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  • If the four horsemen of the apocalypse were to ride up on me today, I'd tell them, "Fuck you and the horses you road in on". Also, I think that the word 'apocalypse' should be changed. I should be pronounced 'cock on your lips'. Thank you. :)

  • @primordialblade487 by the time you got the word fuck out of your mouth death will of already consumed you alive my friend.

  • By the last breath of the fourth winds blow

    Better raise your ears

    The sound of hooves knocks at your door

    Lock up your wife and children now

    It's time to wield the blade

    For now you have got some company

    The Horsemen are drawing nearer

    On the leather steeds they ride

    They have come to take your life

  • did u make that urself? cuz its fricken epic +1 thumbs up

  • waa, are you being sarcastic?

    because those are the lyrics to metallica's four horsemen song

  • @Frances3654 YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS­SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

    

  • lmao did he say stupider? wtf

  • There is an 80% chance that the War with Iran will be started by Bush before he leaves office. McCain will gladly inherit that War or eagerly start it himself.

  • oops, I guess you are another nutty left wing nut who has is all wrong. Obama is butchering the economy. Thx for your vote of substantialy negative value.

  • TAXtheAtheist: Too bad you don't know anything. I did not say anything about Obama. To me Republicans and Democrats are both molded from the same pile of excrement. Bush did such a great work on the economy that Obama has decided to continue the same. As to war Obama is even more aggressive than Bush and will soon occupy Pakistan with the excuse of safeguarding the nuclear stockpile in Pakistan.

  • I don't know anything? I know you are wrong about your 80% statistic. You are also wrong on atheism. Obama is a tyrant.

  • If a candidate had a Muslim extremist advising him to bomb Israel, it'll be front page news.

    But a whole brood of Jewish Zionists wanting war against Muslims (for America's sake, ofcourse), then that's fine.

  • Romney is the best candidate by far in either party. The rest are just going through the motions until he's elected.

  • "Romney is the best candidate by far in either party. The rest are just going through the motions until he's elected."

    Sure. What's his position on abortion today? Gay rights? Universal healthcare? Torture? Helping the poor?

    If you mean he would pander to the interest groups of either party, then I might agree.

  • Screw the Jimmy Stewart impersonator, he's not dealing in reality!

  • Thanks for the great material - your channel is by far my favorite on Youtube

  • I have nothing against this candidate but jsut look at him, he looks old an he does nto look like a taugh guy!A president has to look younger and taugher then him.I have doubts that America will vote for him unless they ae desperate!

  • You have nothing against this candidate? What about all the things this video just pointed out?

    The look of a president? OMG, Does George Bush look tough? Good heavens, does anyone running for president look tough? Has any past president's looked tough? I'm for the least toughest looking person of them all... Ron Paul!

  • "We must bomb Iran to protect my Israel"

  • Lets start thinking for ourselves and stop listening to large cable media propaganda!!! Beware that the one's claiming to know everything probably doesn't (Bill maher, Bill Oreilly, Keith olbermann, Glenn Beck). These are all the spokes people who are set up to sell us lies to the American people. The truth will come out if we all try!!!

    Check out Ron Paul on google!!!

  • great video

  • Ron Paul supporters have gotta be the stupidest bunch of fat Star Trek virgins on the planet. That whiny noodle-head has 1% of the vote. Capt. James T Kirk has a greater chance of becoming the gop nominee than Ron Paul.

    Here's another impossible task you can waste your energy on-get all the RP fans together and build a big human pyramid-if we're lucky it'll collapse and you'll all die.

  • Say that to me man in man. I will be happy to rip you head off, and shove it up your ass.

  • Ahahaha, relax fatty e-thug, trash-talking on the internet doesn't make you cool.

    Why am I even responding, you're backing the runt of the candidates that no on will remember a year from now. That makes you a bigger loser than your boy RP. lol

  • Ron Paul has won every online poll after every debate. Ron Paul has won most of the straw polls. His doubles his money every quarter. He has more members in his meet up groups than any other candidate. He is number # 1 on Youtube & Google video. He raised more money from the military than any other candidate.

  • Does anybody think that it mathematically possible that Ron Paul really has only 1% support; given his internet buzz? I find it really hard to believe myself.

  • Yes, we should endeavor to only support the candidates that we are told are the front runners. Please people, suspend your reason until after Nov. '08. Do as your told. Be good and play nice. Your television is speaking now, please shut up and listen.

  • these advisers are some scary evil motherfuckers

  • No war for Israel!

  • How do you know these are his advisors?

  • Considering his base following on the internet (mostly young people/college students), $100 is shooting way too high.

  • Thank you for this information. It does not suprise me. NeoCon fascist sociopaths speak for themselves but this needs to be shared.

  • A very well presented video of the Nut-jobs that inhabit the political scene. Now Im Frightened.

    Oh wait, I almost forgot.

    Im Voting for RON PAUL.

  • Thanks for very astute video!

  • More evidence -- for those who actually still need more -- that Rudy is unfit for office.

    RP 08 FTW

  • Such a good video that I am now a subscriber to your channel! everyone else should do the same.

  • Such a good video that I am now a subscriber to your channel! everyone else should do the same.

  • Did you all know that GHOULiani's law firm represents Chavez, Fox News, Saudi Arabia, and the Cintra, the Spanish firm that has been granted the right to operate a toll road in the Trans-Texas Corridor (TTC) project (Amero super highway)?

  • Ya, um, no. Vote Republican.

  • Yeah. Four more years of war, of legalized torture, of the Constitution being shredded, of reproductive rights vanishing, etc., etc.

  • U SAY NOW TOO MUCH

  • wow, scary stuff.

    I noticed two names from the now infamous 'Project for the New American Century'.

    We know what kind of republicans these guys are.

    What are the chances TPM will ever report favorably on Ron Paul?

    Hopefully better than the chances that Giuliani will refrain from mentioning 9/11 for the duration of his campaign.

  • "Stupider than your average rock".

    Yup..that about sums him up.

  • Just when you think we couldn't do worse than Bush...

    GO RON PAUL!

  • So what do you think about the millions of muslims in Iran who regularly have hate rallies shouting "Death to America/Israel", their regime promises our destruction and are working to develop nukes, are carrying out a proxy war against us, killing/US soldiers, kidnapping our nationals, etc?

    Did you know that the muslim perps of 9/11 are called the 'Magnificent 19' in the muslim world? Or that its a part of their religion to wage war against humanity until the world is ruled by Islam?

  • How about the fact that the Taliban shoot school girls in the back because they don't want them to have an education? Or that under Islamic law (sharia) you could be killed for leaving or refusing to join Islam? Or that muslims worship a mass-murdering pedophile? I'm barely scratching the surface-see the blogs in my profile to learn more. We are in WW3 against Islam, whether you liberals want to accept reality or not. Islam is a fascist Arab supremacist death cult, its today's Nazism.

  • Hahahahahahhahhhahahahahah. Extremist Islam is hardly the threat we faced from the comies or the Nazis. America will never be destroyed from an outside power, only from the inside will she crumble, and neo-conservative sobs like you are making that happen. Regan is rolling in his grave right now. Where is the gipper when we need him??????

  • catfish-it took only 19 muslims (of the 1.5 billion) to kill 3000 Americans, it'd only take a few dozen muslims with suitcase nukes to kill countless millions more and destroy this country. Our Islamic enemies have made their hatred of the USA and their intention to destroy us very clear. If a gang beat you up and threatened to kill you and your family once they got some guns, will you laugh it off or do something about it? What will it take liberals to accept that we're in WW3 against Islam?

  • First of, it's not even 19. I think 3 of the supposed 19 are still alive and going about their daily business (check the news). One of them is actually a pilot. You are funnier than Romeny's latest ad. If you want Iranians to call down then we need to leave them the fuck alone and normalize relations. WW3???? Damn!!! They played your butt pretty well. Ext. Islam is a scarecrow to scare the shit outta people...WAKE UP, READ (ALL kinds of books)

  • obm-you "think" 3 are still alive, based on the good word of conspiracy theorists right? I don't want Iranians to calm down, I want them to die-referring to those millions who wish to destroy us and are working on that goal as we speak.

    Yes I'm about to take the word of a muslim, the people we're at war with. Buddy, you're lucky most of our population is as ignorant of Islam as the imbeciles on this board-otherwise we'd be deporting muslims by the boatload.

  • americaownz - why are you such a scared little person?

    iranians don't want you to die. i know because i am an iranian who has many relatives who are living in iran.

    as much as i dislike and look down on your ignorance and bigotry, i do not want you to die.

    come out of the basement and start learning a little about the world from sources outside of the xenophobe box that has been created for you.

  • runn-I clearly referred to the muslim Iranians who want to bring down the US. I have no problem with 85% of Iranians who want democracy, love the West and are oppressed by the same regime that's trying to destroy us. Assuming you're one of those, we're on the same side and have the same goal. But you should understand that America will consider its own safety first. I'm an advocate of a strike on Iran's nuke facilities and democratization with regime change.

  • as mentioned before, you are scared.

    as bad as ahmadinejad is domestically, he has never said he wants to destroy america or americans. that is pure nonsense.

    also, you should note that iranians do not want anyone striking their country or forcing a regime change. doesn't matter if the iranians hate ahmadinejad or not. we have seen what regime change has done in iraq.

  • runn-my mistake, I thought when Ahab and his evil minions shouted "Death to America, we'll destroy the 'Great Satan' (us) and wipe Israel off the map" he actually meant it. Phew, I'm glad to know I have it on YOUR word that he means us no harm. haha

    And fyi, our country is being threatened by the leaders of your country. If they don't represent you, clean your house or we'll do it for you. Anyone that wants to take on America will get what they deserve.

  • shouting "death to america" is a slogan which holds no power in action. these lines are much like comments made by people like ann coulter who say ridiculous things like: "all muslims should be rounded up"

    you keep repeating that your country is being threatened. when was the US threatened by iran? because a couple of people said: "death to america" you're getting scared? that's your reason?

    why are you so scared?

  • runn-another Islamofascist telling us not to worry while his comrades scream for American blood and are preparing our destruction. You're talking to the wrong person, the cowardly braindead idiots who are ready to suck terrorist cock are in the Liberal camp. When WW3 breaks out, we'll be hunting down both the muslims and the leftist dhimmi traitors and enemy-sympathizers. The Nazis talked about wiping out the Jews-we ignored it and ended up in WW2. History apes itself.

  • AO - "islamo fascist" - you're quite the slogan man.

    is this what fear has done to you? it has turned you into a blabbering scared little boy?

    let this be a lesson to everyone. this is what happens when you lock yourself in the basement and watch foxnews and masturbate to that man, ann coulter.

  • runn-your posts are nothing but empty rhetoric and ad hominem attacks while mine have substance. Who do you think comes off more credible?

    And fyi, I got nothing to fear being in the most powerful nation on earth. You have everything to fear if you or your family lives in Iran since its about to get an American boot rammed up its ass.

    Everyone, check out my fav vids to see what our Islamofascist enemy is all about (in their own words). You'll see everything I've said here is bang on.

  • First of, I am agnostic.

    Secondly, check the BBC's website and google it...I'm wasting my time...If you were at war with who??? If you were at war with the Muslims, you'd stand no chance..but whatever, I'm probably talking to a god-humpin, evangelist idiot. I hope you

    drown in your stupidity. ADIOS!

  • obm-yes another agnostic who's pretending to be a muslim, or is it the other way around? lol Clearly you've been sucking on the shisha too hard brother terrorist. Its not 700AD where hordes of sword-wielding muslim savages can decimate a country.

    In modern warfare numbers mean nothing. The US/NATO kill ratio is 300 (ragheads) to 1 (soldier). Taliban/AQ "holy warriors" are target practice and cannon fodder for our troops. Don't kid yourself, in an all out war muslims will be annihilated.

  • What do you know about the Sharia? What do you know about Islam?? The Taliban? Do you even know what the word means??? They don't even constitute 0.2 % of muslims...I'm wasting my time with this shit.

    Peace out and please, do me a favor and stay as ignorant as you are, cause you're doing such a diservice to this great country and proving my point!

  • obm-may your suicide belt explode prematurely, happy trails.

  • Great work, spot on! Now get sack and hillary... didn't think so!

  • spot on

  • This may seem impossible....

    ...but if we can rally 100,000 Ron Paul supporters to donate $100 each on November 5th (10 million unbacked federal reserve notes)....well this equals more than 10 million dollars worth of main stream media 'shock and awe'.

    Talk it up.

    Rally the troops.

    The constitution is worth it.

    Possible.

    Remember remember ;)

    Do it!

  • i cant believe we are even in this situation. why dont people stop watchin sports and celebrities and wake up to the ass rapin the elites are givin us. RON PAUL will save us

  • Guiliani scared me before I saw this video, now, he terrifies me. Please share this with all of your non-crazy republican friends.

  • Rudy is batshit, and his team will tip us into decades of horror

  • Also something to consider is that all 4 of those mentioned above are staunch zionists and therefore do not even regard the U.S. as THEIR country. They are ringers for another war mongering nation that has been fighting muslims for thousands of years.

  • Judging by the majority of comments I've read here, Josh, I have to come to the conclusion that your country is doomed. Those who advocate rampant ignorance and corporate facism are winning this "culture war." I suggest getting as far away from the Unites States as you can. When that sinking ship finally goes, it's going to be violent and messy.

  • suicide bombers occurr in coutries that have an occupying force ruling over a native population...a study on this subject has proven this truism.

  • I wish idiots like you would wake to find your skull has been crushed like the pecan under my boot. Death to American fascists.

  • It's amusing that his handle is "comstock1964." If you're not familiar with Anthony Comstock, look him up on Wikipedia.

  • Yee, hah! Gotta go shoot up them Islamofascists! None of these morons ever figured out that Islam is a religion and fascism is a socio-political ideology.

    Santayana's Maxim: Those that do not study history are doomed to repeat it.

    Schrader's Corollary: Those that study history are doomed to stand by and watch it be repeated in real time.

  • The Squonk's Corollary: Those who repeat themselves are doomed.

  • Okay, but my point is that these wingnuts present arguments based not on fact but on presumptions and unsupported assertions. This is how the folks Hitler surrounded himself with thought, and this is the history to which I refer.

  • MS-to address your post as a 'wingnut', in fact Islam is both a religion (death cult) as well as a socio-political ideology as you stated. Sharia law governs both the political and personal sphere. The muslim world has never had their own Enlightenment period, ie-seperation of church/state like we did in the West. Hence Islam remains as barbaric as it was 1400 yrs ago (like christianity was 300 yrs ago).

  • I fear that your understanding of Islam is as limited as most Westerners, mine included. Although I have studied a small amount of the theology of Islam as part of comparative religion, I have little knowledge of how the practitioners actually apply Sharia (or any other set of rules) to their lives. However, I am fairly certain your assertion that Islam is a "death cult" would be soundly trounced in a debate with any knowledgeable person.

  • MS-don't pretend to speak for me-unlike you, I've done my research before stating my opinion on it.

    So you just admitted you know nothing about Islam, but you're "fairly certain" I'm wrong its not a death cult.

    How'd you arrive at that conclusion, by reaching a higher state of enlightenment that came from swallowing your dog's cum?

  • The example of Hitler is so multi-faceted and complex, that I think the comparison not useful. I appreciate the sentiment, but using Hitler's horrific example too often leaves us inured. Theories of evil geniuses, man's stupidity or savage nature, etc take the focus off what we need to pay attention to now-- car bombs, media, profiteering, oil, drugs, diamonds, arms, and nuclear shake downs, mismanaged economies... all the con games.

  • Yeah, I know that bringing Hitler or Nazis into any argument usually slams the door on further productive discussion, but the parallels are undeniable in this case. 2007 USA resembles 1938 Germany in so many ways that it's scary.

    What's really scary is guys telling Rudy that the *only* way to bring about peace is to go to war. Say, what?!? That's like saying...oh, you know the rest of the drill.

  • I'll say this: It might be scarey, but don't be scared. Like worry, it does not help anything. Write down what America should do (if anything), how it should be done (if anything), and most importantly, why. Figure out what you can do personally to make it happen, captain. Forget the ghoulish Germans of 1939, and their fortune tellers. It's written somewhere: "The truth will set you free."

  • thats what i call journalism,

    fuck fox news and the rest of them which no longer do what they supposed to do

  • Did they ever? If so, when?

    Anyways, Giuliani will not win because one of 2 things will happen. IF he gets the nomination, Hilary will win, although she's not much better, OR, Ron Paul will win against Hilary. That is my prediction, and I am betting on the latter of the 2.

  • Excellent analysis. I'm going to check out your other videos because I'd like to see this done for other candidates in the Republican/Democratic/Independ­ent camps.

  • It'd be interesting to see who advises Hillary Clinton...

  • You want to see something about Hilary? This is the best to date about her. Google this.

    Hillary! Uncensored - Banned By The Media

  • INSANE. Forward to everyone!

  • Ha! What a surprise!

    When is that the American People will ever wake up?

  • "the Uruguay Round ...the most ambitious

    trade negotiation of our century, will give

    birth ... to the World Trade Organization,

    the third pillar of the New World Order,

    along with the United Nation" Gov of Morocco

    CFR: Thompson Rockefeller Gore Romney Obama

    Giuliani Edwards HClinton

    "The CFR Controls American Media" 5min

    USA Fraud voting: Diebold ES&S Chuck

    Hagel Jeff Dean

  • Should theyn arrest the whole ghetto if one black man commits a crime? Should they close down Wall Street if 1 guy does insider trading?

  • You're missing the point. Suicide bombings aren't about the one man who blows himself up. They are more about the machine behind the man. Consider how brainwashed the bomber is by the time he suicides. Consider how proud his family is of him. I agree that taking out an entire village is unacceptable, but seriously digging into the bomber's family, political and religious ties is not.

  • you made a very good point, as horrible as it is

  • So, Hillary's right: It does take a village.

  • That I agree. He should be tracked back to the roots of his problem. But to wipe out an entire population for what one person did, that is wrong. Only the guilty should be punished and not another person.

  • yes-if the whole ghetto is responsible for assisting that black criminal. If you read any scholarship on this, you'll find that supporting, harboring suicide bombers is generally a community effort-so the suicide bomber's village deserves to be destroyed also. Plus its a powerful deterrent.

    When your aim is to win a war, you take the fight to the enemy. This is how the Allied forces finally crushed Nazism. Entire German neighborhoods/towns were bombed where Nazi snipers hid.

  • It is not a community effort. These people are usually very secretive. There are spies all around and they would never sound the alarm. The community are usually supportive of suicide bombing as an ideology but they would never know if they have one in their backyard.

  • preet-opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one. You have a vivid imagination, but I'll stick to reading historians, scholars and people who actually have real world/war experience.

    You're fully of shit and your posts are boring, aimless and spammy, like in the other video, which why I gave up trying to have a discussion with you.

  • Imagination? D

  • ude, sad to hear that you have given up talking. You want to read on Arab-sreali conflict: Read Yitzhack Rabin, Golda Meir, Moshe Dayan, Bassam Abu Sharrif, Ahmad Ismael Ali and the Jackal. Get their experiences, and get their picture. Boring my post may be, but I never bullshit it.

  • preet-I'm sure you're a decent, well-read individual, but I find your meandering posts tedious, just not my style. Nothing personal bud. :)

  • Sorry Bud, can't fit all styles. Try to anyway. Peace.

  • Secondly, Allies did not win the world war in Europe by bombing cities, they won it by tactics. Administrations like JFK and Margaret Tatcher's have gone as far as to apologise for unnecessary extensive bombings like that on Dresden, Tokyo and Hiroshima. The Geneva convention does not allow that either. To win a war, you got to do many things, bombing and inflaming emotions is not necessarily 1 of them.

  • Haven't you heard: the ghetto always protect its own kind. So I am very disturbed by your thinking that it is OK to wipe them off if they have a criminal living among them... It is the same as Hitler potrayng the Jews as evil just because he was turned down by four Jews when he wanted to enter Vienna Institute of Fine Arts.

  • superb reporting.

  • great video

  • Jesus is the devil in disguise have you ever even read Armageddon. Jesus wants you to worship him over GOD. He says he is the only way into heaven and I say bullshit he was satan in disguise to lure you into his world

  • I am wondering how long it will be before the world wakes up and knows who I am.

  • A crazy crazy person?

  • Great video.

  • Excellent stuff.

  • Rudy won't get elected. We've had actors in the white house who "acted" tough and people bought it, but still no 3-times-married transvestite.

  • As for the concept of socialised medicine, I think this shold be decided by states and not by government. Because this is really a local American matter and only they should decide it.

  • Regarding Guliani and the other politicians, it does not matter who they are or are advised by, it matters who they are being backed by. He is supported by the very companies that GWB is. It is for that reason alone he is surging far ahead in the Rep. polls. However his base is rocking right now with the ultra right wanting to pull the plug out of him, I doubt he may even get the ticket....

  • Entertaining, nice big finish... like a "talk soup" for the middle east; really takes the focus off Iran's and almost forget their Republican Guard, and the internal politics of there. Takes the focus off the fact that these governments make energy policy for the world, even if futures markets set prices. But it's nice to see the name calling, simple version to remind us how little Americas need to know.

  • Fortunately Rudy the charlatan won't get elected but regarding Iran's Republican Guards (paasdaar), I was there when the organization was created. You know who the paasdaar's were? 18 to 25 year old boys, religious and sympathetic to the Islamic regime. 90% were extremely moral and dedicated, 10% were overly fanatic and bullying. 29 yrs later they're 47 to 55 and have positions in gov. New Guards are the same, not monsters but devoted, somewhat fanatic soldiers but still morally high.

  • Well, Holy Shiite! You seem bright. I agree, they are "devoted". Yet, there's proof that some send Saudi kids to die in truck bombs by remote(unknowingly). The Guard are surely the most "talented" operators in the Gulf. The US embassy in Beirut showed this on April 18, 1983 (63 died) and, and later the US barracks (241 marines), the largest nonnuclear explosion since World War II. Is it true that cab drivers won't stop for clerics in Iran today?

  • The Beirut bombings was probably done by Syrians or Palestinian refugees. Guards usually have 1 goal "To help and save Palestinians". Other acts are usually commited by one of many other groups in that area. The last bombing mess by Israel is being repaired by Guards for people, free. Mollahs have been hated by 90% of Iranians since 1980 but they've stayed in power by force.

  • Holy Shiite! You seem like a bright guy, and yes many Guard are "devoted". But some send mixed up Saudi kids to die in truck bomb by remote (unknowingly). They are also very skilled, as was shown at the America Embassy in Beirut on April 18, 1983 (63 died), and later at the marine barracks (killed 241). It was the biggest bomb since WW2. Is it true cab drivers will not pick up clerics in Iran now?

  • Regarding suicide bombings and anti-american military actions, both are very "None-Iranian-like". Iranians, even Guards don't use "desperate" tactics, Arabs do, Guards are against western military presense in the Middle-east (as 90% of the world) but they're not fundamentally against America as a whole.

  • It's an often confusing and difficult political scene. Everything is not always as it seems. These conditions keep millions destitute, or swapping guns, drugs, oil, and con games rather than building, maintaining, trading and actually "pursuing life, liberty and happiness", as they say. This clown's video "reporting" doesn't help matters where he replaces insult for understanding about the places, players and problems in the Middle east or America.

  • Go Rudy and Norman and yes Iran is next.

  • Rudy dumb as rock, check. Advised by hysterically firghtened warmongers, check.

  • Dear me.  I thought Rudy was more centrist. Guess I was wrong.

  • Yup great work , keep it up !

  • If that nutbag gets the White House, we are sooooooooo screwed!!

  • When are you guys going to finally endorse Ron Paul?  There's no better candidate.

  • OMG - this Podhertz is a psycho! He's like some neo-prophet of doom from the movies who wants to bring about the end of the world. All hail the internet that i get this info while surfin' at work. Thanks Veracifier, TPM and Josh!

  • Great information. Not that I think Rudy will EVER get in the oval office.

  • YOU GUYS ROCK!!!! I LOVE YOUR WORK! Are you hiring recent grads?

  • great work guys

  • I love my TPMtv. The commentary keeps getting better and better.

    This is some scary shizz.

  • rudy doesn't have enough time in international politics to run this country

  • Podhoretz and his Iran rant are already obsolete.

    Vlad the Impaler still has an SS-18 or two he can target for the Upper East Side.

    Someone shut him the fuck up.

  • If a certain Supreme Court Justice, who "borrowed" $5 from Norm back in '60s, returns it, will Pod-man go back to being a liberal?

  • TPM!! TPM!! TPM!!

    For Liberty!

  • Excellent as always and quite frightening that people can vote for someone and not know them at all- Ron Paul is the answer!

  • I hear Hillary is getting tough about Iran too.

  • I am a Republican, but I'm actaully guessing, now that I listen to Ron Paul, I am a "constitutionalist" more than anything, less government, more self accountability. Fuck, I wish RP could get the Repub ticket, Rudy sucks...I dont want to pay for more war, neither do I want to pay for more "social programs" dems will bring us

  • Democrats don't believe in 'social programs' anymore. Republicans build up the deficit, increase government, while Democrats follow the script and destroy social programs (Clinton is perfect example of the new right-wing Democrat). Democrats are for transferring money in programs that help people into corporate subsidies. If there was a "big government" Democrat I might vote for him/her but they're a very rare breed.

  • are you serious? what is Socialized Healthcare? that's not a social program??? The whole reason the mid class is worrying about their healthcare is simple: they've been paying for EVERYONE else's healthcare that they receive, which in turn pushes up the Middle Class's price b/c noone else is paying (and someone ALWAYS pays for it). so the dems have fooled the mid class into thinking THEY need the free healthcare too, which will also cost $...who will pay for that?

  • Socialized medicine is a system in which doctors/hospitals work for & draw salaries from government. Can you name one Democrat who supports that (besides continuing it within the Veterans Administration & Armed Services)? The ONLY Dem candidate supporting single-payer is Kucinich, who calls for socialized financing not socialized medicine (the former they have in Australia & Canada, not to be confused with the socialized medicine system in UK, Spain, US military) Other Dem health care proposals

  • ...are state subsidies to pharmaceutical companies, which fits in with Clinton program to siphon social spending into corporate subsidies. He did the same with welfare. Took money helping the poor and gave it to companies that hired former welfare recipients, with no overview. Health care crisis is not as simple as you seem to suggest by a long shot. Since UTube isnt conducive to long posts I'll suggest the FAQ section of Physicians for National Health Program page if interested in different pov

  • well if they're being PAID by the government, would you not call that WORKING for the government? And the doctors/hospitals will NOT treat you as well as they used to when they were getting paid hundreds of thousands instead of all the "Free Healthcare" money which will be small in comparison, that's a FACT of human nature....argue that

  • if you got paid less $ to do the same job now, HOW does that benefit America? When they get paid less, they pay less taxes, which leads to having to tax other people MORE to even it out, which will fall right into the fastly dwindling middle class lap

  • I'm not sure why you're being combative since I certainly have not been. lol If you want to exchange ideas that's fine with me. If you don't then I don't have to stick around. 'Socialized medicine' and 'socialized financing' of private not-for-profits are very different in how they're organized. I gave you a Very rich source of information with the PNHP website.

  • What? What are talking about? Every developped nation on the planet has free healthcare. Try to get rid of universal healthcare and the French middle class will burn you alive. M.C paying for everyone else's healthcare? That's an absurd statement: if u're not covered, u don't get treated!

  • And every developed nation on the planet is facing economic collapse as the baby boomer generation reaches retirement age. Health care costs have increased 10X since 1960 (40X if one doesn't adjust for inflation). This is because health care has been increasingly subsidized by government in the last 4 decades. Every other industry has seen its costs get lower and lower, and it's quality skyrocket, because the government hasn't been subsidizing and managing it.

  • While all products and services get cheaper each year thanks to the advancment of technology, health care costs rise at twice the rate of inflation each year. This is similar to education, another industry where government is heavily involved.

    The only job of government is to protect liberty, not to collect, ration and redistribute resources.

  • So Schooling, Heathcare, public safety...should not be in the hands of the government (assuming it is functioning well)? Healthcare is SUBSIDIZED? It's pretty simple, we need to have access to free healthcare and EVERYONE should ship in. If we don't have free healthcare an open marketplace is not possible (Transaction cost is 2 high).

  • Public safety should be in the hands of the government, because it relies on coercion, and coercion should be socialized to ensure the impartiality of justice. EVerything else, including schooling and healthcare, should be in the hands of individuals, as that drives costs down. If you socialize it, that means doctors can charge as much as they want since consumers (the average person), doesn't care what the doctor charges.

  • and by 'public safety', I'm assuming you're referring to criminal justice, the police, courts, etc.

  • Yep, that's right. Why do you keep calling stuff that's in the hands of the government socialized? Socialized means organized under the principles of socialism, is that what you mean? cause that puts in another ballgame.

  • I call it socialized because the costs are distributed equally but the benefits are distributed on a needs basis (so someone may pay 10X more than someone else even though they use the service half as much).

  • Dude, you're not only exagerating the costs but also making short sighted calculations (short term). You have to take into account the consequences of not having a healthy pop, the toll a epidemic can have on the country (epidemic can be avoided by having regular check ups which requires one, today, to have insurance)...I'm not a fan of Hayek and Co. as you can probably tell. But you could maybe check out "the great transformation" by Karl Polanyi.

    Tx for the exchange though!

  • I'm not exaggerating the costs, I'm using hyperbole to convey my point that the costs are not fair. Yes you're right that there are other benefits that come from having a healthy population, but I don't believe those benefits are nearly enough to justify the coercion (taxes) and government management needed to distribute health services to the population for free. I think in the long run health care costs will decline and quality will improve more quickly with free market health care.

  • and therefore in the long run the population will be MORE healthy with free market health care.

  • Free market SUPERefficiency is a myth. It does not exist man. We have to always be making sure that it does not destroy itself or us. Free market is stupid beast that never learn from its mis