Mr. Universe George Eiferman (1925-2002) : A True Story

[BlackCountryPuddler]

I had a picture of George on my bedroom wall for from age ten until I went into the army LOL Then one day forty years later I was walking through a cat show of all things and I looked up and there he was. So I jumped on him like a kid. He talked to me for an hour.Took me and introduced me to his pretty wife in this video. Took my address and sent me all sorts of stuff. I turned full circle.... I had his pictures back up on the wall again LOL Great guy. Wonderful man.

[Dr5wole]

Superb physique

It's shame the way bodybuilding has gone

[fjbutch]

Beautiful story ....

[TheInfinityEffect]

R.I.P George Eiferman

[vegas787]

Interesting side note George Eiferman"s gym in Las Vegas is now HAWK'S GYM a gay bathhouse in the city's seedy commercial center.  It' s a few doors down from the infamous GREEN DOOR swinger club and BADLANDS gay cowboy bar!!

[mxylpx]

Hell,they seem like a happy couple in love with each other and that in the final analysis is what really matters in the long run..is'nt it?

[LaReinaDelBarrio]

Glad I got to see George in this interview... she looks like the gal in the video response

[olympus20002002]

Sorry to bust everyone's dreams...George Eiferman, Steve Reeves, Reg Park, etc, were all on steroids...nothing has changd in over 100 years of working out--dumbells and barbells are the same now as in 1900! The difference....steroids introduced in 1940 --YES 1940!!!! The only thing that has changed is the number of new steroids and the alarming amounts these idiots started takinging in the 60s.

[Farshad86]

I think there are merit to what you saying because it was made possible to inject testosterone in 30s Nazi germany and test is "godfather of all steroids" its an exact copy of what ur body produces, all other steroids are derivate/cousins to test.That being said my belief is that the athletes who lived in those days who wished to aid in recuperation and spur muscle growth they already had the perfect concoction for doing that namely test. Was no need to wait for

dbol(58') & deca/primo(62')

[richardm80]

lol get real. Steve Reeves never took steroids. He stopped competing in 1950. Look at him in photos when he was 16/17 and you'll see he never needed to take steroids. dumbass

[Farshad86]

Steve Reeves and many other bber's from his era were pioneers in the usage of steroids. Synthethic test has been around for over 70 yrs. Any trained eye can tell that he injected test just by looking at some of his pics. You Dumbass.

[Farshad86]

Schwarzenegger's coach, Kurt Marnul a former Olympic weighlifter has stated that Stevve Reeves told him about how to use Steroids. He has said in interview that Steeve Reeve himself used steroids/synthethic test. And also Larry Scott, winner of the '65 & '66 Mr Olympia has gone on the record saying Steeve Reeves introduced him to Dbol.

[richardm80]

LMAO, that rumour about Kurt Marnul has been proved to be false. Reeves has never even met the guy. He was just trying to impress Arnold. Jeez, some people will believe anything they read. Yes Larry Scott took them but '65 and '66 is 20 YEARS LATER than when Reeves was competing and he has never said Reeves introduced dbol to him. You have no proof of anything you are writing. You seriously think Reeves started taking steroids in like 1944? You are an even bigger dumbass than I first thought.

[Farshad86]

where's the proof that what he stated was false? It could be true. Larry's, Sergio's & Marnul's testimonies are enough evidence for me & besides the quality of muscle he displays is beyond what the body is capable of producing through natural means. Steeve Reeves still had a valid reason to use them even after his competitive days was over because after he was done competing he crossed over to starring in movies. Wake up from your slumber !

[richardm80]

wow you really are naive. Please show me where Larry and Sergio said Reeves took steroids because I cannot find it anywhere. Strange that...

Have you seen Steve Reeves when he was 16/17? If you did then you would realise he did not take steroids. Steroids were not available in the 1940s anyway so your argument is invalid. Reeves was natural, simple as that. Just because YOUR body cannot produce that kind of muscle naturally, doesn't mean that Reeves couldn't.

[Farshad86]

Synthethic Testosterone E.g (cypionate, enathate, suspension, propionate) is basically an Anabolic Steroid. You need to do some research. Yes they were available in the 40's and Doctors readily prescribed them for body building purposes. It was a new thing and therefor bber's were good test subjects for observing the effects of testosterone in humans (bber's were used as guinea pigs).

[Farshad86]

Sergio, Larry & Marnul have no reason to lie. I believe them.

Alright Richard, I'm done discussing wih you. Belive what ever you want. Best of luck in body building or whatever your endeavour may be.

[richardm80]

LMAO, So Sergio, Larry & Marnul told you that Reeves took steroids did they? lol ye right. And Steroids were not available in the 1940s. You really need to read up on things. Steve Reeves was natural, simple as that.

[lazur1]

1/Scott's' "comments" : Non-existant. Prove otherwise if you can. 2/Sergio's quotes are all about what he's been told & what he assumed, no claims about witnessing or being told by Reeves. 3/Mamul's been thoroughly discredited, proven to have been 1,000s of miles away from where he needed to be to witness to his claims.4/ Since when does a 6'1" man , already -very- muscular by age16, need drugs to weigh a not-shredded 215Lb?

[Farshad86]

Just incidentally, what are your thoughts about George Eiferman? Do you believe he's natural as well?

215lbs is a lot of weight on a ectomorphic frame & especially combined with single digit bf allowing for striations in the deltoids and pectorals thus allowing for a rippling effect when you flex the muscles. Steve Reeves was indeed shredded in a couple of his pictures.

[lazur1]

1/George competed into the 60s makes it more likely that he used, but I've known 5'7' 195lbers w/ his leanness who did not. His current health makes it believeable that if he used, he didn't use much. 2/We disagree on 2 important details: A/Definition of ectomorph Doesn't fit Reeves at all, especially considering his impressive muscularity as a teen. Ectos have shoulders not much broader than their hips, & find it virtually impossible to put on muscle, 2 opposites of even a 16 yr-old Reeves.

[lazur1]

Change 'current healh' , to 'health in this this video'!

[lazur1]

B/ 'Shredded' refers to a level of definition / leanness that didn't exist until yrs later, just as the term didn't yet exist. 'Shredded' was coined to describe the next step after 'ripped':  Leanness + a dangerously unhealthy level of dehydration. Many modern ripped but -not- shredded BBers are leaner than Reeves, as can be seen in ab definition.

[lazur1]

Reeves' graceful poses can lead to him be mis-described as ecto . Search for old street pics of Reeves in a collared shirt, facing the camera straight-on: You'll see that in everyday terms he was an ultimate meso, his 18.25" neck, so 'long & slim' in poses, seen in everyday terms ,(along w/the rest of him), belongs to a very large-framed man.

[Farshad86]

OK, i agree.

But how do you explain this: there is a pic taken during the 60's in which Sipes is standing to the left, Arnold is in the middle and Steve is to his right. In that particular pic Steve clearly shows similar development as Arnold & Sipes. His legs, chest and shoulder width is almost in the same league as theirs. We know that Chuck Sipes & Arnold used drugs...

[lazur1]

On-line? Please direct me to it. SR didnt have a fully defined "six-pack", he never weighed over 215, while at least as tall as Arnold. Shoulder width technicly better, due to straightness & ratio to waist/hips,(AS has said so himself), legs technicly bettr: bettr proportn to uppr body & thighs bettr proprtn to calves, but his chest was flat compared to Arnold, (both rib-cage & pec-thicknss).  Sholdr thickns was in better porprtn to his uppr amr, but both were much smaller than AS.

[Farshad86]

watch?v=G0iouD5kJLA&feature=ch­annel_page

2:10

Arnold and Steve both had superb posture, i've seen photos of Arnold at age 15 - never seen anybody stand so straight.

[lazur1]

(The space after 'ch' confused me: I closed the space. That didn't work.) My "straighter shoulders" comment was not regarding posture, but rather, genetic lines of the clavicles & traps. Arnold is on record as thinking his own traps were too rounded, that he preferred Reeves'.

[Farshad86]

watch?v=G0iouD5kJLA&feature=ch­annel_page

Eliminated the space.

[lazur1]

Yeah, that's what I assumed it was, but it didn't work for me then & doesn't now.

[Farshad86]

Ok, the vid clip is entitled "Growing up with Arnold the icon" by another youtub:er "Jessedabody"

[lazur1]

Finally! Got the video, and I must disagree: Reeves looks like Reeves, perhaps even flatter & thinner than a few years earlier, (but yes, his shoulder -width- is superior to the other two), while Arnold looks like Arnold, much more massive than Steve in all body parts, except perhaps calves. if Arnold is 19 here, Steve is at least 40, out of BBing for at least 16 years, & spending virtually all of his time working his ranch. all the more reason to not be using.

[Farshad86]

Plus take into account that Steve was in the same atmosphere, so the influental factor from Arnold's side must have been great which increases the likelihood of Reeves having used steroids.

[lazur1]

Besides not competing since 1950, Reeves was a loner who was either making a movie or was back at his ranch. 60s Photos w/other BBers were moments in time, not reflective of his lifestyle in the least. Although Reeves chose not to be as public as Arnold, his personality was just as strong, if not stronger, not a man who was much influenced by anyone around him, certainly not the generation after him, (SR: b '26 / AS: b '47)

[Farshad86]

I am still of the opinion that Steve Reeves took Synthesized testosterone in the 40's & continued to use them, perhaps sporadically thruought the 50's and im pretty sure he was on them during the 60's

[lazur1]

As far as 50s&60s: Reeves did seem bigger after retiring from BBing, but he weighed the same, so literally, he wasn't. His ideas about posing were very different from others: He didn't 'pump' before posing, didn't contract hard the way most guys did , & favored poses that showed graceful lines rather than bunched-up mass. Thus he was actually more muscular-looking when 'walking around' or when a director asked him to pump-up for a scene, than he was when winning Mr Universe.

[lazur1]

Also , many scenes the 'Hercules' movies were shot w/Reeves next to the skinniest kids the director could find, to give Hercules the impression of great size.

[Farshad86]

And the pic in the company of Arnold et al, ferments my suspicions even more. Yes, i agree on the fact his symmetri was second to none, he was put together extremly well - exceptional insertion & balanced bp, favourable structure.

[Farshad86]

It's something about the dryness, texture & detail coupled with size of each bodypart on his physique e.g.(lats/serratus, seperation in arms, delt striations, quad seperation, pectoral development) that somehow tells me chemicals were involved. Like a person who is just in the beginning stage of a Steroid induced transformation, but without going all the way, stopping short on the border of becoming massively.muscular.

[lazur1]

Agree to disagree: Dryness is an aspect of shreddedness. Dorian a prime example: Even observers unfamilar w/BBing terms might call him 'dry'. I don't see the term as applicable to Steve, or even Arnold. The muscle Reeves gained from 16-24 was totally in-line w/natural maturation+training. (My friends & I all gained at least as much during those yrs.)To say that drug-free he'd have gained even less makes drug-free weight-training seem virtually useless, & we know this isn't the case.

[lazur1]

After 2yrs training, age18, Reeves was 203Lbs. He never competed over 216. To accuse Reeves of steroids is to say that training, nutrition, & maturation can't put another 13Lbs on an18yr-old in a 2yr+ period. Unfair: It's happening to natural trainees all the time. It just happens better on the Reeves frame. Reeves at 70+ was closer to competiton shape than Arnold at 58, Sergio at 60, or virtually any senior BBer aside from Jack LaLanne. Why? Because that's his essential physique.

[Farshad86]

I still believe he used ergogenic aid - namely test tabletts or injections.Nobody can prove the case and Steve Reeves vehemently denied having used AAS until the end.But we have to think for ourselves.Look at Leroy Colbert for instance,he competed between 1951 to 1954, several yrs before Steroids 'officially' said to appear-yet he looks to be juiced to the gills :-) Hence the guy whom i answered to first is probably bang on,Testosterone has been used by physical culture practitioners for 70yrs.

[lazur1]

I haven't seen early Colbert pics, only promo shots from mid60s. Was he already that big in '51? He was tall, & the rest of him wasn't as 'good' as his arms. There's been some sort of test use since,(at the latest), the19th cent, & refined androstenone as far back as '31, so there's no 'sure thing': Perhaps Sandow ate raw bull's testicles. Fact is Reeves' muscularity's equalled, naturally, by many. It's his structure that makes him exceptional, & that can't be altered w/ drugs.

[lazur1]

I looked up Colbert. For what it's worth: 1/ He wasn't as tall as I thought. 2/ He still denies 'vehemently',(good word!), ever using. 3/ He claims to've achieved his max, 20.5" upper arms, (pumped), in '58, the same yr a -lot- of BBers suddenly got bigger. 4/ He's still -very- big, (tho admittedly not so lean). 5/His last competiton was at 21,(perhaps even only 20),yrs old, but trained heavy many more years to promote his supplements. Seems like he might've been 'clean' before '58.

[lazur1]

Upon looking further into the "Colbert Files", I've found a pic of the 16 yr-old Leroy which makes me believe he grew most, if not all, of his muscle naturally.

[lazur1]

Can we agree that Reeves was :1/ Quite muscular & lean @16, 2/ After 2yrs training, @18, a drug-free solid 203Lbs, while still a -bit- less than his full adult height. If so, what do you believe would've been his best gains naturally over the next 2yrs of hard training? To me,13Lbs in 24months between ages 18 & 20 seems like a fairly conservative gain for a dedicated traineee. What would you have accepted?

[ridleyrockets]

Colbert was just too big for his time to give him the benefit of the doubt. 20 inch arms just don't happen naturally. There are guys in the olympia now who don't even hit 20 in the off season with all the drugs they want.

[Farshad86]

His arms look very good, they resembled those of Arnold - great peak! He had tremendous potential, but his career was cut short by a motorcycle accident when he was just 21.

Arnold had those kind of arms at age 18-19 and it's commonly accepted that he was already taking Steroids at that point and a 16 y/o Leroy had a more developed musculature than an 18 y/o Arnold, so it goes without saying. I just can't figure out exactly what could have been available to him so far back in time.

[heyguesswatURSTUPID]

hey asshole! he wasn't on steroids!

[heyguesswatURSTUPID]

that my friends grandpa your talking about.

[gragrn]

Obviously they were meant to be together. Sometimes life just gets in the way. I'm glad this love story had a happy ending. I hope I look half as good as George did at his age. One of the all time greats!

[hulkout666]

George Eiferman is a perfect example of what a real bodybuilder should look like! His body was fantastic, not like all the disgusting steroid bodies you see nowadays. George Eiferman, Steve Reeves, Reg Park, Marvin Eder, etc. They were the best ever!

[moscatelo]

how sad he's dead, he was built like an ox even at old age

[lex3408]

Its cute, but a little shady lol.