Kids in the 60's and 70's didn't have VHS, Beta, DVD or Blu-Ray. We kids were lucky to see these movies in the theater once in our lifetimes. I never saw "Wind in the Willows" until a few years ago.
I was too busy laughing to notice the reuse of animation.
wow! I've owned both Wind in the Willows and Jungle Book since i was a kid and never noticed that. I think the only things Ive noticed since when I was a kid was how Disney recycled alot of their voice actors.
Another thing to remember is this was done a LONG time ago. They weren't actually the big name company they are now, and they had a pretty limited budget. They worked with what they had, and at the end of the day, no one died. I'd call that a success.
I don't even see how this works. The animators must be very talented, but if they went through all the trouble to duplicate the same animation with different characters, then why not just do new animations? Are they out of ideas?
@A7XRules4life the technique they used is called rotoscoping.
This takes video of actual people acting out the scene and breaks it down in to frames which the animator will then trace over. Rotoscope helps make the animation look natural and keeps the character in scale. Disney probably reused the transparencies because they didint have the time/ money to call in actors.
The title of this is a major misnomer. They didn't reuse "animation", they used "reference footage". All of the arguments of "They didn't want to have to redraw everything" are false because they DID have to redraw everything. It isn't like today with CGI animation where all you have to do is put a character rig on a different model and have a new scene.
However, I don't feel that reusing reference to portray a similar joke or scene should really be demonized in the way it is.
People come on! Do you guys know how long it that to make a movie with stills? It takes years just to make them. It saves the artist from insanity by reusing. Imagine, you have to draw 500 still for about 30 sec or less. It not only saves money(not that they're worried) but it save time and the sanity of their workers. SO ppl calm down.
Just to be fair, this was both during the dark ages of animation and I think Disney was still recovering from sinking a lot of money into Sleeping Beauty, they still look cool however recycled though.
this doesn't bother me at all, what really bothers me is all the subliminal messages they put in there cartoons! It's pretty disturbing! Search youtube with ,,disney subliminal messages'' and you will get my point!
I can't believe that I've never noticed this. Still, I look at it like when Disney replaces an old attraction with a new one at Disneyland. Some part of the old attraction is always still there as an homage to the past. I think this is the same idea as that.
You know, with all due respect, I think they're entitled to reuse old gags, especially in those films that Uncle Walt actually oversaw in some way, shape or form. Still, it's a lot of fun to watch this stuff over and over again anyway, so...eh...
I love this kind of thing. It gives a very nice link between movies.
Simba and Oliver make the exact same face expression (Oliver & Company and The Lion King). Simba does it towards his father when he wakes him up in the middle of the night, and Oliver does it towards Dodger in the city scene at the start.
Also, the dance sequence in Aristocats is almost exactly the same as the one in Robin Hood.
@caitlinflute Well, a second very many times ecuals a whole day. Saving a minute or two of production, saves them many hours of scetching and they don't need to plan that much either. When I don't notice, they've done a good job. And it's a good scene so I don't realy mind. May be fun to put different faces on them in my mind thoXD
All who are quick to bash Disney for reusing animation are ignorant. In animation, a few seconds are the product of days of work. The old process (before computers came into play in The Great Mouse Detective) was much more time-consuming than modern animation. Yet the convenience of computer animation has replaced the painstaking process of hand-drawn animation, giving testament to the true talent and exquisiteness of classic animation, which, because of its difficulty, has yet to be emulated.
I don't blame them, you have any idea how hard movement is? Its so much easier to recycle animations, thats why cartoon episodes (when their talking especially) always look similar.
of course. it was what they did to save time on putting out films. they used over a lot of things. robin hood is a good film to look at reused scenes throughout the whole thing! moreover they did this at a time when people wanted to see more disney films. and personally i do think it's cheap, but it's their work so use it.
Animation in general wasn't very profitable between the 60's and 80's. It wasn't an issue of work, as much as budget. No one of integrity would copy someone else's work, no matter how hard the work. As an animator, I DO know of the meticulous work involved. I'm glad to see that these video's are posted here, and I suggest you appreciate the information your given and refrain from the back-handed compliments.
I think it's funny that people think this is a way Disney "scammed" their viewers. I think it's genius!! The amount of time, money and manpower that goes into the making of ONE of these scenes is terrifying to anyone in the media business. It makes sense that they would use the same templates for different movies!! BRAVO DISNEY! BRAVO! (P.S. Princess & the Frog was amazing to anyone who hasn't seen it already)
I certainly wouldn't say "Bravo" to anyone recycling work in this way. I'm sure that the animator's and craftspeople weren't saying "Bravo" during production time. This was simply a necessity of the time to keep the company's budget afloat. I'm not anti-Disney, but I'm annoyed at those who choose to suck-up to them at any opportunity. It was a tough time at the studio, and they made tough choices. That's about it.
How environmentally friendly Disney is for recycling! Well, I say good on them, you wouldn't know, and it doesn't detract from the film - most people wouldn't have noticed if it wasn't pointed out to them!
I always had a feeling that there was something fishy about this. Good to see I'm not crazy after all. Seeing it now I found it hilarious to watch the two movies sync up perfectly. Upon reading why they did this, I guess it's understandable that they had to save money in tough times.
Thank you for this because when I saw Wind in the WIllows when I was a kid I saw the similarity and I thought, "Wait a minute wasn't it used The Jungle Book also?"
Haha awesome! I'm working on a set of videos where scenes are repeated from The Jungle Book, Aristocats, and Robin Hood. :D The first one is up is you wanna see, it's quite funny. :)
The scene of Belle and the transformed Beast dancing at the end of Beauty and the Beast was recycled from Aurora and Prince Philip dancing at the end of Sleeping Beauty, as well. I guess Disney does this sort of thing often.
but is it as direct as this....the camera kind of swings all over the place during beauty and the beast resulting in different angles....sleeping beauty it just sits there....
@007deadbeat Yeah, Disney likes to use recycled animation when they can to save money. In Robin Hood, they basically had to because of the lower budget they had for the film, which was why there was a lot of recycled animation in that film.
@007deadbeat Disney aren't as cheapskatish as you'd think - Woolie Reitherman (who directed all of the Sketchy Period films) loved to add 'homages' because he felt the animation was 'universal', for most of the 80s films, it was budget related (the horseman in the black cauldron is a ghost from Night on Bald Mountain, the Squirrel in FatH was from Sword), and in BatB, they had only two years to slap the thing together and had to cut a corner here or there.
Missed what? The entire scene?
BlueRingoh 1 month ago
Kids in the 60's and 70's didn't have VHS, Beta, DVD or Blu-Ray. We kids were lucky to see these movies in the theater once in our lifetimes. I never saw "Wind in the Willows" until a few years ago.
I was too busy laughing to notice the reuse of animation.
wildbilltexas 1 month ago
"You sneaky ANIMATER!"
TentPegWielder 2 months ago
They must have reused the footage from rotoscoping previous Disney films. And the xerox process reduced the animation budget.
MrAndrewsaccount92 3 months ago
Yeah I seen some Disney movies that are alike from other Disney movies. Yep I know that.
D4V3F4C3 4 months ago
yet when they do it it is a million times more classy than Hanna barbera.
Nertrender 4 months ago
wow! I've owned both Wind in the Willows and Jungle Book since i was a kid and never noticed that. I think the only things Ive noticed since when I was a kid was how Disney recycled alot of their voice actors.
CapitanDonKarnage 5 months ago
they did the same thing in robin hood, they took a scene from "I wanna be like you" and put it in "the phony king of england" \
LOZmaster85RB 6 months ago
Disney is environmentally friendly. They recycle their old movies!
nightsdreamparadox 6 months ago
Another thing to remember is this was done a LONG time ago. They weren't actually the big name company they are now, and they had a pretty limited budget. They worked with what they had, and at the end of the day, no one died. I'd call that a success.
Thatswhatshesaid446 6 months ago
I don't even see how this works. The animators must be very talented, but if they went through all the trouble to duplicate the same animation with different characters, then why not just do new animations? Are they out of ideas?
A7XRules4life 7 months ago
@A7XRules4life the technique they used is called rotoscoping.
This takes video of actual people acting out the scene and breaks it down in to frames which the animator will then trace over. Rotoscope helps make the animation look natural and keeps the character in scale. Disney probably reused the transparencies because they didint have the time/ money to call in actors.
WillowRib 6 months ago
NOOOOO ... . my childhood is ruined!
killzone10 7 months ago
Recycle everything...even jokes... ^_^
Iced0826 7 months ago
OMG Facts sent me here :)
jackstrap74 7 months ago 30
Well, they did this due to time and money.
It's always good to have easter eggs not just in videogames but also in movies.
BRRGames 8 months ago
Yaah recycling ^_^
MissVestergaard 9 months ago
I guess you could say Disney helps the environment by recycling... A lot.
Starchild91 9 months ago
The title of this is a major misnomer. They didn't reuse "animation", they used "reference footage". All of the arguments of "They didn't want to have to redraw everything" are false because they DID have to redraw everything. It isn't like today with CGI animation where all you have to do is put a character rig on a different model and have a new scene.
However, I don't feel that reusing reference to portray a similar joke or scene should really be demonized in the way it is.
knuckles896 9 months ago 3
People come on! Do you guys know how long it that to make a movie with stills? It takes years just to make them. It saves the artist from insanity by reusing. Imagine, you have to draw 500 still for about 30 sec or less. It not only saves money(not that they're worried) but it save time and the sanity of their workers. SO ppl calm down.
Ma5jay5dontxdoxthat 10 months ago
i can't believe they were so lazy!!!
mattiek93 11 months ago
Just to be fair, this was both during the dark ages of animation and I think Disney was still recovering from sinking a lot of money into Sleeping Beauty, they still look cool however recycled though.
SerenityM16 11 months ago
this doesn't bother me at all, what really bothers me is all the subliminal messages they put in there cartoons! It's pretty disturbing! Search youtube with ,,disney subliminal messages'' and you will get my point!
stingerhead666 11 months ago
This is kinda awesome :D
pmunkyandpals11 1 year ago
I can't believe that I've never noticed this. Still, I look at it like when Disney replaces an old attraction with a new one at Disneyland. Some part of the old attraction is always still there as an homage to the past. I think this is the same idea as that.
un1k3n 1 year ago
You know, with all due respect, I think they're entitled to reuse old gags, especially in those films that Uncle Walt actually oversaw in some way, shape or form. Still, it's a lot of fun to watch this stuff over and over again anyway, so...eh...
CaptainRaccoonWhitly 1 year ago
There's clearly a reason they did this but it's definitely not to save time, don't be ridiculous.
djsufferthing 1 year ago
Wow Disney is a rich entity. The amount of work that must go into these things. The truth about disney is scary
burntoutuniverse696 1 year ago
Well, it was at a time when they were running low on funds (Robin Hood, which has the most recycled animation also has the smallest budget).
POLE7645 1 year ago
Hey, if it ain't broke...
videogamenostalgia 1 year ago
welp
there went a part of my childhood
thanks /v/
ConkerfanX 1 year ago
WOW
faction16 1 year ago
hahahaha! best when Bagera roared when he swinged his sword.
violatormelms 1 year ago
I love this kind of thing. It gives a very nice link between movies.
Simba and Oliver make the exact same face expression (Oliver & Company and The Lion King). Simba does it towards his father when he wakes him up in the middle of the night, and Oliver does it towards Dodger in the city scene at the start.
Also, the dance sequence in Aristocats is almost exactly the same as the one in Robin Hood.
imissrose123 1 year ago
omg never noticed
kkgirl300 1 year ago
It's easier to make a computer-3D-animation than actually do a real hand-drawn animation so I don't blame Disney at all :)
CreativeBox1994 1 year ago 2
Well it's only a minute of the whole movie, it's not that big of a deal and it's not like the plot is the same!
caitlinflute 1 year ago 2
@caitlinflute Well, a second very many times ecuals a whole day. Saving a minute or two of production, saves them many hours of scetching and they don't need to plan that much either. When I don't notice, they've done a good job. And it's a good scene so I don't realy mind. May be fun to put different faces on them in my mind thoXD
SIQgirl 1 year ago
lmao
vaizards 1 year ago
I think something like this also happens in Aristocats..............How did I remember that?
AlexAceDDR 1 year ago
Reusing animation is us animators best friend! For saturday morning cartoon productions we try to use reuses as MUCH AS WE CAN!
magnum70383 1 year ago
All who are quick to bash Disney for reusing animation are ignorant. In animation, a few seconds are the product of days of work. The old process (before computers came into play in The Great Mouse Detective) was much more time-consuming than modern animation. Yet the convenience of computer animation has replaced the painstaking process of hand-drawn animation, giving testament to the true talent and exquisiteness of classic animation, which, because of its difficulty, has yet to be emulated.
jedi4Iife 1 year ago
@jedi4Iife
Well saidddd! Being an animator myself I totally agreeeeee! :)
magnum70383 1 year ago
I don't blame them, you have any idea how hard movement is? Its so much easier to recycle animations, thats why cartoon episodes (when their talking especially) always look similar.
JakanA 1 year ago
Nice timing!
GameStation3 1 year ago
Oh Disney ain't nothing like plagerizing yourself.
ThiefRikku0306 1 year ago
of course. it was what they did to save time on putting out films. they used over a lot of things. robin hood is a good film to look at reused scenes throughout the whole thing! moreover they did this at a time when people wanted to see more disney films. and personally i do think it's cheap, but it's their work so use it.
tokyogirl345 1 year ago
This is because Director Wolfgang Reitherman liked to re-use his old work.
am9224 1 year ago
wow i never noticed that before
kinomon 1 year ago
lolz just so true the end part... gags just NEVER die :]]
squifodopolaron 1 year ago
It's funny that they use the same animation
ToonJoey34 1 year ago
it's called recycled Animation it saves them Monney
LionKingRulezAgain1 1 year ago
With all the hard work that goes into making a scene this long BY HAND, I don't blame them at all.
dopplegangergirl9 2 years ago 99
if u knew how much work goes to making one of these things, u wouldnt be saying shit about it
Marianaisabelvill 2 years ago 42
Animation in general wasn't very profitable between the 60's and 80's. It wasn't an issue of work, as much as budget. No one of integrity would copy someone else's work, no matter how hard the work. As an animator, I DO know of the meticulous work involved. I'm glad to see that these video's are posted here, and I suggest you appreciate the information your given and refrain from the back-handed compliments.
ralphyetmore 2 years ago
@Marianaisabelvill Totally agreed also that they borrow it's like who cares.
simbalolo 1 year ago
@Marianaisabelvill Somebody didn't read the description.
This video isn't for the sake of bashing disney, but to show reanimated stuff they ocassionally do.
gguioa 2 months ago 2
I think it's funny that people think this is a way Disney "scammed" their viewers. I think it's genius!! The amount of time, money and manpower that goes into the making of ONE of these scenes is terrifying to anyone in the media business. It makes sense that they would use the same templates for different movies!! BRAVO DISNEY! BRAVO! (P.S. Princess & the Frog was amazing to anyone who hasn't seen it already)
abagab 2 years ago 5
I certainly wouldn't say "Bravo" to anyone recycling work in this way. I'm sure that the animator's and craftspeople weren't saying "Bravo" during production time. This was simply a necessity of the time to keep the company's budget afloat. I'm not anti-Disney, but I'm annoyed at those who choose to suck-up to them at any opportunity. It was a tough time at the studio, and they made tough choices. That's about it.
ralphyetmore 2 years ago
Wow, that's pretty cool! I never would have noticed that.
DisneySinger12 2 years ago
fail -.-'
xSiLVERSPiRiT 2 years ago
How environmentally friendly Disney is for recycling! Well, I say good on them, you wouldn't know, and it doesn't detract from the film - most people wouldn't have noticed if it wasn't pointed out to them!
Alexfromherts 2 years ago 2
I always had a feeling that there was something fishy about this. Good to see I'm not crazy after all. Seeing it now I found it hilarious to watch the two movies sync up perfectly. Upon reading why they did this, I guess it's understandable that they had to save money in tough times.
RiggeDPuzzlE 2 years ago
very well put together
OnlyNameLeftOnUTube 2 years ago 4
Epic.
JusticarofHeroes 2 years ago 3
I honestly don't see what's wrong with recycling scenes.
AmaroqVideos 2 years ago
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Well, the Jungle Book and the Wind in the Willows we're both pretty bad so... no harm done =)
KloKei07 2 years ago
WHY did I watch this? My Disney taste is ruined.
BrokenClocks08 2 years ago
What editing program did you use.
Please reply.
rafikiZ12 2 years ago 5
Sony Vegas Professional 8 (or 6...I don't remember how long ago this was).
bullfrog117 2 years ago
I noticed that scene was reused in Jungle Book, didn't acure to me til then
Abracamoron 2 years ago
gtg cry nao
tohtorigyro 2 years ago
OMG!! Disnet is phail! roflcake
fabia23 2 years ago 4
Oh. My. God.
You sir, have just completely destroyed my inner child.
I've been trying to get rid of him for years! Thanks! :D
IComeAnon4 2 years ago
Thank you for this because when I saw Wind in the WIllows when I was a kid I saw the similarity and I thought, "Wait a minute wasn't it used The Jungle Book also?"
drcoxcentral 3 years ago 2
Holy crap! I knew Disney did a lot of repeats in animation, but one for that long, in the same time sequence? That's pretty insane O_O
LilbunUWiz 3 years ago 7
Wow! I didn't know that! Thanks for posting!
bibleanddisneyfan 3 years ago
yea i noticed that ALOT
doseiaisha 3 years ago
lol haha i never noticed that
xXxsoccababexXx 3 years ago
OMFG
alecton 4 years ago
WOW
OMGLysses 4 years ago
Haha awesome! I'm working on a set of videos where scenes are repeated from The Jungle Book, Aristocats, and Robin Hood. :D The first one is up is you wanna see, it's quite funny. :)
sme02 4 years ago
WOW I never even noticed that! thats cool!
laughinglooney7 4 years ago
The scene of Belle and the transformed Beast dancing at the end of Beauty and the Beast was recycled from Aurora and Prince Philip dancing at the end of Sleeping Beauty, as well. I guess Disney does this sort of thing often.
007deadbeat 4 years ago 6
but is it as direct as this....the camera kind of swings all over the place during beauty and the beast resulting in different angles....sleeping beauty it just sits there....
bullfrog117 4 years ago 7
@007deadbeat the scene of hook vs peter and falls few at the end of peter pan was recycled from philip vs maleficent he saves aurora at the end
willowtransition 1 year ago
@007deadbeat Yeah, Disney likes to use recycled animation when they can to save money. In Robin Hood, they basically had to because of the lower budget they had for the film, which was why there was a lot of recycled animation in that film.
Linkfangurl 1 year ago
@007deadbeat Disney aren't as cheapskatish as you'd think - Woolie Reitherman (who directed all of the Sketchy Period films) loved to add 'homages' because he felt the animation was 'universal', for most of the 80s films, it was budget related (the horseman in the black cauldron is a ghost from Night on Bald Mountain, the Squirrel in FatH was from Sword), and in BatB, they had only two years to slap the thing together and had to cut a corner here or there.
LiimLsan 5 months ago
good job! u helped me prove my point :D
akhenaten1881 4 years ago