Roger LaFond method of canne, baton and french boxing

[bummercal]

much in common with jkd

[tonyvalente]

bruce lee had this video in his secret library. you can see all the footwork, fencing and moves Lee took.

[scarlebloke]

A fascinating clip - it's made me want to see more of French fighting styles. Thanks for posting!

[Bulteryer1]

This is not fight! This is a ballet!

[Bulteryer1]

То, что этот "бокс" французы привезли из Сиама и сделали из него пародию на муай, известно из истории, но почему-то умалчивается. И еще более странно, что "это" было введено в свое время в боевое самбо! Любой тайский или лаосский пацан, с полгода практикующийся в муае, сделет такого чемпиона в пару секунд.

[noholdsbarredbl]

Bruce lee

[TeeSok]

Interesting. there is a video where the provence region president of French boxing says that Chausson Marseillais is the ancestor of savate, and that it originally came from ancient Greece, passed through Italy-the city of Genova-before arriving in Marseiiles aand spreading to the rest of France where it became French boxing. The video is called ".Chausson Marseillas - SAVATE"

[Metalistopheles]

la boxe française méthode Charlemont était un art martial redoutable adapté au combat de rue.

malheureusement , au fil du temps , comme bon nombre d ' arts martiaux , en l ' épurant des techniques dites dangereuses pour satisfaire aux règles de la compétition , c ' est devenu un simple sport de combat

[mysticpiggyx]

Bruce lee, got his stuff from this.

[1saxonwolf]

I find it partly interesting & mostly insulting that people would think Savate must be influenced by the Orient.. Celtic, Roman,& Germanic cultures have been a force militarily through out history.

As for Boxe Francaise/ Savate, the French military taught it all over the world. There is clear documentation of the French arts being taught throughout Asia for hundreds of years.

As for the constantly repeated yet never researched "French sailors picked it up in China" crap. The art of Chausson was

[1saxonwolf]

@1saxonwolf the sailors art. The hands needed to be placed on the deck when the boat swayed to maintain balance when the martial "game" was played. The "game" was also played in the streets of France. Look at these similarities between Chausson , Moring(Reunion island) & Capoeira. Interesting to note that Reunion island off Madagascar is French & that the French had a major influence one time in Brazil. One of the earliest Capoeira songs says it was taught by sailors & sings of the motion of

[1saxonwolf]

@1saxonwolf the boat. Coincidence ??

Savate/boxe francaise has the sport which evolved from the combat art. Savate, boxe francaise, chausson, lutte parissiane, panache, the stick arts canne & baton all make up Savate as shown here by one of the last old school lineages.

[kaindrg]

@1saxonwolf no one says its from china who ever does is a fag im chinese martial artist and its a misconception that styles have this variety of high kicks. many of them were grappling sweeps. french sailor developed it from the need to maintain balance in ships where hand would be at a disadvantage. and not only is it french its very popular in nearby region of spain and italy. personaly due to my athropology background i dont believe in the single origin of fighting lol. fighting is universal

[kaindrg]

@1saxonwolf o nvm mind u already said that :D

[TheArcheoman]

To bad the French don't have the fighting spirit now that those fellows did in the video. If they did there wouldn't be a problem with those radical Muslims in Paris causing all that trouble

[GlamRazorCat]

@TheArcheoman

Can you really sum up 40 years of french history with 2 cliché sentences ?

[tonyvalente]

Theres no dout Bruce Lee seen this video and added 50% to JKD.

[tramey1959]

absolutey amazing! These Savate Masters were ahead of their time in the world of martial arts, and I really think that if they would have invaded the Karate tournys of the 60's and 70's, they would have made a name for themselves. This is truly a masterpiece film regarding French combat styles. I've studied Asian styles for 30 plus years and I'm just now learning how to Fence. I wish I would have taken Fencing and Savate years ago, especially from these Masters. My family history is from France.

[Dragonfist12185]

Is there anyone who can translate is, so we can understand it better?

[dospooks]

Great video, thanks for posting. I wonder how much of it is from asian influence, through the French presence in southeast asia, versus developing independently. Probably very hard to say now.

[Odium1002]

@dospooks french sailers picked it up in asia.

[UFMD1]

@Odium1002 False, if anything there may have been some influence from Africa, not Asia.

[talon115]

You mean the fillipinos didn't invent stick fighting?! What will we do now?

[sabinoson]

Looks like this was filmed sometime in the late '50's or 1960's. Great stuff. (Wish t his were available on dvd...subtitled.)

[moominpic]

Great stuff. Interesting how light on the feet they are. Is this anything to do with dancing? Step dancing was popular in France for centuries.

[UFMD1]

@moominpic Yes, and for most European arts. Look especially at Georgian martial arts and their dances, this culture spread or was developed throughout Europe in accordance with each areas culture.

[moominpic]

@UFMD1 Indeed! Cossack dancing can be seen as practice for combat and horse riding. Interestingly, I have a vid somewhere of the South African singer Johnny Clegg talking about learning Zulu dancing and he comments that to learn the dances you had to learn the MA's first as this was what many dance moves were based on.

[Cosifantuttee]

LE COUP DE PIED DE FLANC !

[billysue2]

thats an incredibly bad example of savate sparring.Ive seen people train for 6 months better than that

[HARDSTOPHIT]

I didnt notice. What year was this video made

[brucew22]

this looks like they use more wrist fanning techniques than other la canne that I have seen. Reminds me of abanico in kali-escrima. Love this stuff, thanks for the posting.

[myrealcolor]

c'est vraiment des conneries

[humbleboxer1]

its obvious from watching this that Bruce Lee got a lot of his kicking techniques from savate. You can see a low kick to high round kick variation used in Return of the Dragon. He even has savate drawings in Tao of Jeet Kune Do.

[sabinoson]

@humbleboxer1 Absolutely. In Tao of Jeet Kune Do, Bruce Lee even discusses several Savate techniques.

[wonphi]

@humbleboxer1

a ton of that stuff is in Kung fu, Tae kwon do and karate as well.

Not only in Savate.

[carbonlaminate]

wow. that is admirable.

[HarmAllShip]

C'est génial! Merci, je me suis bien cultivée!

[dgmbes89]

well you have to admit that that is some serious canning techinques, with almost same potential as japanese or shaolin tehcniques. But french savate is still not comparable to taekwendo or thai boxing

[vincent4500]

yes they have some serious and really living techniques in la canne...and wtf are you on about saying takewondo is better than savate?? are you taking the piss, Bruce Lee took many of savates basic techniques..in fact if you compare him in his last yrs you'll see the influence, and a savate fighter beat the world champ thai boxer ....a good savate fighter is no slouch..whilst the best takewondo fighters don't stand up to any real fighters, thai boxers or otherwise ..check it out on youtube nonce

[pugilistica]

That's not what Thai Boxing legend Ramon Dekker thought after his contest with Savateur Francois Pennacchio...

[billysue2]

thet were using kickboxing rules and penacchio was a very accomplished kickboxer.There was nothing exclusive to savate used in that fight,it was just plainkickboxing

[pugilistica]

Really? What about his superior footwork?

[ATACXGYM]

@zedoc76 You guys are amazing and I have the highest respect for Mr. Lafond.Congratulations at reaching 95 years young hopefully with at least 95 more years to go! Lolol.I love the way that you guys train fencing,savate and le canne and how realistic it is.

[TheGroundedAviator]

@zedoc76 You must be proud! Parden me asking but did they say that Savate had some Asain influence (Bando and Muay Thai) as some say or is it (as I beleave) developed independently?

[Dragonfist12185]

@zedoc76 Heaven may grandmaster Roger LaFond rest in peace.

[taclas1]

The French sure love their caning...

[maofas]

Interesting, their footwork looked really shitty at first, but slowed down you could see how the awkward looking bouncing & stepping set up their next kick.

[octavehergebelle]

Un peu Kitch mais qu'est-ce-que c'est bon ^^

[zedoc76]

They're my grand father 94 y old now and still active and my uncle :)

i'm so proud of them so funny to find this on youtube!

thanks for your comments

[strizzuth]

This is amazing. I can't believe it. Thank you for uploading this wonderful and essential piece of martial arts history!

[pognquebec]

On entend bien une espèce de fierté dans la voix du narrateur ! Mais c'est vrai que ça fait parti de notre patrimoine et je suis heureux de savoir que la France ait inventé ce sport de combat... pour moi c'est l'un des meilleurs dans le monde !

[Kyle359]

J'aime écouter le language des vielles narrations comme celle-là. La manière dont ils parlaient à cette époque avait tant d'élégance qui n'est pas entendue dans la vernaculaire moderne.

[Kyle359]

The style has changed so much from those days. It's more aggressive, and the element of elegance isn't as strong as it once was.

[Melchior1962]

Super document, bravo ! Le style a change mais l'esprit demeure !

[faltagh]

This is a great piece of Savate history. Thanks!

[CalSavate]

Fantastic find!

[shengchenfan]

Interesting.