@DominoGray: There are provisions in the Constitution to change it. The Supreme Court is in power to interpret the Constitution. It was *always* a fluid document.
Taxpayer money, by the way, goes to the military mostly; a full 25% is spent on defense. A group of hardworking people who never attended college. The 13% goes to welfare, which is less than government pensions or medicare.
@ProbabilityDiver If the constitution were open to such broad interpretation then the founders wouldn't have taken over a year to write it and they wouldn't have made it so hard to amend.
What? Dude, there are countless examples of socialism in action, and there are plenty working fine right now. I live in Canada. We have public schools, national health care, a public police force, public libraries, crown owned mail service, government run energy programs. Actually, I can't think of any nation that isn't working because of socialism right now. Stop being ignorant and read a book
Well, I live in America, and it seemed that Capitalism was working pretty nicely. But now it's more of a socialist nation. Personally, I don't like the idea of splitting what I've earned with people who are too lazy to get off of their asses and actually do some work of their own. Call me selfish, but that's what socialism is.
America, like every other western nation, is a mixed economy. But relative to the rest of the world, America is about as economically right wing and heavily laissez faire capitalist as it gets. Calling America socialist is like calling a lion a herbivore because it lay in the grass. And so we're clear, the average wage versus the cost of living has been declining every year in America since 1977(hello resurgence of hardlinecapitalism), so I question how recent theproblemsare.
Btw, I wouldn't call you selfish because you dislike socialism. That's unrelated. I'd call you ignorant for thinking that poverty comes from laziness and that socialism is theft
@DominoGray socialism is taking the citizens money, giving it to the government, and then letting the government disburse it as they see fit. Most countries have a completely skewed electoral process, which means typically it's whoever has the most money wins. So in summary - The guy who finds the best ways to absorb MY money gets elected, and then decides what he wants to do with MY money, when I don't want him to have MY money. Its mine, if i'm not giving it to you and you take it, it's theft.
And you don't think you're oversimplifying the issue? Are they your roads? Is it your technology? Is it you makes the food or has it imported? Are they your police or your doctors? Is it your society that has raised you, provided for you, educated you? All yours?
Money is a material measure of value provided by society, assessed by society. When you've more money than is appropriate, society has the right and moral imperative to reclaim that value for a more reasonable way.
@DominoGray The problem is that your relying on someone elses "morals" to decide what's the best way to spend the money citizens have earned. It's never disbursed in a more reasonable manner. In fact more often than not it goes to entitlements that benefit a small percentage of society. The truth is the most people that receive "freebies" in America don't need it, but they'd rather collect welfare than work. YES some people need it, but most don't. It causes a downward spiral.
@DominoGray Socialism leads to a stronger, bigger, more centralized government. This takes the freedom and liberty from the people.The men who sit in our Senate and Congress are the wealthiest and most powerful men in our country, and use their power to obtain more wealth by doing favors for unions and corporations. This ousts our mom-and-pop businesses in which the PEOPLE control, and are replaced by corporations that the gov't controls through payouts and backroom deals.
Once again you're oversimplifying dude. Sometimes a strong, centralised government hurts personal liberty, sometimes it helps protect it. Use America for an example. America started with a very decentralised government after the revolution. Then, within a decade, after violent rebellions and horrifying abuses they realised a stronger federal government with universal guarantees on human rights was necessary. Police can abuse; they can also stop abuse--same with government.
@DominoGray Except our current strong centralized government has used it's power to encroach on the rights laid out in the constitution that was supposed to protect us. Now it has been deemed a "fluid" document that should be changed as time goes on. Not to mention that the socialist policies in the U.S. is used to take from the hard workers who have earned their money, to give to the ones who decided to skip school, drop out of college, and work a minimum wage job. How is that fair?
@TheSulferzombie America has been part Capitalist, part Socialist for the past 100 years. It's called a "mixed economy". L2 basic economics, please please oh please. You make all Americans look legally retarded.
Oh, really? I wasn't aware that I had that big of an influence on an entire country. Besides, I'm not offended-Americans, are, for the majority, selfish, lazy, fat, disgusting, greedy pigs. I was just saying that Capitalism is better than Socialism. I don't really care, though. It's all stupid, it's never going to get fixed, anyway. Pretty soon our shitty economy is going to start affecting everyone else, too. Including yours.
@hammermill83 oh, i'm sorry. i didn't realize that you were some hipster who listens to obscure music because you believe that you are becoming a more interesting person by listening to it, AND that your replies only consist of a penis joke and an immature "no u" instead of a legitimate response and list of reasons that your opinions may be correct.
@JackStickVideos I am not a hipster and I don't listen to "obscure" music because it makes me more "interesting". I just like the music, and in this case, i don't.
@crunkrocka not quite. they are not toally unrelated, true that "faggot" orgionated in englend to refer to wood, but that was also EXACTLY what Gumby1108 said. that "faggot" was a term for wood, and thus, in the inquesition, when the gays were burned, they were burned like faggots of wood, simply to be tossed in at will to keep the fire going. i have seen the word faggot used many a time in older books or books refering to older times.
i feel like i need to write a speech about 'straight folks', but then i remembered i'm not here for a debate class...i'm here to listen to music i enjoy.
what the hell? I go to listen to a song I like and the highest rated comments are the origins of the word faggot and sexual preference.... I hate youtube.
Gumby's explanation is incorrect, it is a well-known etymological urban legend. Burning at the stake was not the punishment for homosexuality in england, hanging was, as it was made illegal in the 16th century. See other comments for citations, or look it up yourself at an etymological website like etymonline
The explanation by Gumby1108 is very unlikely. The actual etymology is unknown, but the theory of burning at the stake does not have much support going for it. There was no specific punishment of homosexuality by burning at the stake. The common etymological theory is that it derives from a pejorative, late 1500s term meaning "unpleasant woman", but even this is debatable. Although a "faggot" was the name for a bundle of wood.
Faggot, in the derogatory sense probably comes from its traditional use to describe old women, later during modernity becoming a term used to describe homosexuals, following the same patten as 'nancy' and 'sissy', in feminizing them. I prefer this to the burning thesis, since it shows continuity and 'cos its a lower class slang word, whom i doubt would be using medieval references in formulating their language.
Believe me, I'm not contesting the hatred, just wondering about the etymology. Apologies if I've seemed in any doubts about the scourges imposed on any of the groups you mention.
The origin of faggot is new to me, and I've read some history. My concern is that the European Christians of the Inquisition were Catholic, and almost entirely Italian and Spanish. Would they have used the English word "faggot?" England's influence in the inquisition was comparatively small. Also, since homosexuality and Catholicism are, let's say, not exactly mutually exclusive, this selective, and horrifying, persecution seems strange.
@newaccountdebzbd In which case, the english word has spread around to other english-speaking words and on from there. Secondly, as Catholicism (particularly the ancient sort) is particularly against homosexuals, it seems logical that they would conduct a campaign against them. They did the same with witches, protestants, jews, and muslims.
@Virus940 People like you make no sense. If you don't like the music, then why do you listen to it? Let alone comment? Jeez. Just leave. Your comment is not welcome here.
@Virus940 That's a totally bullshit answer. I was asking because I wanted to know, since it would explain WHY you don't like this. Just trashing the song again doesn't make you witty in the slightest.
@Virus940 soooo wait if im correct do you go around to every vid on youtube that you don't "approve" of and leave a pointless comment because your insecure and immature or are you just a shitty person in general
I'd like to make a plea to stop using the term "douchebag." I, myself, am a douchebag and its extremly offensive! To all the other oppressed douchebags out there, RISE UP! When are you people going to realize that words are just words... The simple fact of the matter is that gay people these days are starved for attention, they can't just live their lives. They're so miserable with their self identity that they need to make others feel like shit for not agreeing with their lifestyle. Grow up
I personally love saying the word fag even though my dear sweat brother of whom i love so dearly is a gay man. i dont personally see a connection between the two terms Fag, and gay guy, since the term fag has been used to describe everything from wood to gay people to the elderly. but in the end as with any word any other mother fucker finds offensive, i usally side with george carlin, in that. "its not the word that offensive,its the racist asshole whose saying it."
The fact that one of their members illustrated my favorite book and that they started about 30 minutes away from my house just ADDs to the awesomeness ^^
I think it's funny that someone would post a pejorative comment like "faggot" on the comments board of one of the most liberal bands around. Go post on a linkin park comment board, or any other terrible mainstream band.
I hope we are all familiar with the origin of the term "faggot"? During the times of the Inquisition, European Christians used to burn homosexuals in addition to suspected witches. However, these poor men and women were not deemed significant enough by the Catholic Church to be given their own stakes upon which to die, but were instead simply tied up and thrown on the bonfire "with the other faggots," faggots being a stack of wood used for kindling. This is where we get "flaming" from as well.
It isn't actually. It's an urban myth. The origins of it as a derogatory term are more likely linked to the fact that it was elderly women who gathered bundles of sticks (faggots), and, in the tradition of other derogatory terms for gay men linking them with femininity. It was used. There's no evidence for burning being used as a punishment for homosexuality.
@Gumby1108 You're the second person to point that out. I was at Barnes and Noble and this older man came up to me and my dad and started telling us a bunch of historical facts and told me to make sure I find a guy and that a guy doesn't find me. Thanks for the cool information. :)
@Gumby1108 That's what i've been telling people, but every time someone just calls me a faggot, which well henceforth be called the other F word. I am not gay, but it really pisses me off that someone could be so insensitive that even after they learned that word's origin they would continue to use it. I'm fine with "cuss" words just not racial slurs and the other F word.
@childofthelittlemind Actually, if you look up the etymology of the word (seriously, google "etymology faggot" and you'll get the whole debate), you'll find that it's current slang use came into being way, way after the burning of heretics and the two uses weren't connected. That said, it's enough that it's an ugly hateful word uttered by hatefully stupid people, who are so insecure that they can't let anyone else be themselves either. Sad, really.
@MisterSeaJay Yes sir you are correct. I googled it and I thank you for helping me avoid looking silly in future situations, but still don't use it, it's an offensive word.
I'm no homophobe and in no way support burning "fags" of any sort, but I hope we are all familiar that the above account of the etymology of the word is false.
"It is sometimes claimed that the modern slang meaning developed from the standard meaning of faggot as bundle of sticks for burning, presumably with reference to burning at the stake.[8] This is, however, unlikely to be the case, and there is no tradition of burning at the stake being used as a punishment for homosexuality in Britain"
Well the citations in the article for the etymology of the word "faggot" come from The Oxford English Dictionary, I would be more willing to trust that than some dude who wrote a book.
The connection between homosexuals being burned at the stake is tenuous at best given that there is "no strong tradition" of the use of that particular torture and that the word was used an abusive term for other groups other than homosexuals prior to the 19th century.
that is fair enough. perhaps the word doesnt have a direct assosciation with the practice of torture.
but as a musician i know the word "faggot" is also derivative from "fagotte" in italian i blieve, and is the name given to the bassoon in orchestration and translates roughly to 'long piece of wood'. my book and also my music history teacher (the book was obviously not relevant to my music course) have both told me that homosexuals were burned as kindling for criminals and the like
@Gumby1108 "The oft-heard statement that male homosexuals were called faggots in reference to their being burned at the stake is an etymological urban legend. Burning was sometimes a punishment meted out to homosexuals in Christian Europe (on the suggestion of the Biblical fate of Sodom and Gomorrah), but in England, where parliament had made homosexuality a capital offense in 1533, hanging was the method prescribed."
excerpt from etymonlineDOTcom the Online Etymology Dictionary
@Gumby1108 It was very wrong what they did but it is refreshing now to be living around Christians who moved on and came out of the dark ages of committing violence like that.
Sadly, in 2011, there are still Islamic bureaucracy's like Iran stoning homosexuals to death. Islam is still living in the dark ages. Islam still has a bad track record when it comes to treating women and homos as ordinary people.
If you werent born in July then you wont understand this song
BruceWayne377 1 month ago
thumbs up if you were born in july :D
immydadsson13 2 months ago 7
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immydadsson13 2 months ago
This sounds so much like TMBG I had to double-check the playlist to make sure it was still Decemberists. Musically, it could be an homage of sorts.
abracadaverous 3 months ago in playlist YouTube Mix for The Decemberists 2
@abracadaverous I always thought the same! It's those "stops" in the guitar part in the refrain.
Snarlarita 2 months ago
Respond to this video... And also, Colin Moloy really sounds like John Linnell in this song.
Snarlarita 2 months ago
@abracadaverous heres to that
FlintAndStealingFilm 1 month ago in playlist Zavier's Mp3
i was born in July :D
gisehernandez 4 months ago 6
its funny how a song can cause a war (virbal)
Megatonaxe 4 months ago
@Megatonaxe Verbal.
coltoncolcleasure 4 months ago
JULY JULY JULY~~
GoldfishLight 4 months ago 3
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my last post was @YesYouAreIgnorant
ProbabilityDiver 4 months ago
@DominoGray: There are provisions in the Constitution to change it. The Supreme Court is in power to interpret the Constitution. It was *always* a fluid document.
Taxpayer money, by the way, goes to the military mostly; a full 25% is spent on defense. A group of hardworking people who never attended college. The 13% goes to welfare, which is less than government pensions or medicare.
ProbabilityDiver 4 months ago
@ProbabilityDiver Wait...what? How this argument get here?
BenGabbay 3 months ago
@ProbabilityDiver If the constitution were open to such broad interpretation then the founders wouldn't have taken over a year to write it and they wouldn't have made it so hard to amend.
apnwahoowa 2 months ago
It's just a classic upbeat pop song with incredible writing. Colin is a genius.
jmoniz32 4 months ago
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thumbs up for.......i don't know just thumbs up :D
vargoth100 5 months ago
all of my uncles are crooked french Canadians! Yay!
logu0004 5 months ago
I enjoy this.
XxherbestnightmarexX 5 months ago
I Like This Song:)
lexylex1718 5 months ago
I get to see them on the 26! Can't wait!!!
macvspc1020 5 months ago
This video was just added to a music playlist at JustPlay.fm
justplayfm 5 months ago
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DJpadlo 6 months ago
it gives me great pleasure to hear my 3 year old son shout this song randomly while playing with his legos....
TGTECNforJesus 6 months ago 33
@TGTECNforJesus Better than Lady Gaga or some shit
KissKicksAss1995 5 months ago
@TGTECNforJesus I want to have kids that do that when I have kids :)
NoraScout94 2 weeks ago
its fuckin july again!!!
Joeskeets 6 months ago
YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!
CRACKA205213 6 months ago
I've never been happier to have been born in July! :D
xilovepeanutsx 6 months ago 4
HAPPY JULY :D
themaester5 6 months ago
It's even better today since its july 2nd and the name is July, July (2 July's)
WootZillza 7 months ago 2
one of the most beautiful songs ever written, it makes me feel alive
tony331979 7 months ago
Hooray July! Perfect way to start the month.
mediocremaiden 7 months ago 5
Happy July everyone
SeeSarahGo 7 months ago 6
hey ladies,take it in the bathroom,where shit belongs. just sayin
javezzz1 7 months ago
my birthday is at 1st of July :D!!
JustEve97 7 months ago 3
@JustEve97 mine too
MeeshoTV 7 months ago
I will download this song without paying for it.
DylanNes 7 months ago 2
@DylanNes Well, at least you're honest.
Fuzunga 7 months ago
This song makes me remember 2001 for some reason...
SPAAAAACEman 7 months ago
@Lolzcatz76 HAHAHAHAHAHA
You copied this comment from the top rated comment on Mark Ronson 'Bang Bang Bang'!!!!!
That is top comment plagiarizm!!!!
Everyone check it out.... This guy is the ultimate failure LOL
kirinlager49 7 months ago
we need 25 condoms and a time machine!
drkmrln13 7 months ago
Brendan urie should do a cover of this :3
Lrawrasaur 7 months ago 4
Socialism. Would. Never. Work. EVER.
TheSulferzombie 8 months ago
@TheSulferzombie
What? Dude, there are countless examples of socialism in action, and there are plenty working fine right now. I live in Canada. We have public schools, national health care, a public police force, public libraries, crown owned mail service, government run energy programs. Actually, I can't think of any nation that isn't working because of socialism right now. Stop being ignorant and read a book
DominoGray 5 months ago
@DominoGray
Well, I live in America, and it seemed that Capitalism was working pretty nicely. But now it's more of a socialist nation. Personally, I don't like the idea of splitting what I've earned with people who are too lazy to get off of their asses and actually do some work of their own. Call me selfish, but that's what socialism is.
TheSulferzombie 5 months ago
@TheSulferzombie
America, like every other western nation, is a mixed economy. But relative to the rest of the world, America is about as economically right wing and heavily laissez faire capitalist as it gets. Calling America socialist is like calling a lion a herbivore because it lay in the grass. And so we're clear, the average wage versus the cost of living has been declining every year in America since 1977(hello resurgence of hardlinecapitalism), so I question how recent theproblemsare.
DominoGray 5 months ago
@TheSulferzombie
Btw, I wouldn't call you selfish because you dislike socialism. That's unrelated. I'd call you ignorant for thinking that poverty comes from laziness and that socialism is theft
DominoGray 5 months ago
@DominoGray socialism is taking the citizens money, giving it to the government, and then letting the government disburse it as they see fit. Most countries have a completely skewed electoral process, which means typically it's whoever has the most money wins. So in summary - The guy who finds the best ways to absorb MY money gets elected, and then decides what he wants to do with MY money, when I don't want him to have MY money. Its mine, if i'm not giving it to you and you take it, it's theft.
YesYouAreIgnorant 4 months ago
@YesYouAreIgnorant
And you don't think you're oversimplifying the issue? Are they your roads? Is it your technology? Is it you makes the food or has it imported? Are they your police or your doctors? Is it your society that has raised you, provided for you, educated you? All yours?
Money is a material measure of value provided by society, assessed by society. When you've more money than is appropriate, society has the right and moral imperative to reclaim that value for a more reasonable way.
DominoGray 4 months ago
@DominoGray The problem is that your relying on someone elses "morals" to decide what's the best way to spend the money citizens have earned. It's never disbursed in a more reasonable manner. In fact more often than not it goes to entitlements that benefit a small percentage of society. The truth is the most people that receive "freebies" in America don't need it, but they'd rather collect welfare than work. YES some people need it, but most don't. It causes a downward spiral.
YesYouAreIgnorant 4 months ago
@DominoGray Socialism leads to a stronger, bigger, more centralized government. This takes the freedom and liberty from the people.The men who sit in our Senate and Congress are the wealthiest and most powerful men in our country, and use their power to obtain more wealth by doing favors for unions and corporations. This ousts our mom-and-pop businesses in which the PEOPLE control, and are replaced by corporations that the gov't controls through payouts and backroom deals.
YesYouAreIgnorant 4 months ago
@YesYouAreIgnorant
Once again you're oversimplifying dude. Sometimes a strong, centralised government hurts personal liberty, sometimes it helps protect it. Use America for an example. America started with a very decentralised government after the revolution. Then, within a decade, after violent rebellions and horrifying abuses they realised a stronger federal government with universal guarantees on human rights was necessary. Police can abuse; they can also stop abuse--same with government.
DominoGray 4 months ago
@DominoGray Except our current strong centralized government has used it's power to encroach on the rights laid out in the constitution that was supposed to protect us. Now it has been deemed a "fluid" document that should be changed as time goes on. Not to mention that the socialist policies in the U.S. is used to take from the hard workers who have earned their money, to give to the ones who decided to skip school, drop out of college, and work a minimum wage job. How is that fair?
YesYouAreIgnorant 4 months ago
@YesYouAreIgnorant the goverment fucked you lot over big time when they changed that the dollar is worth an ounce of gold....
schnorschrajaxx 4 months ago
@TheSulferzombie America has been part Capitalist, part Socialist for the past 100 years. It's called a "mixed economy". L2 basic economics, please please oh please. You make all Americans look legally retarded.
Donavan68 5 months ago
@Donavan68
Oh, really? I wasn't aware that I had that big of an influence on an entire country. Besides, I'm not offended-Americans, are, for the majority, selfish, lazy, fat, disgusting, greedy pigs. I was just saying that Capitalism is better than Socialism. I don't really care, though. It's all stupid, it's never going to get fixed, anyway. Pretty soon our shitty economy is going to start affecting everyone else, too. Including yours.
TheSulferzombie 5 months ago
@TheSulferzombie What the fuck are you talking about? I am American you fucking tool.
Donavan68 5 months ago
@Donavan68 ........ awkward turtle.
graylyte 4 months ago
who likes this?!
hammermill83 8 months ago
@hammermill83 look around you you dumb shit. EVERYONE!
JackStickVideos 8 months ago 2
@JackStickVideos they suck dick like you.
hammermill83 7 months ago
@hammermill83 oh, i'm sorry. i didn't realize that you were some hipster who listens to obscure music because you believe that you are becoming a more interesting person by listening to it, AND that your replies only consist of a penis joke and an immature "no u" instead of a legitimate response and list of reasons that your opinions may be correct.
JackStickVideos 7 months ago
@JackStickVideos I am not a hipster and I don't listen to "obscure" music because it makes me more "interesting". I just like the music, and in this case, i don't.
hammermill83 7 months ago
@hammermill83 which, of course, means that the band and myself suck dick, and that nobody else can like them
JackStickVideos 7 months ago
@JackStickVideos prick
JackStickVideos 7 months ago
Anyone else agree that YouTube comment boards should be banned for life? I thought so.
everhartdaniel80 8 months ago 20
You are the best
berkrebellion 8 months ago
<3
xxZeroZonexx 9 months ago
this song makes me so happy. im going on a picnic later <3
CarlWasHere1993 9 months ago 17
22 peoples' uncles are crooked french canadians
atp1130 9 months ago 45
@atp1130 LMAO
KissKicksAss1995 5 months ago
Bless you Colin Meloy...Only you could use bygone phrases like "Spritely Light Magenta" in a song and make it work. That's just how you roll.
Handslide19 9 months ago 6
@Handslide19 sprightly*
MrConsideration 9 months ago
Idiots start useless discussions about everything else but the video.
just listen to this song and comment about the song.Anything else? no just the damn song!
rulaxhay 9 months ago
what a fucking good song
LorcanDMeath 9 months ago
Because Internet fights change people's minds ALL THE GODDAMN TIME.
IThinkIMightBeRobert 10 months ago 7
@crunkrocka not quite. they are not toally unrelated, true that "faggot" orgionated in englend to refer to wood, but that was also EXACTLY what Gumby1108 said. that "faggot" was a term for wood, and thus, in the inquesition, when the gays were burned, they were burned like faggots of wood, simply to be tossed in at will to keep the fire going. i have seen the word faggot used many a time in older books or books refering to older times.
cbassdfishman 10 months ago
HOW DOES THIS REALATE TO THIS SONG
rosethorn3000 9 months ago 6
@cbassdfishman thats retarded
btschiem 8 months ago
@cbassdfishman . . . The fires OF HELL they mean! (Mat Stone and Tray Parker can f**k off!)
killwize 6 months ago
Good apocalypse music.
RenovatedLocksmith 10 months ago
Thumbs up if you're birthday is in July! :PP
95nwot 10 months ago 12
Thumbs up if you're birthday is in July! :PP
95nwot 10 months ago
@paranoidandroid505 r u marvin?
TheDp321 10 months ago
This is true....But there are still many "Christian" countrys that persecute homosexuals; In Africa for example.
I think right wing "Christians" in Europe and America would like to stone and burn gays but luckily we have laws to stop these nutters doing so.
Hellishhorse 10 months ago 3
STOP FEEDING/BAITING THE TROLLS. just enjoy this f*ckin' awesome song and stfu.
chippeddiamonds 10 months ago
this band is educated nreds period, but i like em!
lovedandhis 11 months ago
@lovedandhis At least these "educated nreds" use proper grammar and spelling.
kingofcarrotflowers7 10 months ago
i feel like i need to write a speech about 'straight folks', but then i remembered i'm not here for a debate class...i'm here to listen to music i enjoy.
dirtycavemen 11 months ago 5
What does this song have to do with being gay?
nwifails 11 months ago 7
Why are the top comments on this about homos? o.O Not that I have anything against them it's just random.
PeteWentzLover1011 11 months ago
i really like this song!
topduck42 11 months ago
what the hell? I go to listen to a song I like and the highest rated comments are the origins of the word faggot and sexual preference.... I hate youtube.
DumbledorePwnGandalf 11 months ago 193
@DumbledorePwnGandalf then don't use it
shocksrivers 8 months ago 4
@DumbledorePwnGandalf 178 people need to get a life
jnntinsf 5 months ago
...why is everyone talking about where the word 'faggot' comes from? o.o
HexReinette 11 months ago 7
Gumby's explanation is incorrect, it is a well-known etymological urban legend. Burning at the stake was not the punishment for homosexuality in england, hanging was, as it was made illegal in the 16th century. See other comments for citations, or look it up yourself at an etymological website like etymonline
omgLordLituslol 11 months ago 2
The explanation by Gumby1108 is very unlikely. The actual etymology is unknown, but the theory of burning at the stake does not have much support going for it. There was no specific punishment of homosexuality by burning at the stake. The common etymological theory is that it derives from a pejorative, late 1500s term meaning "unpleasant woman", but even this is debatable. Although a "faggot" was the name for a bundle of wood.
kinofrost 11 months ago 2
love this song, and it doesnt matter if someone is gay or not, so stfu haters
CreeMyNuggets 11 months ago
this song is AWESOME in concert- saw them last night and it was RAD
TwiLovelyPenguins 11 months ago 3
Faggot, in the derogatory sense probably comes from its traditional use to describe old women, later during modernity becoming a term used to describe homosexuals, following the same patten as 'nancy' and 'sissy', in feminizing them. I prefer this to the burning thesis, since it shows continuity and 'cos its a lower class slang word, whom i doubt would be using medieval references in formulating their language.
SandstoneSandgroper 11 months ago 4
@SandstoneSandgroper
The etemology would imply that, as well as the fact that 'faggot' was a term used to describe a burden, then later a burden on society.
fancyorangemittens 11 months ago
@SandstoneSandgroper
The etemology would imply that, as well as the fact that 'faggot' was a term used to describe a burden, then later a burden on society.
fancyorangemittens 11 months ago
@SandstoneSandgroper Wow dude, get a fucking life.
FREEK0NALEESH 11 months ago
@SandstoneSandgroper
LOL xD
Mazza4Azza 11 months ago
"chicken chains" made me smile
ZaoAndZestos 1 year ago
Believe me, I'm not contesting the hatred, just wondering about the etymology. Apologies if I've seemed in any doubts about the scourges imposed on any of the groups you mention.
newaccountdebzbd 1 year ago
The origin of faggot is new to me, and I've read some history. My concern is that the European Christians of the Inquisition were Catholic, and almost entirely Italian and Spanish. Would they have used the English word "faggot?" England's influence in the inquisition was comparatively small. Also, since homosexuality and Catholicism are, let's say, not exactly mutually exclusive, this selective, and horrifying, persecution seems strange.
newaccountdebzbd 1 year ago
@newaccountdebzbd In which case, the english word has spread around to other english-speaking words and on from there. Secondly, as Catholicism (particularly the ancient sort) is particularly against homosexuals, it seems logical that they would conduct a campaign against them. They did the same with witches, protestants, jews, and muslims.
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Mrjose117able 1 year ago
awesome song.
doit420sdf 1 year ago
Talking a walk in the english countryside last summer listening to this, good stuff
Mithrandir901 1 year ago
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This shit fucking sucks ass. So lame, generic, and boring. How can anyone like this dog shit?
Virus940 1 year ago
@Virus940 People like you make no sense. If you don't like the music, then why do you listen to it? Let alone comment? Jeez. Just leave. Your comment is not welcome here.
Ps. Eat dog shit, ya' idoit.
xxbrinnalearyxx 1 year ago 5
@Virus940 Well, what kind of music do you like?
creatievzyn 1 year ago
@creatievzyn Not dogshit like this.
Virus940 1 year ago
@Virus940 That's a totally bullshit answer. I was asking because I wanted to know, since it would explain WHY you don't like this. Just trashing the song again doesn't make you witty in the slightest.
creatievzyn 1 year ago
@Virus940 soooo wait if im correct do you go around to every vid on youtube that you don't "approve" of and leave a pointless comment because your insecure and immature or are you just a shitty person in general
KRBTarheel10 1 year ago
@KRBTarheel10 No u
Virus940 1 year ago
I'd like to make a plea to stop using the term "douchebag." I, myself, am a douchebag and its extremly offensive! To all the other oppressed douchebags out there, RISE UP! When are you people going to realize that words are just words... The simple fact of the matter is that gay people these days are starved for attention, they can't just live their lives. They're so miserable with their self identity that they need to make others feel like shit for not agreeing with their lifestyle. Grow up
hbomb3066 1 year ago
I don't care if someone's a homosexual or not. We're all people, anyway.
dylanthechameleon 1 year ago 119
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@dylanthechameleon but homosexuals are faggots
kirinlager49 7 months ago
@kirinlager49 I'm going pretend that you were being ironic. Ha, that was really funny.
previouslyadjetive 6 months ago in playlist the decemberists
@previouslyadjetive im just trying to say that they're really shit people... in terms of personality
kirinlager49 6 months ago
@previouslyadjetive and I'M going to pretend you didn't just feed the troll. that's against the rules
jehlahdqyjean 6 months ago
I personally love saying the word fag even though my dear sweat brother of whom i love so dearly is a gay man. i dont personally see a connection between the two terms Fag, and gay guy, since the term fag has been used to describe everything from wood to gay people to the elderly. but in the end as with any word any other mother fucker finds offensive, i usally side with george carlin, in that. "its not the word that offensive,its the racist asshole whose saying it."
Razool543 1 year ago
Burning fags is smoking cigarettes noob!
nellydude88 1 year ago
I don't even like July, but this song makes me a bit excited for it...
cheesyDELISH48 1 year ago
@Ghostkiller62 THANK YOU.
you proved my thought experiment that there are people who appreciate sarcasm on youtube. :D
talflick 1 year ago 2
Is the guy singing from They Might Be Giants?!
sterlingisbosss 1 year ago
YAY DECEMBERISTS
The fact that one of their members illustrated my favorite book and that they started about 30 minutes away from my house just ADDs to the awesomeness ^^
Nutarei 1 year ago
@Nutarei Which member illustrated what book?
aura723 1 year ago
@aura723 Carson Ellis
Nutarei 1 year ago
@aura723 Carson Ellis oh and hte book was the Mysterious Benedict Society
Nutarei 1 year ago
Sounds like that Tokyo taxi car police kids band or whatever.
VegasSkateCulture 1 year ago
17 people like August better.
LivingInLyric 1 year ago
I LOVE THIS SONG. nuff said (:
htmusicbabi29 1 year ago
I find it hilarious to find so many political comments on a song about a woman's lover murdering her uncle.
LostHeroXIII 1 year ago
@LostHeroXIII It's always seem so straaaaaaannnnggggeeee
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HallHarold2953 1 year ago
When the song was over I was all like, "Wait it's over? Replay." Repeated this about five more times.
InnSomKneeYack 1 year ago 3
I used to listen to this song all the time while playing Medal of Honor Allied Assault
Stormed the Beaches of Normandy and it never seemed so strange
catra195 1 year ago 3
I learned about the Decemberist in my Russian History class lol
KentuckyToday 1 year ago 2
JULY! <3
lovely month, lovely song.
13th of july is my bday =D
deesjee22 1 year ago 2
@deesjee22 4th of July is my b-day :D
coolestcat8 1 year ago 2
@coolestcat8 nice ^^
4th of July ^^ ... isn't that independence day or something? XD
deesjee22 1 year ago
@deesjee22 it might be labor day :P
coolestcat8 1 year ago
he sounds so much like Robyn Hitchcock, it's a bit creepy. love both, though! and this song is fantastic..
dirtycavemen 1 year ago
I'm so gangster.
DaejeonGangster 1 year ago
I think it's funny that someone would post a pejorative comment like "faggot" on the comments board of one of the most liberal bands around. Go post on a linkin park comment board, or any other terrible mainstream band.
sfmike20 1 year ago
@sfmike20 I don't like Linkin Park. Faggot!
DaejeonGangster 1 year ago
I hope we are all familiar with the origin of the term "faggot"? During the times of the Inquisition, European Christians used to burn homosexuals in addition to suspected witches. However, these poor men and women were not deemed significant enough by the Catholic Church to be given their own stakes upon which to die, but were instead simply tied up and thrown on the bonfire "with the other faggots," faggots being a stack of wood used for kindling. This is where we get "flaming" from as well.
Gumby1108 1 year ago 66
@Gumby1108 That's actually very interesting. Thanks for that insight into European history.
DaejeonGangster 1 year ago
@Gumby1108
It isn't actually. It's an urban myth. The origins of it as a derogatory term are more likely linked to the fact that it was elderly women who gathered bundles of sticks (faggots), and, in the tradition of other derogatory terms for gay men linking them with femininity. It was used. There's no evidence for burning being used as a punishment for homosexuality.
AnonymousBiz 1 year ago 3
@Gumby1108 lol at recycling info you got from watching a sitcom. Dont act like you dont know what im talking about (Louie)
VAPRODUCTIONS42101 1 year ago
@Gumby1108 That exact quote was stolen from Louie on Fox.
contraryjerrystudios 1 year ago
@Gumby1108 You're the second person to point that out. I was at Barnes and Noble and this older man came up to me and my dad and started telling us a bunch of historical facts and told me to make sure I find a guy and that a guy doesn't find me. Thanks for the cool information. :)
HaydeeJimenez15 1 year ago
@Gumby1108 That's what i've been telling people, but every time someone just calls me a faggot, which well henceforth be called the other F word. I am not gay, but it really pisses me off that someone could be so insensitive that even after they learned that word's origin they would continue to use it. I'm fine with "cuss" words just not racial slurs and the other F word.
childofthelittlemind 1 year ago 2
@childofthelittlemind Actually, if you look up the etymology of the word (seriously, google "etymology faggot" and you'll get the whole debate), you'll find that it's current slang use came into being way, way after the burning of heretics and the two uses weren't connected. That said, it's enough that it's an ugly hateful word uttered by hatefully stupid people, who are so insecure that they can't let anyone else be themselves either. Sad, really.
Back on target, hey, good song!
MisterSeaJay 1 year ago 2
@MisterSeaJay Yes sir you are correct. I googled it and I thank you for helping me avoid looking silly in future situations, but still don't use it, it's an offensive word.
And yes it is a good song.
childofthelittlemind 1 year ago
@childofthelittlemind whats the other F word? just wondering..
SofyG1995 1 year ago
@Gumby1108
I'm no homophobe and in no way support burning "fags" of any sort, but I hope we are all familiar that the above account of the etymology of the word is false.
JrFLYnnIV 1 year ago
@JrFLYnnIV actually it's not
katerinalikesvideos 1 year ago
@katerinalikesvideos
actually do some research =
from wikipedia article on "faggot":
"It is sometimes claimed that the modern slang meaning developed from the standard meaning of faggot as bundle of sticks for burning, presumably with reference to burning at the stake.[8] This is, however, unlikely to be the case, and there is no tradition of burning at the stake being used as a punishment for homosexuality in Britain"
JrFLYnnIV 1 year ago
@JrFLYnnIV
well actually, thank you i have done some research.
your research consisted of reading wikipedia.
i read homophobia: a history by forne for a humanities course. he talks about how homosexuals were burned in it.
perhaps the author was misinformed but i think my sources are a little more credible?
katerinalikesvideos 1 year ago
@katerinalikesvideos
Well the citations in the article for the etymology of the word "faggot" come from The Oxford English Dictionary, I would be more willing to trust that than some dude who wrote a book.
The connection between homosexuals being burned at the stake is tenuous at best given that there is "no strong tradition" of the use of that particular torture and that the word was used an abusive term for other groups other than homosexuals prior to the 19th century.
JrFLYnnIV 1 year ago
@JrFLYnnIV
that is fair enough. perhaps the word doesnt have a direct assosciation with the practice of torture.
but as a musician i know the word "faggot" is also derivative from "fagotte" in italian i blieve, and is the name given to the bassoon in orchestration and translates roughly to 'long piece of wood'. my book and also my music history teacher (the book was obviously not relevant to my music course) have both told me that homosexuals were burned as kindling for criminals and the like
katerinalikesvideos 1 year ago
@Gumby1108 "The oft-heard statement that male homosexuals were called faggots in reference to their being burned at the stake is an etymological urban legend. Burning was sometimes a punishment meted out to homosexuals in Christian Europe (on the suggestion of the Biblical fate of Sodom and Gomorrah), but in England, where parliament had made homosexuality a capital offense in 1533, hanging was the method prescribed."
excerpt from etymonlineDOTcom the Online Etymology Dictionary
omgLordLituslol 1 year ago
@omgLordLituslol Yeah I myself find that other explanation a bit suspect.
Yuri92001 1 year ago
@Gumby1108 True, but also taken from Louie
Driging 1 year ago
@Gumby1108 Well, I learned something today :)
TormentedYoung 1 year ago
@Gumby1108 urban legend
mmkkllppoo 11 months ago
@Gumby1108 stfu faggot.
whogotdmosh 11 months ago
@Gumby1108 It was very wrong what they did but it is refreshing now to be living around Christians who moved on and came out of the dark ages of committing violence like that.
Sadly, in 2011, there are still Islamic bureaucracy's like Iran stoning homosexuals to death. Islam is still living in the dark ages. Islam still has a bad track record when it comes to treating women and homos as ordinary people.
LaLaGrunge 10 months ago