GM started the Volt project in the early 2000's and sped it up in the mid-2000s, when gas prices were spiking, and well before the government bailout.
Average cost per mile when running on batteries should, depending on electric costs, be cheaper than running on gas. The 40-mile electric range is based on the average distance a commuter drives in a day.
Your other pieces are so well researched, it's disappointing when you make uninformed statements like these.
What's funny is one of my college prof., who is probably as liberal as they get, also likes this film quite a bit, and showed it to us in class. Goes to show, no matter your politics, we can all learn to appreciate the same, great forms of art.
If backing the development of an automobile is akin to the tyranny and oppression of East Germany, I'd love to hear your opinion of extraordinary rendition, warrentless surveillance, and "enhanced" interrogation techniques.
(Continue Part 2)I plan to do everything in my power to take this thing down. I would take advice from any DECENT person of any political persuasion. Leave a comment on my board or send me a Private Message. Like you videos Lee
This may be off topic but I have a serious question to ask. I am new to You Tube but it seems like someone has already made a “CLONED” account of me. It is basically 95 percent full of LIES and FALSEHOODS. As I stated I am new to You Tube and still feeling my way around so to speak. Is there anyway I can get this “CLONED” account taken down?
GM produced and entirely electric car 10 years ago called the EV-1. It could go 120 miles per charge. It got scrapped due to political and most likely big oil actions. Then GM produces a new "electric" car that only goes 40 miles per charge? That is the biggest joke I've ever seen.
Um the lives of others is an awesome movie, but it's a bit of a stretch to compare it to our society today. Especially on a website where you can totally express your dissent against the government without fear of retaliation.
@italkktoomuch Uh, not at all. Videos get taken down all the time for the flimsiest of reasons, leftists here on youtube, all the time, are using the flimsiest most trumped up charges to say that a video is offensive, or violates copyright even when the content used is clearly permissible under fair use. YouTube say they don't want to get into any litigation. A pro-Israel parody song was taken down for "copyright" because it spoofed an earlier song.
@GlengarryGlennBeck It's their right to do whatever with their website, It happens to everyone. Apparently, Lee isn't being harassed and he's expressing his dissent, conservative news media, drinkingqwithbob, and so on. So yea, there are 20 other pro Israel vids I just counted alone on youtube. I don't say this about everybody, but you are a little paranoid.
@italkktoomuch Let's recap how your arguments have changed here. First it was "dude you're speaking out on a website where you have no fear of retaliation!" and now I actually pointed out the censorship, it's "Dude, it's their website they can do whatever they like with it!"
I'm not paranoid. You just have your head in the sand. Go back to your ignorant land of bliss you chronic fuckwit.
@italkktoomuch Oh and you didnt even bother to respons to my points about the Whitehouse's "Flag" initative. Or their ideas about how journalists should require a "license" that is reviewed by the government...
Fucking utter fuckwit. "Dude it's Obama's white house he can do whatever he wants with it! You're just paranoiiiiiid!"
@italkktoomuch Forget youtube. Last year the White House established an email address where they requested people report "suspicious" people making "misinformation" aboutObama's healthcare plan. There have even been murmurings about the Democrats wanting all bloggers to require a "License".
I mean, it's the most scary time for free speech since the 1930s.
You are astonishingly ignorant to make a remark like that.
Actually the email address was so people could submit the talking points against the bill. It was setup to quell the misinformation being spread at the time, and this whole idea that the email address is actually used to report other people is a bunch of nonsense put out by the very people spreading the misinformation in the first place.
@GlengarryGlennBeck I didn't bother with the Whitehouse Flag because there guy under me already said something about that by the time I responded, why go over it again. I still stand by my statement that Lee is allowed to express his dissent against the government without fear of retaliation. The government has not retaliated against Lee in any sort of way. You pointed out people who violated youtube's policies in some sort of a way, not retaliation. That's all
@GlengarryGlennBeck You're getting way off. That movie was about their government retaliating against it's own citizens. In no way have you shown how this is going on. Instead you talk about youtube (a privately owned company) that is strict with it's policies. If you don't like youtube's policies, because it's not a website where you can throw anything up, believe it or not. You are entirely free to start your own website and post whatever you'd like.
@italkktoomuch No, what's happened here is in the beginning you said "You are posting a website where you can criticise the government without fear of retaliation".
Now I've pointed out some ways in which people were censored, you're backpedallign and saying "oh well it's a private company d00000d"
intransitive verb : to return like for like; especially : to get revenge
No one has sought revenge or retribution against anybody on youtube except other youtubers with videos. Youtube censors get over it, but it is in no way retribution or retaliation.
@italkktoomuch According to you hero obama, when someone starts lookign stuff up in the dictionary, it shows they're losing the argument, so I think this is the time for you to fuck off.
1 : a person who supervises conduct and morals: as a : an official who examines materials (as publications or films) for objectionable matter b : an official (as in time of war) who reads communications (as letters) and deletes material considered sensitive or harmful
Clearly notice that retaliation and censor have two distinct different definitions. Be mad that youtube censors all you want, but that is not retaliation dude.
@GlengarryGlennBeck italkktoomuch never heard the story.. they came for the polish and I said nothing because I wasn't polish, then they came for the Jews and I said nothing because I wasn't polish..etc..Then they came for me. I looked around for someone to help and there was no one.. he is a typical liberal illiterate..
@carlindelco Hey, I'm not the one categorizing everybody. Just let me know when the government starts coming for people. Illiterate? Come on dude, I can at least read and write. :)
@italkktoomuch They have already started they're attack on those who don't pull the party line.. they hate FNC and conservative radio.. that's the first step... you need to read a little history pal...You may be able to sound out the words like a computer but just like a computer you can not as of yet actually think,
@carlindelco Yea, cause not liking something or what someone is saying is the exact equivalent of stopping them from saying it and telling them they don't have a right to say it. And simply because I don't agree with totally means I can't think for myself. Got ya.
@italkktoomuch Really ? All I said was that people in the party dems/prog in the gov are actively pursuing means to squelch and or silence FNC . It would be different if they only opposed the opinion..the hypocrisy is ridiculous 1)they always claim everyone has the right to do) only when a conservative is in office i guess, palin, bush, christie etc). and 2) use to say it was patriotic to voice your concern about the gov. NOW the opposing voice is a threat..? please
@carlindelco You used a quote that talks about genocide and mass murder. I was supposed to get that you were talking about the silencing of media outlets from that quote. I'm just saying.
@italkktoomuch YouTube crumbles under the slightest bit of pressure from leftists to remove videos. Last year Alaskan democrat bloggers took down an anti-obama channel.
I could go on. Do you want me to, or do you want to just shut up and admit you're astonishingly fuck-ignorant?
Actually I would like you to go on, because I've seen what you're talking about happen to everyone, regardless of political views. Youtube seems to buckle under any pressure from anywhere, and I've seen videos posted from people talking about how their channel has been removed along with all their videos. Heck, MoxNews had to create a backup account, and all he does is post news segments!
Open your eyes man. It's not as one sided as you make it sound.
I enjoyed the movie review, but bashing the Volt is not needed.
1) It's been in the works for some time. (at least since 2007). It's not the result of the government loans.
2) It's a plug in hybrid, and yes it gets 40 miles per charge, but it also uses gas. The idea being that you can do your commute entirely on battery. (if your commute is < 40)
You remind of the people bashing on "the social network" movie trailer. A lot of us have been waiting years time for this Volt.
I don't think that state survailance of the private lives of citizens can really be equated with the government wanting certain cars to be produced. Just saying . . . You paranoid loon.
@R0undAboutMidnight : He said it was happening SLOWLY. And it is. Open your eyes and you'll see your liberty being slowly taken away. Obama and his cronies are left wing loons. All Marxist, socialist ding dongs. Six more years of Obama and YOU might be the OTHER. I'm just sayin'.
Sometimes paranoia's just having all the facts. Quote from William S. Burroughs.
The Tea Party or "teabaggers" as you call them aren't all conservatives like me. They have merely opened their eyes and realize what's really going on in Obamaland. Nighty-night my clueless friend.
@jurassical he doesn't care about having his liberties taken away because he's never used them. the concept of thought crime doesn't scare him because he's never had an original thought.
he's a craven little faggot who never grew out of being a school prefect. just like pretty much all leftists.
Government can't even do GOVERNMENT right, much less run numerous businesses or control economy! God, how STUPID do these leftards have to get before they learn that GOVERNMENT IS INCOMPETENT!!!
@QuartuvLarry You're generalizing. This doesn't apply to every country nor every form of government. But yeah, you need a strong free-market to sustain the welfare-state either way.
See: Sweden - Reason had a bit about this a couple of weeks back.
@QuartuvLarry Yeah you seem unaware of how bureaucracies work.
The closer a government is to its people, the more efficient the bureaucracy will be, usually. That's why a lot of libertarians argue that leaving so-called socialist activities to municipal governments is the best thing. Sweden is a homogeneous nation that has no problem dealing with its various levels of governance. You cannot replicate their 'way of life' in America.
@Vitaminous They're homogeneous FOR NOW, but there's a growing portent of islamic thuggery in Malmo that really needs to be harshly dealt with. And it's true that governance is better when localized, as opposed to some power-monger far away on the Hill.
I'm seeing, however, that the dollar collapse will affect everyone; not just Sweden.
@Vitaminous The lethargy of a people to depend upon its government can only come to a ruinous end. Sweden, and all of Europe for that matter, leans their economic welfare upon the dollar. We are their guarantors of their welfare, and we currently have nothing to back it up. They won't last.
There's a French film called "L'affaire Farewell" whose trailer boasts to be this years Lives of Others. It's about a disenchanted KGB agent who funnels information to the US in 1981.
How sad is it that we have to look to Germany and France for films about the horrors of communism.
Remember 2008's "Taken"? Yeah, written and directed by French dudes.
@HowTheWorldWorks, you pursue a line of argument against "big" government based on loss of liberty. You do not pursue the argument against "big" government based on lack of efficiency in the government?
East Germany and the Soviet block came to an end due to inefficicy of their "big" goverment. One party states like China which has reformed the economy has not collapsed.
In view of this, why do you choose the liberty argument?
I *love* this movie! Not only does it illuminate the horrors of the Stasi, it is beautifully made. I think is especially compelling because the main characters are not black/white and good/evil. The complexity of their situation is very real and a normal person can see themselves as either the writer or the agent, making it even more chilling.
Anyone who believes that we only have a small amount of government control and that we couldn't go down this slippery slope obviously hasn't studied history. Remember the income tax? At first it was only a small tax on very wealthy people, and its proponents at the time said it would only be that way.
Excellent review for an excellent movie. What you say is true. And the scary thing about East Germany was that this movie was not far from the truth when it came to monitoring people.
Also, about electric cars, we can expect brownouts in the areas which will receive the cars first. One of those is the Portland, Oregon area where I live.
America is not a free country, the left has pretty much won unless Americans grow a brain. It won't be enough to simply take back seats in November and in 2012, America has gone over the edge. For there to be a real turn around, Americans are going to have to stay focused for YEARS and demand massive legislative repeals and not stop demanding them until the stranglehold by the left is finally broken. It is a very big uphill fight and unfortunately most of our citizens are ignorant lemmings.
Totally agree, this is an amazing movie. It's a pity that America is becoming more like East Germany than the bastion of individual liberty it was founded to be. Looking for the Constitution? Check the shredder in the Oval Office or in Congress.
The democrat party is looking a lot like the east European communists these days.
I heartily recommend you view this, even though I don't completely agree with everything that's said (intro and so forth), but he's got some great arguments.
As for my knowledge of the Volt - I'm a gearhead, it didn't come from him or his show or any green-oriented website.
Lee, before bashing stuff you ought to educate yourself about it.
Save from subsidies the government has nothing to do with the development of the Chevy Volt nor is it limited to its 40 mile range plus I don't quite understand how having a couple people plugging in their cars is any different from the bulk of the population adopting computers in mass.
The Volt has a ICE (combustion engine) generator that basically recharges the battery from the 40-mile point.
@Vitaminous Anyway you basically parroted Limbaugh on this one.
I'm not GM supporter, for the record.
And to whoever said that '40 miles is well under the average commute', that is not only statistically untrue; it doesn't matter. It's an additional choice in a market where people buy vehicles they don't necessarily need but so what? Who are we to tell them what to buy? And since when is premium gas an argument against a car anyway? We're talking about pennies per gallon in additional cost.
if this guy or anyone thinks that america is headed to a socialist state with obama (who is centre right compared to other leaders around the world), then conservatives have actually lost the plot.
The Volt is not a true electric car, it's a fancy looking, underpowered hybrid with a range of only about 300 mile, a battery carries the car 40 miles, well under the average commute of most Americans and then a premium gas engine takes over
GM has been working on the Chevy Volt for years, you can't blame that one on the gov.
How did the E. German gov stop citizens from picking up the radio and tv programs from W. Germany and other free countries? I know they probably wouldn't let you buy SW radios, but in situations where you are very physically close to a free land, did they have a way of stopping it? Did they broadcast "on top of" the free channels with a stronger signal or something?
@christo930 You could buy SW radios. They couldn't stop anybody from receiving West German TV or radio programs. I watched MacGyver, Simon & Simon and my parents were totally into Dynasty. Every Sunday evening, I'd listen to a great political radio show on RIAS Berlin, a station sponsored by the US. However, you had to be careful about whom you talked to about what you had seen on TV. I never mentioned it in school.
@jmelkis They could, but the stasi lacked computers, they used index cards, typewriters, and thousands of spies. Very few people had even a frikken telephone. You had to wait for 10+ years to buy a car or a deep freezer. The entire society was trying to make the best of the scarcity that resulted from the political control of the economy, so it was more effective to try win informers among "suspicious" social groups, like hippies, alternative folks, etc. VIPs like figure skater Katarina Witt
@RachelBartlett had their apartment bugged, but for most people, it was more personal -- you had to decide if you could trust your friends and family. Many people learnt that their best friend or even their spouse had been a stasi informer. That was a million times more psychologically devastating than learning your bedroom was bugged.
I saw the movie subtitled a few months ago! I thought it was amazing. :D You might also enjoy "Good Bye, Lenin". It followed a family as they adjusted to life in East Germany before and after the Iron Curtain fell. Great acting and storyline, as well as a shocking (at least for me) view of Communism.
Saw the movie because Limbaugh recommended it. Good movie, not a blockbuster, but it shows the tyranny of a controlling government very well. Scary stuff. The party has the last word on your life and your work. Obamacare anybody?
The volt was approved for production at least a year before the bailout. Almost all major car companys are working on hybrid or full electriy cars. Volt bashing seems to be the hot topic for conservative bloggers right now. You can probably complain about the high price of the car like hotair did, but complaining about a higher electric bill due to the volt is just stupid.
@tinman2k1 It isn't half as stupid when YOU"RE the one paying the bill. If the Volt were such a great product, then why would it need any subsidy? Did DVD players need a subsidy? Airplanes? Personal Computers? The problem with electric cars is the fact that one way or another you're going to spend the fuel to produce the power. In other words, you're not so much saving money on gas. Indeed, with cap and tax, you'll end up spending more money on energy overall.
@MikeTMerciless But you save the money on petrol, in the end you will probably save more money from buying petrol than having to spend on charging your e-car. If you are expecting energy prices to rise due to cap and trade, well than cap and trade is the probem and not the e-car. You will have to pay for the fuel that is consumed by your car, whatever that maybe, afterall no one is expecting the volt to be run by fairy dust.
@tinman2k1 Where I might save money on gas I'd end up spending probably twice as much on electricity, cap and tax or not. Consider though that the electric car has been an idea thrown out there for more than a century. Yes, a whole century. Why haven't they caught on? You'd think someone out there would make them work and be profitable without a subsidy. Why not? In short, dependability. Electric vehicles are just not particularly dependable.
@MikeTMerciless Again, where are you taking this from? I'm seeing so many made up and fictional arguments against EVs it's not even funny, at least point out the real problems.
@Vitaminous As an engineer, I know what I'm talking about. EVs are not dependable in and of themselves unless specially designed for specific tasks. Take the Lunar Rovers. Those were electric. You'd think that the space program might've been more of an incentive to "spur" this techological innovation, but sadly no. Why? Because EVs have a very limited framework of use compared to the instant power of internal combustion.
@Vitaminous We generally do. But who knows; maybe Chevy finally solved the inherent flaws of EVs? But as I also understand that it's not truly a pure EV, but a hybrid . Consider that for a minute. This is a vehicle that the designers KNOW cannot be sustained on batteries alone. IF, as you say, I lied about the dependability of EVs, why hasn't anyone mass marketed them by now instead of going to a hybrid vehicle? Because batteries are simply not dependable enough.
@MikeTMerciless It's not an hybrid, it's a range-extended battery powered EV. The difference been the electric motor drives the wheels at all times, while say in a Prius it's in alternance. GM thought it was the solution that made the most sense to most people and that's why they've come to market with a product like that while say Nissan is coming out with an EV which will optimistically provide you with a range of 200 miles.
@Vitaminous The Volt has an electrical generator operated on gasoline that has to continually provide power to the vehicle in order to both move it and recharge the batteries, or otherwise the touted 40 mile range would severely limit the Volt but it would begin petering out well before then, slowing down because as they drain they lose voltage. So, it is a hybrid in that is actually, primarily, has to use the gas generator to get the Volt to be anywhere as reliable as a regular car.
@Vitaminous Here's a question for you. Why hasn't anyone made a pure EV airplane? If what you say is true, get rid of Jets. They pollute far more than any 100 cars combined in one flight. If EV cars were as dependable as you imply, then there ought to be an EV aircraft of some kind that functions just as well as a gas powered aircraft by now. Strange why that hasn't happened yet. Must be the conspiracy to keep EV aircraft out of the sky or something.
But it makes as much sense as making one out of iron (cars are made out of that, planes aren't). aeronotics and automotive aren't exactly the same. If you're going to make an EV plane, you're going to need ultra-capacitators or you're gonna design something ridiculous that doesn't carry a passenger (so far).
@Vitaminous No they haven't; or at least they haven't mass-produced it. I know of solar powered airplanes, and a few electrical experiments, but that's all they were, experiments. And they all proved the point I'm trying to get through to you; lack of dependability. As you've pointed out, in order to make the vehicle as good as a regular aircraft, they'd have to design it so that it's impractical. Just as EVs have been for the last century. But, what do I know?
Ooops...made a mistake. In order to make an EV aircraft as perform as good as a regular aircraft, you'd end up with a situation where by virtue of the powerplant you simply could not make it as good as a regular aircraft in terms of equivalent performance. In other words, to equal the performance and dependability of a modern piston-driven aircraft, you'd end up making it utterly impractical for anyone to use. So, in effect, this is currently an impossibility.
@MikeTMerciless That's why I'm not saying it's a good idea for aircraft while having a PEV makes complete sense for automobiles because you can 'afford' the weight factor. A Prius can make sense for pretty much everyone and if it doesn't, there's the two-mode hybrid system for trucks, buses and the likes. Any improvement we can make is one we should progressively adopt with market forces.
But yeah I also take issue with the Volt's pricing, even though you can lease it for 350 a month.
@Vitaminous The problem with hybrids is that they aren't as good as regular cars. By the fact that in the Prius and hybrid trucks and SUVs you have two power-trains instead of the one that you'd get in regular car. All that weight means less cargo and performance overall than you'd get in a non-hybrid car. The Volt is less hybrid in this regard but still has TWO power trains in order to make it reliable.
@MikeTMerciless Even with the added weight of the battery pack and the engine (the Prius ain't that fat) That doesn't stop it from being efficient.
It needs two powertrains because the battery packs in present hybrids are NiMH - thus cannot keep their charge, however they achieve their objective and that is consuming much less petroleum than the norm. Of course some diesels in Europe are considered even more efficient, but these vehicles are often smaller than the norm.
@Vitaminous The huge advantage over a regular internal combustion engine car over a hybrid is sheer dependability, but let me define this. If I take care of a regular car with preventative maintenance, and if I don't have an accident, I can be certain that I'll have roughly the same performance out of it in terms of range, speed, and mileage as long as I own it. EVs cannot yet do this; you'd have to have frequent periodic battery changes, which is rather like changing out your engine.
@MikeTMerciless ICEs get less and less efficient overtime too, but admittedly less than a battery pack loses its charge. However, the EV requires MUCH less maintenance than a gasoline powered car over say, the term of its warranty and beyond because we're talking about much much less moving parts.
«You'd have to have frequent periodic battery changes, which is rather like changing out your engine.» Given that most battery packs in Priuses haven't necessitated replacement...
@Vitaminous Now you're trying to use the hybrid to defend the EV. The hybrid uses a gasoline engine of some kind to recharge the batteries. Sorry, if you have to use a tried and true ICE in order to keep batteries charged, why bother with batteries in the first place?
@MikeTMerciless and say, GM 3.1L engines did over the same period of time/mileage, I'm sort of dumbfounded as to which technology is more dependable. Of course something that in its nearly full maturity vs. something that is seeing advances practically every year the mature tech is going to be the most dependable.
@Vitaminous ICEs are still more dependable. Until batteries or fuel cells generate their own power in some way other than with a gas engine that converts fossil fuel into electricity, they will always be inferior. There is one way to make EVs equal if not better than ICEs, but I don't think you'd go with it - Nuclear power. A nuclear powered steam generator would provide all the electricity you'd need without refueling for years.
@MikeTMerciless To clarify, until an EV generates power in a way different than an internal combustion engine does equal to or superior to, such as a nuclear powered vehicle, they will always be inferior. It may be that the regular engine needs more maintenance, but the dependability does come with a cost. A nuclear powered car, naturally, might be a bit impractical in case of a wreck. Also might be a bit heavy with the reactor, but think of the fuel you'd save.
@MikeTMerciless The real difference in reality is that while EVs have always been the next big thing, it's only recently that the battery technology started making sense as investments in mobile computing have been tremendous since the market for such devices has been in a constant explosion since... Well, mostly the 90's. We've seen the appearance of Li-ion battery technology and now ultracapacitors are being looked at along with several alternatives as solutions to the eventual shortage of li.
@Vitaminous A car is a wholly different thing than a small-powered electronic device. Though Li-Ion batteries have come a long way, they're still nowhere near where they'd have to be in order to effectively replace the internal combustion engine, and this is why they have to have a government subsidy, because private investors know a stinker when they see one. It might pay out say, in 2030 or so, but that's a long way off.
Note, I'm not opposed to innovation, I'm opposed to contrived innovation, which is what this all is. The Volt is a government mandated solution to a hoax: Manmade Global Warming. This has nothing to do with pollution or saving gas because modern vehicles do a pretty good job of that (even before CAFE standards). This is more about government control. If the Volt is so great then it shouldn't need a subsidy. Let people decide for themselves if its good or not by voting with their money.
@tinman2k1 With regard to dependability, what I mean is that the vehicle has to operate in most any weather, rain, snow, sunshine. It has to carry a significant load that an ordinary car might expect to carry, and do so as far as I need it to, and go at the speeds I want it to go that I would expect a ordinary car to do. Though electric vehicles have been known to go very fast, and carry a lot of cargo, they can't do both as dependably as internal combustion.
@jmelkis A new smart power grid is probably the only way to protect the power grid, and therefore the entire country from terrorist attacks agianst the infrastructure. You are willing to spend several trillion dollars to fight terrorist overseas, you might be interested to spare several billions to update the power grid. But that all is moot, because as soon as electric cars gain more market share power companies will probably battle or start joint ventures with petrol companies.
@MikeTMerciless Also, with the new "smart grid," our choices when it comes to what to do with our electricity will be rather limited, either by cost or by control from others.
@jmelkis There's a...well, I wouldn't call it a movement....but a creeping toward technology where you can generate more of your own electricity at your own home. Some of it is more promising than the national windmill initiatives and is more feasible especially on a smaller economic scale. Right now it's more geared toward saving money than generating electricity, but there are some interesting developments in this regard.
The Lives of Others hit rather close to home for me. Parts of my family lived in East Germany and they've seen this film. One part that they commented about was the Joke scene, where some of the Stasi are in the cafeteria making a joke about the East German General Secretary Erich Honecker. They told me that this is how it was, that you had to really watch what you said over there for fear there would be some sort of reprisal, as was done to that person who made the joke.
the volt is not a purely electric car. yes the battery only lasts about 40 miles, but it has a 5 gallon gas tank and a 1 cylinder engine that recharges the battery when it gets low. Theoretically, it has about a 370, give or take 20, mile range.
My name is Volke Benaganush of the West Cresterson Socialist Party and I am very offended by this video. Socialism is good! IT THINKS OF THE PEOPLE!!!!
I realize conservatives do their best to align themselves more with the artist's community so they don't seem like a bunch of uncultured asses. It's a little despicable actually. I'm pretty conservative myself and a musician as well and for the most part, would probably disagree with most all artist political views.
I quite frankly can't stand most of there idiotic views. It's an interesting dilemma, but one I'm willing to accept. I think my point is: you can still like art and disagree, or not identify with the artists community politically. Don't try so hard.
The teachers' labor unions have done such a spectacular job of keeping kids ignorant that many grow up to believe that the toxic political theology of atheist-socialism, which hides under the L-word in America, is some kind of new and cool idea.
went out on a limb there trying to tie current US politics with GDR politics eh?
TraptbyBenjamin 10 months ago
Its a great film, but your political analysis is, um, well, fucking stupid.
ilovecrap 1 year ago
@ilovecrap You're fucking stupid. Dumb ass cunt.
TheFreePisces 11 months ago
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Why the fuck is this faggot reviewing a movie that's been out for years?
pickling6 1 year ago
good job, keep speaking the truth
wh1teflower 1 year ago
Re: Volt
GM started the Volt project in the early 2000's and sped it up in the mid-2000s, when gas prices were spiking, and well before the government bailout.
Average cost per mile when running on batteries should, depending on electric costs, be cheaper than running on gas. The 40-mile electric range is based on the average distance a commuter drives in a day.
Your other pieces are so well researched, it's disappointing when you make uninformed statements like these.
jbmcb 1 year ago 2
The STASI controlled EVERY little aspect of those peoples lifes. Communists east Germany was the biggest prison cell in history. A true story!
Lintflas 1 year ago
I watched it based on this review, it was fantastic!
cody34429 1 year ago
What's funny is one of my college prof., who is probably as liberal as they get, also likes this film quite a bit, and showed it to us in class. Goes to show, no matter your politics, we can all learn to appreciate the same, great forms of art.
King191912 1 year ago
You are right, it's a great movie. I recomend then to see "good bye lenin", it's as good as this one.
jmarraztoa 1 year ago 2
Next time, start right off with the political statement in an entertaining way. Then it can become a viral video and the word will really get out.
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eurogoldexchange 1 year ago
another WWII movie...
Mostdef 1 year ago
@Mostdef
It's supposed to be 1980's East Germany...
IFawDown2 1 year ago
Thanks Lee! I'd stop short of calling it one of the greatest movies I've even seen, but it was really good. Nice review, and thanks for sharing ^^
tbriley42 1 year ago
It won't be long until Obama turns us into Berlin 1984.
AmericanMega 1 year ago
For some humor you should check out a video from college humor "Barack Obama's BBQ"
riskbusin3ss 1 year ago
oh man that was a great movie. it was pretty sad but, the ending remedied it.
cassandra5322 1 year ago
@cassandra5322 Thanks for the spoiler.
Bucknik 1 year ago
If backing the development of an automobile is akin to the tyranny and oppression of East Germany, I'd love to hear your opinion of extraordinary rendition, warrentless surveillance, and "enhanced" interrogation techniques.
superpoopoop 1 year ago
thumbs up
yougiberishtube 1 year ago
(Continue Part 2)I plan to do everything in my power to take this thing down. I would take advice from any DECENT person of any political persuasion. Leave a comment on my board or send me a Private Message. Like you videos Lee
taylorbrett44 1 year ago
This may be off topic but I have a serious question to ask. I am new to You Tube but it seems like someone has already made a “CLONED” account of me. It is basically 95 percent full of LIES and FALSEHOODS. As I stated I am new to You Tube and still feeling my way around so to speak. Is there anyway I can get this “CLONED” account taken down?
taylorbrett44 1 year ago
Check out " Who Killed the Electric Car". It's a good documentary.
Halo2100 1 year ago
GM produced and entirely electric car 10 years ago called the EV-1. It could go 120 miles per charge. It got scrapped due to political and most likely big oil actions. Then GM produces a new "electric" car that only goes 40 miles per charge? That is the biggest joke I've ever seen.
Halo2100 1 year ago
Um the lives of others is an awesome movie, but it's a bit of a stretch to compare it to our society today. Especially on a website where you can totally express your dissent against the government without fear of retaliation.
italkktoomuch 1 year ago
@italkktoomuch For now.
cowboy1165 1 year ago
@italkktoomuch Uh, not at all. Videos get taken down all the time for the flimsiest of reasons, leftists here on youtube, all the time, are using the flimsiest most trumped up charges to say that a video is offensive, or violates copyright even when the content used is clearly permissible under fair use. YouTube say they don't want to get into any litigation. A pro-Israel parody song was taken down for "copyright" because it spoofed an earlier song.
This is just youtube alone.
GlengarryGlennBeck 1 year ago 2
@GlengarryGlennBeck It's their right to do whatever with their website, It happens to everyone. Apparently, Lee isn't being harassed and he's expressing his dissent, conservative news media, drinkingqwithbob, and so on. So yea, there are 20 other pro Israel vids I just counted alone on youtube. I don't say this about everybody, but you are a little paranoid.
italkktoomuch 1 year ago
@italkktoomuch Let's recap how your arguments have changed here. First it was "dude you're speaking out on a website where you have no fear of retaliation!" and now I actually pointed out the censorship, it's "Dude, it's their website they can do whatever they like with it!"
I'm not paranoid. You just have your head in the sand. Go back to your ignorant land of bliss you chronic fuckwit.
GlengarryGlennBeck 1 year ago
@italkktoomuch Oh and you didnt even bother to respons to my points about the Whitehouse's "Flag" initative. Or their ideas about how journalists should require a "license" that is reviewed by the government...
Fucking utter fuckwit. "Dude it's Obama's white house he can do whatever he wants with it! You're just paranoiiiiiid!"
GlengarryGlennBeck 1 year ago
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italkktoomuch 1 year ago
@italkktoomuch Forget youtube. Last year the White House established an email address where they requested people report "suspicious" people making "misinformation" aboutObama's healthcare plan. There have even been murmurings about the Democrats wanting all bloggers to require a "License".
I mean, it's the most scary time for free speech since the 1930s.
You are astonishingly ignorant to make a remark like that.
GlengarryGlennBeck 1 year ago 2
@GlengarryGlennBeck
Actually the email address was so people could submit the talking points against the bill. It was setup to quell the misinformation being spread at the time, and this whole idea that the email address is actually used to report other people is a bunch of nonsense put out by the very people spreading the misinformation in the first place.
Nice name btw.
LoryLandskipper 1 year ago
@GlengarryGlennBeck I didn't bother with the Whitehouse Flag because there guy under me already said something about that by the time I responded, why go over it again. I still stand by my statement that Lee is allowed to express his dissent against the government without fear of retaliation. The government has not retaliated against Lee in any sort of way. You pointed out people who violated youtube's policies in some sort of a way, not retaliation. That's all
italkktoomuch 1 year ago
@italkktoomuch So people shouldn't complain about censorship until it happens to them.
Wow that's a brilliant philosophy you have there. I'm sure that will work out well.
I guess the police should stop trying to prevent crime too, and just wait until it happens. Otherwise they're just being PARANOIDDDDDDDZZZZZZZ
GlengarryGlennBeck 1 year ago
@GlengarryGlennBeck You're getting way off. That movie was about their government retaliating against it's own citizens. In no way have you shown how this is going on. Instead you talk about youtube (a privately owned company) that is strict with it's policies. If you don't like youtube's policies, because it's not a website where you can throw anything up, believe it or not. You are entirely free to start your own website and post whatever you'd like.
italkktoomuch 1 year ago
@italkktoomuch No, what's happened here is in the beginning you said "You are posting a website where you can criticise the government without fear of retaliation".
Now I've pointed out some ways in which people were censored, you're backpedallign and saying "oh well it's a private company d00000d"
GlengarryGlennBeck 1 year ago
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italkktoomuch 1 year ago
@GlengarryGlennBeck my goodness here is a definition of
retaliation
transitive verb : to repay (as an injury) in kind
intransitive verb : to return like for like; especially : to get revenge
No one has sought revenge or retribution against anybody on youtube except other youtubers with videos. Youtube censors get over it, but it is in no way retribution or retaliation.
italkktoomuch 1 year ago
@italkktoomuch According to you hero obama, when someone starts lookign stuff up in the dictionary, it shows they're losing the argument, so I think this is the time for you to fuck off.
GlengarryGlennBeck 1 year ago
@GlengarryGlennBeck Who cares what Obama says, I'm so gonna take this as a win. awwwww yeaaaaaaaaaa lol.
italkktoomuch 1 year ago
@GlengarryGlennBeck now here's a def of Censor
1 : a person who supervises conduct and morals: as a : an official who examines materials (as publications or films) for objectionable matter b : an official (as in time of war) who reads communications (as letters) and deletes material considered sensitive or harmful
Clearly notice that retaliation and censor have two distinct different definitions. Be mad that youtube censors all you want, but that is not retaliation dude.
italkktoomuch 1 year ago
@GlengarryGlennBeck italkktoomuch never heard the story.. they came for the polish and I said nothing because I wasn't polish, then they came for the Jews and I said nothing because I wasn't polish..etc..Then they came for me. I looked around for someone to help and there was no one.. he is a typical liberal illiterate..
carlindelco 1 year ago
@carlindelco Hey, I'm not the one categorizing everybody. Just let me know when the government starts coming for people. Illiterate? Come on dude, I can at least read and write. :)
italkktoomuch 1 year ago
@italkktoomuch They have already started they're attack on those who don't pull the party line.. they hate FNC and conservative radio.. that's the first step... you need to read a little history pal...You may be able to sound out the words like a computer but just like a computer you can not as of yet actually think,
carlindelco 1 year ago
@carlindelco Yea, cause not liking something or what someone is saying is the exact equivalent of stopping them from saying it and telling them they don't have a right to say it. And simply because I don't agree with totally means I can't think for myself. Got ya.
italkktoomuch 1 year ago
@italkktoomuch Really ? All I said was that people in the party dems/prog in the gov are actively pursuing means to squelch and or silence FNC . It would be different if they only opposed the opinion..the hypocrisy is ridiculous 1)they always claim everyone has the right to do) only when a conservative is in office i guess, palin, bush, christie etc). and 2) use to say it was patriotic to voice your concern about the gov. NOW the opposing voice is a threat..? please
carlindelco 1 year ago
@carlindelco You used a quote that talks about genocide and mass murder. I was supposed to get that you were talking about the silencing of media outlets from that quote. I'm just saying.
italkktoomuch 1 year ago
@italkktoomuch I used it because of the underlying axiom.. which is applicable to many scenarios and examples//...that's all...
carlindelco 1 year ago
@italkktoomuch YouTube crumbles under the slightest bit of pressure from leftists to remove videos. Last year Alaskan democrat bloggers took down an anti-obama channel.
I could go on. Do you want me to, or do you want to just shut up and admit you're astonishingly fuck-ignorant?
GlengarryGlennBeck 1 year ago
@GlengarryGlennBeck
Actually I would like you to go on, because I've seen what you're talking about happen to everyone, regardless of political views. Youtube seems to buckle under any pressure from anywhere, and I've seen videos posted from people talking about how their channel has been removed along with all their videos. Heck, MoxNews had to create a backup account, and all he does is post news segments!
Open your eyes man. It's not as one sided as you make it sound.
LoryLandskipper 1 year ago
@HowTheWorldWorks
I enjoyed the movie review, but bashing the Volt is not needed.
1) It's been in the works for some time. (at least since 2007). It's not the result of the government loans.
2) It's a plug in hybrid, and yes it gets 40 miles per charge, but it also uses gas. The idea being that you can do your commute entirely on battery. (if your commute is < 40)
You remind of the people bashing on "the social network" movie trailer. A lot of us have been waiting years time for this Volt.
17R3W 1 year ago
nothing beats the matrix
MirageScience 1 year ago
Lee, what are your thoughts on the movie: "Lord of War"? From an economic perspective, I found the movie fascinating.
neue99 1 year ago
And yes it is a fantastic movie, and it shouldn't be trivialized by cultureless tards.
R0undAboutMidnight 1 year ago
I don't think that state survailance of the private lives of citizens can really be equated with the government wanting certain cars to be produced. Just saying . . . You paranoid loon.
R0undAboutMidnight 1 year ago
@R0undAboutMidnight : He said it was happening SLOWLY. And it is. Open your eyes and you'll see your liberty being slowly taken away. Obama and his cronies are left wing loons. All Marxist, socialist ding dongs. Six more years of Obama and YOU might be the OTHER. I'm just sayin'.
jurassical 1 year ago
@jurassical Another paranoid teabagger. Yawn . . . That's all I have to say to people of your ilk. Yawn.
R0undAboutMidnight 1 year ago
@R0undAboutMidnight
Sometimes paranoia's just having all the facts. Quote from William S. Burroughs.
The Tea Party or "teabaggers" as you call them aren't all conservatives like me. They have merely opened their eyes and realize what's really going on in Obamaland. Nighty-night my clueless friend.
jurassical 1 year ago
@jurassical William Burroughs would have hated this manipulative schmuk.
R0undAboutMidnight 1 year ago
@jurassical he doesn't care about having his liberties taken away because he's never used them. the concept of thought crime doesn't scare him because he's never had an original thought.
he's a craven little faggot who never grew out of being a school prefect. just like pretty much all leftists.
GlengarryGlennBeck 1 year ago 2
i think all the pompous movie critics are going to change their opinions on this movie when they find out Rush likes it
GlengarryGlennBeck 1 year ago
amerca's fucked, hong kong is fucked. maccau is fucked. singapore is fucked. japan's been fucked. we're all fucked.
19fas88 1 year ago
Government can't even do GOVERNMENT right, much less run numerous businesses or control economy! God, how STUPID do these leftards have to get before they learn that GOVERNMENT IS INCOMPETENT!!!
QuartuvLarry 1 year ago
@QuartuvLarry You're generalizing. This doesn't apply to every country nor every form of government. But yeah, you need a strong free-market to sustain the welfare-state either way.
See: Sweden - Reason had a bit about this a couple of weeks back.
Vitaminous 1 year ago
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QuartuvLarry 1 year ago
@QuartuvLarry Yeah you seem unaware of how bureaucracies work.
The closer a government is to its people, the more efficient the bureaucracy will be, usually. That's why a lot of libertarians argue that leaving so-called socialist activities to municipal governments is the best thing. Sweden is a homogeneous nation that has no problem dealing with its various levels of governance. You cannot replicate their 'way of life' in America.
Vitaminous 1 year ago
@Vitaminous They're homogeneous FOR NOW, but there's a growing portent of islamic thuggery in Malmo that really needs to be harshly dealt with. And it's true that governance is better when localized, as opposed to some power-monger far away on the Hill.
I'm seeing, however, that the dollar collapse will affect everyone; not just Sweden.
QuartuvLarry 1 year ago
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@Vitaminous The lethargy of a people to depend upon its government can only come to a ruinous end. Sweden, and all of Europe for that matter, leans their economic welfare upon the dollar. We are their guarantors of their welfare, and we currently have nothing to back it up. They won't last.
QuartuvLarry 1 year ago
I think I'll watch this movie tonight. It sounds great.
Have you seen the 1969 Spartacus with Kirk Douglas? That's another outstanding pro-freedom film.
Beethovens7th 1 year ago
Been to a Stasi prison and I thought the story's of a former prisoner there where incredible. Only a few hours travelling from here....
wistals2deniks 1 year ago
I'm so glad to hear you enjoyed it! I just saw it for the first time about a month ago and I though the very same thing.
I saw it because it was rated #1 best Conservative movie in the past 25 years in National Review. What prompted you to see it?
If you get the DVD, the 30-minute "Making Of" section with the director is really enlightening.
Thanks for this one Mr. Doren!
ShiningOmega 1 year ago
Agreed. One of the greatest films ever made.
There's a French film called "L'affaire Farewell" whose trailer boasts to be this years Lives of Others. It's about a disenchanted KGB agent who funnels information to the US in 1981.
How sad is it that we have to look to Germany and France for films about the horrors of communism.
Remember 2008's "Taken"? Yeah, written and directed by French dudes.
CowboyArtist 1 year ago
The Lives of Others is sertainly a good movie.
@HowTheWorldWorks, you pursue a line of argument against "big" government based on loss of liberty. You do not pursue the argument against "big" government based on lack of efficiency in the government?
East Germany and the Soviet block came to an end due to inefficicy of their "big" goverment. One party states like China which has reformed the economy has not collapsed.
In view of this, why do you choose the liberty argument?
ddxhtml 1 year ago
I *love* this movie! Not only does it illuminate the horrors of the Stasi, it is beautifully made. I think is especially compelling because the main characters are not black/white and good/evil. The complexity of their situation is very real and a normal person can see themselves as either the writer or the agent, making it even more chilling.
carolyncriss 1 year ago
I added this movie to my netflix list. I live with a very liberal roommate so maybe this might speak to him a little.
avacoffeemug 1 year ago
Anyone who believes that we only have a small amount of government control and that we couldn't go down this slippery slope obviously hasn't studied history. Remember the income tax? At first it was only a small tax on very wealthy people, and its proponents at the time said it would only be that way.
xp19375 1 year ago
Just keep the government out of my Swiss bank account.
matman125 1 year ago 2
Excellent review for an excellent movie. What you say is true. And the scary thing about East Germany was that this movie was not far from the truth when it came to monitoring people.
Also, about electric cars, we can expect brownouts in the areas which will receive the cars first. One of those is the Portland, Oregon area where I live.
jmelkis 1 year ago
America is not a free country, the left has pretty much won unless Americans grow a brain. It won't be enough to simply take back seats in November and in 2012, America has gone over the edge. For there to be a real turn around, Americans are going to have to stay focused for YEARS and demand massive legislative repeals and not stop demanding them until the stranglehold by the left is finally broken. It is a very big uphill fight and unfortunately most of our citizens are ignorant lemmings.
kmg501 1 year ago
Wow, completely ruined what you were saying about objective standards by appealing to other's reviews at the end.
Individualism101 1 year ago
Did you get that on Limbaugh's recommendation? I heard him say that last week. It's a total classic indeed.
pinegrove33 1 year ago
Say NO to the Nannycrats.
TonyUnplugged 1 year ago
Slowly yes, but look at the last year alone when a true socialist has taken power; a truly scary leap.
bisna536 1 year ago
I actually like the Chevy Volt. I hate how they subsidize it though. Other people should not be paying for part of my car.
zantrua 1 year ago
@zantrua
Thank you. I got a little pissed when Lee claimed "Nobodies gonna purchase ", "It's not a great car", etc.
BTW, if you want. You can donate $7,500 to a charity if you want to make the Government a subsidy a wash.
I would suggest DVD's for Troops!
17R3W 1 year ago
ima go watch the flick, thanks for the suggestion
SaveOurSovereignty3 1 year ago
Thanks Lee. I'll check it out.
tastlykvalntines 1 year ago
good movie
lucas5101 1 year ago
Totally agree, this is an amazing movie. It's a pity that America is becoming more like East Germany than the bastion of individual liberty it was founded to be. Looking for the Constitution? Check the shredder in the Oval Office or in Congress.
The democrat party is looking a lot like the east European communists these days.
KnightOwl2006 1 year ago
watch?v=YfTiRNzbSko&feature=channel
I heartily recommend you view this, even though I don't completely agree with everything that's said (intro and so forth), but he's got some great arguments.
As for my knowledge of the Volt - I'm a gearhead, it didn't come from him or his show or any green-oriented website.
Vitaminous 1 year ago
Lee, before bashing stuff you ought to educate yourself about it.
Save from subsidies the government has nothing to do with the development of the Chevy Volt nor is it limited to its 40 mile range plus I don't quite understand how having a couple people plugging in their cars is any different from the bulk of the population adopting computers in mass.
The Volt has a ICE (combustion engine) generator that basically recharges the battery from the 40-mile point.
Vitaminous 1 year ago
@Vitaminous Anyway you basically parroted Limbaugh on this one.
I'm not GM supporter, for the record.
And to whoever said that '40 miles is well under the average commute', that is not only statistically untrue; it doesn't matter. It's an additional choice in a market where people buy vehicles they don't necessarily need but so what? Who are we to tell them what to buy? And since when is premium gas an argument against a car anyway? We're talking about pennies per gallon in additional cost.
Vitaminous 1 year ago
Thinking about this movie is scarie than any horror movie
Boethius3007 1 year ago
if this guy or anyone thinks that america is headed to a socialist state with obama (who is centre right compared to other leaders around the world), then conservatives have actually lost the plot.
prafty 1 year ago
@prafty
How exactly is Obama center right? He favors welfare programs and wars - both elements of the left in this country.
xp19375 1 year ago
@xp19375 wars? so was bush a leftist :|
prafty 1 year ago
@prafty
He was a statist.
Don't forget about Wilson, FDR, Truman, Kennedy, and Johnson. All liberals, all warmongers.
xp19375 1 year ago
Fabulous points on how American is slowly, but surely, moving towards total government control. There are just too many of those who are in denial.
itsafunthingtodo 1 year ago
@itsafunthingtodo total government control? lol
prafty 1 year ago
sounds like the USA 2013, a year after Obama signs an executive order dissolving the congress, and stooping the election process.
Brantoc 1 year ago
@Brantoc you're an idiot
prafty 1 year ago
@prafty It is mostly a joke. but plausible.
Brantoc 1 year ago
The Volt is not a true electric car, it's a fancy looking, underpowered hybrid with a range of only about 300 mile, a battery carries the car 40 miles, well under the average commute of most Americans and then a premium gas engine takes over
WorldAccording2ME 1 year ago
Lives of Others was a Limbaugh recommendation.
VonHOG 1 year ago
Good video.
foureyes99 1 year ago
It lost me early. I'll have to give it another try.
pumkinpi2 1 year ago
Agreed. I got it off itunes last night. It's a great movie.
K1r0ft 1 year ago
You JUST saw the Lives of others? My government teacher showed us. I agree, it was fantastisch!
migkillertwo 1 year ago
Homeland security. *shudder*
ScottishAtheist 1 year ago
GM has been working on the Chevy Volt for years, you can't blame that one on the gov.
How did the E. German gov stop citizens from picking up the radio and tv programs from W. Germany and other free countries? I know they probably wouldn't let you buy SW radios, but in situations where you are very physically close to a free land, did they have a way of stopping it? Did they broadcast "on top of" the free channels with a stronger signal or something?
christo930 1 year ago
@christo930 You could buy SW radios. They couldn't stop anybody from receiving West German TV or radio programs. I watched MacGyver, Simon & Simon and my parents were totally into Dynasty. Every Sunday evening, I'd listen to a great political radio show on RIAS Berlin, a station sponsored by the US. However, you had to be careful about whom you talked to about what you had seen on TV. I never mentioned it in school.
RachelBartlett 1 year ago
@RachelBartlett Interesting...but couldn't the Stasi bug your home? I mean, apparently, it was more common than anyone ever thought.
jmelkis 1 year ago
@jmelkis They could, but the stasi lacked computers, they used index cards, typewriters, and thousands of spies. Very few people had even a frikken telephone. You had to wait for 10+ years to buy a car or a deep freezer. The entire society was trying to make the best of the scarcity that resulted from the political control of the economy, so it was more effective to try win informers among "suspicious" social groups, like hippies, alternative folks, etc. VIPs like figure skater Katarina Witt
RachelBartlett 1 year ago
@RachelBartlett had their apartment bugged, but for most people, it was more personal -- you had to decide if you could trust your friends and family. Many people learnt that their best friend or even their spouse had been a stasi informer. That was a million times more psychologically devastating than learning your bedroom was bugged.
RachelBartlett 1 year ago
@RachelBartlett Thank god for the inefficiency of governments!
christo930 1 year ago
I saw the movie subtitled a few months ago! I thought it was amazing. :D You might also enjoy "Good Bye, Lenin". It followed a family as they adjusted to life in East Germany before and after the Iron Curtain fell. Great acting and storyline, as well as a shocking (at least for me) view of Communism.
flippityflop 1 year ago
Saw the movie because Limbaugh recommended it. Good movie, not a blockbuster, but it shows the tyranny of a controlling government very well. Scary stuff. The party has the last word on your life and your work. Obamacare anybody?
averagejoe040 1 year ago
The volt was approved for production at least a year before the bailout. Almost all major car companys are working on hybrid or full electriy cars. Volt bashing seems to be the hot topic for conservative bloggers right now. You can probably complain about the high price of the car like hotair did, but complaining about a higher electric bill due to the volt is just stupid.
tinman2k1 1 year ago
@tinman2k1 It isn't half as stupid when YOU"RE the one paying the bill. If the Volt were such a great product, then why would it need any subsidy? Did DVD players need a subsidy? Airplanes? Personal Computers? The problem with electric cars is the fact that one way or another you're going to spend the fuel to produce the power. In other words, you're not so much saving money on gas. Indeed, with cap and tax, you'll end up spending more money on energy overall.
MikeTMerciless 1 year ago
@MikeTMerciless But you save the money on petrol, in the end you will probably save more money from buying petrol than having to spend on charging your e-car. If you are expecting energy prices to rise due to cap and trade, well than cap and trade is the probem and not the e-car. You will have to pay for the fuel that is consumed by your car, whatever that maybe, afterall no one is expecting the volt to be run by fairy dust.
tinman2k1 1 year ago
@tinman2k1 Where I might save money on gas I'd end up spending probably twice as much on electricity, cap and tax or not. Consider though that the electric car has been an idea thrown out there for more than a century. Yes, a whole century. Why haven't they caught on? You'd think someone out there would make them work and be profitable without a subsidy. Why not? In short, dependability. Electric vehicles are just not particularly dependable.
MikeTMerciless 1 year ago
@MikeTMerciless Again, where are you taking this from? I'm seeing so many made up and fictional arguments against EVs it's not even funny, at least point out the real problems.
Vitaminous 1 year ago
@Vitaminous Here's a real problem that we can look forward to thanks to electric vehicles: brownouts! Thanks a lot!
jmelkis 1 year ago
@Vitaminous As an engineer, I know what I'm talking about. EVs are not dependable in and of themselves unless specially designed for specific tasks. Take the Lunar Rovers. Those were electric. You'd think that the space program might've been more of an incentive to "spur" this techological innovation, but sadly no. Why? Because EVs have a very limited framework of use compared to the instant power of internal combustion.
MikeTMerciless 1 year ago
@MikeTMerciless Ah yes, Engineers knowing what they're talking about...
Vitaminous 1 year ago
@Vitaminous We generally do. But who knows; maybe Chevy finally solved the inherent flaws of EVs? But as I also understand that it's not truly a pure EV, but a hybrid . Consider that for a minute. This is a vehicle that the designers KNOW cannot be sustained on batteries alone. IF, as you say, I lied about the dependability of EVs, why hasn't anyone mass marketed them by now instead of going to a hybrid vehicle? Because batteries are simply not dependable enough.
MikeTMerciless 1 year ago
@MikeTMerciless It's not an hybrid, it's a range-extended battery powered EV. The difference been the electric motor drives the wheels at all times, while say in a Prius it's in alternance. GM thought it was the solution that made the most sense to most people and that's why they've come to market with a product like that while say Nissan is coming out with an EV which will optimistically provide you with a range of 200 miles.
Vitaminous 1 year ago
@Vitaminous The Volt has an electrical generator operated on gasoline that has to continually provide power to the vehicle in order to both move it and recharge the batteries, or otherwise the touted 40 mile range would severely limit the Volt but it would begin petering out well before then, slowing down because as they drain they lose voltage. So, it is a hybrid in that is actually, primarily, has to use the gas generator to get the Volt to be anywhere as reliable as a regular car.
MikeTMerciless 1 year ago
@Vitaminous Here's a question for you. Why hasn't anyone made a pure EV airplane? If what you say is true, get rid of Jets. They pollute far more than any 100 cars combined in one flight. If EV cars were as dependable as you imply, then there ought to be an EV aircraft of some kind that functions just as well as a gas powered aircraft by now. Strange why that hasn't happened yet. Must be the conspiracy to keep EV aircraft out of the sky or something.
MikeTMerciless 1 year ago
@MikeTMerciless They haven't? Actually, they did.
But it makes as much sense as making one out of iron (cars are made out of that, planes aren't). aeronotics and automotive aren't exactly the same. If you're going to make an EV plane, you're going to need ultra-capacitators or you're gonna design something ridiculous that doesn't carry a passenger (so far).
Vitaminous 1 year ago
@Vitaminous No they haven't; or at least they haven't mass-produced it. I know of solar powered airplanes, and a few electrical experiments, but that's all they were, experiments. And they all proved the point I'm trying to get through to you; lack of dependability. As you've pointed out, in order to make the vehicle as good as a regular aircraft, they'd have to design it so that it's impractical. Just as EVs have been for the last century. But, what do I know?
MikeTMerciless 1 year ago
Ooops...made a mistake. In order to make an EV aircraft as perform as good as a regular aircraft, you'd end up with a situation where by virtue of the powerplant you simply could not make it as good as a regular aircraft in terms of equivalent performance. In other words, to equal the performance and dependability of a modern piston-driven aircraft, you'd end up making it utterly impractical for anyone to use. So, in effect, this is currently an impossibility.
MikeTMerciless 1 year ago
@MikeTMerciless That's why I'm not saying it's a good idea for aircraft while having a PEV makes complete sense for automobiles because you can 'afford' the weight factor. A Prius can make sense for pretty much everyone and if it doesn't, there's the two-mode hybrid system for trucks, buses and the likes. Any improvement we can make is one we should progressively adopt with market forces.
But yeah I also take issue with the Volt's pricing, even though you can lease it for 350 a month.
Vitaminous 1 year ago
@Vitaminous The problem with hybrids is that they aren't as good as regular cars. By the fact that in the Prius and hybrid trucks and SUVs you have two power-trains instead of the one that you'd get in regular car. All that weight means less cargo and performance overall than you'd get in a non-hybrid car. The Volt is less hybrid in this regard but still has TWO power trains in order to make it reliable.
MikeTMerciless 1 year ago
@MikeTMerciless Even with the added weight of the battery pack and the engine (the Prius ain't that fat) That doesn't stop it from being efficient.
It needs two powertrains because the battery packs in present hybrids are NiMH - thus cannot keep their charge, however they achieve their objective and that is consuming much less petroleum than the norm. Of course some diesels in Europe are considered even more efficient, but these vehicles are often smaller than the norm.
Vitaminous 1 year ago
@Vitaminous The huge advantage over a regular internal combustion engine car over a hybrid is sheer dependability, but let me define this. If I take care of a regular car with preventative maintenance, and if I don't have an accident, I can be certain that I'll have roughly the same performance out of it in terms of range, speed, and mileage as long as I own it. EVs cannot yet do this; you'd have to have frequent periodic battery changes, which is rather like changing out your engine.
MikeTMerciless 1 year ago
@MikeTMerciless ICEs get less and less efficient overtime too, but admittedly less than a battery pack loses its charge. However, the EV requires MUCH less maintenance than a gasoline powered car over say, the term of its warranty and beyond because we're talking about much much less moving parts.
«You'd have to have frequent periodic battery changes, which is rather like changing out your engine.» Given that most battery packs in Priuses haven't necessitated replacement...
Vitaminous 1 year ago
@Vitaminous Now you're trying to use the hybrid to defend the EV. The hybrid uses a gasoline engine of some kind to recharge the batteries. Sorry, if you have to use a tried and true ICE in order to keep batteries charged, why bother with batteries in the first place?
MikeTMerciless 1 year ago
@MikeTMerciless and say, GM 3.1L engines did over the same period of time/mileage, I'm sort of dumbfounded as to which technology is more dependable. Of course something that in its nearly full maturity vs. something that is seeing advances practically every year the mature tech is going to be the most dependable.
Vitaminous 1 year ago
@Vitaminous ICEs are still more dependable. Until batteries or fuel cells generate their own power in some way other than with a gas engine that converts fossil fuel into electricity, they will always be inferior. There is one way to make EVs equal if not better than ICEs, but I don't think you'd go with it - Nuclear power. A nuclear powered steam generator would provide all the electricity you'd need without refueling for years.
MikeTMerciless 1 year ago
@MikeTMerciless To clarify, until an EV generates power in a way different than an internal combustion engine does equal to or superior to, such as a nuclear powered vehicle, they will always be inferior. It may be that the regular engine needs more maintenance, but the dependability does come with a cost. A nuclear powered car, naturally, might be a bit impractical in case of a wreck. Also might be a bit heavy with the reactor, but think of the fuel you'd save.
MikeTMerciless 1 year ago
@MikeTMerciless The real difference in reality is that while EVs have always been the next big thing, it's only recently that the battery technology started making sense as investments in mobile computing have been tremendous since the market for such devices has been in a constant explosion since... Well, mostly the 90's. We've seen the appearance of Li-ion battery technology and now ultracapacitors are being looked at along with several alternatives as solutions to the eventual shortage of li.
Vitaminous 1 year ago
@Vitaminous A car is a wholly different thing than a small-powered electronic device. Though Li-Ion batteries have come a long way, they're still nowhere near where they'd have to be in order to effectively replace the internal combustion engine, and this is why they have to have a government subsidy, because private investors know a stinker when they see one. It might pay out say, in 2030 or so, but that's a long way off.
MikeTMerciless 1 year ago
Note, I'm not opposed to innovation, I'm opposed to contrived innovation, which is what this all is. The Volt is a government mandated solution to a hoax: Manmade Global Warming. This has nothing to do with pollution or saving gas because modern vehicles do a pretty good job of that (even before CAFE standards). This is more about government control. If the Volt is so great then it shouldn't need a subsidy. Let people decide for themselves if its good or not by voting with their money.
MikeTMerciless 1 year ago
@tinman2k1 With regard to dependability, what I mean is that the vehicle has to operate in most any weather, rain, snow, sunshine. It has to carry a significant load that an ordinary car might expect to carry, and do so as far as I need it to, and go at the speeds I want it to go that I would expect a ordinary car to do. Though electric vehicles have been known to go very fast, and carry a lot of cargo, they can't do both as dependably as internal combustion.
MikeTMerciless 1 year ago
@tinman2k1 Oh no...we will all be paying for electric cars thanks to brownouts and the new "smart grid"
jmelkis 1 year ago
@jmelkis A new smart power grid is probably the only way to protect the power grid, and therefore the entire country from terrorist attacks agianst the infrastructure. You are willing to spend several trillion dollars to fight terrorist overseas, you might be interested to spare several billions to update the power grid. But that all is moot, because as soon as electric cars gain more market share power companies will probably battle or start joint ventures with petrol companies.
tinman2k1 1 year ago
@MikeTMerciless Also, with the new "smart grid," our choices when it comes to what to do with our electricity will be rather limited, either by cost or by control from others.
jmelkis 1 year ago
@jmelkis There's a...well, I wouldn't call it a movement....but a creeping toward technology where you can generate more of your own electricity at your own home. Some of it is more promising than the national windmill initiatives and is more feasible especially on a smaller economic scale. Right now it's more geared toward saving money than generating electricity, but there are some interesting developments in this regard.
MikeTMerciless 1 year ago
The Lives of Others hit rather close to home for me. Parts of my family lived in East Germany and they've seen this film. One part that they commented about was the Joke scene, where some of the Stasi are in the cafeteria making a joke about the East German General Secretary Erich Honecker. They told me that this is how it was, that you had to really watch what you said over there for fear there would be some sort of reprisal, as was done to that person who made the joke.
MikeTMerciless 1 year ago
great vid, lee
foreskinforest 1 year ago
the volt is not a purely electric car. yes the battery only lasts about 40 miles, but it has a 5 gallon gas tank and a 1 cylinder engine that recharges the battery when it gets low. Theoretically, it has about a 370, give or take 20, mile range.
alamoallies 1 year ago
Lee, I saw this film a year or so ago and loved it.
rockfilmers 1 year ago
Fantastic movie. Saw it last year and recommend without reservation to everyone.
soc993 1 year ago
My name is Volke Benaganush of the West Cresterson Socialist Party and I am very offended by this video. Socialism is good! IT THINKS OF THE PEOPLE!!!!
Yyyyzyyy 1 year ago
Why are you such a dork?
BMWg84 1 year ago
I saw this film after the late great William F. Buckley said it was the greatest film he has ever saw.
Yes he was right , it was an amazing movie!
ECWpaulBest69XD 1 year ago
What is that dialect?
MetalHeadViking 1 year ago
I realize conservatives do their best to align themselves more with the artist's community so they don't seem like a bunch of uncultured asses. It's a little despicable actually. I'm pretty conservative myself and a musician as well and for the most part, would probably disagree with most all artist political views.
wrdeboise 1 year ago
I quite frankly can't stand most of there idiotic views. It's an interesting dilemma, but one I'm willing to accept. I think my point is: you can still like art and disagree, or not identify with the artists community politically. Don't try so hard.
wrdeboise 1 year ago
Thumbs up !
mosquewatcher 1 year ago
Hitler made the VW Bug for the people. A car that the people could afford and fix them selfs. The VOLT is a hunk of $hit. made to cost you more.
orf32 1 year ago 2
The teachers' labor unions have done such a spectacular job of keeping kids ignorant that many grow up to believe that the toxic political theology of atheist-socialism, which hides under the L-word in America, is some kind of new and cool idea.
TylerNull 1 year ago 2