday and made a full confession. The Bush admin was never able to get this guy to confess even with all their torture tactics. Look it up. :)
thats both bullshit and extremely offensive dude. we don't want it to happen again, thats why most of us AGREE with waterboarding and torture... you lefties want it to happen again or you're just being stupid and letting them do it again, you're choice
its cruel and inhumane and most experts say it dont work. the FBI would do a good job befriending and relationship building and rewarding is the best way to go. and im not a lefty.
Ill leave it in the hands of my friends in uniform. They will not randomly pick up and beat every one they see on or near a battle fieild .This who isue was created by communists to break the US. They won't release the photos 'cause there is nothing to see. Obama and his disciples get more mileage frm the myth than the fact. Kinda like climate change . Democrats and cmmies are all about image and bullshit
All these republican arguments about torture investigation being about retribution, partisanship or vengeance would make a lot more sense if they weren't coming from the people who prosecuted Clinton for lying about a blow job!
savebury--You're 100% right about these hypocrite republicans.
Henry Hyde, the wife-cheating dog who led the attack to impeach Clinton was forced to resign when his adulterous affair he was having for years ... became National News !!
there both important subject dude. do you really want someone who lies all across america AND under oath to be you're president dude. Maybey it was a stupid subject but when you do something like that, president or not you will be prosecuted
amen bro god the left wing is both socialist and stupid. Would you rather pore some water down someones throught who could have knowledge of terrorist attacks on america or just ask them? how many people were waterborded that in american history. 3
During the Vietnam war, the North Vietnamese army should have tortured and executed all the nazi imperialist ameriKKKan COWARD war criminal prisioners instead of letting them returned back to the states, now these same nazi U.S bastards COWARD dogs and their rat filthy offsprings committed more war crimes again.
so. mccain lost another battle. with his own party. what a loser. we've only his say so, though, that he didn't agree then. sure he says it now. and now he's against the prosecution. if he was so against the torture, fought with the bush white house about it, why is he so against the prosecution? if it was wrong, it was wrong. there's no waffling. unless, of course, you're john mccain. it's what he does.
ITS OFFICIAL!!! I now despise Barack Obama more than George W. Bush. He refuses to appoint a special prosecutor to punish Bush for his illegal WIRE TAPPING and TORTURING ways. Its becoming real clear that our government tortured detainees not for information but for forced confessions. This is the perfect way to purge out our most corrupt officials both Dem and Rep.There is no way Obama will ever get anything done with the gangster leadership we have now. Lets see if "BO" wants real change
This is not about left and right, this is about right and wrong. The law is the law. The law does not care about parties. The Attorney General must follow his job description, investigate and prosecute where crimes are found. The congress must follow it's job description and do the same. We must affirm to ouselves and show the rest of the world we are a nation of laws.
Bring in General Miller and the 24 members of the "Tiger Team", ask them what they were teaching at Abu Ghraib. What contractors were giving orders to enlisted personel? The link between Guantanamo and Abu Gharaib is what the torture advocates are hiding from. All of the politicians in Washington and all the policy makers at the Pentagon that declared "Bad Apples" must be brought to task. Thank God for former Brig. General Janis Karpinski she is going to be very important in this investigation.
The following nine were the scapegoated soldiers that were sold down the river by the Bush Administration. They continue to be sold out by all of those who still try to defend the indefensible.... Cpl. Charels A. Graner Jr., Pfc. Lynndie England, Staff Sgt. Ivan Frederick II, SPC. Javal S. Davis, Spc. Jeremy Sivits, Spc. Sabrina Harman, Spc. Megan Ambuhl, Spc. Armin J. Cruz Jr., Spc. Roman Krol.... America should be angry that these soldiers have taken all the blame for Abu Ghraib alone.
legal advise... those lawyers were not giving legal advise, they were helping the Bush/Chaney administration to legalize torture.. there's a difference. and what a fucken hypocrite mccain is.. i remember his ass standing at the same spot years ago talking against torture.. age just makes people care less, that's why we need to stop electing old ass stupid farts like mccain.
He's President McCain in his own brain. Criminalize legal advice? What about legalizing criminal advice? Does Genius John have any idea how bereft of intelligent ideas he and his party have become? Naw, didn't think so.
If Obama and the Dems truly believe that it was "torture" and "criminal" and that those responsible should be prosecuted, they would be going after those who authorized it and carried it out. Notice how that's not happening because the Dems authorized it too.
So let's pick a scapegoat group...the attorneys. This is so retarded, it's unbelievable.
Obama, grow some balls and stop playing politics.
He's an ordinary politician concerned only about the polls.
McCain is the biggest hypocrite and liar in Washington. He was whining about torture before his presidential aspirations, and now he doesn't want anyone involved with it punished. You two faced piece of shit, go back to the nursing home and shit your pants some more.
Bad for future presidents? This is exactly what is needed for the future presidents: when they start considering the use of torture, they need to know that there will be consequences.
For those who think we somehow lower ourselves to the level of those attempting to murder innocents by forcefully extracting any information out of suspects in order to protect the innocent, do we also lower ourselves to the level of criminals by forcefully kidnapping suspects and holding them against their will to protect the innocent?
Motive is important when judging actions. We may error. But we live in a world where nothing is clearly black and white and trade offs force us to make difficult choices, in order to protect the choices of the innocent; the freedom to be innocent.
On some level, then ends have to justify the means. To protect my own life, I have to be willing to take life. It's not a comfortable fact, but neither is the natural state of the world.
We are not in danger of a terrorists. That's bullshit. It was two buildings. Not even a city. Not even with their own weapons. Not even with an army because they don't have a bloody army. Why are we acting as if they are the scariest people on earth? That sure as hell doesn't scare me. And it obviously wasn't hard to stop 9/11. The warnings were ignored and just brushed aside.
Yeh btown,but they found nano thermatic material in the debris so they didn't know that the building was wired to blow up either.That is why I think it is scary that we haven't caught these people .We are finding out now that KSM was waterboarded over 180 times.The phrase forced confession comes to mind.Remember when he was supposed to admit to the act in front of military judges and he got up there and wouldn't admit to it?How many times do you think he got waterboarded for that?Its all sick
Do not pay attention to the torture issue, its is a fake-feint to distract us from the real issue, the economy. Obama changes his mind in 25 hours? Obama will hang those dems out about water boarding like Nancy Pelosi. When you see 2 Trillion dollars written off that does not exist something is wrong, like catastrophe wrong. Paulison, Bernanke and Geithner are whom we need to be watching. Keep focused on the loss of jobs, TARP, bank takeovers, the Govt involvement with the credit card Co.
Anti-American? Okay, let's tickle the people with intentions to hurt us...hopefully...they'll give us the answers??? I'd much rather prevent the death of a fellow American than save the soul of an enemy.
It's not illegal...they aren't protected under the Geneva Convention because they didn't sign it. Also, were they wearing their countries military uniforms? No. So, why do we give them so many rights? Enemies to our country and you seek to protect them? Where does your allegiance lie?
My allegiance lies on the principles this country was founded on. How are we different from Cuba, Venezuela, China in their persecutions of innocent civilians? True, armed efforts against us should be stopped with swift action. But can you ensure that the person you are torturing is guilty? What if he is not? It is a small price you may say.. so how many people can we damage in our pursuits and still consider ourselves innocent? 1? 4? 19? 100? God forbid people adopt your views. Or we're done.
If the government is allowed to change the definition of these things and to make the most horrendous acts sound flufffy and glittery, how long will it be until these things are done to our own citizens?
Obeying illegal orders is also a crime, so everyone who passed the order along and carried it out would have to be held responsible.
Saying the government is so corrupt that it would take a year or more to clean it up is a bad excuse to turn a blind eye. This may be a witch hunt now for political goals, but will still stop future torture.
Torturing is torturing and against the Geneva convention, and basic human rights. Torturing the english language, isnt going to change the act.
In banana republics they torture people too. Could they try pick some other stuff to say when defending an administration that looted our money, spied on us, tortured people to make they say stuff...
so i guess we shouldn't hunt down ex-Nazi or Gestapo members now? since they were part of a "previous" power...hey...they were only following orders. the double standard of the conservatives has reached an all time low. its like those republicans that oppose gay marriage, then get caught in bathhouses or picking up male prostitues. do as we say...not as we do!! glad this moron and his alaskan whore aren't our leaders.
McCain said i didn't agree with there techiques.I am sick of moderates like McCain it;s time for him to be challenged by a conserv ative like J.D Hayworth.Ubama happened because of RHINOS like McCain weaking the republican party.We also need termlimits top prevent the Franks ,Dodd's McCain's from being in power for decades.Enough of this crap
Yes right after they let a warning that "bin laden determined to strike" pass. They kept us so safe by grabbing some 14yr old boy and people on their way to a wedding. And invading a country that did not and could not do s*** to us. And don't forget the domestic spying.
Yeah, Obama is a socialist for having fix the mess of the previous admin'. Hows that working out for ya'll so far?
wtf. Now Obamas ok with torture? Will he prosecute himself? And hasn't the cancer on mcains face killed him yet? It looks like a demon grapefruit growing there.
SurvivalWithBushcraf 2 years ago
what a fraud. now he's pro-torture...
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Under the Obama admin terrorist Ali al-Marri plead guilty yesterday and made a full confession. The Bush admin was never able to get this guy to confess even with all their torture tactics. Look it up. :)
MeanieMuff 2 years ago
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4u2b1ib12 2 years ago
suck ass mccain, you signed off on these "techniques" under bush.
mratchik 2 years ago
you know republicans want it to happen agian just so they can feel smug about being right
savebury 2 years ago
thats both bullshit and extremely offensive dude. we don't want it to happen again, thats why most of us AGREE with waterboarding and torture... you lefties want it to happen again or you're just being stupid and letting them do it again, you're choice
lllFATASSCATlll 2 years ago
its cruel and inhumane and most experts say it dont work. the FBI would do a good job befriending and relationship building and rewarding is the best way to go. and im not a lefty.
electricguitarplayr 2 years ago
Ill leave it in the hands of my friends in uniform. They will not randomly pick up and beat every one they see on or near a battle fieild .This who isue was created by communists to break the US. They won't release the photos 'cause there is nothing to see. Obama and his disciples get more mileage frm the myth than the fact. Kinda like climate change . Democrats and cmmies are all about image and bullshit
hamace 2 years ago
All these republican arguments about torture investigation being about retribution, partisanship or vengeance would make a lot more sense if they weren't coming from the people who prosecuted Clinton for lying about a blow job!
savebury 2 years ago
savebury--You're 100% right about these hypocrite republicans.
Henry Hyde, the wife-cheating dog who led the attack to impeach Clinton was forced to resign when his adulterous affair he was having for years ... became National News !!
librophile 2 years ago
there both important subject dude. do you really want someone who lies all across america AND under oath to be you're president dude. Maybey it was a stupid subject but when you do something like that, president or not you will be prosecuted
lllFATASSCATlll 2 years ago
Wateroboarding terrorists is always right, it saves people's lives from these killers, remember 9/11 and don't let it happen again.
You know liberals want it to happen again, that's why they're against waterboarding terrorists.
motherlegion6 2 years ago
amen bro god the left wing is both socialist and stupid. Would you rather pore some water down someones throught who could have knowledge of terrorist attacks on america or just ask them? how many people were waterborded that in american history. 3
lllFATASSCATlll 2 years ago
During the Vietnam war, the North Vietnamese army should have tortured and executed all the nazi imperialist ameriKKKan COWARD war criminal prisioners instead of letting them returned back to the states, now these same nazi U.S bastards COWARD dogs and their rat filthy offsprings committed more war crimes again.
BruceLeeKickYoAss4 2 years ago
Bruce Lee was an American born citizen ...so by your stupid comment ... you just insulted HIS leagacy.
You're a MORON!!
librophile 2 years ago
so. mccain lost another battle. with his own party. what a loser. we've only his say so, though, that he didn't agree then. sure he says it now. and now he's against the prosecution. if he was so against the torture, fought with the bush white house about it, why is he so against the prosecution? if it was wrong, it was wrong. there's no waffling. unless, of course, you're john mccain. it's what he does.
hobnailrose 2 years ago
Yeh, I totally hear that. Mccain is an old weird puppet of the republican party which was was made clear as day during the election.
qualityrkc 2 years ago
ITS OFFICIAL!!! I now despise Barack Obama more than George W. Bush. He refuses to appoint a special prosecutor to punish Bush for his illegal WIRE TAPPING and TORTURING ways. Its becoming real clear that our government tortured detainees not for information but for forced confessions. This is the perfect way to purge out our most corrupt officials both Dem and Rep.There is no way Obama will ever get anything done with the gangster leadership we have now. Lets see if "BO" wants real change
onerpone 2 years ago
This is not about left and right, this is about right and wrong. The law is the law. The law does not care about parties. The Attorney General must follow his job description, investigate and prosecute where crimes are found. The congress must follow it's job description and do the same. We must affirm to ouselves and show the rest of the world we are a nation of laws.
ushadrons 2 years ago 2
Bring in General Miller and the 24 members of the "Tiger Team", ask them what they were teaching at Abu Ghraib. What contractors were giving orders to enlisted personel? The link between Guantanamo and Abu Gharaib is what the torture advocates are hiding from. All of the politicians in Washington and all the policy makers at the Pentagon that declared "Bad Apples" must be brought to task. Thank God for former Brig. General Janis Karpinski she is going to be very important in this investigation.
ushadrons 2 years ago
The following nine were the scapegoated soldiers that were sold down the river by the Bush Administration. They continue to be sold out by all of those who still try to defend the indefensible.... Cpl. Charels A. Graner Jr., Pfc. Lynndie England, Staff Sgt. Ivan Frederick II, SPC. Javal S. Davis, Spc. Jeremy Sivits, Spc. Sabrina Harman, Spc. Megan Ambuhl, Spc. Armin J. Cruz Jr., Spc. Roman Krol.... America should be angry that these soldiers have taken all the blame for Abu Ghraib alone.
ushadrons 2 years ago
legal advise... those lawyers were not giving legal advise, they were helping the Bush/Chaney administration to legalize torture.. there's a difference. and what a fucken hypocrite mccain is.. i remember his ass standing at the same spot years ago talking against torture.. age just makes people care less, that's why we need to stop electing old ass stupid farts like mccain.
xleeca 2 years ago 2
He's President McCain in his own brain. Criminalize legal advice? What about legalizing criminal advice? Does Genius John have any idea how bereft of intelligent ideas he and his party have become? Naw, didn't think so.
elfyboy 2 years ago 2
of course he says don't prosecute.
He's a fucking republican just like the cunt that fucked up the globe.
diah4 2 years ago 2
This debate has gotten so ridiculous.
If Obama and the Dems truly believe that it was "torture" and "criminal" and that those responsible should be prosecuted, they would be going after those who authorized it and carried it out. Notice how that's not happening because the Dems authorized it too.
So let's pick a scapegoat group...the attorneys. This is so retarded, it's unbelievable.
Obama, grow some balls and stop playing politics.
He's an ordinary politician concerned only about the polls.
PragaSong 2 years ago
howabout if the legal advice was to do something illegal. what then?
sullivansean 2 years ago
You'd think this man would like to spend his platinum years sitting by an oak tree sipping on some kool-aid.
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brrtown 2 years ago
This enemy follows no rules.
Consider the source.
This is not meant to be childs play, now that the first punch has been thrown.
rickpasorti 2 years ago
fuck them! waterboarding? i would have been chopping heads off! boo hoo!
viketaker 2 years ago
yes clearly that would work.....
jenkz16 2 years ago
McCain is the biggest hypocrite and liar in Washington. He was whining about torture before his presidential aspirations, and now he doesn't want anyone involved with it punished. You two faced piece of shit, go back to the nursing home and shit your pants some more.
ShutYourTheistYap 2 years ago
mcain you fuck stain
UniqueEdge 2 years ago
Obama is less bipartisan than Rush Limbaugh
spideyphd 2 years ago
cos he doesn't like torturing ppl?
thegurukl83 2 years ago
Good.
btownhotties 2 years ago
Bad for future presidents? This is exactly what is needed for the future presidents: when they start considering the use of torture, they need to know that there will be consequences.
ziqueez 2 years ago
Fuck this guy. Glad he lost.
andrewtheman19 2 years ago
For those who think we somehow lower ourselves to the level of those attempting to murder innocents by forcefully extracting any information out of suspects in order to protect the innocent, do we also lower ourselves to the level of criminals by forcefully kidnapping suspects and holding them against their will to protect the innocent?
mutha79 2 years ago
Motive is important when judging actions. We may error. But we live in a world where nothing is clearly black and white and trade offs force us to make difficult choices, in order to protect the choices of the innocent; the freedom to be innocent.
On some level, then ends have to justify the means. To protect my own life, I have to be willing to take life. It's not a comfortable fact, but neither is the natural state of the world.
mutha79 2 years ago
We are not in danger of a terrorists. That's bullshit. It was two buildings. Not even a city. Not even with their own weapons. Not even with an army because they don't have a bloody army. Why are we acting as if they are the scariest people on earth? That sure as hell doesn't scare me. And it obviously wasn't hard to stop 9/11. The warnings were ignored and just brushed aside.
btownhotties 2 years ago
Yeh btown,but they found nano thermatic material in the debris so they didn't know that the building was wired to blow up either.That is why I think it is scary that we haven't caught these people .We are finding out now that KSM was waterboarded over 180 times.The phrase forced confession comes to mind.Remember when he was supposed to admit to the act in front of military judges and he got up there and wouldn't admit to it?How many times do you think he got waterboarded for that?Its all sick
qualityrkc 2 years ago
is mccain still alive?
frekijsimpson 2 years ago
Do not pay attention to the torture issue, its is a fake-feint to distract us from the real issue, the economy. Obama changes his mind in 25 hours? Obama will hang those dems out about water boarding like Nancy Pelosi. When you see 2 Trillion dollars written off that does not exist something is wrong, like catastrophe wrong. Paulison, Bernanke and Geithner are whom we need to be watching. Keep focused on the loss of jobs, TARP, bank takeovers, the Govt involvement with the credit card Co.
dkkght46 2 years ago
Anti-American? Okay, let's tickle the people with intentions to hurt us...hopefully...they'll give us the answers??? I'd much rather prevent the death of a fellow American than save the soul of an enemy.
BWulfTM 2 years ago
It's not illegal...they aren't protected under the Geneva Convention because they didn't sign it. Also, were they wearing their countries military uniforms? No. So, why do we give them so many rights? Enemies to our country and you seek to protect them? Where does your allegiance lie?
BWulfTM 2 years ago
Why are you anti-American and pro tyranny? Why do you support the ideology of fascism and the tactics of dictators?
sfbrocksccsc 2 years ago
My allegiance lies on the principles this country was founded on. How are we different from Cuba, Venezuela, China in their persecutions of innocent civilians? True, armed efforts against us should be stopped with swift action. But can you ensure that the person you are torturing is guilty? What if he is not? It is a small price you may say.. so how many people can we damage in our pursuits and still consider ourselves innocent? 1? 4? 19? 100? God forbid people adopt your views. Or we're done.
projektzero 2 years ago
CBS has just established new standards to the word "Rip"
Skorz3ny 2 years ago
If the government is allowed to change the definition of these things and to make the most horrendous acts sound flufffy and glittery, how long will it be until these things are done to our own citizens?
GeminiAzules 2 years ago 5
Obeying illegal orders is also a crime, so everyone who passed the order along and carried it out would have to be held responsible.
Saying the government is so corrupt that it would take a year or more to clean it up is a bad excuse to turn a blind eye. This may be a witch hunt now for political goals, but will still stop future torture.
Torturing is torturing and against the Geneva convention, and basic human rights. Torturing the english language, isnt going to change the act.
GeminiAzules 2 years ago 3
In banana republics they torture people too. Could they try pick some other stuff to say when defending an administration that looted our money, spied on us, tortured people to make they say stuff...
PharaohNineD 2 years ago 4
so i guess we shouldn't hunt down ex-Nazi or Gestapo members now? since they were part of a "previous" power...hey...they were only following orders. the double standard of the conservatives has reached an all time low. its like those republicans that oppose gay marriage, then get caught in bathhouses or picking up male prostitues. do as we say...not as we do!! glad this moron and his alaskan whore aren't our leaders.
buckle24x 2 years ago 3
McCain said i didn't agree with there techiques.I am sick of moderates like McCain it;s time for him to be challenged by a conserv ative like J.D Hayworth.Ubama happened because of RHINOS like McCain weaking the republican party.We also need termlimits top prevent the Franks ,Dodd's McCain's from being in power for decades.Enough of this crap
gaiuskaiser 2 years ago
god this man should of been our president not some socialist
if it wasnt for bush i assure you that more attacks would of happened not saying i agree with his tactics
jim6700 2 years ago
Yes right after they let a warning that "bin laden determined to strike" pass. They kept us so safe by grabbing some 14yr old boy and people on their way to a wedding. And invading a country that did not and could not do s*** to us. And don't forget the domestic spying.
Yeah, Obama is a socialist for having fix the mess of the previous admin'. Hows that working out for ya'll so far?
PharaohNineD 2 years ago 2
no backbone
Superplatanoman 2 years ago 2
phew glad he didnt get elected as president
Nyohttekotte 2 years ago 2
mindless drone
gaiuskaiser 2 years ago