This video is a lie, imam abu hanifa was not continuously living among sahaba, he had met Abu qatadah RA but he wasnt his student even, imam abu hanifa had many teachers including ibrahim an-nakha'ee, and the salah of the hanfi is not taken from abu hanifa completely , in hanafi fiqh masala is taken from the fatwa of 3 imams, abu hanifa, imam yousaf and imam muhammad, both were his students but differ from imam abu hanifa in certain matters and hanafi fiqh takes what is taken by any 2 of these 3
@acejamal1 when the Salafis say that Allaah the Blessed and Most High rose over, i.e., ascended over, the [Mighty] Throne–why do you accuse them of having confined Allaah the Mighty and Majestic to [a place in] His universe when there is no universe there?For the universe is limited and restricted and in our opinion the end of the universe and its highest part is the Throne contd,...
@blckeys73 Have you not read any of the comments and references i have give?
I have also discussed face to face with Salafi's and they maintain that Allah is sat on arsh so please make up your mind what you believe.
You are defending those that attributed human attributes to Allah and they were condemned for that yet you 600 years later are saying they didn't mean that!
@acejamal1 cont..So the correct aqidah according to both the intellect and the text is truly that of the Pious Predecessors–because they did not say that Allaah is in a place, as you [falsely] assume, because there is no ‘place’ beyond the Throne, only total and complete nonexistence [of anything] except Allaah the Blessed and Most High.
But what is the matter with you when you fled from that which you accused the Salafis of, [something] which they are [in fact] free of cont...
@blckeys73 Now you are contradicting your self because when you were asserting that Allah physically descends to the Lower heaven you are confining Him to time and space and claiming he is in his creation and that is what Hindu's christians and jews believe that God can physically manifest into his creation.
@blckeys73 I f you deny that Allah is every where in his knowlegde and attributes i.e Sami completely hearing everything Basir complete seeing everythingMuhit etc.. then you have denied his Attributes thus denied Allah!
So you are now trying to invent an argument trying to put words into my mouth as they say!
Allah is as he was before he created creation!
What do mean when you translate Istawa On, Sat etc.. this is what appears in your tafsirs
@acejamal1 Al‐Khateeb al‐Baghdaadee (d.463H) said, ʺSo the basic principle (Asl) is that speech about the Attributes is speech about the Essence (Dhaat) of Allaah, so it follows it in that and takes it as a model of example. So when it is known that the affirmation of the Lord of the Worlds, the Mighty and Majestic, is affirmation of existence, then likewise, affirmation of His Attributes is only an affirmation of existence, not an affirmation of limitation (Tahdeed) and modality (Takyeef).
@blckeys73 In the light of this then what is the judgement of the Two statements of evidence presented of of Uthaymeen and the other of Wahid uz Zaman "that Allah is sat on arsh and there is for fingers space left" Wahid uz Zaman further wriets and the arsh makes a chir chir noise with the wieght of Allah!
Where does fit in!
When this clearly denies the Attributes of Allah and denial of the attributes is denial of Allah!
Give judgement on theses statements are they Imaan or Kufr?
@acejamal1 So when we say, ʹAllaah has a Hand, Hearing and Seeing,ʹ then these are only Attributes that Allaah has affirmed for Himself. And we do not say that the meaning of Hand is power, nor do we say that the meaning of Hearing and Seeing is knowledge. And we do not say that these are bodily limbs and tools to perform actions.[Refer to Dhammut‐Taʹweel (no. 15) of Ibn Qudaamah and al‐‘Uluww (p. 185) of adh‐
@blckeys73 So leading Wahbi speakers like Feiz and Shady al Sulayman Say he has Hands ans He has Fingers He has ashin and the point and make reference to there own shins and attribute sitting how is this not applying a body?
Two hands shin leg a foot sitting wieght ascending and descending what are you discribing?
when you affirm these are all physical attributes!
sat on a throne (sat on his creation) that squeaks with his wieght
@acejamal1 Brother I am quoting you from Quran & sunnah & in response you're uttering your philosophical ideas or whomsoever philosophy u r following. There is no "HOW" in the matter of unseen don't you agree with this. Do you not believe in the ayaah revealed concerning these attributes. NOW EVEN IBN KATHEER IS A KAFIR ACCORDING TO YOU. do you even think before writing all these...
@blckeys73 Your are quoting and interpretating it with your own opinions not in line with what the Salf said in one breath you affirm physicality then when that is challenge (as your interpretation of Istiwa) with Ayahs your accuse of philosphy?
Ahle Sunnah believe in all the Koran the How we do not now but we accept unlike wahabis who when describing the describe a body because they take it literally and ascribe direction which is kufr according to the Salf!
@acejamal1 See What Ibn Taymiyya said in his debate:"...I said to him: ʺIt can only be said that Allaah is to be described with whatever He described Himself with and with whatever HisMessenger has described Him with. And there does not exist in
the Book and the Sunnah anything to indicate that Allaah is a Jism, such that this
could become obligated. And the first one to say that Allaah is a Jism was
@blckeys73 Majmu al Fatwa v4 page 374 "the reliable and exceptable scholars narrated that Allah shall make Muhamad the messenger of Allah sit next to Him on the arsh"
Biyan talbis al Jahmiyah v1 568 2If he Allah wants he can sit on a mosquito's back" v1 101 "There is nothing in the Book and Sunnah statements of the Salf and the Imaams that He Allah is not a body and his features are not that of a body"
Al Asis ala Asaas al Taqdis v3 p214 "We conclude it was eye sight as it is in ...
@acejamal1 You want proof from salafs I will give you plenty...
1:It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah said: The Messenger of Allah said:'your Lord wrote for himself with His Own Hands "My mercy precedes My warth" [Ibn Majah,Book of Sunnah,189]
2:Ibn Musayyab narrated that Abu Hurayrah used to say:"The Messenger of Allah said : Allah will roll up the heavens in His Right Hand..."[Ibn Majah,Book of Sunnah,192]
@blckeys73 This does not prove anything of what you say because these are all mutashabiha we accept them but we dont ponder because they are metaphorically speaking.
This is the difference between Ahle Sunnah and Wahabis they say of these Allah has two hands, He has two right Hands.
What is meant by that statement?
What are you describing?
Two hands fingers feet shin two eyes sitting these are all parts of a body you are describing and attributes of a body!
@acejamal1 3: The Prophet said:"The Right Hand of allah is full & is never affected by continuous spending.In His other hand is the scale, which He raises & lowers ...."[197]
4:ʺAnd there will remain the Face of your Lord, having majesty and
Al anaam 73 وَيَوْمَ يَقُولُ كُنْ فَيَكُونُ In the day when He saith: Be! it is.
إِنَّمَا قَوْلُنَا لِشَيْءٍ إِذَا أَرَدْنَاهُ أَنْ نَقُولَ لَهُ كُنْ فَيَكُونُAn Nahl 40:And Our word unto a thing, when We intend it, is only that We say unto it: Be! and it is.
Does the we hear mean angels as well?
We accept without the how!
It is you who go beyond this and transgress the limits because you deduce from this that Allah has two hands (body parts)
@blckeys73 I am reading all your comments and i've read ibn Taymiyah and wahabi books and quotes and the contradict what you are saying because you are confused when its pointed out that you are decribing a body you then deny a body!
Well don't describe on and don't give Human attributse because what ever you image that is not Allah! "laysa ka mithli hi Shay"
On sitting what is your intention?
why give Istiwa that meaning when there are other meanings that are more befitting?
@acejamal1 Brother Istawaa means to "rose over" there is no other meaning to it.
We do not distort meaning of the ayaahs...what has been revealed We believe in it...we do not ask how? Its not your fault our mind comprehends to what we have seen...you quickly resemble it to creation...Therefore we do not let our minds get involved in the matter of Attributes of Allah. There is no any evidence which says Hands means power or strength so we cannot say this...accept them as they havecome
@blckeys73 So you Wahabi's assert that He is sat on the arsh with a body? what os 2:29 did he sit on the heavens?It is your literalism two hands two eyes feet shin sitting being confined (sat on arsh) coming into the lower heaven heaven is created and bound by six side so it contains Allah (Allah being contained in His creation)
All the above are attribute of creation not the creator!
You have not answered one question put forward all you have done is define a body!
@acejamal1 I have given many proofs from quran & Sunnah but still you don't want to believe...When I showed you Tafseer of Ibn Kathir on the verse you quoted then you said it His personal opinion...Who else left? See What Imam Abu Haneefa has to say in regards to Istawaa...al-balakhi asked Abu Haneefa about his opinion of a person who says he does not know Whether his Lord is in heaven or earth. Abu haneefa replied:"He has disbelieved,Because..cont
@blckeys73 All you have done is giveb meaning to the Mutashabiha verses and Hadith which the salf did not!
You can not desist from ascribing a body for Allah!First you defended the believe of Allah being sat on a throne we quoted the scholars now you are denying make up your mind please!
Now you wish to assert the believe of a floating god that floats above a throne and now he is not on it whiuch do you believe clarify please?
@acejamal1 cont..Allah has said"The most Merciful is above His throne"[20:5],and His Throne is above seven Heavens". He then asked :What if he said that He is above His throne but don't know Where is the Throne? Abu Haneefa replied:"He has disbelieved because he has denied that Allah is above the heavens..."[Narrted by Abu Ismael al-ansari in his book al-farooq & al aqeeda at-tahawiya p.288] Now what you have to say about Imam Abu Haneefa (RahimUllah)?
He did not give meaning to the verse as you Wahabi's have done The Salf beleived Istiwa is according to his majaesty not as Wahabi's claim sat, on or floating above!
This is some thing ascribed to Imam Abu Hanifa we are not Familiar with this because it contradicts the direct words!
Al fiqh ul Absat "Allah is eternally existent and eternally place did not exist. Allah eternally exists before creating the creation. Allah eternally exists ..
cont..and eternally there was no place or any other creation and He is the creator of everything".
No your are asserting that Allah exists on His creation and enters in his creation and leaves it so his is contained by six sides at time?
Imam Jafar Sadiq " He who claims that Allah is in anything or on anything or from anything commits shirk" Because had He been on anything, He would have been carried, had He been in anything , He would have been contained, and had He been from...
cont..anything He would have been creation", Imam Qushayriy Ar Risalah
Al Aqeedah at Tahawiyah
Allah is utterly clear of all bounderies, extrems, sides, organs and instruments, The six directions do not contain Him, as they are created.
This is the Aqeedah of the Salf from the Salf.
It appears the Wahabi's themselves are confused The founders say He is sat on arsh and the followers say he is floating above you can not escape kufr because you both ascribe orhans for Allah!!!
@acejamal1 Can you provide any AUTHENTIC narration that says Allah is EveryWhere?You will not be able to do so. Because this was the belief of the Our Prophet & his companions. By Allah I never said Allah is sitting on His Throne."He is ABOVE His Throne (in a manner Which suits His majesty)" When I say your Hands & Hands of a mosquito Are they Same? We never say Allah Has Hands like that of his creation.These attributes have been affirmed by Allah in his book & From His messenger.
@blckeys73 What you are alluding to by you question that creating creation affected Allah?
Allah eternally existed and place did not and creating creation did not affect Him He is as He always was and Always will be.
The signs of Allahs attributes are every where!
When you say Above you mean on it don't you?
Hands are body parts but not like our they are still body parts aren't they! Eyes are organs but not like ours you are likening Allah to His creation and you still don't get it!
cont.. This is how far you have astryed "kholiqa Adad ala Suratee" Allah made Adam in his own Image.
So Adam is 30 cubit (90ft) tall (Bukhari ) so the Wahabi being literalists Muazallah has a size for Allah. Wahabi logic therefore Adam looked like Allah because Allah made him in His own Image Mufti bin Bazz
According to Ahle Sunnah
Allah almighty created Adam and dressed him with his attribute (not like the attributes of Allah) He endowed him with sight, hearing, mercy anger etc..
@acejamal1 Lies & Lies & lies See What Ibn Baaz Said:...""In the form of the All-Merciful." This statement does not entail Tashbih (comparison) or Tamthil (likening Allah's Attributes to those of His Creation). According to the scholars, the meaning is that Allah (Exalted be He) created Adam with the ability to hear, see, and speak when he wills similar to Allah, for He is All-Hearing, All-Seeing, and He speaks when He wills...." See Fatwas of Ibn Baaz Vol 4 p.226
@acejamal1 Why you're trying to argue in the matter of Unseen? Is your Knowledge equal to that of Allah's Knowledge? Is your Understanding Better than that of Our Prophet & His Companions? Do you Understand the verses better than the Salafs? You can't even understand simple English Which I am trying to make you understand from so many days...When Allah Affirmed These Attributes to Himself in His book & from Tongue of Our Prophet, Who are you to negate them?
@blckeys73 Because you are trying to play with words you are contradictory we are quoting from ibn Taymiyyahs books and you are still asserting that he did say that Allah is sat on arsh!
You ascribe body parts to Allah and then say this is the unseen well if its unseen why ascriobe body parts apart from the fact that it is Shirk according to the Salf.
do you konw the meaning of Mutashabiha?
The Prophet did not explain the and the Sahabadid not say two eyes two hands shin foot etc...
@acejamal1 For Imam Abu Haneefa's view See Fiqh al-Akbar p.171 & Ad Dahabi's Al-Uluww P.103 Brother bring something from qur'an & Sunnah don't just Portray the philosophies of Jahmees & Ash'ari's...As for Sitting on Arsh' Ibn taymiyyah Was quoting from TAfsir At-Tabari He didn't held that view see majmo al fatwaa vol 4
@blckeys73 You are reading tramslated words which the wahabi's are making read the way they want when above was used by Imam Abu Hanifa it was in regards to the mushrik above what they ascribe to him!
Ad Dahabi was a supporter of ibn taymiyah he was rebuttled by the scholars for his defence of him.
you have brought nothing but mutashabiha verses which you give meaning to and that is Haraam tehn you ascribe this assertion of body parts to the salf!
@acejamal1 You're such a waste of time....U r a similar case which Imam Shaf'i Spoke of :"I never debated with a knowledgeable person except that I won the debate, and I have never debated with an ignorant person except that I lost."...
"Yad" can be taken as Qudrat or Power because literlism is comparison to creation!
48:10 "The hand of Allah is above their hands" are you suggesting that Allah enter his creation (the earth) and was contained by it (Allah is not contained creation is) and put His hand (invisible Hand) over their hands?
Al-Anfal [8:17] Ye (Muslims) slew them not, And thou (Muhammad) threwest not when thou didst throw, but Allah threw,
Look at what you are saying, when it suites you you take it literally when it becomes obviously apparent that it is comparing Allah to His creation you replace it His "Sifaat"
Then you say you can not take "Yad" to mean Qudrat or Power.
If you take it literally you commit shirk by saying Allah is contained!
Allah is as He was before he created creation craeting Has not affected him He has no need to rest on anything as slumber does not over take Him.
Brothers, we know following a madhab is haq, it is ijma of ummah..like imam shafi r.a said, ijma of ummah is hujjat and he gave the ayat in juz 5 surah nisaa. There are more important things to make fikr about..like how we can bring the deen in our life..for this we need to realize our responsibility and go out for 4 months and do the work of the ambiya a.s
Everyone Knows Aqeedah Of Ghair Muaqliad....Modern so called...Ahlul Hadees In SubContinent...(IndoPak).....For Them God Come in Form Of Krishna ( Hindu God) In Shape Of Dog Cat....or any Animal In the World....AstagfiruAllah Azem
For them Sahabah are not acceptable to follow sunnah....
I am not willing to take from fabricated hadiths but by your definition you would if it did not contradict the Qur'an. The only way hadiths are defined as sahih, weak or fabricated is by researching the narrators of the hadith and that is left to the Ulema who have already done that research many centuries ago
We worship according to how the Prophet (SAWS) worshipped. You are a new group who is starting to do research now when it has been done in the best of times.
I challenge you to show me where the sahaba said DON'T blind follow especially over 1400 years away from the time of the Prophet (SAWS).
"Shame on you Hanafies, Shafiees, Malikies and Hanblies. Why do we need the approval of the people of today when the Sahabah approved our method of prayer? The words from this lecture should be written in Gold. By Allah these short words by the shaykh are a breath of fresh air. They should be memorised by every muqalid. It needs to be understood by every person that is confused about prayer differences."
SubhanAllah, both a psuedoSalafi AND a Brelvi are attempting to attack me with their unsubstantiated claims. Now we just need a Rawafidh Shia and a Qadiani and we have the full party of fools.
just because anyone here watched the video clips, doesnt mean he or she is entitled to accept the Maulana's opinion? - I suggest that u do some research first and If you find it uncomfortable, you can by all means seek other Maulana's. no need to come here and argue about your differences in some cases Madhab per se. I'm a Muslim Convert and i know less more than you know brothers. But if we could give respect for eachothers i dont think there will be any problems. Assalamu'Alaikum Waramatullah
@azemuldin@azemuldin "You people" refer to the RIGHTLY-guided, those adhering to one of the 4 Madh-habs of the Alhus Sunnah Wal Jammah, his aqeedah is similar to the Christians,you know Allah Ta'ala having bodily-organs,sitting,rising,moving,descending,ascending-->ETC,ETC....
@MuslimVlogGuy Asalaam u alaikum WR WB,i dont understand brother what do you mean by you people and what do you mean by aqeedah brother??? what aqeeda or whos aqeeda?
Oh, addressing you as "you people" is a rahmah. Believe me. You and that ignorant statement about aqeedah. It took 10 years to establish the aqeedah and you want to state that.
The proper aqeedah is not established, and you want to move on to fiqh. Your channel is filled with confused individuals if they support what you just stated.
Trust me, ghair-Muqallids are all on a one man madhab, All of them have their own beliefs. Not two will you find in the world with the same beliefs in all aspects of the religion. Ironic how those are the poeple who claim deen can only be exercised in one way. You don't even have foundations or a way to establish things within Islam. You just rely on your evil desires fuelled by your mentor, Shaytan, Picking and choosing whatever suits your life. Deen is second.
We are not "ghair-muqalids." The explanation of the sunnah is enough for us. We don't blind-follow like you guys. Blind-following the te3chings of Sufism and Deobands. Fix your aqeedah. Your last warning from me.
@MuslimVlogGuy lol. You accept anything your scholars say. Have you or your fellow salafi's ever questioned your own scholars for daleel (proof)? Have you ever asked them for a sanad? You just follow them BLINDLY and their sanad will end way before Ibn Taymiyyah (ra).
Our beloved Prophet (SAWS) warned the ummah of breaking from the majority. Which is exactly what salafi's (a sect formed in the last century with fancy and empty slogans to give themselves credibility) have done.
Oh no, the last warning from you. Just like the other fool, you think your words and ideas actually hold weight in my eyes. Blind following sufism - the real sufism - which is tasawwuf, which is sincerity of intention; and blind following the institution which has done the most for Islam in recent times? Doesn't exactly sound like I'm in a bad position...
And you have the audacity to call me a blind follower when you heard a few toons string together a few words of arabic and misquote and misinterpret hadith - and WITHOUT daleel accuse me of having a dodgy aqeeda? Wait, so you heard I do from people and you have no evidence? I blindly follow the Ulema-e-haq, you blindly follow ignorant fools. The wise one is the one who knows who is wise.
You're in the position to show me daleel about the topic of "BLIND-FOLLOWING."
You go to the extreme and say "BLIND-FOLLOW."
I want daleel where it says "BLIND-FOLLOW."
Not the daleel where it says follow an Imam and take the evidences from the 'Ulemma. Because us Salafis upon the correct aqeedah and manhaj believe this.
@MuslimVlogGuy Do you have a time machine?? You must have a time machine because you are not blind and you have seen the times of the Sahabaa and so you follow directly from them.
I have not seen or lived in those times so I rely on the pious. Tell me how do you know the hadith's in Bukhari are sahih?
I've seen that weak argument from one of your speakers. It holds no weight.. Because the current 'Ulemma's teachings can be traced back to the salaf, and to the Prophet Sallalahu alayhi wasalaam..
It's not me that is deciding for myself. It's the 'Ulemma I follow.. And you want to ask "how do I know it's sunnah?"
Because nothing contradicts the teachings of the Prophet Sallalahu alayhi wasalaam and the Qur'an.
We're not lost and confused. We don't take from deobandis/sufis.
@MuslimVlogGuy Who taught your ulema's? and who taught their teachers? see how far back you can go with this question then let me know
You see I proved to you that you do blindly follow, you believe them because their teachings can be traced back, how? Weak argument. There are fabricated hadiths that don't contradict the Qur'an.
Our Ulema's have a sanad that can be traced back to the salaf and also the teachings. The sanad proves that they are not new
Yeah, I could go back if you really wanted me to... I have that information.
This is where you go to the extreme and say "WE BLIND-FOLLOW." This is not Blind-Following. Shaykh Al Fawzan put it perfectly "We don't worship according to the statements of the scholars, we worship according to the kitab and sunnah."
I asked your friend to show me where the sahaba said "Blind-follow." He couldnt show me..
Fabricated hadiths you're willing to take for your deen? Are you crazy?
@MuslimVlogGuy Shaykh Al Fawzan Said.....""We don't worship according to the statements of the scholars, we worship according to the kitab and sunnah."...........and you accept his statement without checking.....SubhanAllah......What a Bluff...
@MuslimVlogGuy But you are a blind follower. You take sahih al bukhari as sahih. Why? because so so said so. You take albani's classification as sahih,etc... But you were never there to actually witness the words coming out from the prophet(saws) or can verify it without doubt. So STFU dumbass
if the sunnah is clear, and it is verified by the ulemma, then it's clear. when the sunnah says something as simple as the Prophet sallalahu alayhi wasalaam raised his hands for the takbeerat, then he simply did.
That's not blind following.. The explanation of the sunnah has been made clear.
You wanna know why these people (hanafifiqhchannel crew) deem blind following?
Because they take from multple aqeedahs. They themselves are lost. While we only believe in 1 aqeedah.
@MuslimVlogGuy "if the sunnah is clear, and it is verified by the ulemma, then it's clear" ???
So that means you are doing taqleed on those ulemma i.e trusting and accepting their research and conclusions. But when others who are non salafi do the same you accuse them of blind following and boast that you don't do anything near to blind following.
This is very common amongst the salafi's (who have no link to the salaf's anyway).
@MuslimVlogGuy hanafifiqh is one AWESOME channel and may Allah Jallah Jalaalahu reward him for this with Jannah elFirdaws and may HE reward us all with Jannah elFirdaws too.
The Shaikhs who hanafi fiqh uploads are proper students of greater scholars of the previous century who highly value and respect the knowledge of Islam. They do not just rise up in the West holding on to one Book's translation and draw their own conclusions out of it based on no experience or background knowledge.
@hanafifiqh Those who like your self don't put importace on aqeedah no that no ibaadat is accepted unless your aqeedah is correct on of the signs of the end tumes is that a people will appear and therer rectation and ibadat will make yours look inferior, imaan leaves them like a arror leaves the bow (never to return) Every place in the Koran it say's "Ya ayuhallazina Amanu wa amilusalihaat"
Who the hell are you to be my judge as to which creed I am on. You think the world AND me revolve around your pitiful information??? Who the hell substantiated your claim? You are a complete waste of time. I will leave this argument even though I know I'm right.
@oigeezer Why you so angry bro angery! anger is not a sift a Mu'min should display thinking you are right does not make you right! it makes you delusional
I was just following the advice of the famous Tabi Ibn Sirin Mishkat baab ul ilm
"verily this is knowledge of deen you must see who you are learning it from"
You are contradictory you are going back and establishing the Sanad if Imam Abu Hanif and i don't have the right to ask you what your sanad is?
You fool, the most I can teach you in deen is to tell you to go to scholars with sanad. That's all I'm doing. I pass no religious rulings, which is the different between Iman and Kufr, like you idiots.
You are questioning the Imam of the likes of Imam Abu Hanifa (RA), Abdullah Ibn Mubarak (RA), Imam Muhammad (RA), Imam Nawawi (RA), Ibn Taymiya (RA), Sheikh Rasheed Ahmed Gangohi (RA), Hakeem-ul-ummat Thanwy (RA) and millions of others? And you keep saying "we" as if I am an imposter in the deen, and you are on the correct path. And on top of that, you have the audacity to claim others create disunity by attacking others?
Ibn Taymiyyah was not From Ahle Sunnah he was Mujjisimah and declared a Kafir after a debate by the Ullema of Ahle Sunnah and died in jail for his eronious beliefs!
Rasheed gangahi and Thanvi sahib did not share the same aqeedah as Imam Nawawi as Imam Nawawi believed waseelah of the Prophet and calling "Ya Rasoollah" in the time of need as expressed in his book Kitab al Azkaar. Both Thanvi and Gangohi decared such Aqeedah as shirk so they were not Ahle Sunah but Deobandi!
@acejamal1 Hold on!!! Did you just say that Ibn Taymiyah was a kafir... Didn't you heard that Prophet said: "If a man says to his brother "O Kaafir" Then surely one of them is such"...Brother beware of takfeer...
@blckeys73 Read it again Brother! I said the ullema of his time declared him Kafir for his beliefs that Allah has a body with parts.
"The Prophet also said declare the fisq of the Fasiq so people can be protected from him"
The believe that Allah has a body with parts, likening Him to Human beings and giving Him Human Attributes is Kufr as declared by the Salf Ahle Sunnah is a purer aqeedah!
So according to you you should not declare some who has a Fataw of kufr on him Kafir?
cont..declared that and gave Fataw to that effect and it was not challenged then the matter is closed it is only the Najdi wahabi Imam that revived this Kufria Aqeedah. The One of the Oldest (Undisputed) books on aqeedah is that of Imam Tahawi 239-321 A.H often called Aqeeedfah Tahawiyah
34.Anyone who describes Allah as being in any way the same as a human being has become an unbeliever
38.He is beyond having limits placed on Him, or being restricted, or having parts or limbs.
@acejamal1 Brother When Our Prophet(peace & blessings be upon him) said:"Indeed, you will see your lord as you see this moon...." did He compared ALLAH to the moon? NO! What he meant was you will have no inconvenience in seeing ALLAH. When we say ALLAH is All-Seeing Does we mean ALLAH has eyes.NO! we keep in mind the uniqueness of ALLAH...Nothing is Comparable to him...Even if you ask a Ignorant he will say the same...& you say Ibn Taymiyah did'nt knew this? We don't blindly follow anyone.Contd
@blckeys73 You are displaying the Aqueedah of Ahle Sunnah but do you think Shaykh ul Islam Taqi ud Din Subki and the other leading scholars of their time did not know this.Ibn Taymiiyah was declared a Kafir after a debate because of what he had written were he states Allah is physically sat on Arsh and he has two eyes and actually has a shin and Foot He ascends and decends!
No, it is slanderous to claim Ibn Taymiya (RA) believed Allah The Most High ascended and descended physically, and he himself refuted these beliefs in one of his books called "Sharh hadithunuzul" (The book name I am quoting off the top of my head, so I may slightly off when it comes to it's name).
قولك إن كان منقسما كان مركبا وتقدم إبطاله تقدم الجواب عن هذا الذي سميته مركبا وتبين أنه لا حجة أصلا على امتناع ذلك بل بين أن إحالة ذلك تقتضي إبطال كل موجود ولولا أنه أحال على ما تقدم لما أحلنا عليه وتقدم بيان ما في لفظ التركيب والتحيز والغير والافتقار من الاحتمال وإن المعنى الذي يقصد منه بذلك يجب أن يتصف به كل موجود سواء كان واجبا أو ممكنا وإن القول بامتناع ذلك يستلزم السفسطة المحضة (بيان تلبيس الجهمية ج 1 ص 33).
"We have already clarified what possibilities (in terms of what they mean) are associated with the words 'composition, settling in place, being other (having different sides or parts) and need, and that what is meant by this, is something all existing things must be attributed with, whether necessary in existence ( Allah - SAWT) or possible in existence (Creation). Verily to say that this is impossible (for Allah - SWT), to be attributed with, is pure sophistry (literalism).
@blckeys73 No because Bukhari Volume 3 Book 38 Number 505 raed and study that hadith the theif teaches ayah al Kursi a the end of the Hadith the Prophet reveals it is no other than Shaytan.
Now shaytan teaches something good would you follow him?
This is why you should look at whom you are learning deen from as the Famous Tabi Ibn sarin advised us (Mishkat ul Masabih kitab ul Ilm )
@blckeys73 The prescription is "Al Jamiatu rehmatun wal firqatu azaab" follow the jamaat not the individual!
If smoething ibn Taymiyyah say is according to the Jamaah we accepted otherwise it is rejected!
Albani did not even have a sanad he read books and gave his own Hawaas and rejected what the Jamaah had said!
Imam Tahawi represented the Jamaah his books confirm the Jamaah and reject ibn Taymiyyah and Albani read Aqeedah Tahawiyyah focus on points 34, 38 their Kufar is apparent!
Ibn Taymiyah also held a view that hell fire would end...but we didn't accepted that...Following the mistakes of Imams is not our goal...& Shaykh Albani had a sanad there's a whole video on youtube dedicated to that...
@oigeezer Are you stupid the quotes are read out with the reference! the truth is we are in pocession of the books ourselves and can provide the references but with you it would be like flogging a dead horse.
If you had any fear of the Almighty you would research for yourself instead of defending the kufr that he wrote it is apparent to anyone who reads these quotes for himself!
Because you are pre programmed you can not oppose your conditioning!
@blckeys73 Albani did not have a Sanad from any known shaykh that has been a challenge from the Ullema of Sham and till this day no one has provided one so i will be happy if you can provide the link!
Ibn tamiyyah was mujjisimah and that should enough not top follow him!
The feeble minded will except his kufar as Imaan do you not know that" to doubt kufr is kufr its self" Qazi Abu Yusaf Kitab al Khiraaj so why read someones books that contains kufr you are illogical devoid of sense!
@acejamal1 For the term "Jism" refer to "ibntaymiyyah[dot]com/articles/xwywcrg-ibn-taymiyyah-and-the-use-of-the-term-jism-body-for-allaah-the-exalted[dot]cfm" & also refer to Sharh al-aqeeda il wasitiyah (p.77) with the commentary of Dr. Muhammad Khalil...Ibn Taymiyyah (RA) never followed his desires...He denounced the belief of tamtheel...Ibn Taymiyyah is free from all these blatant lies against him (May Allah have mercy on him)
@blckeys73 His books bare witness to his kufr Dr Khalil and others like Him (wahabi's) try to vindicate him but he never retracted the kufr he had written. When he debated with the scholars (Imam Taqi ud Din Subki) and lost trying to defnd his position of mujjisimah he never made Tauba and never retracted his eronous and kufr statements!
So he is not free and the books with his kufria statements are still being printed in Najd today because Wahabis in a body with parts for Allah...
The language and terms that he uses are clear and there can be no mistaking what he has intended to say.
Read tthe Aqeedah Uthaymeem for confirmation of the same kufr ibn Taymiyyah churned out. I told you, you have been pre- programmed you can not differentiate between what is kufr and what is Imaan you are unable to read and research yourself that is because you are brainwashed.
Look at what you are trying to defend That Allah is sat on Arsh and has body parts!
@acejamal1 Brother did you read the article? His stand is clear in regards to the allegation imposed on him...The salafis didn't confined Allah to a place see fatwaa jeddah 17 by shaikh Albani...Looks like you have been brainwashed not me...you just don't want to understand...you just want to believe in what your shaikh taught you...Is this how we're going to unite? on falsehood?on slandering one another? Nothing should prevent us from adhering to the truth...
@blckeys73 Brother be logical because islam is not an illogical religion based on whims! The Fatawa issued against ib Taymiyyah was not given in his absence it was issued in his presence as he was defending his position of affirming Body and direction for Allah.
And your next comments are tottaly false because So called Salafi's state that Allah is on arsh and he acsends and decends Fatawa Bazzia, Aqeedah Utahymeen also read Bin Bazz's Sharah of Fath al Bari he ascerts Allah ....
cont..Ascends and decends and that Allah is sat on Arsh!
the hadith dajjal has one eye he states" this is proof that Allah has two eyes" I don't just follow what i am told Al hamdollilah i have always been told to to research and investigate what i have been told to better understand it!
We can not compremise on Aqeedah doesn't matter how some one does his ibbaddat as long he following hadith.
I do not peeddle falsehood this is the sum of my research and study not "parrot" pharasing!
@acejamal1 “The correct view is that He descends and that He does not vacate the Throne. A person's soul remains attached to his body night and day until he dies, but when he is asleep it ascends… It was said, night varies, and the last third of the night comes sooner in the east than in the west, so the descent of Allaah to the lowest heaven, of which His Messenger spoke, happens in the east first and then in the west...”
@blckeys73 So you give the attributes of humans to Allah and ascribe sitting to Allah and confine Allah to a place and ascibe Allah to be sat on his creation and sitting requires a body!
the lower heaven is confined by six directions and you assert that Allah is contained in the six Directions and that the arsh is Akbar because it is bigger than Allah.
All these concepts are Kufar read Aqeedah Tahwiyyah points 34, 38
You deny that you believe a body for Allah then assert a body.
@acejamal1 brother what logic you are putting up? Inspite of so many refutations you just don't want to retract ur position...Ibn taymiyah challenged those ash'ari ulemas & gave them 7 years to prove him wrong but they were not able to do so...
@blckeys73 Because the evidence is over whelming against him and his own wriiten word bars witness against him.
It is only this one sect whose origins or from Najd who defend him because they take ther belief's from him and assert that that is the belief of the Salaf.
As for your allegations that he challenged the ullema may i remind you the circumstance of his death he died in jail after a debate which he lost and resulted in a fatawa of kufr against him.
..we examine the evidence and just to give one example read his Minhaj us Sunnah where he say that Hadret Ali's conversion has two qawls and the strongest one is that it is not known whether it removed his kufr!
wahabis spreading belief that the Prophet is a like any ordinary person the blasphemy against the Prophet and Hadret Ali and other companions is not of concern to you but ibn Taymiyyah is!
@acejamal1 As Allah (the most Exalted) said: And when it is said to them, ʺCome to what Allaah has revealed, and to the Messenger,ʺ you see the hypocrites turning away from you in aversion.[Sooratun‐Nisaa, 4:61]
@acejamal1 ʺAccept them as they have come without asking ʹHow?ʹʺ See Iʹtiqaad Ahlus‐Sunnah by al‐Laalakaaee (3/537,930) and Fath al‐Baaree (3/407)...This has been reported from Makhool, az‐Zuhree, Maalik ibn Anas, Sufyaan ath‐Thawree, al‐Layth ibn Saʹd, and al‐Awzaaʹee.
ʺAccept them as they have comeʺ refutes the Muaʹttilah and, ʺwithout asking
ʹHow?ʹʺ refutes the Mushabbihah. Seems like you are amongs the Mua'ttilah negating the attributes of Allah Which is established from Quran & Sunnah
@acejamal1 Do you mean to say that Allah is "EVERYWHERE" don't you believe in Istawa..."accepting them as they come" is against the salaf..!! Are you serious? When these Statements are made there is no Tashbih (comparison) or Tamthil (likening Allah's Attributes to those of His Creation) involved...can't you understand these simple words...?
@blckeys73 It is clear what you are basically you are a literalist so everything has literal meaning to and it is clear that you have lack of understanding (believing witness does not mean seeing but rather giving evidence) that is ignorance of the highest order so it easy to see how you have fallen into the literalists trap.
Qaf [50:16] It was We who created man, and We know what dark suggestions his soul makes to him: for We are nearer to him than (his) jugular vein.
@acejamal1 contd.. The words of this Ayah do not need this explanation (that `We' refers to `Allah's knowledge'), for Allah did not say, `and I am closer to him than his jugular vein.' Rather, He said,(And We are nearer to him than his jugular vein. ) just as He said in the case of dying persons,(But We are nearer to him than you, but you see not.) (56:85), in reference to His angels (who take the souls).
@blckeys73 Then you are more ignorant thabn i first presumed and you do not understand basic language the term Used is "Nahnu" We this is where the christians went wrong they took the we to mean three!
So how is the We Allah's knowledge?
Go and ask a linguist and ask this we is amark of respect no always plural as you maintain.
don't give me your opinion show me from the Hadith which angels are closer than our jugular vein?
@acejamal1 as for Sur e Qaf [50:16]: (And We are nearer to him than his jugular vein.) means, His angels are nearer to man than his jugular vein. Those who explained `We' in the Ayah to mean `Our knowledge,' have done so to avoid falling into the idea of incarnation or indwelling; but these two creeds are false according to the consensus of Muslims. see tafsir Ibn Kathir...
@blckeys73 Al-Baqara [2:23] And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed
Did Angel Jibraeel reveal or Did Allah reveal and Jibraeel bring the revelation?
The we NAA hear is most certainly Allah Almighty this is the opinion of Ibn Kathir there is no Qawl from the Salaf for this and this is his reasoning for it because he was amongst those who asserted Allah's sitting on arsh!
So provide us with Qawl of the Salf that it means knowledge!
@blckeys73 One of the most authentic books narrating the Aqeedah of the Salf is the Aqeedah Tahawiyyah (239-321)
38. He is beyond having limits placed on Him, or being restricted, or having parts or limbs. Nor is He contained by the six directions as all created things are
By asserting that He physically ascends and decends that he is contained by his creation and contained in the six directions.
7. the Muhadith have explained this as his his Rehmah not as Wahabi's assert.
sorry in my first comment i wrote abu qatadah RA , actually it is anas bin malik RA
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note imam abu hanifa's own students didnt do taqleed of him ,because he taught usool ul fiqh based on quran and sunnah and didnt teach taqleed ..
this video uses false perceptions and examples and not 1 sound daleel
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This video is a lie, imam abu hanifa was not continuously living among sahaba, he had met Abu qatadah RA but he wasnt his student even, imam abu hanifa had many teachers including ibrahim an-nakha'ee, and the salah of the hanfi is not taken from abu hanifa completely , in hanafi fiqh masala is taken from the fatwa of 3 imams, abu hanifa, imam yousaf and imam muhammad, both were his students but differ from imam abu hanifa in certain matters and hanafi fiqh takes what is taken by any 2 of these 3
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Tital is accurate.... "Salaah Verified".... and description is awesome.... YES TRULY "LEGEND HIMSELF MAULANA AMIN SAAHAB"
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ALHAMDULILLAH....... ALLAHU AKBAR....
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Note that when these Attributes are mentioned they are not like that of the created ones...This I think I am repeating for about 50th time....
blckeys73 1 month ago
Mr.Philosopher...Do you still believe Allah is Everywhere IN EXISTENCE? Then what is the difference between you & the hindus?
Who told you to use your intellect.
Allah is close to us by his knowledge this is the ijmaa of the salafs...
blckeys73 1 month ago
jinns can travel much far in space than humans.. Does that makes them more closer to Allah?
We get close To Allah by our deeds...
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73 You tell me it is you that affirms Allah is far away so answer me your own question?
acejamal1 1 month ago
@blckeys73 Mr literalist anyone who does not believe that Allah is everywhere in his knowledge and sifaat has denied Allah
Allah is has He was before He created creation!
He did not have nead to rest on his creation this is the concept of Jews, Christians and Hindu Not of Muslim.
2:255 "No slumber can seize him nor sleep" "and the preservation of them both tires Him not"
Quote me direc from the Salf stop attributing things to them trhat you do not know we have quoted direct from them!
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1 when the Salafis say that Allaah the Blessed and Most High rose over, i.e., ascended over, the [Mighty] Throne–why do you accuse them of having confined Allaah the Mighty and Majestic to [a place in] His universe when there is no universe there?For the universe is limited and restricted and in our opinion the end of the universe and its highest part is the Throne contd,...
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73 Have you not read any of the comments and references i have give?
I have also discussed face to face with Salafi's and they maintain that Allah is sat on arsh so please make up your mind what you believe.
You are defending those that attributed human attributes to Allah and they were condemned for that yet you 600 years later are saying they didn't mean that!
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1 cont..So the correct aqidah according to both the intellect and the text is truly that of the Pious Predecessors–because they did not say that Allaah is in a place, as you [falsely] assume, because there is no ‘place’ beyond the Throne, only total and complete nonexistence [of anything] except Allaah the Blessed and Most High.
But what is the matter with you when you fled from that which you accused the Salafis of, [something] which they are [in fact] free of cont...
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73 Now you are contradicting your self because when you were asserting that Allah physically descends to the Lower heaven you are confining Him to time and space and claiming he is in his creation and that is what Hindu's christians and jews believe that God can physically manifest into his creation.
So who is philosophisibg now?
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1 since [we say that] Allaah is not in a place because there is no universe or place after the [Mighty] Throne.
"So how is it that you say He is everywhere, you confine Him to being inside His universe which He created after it was not in existence?
So you are the Mushabbihah, and you are the Mujassimah [anthropomorphists]"
We never said that Allah is sitting or attached to his throne.
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73 I f you deny that Allah is every where in his knowlegde and attributes i.e Sami completely hearing everything Basir complete seeing everythingMuhit etc.. then you have denied his Attributes thus denied Allah!
So you are now trying to invent an argument trying to put words into my mouth as they say!
Allah is as he was before he created creation!
What do mean when you translate Istawa On, Sat etc.. this is what appears in your tafsirs
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1 Al‐Khateeb al‐Baghdaadee (d.463H) said, ʺSo the basic principle (Asl) is that speech about the Attributes is speech about the Essence (Dhaat) of Allaah, so it follows it in that and takes it as a model of example. So when it is known that the affirmation of the Lord of the Worlds, the Mighty and Majestic, is affirmation of existence, then likewise, affirmation of His Attributes is only an affirmation of existence, not an affirmation of limitation (Tahdeed) and modality (Takyeef).
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73 In the light of this then what is the judgement of the Two statements of evidence presented of of Uthaymeen and the other of Wahid uz Zaman "that Allah is sat on arsh and there is for fingers space left" Wahid uz Zaman further wriets and the arsh makes a chir chir noise with the wieght of Allah!
Where does fit in!
When this clearly denies the Attributes of Allah and denial of the attributes is denial of Allah!
Give judgement on theses statements are they Imaan or Kufr?
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1 So when we say, ʹAllaah has a Hand, Hearing and Seeing,ʹ then these are only Attributes that Allaah has affirmed for Himself. And we do not say that the meaning of Hand is power, nor do we say that the meaning of Hearing and Seeing is knowledge. And we do not say that these are bodily limbs and tools to perform actions.[Refer to Dhammut‐Taʹweel (no. 15) of Ibn Qudaamah and al‐‘Uluww (p. 185) of adh‐
Dhahabee.]
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73 So leading Wahbi speakers like Feiz and Shady al Sulayman Say he has Hands ans He has Fingers He has ashin and the point and make reference to there own shins and attribute sitting how is this not applying a body?
Two hands shin leg a foot sitting wieght ascending and descending what are you discribing?
when you affirm these are all physical attributes!
sat on a throne (sat on his creation) that squeaks with his wieght
Where is your daleel for this?
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1 Brother I am quoting you from Quran & sunnah & in response you're uttering your philosophical ideas or whomsoever philosophy u r following. There is no "HOW" in the matter of unseen don't you agree with this. Do you not believe in the ayaah revealed concerning these attributes. NOW EVEN IBN KATHEER IS A KAFIR ACCORDING TO YOU. do you even think before writing all these...
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73 Your are quoting and interpretating it with your own opinions not in line with what the Salf said in one breath you affirm physicality then when that is challenge (as your interpretation of Istiwa) with Ayahs your accuse of philosphy?
Ahle Sunnah believe in all the Koran the How we do not now but we accept unlike wahabis who when describing the describe a body because they take it literally and ascribe direction which is kufr according to the Salf!
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1 See What Ibn Taymiyya said in his debate:"...I said to him: ʺIt can only be said that Allaah is to be described with whatever He described Himself with and with whatever HisMessenger has described Him with. And there does not exist in
the Book and the Sunnah anything to indicate that Allaah is a Jism, such that this
could become obligated. And the first one to say that Allaah is a Jism was
Hishaam Ibnul‐Hakam ar‐Raafidee...."
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73 Majmu al Fatwa v4 page 374 "the reliable and exceptable scholars narrated that Allah shall make Muhamad the messenger of Allah sit next to Him on the arsh"
Biyan talbis al Jahmiyah v1 568 2If he Allah wants he can sit on a mosquito's back" v1 101 "There is nothing in the Book and Sunnah statements of the Salf and the Imaams that He Allah is not a body and his features are not that of a body"
Al Asis ala Asaas al Taqdis v3 p214 "We conclude it was eye sight as it is in ...
acejamal1 1 month ago
cont..Sahih narration that the Prophet said My lord in image of a beardless (man) with long curly hair in garden"
Mujmu al Fatawa v2 76 "Allahu qadirun ala ayakhruka minhuna ala hunaka bi hablin"
"Allah is able to relocate from here to there through rope"
v17 92 "The hands or mentioned in several traditions and we are informed that they are both right hands"
The Salf taught to accept the mutashabiha verses but ibn Taymiyyah went further he tried to give meaning to them.
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1 You want proof from salafs I will give you plenty...
1:It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah said: The Messenger of Allah said:'your Lord wrote for himself with His Own Hands "My mercy precedes My warth" [Ibn Majah,Book of Sunnah,189]
2:Ibn Musayyab narrated that Abu Hurayrah used to say:"The Messenger of Allah said : Allah will roll up the heavens in His Right Hand..."[Ibn Majah,Book of Sunnah,192]
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73 This does not prove anything of what you say because these are all mutashabiha we accept them but we dont ponder because they are metaphorically speaking.
This is the difference between Ahle Sunnah and Wahabis they say of these Allah has two hands, He has two right Hands.
What is meant by that statement?
What are you describing?
Two hands fingers feet shin two eyes sitting these are all parts of a body you are describing and attributes of a body!
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1 3: The Prophet said:"The Right Hand of allah is full & is never affected by continuous spending.In His other hand is the scale, which He raises & lowers ...."[197]
4:ʺAnd there will remain the Face of your Lord, having majesty and
honor.ʺ [ 55:27]
5:ʺI ask You for the pleasure of looking at Your Face and the desire of
meeting You.ʺan‐Nisaaʹee (1305)
6:ʺOh Iblees, what prevented you from prostrating to that which I have
created with My own Hands?ʺ [38:75]
Ask me if you need more...
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73
Al anaam 73 وَيَوْمَ يَقُولُ كُنْ فَيَكُونُ In the day when He saith: Be! it is.
إِنَّمَا قَوْلُنَا لِشَيْءٍ إِذَا أَرَدْنَاهُ أَنْ نَقُولَ لَهُ كُنْ فَيَكُونُAn Nahl 40:And Our word unto a thing, when We intend it, is only that We say unto it: Be! and it is.
Does the we hear mean angels as well?
We accept without the how!
It is you who go beyond this and transgress the limits because you deduce from this that Allah has two hands (body parts)
What are you discribing?
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1 Read all the comments before posting anything...seems like you don't read any of it
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73 I am reading all your comments and i've read ibn Taymiyah and wahabi books and quotes and the contradict what you are saying because you are confused when its pointed out that you are decribing a body you then deny a body!
Well don't describe on and don't give Human attributse because what ever you image that is not Allah! "laysa ka mithli hi Shay"
On sitting what is your intention?
why give Istiwa that meaning when there are other meanings that are more befitting?
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1 Brother Istawaa means to "rose over" there is no other meaning to it.
We do not distort meaning of the ayaahs...what has been revealed We believe in it...we do not ask how? Its not your fault our mind comprehends to what we have seen...you quickly resemble it to creation...Therefore we do not let our minds get involved in the matter of Attributes of Allah. There is no any evidence which says Hands means power or strength so we cannot say this...accept them as they havecome
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73 So you Wahabi's assert that He is sat on the arsh with a body? what os 2:29 did he sit on the heavens?It is your literalism two hands two eyes feet shin sitting being confined (sat on arsh) coming into the lower heaven heaven is created and bound by six side so it contains Allah (Allah being contained in His creation)
All the above are attribute of creation not the creator!
You have not answered one question put forward all you have done is define a body!
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1 I have given many proofs from quran & Sunnah but still you don't want to believe...When I showed you Tafseer of Ibn Kathir on the verse you quoted then you said it His personal opinion...Who else left? See What Imam Abu Haneefa has to say in regards to Istawaa...al-balakhi asked Abu Haneefa about his opinion of a person who says he does not know Whether his Lord is in heaven or earth. Abu haneefa replied:"He has disbelieved,Because..cont
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73 All you have done is giveb meaning to the Mutashabiha verses and Hadith which the salf did not!
You can not desist from ascribing a body for Allah!First you defended the believe of Allah being sat on a throne we quoted the scholars now you are denying make up your mind please!
Now you wish to assert the believe of a floating god that floats above a throne and now he is not on it whiuch do you believe clarify please?
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1 cont..Allah has said"The most Merciful is above His throne"[20:5],and His Throne is above seven Heavens". He then asked :What if he said that He is above His throne but don't know Where is the Throne? Abu Haneefa replied:"He has disbelieved because he has denied that Allah is above the heavens..."[Narrted by Abu Ismael al-ansari in his book al-farooq & al aqeeda at-tahawiya p.288] Now what you have to say about Imam Abu Haneefa (RahimUllah)?
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73 You people have no fear of Allah!
He did not give meaning to the verse as you Wahabi's have done The Salf beleived Istiwa is according to his majaesty not as Wahabi's claim sat, on or floating above!
This is some thing ascribed to Imam Abu Hanifa we are not Familiar with this because it contradicts the direct words!
Al fiqh ul Absat "Allah is eternally existent and eternally place did not exist. Allah eternally exists before creating the creation. Allah eternally exists ..
acejamal1 1 month ago
cont..and eternally there was no place or any other creation and He is the creator of everything".
No your are asserting that Allah exists on His creation and enters in his creation and leaves it so his is contained by six sides at time?
Imam Jafar Sadiq " He who claims that Allah is in anything or on anything or from anything commits shirk" Because had He been on anything, He would have been carried, had He been in anything , He would have been contained, and had He been from...
acejamal1 1 month ago
cont..anything He would have been creation", Imam Qushayriy Ar Risalah
Al Aqeedah at Tahawiyah
Allah is utterly clear of all bounderies, extrems, sides, organs and instruments, The six directions do not contain Him, as they are created.
This is the Aqeedah of the Salf from the Salf.
It appears the Wahabi's themselves are confused The founders say He is sat on arsh and the followers say he is floating above you can not escape kufr because you both ascribe orhans for Allah!!!
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1 Can you provide any AUTHENTIC narration that says Allah is EveryWhere?You will not be able to do so. Because this was the belief of the Our Prophet & his companions. By Allah I never said Allah is sitting on His Throne."He is ABOVE His Throne (in a manner Which suits His majesty)" When I say your Hands & Hands of a mosquito Are they Same? We never say Allah Has Hands like that of his creation.These attributes have been affirmed by Allah in his book & From His messenger.
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73 What you are alluding to by you question that creating creation affected Allah?
Allah eternally existed and place did not and creating creation did not affect Him He is as He always was and Always will be.
The signs of Allahs attributes are every where!
When you say Above you mean on it don't you?
Hands are body parts but not like our they are still body parts aren't they! Eyes are organs but not like ours you are likening Allah to His creation and you still don't get it!
acejamal1 1 month ago
cont.. This is how far you have astryed "kholiqa Adad ala Suratee" Allah made Adam in his own Image.
So Adam is 30 cubit (90ft) tall (Bukhari ) so the Wahabi being literalists Muazallah has a size for Allah. Wahabi logic therefore Adam looked like Allah because Allah made him in His own Image Mufti bin Bazz
According to Ahle Sunnah
Allah almighty created Adam and dressed him with his attribute (not like the attributes of Allah) He endowed him with sight, hearing, mercy anger etc..
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1 Lies & Lies & lies See What Ibn Baaz Said:...""In the form of the All-Merciful." This statement does not entail Tashbih (comparison) or Tamthil (likening Allah's Attributes to those of His Creation). According to the scholars, the meaning is that Allah (Exalted be He) created Adam with the ability to hear, see, and speak when he wills similar to Allah, for He is All-Hearing, All-Seeing, and He speaks when He wills...." See Fatwas of Ibn Baaz Vol 4 p.226
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73 AIn his Fatwa he also writes that Allah is sat on Arsh!
You are mixed up decide what you believe!
why won't you answer any of my questions!
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1 Why you're trying to argue in the matter of Unseen? Is your Knowledge equal to that of Allah's Knowledge? Is your Understanding Better than that of Our Prophet & His Companions? Do you Understand the verses better than the Salafs? You can't even understand simple English Which I am trying to make you understand from so many days...When Allah Affirmed These Attributes to Himself in His book & from Tongue of Our Prophet, Who are you to negate them?
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73 Because you are trying to play with words you are contradictory we are quoting from ibn Taymiyyahs books and you are still asserting that he did say that Allah is sat on arsh!
You ascribe body parts to Allah and then say this is the unseen well if its unseen why ascriobe body parts apart from the fact that it is Shirk according to the Salf.
do you konw the meaning of Mutashabiha?
The Prophet did not explain the and the Sahabadid not say two eyes two hands shin foot etc...
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1 For Imam Abu Haneefa's view See Fiqh al-Akbar p.171 & Ad Dahabi's Al-Uluww P.103 Brother bring something from qur'an & Sunnah don't just Portray the philosophies of Jahmees & Ash'ari's...As for Sitting on Arsh' Ibn taymiyyah Was quoting from TAfsir At-Tabari He didn't held that view see majmo al fatwaa vol 4
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73 You are reading tramslated words which the wahabi's are making read the way they want when above was used by Imam Abu Hanifa it was in regards to the mushrik above what they ascribe to him!
Ad Dahabi was a supporter of ibn taymiyah he was rebuttled by the scholars for his defence of him.
you have brought nothing but mutashabiha verses which you give meaning to and that is Haraam tehn you ascribe this assertion of body parts to the salf!
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1 You're such a waste of time....U r a similar case which Imam Shaf'i Spoke of :"I never debated with a knowledgeable person except that I won the debate, and I have never debated with an ignorant person except that I lost."...
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73 You are the one who does not know the mwaning of Shaheed no wonder you can't grasp thge fact that youy are being decieved!
"In our own image" you gave the meaning here as Mercy yet look at how the Wahabi's Transalte it Bukhari V8 B74 No.246
"Allah created Adam in his complete shape and form (directly)"
If this is not literal enough for you then i don't know what is?
Yo are picking and choosing "Yad" you say can only be taken and hands (Literally) then apply the same principal..
acejamal1 1 month ago
cont.. here why don't you?
"Yad" can be taken as Qudrat or Power because literlism is comparison to creation!
48:10 "The hand of Allah is above their hands" are you suggesting that Allah enter his creation (the earth) and was contained by it (Allah is not contained creation is) and put His hand (invisible Hand) over their hands?
Al-Anfal [8:17] Ye (Muslims) slew them not, And thou (Muhammad) threwest not when thou didst throw, but Allah threw,
Are you saying that Allah came into the...
acejamal1 1 month ago
Cont.. Earth and threw those stone?
Look at what you are saying, when it suites you you take it literally when it becomes obviously apparent that it is comparing Allah to His creation you replace it His "Sifaat"
Then you say you can not take "Yad" to mean Qudrat or Power.
If you take it literally you commit shirk by saying Allah is contained!
Allah is as He was before he created creation craeting Has not affected him He has no need to rest on anything as slumber does not over take Him.
acejamal1 1 month ago
Brothers, we know following a madhab is haq, it is ijma of ummah..like imam shafi r.a said, ijma of ummah is hujjat and he gave the ayat in juz 5 surah nisaa. There are more important things to make fikr about..like how we can bring the deen in our life..for this we need to realize our responsibility and go out for 4 months and do the work of the ambiya a.s
Adnaanpatel 1 month ago
I love my deen
faizilahi 1 month ago
Everyone Knows Aqeedah Of Ghair Muaqliad....Modern so called...Ahlul Hadees In SubContinent...(IndoPak).....For Them God Come in Form Of Krishna ( Hindu God) In Shape Of Dog Cat....or any Animal In the World....AstagfiruAllah Azem
For them Sahabah are not acceptable to follow sunnah....
DeenFikar 1 month ago
I am not willing to take from fabricated hadiths but by your definition you would if it did not contradict the Qur'an. The only way hadiths are defined as sahih, weak or fabricated is by researching the narrators of the hadith and that is left to the Ulema who have already done that research many centuries ago
sawban 2 months ago
We worship according to how the Prophet (SAWS) worshipped. You are a new group who is starting to do research now when it has been done in the best of times.
I challenge you to show me where the sahaba said DON'T blind follow especially over 1400 years away from the time of the Prophet (SAWS).
Give me the information that you have
sawban 2 months ago
"Shame on you Hanafies, Shafiees, Malikies and Hanblies. Why do we need the approval of the people of today when the Sahabah approved our method of prayer? The words from this lecture should be written in Gold. By Allah these short words by the shaykh are a breath of fresh air. They should be memorised by every muqalid. It needs to be understood by every person that is confused about prayer differences."
VERY TRUE
sawban 2 months ago 3
SubhanAllah, both a psuedoSalafi AND a Brelvi are attempting to attack me with their unsubstantiated claims. Now we just need a Rawafidh Shia and a Qadiani and we have the full party of fools.
oigeezer 2 months ago
OMG! SUbhanAllah
94hashmi 2 months ago
What's the blog guy talking bout? Thier is an ijma of later scholars that at tahawiyah is the
Core belief of all of ahlus sunnah.
SUPERSAJINZ 2 months ago
just because anyone here watched the video clips, doesnt mean he or she is entitled to accept the Maulana's opinion? - I suggest that u do some research first and If you find it uncomfortable, you can by all means seek other Maulana's. no need to come here and argue about your differences in some cases Madhab per se. I'm a Muslim Convert and i know less more than you know brothers. But if we could give respect for eachothers i dont think there will be any problems. Assalamu'Alaikum Waramatullah
jrmelendres 2 months ago
Allhamdulila the best thing of heard
MrAmin1983 2 months ago
@azemuldin @azemuldin "You people" refer to the RIGHTLY-guided, those adhering to one of the 4 Madh-habs of the Alhus Sunnah Wal Jammah, his aqeedah is similar to the Christians,you know Allah Ta'ala having bodily-organs,sitting,rising,moving,descending,ascending-->ETC,ETC....
AfwaunMuMeen 2 months ago
MashaAllah. Please upload more clips of Hazrat Amin Okarvi (and also of his student Maulana Ilyas Ghumman, if possible). JazakAllah
anasmr 2 months ago
Mashallah wat a beautiful talk.
K8s1m786 2 months ago
You people need to be more worried about your Aqeedah more than fiqh.
MuslimVlogGuy 2 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy I think you should be worried.
sawban 2 months ago
@sawban
Says the guy that takes from Mufti Taqi Usmani.
MuslimVlogGuy 2 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy Go and find out what a sanad is and then maybe you will realise why I take from Mufti Taqi Usmani
sawban 2 months ago 10
@sawban
Deobandis and Sufis are misguided. And you will see at the end of the day.
MuslimVlogGuy 2 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy Asalaam u alaikum WR WB,i dont understand brother what do you mean by you people and what do you mean by aqeedah brother??? what aqeeda or whos aqeeda?
azemuldin 2 months ago
@azemuldin
Walaikum Assalam. I'm talking about the correct aqeedah. There is only one.
MuslimVlogGuy 2 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy Which is OBVIOUSLY NOT the one you follow
AfwaunMuMeen 2 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy The Prophet [saw] and the Shahabah [ra] spoke more about Fiqh than they did about Aqeeda, so we are just following their sunnah.
Aqeeda Tahawiyya is enough for a Muslims core belief. Doing 4 week courses on peoples opinions of it, is not nessesary and not proven from sunnah.
ALSO the Prophet never adressed the Muslims nor the hypocrites of his time as "you people", maybe you should follow his example more inshallah.
hanafifiqh 2 months ago 20
@hanafifiqh
Oh, addressing you as "you people" is a rahmah. Believe me. You and that ignorant statement about aqeedah. It took 10 years to establish the aqeedah and you want to state that.
The proper aqeedah is not established, and you want to move on to fiqh. Your channel is filled with confused individuals if they support what you just stated.
MuslimVlogGuy 2 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy
Trust me, ghair-Muqallids are all on a one man madhab, All of them have their own beliefs. Not two will you find in the world with the same beliefs in all aspects of the religion. Ironic how those are the poeple who claim deen can only be exercised in one way. You don't even have foundations or a way to establish things within Islam. You just rely on your evil desires fuelled by your mentor, Shaytan, Picking and choosing whatever suits your life. Deen is second.
oigeezer 2 months ago
@oigeezer
We are not "ghair-muqalids." The explanation of the sunnah is enough for us. We don't blind-follow like you guys. Blind-following the te3chings of Sufism and Deobands. Fix your aqeedah. Your last warning from me.
MuslimVlogGuy 2 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy lol. You accept anything your scholars say. Have you or your fellow salafi's ever questioned your own scholars for daleel (proof)? Have you ever asked them for a sanad? You just follow them BLINDLY and their sanad will end way before Ibn Taymiyyah (ra).
Our beloved Prophet (SAWS) warned the ummah of breaking from the majority. Which is exactly what salafi's (a sect formed in the last century with fancy and empty slogans to give themselves credibility) have done.
sawban 2 months ago
@sawban
"You accept anything your scholars say."
Wow, you are in no position to say that! LOL!
Our explanation of the sunnah is apparent. Yours on the other hand.. Not so much.. What was it that your channel advertises again?
"EVERYONE MUST DO TAQLEED!"
Yep.. Don't talk.
MuslimVlogGuy 2 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy
Oh no, the last warning from you. Just like the other fool, you think your words and ideas actually hold weight in my eyes. Blind following sufism - the real sufism - which is tasawwuf, which is sincerity of intention; and blind following the institution which has done the most for Islam in recent times? Doesn't exactly sound like I'm in a bad position...
oigeezer 2 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy
And you have the audacity to call me a blind follower when you heard a few toons string together a few words of arabic and misquote and misinterpret hadith - and WITHOUT daleel accuse me of having a dodgy aqeeda? Wait, so you heard I do from people and you have no evidence? I blindly follow the Ulema-e-haq, you blindly follow ignorant fools. The wise one is the one who knows who is wise.
oigeezer 2 months ago
@oigeezer
You just admitted you blind follow.
That's not permissible in Islaam..
MuslimVlogGuy 2 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy
Show me the daleel. There are many companion (RA) stories proving it.
oigeezer 2 months ago
@oigeezer
You're in the position to show me daleel about the topic of "BLIND-FOLLOWING."
You go to the extreme and say "BLIND-FOLLOW."
I want daleel where it says "BLIND-FOLLOW."
Not the daleel where it says follow an Imam and take the evidences from the 'Ulemma. Because us Salafis upon the correct aqeedah and manhaj believe this.
MuslimVlogGuy 2 months ago
@oigeezer
It refers to blind following.
oigeezer 2 months ago
@oigeezer
YEAH. THAT IS YOUR MAN-MADE interpretation. The Sahaba NEVER SAID "BLIND-FOLLOW!"
Thats what I thought.
MuslimVlogGuy 2 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy
And trust me, brother I'm not trying to be harsh.. I'm trying to make you realize..
I'm not with that Jahil, Abu Usamah. That same Jahil who degrades pious people..
MuslimVlogGuy 2 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy Do you have a time machine?? You must have a time machine because you are not blind and you have seen the times of the Sahabaa and so you follow directly from them.
I have not seen or lived in those times so I rely on the pious. Tell me how do you know the hadith's in Bukhari are sahih?
sawban 2 months ago
@sawban
I've seen that weak argument from one of your speakers. It holds no weight.. Because the current 'Ulemma's teachings can be traced back to the salaf, and to the Prophet Sallalahu alayhi wasalaam..
It's not me that is deciding for myself. It's the 'Ulemma I follow.. And you want to ask "how do I know it's sunnah?"
Because nothing contradicts the teachings of the Prophet Sallalahu alayhi wasalaam and the Qur'an.
We're not lost and confused. We don't take from deobandis/sufis.
MuslimVlogGuy 2 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy Who taught your ulema's? and who taught their teachers? see how far back you can go with this question then let me know
You see I proved to you that you do blindly follow, you believe them because their teachings can be traced back, how? Weak argument. There are fabricated hadiths that don't contradict the Qur'an.
Our Ulema's have a sanad that can be traced back to the salaf and also the teachings. The sanad proves that they are not new
sawban 2 months ago 2
@sawban
Yeah, I could go back if you really wanted me to... I have that information.
This is where you go to the extreme and say "WE BLIND-FOLLOW." This is not Blind-Following. Shaykh Al Fawzan put it perfectly "We don't worship according to the statements of the scholars, we worship according to the kitab and sunnah."
I asked your friend to show me where the sahaba said "Blind-follow." He couldnt show me..
Fabricated hadiths you're willing to take for your deen? Are you crazy?
MuslimVlogGuy 2 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy Shaykh Al Fawzan Said.....""We don't worship according to the statements of the scholars, we worship according to the kitab and sunnah."...........and you accept his statement without checking.....SubhanAllah......What a Bluff...
DeenFikar 1 month ago
@sawban
Mumtaz Al Haqq said "We're ALL BLIND FOLLOWERS!"
I challenge him to show me where a companion or the Prophet Sallalahu alayhi wasalaam STATED THAT!
MuslimVlogGuy 2 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy But you are a blind follower. You take sahih al bukhari as sahih. Why? because so so said so. You take albani's classification as sahih,etc... But you were never there to actually witness the words coming out from the prophet(saws) or can verify it without doubt. So STFU dumbass
Fi7h 1 month ago
@Fi7h
if the sunnah is clear, and it is verified by the ulemma, then it's clear. when the sunnah says something as simple as the Prophet sallalahu alayhi wasalaam raised his hands for the takbeerat, then he simply did.
That's not blind following.. The explanation of the sunnah has been made clear.
You wanna know why these people (hanafifiqhchannel crew) deem blind following?
Because they take from multple aqeedahs. They themselves are lost. While we only believe in 1 aqeedah.
MuslimVlogGuy 1 month ago
@MuslimVlogGuy "if the sunnah is clear, and it is verified by the ulemma, then it's clear" ???
So that means you are doing taqleed on those ulemma i.e trusting and accepting their research and conclusions. But when others who are non salafi do the same you accuse them of blind following and boast that you don't do anything near to blind following.
This is very common amongst the salafi's (who have no link to the salaf's anyway).
sawban 1 month ago 7
@MuslimVlogGuy BTW I'm still waiting on the info you have on the sanad of your scholars
sawban 1 month ago 10
@Fi7h
and wow, i thought you followers were well-mannered. I got scolded at for saying "you people" and you insult me.. wow.. shameful
MuslimVlogGuy 1 month ago
@oigeezer you have said well except for the last part "by your mentor, shaytan" (why capslock? LOL)
brother let us not loose respect =) and pray for ALL of our guidance.
useuff 2 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy hanafifiqh is one AWESOME channel and may Allah Jallah Jalaalahu reward him for this with Jannah elFirdaws and may HE reward us all with Jannah elFirdaws too.
The Shaikhs who hanafi fiqh uploads are proper students of greater scholars of the previous century who highly value and respect the knowledge of Islam. They do not just rise up in the West holding on to one Book's translation and draw their own conclusions out of it based on no experience or background knowledge.
useuff 2 months ago
@hanafifiqh Those who like your self don't put importace on aqeedah no that no ibaadat is accepted unless your aqeedah is correct on of the signs of the end tumes is that a people will appear and therer rectation and ibadat will make yours look inferior, imaan leaves them like a arror leaves the bow (never to return) Every place in the Koran it say's "Ya ayuhallazina Amanu wa amilusalihaat"
"O you who believe and do good actions"
Imaan first actions after
Aqeedah comes First
acejamal1 2 months ago
@acejamal1
And we are established on the aqeeda of the Ahlus-Sunna wal jama so now that's out the way, moving on to fiqh...
oigeezer 2 months ago
@oigeezer Every group claims that they are established on the Aqeedah of Ahle sunnah wal Jamah what is your proof to substantiate your claim?
Firstly establish that you know your aqeedahThen we can move on to Fiqh
acejamal1 2 months ago
@acejamal1
Who the hell are you to be my judge as to which creed I am on. You think the world AND me revolve around your pitiful information??? Who the hell substantiated your claim? You are a complete waste of time. I will leave this argument even though I know I'm right.
oigeezer 2 months ago
@oigeezer Why you so angry bro angery! anger is not a sift a Mu'min should display thinking you are right does not make you right! it makes you delusional
I was just following the advice of the famous Tabi Ibn Sirin Mishkat baab ul ilm
"verily this is knowledge of deen you must see who you are learning it from"
You are contradictory you are going back and establishing the Sanad if Imam Abu Hanif and i don't have the right to ask you what your sanad is?
R U a Youtube Mullah?
acejamal1 2 months ago
@acejamal1
You fool, the most I can teach you in deen is to tell you to go to scholars with sanad. That's all I'm doing. I pass no religious rulings, which is the different between Iman and Kufr, like you idiots.
oigeezer 1 month ago
@oigeezer Your arogance is beffitting that of a youtube Mullah another keyboard ninja!
What guarantee do we have that the scholars you are guiding us towards are from the Ahle Sunnah?
You are so ignorant that you think we should blindly follow your opinion and accept without being able to ask any questions!
Then when some brother ask questions you display rudeness and anger!
It was you giving more importance to fiqh than Imaan it is you people who attack Muslims if they pray differently!
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1
You are questioning the Imam of the likes of Imam Abu Hanifa (RA), Abdullah Ibn Mubarak (RA), Imam Muhammad (RA), Imam Nawawi (RA), Ibn Taymiya (RA), Sheikh Rasheed Ahmed Gangohi (RA), Hakeem-ul-ummat Thanwy (RA) and millions of others? And you keep saying "we" as if I am an imposter in the deen, and you are on the correct path. And on top of that, you have the audacity to claim others create disunity by attacking others?
oigeezer 1 month ago
@oigeezer How?
Ibn Taymiyyah was not From Ahle Sunnah he was Mujjisimah and declared a Kafir after a debate by the Ullema of Ahle Sunnah and died in jail for his eronious beliefs!
Rasheed gangahi and Thanvi sahib did not share the same aqeedah as Imam Nawawi as Imam Nawawi believed waseelah of the Prophet and calling "Ya Rasoollah" in the time of need as expressed in his book Kitab al Azkaar. Both Thanvi and Gangohi decared such Aqeedah as shirk so they were not Ahle Sunah but Deobandi!
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1 Hold on!!! Did you just say that Ibn Taymiyah was a kafir... Didn't you heard that Prophet said: "If a man says to his brother "O Kaafir" Then surely one of them is such"...Brother beware of takfeer...
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73 Read it again Brother! I said the ullema of his time declared him Kafir for his beliefs that Allah has a body with parts.
"The Prophet also said declare the fisq of the Fasiq so people can be protected from him"
The believe that Allah has a body with parts, likening Him to Human beings and giving Him Human Attributes is Kufr as declared by the Salf Ahle Sunnah is a purer aqeedah!
So according to you you should not declare some who has a Fataw of kufr on him Kafir?
The Ullema....
acejamal1 1 month ago
cont..declared that and gave Fataw to that effect and it was not challenged then the matter is closed it is only the Najdi wahabi Imam that revived this Kufria Aqeedah. The One of the Oldest (Undisputed) books on aqeedah is that of Imam Tahawi 239-321 A.H often called Aqeeedfah Tahawiyah
34.Anyone who describes Allah as being in any way the same as a human being has become an unbeliever
38.He is beyond having limits placed on Him, or being restricted, or having parts or limbs.
Beware bro!
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1 Brother When Our Prophet(peace & blessings be upon him) said:"Indeed, you will see your lord as you see this moon...." did He compared ALLAH to the moon? NO! What he meant was you will have no inconvenience in seeing ALLAH. When we say ALLAH is All-Seeing Does we mean ALLAH has eyes.NO! we keep in mind the uniqueness of ALLAH...Nothing is Comparable to him...Even if you ask a Ignorant he will say the same...& you say Ibn Taymiyah did'nt knew this? We don't blindly follow anyone.Contd
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73 You are displaying the Aqueedah of Ahle Sunnah but do you think Shaykh ul Islam Taqi ud Din Subki and the other leading scholars of their time did not know this.Ibn Taymiiyah was declared a Kafir after a debate because of what he had written were he states Allah is physically sat on Arsh and he has two eyes and actually has a shin and Foot He ascends and decends!
Majmua al Fatawa etc...
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1
No, it is slanderous to claim Ibn Taymiya (RA) believed Allah The Most High ascended and descended physically, and he himself refuted these beliefs in one of his books called "Sharh hadithunuzul" (The book name I am quoting off the top of my head, so I may slightly off when it comes to it's name).
oigeezer 1 month ago
@oigeezerIbn Taymiyyah "Bayaan Talbiis Al-Jahmiyya."
قولك إن كان منقسما كان مركبا وتقدم إبطاله تقدم الجواب عن هذا الذي سميته مركبا وتبين أنه لا حجة أصلا على امتناع ذلك بل بين أن إحالة ذلك تقتضي إبطال كل موجود ولولا أنه أحال على ما تقدم لما أحلنا عليه وتقدم بيان ما في لفظ التركيب والتحيز والغير والافتقار من الاحتمال وإن المعنى الذي يقصد منه بذلك يجب أن يتصف به كل موجود سواء كان واجبا أو ممكنا وإن القول بامتناع ذلك يستلزم السفسطة المحضة (بيان تلبيس الجهمية ج 1 ص 33).
acejamal1 1 month ago
"We have already clarified what possibilities (in terms of what they mean) are associated with the words 'composition, settling in place, being other (having different sides or parts) and need, and that what is meant by this, is something all existing things must be attributed with, whether necessary in existence ( Allah - SAWT) or possible in existence (Creation). Verily to say that this is impossible (for Allah - SWT), to be attributed with, is pure sophistry (literalism).
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1 Contd...We follow the truth Wherever we find it...
blckeys73 1 month ago
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@acejamal1 Contd...We follow the truth Wherever we find it...
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73 No because Bukhari Volume 3 Book 38 Number 505 raed and study that hadith the theif teaches ayah al Kursi a the end of the Hadith the Prophet reveals it is no other than Shaytan.
Now shaytan teaches something good would you follow him?
This is why you should look at whom you are learning deen from as the Famous Tabi Ibn sarin advised us (Mishkat ul Masabih kitab ul Ilm )
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1 In the Hadith you quoted Our Prophet said:"...He really Spoke the Truth..."
that's my point we follow the truth wherever we find it no matter whether it comes from Ibn taymiyah or Shaykh Albani or Imam Tahawi
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73 The prescription is "Al Jamiatu rehmatun wal firqatu azaab" follow the jamaat not the individual!
If smoething ibn Taymiyyah say is according to the Jamaah we accepted otherwise it is rejected!
Albani did not even have a sanad he read books and gave his own Hawaas and rejected what the Jamaah had said!
Imam Tahawi represented the Jamaah his books confirm the Jamaah and reject ibn Taymiyyah and Albani read Aqeedah Tahawiyyah focus on points 34, 38 their Kufar is apparent!
acejamal1 1 month ago
Ibn Taymiyah also held a view that hell fire would end...but we didn't accepted that...Following the mistakes of Imams is not our goal...& Shaykh Albani had a sanad there's a whole video on youtube dedicated to that...
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73
Yes, a few seconds video with no real evidence. You people are so unfamiliar with a sanad that you don't even know what a sanad of baraka is...
oigeezer 1 month ago
@oigeezer Are you stupid the quotes are read out with the reference! the truth is we are in pocession of the books ourselves and can provide the references but with you it would be like flogging a dead horse.
If you had any fear of the Almighty you would research for yourself instead of defending the kufr that he wrote it is apparent to anyone who reads these quotes for himself!
Because you are pre programmed you can not oppose your conditioning!
we are not unfair we value our Imaan!
acejamal1 1 month ago
@blckeys73 Albani did not have a Sanad from any known shaykh that has been a challenge from the Ullema of Sham and till this day no one has provided one so i will be happy if you can provide the link!
Ibn tamiyyah was mujjisimah and that should enough not top follow him!
The feeble minded will except his kufar as Imaan do you not know that" to doubt kufr is kufr its self" Qazi Abu Yusaf Kitab al Khiraaj so why read someones books that contains kufr you are illogical devoid of sense!
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1 Follow this /watch?v=UZFMz_nJWjc see description for His Ijaaza
blckeys73 1 month ago
@acejamal1 For the term "Jism" refer to "ibntaymiyyah[dot]com/articles/xwywcrg-ibn-taymiyyah-and-the-use-of-the-term-jism-body-for-allaah-the-exalted[dot]cfm" & also refer to Sharh al-aqeeda il wasitiyah (p.77) with the commentary of Dr. Muhammad Khalil...Ibn Taymiyyah (RA) never followed his desires...He denounced the belief of tamtheel...Ibn Taymiyyah is free from all these blatant lies against him (May Allah have mercy on him)
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73 His books bare witness to his kufr Dr Khalil and others like Him (wahabi's) try to vindicate him but he never retracted the kufr he had written. When he debated with the scholars (Imam Taqi ud Din Subki) and lost trying to defnd his position of mujjisimah he never made Tauba and never retracted his eronous and kufr statements!
So he is not free and the books with his kufria statements are still being printed in Najd today because Wahabis in a body with parts for Allah...
acejamal1 1 month ago
The language and terms that he uses are clear and there can be no mistaking what he has intended to say.
Read tthe Aqeedah Uthaymeem for confirmation of the same kufr ibn Taymiyyah churned out. I told you, you have been pre- programmed you can not differentiate between what is kufr and what is Imaan you are unable to read and research yourself that is because you are brainwashed.
Look at what you are trying to defend That Allah is sat on Arsh and has body parts!
You tube shaykh Fiez
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1 Brother did you read the article? His stand is clear in regards to the allegation imposed on him...The salafis didn't confined Allah to a place see fatwaa jeddah 17 by shaikh Albani...Looks like you have been brainwashed not me...you just don't want to understand...you just want to believe in what your shaikh taught you...Is this how we're going to unite? on falsehood?on slandering one another? Nothing should prevent us from adhering to the truth...
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73 Brother be logical because islam is not an illogical religion based on whims! The Fatawa issued against ib Taymiyyah was not given in his absence it was issued in his presence as he was defending his position of affirming Body and direction for Allah.
And your next comments are tottaly false because So called Salafi's state that Allah is on arsh and he acsends and decends Fatawa Bazzia, Aqeedah Utahymeen also read Bin Bazz's Sharah of Fath al Bari he ascerts Allah ....
acejamal1 1 month ago 2
cont..Ascends and decends and that Allah is sat on Arsh!
the hadith dajjal has one eye he states" this is proof that Allah has two eyes" I don't just follow what i am told Al hamdollilah i have always been told to to research and investigate what i have been told to better understand it!
We can not compremise on Aqeedah doesn't matter how some one does his ibbaddat as long he following hadith.
I do not peeddle falsehood this is the sum of my research and study not "parrot" pharasing!
acejamal1 1 month ago 2
@acejamal1 Brother please refer to these links [islamqa[dot]com/en/ref/96323/ibn%20taymiyah]
[ozdawah[dot]com/2011/04/23/accusations-of-blasphemy-against-sheikh-al-islam-ibn-taymiyyah/]
[shaikhalbaani[dot]wordpress[dot]com/2011/09/30/a-refutation-of-those-who-accuse-ahlus-sunnah-of-confining-allaah-to-a-place-1/]
I hope these & the earlier one's will clarify your situation...
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73 There are several points that are not being addressed namely:
Did those Ullema that refuted him (in debate) before the Issue of fatwa of kufr not hear his arguments?
Has it been left 600 years later for people to defend him could he not defend himself?
Was he in the minority or majority?
His books contain clear and explicit terms which discribe a Body?
When he has gone against the established believe of Ahle Sunnah one only has to read his books the evidence is plain!
acejamal1 1 month ago
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@blckeys73 There are several points that are not being addressed namely:
Did those Ullema that refuted him (in debate) before the Issue of fatwa of kufr not hear his arguments?
Has it been left 600 years later for people to defend him could he not defend himself?
Was he in the minority or majority?
His books contain clear and explicit terms which discribe a Body?
When he has gone against the established believe of Ahle Sunnah one only has to read his books the evidence is plain!
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1 “The correct view is that He descends and that He does not vacate the Throne. A person's soul remains attached to his body night and day until he dies, but when he is asleep it ascends… It was said, night varies, and the last third of the night comes sooner in the east than in the west, so the descent of Allaah to the lowest heaven, of which His Messenger spoke, happens in the east first and then in the west...”
See Majmoo’ Fataawa Ibn Taymiyah, 5/132
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73 So you give the attributes of humans to Allah and ascribe sitting to Allah and confine Allah to a place and ascibe Allah to be sat on his creation and sitting requires a body!
the lower heaven is confined by six directions and you assert that Allah is contained in the six Directions and that the arsh is Akbar because it is bigger than Allah.
All these concepts are Kufar read Aqeedah Tahwiyyah points 34, 38
You deny that you believe a body for Allah then assert a body.
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1 brother what logic you are putting up? Inspite of so many refutations you just don't want to retract ur position...Ibn taymiyah challenged those ash'ari ulemas & gave them 7 years to prove him wrong but they were not able to do so...
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73 Because the evidence is over whelming against him and his own wriiten word bars witness against him.
It is only this one sect whose origins or from Najd who defend him because they take ther belief's from him and assert that that is the belief of the Salaf.
As for your allegations that he challenged the ullema may i remind you the circumstance of his death he died in jail after a debate which he lost and resulted in a fatawa of kufr against him.
Look at the evidence..cont
acejamal1 1 month ago
..we examine the evidence and just to give one example read his Minhaj us Sunnah where he say that Hadret Ali's conversion has two qawls and the strongest one is that it is not known whether it removed his kufr!
wahabis spreading belief that the Prophet is a like any ordinary person the blasphemy against the Prophet and Hadret Ali and other companions is not of concern to you but ibn Taymiyyah is!
What kind of islam is this?
Because you declare him your shaykh ul islam!
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1 As Allah (the most Exalted) said: And when it is said to them, ʺCome to what Allaah has revealed, and to the Messenger,ʺ you see the hypocrites turning away from you in aversion.[Sooratun‐Nisaa, 4:61]
blckeys73 1 month ago
@acejamal1 ʺAccept them as they have come without asking ʹHow?ʹʺ See Iʹtiqaad Ahlus‐Sunnah by al‐Laalakaaee (3/537,930) and Fath al‐Baaree (3/407)...This has been reported from Makhool, az‐Zuhree, Maalik ibn Anas, Sufyaan ath‐Thawree, al‐Layth ibn Saʹd, and al‐Awzaaʹee.
ʺAccept them as they have comeʺ refutes the Muaʹttilah and, ʺwithout asking
ʹHow?ʹʺ refutes the Mushabbihah. Seems like you are amongs the Mua'ttilah negating the attributes of Allah Which is established from Quran & Sunnah
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73 That is typical of your kind when you can't answer you make silly accusations and you are "this" you are "that" !
Correct me if i am wrong you are asserting that the closest to Allah is those people in the space station because by proximty they are closer?
Ahle Sunnah accept all the koran and attribute of Allah we deny nothing of them the How we don't go into simply acceot it befitting his majaesty!
The Wahabi's give as ibn taymiyyah give literal meaning which is kufr...
acejamal1 1 month ago
cont. This is against the Salf!
"accepting them as they come"
If some one negates the Attributes of Allah and compares Allah to creation his has disbelieved
لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِ شَيْءٌ42,11
43, 84وَهُوَ الَّذِي فِي السَّمَاءِ إِلَٰهٌ وَفِي الْأَرْضِ إِلَٰهٌ ۚ وَهُوَ الْحَكِيمُ الْعَلِيمُ
16,74فَلَا تَضْرِبُوا لِلَّهِ الْأَمْثَالَ
16,60وَلِلَّهِ الْمَثَلُ الْأَعْلَىٰ
watch the video response!
also watch shaykh fiez YouTube descrbing shin as in the koran his pointoints to his own?
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1 Do you mean to say that Allah is "EVERYWHERE" don't you believe in Istawa..."accepting them as they come" is against the salaf..!! Are you serious? When these Statements are made there is no Tashbih (comparison) or Tamthil (likening Allah's Attributes to those of His Creation) involved...can't you understand these simple words...?
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73 Az Zukhruf وَهُوَ الَّذِي فِي السَّمَاءِ إِلَٰهٌ وَفِي الْأَرْضِ إِلَٰهٌ ۚ وَهُوَ الْحَكِيمُ الْعَلِيمُ
And He it is Who in the heaven is God, and in the earth God. He is the Wise, the Knower.
Ahle Sunnah except "Istawa" befitting his majesty!
What meaning of Istiwa will you give here?
Al Baqarah: 29
ثُمَّ اسْتَوَىٰ إِلَى السَّمَاءِ فَسَوَّاهُنَّ سَبْعَ سَمَاوَاتٍ
Then turned He to the heaven, and fashioned it as seven heavens.
Istiwa clearly here is "Qudrat" if we took..
acejamal1 1 month ago
con't.. the meaning you give then it is naught but kufr because by implication you are making a body for Allah!
Know that Allah is has He was before he created creation, creating creation did not affect Him nor will destroying it!
You believe like christians and the Jews, after creating creation Allah needed to rest.
What did Allah rest on before he created Arsh?
see the stupidity of your position.
The Wahabi's affirm that Allah is resting on his creation this is not from the Salf!
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1 ok now its clear & will be easy for me....brother please read it with an open mind...
1: Do ye feel secure that He Who is in heaven will not cause you to be swallowed up by the earth when it shakes (as in an earthquake)? [67:16]
2:(Allah) Most Gracious is firmly established on the Throne (of authority).[20:5]
3:They all revere their Lord, high above them, and they do all that they are commanded.[16:50]
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73 It is clear what you are basically you are a literalist so everything has literal meaning to and it is clear that you have lack of understanding (believing witness does not mean seeing but rather giving evidence) that is ignorance of the highest order so it easy to see how you have fallen into the literalists trap.
Qaf [50:16] It was We who created man, and We know what dark suggestions his soul makes to him: for We are nearer to him than (his) jugular vein.
again you did..
acejamal1 1 month ago
cont..there are many verses we can put forward but you did not answer my
question.
Are those in the space station closer to Allah due to proximity?
I will show that you literal interpretation is not from the Salf and they did not hold this literal interpretation.
Allah is closer to us than our jugular vein!
The correct understanding according to Ahle Sunnah is He Allah is High above what they acribe to him!
Not that is by distance floating about somewhere sat on something!
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1 contd.. The words of this Ayah do not need this explanation (that `We' refers to `Allah's knowledge'), for Allah did not say, `and I am closer to him than his jugular vein.' Rather, He said,(And We are nearer to him than his jugular vein. ) just as He said in the case of dying persons,(But We are nearer to him than you, but you see not.) (56:85), in reference to His angels (who take the souls).
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73 Then you are more ignorant thabn i first presumed and you do not understand basic language the term Used is "Nahnu" We this is where the christians went wrong they took the we to mean three!
So how is the We Allah's knowledge?
Go and ask a linguist and ask this we is amark of respect no always plural as you maintain.
don't give me your opinion show me from the Hadith which angels are closer than our jugular vein?
And this verse does not talk about death!
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1 as for Sur e Qaf [50:16]: (And We are nearer to him than his jugular vein.) means, His angels are nearer to man than his jugular vein. Those who explained `We' in the Ayah to mean `Our knowledge,' have done so to avoid falling into the idea of incarnation or indwelling; but these two creeds are false according to the consensus of Muslims. see tafsir Ibn Kathir...
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73 Al-Baqara [2:23] And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed
Did Angel Jibraeel reveal or Did Allah reveal and Jibraeel bring the revelation?
The we NAA hear is most certainly Allah Almighty this is the opinion of Ibn Kathir there is no Qawl from the Salaf for this and this is his reasoning for it because he was amongst those who asserted Allah's sitting on arsh!
So provide us with Qawl of the Salf that it means knowledge!
acejamal1 1 month ago
@acejamal1 4:The angels and the Spirit ascend unto Him in a Day the measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years.[70:4]
5:"..ant the throne is above that, and Allah is above the Throne"[Mukhtasar al'uluww p.48]
6:"Do you not trust me while I am trusted by the one above the heaven"[Bukhari 4351]
7:Our Lord decends to the heaven of the dunya when last third of night remains[Bukhari]
blckeys73 1 month ago
@blckeys73 One of the most authentic books narrating the Aqeedah of the Salf is the Aqeedah Tahawiyyah (239-321)
38. He is beyond having limits placed on Him, or being restricted, or having parts or limbs. Nor is He contained by the six directions as all created things are
By asserting that He physically ascends and decends that he is contained by his creation and contained in the six directions.
7. the Muhadith have explained this as his his Rehmah not as Wahabi's assert.
acejamal1 1 month ago