To all SDAs and Christians. Mr Doug recognized that Ellen White quoted from other documents. Plagiarism means to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own: use (a created production) without crediting the source. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT ELLEN DID. SHE PUT HER NAME ON THE DOCUMENTS; SHE NEVER GAVE CREDIT TO THE ORIGINAL WRITER. Mr Doug is wrong by defending Ellen. The bible tells us to rebuke our brothers when they act wrong. Paul rebuked Peter for acting wrong (Galatians2:11)
@belojo2003 EG White used sources and quoted without credit - yes - but that was perfectly normal in her time. Happens on the internet all the time too.
@legacypac Well, you don't get it. Copy an idea from someone and pass it as it was given to you by God in vision is what you call normal in her time? She said "I do not write one article in paper, expressing merely my own ideas. They are what God has presented to me in vision...(EGW, Selected Message Book l, pge27)" She did not only plagiarize, but she also misused the Name of Dod. However, instead to rebuke her as Galatians2:11 shows, SDAs put her as the last prophet. What a shame!
@belojo2003 He also said that Jesus quoted from the old testament but did not give credit to Moses or whomever he was quoting just as he mentioned that John did quote from other writers in the new testament. We still say that the book was written by John don't we/ So why is it different with her. If what she quoted was for putting up books which glorify God why do you have a problem with that? Is there any Christian writer who does not quote others?
@mayaka70 Yes Jesus and John refered to Moses and scriptures (Mat5:21-42; 8:4; John19:36). But Ellen never refered to an author of her time in which she copied some ideas from them. Instead, she claimed all of her writings came directly from God in vision. She said "I do not write one article in the paper, expressing merely my own ideas, they are what God has opened before me in vision...(Selected Messages Book I, pge.27)"
She misused God's name while being plagiarized. That's the case
@belojo2003 I am not an expert in Ellen white, but I recall her saying "this was not given to me in inspiration, this was. Then in that quote you read she is surely talking about what was given to her in vision, not everything.
@belojo2003 This, about ellen white plagerizing is being discussed at lenth, in some article, for example some historical quotations were obviously plagiarized, same as if I say "the ussr fell in such year, etc etc." In ather words it was too obvious to be a lie. and it was common practice
@faap1928 Jesus and John refered to Moses and scriptures (Mat5:21-42; 8:4; John19:36). But Ellen never refered to an author of her time in which she copied some ideas from. Instead, she claimed all of her writings came directly from God in vision. She said "I do not write one article in the paper, expressing merely my own ideas, they are what God has opened before me in vision...(Selected Messages Book I, pge.27)" She misused God's name. MANY SDAs PASTORS ADMIT IT. DOUG IS WRONG
If Jesus is "Michael the Archangel" then why does he say: The LORD rebuke you in Jude 1:9? If he is the LORD, then why is he calling on the LORD? That doesn't make any sense, does it? By the way, ALL the Archangels were called "princes", including Lucifer, he is a "prince" also, so calling Michael a "prince" doesn't prove he is Jesus!
TO THE REV DUDE ABOUT SODOM AND THE SUFFERING OD ETERNAL FIRE THAT YOU DONT SEE TODAY! WELL DO YOU SEE HELL TODAY? NO AND YOU DO NOT SEE ETERNAL LAKE OF FIRE EITHER! SO YOUR STATEMENT TO IMPRESS ON OTHERS THAT THE LAKE OF FIRE IS NOT ETERNAL TORMENT IS MUTE!! DO YOU SEE ETERNAL LIFE? NO BUT WE SHALL HAVE IT! YOUR COMMON SENSE IS FRIGHTENING!
hell and the lake of fire are two different places : hell is where the physical body and soul that are not saved go and the lake of fire is where after the judgment go and it does not or should not separate us from each other because this issue is not a salvation issue! many issues that people disagree on are not salvation issues: god will finally judge
We are sanctified by truth (john 17:17) and if that is true then believing something that is not true must do the opposite and if that is so then it becomes a salvation issue. For this reason it is not a good idea to believe Satan's lies that God is some kind of monster who would have people screaming from being tortured in hell fire FOREVER!
THIS IS NOTHING BUT THE FILTHY DOCTRINE OF DEMONS!!!
@eaglesbow JESUS SAID WE SHALL NEVER DIE CORRECT? AND HE ALSO SAID THERE WERE THOSE WHO WERE ALIVE BUT WERE DEAD CORRECT? SO HOW IS IT SO UNBELIEVABLE TO THINK THERE IS NO FIRE THAT BURNS FOREVER? DONT SAY YOU DONT KNOW CAUSE YOU SURE AS HELL DO NOT KNOW JUST BY LISTENING TO YOUR LOGIC!!!! IF JESUS SAID IT IS ETERNAL FORE , THEN IT IS ETERNAL FIRE : DEMONS WOULD LIKE US TO BELIEVE THERE IS NO HELL FIRE IT WOULD SEEN TO ME: THEN WE COULD LIVE LIKE HELL AND JUST DIE!!!YOU ARE WRONG PERIOD
Firstly, my friend, the Bible defines hell as an EVENT and not a place. "The fire shall burn them up leaving neither root nor branch" Mal 4:1 This has nothing to do with my logic it is just plain scripture!!
Yes, and if I might add, it is the effects of the fire that is eternal and not the fire. Jude 1:7 tells us that Sodom and Gomorrah suffered the vengeance of eternal fire but we don't see the fire burning today do we?
On the contrary, demons would love for you to believe that God is a monster like Satan. Only a fiend would think it was justice to roast people forever in hell for all eternity for sins committed in just one lifetime.
When God tells us that He will bring Satan to ASHES upon the earth what's so hard to understand about that?
@frenchis19 The devil said "you shall not die" Jesus said the "wages of sin is death" eternal death in the eternal fire not living forever in a eternal fire!
In the BIBLE it states that everyone will be judge according 2 His Works Rev 20 10 The devil, who deceived them,...... 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God,and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were JUDGED ACCORDING to THEIR WORKS, by the things which were written in the books. 13 "...And they were judged, EACH 1 ACCORDING to HIS WORKS. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
Who ever does not obey Gods Commandments it does not matter if you keep the Sabbath however you steal or lie or etc you will receive the Mark of the Beast bcuz those characteristics is not of God but of the devil Sin enters through the pride of life, lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes. The 3 angels message will be presented to everyone if you love God you will obey Him & not your selfish needs or to a pastor who teach to rebel against God the 10 Commandments was establish be4 Moses Love
@bryanbeltline Ezek.23:37 That they have committed adultery, and blood is in their hands, and with their idols have they committed adultery, and have also caused their sons, whom they bare unto me, to pass for them through the fire, to devour them.
There is no mention of the 10c's here but adultery is also serving other gods. A god could be money. You can't serve mammon and God. So the love of money can be adultery. I keep hearing a fairly new phrase, " financial infidelity." (it = adultery)
@bryanbeltline Never said 1 should not do good works! But works will not save! Once 1 except Christ, u want to do good works(fruit of the spirit) Not because ur trying to be save, but because u are saved. its also faith that works.
As to James 2:17 read all for context! deeds of love. If u claim faith but have no love. So again its whats in our heart, we do nothing that is not in our heart, be it bad or good. This is not implying to the tc per-say but of love. that is shown through us
@brya 1 can come to Him be it bad or not so bad, u dont understanding means ur mind u have to be good before u come to Christ. if u didnt use proof text thing w what I said & & used context u would see what I said does not imply to ur interpretation to what I said
Was the thief on the cross saved
Now answer! Do u believe u are sinless? Are u saved if u don't reach this sinless state?
Dont answer, I already know ur true belief on this do to ur comments
@bryanbeltline (remnant might be small)Never mentioned anything about the remnant
(don't have to be good to be saved just listen to yourself) quote the rest(u have to be saved to be good) U just don't get it. but I understand u, u really believe saved by works
(words to fit) No, I like context. U manipulate the gospel bc u hold to old cov, & don't understand the new
Can u reach this state of sinless? Do u believe u are sinless? Are u saved if u don't reach this sinless state?
@bryanbeltline Come as u are! The moment u believe in Christ u are excepted in the beloved, As long as u keep ur eye on Him u can not be lost.U are counted Righteous by the merits of Christ that is imputed to u by faith. As u live in the spirit (NC)(free women) bc u belong to Christ (u were bought by a price) heart changes (Sanctified) produce good fruit. Freedom of choice to except Gods free gift, u will receive as long as u don't reject it. Sin is ur enemy, Christ is ur friend
U don't have to be good to be saved, thinking if ur good enough then God will love me, God loves u even if u are not good & if you believe it u will become good. U have to be saved to be good, By faith saved! Then sanctified because of faith u become good. Justification is the root=Christ merits, Sanctification is the fruit Not trying to keep the law to be saved but, because u are saved. Acceptance of Gods free Gift, given by the blood of Christ, if u dont reject it
@bryan proof text method out of context is dangerous.To search 4 single text through out the bible to establish a doctrine-theology, then take these text out of context, u will most likely arrive w the wrong theology & doing so is a manipulation of the context
Do u believe u are sinless? Can u reach this state of sinless? Are u saved if u don't reach this sinless state? What if u slip once in thought or word & did not realize u just sinned, & did not repent of it, according to u, ur done 4
if we say,WE keep the tc. person who says such things has just bc prideful, of the flesh, such statements indicates 1 doesn’t understand the purpose of the law nor its full implications. Thats why by Grace we have been saved. The righteous requirement of the law is fulfilled IN us BY Christ through Faith & his Grace. TC can change the external appearance of man (being external righteousness) but the Grace of God by HIS Spirit changes man from the inside out.
@bryanbeltline ur saying saved by grace, kept by works. Sins forgiven we u come in, then its up to u to keep law perfect. Law of God requires Perfect in thought,motive,desire,word all ur days, 1 slip ur a goner. So ur really saying saved by law. Many things we offend if not saved by grace we wont be saved none of us.
until u put all faith in Christ as a method of salvation u are lost. Law is good,but we cant kept it perfectly all have fallen short, the letter kills
@bryanbeltline Justification is the root, sanctification is the fruit but never the root.
Without context, 1 could make the bible say anything just by proof text method.That is not good hermeneutics
Imputed righteousness by the merits of Christ given by faith. A gift from God if u don't reject it. NC The spirit sanctifies also by faith. Its whats in ur heart. Christ in heart 1 loose desire to sin. Sin is not a act its a attitude, we do nothing that is not in our heart
@bryanbeltline Well ...trying to follow you and the discussion here..i guess than the main problem is that everybody has different definition of the Gospel.
What is your version of it ? Can you put it in a few simple words ?
Do you keep perfectly God's law ? Would you be brave enough to make the bold statement here that you don't sin anymore since you mentioned "the obligation of keeping God's holy Law"?
@brya As to I John 2:3,4, ur interpretation is once u claim belief, then if u break 1 precept of the OC(bond women)in thought,motive,desire,word, just 1, then u don't believe
What a travesty & damming theology. Salvation by law & have fallen from grace. bc not putting faith in Christ that He died 4 u, not putting trust in Him, but putting trust in ur self
We are worse then expected, He is better then we can imagine
How can He save u if u don't trust in Him - imputation of the merits of Christ
@bryanbeltline game11221 made a great biblical points!I am SDA member but i find that in many cases we got locked in our definitions to the point of denying even the authority of the Bible.When we talk about the Law the first and the last in our mind are the 10 comm.Defining SIN with it with our wicked minds is very limited and primitive.Simple Q to express what i mean:Is polygamy a sin? Where is it in the 10 comm?
The law of God: 1JOHN 3:23 , 1JOHN 3:14,15 , 1JOHN 4:11,12 ,4:7,8
@bryanbeltline I John 2:3,4..yep, context, context... Note: does not mean that only those who never disobey know God,but simply refers to those whose lives are generally characterized by obedience.
Read all of GAL. & all of Rom. not proof text method but in light of total context.
Simple, if u claim to believe & go out & sin freely like ya I believe so have a license to sin, than u really don't believe. A true believe hates his sin! His attitude (heart ) changes-repents ect. not perfection
@bryanbeltline hall we continue in sin that grace may abound?..God forbid..(Romans 6:1,2)
Nice twist! Again ur saying be perfect to law to receive grace. If ur perfect to law then u would not need grace!
I am not perfect to the law, I am a sinner and hate that I am! I thank God for the cross, that He give His son & He loves me! We have salvation through Christ (free women) Does not mean I should take advantage - law breaking, that would put me back under the bond women
@bryanbeltline Sounds like u are saying, u better be perfect to the law,all ur days if not ur done 4.
If that is true,then the law saves u
I am saying, saved by grace through faith alone, sanctified by faith alone is a gift of God. The spirit (NEW Cov) in ur heart, that changes u bc u excepted Him (chose to) not trying to keep the law to be saved, keeping it because ur saved. U don't have to be good to be saved, but u have to be saved to be good! Old cov of the flesh, new of the spirit
Thats the problem,some feel 1s they come in there sins are forgiven. then they have to roll up there sleeves & get right w God, thinking they can reach such a sanctification, yet 1 slip ur a goner! If ur not saved by grace u will not be saved!
Spirit of God walk contrary to His own law> That why we have a savior, we are justified & sanctified by faith. By spirit we changeby faith, bc we choose Him, & we are counted righteous by his righteousness
Then we all are done 4, All have sinned & fallen short, Claim Perfection to law as a method, then fallen from grace & imply no need for a savior = dead in our sins
Faith-Gods gift to all that hear the gospel, if they don't reject it! By grace saved through faith, not of our selves, a gift of God Were sin abounds grace much more abounds
Not cheap grace,A believer hates his sin. does not cherish known sin
Justification is the root, Sanctification is the fruit
We have a part to play, not striving to have faith, but looking to the faithful 1.
Righteousness = Justification; Justified through the righteousness of Christ.
No 1 can keep the law perfect! Dirty as rags. Law demands perfect thoughts,drives, motive,word, all yr days None of us has this to offer, 1 slip will end us, if not saved by grace, will not be saved.
He became what He was not, so I could become what I am not.
@bryanbeltline >verse u provided can also be Biblically handled Gal6:2.Rom2.Cor3:17<
Agree! Sin is not a act its a attitude, we do nothing thats not in our heart. New Cov. live by the spirit! That is what I have been saying, not the letter on stone but the letter on the heart
A man looks in mirror & sees hair, shaves it off, only an idiot takes the mirror off the wall & shaves with it Condemned by law, but shaved by grace
@bryanbeltline >could u define adultery? without the TC.I cant seem to find out what that is< If u dont know what adultery is, then ur in need of the schoolmaster. We are under the New Cov. I to the law die to the law until u die to the law & live unto Christ as a method of salvation u are lost. Meaning law will not save. Once u have Christ ur no longer under the schoolmaster. Law to lead u to Christ, law good,but we cant keep it, once 1 realizes we are in need of a savor
@bryanbel(could u define adultery?w-out TC.I cant seem to find out what that is)
If u do not know what adultery is, by all means u need the law to find out, Still under the schoolmaster Apparently u dont understand. We are under a new cov. I to the law die to the law so I can live unto Christ until u die to the law & live unto Christ as a method of salvation u are lost. Meaning law can not save, but Christ can! Law to lead us to Him, once we have him we are no longer under the schoolmaster
Why pick up again that which was weak & unable to change our heart, that would be applying an application to the law for which it was not purposed. Law points to Christ, when u come to Christ u don’t need the Mosaic Law for we are clothed in the Righteousness of Christ who fulfilled the Law & the righteous requirement of the Law is fulfilled in us
Christians are under the Law of Christ, the Law of the Spirit.Gal6:2, Rom8:2
Rom7:1-4 If u have union with ur wife but now in a different bed, is it adultery? NO Changing location doesn’t make it adultery.But changing the wife DOES make it adultery. Changing the location from tablets,to the heart, doesn’t make it adultery (Different bed)Changing of Cov's (wives) does make it adultery But importantly it is not adultery if 1 of the partners dies.Thats why we are to die to the Mosaic Cov
He quoted Jesus that at the end will be one Sheppard and one church ...Does that mean that the Sheppard is EGW and the church is the SDA church ? Think about it how arrogant it is to substitute Jesus as a Sheppard and His church with the SDA ,because this is exactly what it is in the mind of the SDA although i know that there are many sincere and willing to obey God people in it.
"But the Bible doesn't teach 'Once saved, Always saved"
Never said that, U can be lost if u take ur eye off Christ, Seems every time I post about grace, a sda will say, agree "but" That says, there focus is more on law & when I say, sin is not a act it's a attitude=we do nothing that is not in our heart sda get all stupid on this & have a fit. That says, OT believers not NT followers
Seems there are 3 groups of sda's,historical, liberal, progressive, so will the real sda please stand up
When our Lord died as our representative, He took our place. In my place He stood, sealed me with His blood Justified is the open door to the temple beautiful He became what He was not, so I could become what I am not. It is not a matter of who you are, but who's u are, the devils or Christ's
Sins of yesterday, today, & tomorrow, I am in Him by faith! I have been crucified with Him, I have been buried w Him (Rom 6:4) I have been raised with him(Col 3:1) Do u believe this?
@game11221 Amen. But the Bible doesn't teach 'Once saved, Always saved' . A saved man can still choose to be lost. Its a decision you make every day to walk with God. in 1 Cor 15;31 Paul says "I die Daily". 1 Cor10;12 reads "Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall" and finally there's Heb 10;26-27 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment"
@StMaule Greek word for justification means not make righteous as we are reformed, but accepted as righteous, declared righteous That is the glory of the gospel Even if I fall, I am accepted in Him Rom 4:8
This is not cheap grace, We have a part to play, not striving to have faith, but looking after the faithful 1 Faith is Gods gift to all that hear the gospel, IF THEY DON"T REJECT IT! So salvation becomes a matter of grace. By grace you are saved through faith
In John 10:28, 29. At first glance, it does seem to guarantee some sort of immunity against spiritual loss, however V27 lays down a specific condition for the fulfillment of the promise. "My sheep hear my voice and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life." It is this hearing and following which provides immunity against being plucked away by the devil or his agents. but not from unfaithfulness of the sheep who might choose not to follow any longer. God give usFree Will
@StMaule Not just a verse. its context & relation & who,where,what,why without false assumptions only to support a doctrine Problem - proof text method & using historic views, doing so leads to many different conclusions. I view all with the cross in mind. Sin is a attitude, whats in the heart, we are sanctified through Christ by faith
Take the cross from the Christian is like blotting the sun out of the ski! We are saved by grace by faith Our Lords blood covers us like a cloud over u all ur days. Long as u keep ur eye on Him u can not be lost. He died for me, He represented for me
Law,law They have not read, I to the law, die to the law, so I may live unto Christ. Until u die to the law & live unto Christ as a method of salvation u are lost
Justification is the root, Sanctification is the fruit
@game11221 True. No one has ever been saved by the Law. All who have been saved in all ages have been saved by grace. This "grace...was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began"2Tim 1:9. The Law only points out sin. Rom3;20 Christ alone can save. Noah "found grace" Gen6;8 Moses found grace (Ex33;17) Abel,Enoch,Abraham etc were saved "by faith" Heb11.The law is necessary because, like a mirror, it reveals the "dirt" in our lives. Without it, people are sinners but are unaware of it Rom7;7
@StMaule There was sin in the world bf the law was given.10c 430yrs after Abram, problem not law its us bc we can't keep it, law -schoolmaster to lead to Christ. New Cov in heart, activated by death of Christ. Sin dark side of our heart, spirit changes by HS by faith =cherish the light & run further from the darkness
Law is like a mirror U shave in, it will show u were the hair is to cut it off, only an idiot will take the mirror off the wall & shave with it(condemned by law & shaved by grace
@game11221 The Law Existed before sin, even in the Garden. In Gen 4;6-10 (long before Moses and MT Sinai) we see God identifying Murder as a Sin (according to 1John 3;4,Sin is breaking Gods Law)- (Ex 20;13 Thou shalt not kill)- (Matt 5;22 being angry with someone for no reason is bad as murder). In Gen 4;6-10 Cain is guilty of all the above. If the Law never existed till Mt Sinai How is Cain guilty?
@StMaule I don't want to assume the 10c were given before Moses, bc of Kane.(he was marked not to be hurt too) When in the NT it says, there was sin in the world before the law was given, then goes on to say 430yrs after Abram,(when) & why it was given. Kane lost or saved thats not my decision. Can u show me in the bible that the 10c was given before Moses
Without assumption, the ver. sin in world bf law given,430yrs,&why, why are we to ignore this & assume other wise
@StMaule Adam-Eve to populate the world, brother slept w sister est. & Abram w maid servant est.. considered adultery right? was allowed. So Was the 10c were given before Moses (break 1 break all. God gave 1 command not to eat from this tree,they did & sin was in the world
Sacrificial system placed bf Moses, a shadow of Christ. Adam est.. sin(there was sin in the world before the law 10c was given. Whats in the heart that acts! God showed his people by the 10c what sin is when He lead them out
@game11221 Actually the Law stating that Bro and Sis should not marry came at Lev18;9 in Moses' Law. Why was Moses' Law Given? Because the children of Israel transgressed God's Law which was around long before Moses' Law Gal 3;19 "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions". There was sin in the world befor the Law was given true. But witch Law? Moses' Law. Rom4;15 "where no law is, there is no transgression". How can one transgress a Law that never existed b4?
Hi bro in Christ! I see ur point. Ur explanation would include- no need for adultery law of 10c bf Moses.Sin in the world bf law-are u assuming which law? Since no scripture stating all the 10c before Moses, then 1 can only assume it was there. Read Gal 3: 17 thru 19. this shows 10c from Moses until the seed, Then a N Cov in our heart Note: law was given bc of transgressions, Sin was before the law was giving, They ate from the tree & sin entered the heart, so law was to show what sin is
@game11221 Its refering to Moses Law in Gal3;19 not the10C. The 10c has always been around since creation. God blessed the 7th day and created the Sabbath Day at creation (b4Sin)Gen2;3. Don't you find it strange that God would here create the 4th commandment by itself then Later on at mt Sinai create the other9? How was it that Joseph knew adultry was a sin Gen39;9 even b4 Mt Sinai? Rom4;15 "where no law is, there is no transgression" or sin. Rom3;20 "By the Law is the knowledge of sin".
Not to sure if I believe Gal. is referring to only Moses law. If so then righteous of the 10c would be by works. & Christ would have died only for the Moses law. if so we are all lost.
Is int true to that God gave Moses those laws aw well, & would also refer to the whole law
When Paul speaks of law & righteous he is referring to all law. & hand written also has the 10c in it to.
So Christ blood covers all sin or only Moses law of sin. It is 1 or both
@game11221 Thats a very good question. But if we compair Gal3;19 with Rom 7;7. basically the Ordinances were given because the Children of israel Transgressed the 10c(Dan9;11). If the 10c never existed then what Law did they transgress? Sin is transgression of (or Breaking) the law (10c) 1John3;4. As a matter of fact that's why Lucifer was kicked out of Heaven isa14;13-14 (He wanted God's position). For breaking the Law Ex20;3,17. The Law that existed before the Earth & man was created.
@StMaule Gal.to me includes the10c, to say different would conclude the cross only covers transgression of M-law & not the 10c. If only M-law 1 would have to be perfect to the 10c all ur days if not we all are done 4 That would conclude salvation by works. Witch Paul speak against. God looks at us through Christ. Justification means righteous same thing. To separate M-law-10c in context of Gal. would say Christ only covers M-law & not 10c but salvation by faith of all sin
Lucifer kicked out of Heaven, not sure when, not saying ur wrong. Some say, at the fall, bf the fall, at the cross est. feel free to tell ur view
As to 10C check out Col2:13-14; Heb8:7-13; 2 Cor3; Gal3 & 4
2 Cor.3 Paul specifically affirms 3 times that the old covenant form of the 10C were in view (vv.7,11,13) U cannot get around the fact that Paul has the TC in view for he mentions the “tablets of stone” & that which “was engraved in letters on stones
@game11221 Based on Rev 12;7-9 Lucifer was cast out after the fall. As for your other Q. Compair Col 2;13-17 with James 2;10-12 Moses Law judged no one v16 & was a "Shadow of things to come" v17 meaning they pointed to the cross. Every Lamb sacrificed represented Jesus. But after the cross this was done with. No more Lambs are sacrificed today. However James 2 shows that the 10c Judges all. Those who break it is guilty. of transgression.
@StM Is Gal.(in context of justification by Christ through faith) speaking of (Torah= whole law=+10c, or Moses law only? If not the whole law than we only take on the righteousness of Christ for the Moses law, that implies we have to be perfect to the 10c all ur days if not we a goner, bc forgiveness by blood would not cover trespasses of the 10c
Read all of Rom's, not by proof text method but w the cross in mind. This is what I have been trying to say all along. Sin is not a act its a attitude
@game11221 As for Heb 8 the answer lies in v7&10 and when compared to Jer31;31this is the 10c. It is the same 10c as before. What has changed here is simply the location. From being written on stone to being written "on the hearts of men". Also compare 2 Cor 3;3. Yes you are right the verses you mentioned all are in referance to the 10C but it is still in effect Matt5;17. Only the Location has changed from Tablets of Stone to The Hearts of Men. *Again I stress we don't keep the Law to be saved
@StMaule Jam2:1 thu 13 is talking about break 1 & not another does not mean u have not broken the whole law, & still remain responsible to be people of grace & mercy.
Mat5:17 is in light After this manner, then, Jesus came to "fulfill" all that had been written concerning himself. "All things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me." (Luke 24:44
Eph2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity,even the law of com contained in ordinances While law was standing,it was easier for heaven & earth to pass away than for1 jot-1 tittle of it to fail Luke16:16 but since the law was fulfilled,it would be easier for heaven & earth to pass away than for 1 jot-1 tittle of the law to become authoritative again.Point- a NC he made, the1st old.Now that which decayeth & waxeth old is ready to vanish away. Heb8:13 is another case of the old
@game11221 Actually Eph 2;15 gives referance to Moses's Law. being an ordinance or ceremonial Law. That is the Law that was nailed to the cross. Infact God and His law have the same Characteristics. eg God is unchangable (James 1;17) The 10C is Unchangable (Matt5;18.) God is Eternal (Gen21;33) the 10C is Eternal (Psa111;7,8) NB the word "Fullfill in Mat5;17 doesn't mean "done away with" Compair it to Mat3;15. Jesus simply Magnified it. Compair ex20;13 to Mat5;21-22 and Ex20;14 to Matt5;27-28.
@StMaule I think all the law was nailed to cross. Something had to die to ratify a new. At the cross N Cov was activated. Not like the old ect..N Cov written on the heart & expanded(even if u hate ur brother or desire another women ect) This time though we have inputted to us the righteousness of Christ by faith who fulfilled the law. Sanctified by faith, to keep N.Cov. Love in our hearts. OC may be the same as NC the is a difference. OC-act. NC-attitude
There's only 2 parties! Either the catholic church, or the 7th day Adventist church. All protestant churches bow to tyhe catholic church's authority...
Now i wonder why all the Protestant Churches are now the Agents of the Roman Catholic Church. When i saw the Ecumenical and Joint Worshipped - i find that Cultic. You cannot pray to Animals and idoltries.
Acts 11:2 And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him, 3 Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them., ......:7 And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat. :8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth. 9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, [that] call not thou common.
@2tires no no no read on, peter says I shouldnt call no MAN common or unclean. This pastor talks about that chapter 2 and explains everything. Your just stopping and not reading everything. and Peter NEVER ate pork in his life(as we know of according to the bible)
@Fakyou321 Acts 11:1 the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God. 2 And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,3 Saying Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them. DIDST EAT. Then goes on to explain how it was ok because he God told him it was ok that it was clean for him to eat. Gentiles eat pork, Peter ate with them. So he defends himself against legalisic Jews.
The new and old covenants are the same. One looked forward to the coming of Jesus. The other looks back at the completed sacrifice. But it's the same covenant. Only the things that pointed forward were done away with(like the feasts and sacrifices). The rest remains. Had the Jews accepted, as a nation, the Messiah, the old testament promises would have been fulfilled, and there would have been continuity of God's chosen people. They didn't, and others were "adopted" as the light bearers..
These are SDA, and they resent being confused with JW and LDS. That's because they are all fringe groups with no popular appeal. Welfare subsidies are generally how these groups obtain new converts. SDA have long forsaken any serious observance of the seventh-day (3ABN even broadcasts 24/7), in favor of proselytizing around their wrongheaded and depressing Adventist beliefs. The "movement" is openly based on the teachings of a false prophet - William Miller. Pass the stones anyone?
@funspooks You will notice that Hebrews which goes into detail about the old covenant says nothing about the 10 commandments. Yet the 10 commandments is seen as the core of the old covenant which is wrong. It was present in the old covenant but was not the basis of it and it is present even in the new. All God's people will keep his commandments. Right or Wrong?
Hebrew author never separated the old covenant. whenever he used the word "law", it included the 613 laws which includes the first 10. And Hebrews xplains that this covenant is obsolete. Gods people will keep the commandents of the covenant in which they are under. in the case of a christian, he is under the New covenant law and not the old covenant. New covenant is much glorious compared to the old one.
@funspooks What do you mean by he never seperated it. Hebrews 8 and 8 clearly discusses both covenants and their differences. Among the differences mentioned the law is not one of them. In fact in the new covenant God promises to write his law on our hearts. Which law is that?
If we are no longer under the 10 commandments then explain Matthew 5:17-20
"Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called LEAST!!! in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
@Jrodmusics Ok let me explain Mat. 5:17.... Romans 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises [made] unto the fathers: He only wanted the message He taught preached to the Jews. Matt. 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matt. 5:17 is for the Jews only. Gal 5:18 ... ye are not under the [10c's] law.
@Jrodmusics Mat. 5:17-20 just like all the "gospels", Mat. Mark Luke and John are prior to the dispensation of grace and apply to only Jews under the law. Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. ...it is written for our LEARNING not doctrine. Those things written aforetime? That means prior to the dispensation of grace when Paul started his ministry.
@2tires If there was no law,then why in the world would Jesus have to die you and I? If there is no law as you say, then there was no purpose in Jesus's death. Jesus is the lamb, and back then when people committed sin, they sacrificed a perfect lamb. God decided that the killing of lambs should stop thus bringing his son Jesus (Whos perfect) to die for our sins so we will not have to sacrifice another animal. We now pray to Jesus that he forgives us for violating the law and because we love Him
@Jrodmusics I didn't say the law never existed. Jesus dies to be a everlasting sacrifice for our sins but at the same time brought about the end of the law according to the apostle Paul. Read Acts 10: 39-48. You believe and receive remission of sins. Notice vs 44 because there was no time to confess sins, they believed and bam they were saved.
@Jrodmusics Yep those are good scriptures. You need to weigh scripture against other scripture tho. You have all those other scriptures written to the Gentiles that make it clear that the Gentiles are not under law and the Jews who were are no longer OF ISRAEL. There is the law of Christ for example that is fulfilled by loving God, believing what his says & loving others. As far as the 10c's, Christ came to fulfill not just those but ALL of the law. You never read of Him telling anyone to ....
@Jrodmusics ...to stop practicing Judism. So, of course, you are going to find Him saying to the Jews"keep the commandments." Tell me where Jesus ever made a divide in the law. Jesus only ministered to Jews. Paul was the chosen vessel to bring the rest of the gospel, which was different to Gentiles and Jew alike, after their temple was destroyed & they could no longer practice Judism mixed with believing on King Jesus.
Read Pauls. Romans - Philemon for his gospel. Rom. 15:16
@2tires That scripture you gave me does not prove your argument. But hear me out on this. You say the 10 commandments are abolished correct? So then does that give me the right to kill a neighbor? Does that give me the right to commit adultery? Does that give me the right to steal? The 10 commandments it like a mirror. When you look in a mirror it shows all the flaws you have. When you compare yourself to the 10 commandments (Law) you see how you have gone against God.....
@2tires ... so you go on and ask God for forgiveness, and for strength to avoid committing that sin (although we are human and are born sinners, by God's help we can always improve but never be perfect). No i think you're going to turn around and tell me that i can't kill, i can't commit adultery, and i cant steal. If i can't do this after all the the 10 commandments are still in effect no? But i think you believe in the 10 commandments. It's just that you want to pick and choose to folow.....
@2tires ...9 of the commandments, but you don't want t o follow the 4th commandment, which states "Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy".. now i just don't see the argument you're making. You're here saying we aren't under the law, but tell me this. What reason is there that God would abolish the 10 commandments? They are simple commandments that have no reason to be abolished. It's not hard to follow. And I would expect that God would want us to follow everything in the commandments. Why not?
@2tires Also, tell me this. Would God condemn me for keeping the 10 commandment? After all, nothing but GOOD comes out if the 10 commandments, so what is wrong with following it? I just don't see you argument.
@Jrodmusics why would God condemn me for keeping the 10c's? He did everything for us in regard to restoring our standing with God the Father. But you don't think it was good enough and so you have to keep the commandment to show yourself approved. But righteousness doesn't come by the law rather by faith. Read Gal. 3 and Gal. 4:21-31.
The bondwoman and her son=the law, the freewoman and her son=freedom from the law.
@Jrodmusics why would God condemn me for keeping the 10c's? He did everything for us in regard to restoring our standing with God the Father. But you don't think it was good enough and so you have to keep the commandment to show yourself approved. But righteousness doefreewoman and her son=freedom from the law. sn't come by the law rather by faith. Read Gal. 3 and Gal. 4:21-31.
@2tires 7th Day Adventists' Don't keep the Law to be saved, they keep the law because they are saved. Why is that? 1 John 2:3 reads "Hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments". True love to God cnnot exist without obedience. 1 john 5;3 reads "This is the love of God, that we keep His Commandments: and His Commandments are not grievous". John 14;23,24 "He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings"
@StMaule If you wanna keep the law because of 1 Jn 2:3 or Jn 14:23-24 or any scripture outside of Paul's writtings you are amiss. Those scriptures not written by Paul are to & for the Jew. Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. In the 10th Chapter Jesus tells the 12 go only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. He came to be a minister to Israel- Rom. 15:8. He came to fulfill the law, Mat. 5:17-19 He taught keeping all law.
@StMaule Jesus never told anyone outside of the apostle Paul not to follow the law. So for you to divide the law & say it was the ceremonial laws only that were nailed to the cross is untrue. Why do you suppose the followers of Jesus are obeying the law thru out Acts? In Chapter 10 Peter is obeying the dietary and separation of Nations laws. Paul is directly taught by Christ so what Paul writes is what Jesus said. He said we are not under law but under grace. It's all the law in Col. 2:14
@StMaule Read Gal. 4:21-31 and 2 Cor. 3:[6] Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
[7] But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
Jesus told Paul we are under grace, the law has been suspended.
@2tires The same Paul who asked in Rom6;1 "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?" in other words does Grace give us a Licence to dissobay God's law? He answers his own question in v2 "God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" Sin is "Breaking God's Commandments" 1John 3;4 If the Commandments are not in effect then what did Christ die for? To put it simply How Can I get a Speeding Ticket if there is No speed Limit?
Wilson, I assume that you misunderstood me. What I said is, the Hebrew author never seperated the old covenant into 10 commandments and some other laws. The distinction is made only between the NEW covenant and the OLD covenant. You said that 10 commandments was not the basis of the old covenant. It sounds funny. Where did you get that? Bible clearly says that 10 commandments is the basis of the old covenant.
thank you so much for this video..Some of my questions that bothered me were explained here.God bless! i hope everyone who have the same questions i had in my mind will see these and make their faith stronger!
Well awsome this video sure says alot to answer all the misconceptions about the Seventh Day Adventist here on youtube and its people like "Bingolly1" and "KingdoMentality" and "ACTS814" that definitely need to see this video. Praise God for the TRUTH its the Truth that shall set us free Praise God.
To all SDAs and Christians. Mr Doug recognized that Ellen White quoted from other documents. Plagiarism means to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own: use (a created production) without crediting the source. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT ELLEN DID. SHE PUT HER NAME ON THE DOCUMENTS; SHE NEVER GAVE CREDIT TO THE ORIGINAL WRITER. Mr Doug is wrong by defending Ellen. The bible tells us to rebuke our brothers when they act wrong. Paul rebuked Peter for acting wrong (Galatians2:11)
belojo2003 3 months ago
@belojo2003 EG White used sources and quoted without credit - yes - but that was perfectly normal in her time. Happens on the internet all the time too.
legacypac 1 month ago
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belojo2003 1 month ago
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@legacypac Well, you don't get it. Copy an idea from someone and pass it as it was given to you by God in vision is what you call normal in her time? She said "I do not write one article in paper, expressing merely my own ideas. They are what God has presented to me in vision...(EGW, Selected Message Book l, pge27)" She did not only plagiarize, but she also misused the Name of Dod. However, instead to rebuke her as Galatians2:11 shows, SDAs put her as the last prophet. What a shame!
belojo2003 1 month ago
@belojo2003 He also said that Jesus quoted from the old testament but did not give credit to Moses or whomever he was quoting just as he mentioned that John did quote from other writers in the new testament. We still say that the book was written by John don't we/ So why is it different with her. If what she quoted was for putting up books which glorify God why do you have a problem with that? Is there any Christian writer who does not quote others?
mayaka70 3 weeks ago
@mayaka70 Yes Jesus and John refered to Moses and scriptures (Mat5:21-42; 8:4; John19:36). But Ellen never refered to an author of her time in which she copied some ideas from them. Instead, she claimed all of her writings came directly from God in vision. She said "I do not write one article in the paper, expressing merely my own ideas, they are what God has opened before me in vision...(Selected Messages Book I, pge.27)"
She misused God's name while being plagiarized. That's the case
belojo2003 3 weeks ago
@belojo2003 I am not an expert in Ellen white, but I recall her saying "this was not given to me in inspiration, this was. Then in that quote you read she is surely talking about what was given to her in vision, not everything.
medusa210562 8 hours ago
@belojo2003 This, about ellen white plagerizing is being discussed at lenth, in some article, for example some historical quotations were obviously plagiarized, same as if I say "the ussr fell in such year, etc etc." In ather words it was too obvious to be a lie. and it was common practice
medusa210562 8 hours ago
God is so good. Thank you pastor. God is using you in an amazing way.!
faap1928 5 months ago
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@faap1928 Jesus and John refered to Moses and scriptures (Mat5:21-42; 8:4; John19:36). But Ellen never refered to an author of her time in which she copied some ideas from. Instead, she claimed all of her writings came directly from God in vision. She said "I do not write one article in the paper, expressing merely my own ideas, they are what God has opened before me in vision...(Selected Messages Book I, pge.27)" She misused God's name. MANY SDAs PASTORS ADMIT IT. DOUG IS WRONG
belojo2003 3 weeks ago
If Jesus is "Michael the Archangel" then why does he say: The LORD rebuke you in Jude 1:9? If he is the LORD, then why is he calling on the LORD? That doesn't make any sense, does it? By the way, ALL the Archangels were called "princes", including Lucifer, he is a "prince" also, so calling Michael a "prince" doesn't prove he is Jesus!
Cherubaby 6 months ago
TO THE REV DUDE ABOUT SODOM AND THE SUFFERING OD ETERNAL FIRE THAT YOU DONT SEE TODAY! WELL DO YOU SEE HELL TODAY? NO AND YOU DO NOT SEE ETERNAL LAKE OF FIRE EITHER! SO YOUR STATEMENT TO IMPRESS ON OTHERS THAT THE LAKE OF FIRE IS NOT ETERNAL TORMENT IS MUTE!! DO YOU SEE ETERNAL LIFE? NO BUT WE SHALL HAVE IT! YOUR COMMON SENSE IS FRIGHTENING!
frenchis19 8 months ago
There is a diffrence between copying and quoting. Quitong me you gave credit to the orginal author. Ellen White does not give credit.
radiomanguy 9 months ago
Just because other faith are welcome in adventistism mean it is scriptually correct
radiomanguy 9 months ago
hell and the lake of fire are two different places : hell is where the physical body and soul that are not saved go and the lake of fire is where after the judgment go and it does not or should not separate us from each other because this issue is not a salvation issue! many issues that people disagree on are not salvation issues: god will finally judge
frenchis19 10 months ago
@frenchis19
We are sanctified by truth (john 17:17) and if that is true then believing something that is not true must do the opposite and if that is so then it becomes a salvation issue. For this reason it is not a good idea to believe Satan's lies that God is some kind of monster who would have people screaming from being tortured in hell fire FOREVER!
THIS IS NOTHING BUT THE FILTHY DOCTRINE OF DEMONS!!!
eaglesbow 10 months ago
@eaglesbow JESUS SAID WE SHALL NEVER DIE CORRECT? AND HE ALSO SAID THERE WERE THOSE WHO WERE ALIVE BUT WERE DEAD CORRECT? SO HOW IS IT SO UNBELIEVABLE TO THINK THERE IS NO FIRE THAT BURNS FOREVER? DONT SAY YOU DONT KNOW CAUSE YOU SURE AS HELL DO NOT KNOW JUST BY LISTENING TO YOUR LOGIC!!!! IF JESUS SAID IT IS ETERNAL FORE , THEN IT IS ETERNAL FIRE : DEMONS WOULD LIKE US TO BELIEVE THERE IS NO HELL FIRE IT WOULD SEEN TO ME: THEN WE COULD LIVE LIKE HELL AND JUST DIE!!!YOU ARE WRONG PERIOD
frenchis19 9 months ago
@frenchis19
Firstly, my friend, the Bible defines hell as an EVENT and not a place. "The fire shall burn them up leaving neither root nor branch" Mal 4:1 This has nothing to do with my logic it is just plain scripture!!
eaglesbow 9 months ago
@eaglesbow like i said demons would rather you think there is no place for a lost soul .
frenchis19 9 months ago
@Lightning211167
Yes, and if I might add, it is the effects of the fire that is eternal and not the fire. Jude 1:7 tells us that Sodom and Gomorrah suffered the vengeance of eternal fire but we don't see the fire burning today do we?
rev2214 8 months ago
@frenchis19
On the contrary, demons would love for you to believe that God is a monster like Satan. Only a fiend would think it was justice to roast people forever in hell for all eternity for sins committed in just one lifetime.
When God tells us that He will bring Satan to ASHES upon the earth what's so hard to understand about that?
eaglesbow 7 months ago
@frenchis19 The devil said "you shall not die" Jesus said the "wages of sin is death" eternal death in the eternal fire not living forever in a eternal fire!
Lightning211167 8 months ago
In the BIBLE it states that everyone will be judge according 2 His Works Rev 20 10 The devil, who deceived them,...... 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God,and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were JUDGED ACCORDING to THEIR WORKS, by the things which were written in the books. 13 "...And they were judged, EACH 1 ACCORDING to HIS WORKS. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
oyefollowerofJesus 10 months ago
Who ever does not obey Gods Commandments it does not matter if you keep the Sabbath however you steal or lie or etc you will receive the Mark of the Beast bcuz those characteristics is not of God but of the devil Sin enters through the pride of life, lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes. The 3 angels message will be presented to everyone if you love God you will obey Him & not your selfish needs or to a pastor who teach to rebel against God the 10 Commandments was establish be4 Moses Love
oyefollowerofJesus 10 months ago
@bryanbeltline Ezek.23:37 That they have committed adultery, and blood is in their hands, and with their idols have they committed adultery, and have also caused their sons, whom they bare unto me, to pass for them through the fire, to devour them.
There is no mention of the 10c's here but adultery is also serving other gods. A god could be money. You can't serve mammon and God. So the love of money can be adultery. I keep hearing a fairly new phrase, " financial infidelity." (it = adultery)
2tires 11 months ago
@bryanbeltline Never said 1 should not do good works! But works will not save! Once 1 except Christ, u want to do good works(fruit of the spirit) Not because ur trying to be save, but because u are saved. its also faith that works.
As to James 2:17 read all for context! deeds of love. If u claim faith but have no love. So again its whats in our heart, we do nothing that is not in our heart, be it bad or good. This is not implying to the tc per-say but of love. that is shown through us
game11221 11 months ago
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@brya 1 can come to Him be it bad or not so bad, u dont understanding means ur mind u have to be good before u come to Christ. if u didnt use proof text thing w what I said & & used context u would see what I said does not imply to ur interpretation to what I said
Was the thief on the cross saved
Now answer! Do u believe u are sinless? Are u saved if u don't reach this sinless state?
Dont answer, I already know ur true belief on this do to ur comments
To U a free gift is something U buy
game11221 11 months ago
@bryanbeltline (remnant might be small)Never mentioned anything about the remnant
(don't have to be good to be saved just listen to yourself) quote the rest(u have to be saved to be good) U just don't get it. but I understand u, u really believe saved by works
(words to fit) No, I like context. U manipulate the gospel bc u hold to old cov, & don't understand the new
Can u reach this state of sinless? Do u believe u are sinless? Are u saved if u don't reach this sinless state?
game11221 11 months ago
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game11221 11 months ago
@bryanbeltline Come as u are! The moment u believe in Christ u are excepted in the beloved, As long as u keep ur eye on Him u can not be lost.U are counted Righteous by the merits of Christ that is imputed to u by faith. As u live in the spirit (NC)(free women) bc u belong to Christ (u were bought by a price) heart changes (Sanctified) produce good fruit. Freedom of choice to except Gods free gift, u will receive as long as u don't reject it. Sin is ur enemy, Christ is ur friend
game11221 1 year ago
@bryanbeltlin
U don't have to be good to be saved, thinking if ur good enough then God will love me, God loves u even if u are not good & if you believe it u will become good. U have to be saved to be good, By faith saved! Then sanctified because of faith u become good. Justification is the root=Christ merits, Sanctification is the fruit Not trying to keep the law to be saved but, because u are saved. Acceptance of Gods free Gift, given by the blood of Christ, if u dont reject it
God Bless
game11221 1 year ago
@bryan proof text method out of context is dangerous.To search 4 single text through out the bible to establish a doctrine-theology, then take these text out of context, u will most likely arrive w the wrong theology & doing so is a manipulation of the context
Do u believe u are sinless? Can u reach this state of sinless? Are u saved if u don't reach this sinless state? What if u slip once in thought or word & did not realize u just sinned, & did not repent of it, according to u, ur done 4
game11221 1 year ago
if we say,WE keep the tc. person who says such things has just bc prideful, of the flesh, such statements indicates 1 doesn’t understand the purpose of the law nor its full implications. Thats why by Grace we have been saved. The righteous requirement of the law is fulfilled IN us BY Christ through Faith & his Grace. TC can change the external appearance of man (being external righteousness) but the Grace of God by HIS Spirit changes man from the inside out.
game11221 1 year ago
@bryanbeltline ur saying saved by grace, kept by works. Sins forgiven we u come in, then its up to u to keep law perfect. Law of God requires Perfect in thought,motive,desire,word all ur days, 1 slip ur a goner. So ur really saying saved by law. Many things we offend if not saved by grace we wont be saved none of us.
until u put all faith in Christ as a method of salvation u are lost. Law is good,but we cant kept it perfectly all have fallen short, the letter kills
game11221 1 year ago
@bryanbeltline Justification is the root, sanctification is the fruit but never the root.
Without context, 1 could make the bible say anything just by proof text method.That is not good hermeneutics
Imputed righteousness by the merits of Christ given by faith. A gift from God if u don't reject it. NC The spirit sanctifies also by faith. Its whats in ur heart. Christ in heart 1 loose desire to sin. Sin is not a act its a attitude, we do nothing that is not in our heart
game11221 1 year ago
@bryanbeltline Well ...trying to follow you and the discussion here..i guess than the main problem is that everybody has different definition of the Gospel.
What is your version of it ? Can you put it in a few simple words ?
Do you keep perfectly God's law ? Would you be brave enough to make the bold statement here that you don't sin anymore since you mentioned "the obligation of keeping God's holy Law"?
Thank you!
VESANG 1 year ago
@brya As to I John 2:3,4, ur interpretation is once u claim belief, then if u break 1 precept of the OC(bond women)in thought,motive,desire,word, just 1, then u don't believe
What a travesty & damming theology. Salvation by law & have fallen from grace. bc not putting faith in Christ that He died 4 u, not putting trust in Him, but putting trust in ur self
We are worse then expected, He is better then we can imagine
How can He save u if u don't trust in Him - imputation of the merits of Christ
game11221 1 year ago
@bryanbeltline game11221 made a great biblical points!I am SDA member but i find that in many cases we got locked in our definitions to the point of denying even the authority of the Bible.When we talk about the Law the first and the last in our mind are the 10 comm.Defining SIN with it with our wicked minds is very limited and primitive.Simple Q to express what i mean:Is polygamy a sin? Where is it in the 10 comm?
The law of God: 1JOHN 3:23 , 1JOHN 3:14,15 , 1JOHN 4:11,12 ,4:7,8
VESANG 1 year ago
@bryanbeltline I John 2:3,4..yep, context, context... Note: does not mean that only those who never disobey know God,but simply refers to those whose lives are generally characterized by obedience.
Read all of GAL. & all of Rom. not proof text method but in light of total context.
Simple, if u claim to believe & go out & sin freely like ya I believe so have a license to sin, than u really don't believe. A true believe hates his sin! His attitude (heart ) changes-repents ect. not perfection
game11221 1 year ago
@bryanbeltline hall we continue in sin that grace may abound?..God forbid..(Romans 6:1,2)
Nice twist! Again ur saying be perfect to law to receive grace. If ur perfect to law then u would not need grace!
I am not perfect to the law, I am a sinner and hate that I am! I thank God for the cross, that He give His son & He loves me! We have salvation through Christ (free women) Does not mean I should take advantage - law breaking, that would put me back under the bond women
game11221 1 year ago
@bryanbeltline Sounds like u are saying, u better be perfect to the law,all ur days if not ur done 4.
If that is true,then the law saves u
I am saying, saved by grace through faith alone, sanctified by faith alone is a gift of God. The spirit (NEW Cov) in ur heart, that changes u bc u excepted Him (chose to) not trying to keep the law to be saved, keeping it because ur saved. U don't have to be good to be saved, but u have to be saved to be good! Old cov of the flesh, new of the spirit
game11221 1 year ago
@bryanbeltline selling indulgences
Thats the problem,some feel 1s they come in there sins are forgiven. then they have to roll up there sleeves & get right w God, thinking they can reach such a sanctification, yet 1 slip ur a goner! If ur not saved by grace u will not be saved!
Spirit of God walk contrary to His own law> That why we have a savior, we are justified & sanctified by faith. By spirit we changeby faith, bc we choose Him, & we are counted righteous by his righteousness
game11221 1 year ago
@brya >sinners don't go to heaven<
Then we all are done 4, All have sinned & fallen short, Claim Perfection to law as a method, then fallen from grace & imply no need for a savior = dead in our sins
Faith-Gods gift to all that hear the gospel, if they don't reject it! By grace saved through faith, not of our selves, a gift of God Were sin abounds grace much more abounds
Not cheap grace,A believer hates his sin. does not cherish known sin
Justification is the root, Sanctification is the fruit
game11221 1 year ago
Sins of yesterday, today & tomorrow, In Him by faith! Crucified, Buried,Raised w Him(R6:4Col3:1
Justification means not make righteous as reformed, but accepted as righteous,declared righteous. Glory of the gospel! Insurance - internal life
I'm accepted in Him Rom4:8
When our Lord died - our representative He took our place. Sealed me w His blood. Justified is the open door to the temple beautiful
Forgiveness= acquittal, I will count u as u never sinned
Imputation of the merits of Christ
game11221 1 year ago
@bryanbeltline
We have a part to play, not striving to have faith, but looking to the faithful 1.
Righteousness = Justification; Justified through the righteousness of Christ.
No 1 can keep the law perfect! Dirty as rags. Law demands perfect thoughts,drives, motive,word, all yr days None of us has this to offer, 1 slip will end us, if not saved by grace, will not be saved.
He became what He was not, so I could become what I am not.
It is not a matter of who u are, but who's u are
game11221 1 year ago
@bryanbeltline >verse u provided can also be Biblically handled Gal6:2.Rom2.Cor3:17<
Agree! Sin is not a act its a attitude, we do nothing thats not in our heart. New Cov. live by the spirit! That is what I have been saying, not the letter on stone but the letter on the heart
A man looks in mirror & sees hair, shaves it off, only an idiot takes the mirror off the wall & shaves with it Condemned by law, but shaved by grace
Saved by grace by faith alone&Sanctified by faith
game11221 1 year ago
@bryanbeltline >could u define adultery? without the TC.I cant seem to find out what that is< If u dont know what adultery is, then ur in need of the schoolmaster. We are under the New Cov. I to the law die to the law until u die to the law & live unto Christ as a method of salvation u are lost. Meaning law will not save. Once u have Christ ur no longer under the schoolmaster. Law to lead u to Christ, law good,but we cant keep it, once 1 realizes we are in need of a savor
game11221 1 year ago
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@bryanbel(could u define adultery?w-out TC.I cant seem to find out what that is)
If u do not know what adultery is, by all means u need the law to find out, Still under the schoolmaster Apparently u dont understand. We are under a new cov. I to the law die to the law so I can live unto Christ until u die to the law & live unto Christ as a method of salvation u are lost. Meaning law can not save, but Christ can! Law to lead us to Him, once we have him we are no longer under the schoolmaster
game11221 1 year ago
Bible- Law was ADDED because of transgressions. Then it was added Gal3:19
Bible- law made sin abound. Then that is what it does Rom5:20
Bible- law makes known to us what sin is. Then it is so Rom7:7
Bible- law is in charge to bring people to Christ. Then that is what it does Gal3:24
Bible- law is NOT for the righteous, then it is indeed so.1Tim1:8
Bible- law leaves us helpless in need of a Savior. It is so Rom8:2-3
Bible-law brings death, then that is what it does Rom8:2&2Cor3:7
game11221 1 year ago
Bible- law is put aside "IN CHRIST" thats what happens 2Cor3:14
Bible- we are to cast out the bondwoman 10 C then it is to be done Gal4:30
Bible- after faith u are not under the law, then it is so Gal3:25
Bible- Christian’s - dead to the law, thats what u are Rom7:4
Bible- Christ - end of the Law for Believers. Its so Rom10:4
Bible- law was added UNTIL Christ. its so Gal3:19
Bible- righteous requirement of law is fulfilled in me through Christ, its so
Do we ? the Bibles authority?
game11221 1 year ago
Why pick up again that which was weak & unable to change our heart, that would be applying an application to the law for which it was not purposed. Law points to Christ, when u come to Christ u don’t need the Mosaic Law for we are clothed in the Righteousness of Christ who fulfilled the Law & the righteous requirement of the Law is fulfilled in us
Christians are under the Law of Christ, the Law of the Spirit.Gal6:2, Rom8:2
Spirit? 2 Cor3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit
game11221 1 year ago
Rom7:1-4 If u have union with ur wife but now in a different bed, is it adultery? NO Changing location doesn’t make it adultery.But changing the wife DOES make it adultery. Changing the location from tablets,to the heart, doesn’t make it adultery (Different bed)Changing of Cov's (wives) does make it adultery But importantly it is not adultery if 1 of the partners dies.Thats why we are to die to the Mosaic Cov
game11221 1 year ago
He quoted Jesus that at the end will be one Sheppard and one church ...Does that mean that the Sheppard is EGW and the church is the SDA church ? Think about it how arrogant it is to substitute Jesus as a Sheppard and His church with the SDA ,because this is exactly what it is in the mind of the SDA although i know that there are many sincere and willing to obey God people in it.
VESANG 1 year ago
Matthew11;15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
goto amazingfactsDOTorg.
Then goto "Free Stuff" ---->"Bible Studies"----->" Study Guides"
StMaule 1 year ago
"But the Bible doesn't teach 'Once saved, Always saved"
Never said that, U can be lost if u take ur eye off Christ, Seems every time I post about grace, a sda will say, agree "but" That says, there focus is more on law & when I say, sin is not a act it's a attitude=we do nothing that is not in our heart sda get all stupid on this & have a fit. That says, OT believers not NT followers
Seems there are 3 groups of sda's,historical, liberal, progressive, so will the real sda please stand up
game11221 1 year ago
When our Lord died as our representative, He took our place. In my place He stood, sealed me with His blood Justified is the open door to the temple beautiful He became what He was not, so I could become what I am not. It is not a matter of who you are, but who's u are, the devils or Christ's
Sins of yesterday, today, & tomorrow, I am in Him by faith! I have been crucified with Him, I have been buried w Him (Rom 6:4) I have been raised with him(Col 3:1) Do u believe this?
Can I get an Amen
game11221 1 year ago
@game11221 Amen. But the Bible doesn't teach 'Once saved, Always saved' . A saved man can still choose to be lost. Its a decision you make every day to walk with God. in 1 Cor 15;31 Paul says "I die Daily". 1 Cor10;12 reads "Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall" and finally there's Heb 10;26-27 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment"
StMaule 1 year ago
@StMaule Greek word for justification means not make righteous as we are reformed, but accepted as righteous, declared righteous That is the glory of the gospel Even if I fall, I am accepted in Him Rom 4:8
This is not cheap grace, We have a part to play, not striving to have faith, but looking after the faithful 1 Faith is Gods gift to all that hear the gospel, IF THEY DON"T REJECT IT! So salvation becomes a matter of grace. By grace you are saved through faith
game11221 1 year ago
In John 10:28, 29. At first glance, it does seem to guarantee some sort of immunity against spiritual loss, however V27 lays down a specific condition for the fulfillment of the promise. "My sheep hear my voice and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life." It is this hearing and following which provides immunity against being plucked away by the devil or his agents. but not from unfaithfulness of the sheep who might choose not to follow any longer. God give usFree Will
StMaule 1 year ago
@StMaule Not just a verse. its context & relation & who,where,what,why without false assumptions only to support a doctrine Problem - proof text method & using historic views, doing so leads to many different conclusions. I view all with the cross in mind. Sin is a attitude, whats in the heart, we are sanctified through Christ by faith
game11221 1 year ago
Take the cross from the Christian is like blotting the sun out of the ski! We are saved by grace by faith Our Lords blood covers us like a cloud over u all ur days. Long as u keep ur eye on Him u can not be lost. He died for me, He represented for me
Law,law They have not read, I to the law, die to the law, so I may live unto Christ. Until u die to the law & live unto Christ as a method of salvation u are lost
Justification is the root, Sanctification is the fruit
sin not a act its attitude
game11221 1 year ago
@game11221 True. No one has ever been saved by the Law. All who have been saved in all ages have been saved by grace. This "grace...was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began"2Tim 1:9. The Law only points out sin. Rom3;20 Christ alone can save. Noah "found grace" Gen6;8 Moses found grace (Ex33;17) Abel,Enoch,Abraham etc were saved "by faith" Heb11.The law is necessary because, like a mirror, it reveals the "dirt" in our lives. Without it, people are sinners but are unaware of it Rom7;7
StMaule 1 year ago
@StMaule There was sin in the world bf the law was given.10c 430yrs after Abram, problem not law its us bc we can't keep it, law -schoolmaster to lead to Christ. New Cov in heart, activated by death of Christ. Sin dark side of our heart, spirit changes by HS by faith =cherish the light & run further from the darkness
Law is like a mirror U shave in, it will show u were the hair is to cut it off, only an idiot will take the mirror off the wall & shave with it(condemned by law & shaved by grace
game11221 1 year ago
@game11221 The Law Existed before sin, even in the Garden. In Gen 4;6-10 (long before Moses and MT Sinai) we see God identifying Murder as a Sin (according to 1John 3;4,Sin is breaking Gods Law)- (Ex 20;13 Thou shalt not kill)- (Matt 5;22 being angry with someone for no reason is bad as murder). In Gen 4;6-10 Cain is guilty of all the above. If the Law never existed till Mt Sinai How is Cain guilty?
StMaule 1 year ago
@StMaule I don't want to assume the 10c were given before Moses, bc of Kane.(he was marked not to be hurt too) When in the NT it says, there was sin in the world before the law was given, then goes on to say 430yrs after Abram,(when) & why it was given. Kane lost or saved thats not my decision. Can u show me in the bible that the 10c was given before Moses
Without assumption, the ver. sin in world bf law given,430yrs,&why, why are we to ignore this & assume other wise
game11221 1 year ago
@StMaule Adam-Eve to populate the world, brother slept w sister est. & Abram w maid servant est.. considered adultery right? was allowed. So Was the 10c were given before Moses (break 1 break all. God gave 1 command not to eat from this tree,they did & sin was in the world
Sacrificial system placed bf Moses, a shadow of Christ. Adam est.. sin(there was sin in the world before the law 10c was given. Whats in the heart that acts! God showed his people by the 10c what sin is when He lead them out
game11221 1 year ago
@game11221 Actually the Law stating that Bro and Sis should not marry came at Lev18;9 in Moses' Law. Why was Moses' Law Given? Because the children of Israel transgressed God's Law which was around long before Moses' Law Gal 3;19 "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions". There was sin in the world befor the Law was given true. But witch Law? Moses' Law. Rom4;15 "where no law is, there is no transgression". How can one transgress a Law that never existed b4?
StMaule 1 year ago
Hi bro in Christ! I see ur point. Ur explanation would include- no need for adultery law of 10c bf Moses.Sin in the world bf law-are u assuming which law? Since no scripture stating all the 10c before Moses, then 1 can only assume it was there. Read Gal 3: 17 thru 19. this shows 10c from Moses until the seed, Then a N Cov in our heart Note: law was given bc of transgressions, Sin was before the law was giving, They ate from the tree & sin entered the heart, so law was to show what sin is
game11221 1 year ago
@game11221 Its refering to Moses Law in Gal3;19 not the10C. The 10c has always been around since creation. God blessed the 7th day and created the Sabbath Day at creation (b4Sin)Gen2;3. Don't you find it strange that God would here create the 4th commandment by itself then Later on at mt Sinai create the other9? How was it that Joseph knew adultry was a sin Gen39;9 even b4 Mt Sinai? Rom4;15 "where no law is, there is no transgression" or sin. Rom3;20 "By the Law is the knowledge of sin".
StMaule 1 year ago
@StMaule Good point! w-Joseph
Not to sure if I believe Gal. is referring to only Moses law. If so then righteous of the 10c would be by works. & Christ would have died only for the Moses law. if so we are all lost.
Is int true to that God gave Moses those laws aw well, & would also refer to the whole law
When Paul speaks of law & righteous he is referring to all law. & hand written also has the 10c in it to.
So Christ blood covers all sin or only Moses law of sin. It is 1 or both
game11221 1 year ago
@game11221 Thats a very good question. But if we compair Gal3;19 with Rom 7;7. basically the Ordinances were given because the Children of israel Transgressed the 10c(Dan9;11). If the 10c never existed then what Law did they transgress? Sin is transgression of (or Breaking) the law (10c) 1John3;4. As a matter of fact that's why Lucifer was kicked out of Heaven isa14;13-14 (He wanted God's position). For breaking the Law Ex20;3,17. The Law that existed before the Earth & man was created.
StMaule 1 year ago
@StMaule Gal.to me includes the10c, to say different would conclude the cross only covers transgression of M-law & not the 10c. If only M-law 1 would have to be perfect to the 10c all ur days if not we all are done 4 That would conclude salvation by works. Witch Paul speak against. God looks at us through Christ. Justification means righteous same thing. To separate M-law-10c in context of Gal. would say Christ only covers M-law & not 10c but salvation by faith of all sin
game11221 1 year ago
@StMaule
Lucifer kicked out of Heaven, not sure when, not saying ur wrong. Some say, at the fall, bf the fall, at the cross est. feel free to tell ur view
As to 10C check out Col2:13-14; Heb8:7-13; 2 Cor3; Gal3 & 4
2 Cor.3 Paul specifically affirms 3 times that the old covenant form of the 10C were in view (vv.7,11,13) U cannot get around the fact that Paul has the TC in view for he mentions the “tablets of stone” & that which “was engraved in letters on stones
God bless U, brother in Christ
game11221 1 year ago
@game11221 Based on Rev 12;7-9 Lucifer was cast out after the fall. As for your other Q. Compair Col 2;13-17 with James 2;10-12 Moses Law judged no one v16 & was a "Shadow of things to come" v17 meaning they pointed to the cross. Every Lamb sacrificed represented Jesus. But after the cross this was done with. No more Lambs are sacrificed today. However James 2 shows that the 10c Judges all. Those who break it is guilty. of transgression.
StMaule 1 year ago
@StM Is Gal.(in context of justification by Christ through faith) speaking of (Torah= whole law=+10c, or Moses law only? If not the whole law than we only take on the righteousness of Christ for the Moses law, that implies we have to be perfect to the 10c all ur days if not we a goner, bc forgiveness by blood would not cover trespasses of the 10c
Read all of Rom's, not by proof text method but w the cross in mind. This is what I have been trying to say all along. Sin is not a act its a attitude
game11221 1 year ago
@game11221 As for Heb 8 the answer lies in v7&10 and when compared to Jer31;31this is the 10c. It is the same 10c as before. What has changed here is simply the location. From being written on stone to being written "on the hearts of men". Also compare 2 Cor 3;3. Yes you are right the verses you mentioned all are in referance to the 10C but it is still in effect Matt5;17. Only the Location has changed from Tablets of Stone to The Hearts of Men. *Again I stress we don't keep the Law to be saved
StMaule 1 year ago
@StMaule Jam2:1 thu 13 is talking about break 1 & not another does not mean u have not broken the whole law, & still remain responsible to be people of grace & mercy.
Mat5:17 is in light After this manner, then, Jesus came to "fulfill" all that had been written concerning himself. "All things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me." (Luke 24:44
game11221 1 year ago
& to Mat5:17
Eph2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity,even the law of com contained in ordinances While law was standing,it was easier for heaven & earth to pass away than for1 jot-1 tittle of it to fail Luke16:16 but since the law was fulfilled,it would be easier for heaven & earth to pass away than for 1 jot-1 tittle of the law to become authoritative again.Point- a NC he made, the1st old.Now that which decayeth & waxeth old is ready to vanish away. Heb8:13 is another case of the old
game11221 1 year ago
@game11221 Actually Eph 2;15 gives referance to Moses's Law. being an ordinance or ceremonial Law. That is the Law that was nailed to the cross. Infact God and His law have the same Characteristics. eg God is unchangable (James 1;17) The 10C is Unchangable (Matt5;18.) God is Eternal (Gen21;33) the 10C is Eternal (Psa111;7,8) NB the word "Fullfill in Mat5;17 doesn't mean "done away with" Compair it to Mat3;15. Jesus simply Magnified it. Compair ex20;13 to Mat5;21-22 and Ex20;14 to Matt5;27-28.
StMaule 1 year ago
@StMaule I think all the law was nailed to cross. Something had to die to ratify a new. At the cross N Cov was activated. Not like the old ect..N Cov written on the heart & expanded(even if u hate ur brother or desire another women ect) This time though we have inputted to us the righteousness of Christ by faith who fulfilled the law. Sanctified by faith, to keep N.Cov. Love in our hearts. OC may be the same as NC the is a difference. OC-act. NC-attitude
game11221 1 year ago
where does SDA get its authority from
williemetoyer23 1 year ago
There's only 2 parties! Either the catholic church, or the 7th day Adventist church. All protestant churches bow to tyhe catholic church's authority...
EndTimeDelusion1 1 year ago
@EndTimeDelusion1
Now i wonder why all the Protestant Churches are now the Agents of the Roman Catholic Church. When i saw the Ecumenical and Joint Worshipped - i find that Cultic. You cannot pray to Animals and idoltries.
MDIS 1 year ago
The SDA Church is the only Church on the planet that is not ecumenical.
EndTimeDelusion1 1 year ago
Acts 11:2 And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him, 3 Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them., ......:7 And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat. :8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth. 9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, [that] call not thou common.
If Peter eats pork it can't be bad.
2tires 1 year ago
@2tires no no no read on, peter says I shouldnt call no MAN common or unclean. This pastor talks about that chapter 2 and explains everything. Your just stopping and not reading everything. and Peter NEVER ate pork in his life(as we know of according to the bible)
Fakyou321 1 year ago
@Fakyou321 Acts 11:1 the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God. 2 And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,3 Saying Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them. DIDST EAT. Then goes on to explain how it was ok because he God told him it was ok that it was clean for him to eat. Gentiles eat pork, Peter ate with them. So he defends himself against legalisic Jews.
2tires 1 year ago
Amen i like this
Amezz55 1 year ago
The new and old covenants are the same. One looked forward to the coming of Jesus. The other looks back at the completed sacrifice. But it's the same covenant. Only the things that pointed forward were done away with(like the feasts and sacrifices). The rest remains. Had the Jews accepted, as a nation, the Messiah, the old testament promises would have been fulfilled, and there would have been continuity of God's chosen people. They didn't, and others were "adopted" as the light bearers..
xymonau 1 year ago
Well Ellen White flew around Jupiter spreaking about aliens
martlut 1 year ago
These are SDA, and they resent being confused with JW and LDS. That's because they are all fringe groups with no popular appeal. Welfare subsidies are generally how these groups obtain new converts. SDA have long forsaken any serious observance of the seventh-day (3ABN even broadcasts 24/7), in favor of proselytizing around their wrongheaded and depressing Adventist beliefs. The "movement" is openly based on the teachings of a false prophet - William Miller. Pass the stones anyone?
u920003 2 years ago
I am not a Seventh Day Aventist... I liked the way this pastor loves GOD... Definitely he is a good christian....
But I am sorry to see that even he is under the deception that we are under the 10 commandents like other christian sects
funspooks 2 years ago
Why do you believe that we no longer need to keep the 10 commandments, if you don't mind me asking?
louised 2 years ago
The reason is that Bible says in Galatians and in Hebrews that we are not under the old covenant ,which includes the 10 commandments.
funspooks 2 years ago
@funspooks You will notice that Hebrews which goes into detail about the old covenant says nothing about the 10 commandments. Yet the 10 commandments is seen as the core of the old covenant which is wrong. It was present in the old covenant but was not the basis of it and it is present even in the new. All God's people will keep his commandments. Right or Wrong?
wilsonsmanz 2 years ago
Hebrew author never separated the old covenant. whenever he used the word "law", it included the 613 laws which includes the first 10. And Hebrews xplains that this covenant is obsolete. Gods people will keep the commandents of the covenant in which they are under. in the case of a christian, he is under the New covenant law and not the old covenant. New covenant is much glorious compared to the old one.
funspooks 2 years ago
@funspooks What do you mean by he never seperated it. Hebrews 8 and 8 clearly discusses both covenants and their differences. Among the differences mentioned the law is not one of them. In fact in the new covenant God promises to write his law on our hearts. Which law is that?
wilsonsmanz 2 years ago
If we are no longer under the 10 commandments then explain Matthew 5:17-20
"Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called LEAST!!! in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Jrodmusics 2 years ago
@Jrodmusics
Whose commanding people to break the commandments?
MyHopeisJesusChrist 1 year ago
@Jrodmusics Ok let me explain Mat. 5:17.... Romans 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises [made] unto the fathers: He only wanted the message He taught preached to the Jews. Matt. 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matt. 5:17 is for the Jews only. Gal 5:18 ... ye are not under the [10c's] law.
2tires 1 year ago
@Jrodmusics Mat. 5:17-20 just like all the "gospels", Mat. Mark Luke and John are prior to the dispensation of grace and apply to only Jews under the law. Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. ...it is written for our LEARNING not doctrine. Those things written aforetime? That means prior to the dispensation of grace when Paul started his ministry.
2tires 1 year ago
@2tires If there was no law,then why in the world would Jesus have to die you and I? If there is no law as you say, then there was no purpose in Jesus's death. Jesus is the lamb, and back then when people committed sin, they sacrificed a perfect lamb. God decided that the killing of lambs should stop thus bringing his son Jesus (Whos perfect) to die for our sins so we will not have to sacrifice another animal. We now pray to Jesus that he forgives us for violating the law and because we love Him
Jrodmusics 1 year ago
@Jrodmusics I didn't say the law never existed. Jesus dies to be a everlasting sacrifice for our sins but at the same time brought about the end of the law according to the apostle Paul. Read Acts 10: 39-48. You believe and receive remission of sins. Notice vs 44 because there was no time to confess sins, they believed and bam they were saved.
It is not what your church told you, was it?
2tires 1 year ago
@2tires Ok, Read Matthew 22: 34-40, Then read romans 13:8-10. Jesus is telling us the commandments are still in effect
Jrodmusics 1 year ago
@Jrodmusics Yep those are good scriptures. You need to weigh scripture against other scripture tho. You have all those other scriptures written to the Gentiles that make it clear that the Gentiles are not under law and the Jews who were are no longer OF ISRAEL. There is the law of Christ for example that is fulfilled by loving God, believing what his says & loving others. As far as the 10c's, Christ came to fulfill not just those but ALL of the law. You never read of Him telling anyone to ....
2tires 1 year ago
@Jrodmusics ...to stop practicing Judism. So, of course, you are going to find Him saying to the Jews"keep the commandments." Tell me where Jesus ever made a divide in the law. Jesus only ministered to Jews. Paul was the chosen vessel to bring the rest of the gospel, which was different to Gentiles and Jew alike, after their temple was destroyed & they could no longer practice Judism mixed with believing on King Jesus.
Read Pauls. Romans - Philemon for his gospel. Rom. 15:16
2tires 1 year ago
@2tires That scripture you gave me does not prove your argument. But hear me out on this. You say the 10 commandments are abolished correct? So then does that give me the right to kill a neighbor? Does that give me the right to commit adultery? Does that give me the right to steal? The 10 commandments it like a mirror. When you look in a mirror it shows all the flaws you have. When you compare yourself to the 10 commandments (Law) you see how you have gone against God.....
Jrodmusics 1 year ago
@2tires ... so you go on and ask God for forgiveness, and for strength to avoid committing that sin (although we are human and are born sinners, by God's help we can always improve but never be perfect). No i think you're going to turn around and tell me that i can't kill, i can't commit adultery, and i cant steal. If i can't do this after all the the 10 commandments are still in effect no? But i think you believe in the 10 commandments. It's just that you want to pick and choose to folow.....
Jrodmusics 1 year ago
@2tires ...9 of the commandments, but you don't want t o follow the 4th commandment, which states "Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy".. now i just don't see the argument you're making. You're here saying we aren't under the law, but tell me this. What reason is there that God would abolish the 10 commandments? They are simple commandments that have no reason to be abolished. It's not hard to follow. And I would expect that God would want us to follow everything in the commandments. Why not?
Jrodmusics 1 year ago
@2tires Also, tell me this. Would God condemn me for keeping the 10 commandment? After all, nothing but GOOD comes out if the 10 commandments, so what is wrong with following it? I just don't see you argument.
Jrodmusics 1 year ago
@Jrodmusics why would God condemn me for keeping the 10c's? He did everything for us in regard to restoring our standing with God the Father. But you don't think it was good enough and so you have to keep the commandment to show yourself approved. But righteousness doesn't come by the law rather by faith. Read Gal. 3 and Gal. 4:21-31.
The bondwoman and her son=the law, the freewoman and her son=freedom from the law.
2tires 1 year ago
@Jrodmusics why would God condemn me for keeping the 10c's? He did everything for us in regard to restoring our standing with God the Father. But you don't think it was good enough and so you have to keep the commandment to show yourself approved. But righteousness doefreewoman and her son=freedom from the law. sn't come by the law rather by faith. Read Gal. 3 and Gal. 4:21-31.
The bondwoman and her son=the law, the
2tires 1 year ago
@2tires 7th Day Adventists' Don't keep the Law to be saved, they keep the law because they are saved. Why is that? 1 John 2:3 reads "Hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments". True love to God cnnot exist without obedience. 1 john 5;3 reads "This is the love of God, that we keep His Commandments: and His Commandments are not grievous". John 14;23,24 "He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings"
StMaule 1 year ago
@StMaule If you wanna keep the law because of 1 Jn 2:3 or Jn 14:23-24 or any scripture outside of Paul's writtings you are amiss. Those scriptures not written by Paul are to & for the Jew. Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. In the 10th Chapter Jesus tells the 12 go only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. He came to be a minister to Israel- Rom. 15:8. He came to fulfill the law, Mat. 5:17-19 He taught keeping all law.
2tires 1 year ago
@StMaule Jesus never told anyone outside of the apostle Paul not to follow the law. So for you to divide the law & say it was the ceremonial laws only that were nailed to the cross is untrue. Why do you suppose the followers of Jesus are obeying the law thru out Acts? In Chapter 10 Peter is obeying the dietary and separation of Nations laws. Paul is directly taught by Christ so what Paul writes is what Jesus said. He said we are not under law but under grace. It's all the law in Col. 2:14
2tires 1 year ago
@2tires I'm trying to understand your last post. Are you saying that Jusus gave Paul permission to break the 10Commandments?
StMaule 1 year ago
@StMaule Read Gal. 4:21-31 and 2 Cor. 3:[6] Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
[7] But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
Jesus told Paul we are under grace, the law has been suspended.
2tires 1 year ago
@2tires The same Paul who asked in Rom6;1 "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?" in other words does Grace give us a Licence to dissobay God's law? He answers his own question in v2 "God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" Sin is "Breaking God's Commandments" 1John 3;4 If the Commandments are not in effect then what did Christ die for? To put it simply How Can I get a Speeding Ticket if there is No speed Limit?
StMaule 1 year ago
@funspooks Amen!
Godsweetwarriors 1 year ago
Looks like Walter Veith and sounds like him to. I'll bet he's related.
Anyway. I think he should be telling the people more about JESUS.
47praisehim1 2 years ago
Wilson, I assume that you misunderstood me. What I said is, the Hebrew author never seperated the old covenant into 10 commandments and some other laws. The distinction is made only between the NEW covenant and the OLD covenant. You said that 10 commandments was not the basis of the old covenant. It sounds funny. Where did you get that? Bible clearly says that 10 commandments is the basis of the old covenant.
funspooks 2 years ago
thank you so much for this video..Some of my questions that bothered me were explained here.God bless! i hope everyone who have the same questions i had in my mind will see these and make their faith stronger!
shannenkate 2 years ago
Well awsome this video sure says alot to answer all the misconceptions about the Seventh Day Adventist here on youtube and its people like "Bingolly1" and "KingdoMentality" and "ACTS814" that definitely need to see this video. Praise God for the TRUTH its the Truth that shall set us free Praise God.
AdventistSoljah 2 years ago
CHRISTIAN!!
lawman308 3 years ago