Reprint the Danish Cartoons of Muhammad - Ayn Rand Institute

[catmutterer]

How weak do you have to be to get outraged by a cartoon?

[enomarekim]

freedom of speech can't be abused. You can't hurt someone with speech. If someone allows themselves to be hurt by anothers speech, they that person is weak minded.

[zensorship]

I am always pro Freedom of Speech, but those anti-Muhammed cartoonists were abusing that Freedom. It was like insulting the Muslims in the face, hurting their deepest feelings - how rude is that!

[racer42O]

@zensorship

That is NOT abusing freedom. If you limit the freedoms we have soon we will have none. You say they hurt "their deepest feelings" well thts bullshit, But lets say your right. My best friend since i was a kid is gay, he deals with being offended prolly every day. He doesn't think that speech should be limited to protect his feelings. he's a man about it. if u muslims think your epileptic pedophiliac prophet should be sacred move to a durkadurka sherpa country, not a westernized one!

[zensorship]

@ racer42O

no I didn't mean the "freedom of speech" should be "protected" by law. Only by common sense and human feelings. We don't have to exercise all our "legal rights" to the maximum, if that would hurt our fellow human beings.

We are human beings, not lawyers.

[WarVideo]

@zensorship

The truth hurts.

[ParallelWorlds3000]

Islam is a Terrorist CULT, not a faith; You're all assholes. Human Feces that this world can do without! Iran will be totaled and so will any other nation no matter what curse words or insults are traded. Mohammad looks good with a bomb in his head! Fuck Islamic Shit Faces and Fuck Opiate Addicted Psychics like Mohammad!

[buttusa]

@ParallelWorlds3000 U know my friend.....a true muslim is a person who has the power to curse but still he pray for the other to Allah that may Allah help him and show him the path which is right and good for him, and same thing i gona do for u coz i m a muslim and we have respect for every other religion but we want the same respect for ours too...

[liebefussball]

@buttusa you may be one of the muslims who think rationally beyond islam thats good....will you please ask the saudis to allow non-muslims to build temples...churches...synagogue­s.....etc?????? cos you said you respect other religions......

[MrBeyourself1987]

@liebefussball well when we build mosques in the Vatican in Rome, we will allow you to build churches in saudi arabia. why in the world when you talk about the Jews even if it was a joke, its considered antisemitism and you will be charged for hate crime in western countries. but when it comes to "islamophobia", it is a freedom of speech. you know how redundant that sounds. i say westerns became involved in so much hypocrisy in nowadays so they can justify their hideous actions.

[liebefussball]

@MrBeyourself1987 first of all vatican is not any holy city for the christians....you mean to say whole of saudi is only for the muslims???? why then you muslims are scared when muslims leave islam & follow other religion????...you want to pick up the jews cos your ''prophet'' could'nt convince the jews of mecca to follow him...your prophet hates the jews to the core..he slaughtered the jews for breach of treaty....muslims destroyed so many temples in india why is that so????

[MrBeyourself1987]

@liebefussball The Jews really deserved to be slaughtered as they want to kill our prophet, but to your knowledge half of them accepted islam. yes whole saudi arabia is sacred for muslims. 3 quarters of india are not muslims....i suppose you understand what i mean. 1 billion catholic Christians in the world today, so the Vatican is pretty much sacred, so when we build a mosque there, you are welcome to build a church in saudi arabia.

[liebefussball]

@MrBeyourself1987 slaughter the jews?????? ha ha ha in your wildest dreams.....you cant even defeat israel with all your petro dollars....the "HUMAN DEVELOPMENT INDEX" (presuming that you know what it means) of the muslim countries are no where near israel's...poverty....illitera­cy lack of scientific knowledge are ubiquitous among the muslims.....clean your own house brother then you can sharpen your knife for the jews LOL...you sound like a loser LOL..

[MrBeyourself1987]

@liebefussball of course we cannot defeat the jews while america and the whole Western countries support them. the united nations itself in favor with Israel. did you know the jews accused jesus being a bastard and his mother is whore. i dare you to say anything about it. they will put you in jail. you are so afraid of jews. you cowards. you killed them for 2000 years in the name of your dead god.

[liebefussball]

@MrBeyourself1987 united nations are in favor of israel???? which world are you in brother???? the UN passed more number of resolutions against israel than against any other nations please correct your facts dont just parrot what your imam blabbers in mosque every friday LOL..people have their right to call jesus a bastard & mary a whore its not my job to hate those people even jesus himself said "FATHER GOD FORGIVE THEM FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO"....whom am i to get angry with people..

[MrBeyourself1987]

@liebefussball well, be like jesus don't hate. now you are showing me some hypocrisy. Christians accused jews for 2000 years for killing Jesus Christ, this is history. i didn't made that up. welcome to our world, Israel has the biggest nuclear weapon in the middle east, united nations didn't say anything about it, while Iran is being suppressed to the limits financially and politically. Israel committed crimes against Palestinians and the last one was GAZA, where is the united nation.

[liebefussball]

@MrBeyourself1987 my opinion is those christians who accused the jews for killing jesus are as stupid as the muslims who hate the jews.....i have my individual thinking power...i dont accept what all the christians did just because they are christians got it?? i follow christ not christians...if you fire rockets into civilian area you have to face the consequence....why did the arabs reject ehud barak's peace offer in 2000??? by this time the palestinians would have got their country....

[MrBeyourself1987]

@liebefussball No people have no right to accuse Jesus Christ and his mother for such a thing, and you just showed everyone how good Christan you are. I'm not you brother. You are one of the jackass, hypocrite and disgusting Christians. I cannot believe you said, you won't defend Jesus Christ and his mother against such accusation. Don't worry, Muslims will take care of Jesus Christ and his mother. You filthy maggot. you should go and shoot yourself in the head . you don't deserve Jesus......

[liebefussball]

@MrBeyourself1987 yes you cant be my brother because you are filled with hatred....only human beings can be my brother LOL....what else can i expect from you who follow a child molester....thief....rapist...­murderer LOL.....i dont deserve jesus????? ha ha ha ha ......who the hell you think you are????? LOL you loser dont cry.....take it easy LOL you cry baby ha ha ha ha....

[MrBeyourself1987]

@liebefussball Did you know that your god and so called Jesus are the biggest pedophiles in the history. according to your bible. Mary was conceived when she was 12 years old, then she was married to Josef the carpenter and he was 90 years old. Again you are one hypocrite Indian christian.you are a disgrace to Indians. But you are one nasty jackass,given a chance to show his muscles behind the screen. By the way there are to many species of cows, which one you worshiped before Christianity

[liebefussball]

@MrBeyourself1987 jesus was a pedophile????? who revealed this to you???? jibril???? LOL...when will you muslims learn to talk without abusing the kaffirs...oh thats not easy when you dont know the facts Ha ha ha ha...you are a typical dimwitted moronic muslim....no where in the bible your accusations are there you lier...dont you think before lying???? even your lies are soooo moronic like you LOL..take some anti-hypertensives or some anti-depressant & relax LOL

[liebefussball]

@MrBeyourself1987 do one thing destroy st.peter's cathedral in rome & built a mosque there as muslims are notoriously known for such acts....as they always did such acts in india.....BTW...'phobia' means fear out of no reason....any objection & scrutiny on any ideology cannot be called as ''phobia''....no body is scared of islam...but every freedom loving person hates (not fear) that "totalitarian fascist ideology" called islam....muslims are victims of that ideology...

[MrBeyourself1987]

@liebefussball Westerners are dead scared from islam, thats why islamophobic people exist and they are fighting islam. let me then use another term anti-islamism. which by the western standers considered as a hate crime.....i don't care if you call it hate or fear. when you Christians killed Jews you didn't fear them, you hated them. so don't bug me about Jews, they killed your god and you hunted them down for 2000 years. my prophet was defending himself against those blood sucker pigs.

[liebefussball]

@MrBeyourself1987 all rational & freedom loving people are scared of criminal..illiterate thugs LOL....the romans killed jesus not the jews in fact the earliest followers of christ were mostly jews....BTW you said "they killed my god" so you accept that jesus died.....LOL or is it a taqqiya? LOL your prophet???? who that 53 year old grand pa who married a 9 year old kid???? the guy who raided meccan caravans?? the man who copied bible & torah??LOL keep entertaining me with your comments LOL

[MrBeyourself1987]

@liebefussball If "Americans" stop paying taxes to israel. israel will starve next day. hhhhhhhh jews killed your god and called him a bastard hhhhhhhh? and his mother is a whore!!! hhhhhhhh they spit on him and slapped him and then crucified him hhhhhhhhhhhhh your god. you suppose to be smart but not that smart, you still worship a dead man. . nothing is wrong with poverty, we love it and we are happy. unlike you, people commit suicide every second in your so called civilization.

[liebefussball]

@MrBeyourself1987 BTW egypt is receiving more aid from the americans than israel...check your facts...the jews gave torah & bible...jesus himself is a jew...nothing is wrong with poverty???? LOL poverty & illiteracy is a sign of curse brother dont you think so??? muslims commit suicide along with murdering others-''suicide bombings" ha ha ha..pathetic losers LOL...BTW this dead man jesus was not a child molester..thief..rapist...seri­al killer like your prophet ha ha ha..you follow a criminal LOL

[MrBeyourself1987]

@liebefussball <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< this guy is a hypocrite Christan, just ignore him. He hates muslims for unknown reasons, and yet he doesn't hate the Jews because Jesus told him to not hate. This is beyond hypocrisy. get real. Indian Christians are the dumbest people on earth. how much did the missionaries pay you to embrace Christianity or did they give you a job. 

[liebefussball]

@MrBeyourself1987 the missionaries told that 72 virgins will be waiting for me in paradise so that i can sex for eternity LOL....

[MrBeyourself1987]

@liebefussball you must be gay. you don't like women. Little Indian christian fagot. your missionaries gave one way ticket to hell. Lol.

[liebefussball]

@MrBeyourself1987 i'm a gay???? & i hate women????? really???? LOL did you peep into my bedroom??? you ''PEEPING TOM" LOL......GOD FORGIVE THIS LITTLE BOY FOR HE KNOW NOT WHAT HE SAYS :)))))))))))))

[MrBeyourself1987]

@liebefussball get lost fool. lol. i'm really wasting my time on hypocrite, little maggot and disgusting Indian christian. by the way keep hating muslims, don't stop. hhhhh jackass.

[liebefussball]

@MrBeyourself1987 instead of wasting your time here go molest some kids like your prophet ha ha ha ha......

[MrBeyourself1987]

@liebefussball by the way we are willing to share st.peters cathedral, if there is no place in the Vatican to build a mosque. just split it into two halve and give us our share, then we will think about givin you a place in saudi arabia to build your church, maybe some where in the desert.

[C2apostle]

Thank you ARI

[marasand5555]

Speech that offends someone IS in need of protection. Different views MUST be protected otherwise you end up with an ideology like islam where not even thinking is allowed ... forget about speech.

Incitement to violence, killing, and the like is a different story. Well, Islam is loaded with violence and killing... Islam needs to be eliminated.

To muslims: Do you agree how islam treatd non-mulsims - especially polytheists and apostates ???

[zulfitareen]

i support the danish news papers for their right of expression of any form.

[SCQM99]

@zulfitareen fuck off bitch

[zulfitareen]

Message to muslim bros/sis:

Gabriel made a mistake when he asked Muhammad, “read, Muhammad”, and Muhammad answered ,”I can’t read”. Angel should have known that Muhammad was illetrate. The right question would have been, “repeat after me, muhammad”, as we know you need a book to “read”, and angel was not carrying any book to read from. Why then, allah sent angel with wrong instructions.

It proves that story was concocted later to impress gullibles and create sensation.

THINK CRITICALLY

[zulfitareen]

i support the danish newspaper in their stand for freedom of speach and expression.

long live the 1st ammendment of us constitution.

[senantiasa]

Since when did freedom of speech cover the right to hate speeches? The Danish Cartoons are hate an example of a hate speech, because it insults a religious community. Scroll down for more information...

[zulfitareen]

if you want to learn how to hate everybody then you should read torah and koran. they are full of violence and hartred. they incite their follwers to hate and kill anyone who disagrees with you.

[zulfitareen]

you would not even speak about freedom of speach if you were in saudi areabia, sudan, iran, or pakistan. islam does not give anyone right of freedom. islam even means slave to some deity called allah, the moon-god of arabia. so there is no concept of freedom in islam or any other reilgion for that matter. it were the founding fathers of america who gave the concept of freedom of speach to the people in their constitution.

[senantiasa]

Ok, I will not tell you this again, because I've said it to you already and I've posted many other similar comments. FREEDOM OF SPEECH DOES NOT COVER HATE SPEECHES!

For your information, the Arabic word 'Allah' means 'God' in English. What violent and hateful verses are you talking about?

[Plaguetongue1]

Your religion is sick.

[senantiasa]

For your information, 'Allah' is not the moon-god of Arabia. The moon-god of Arabia was called 'Sîn' and he was not really that important for the ancient Arabs. On the other hand, 'Allah' means 'God' in English and He is the Lord of the universe.

Qur'an 41:37 And among His signs are the night and the day and the sun and the moon.

Do not prostrate to the sun or the moon; but prostrate to Allah Who created them,

if it is in truth Him whom ye worship.

[senantiasa]

Allah (or God) is not just the lord of the moon, but He is the god of the whole universe including the moon:

Qur'an 6:162 "Say: Lo! my worship and my sacrifice and my living and my dying are for Allah, Lord of universe."

Qur'an 26:23-4 "Pharaoh said: And what is the Lord of the universe? (Moses) said: Lord of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, if ye had but sure belief."

[calgarydetail]

your belief in allah is as offensive to me as these cartoons are to you. The Qur'an teaches hate,homophobia, bigotry, sexism and many other things. I find all these to be utterly repulsive.

If you are going to limit my rights because my views offend you then you are required by the same logic to limit your rights when your views offend me.

So heres the deal, Islam is no longer aloud to be spoken about or practiced in public and these cartoons are no longer be aloud.

[zulfitareen]

pls watch on youtue:

"idiot's guide to islam: who is allah".

[Mohammed23100]

LIAM85708!

If u think that every Muslim (EVEN IF THERE IS A 100% AMERICAN MUSLIM) is a terrorist and he/she will respond in that(TERROR) way than u r totally wrong!

I agree that there are some of us who are mentally plugged to terrorism but not all of us.

What was done through these Cartoons was a totall Internationally HUMILIATION!!!!

WHERE R THE HUMAN RIGHTS ORGANIZATION NOW???

IS THERE ANYONE TO ANSWER THS?

[2estring57]

No god's no problem!

[kurtilein3]

you should have included the 12 original cartoons in this video.

[LIAM85708]

wwait wait wait i havent seen the cartoon but i want to know what happened and what it actualy looked likei got told that muhamed had a but for hes head and fair enough the muselems are mad but theeir is no need to respon with terrorist attacks they take the micky out of other religions but you cant take the mickey out of theirswich to be honest is unfair i understand they have strong belifes but they should just prosicute the creaters but not take it to terrorist attacks and killing 1000000 ppl

[Turkishman72]

fuck danmark

[ShinigamiXV]

OK, as an objectivist, i dont see any problem with believing in god, so would you immature children stop your bickering?

[1337melee]

No problem? The very belief itself is makes a mockery of metaphysics and philosophy. Not to mention the ethical implications which this belief often takes.

Furthermore in epistemology, many people believe in god based on faith, which, by definition meas that they have no reason to believe in it. This idea of a source of knowledge above reason is a monstrous concept which has lead to many of the most diabolical philosophy's of today world, including the Muslim totalitarian extremist's.

[Mohammed23100]

The Guy in videolokks sick, It looks like someone is pressurizing him to do something he doesnt wants to do!

[marasand5555]

Don't say...

[Mohammed23100]

senantiasa! Thanks a lot for your support and commitment! It had given a lot of motivation and direction! I am on your side!

[senantiasa]

Let us strive for GOD, hopefully HE has mercy on us...

[ugotpimp]

yeah first amendment! even the times i dont disagree with what is being said.

[senantiasa]

Can you please look up what 'freedom of speech' means? It doesn't cover the hate speech, which includes speeches denigrating a religion. Please, don't be ignorant...

[NoDeity]

Ezra Levant published the cartoons but lost his magazine and faced a long legal battle as a consequence. He was exonerated but it cost him a hundred grand.

Read the story in his blog (google his name) and in his book: Shakedown: How Our Government is Undermining Democracy in the Name of Human Rights.

[NoDeity]

Also see Levant's YouTube videos of his interrogation at the Alberta Human Rights Commission.  Inspiring!

[senantiasa]

Wait what?? Who cares about the freedom to insult people?? It amazes me how many Westerners and Western-wannabes are so obsessed with 'freedom' that they think the freedom to insult is a wonderful thing. Don't you think this is out of the scope of democracy??

[NoDeity]

It's about freedom of expression, whether or not someone else finds it offensive. If you are offended, that's your problem, not mine. You are responsible for your feelings, not me. If I have the power to hurt your feelings, it's only because you give me that power.

As for democracy, who cares. Democracy and freedom are not the same thing.

[senantiasa]

OmG... I don't know if you notice, but your whole first paragraph is such a Western idea, Western philosophy. It's also coming from the Western philosophy of individualism. Why is it that Westerners are so keen on imposing their beliefs and philosophies on the rest of the world?? They think that that is the way the whole world must work. Listen, just because your ancestors colonized the world and conquered stolen wealth and lands, it doesn't mean that we will approve of your arrogance!

[NoDeity]

OmG... I don't know if you notice, but you're a fucking twit. I'm not imposing a gawdamn thing on you. Get over and grow the fuck up.

[senantiasa]

"I'm not imposing a gawdamn thing on you." Your sentence is comparable to the defenders of the Danish cartoons who say, "The cartoons are not insulting!"

[NoDeity]

I'm absolutely not imposing anything on you. You are as utterly free not to expose yourself to my words as you are to not expose yourself to those cartoons.

[senantiasa]

Sorry, if I got carried away with the whole 'West' vs 'ROW' thing. I just really don't like the fact that Western culture, philosophy, laws, international institutions, etc dominate over others. But really, stop trying to convince people that one's problem is one's own, because I could just answer "one's problem is the community's problem and never one's own, because we share this world we live in". It's just opinions, it's not something that you can argue about.

[marasand5555]

Dominate? People simply love Wester culture. Are there problrms tody in the Western life. Yes. People better themselves out of need. New laws, different points of view.. Always did.

A society with freedom of thinking is always desirable.

[senantiasa]

Western culture is mainly popular because the West colonized Africa, Asia, North America, South America, Australia and the Pacific for hundreds of years. Even though the West has renounced 'colonialism', they still impose their culture, religion, ideologies through politics, media, multinational firms, international organizations, etc. And they are able to do this mostly because they have robbed enough wealth after having colonized the world for hundreds of years. So, it's nothing to brag about.

[MojaveViper29]

Senantiasa, and Muslims imposed THEIR culture, religion, etc. on much of the world as well. Millions died in India and traditional cutures were suppressed and destroyed towards the goal of imposing the "true faith" on areas Muslims conquered. More died in these imperialistic wars of aggression than were killed in the colonization of the Americas and in the slave trade.

[nha10]

Yeah right what a load of horseshit

[senantiasa]

You said, "that's your problem, not mine". OMG, what is more Western than this?

You said, "As for democracy, who cares. Democracy and freedom are not the same thing." Ok sorry, I thought you were defending the freedom to insult for the purpose of upholding democracy. So now I completely don't understand where you're coming from. Do you find an expression that offends the autists, the obese and the blacks acceptable? Because in that case, I don't think you'll find any support even in the West.

[NoDeity]

What's with this obsession with categorizing things by the compass?

I'm coming from the position of supporting the freedom of the individual to express his or her ideas without restriction by government or religion. And, yes, that means that I support the freedom to express ideas that might be offensive to people whom I'd prefer not to be offended. If your words are not free, then you are not free.

[senantiasa]

I don't think I'm obsessed with categorizing things. I just used those classifications to as an example to clarify my argument. And so what if I categorize? You don't like it?

Ideas?? If there's a cartoon of the prophet of the Muslims with the face of a pig, what is the idea? There is no idea in it. It's just pure insult. If I'm wrong, then can you tell me the idea behind the cartoon? And if a person would like to convey an idea, can't you convey ideas without insulting? Is that impossible??

[marasand5555]

You need to learn about the criminality of mohammed - pedophilia, rape, looting, lying, destroying, KILLING, KILLING, KILLING, torture, maiming - you will change your mind fast !

[senantiasa]

I don't believe he ever did any of those things. I believe in the Qur'an.

[senantiasa]

"If your words are not free, then you are not free."

If you have a son and your son is insulting one of his classmates, because he's poor and skinny and wears old clothes, will you defend him from his teachers saying, "My son is free to say whatever he wants! I know that it must be insulting for that poor little kid, but my son is not free if he can't do it".

[NoDeity]

I would probably try to teach the child not to be needlessly or pointlessly unkind. However, such a situation is not reasonably comparable to creating cartoons that insult religion. If the poor boy is skinny and badly dressed, he is probably not at fault for his condition. On the other hand, all religionists who are old enough to be accountable for their beliefs are responsible for continuing to accept crazy ideas that are not well supported by either evidence or reason.

[senantiasa]

You don't think children know that insulting other children is not kind and that it hurts the other children? Of course they know...(unless maybe they're autistic) And it's not pointless; they do it for fun. Otherwise they won't do it. So you don't think the parents should limit the freedom of their children by saying, "Stop it, that's not nice!"?

I'm just using this example to know where you stand. Anyway, at least now I know that you think insulting others is useless, immoral and a no-no.

[senantiasa]

Wait, what crazy ideas...?

[marasand5555]

Acceptable ? No! That will be distestfull. Yet legal. It better be.

[senantiasa]

And why should it be? Tell me what's the point other than to satisfy your ego and make others angry?

[senantiasa]

Hey, NoDeity. Can you tell me why you say (from your name) that GOD doesn't exist? Enlighten me!:)

[NoDeity]

1. There is absolutely no direct evidence for God.

2. There are sound rational arguments against the existence of God.

If you want to get into it in any more depth than that, we can discuss it on my web site (the URL is in my profile).

[senantiasa]

Qur'an:

10:100 "It is not for any soul to believe save by the permission of Allah...."

028.056 "Lo! thou (O Muhammad) guidest not whom thou lovest, but Allah guideth whom He will." (note: The Arabic word 'ALLAH' basically means 'GOD' in English, Arab Christians also say 'ALLAH')

The evidences are clear for the believers even in the simplest things, but disbelievers will never see them even if they read the Qur'an 100 times. So humble yourselves before GOD, hoping that HE makes you understand.

[senantiasa]

Even if you are a super genious, you will not see any evidence if GOD doesn't want to show you any. HE is the most gracious, most wise!

[jeffmagic32]

There is no god, only the fools who worship "him".

[senantiasa]

This is not even an argument...

[kentamitchell]

'His' folloers are most stupid, most gullible...and *most* dangerous!

Believe in my loving, *merciful* 'allah'- or he will torture you FOREVER!

[senantiasa]

Who said that HE's merciful toward evil people? No, HE's merciful only towards HIS obidient slaves and HE gives us all a chance to be obidient slaves who will be greatly rewarded, so in my opinion HE is merciful.

By the way, 'ALLAH' is basically 'GOD' in English. Christian Arabs also say 'ALLAH' to refer to GOD.

[senantiasa]

The way you wrote your statement shows that you think one has to only believe in GOD to escape hell. This is not true; you are also obliged to do righteous deeds. You may have read the whole Qur'an, but did you understand it??

[NoDeity]

LOL -- that's hilarious. I laugh at your silly prophet and your non-existent god.

[senantiasa]

Can I ask you something? Why do you think you have to laugh at other people or find other people and their beliefs as silly, laughable or hilarious? By ridiculing other people, do you think you are arguing any better? Can't you just say "I don't believe in your prophet and your god" without having to ridicule or laugh at others? Seriously, ask yourself, is there any importance in laughing at other people? Thinking that they are better than other people? This is what you call 'arrogance'.

[NoDeity]

I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm content just to make fun of you. You have a faith-based world view and, therefore, it is most probably a waste of time to try to reason with you.

[senantiasa]

Yes, you can make fun of me as much as you want, just know that it's the Devil that loves it when you do that. He loves it when people laugh at others and think that they're better than others. Otherwise, what other logical reason do you think there is why people could gain satisfaction from laughing at others?

No, I view the world through reasoning. I was atheist until three years ago when I read the Qur'an and just thought that it makes more sense that GOD exists and does everything.

[NoDeity]

Now I know that you are insane.

[senantiasa]

Yes, ridiculing others and calling others 'insane' prove that you are right...

[NoDeity]

I'm not trying to prove anything to you. After all, why would I bother trying to reason with someone who has chosen to be insane? You're good for a laugh, though. :-P

[senantiasa]

Oh, sorry, I thought you wanted to debate over the existence of GOD. You mean because I was convinced that HE exists and therefore worship HIM means that I chose to be insane?

[NoDeity]

Yes, if it is true that you believe in God just because of that filth in the Quran, I think it likely that you're fucking nuts.

[senantiasa]

I didn't choose to believe in anything, I just believe it.

Anyway, I think you're like the Danish cartoonist; since he couldn't argue, he insulted. Amazingly, some people think he has a "point".

[NoDeity]

lol You mean you had no choice? How horrible, to have been victimized and brainwashed like that against your will.

I can argue quite well with anyone who is committed to reason. That you believe as a consequence of having read the Quran make it very unlikely that that describes you.

[senantiasa]

If you can prove to me that GOD doesn't exist for example, then I would stop worshipping GOD. You know it takes a lot of time, money and energy to worship GOD whereas I can do other things and spend money more on myself. So I would stop worshipping GOD if I knew HE didn't exist, but there are so many proofs that HE does exist and so....

[kentamitchell]

I read the quran cover to cover- all 114 suras- and found it LAUGHABLE the idea that the Creator of the Universe gave his FULL and FINAL revelation-decreeing a 354 day calendar- less accurate than the one Julius Caesar used 600 years earlier. MooooHAM-mud created 'allah' in his on image

[senantiasa]

What? You read the Qur'an from cover to cover and your comment on the whole Qur'an is about a calendar?? What verses are you even talking about?

[senantiasa]

Second, can you tell me the rational arguments against GOD?

I'm happy that you're being very respectful, truthful and humble the way you stated those two points expressing the fact that you're not 100% certain or you're not saying that it's a fact that GOD doesn't exist and that you capitalize the G for GOD. Hopefully HE will reward you for that by giving you guidance.

No, sorry, my domain is youtube... I think it's more effective that way... Please, just make your comments here...

[NoDeity]

No, the youtube comments section is unacceptable as a venue for a serious discussion of any depth.

And please don't get the wrong impression about me. I don't respect your beliefs. I consider all religion to be evil and I consider the abrahamic religions to worse than most.

[senantiasa]

I will say, what proof do you have that Abrahamic religions are worst? Why do you say that? Is it because of what is written in the holy books or what humans did? If you choose not to answer because you don't think youtube is good for any discussion, then that's fine... You don't have to answer...

[NoDeity]

The Abrahamic religions are terrible both because of what is in the "holy" books and because of the actions the books have inspired in those who embrace them. The books are horrible. They're anti-human and anti-freedom.

[senantiasa]

What do you mean anti-human?? And they're not anti-freedom.

[NoDeity]

One example for you: they devalue this, our one and only life, and teach believers to value more highly a non-existent "next life". What a crime!

[senantiasa]

What proof do you have to say that this is our only life and there is no 'next life'?

[MilitantScience]

Does everyone at the ARI have a fudged accent?

How is Peikoff doing?

[genji77]

Freedom of speech encompasses precisely the freedom to annoy, to ridicule, to offend. If it doesnt, it is hollow. The instant that any person or ideology is considered off-limits for critical examination and even ridicule, freedom of speech has been replaced by an ideological straitjacket.

[senantiasa]

Well, then maybe you need to fire all the law-makers in Denmark and replace them, because they are obviously incompetent for creating a very important law 'hollow'. Because according to the Danish Penal code, Straffeloven, section 266 B: Denmark prohibits ridiculing RELIGIONS, race, skin color, ethnic origin, sexual orientation, etc.

[senantiasa]

FREEDOM OF SPEECH FROM WIKIPEDIA!!: "the right to freedom of speech is not absolute in any country and the right is commonly subject to limitations, such as on "HATE SPEECH"."

HATE SPEECH FROM WIKIPEDIA: "Hate speech is a term for speech intended to degrade[citation needed] a person or group of people based on their race, gender, age, ethnicity, nationality, RELIGION, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, language ability, ideology,....etc"

[senantiasa]

DANISH LAW ON HATE SPEECH FROM WIKIPEDIA: "Denmark prohibits hate speech, and defines it as publicly making statements that threaten, ridicule or hold in contempt a group due to race, skin colour, national or ethnic origin, FAITH or sexual orientation.[22]" Source: Danish Penal code, Straffeloven, section 266 B.

If Denmark forbids 'Hate Speech', then why did they defend this type of cartoon with freedom of speech, when Hate Speech is obviously not part of Freedom of Speech??? Hypocrites...

[EikC]

The blasphemy laws within our country are not enforced. The Imams tried the same thing, and they, too, were dismissed.

[senantiasa]

I'm not talking about blasphemy. I'm talking purely about insult. You say that God doesn't exist or teach ways of worshipping Satan, which is a blasphemy in Islam. However, this will never insult Muslims. But cartoons insulting the prophet are insulting Muslims. Muslims don't get angry if you say their religion is wrong, but just don't say "you're following the teachings of a retard, pig, etc".

[jeffmagic32]

individuals cannot be attacked in such a hateful way - the laws of Denmark and all western nations do not protect institutions or ideology from ridicule. In America, somebody puts shit on a Virgin Marry statue and calls it art. I might not like that, but the person has certainly not harmed me in any way and has broken no laws. That is freedom of speech.

[senantiasa]

Fine, then go to your Buddhist friend, shove a Buddha statue up your ass and say "This is America!".

Do you not see that insulting a religion means insulting all its followers.

[jeffmagic32]

well, I am not Buddhist. But you can say whatever you want about Buddha, or Buddhism. Just like I can say that Islam is an evil religion of war started by a pedophile.

[senantiasa]

Who are you? Do you speak for all Buddhists in the world??

Well, then maybe you should go to my country and tell the Buddhist people to shut up, because they are protesting a bar and telling people to boycott all other French products just because of a bar called 'Buddha Bar'. I mean, it's not even insulting at all, it's just that they think the name of Buddha doesn't suit businesses like bars. Please, o wise one, enlighten those poor ignorant people on 'Freedom of Speech'.

[senantiasa]

Here's the vid on the protest: /watch?v=kMBDvIFxS_8

I don't know whatever happened to the bar, but the protest was on TV and newspapers for weeks! Onfortunately, they have no understanding of your views on the freedom to insult religions. Please, I ask you to teach them bout how stupid they are!:( And while you're at it, shove a Buddha statue up your ass, so that they really understand what freedom to insult means and how important it is.

[jeffmagic32]

no, I am not a Buddhist. But I have noticed that Buddhists tend to blow things up in the name of their deity a lot less than Muslims.

[senantiasa]

Oh, so because Buddhists don't blow things up when you insult them, then it means you can insult them as much as you want??? And if those Muslims behave irrationally, then does it mean that you should too?? I don't need to criticize the Muslims for their awful behavior, so many people are doing that already (notice I said criticize and not insult!!) But I need to criticize the Westerners who love to provoke them, making them angry in the first place.

[senantiasa]

Honestly, I don't care if you say Islam is a religion of monkeys or baboons. I'm just trying to point out what 'freedom of speech' means, because apparently people say it, but are ignorant that it doesn't cover 'hate speeches' or insulting religions. This is all I want to point out, but if you insist on saying that 'freedom of speech' protects the Danish cartoons on Muhammad, then I will stop speaking to you, because IMO it is useless to debate with people who believe whatever they want.

[jeffmagic32]

I thank the god that I don't believe in that I am free to insult whoever and whatever I want.

[senantiasa]

I'm sorry I don't know where you come from (it must be a really horrible place!), but in the society where I grew up insulting people is immoral!!

[hatchbx]

There's no disputing any outlet's right to publish whatever they see fit without facing the threat of a violent coercive backlash/deterrent. Freedom of Speech also means that Western papers do not have to submit to your bandwagoning peer pressure just to prove how "courageous" they are. Better for editors to address root causes of alienation in Muslim world that breeds militancy: economic exploitation, lopsided enabling of Israeli occupation, lack of non-madrasa education, etc.

[freyrkin]

Probably more safe with reverted immigration before you reprint anything.

If you not revert immigration, well...

[blujesus]

2 words. MARKET FORCES.

most American newspapers cherish PROFIT more than freedom of speech. perhaps they have concluded that it is their rational self interest not to offend any part of the newspaper buying public.

[advancethinking]

If I can speak with an ARI philosopher, I want to ask:

Do you think that Western culture can regain its capacity to flaunt its glory and stand more stoically in the face of worldwide idiocy, ranging from religious to political?

I would really love hear (or read of course) a clear cut answer from the Ayn Rand Institute.

[mrsirajkhan]

fucking america

[Easydollars]

HaHaHaHa. Americans wont have the Freedom of Speach much Longer. Go and voice your disapproval of the Neocon Nazi bush government and see how Long they will tolerate that.

Say something about Jews and see what happens.

This video is a load of horse crap.

New World Order, here we come. Easydollars

[javahead88]

Ezra Levant was the only magazine in Canada to publish the twelve MoToons. He has since been persecuted by the quasi judicial "Human Rights Commission" and is the subject of several lawsuits as he has uncovered the truly corrupt practices of Canada's HRC's. He videotaped his ordeal in front of the investigating officer and has posted the whole thing on Youtube. Just type in Ezra Levant to view his series of vids. He also has a blog by the same name. His stand and efforts are heroic. Go see.

[peakyone]

I agree with you 100 percent and all western newspapers should publish these cartoons every day or until the war on terror is over.

[StoogeWatcher]

People who support free speech should have defended the Danish cartoonists. But no. Liberals don't want to offend the Muslim fascists.

[Nelapidae]

To quote Metallica: Sad, but true.

[Nelapidae]

As an aspiring author, I hope to see more courage in this area by American publishers and the general media.

Excellent Op Ed by Elan Journo!!

[dumb14wanker]

unless you want to go into Alternative Press i wouldnt axpect to see much balls. especially in American Press

[SatanicCod]

Can't say it better myself. Let's reprint them at nauseum! This is the perfect case of "I Am Spartacus!" that should be embraced by all the members of the free world.

[TheUndercurrent]

Thanks for the brave defense Elan

[charlessmyth]

This is fine so long as the media have their right to publish and the lives and safety of their staff, families and sub-contractors protected by the US government, which will do almost anything, as did its Danish and Dutch (as per Geert Wilders and his film Fitna.) counterparts to avoid having to do so, for other political expediencies deemed more important.

[legendre007]

Excellent commentary! I find it disturbing that Fox News was the only major mainstream U.S. news outlet willing to broadcast or reprint any of the cartoons. The U.S. news media needs to grow a backbone and show solidarity with the Danes in standing up for free speech.