ok humm that's not how a naginata is supposed to be used, at 0:44the use of kicks is unappropriate for a pole-arm. but for a kata without any basis: good, but I would go without the kiai
Often times when people train, they slowly drift away from the basis on reality, with the feeling of "well, I'll probably never use this in real life anyway," And in many cases traditional martial arts schools have become useless moneymaking systems that simply teach gymnastics and vague theories with no fact behind them.
HOWEVER, there are still plenty of good traditional martial artists out there who 'get it!'
We need to understand that martial arts were 100% "reality based" when they were created. of course, they are outdated in the sense that not many people carry naginata around with them :/
So, should we keep the tradition, or the purpose? While "fighting" is not the only focus of martial arts, we do need to constantly think about what will REALLY benefit you as far as defense. (learning traditional weapons, I think, is totally cool,but not necessarily practical)
just my personal opinion But it is interesting BUT As a Fellow Naganatist i can see many things in this video that to the training i revived from my Japanese Sensei Mikato i would find wrong and incorrect on many levels.
but i do acknowledge there are different styles adapted by different countries.
While it seems excessive, I think her bowing was appropriate. She bowed before entering the demonstration/tournament area - she bows before approaching the judges, again after addressing the judges, and before beginning her form. I agree that it seems like a lot of bowing, but after watching it, they were all appropriately placed (imo).
Jumping around with a naginata and twirling it about does not make this naginatajutsu. I am sure this person is sincere. It is too bad her teachers are misleading her.
@SanSuMartialArts the Naginata is originally a battelfield weapon so in that sense it was not a "female" weapon... however what you have read is true in the sense that over time it has been favored by women due to its long reach. And it is true that if you ask to a random Japanese person they will tell you that it is for women ; ) But this is only what the perception is nowadays... In the old days the naginata was used on the battlefield by men.
she literally is putting more effort into just swinging it around infront of judges, rather than watching her form...i mean you could blame it on nervousness or that the thing weighs a ton but from this performance it makes me feel like i can grab a naginata and swing it around yelling and win at this competetion!
Absolutely no spirit. She has physical technique, but it looks like a dance rountine. When you wield a weapon, anyone watching should get the total and complete idea you could kill someone at any moment with it.
Oddly enough, I was there in person at this tournament, so it's a bit odd finding it on youtube. I was literally standing right behind the camera during her kata. That guy holding his jo at the beginning is my friend.
A chance that I read information to see that it is not a naginataka! It's ok if she doing this for fun but... Her movements of are not good. And why she shouts? I do not want to be unpleasant but I'm practicing naginata and I do not like to see that people deforms a discipline! Forgive me for my poor english!
the shout is Kiai - spirit. And the weapon IS a naginata. though you are right, the movements need a lot of work. There is no control of the blade, it seems to swing too far around, like she is struggling to stop it where it should be, and the techniques would only lead to her death if she tried them in battle.
A chance that I read information to see that it is not a naginataka! Good idea if she makes that for the fun but... in other case! Her movements are not good. And why she shouts? I do not want to be unpleasant but I'm practicing naginata and I do not like to see that people deforms a discipline! Forgive me for my english!
Sorry, one more thing I noticed. Is she making sound effects for her moves? I feal like I am watching power rangers. It also looks like shes falling into her stances as opposed to moving into them.
As the kata progressed it got worse and worse. I'm not sure what that little vertical cut she constantly makes is suppose to be either. I hope it isn't her furikaeshi.
Im a noob to whatever you ppl are talking about, and this vid. and I don't even know if what she did was the proper way of doing it, but it doesn't seem very "solid" her movements and transitions seem, "weak", but shrug, what do I know.
By your tone and attitude towards kata, I can tell you are around yellow or green belt level, and haven't had the responsibility of teaching a martial arts class. Useless things become very useful when your perspective changes.
I felt much the same - until I became an instructor. Then you realize how useful it is at teaching the components that students need to master before moving on. Now BUNKAI, now THATS a waste of time.
Sorry to say, but did you really became an instructor with such an attitude toward kata? I don't get you, have you learning been a martial art or only hitting your opponent?
@sthetx Japanese and Okinawan martial arts are made up of kata, bunkai, and randori. Bunkai is the application of Kata. Without bunkai, kata practice is meaningless. Without bunkai, self-defense situations become street fights and who can hit the hardest.
Kata set the body into motion, bunkai form the action of the hands and feet, and randori is putting it against real life resistance.
What you said is true (and thanks for posting). But I've seen so much bastardization (or interpretation that serves themselves) of bunkai that I really have a distaste for it anymore. When someone teaches bunkai, they are influenced by their own art, and will see that art in it. A striking art will see strikes, a grappling art will see locks or throws. Bunkai can be useful, provided it it is taught as one of many possibilities, and not "the one true correct way".
I understand where you are coming from, but I think that females wore hakama (traditionally) in naginata training. Anyone know if this is correct or not?
In teh sports of Iaido, kendo and Jodo as well as Naginata teh Hakama is word from day one. We do not have a coloured belt system so a black belt can be worn from your first day of training.
And I don't think that's a hanwei naginata. And even if it was, the Hanwei naginata is actually the best blade that company makes. Considering that real nihon naginata are extremely expensive the hanwei is a great deal for someone who is looking for a functional blade.
the only real problem is that the tsuka have a tendancy to be curved and so a new one should be custom made if you're going to do any cutting with it.
This looks a lot like the "kata" devised by Jill Crandall. As she passed away a few years ago I will withhold comment on her "contributions" to the art. But this poor girl deserves both her money and her wasted time back.
...It almost looks like a bo kata or something else done with a naginata... For one, she's switching her hands around too much, she's holding it too close to the middle for it to be naginata kata, plus most naginata katas aren't that long. Besides, the weapon is really short in proportion to her height... Interesting to see though... Tournaments are always a little weird... lol kicking...
Thanks for your comments - I didn't give much though tto the height of the weapon, but I did think it had too much girth. Perhaps a thinner pole would have offered beter control. This was the first kata I've seen with this weapon.
No, if your skills are not good enough to handle the weapon, DO NOT change the weapon, improve your skills instead. Otherwise, you will end up doing like those people who use light and thin fiberglass flashy batons instead of real combat bo. It is also good to get the basics from a real sensei.
True - very true. One thing I had wondered was if the size of this weapon was "official" - meaning was it traditional sized? Or just what a martial arts store had to offer. And I can't STAND those thin flashy sticks - like to see em hit something for real and shatter.
there is no official size in traditional kobudo. People usually use bo same size as they are. Also, there is no official width, but you try different widths until you find one that you can handle and a bo whose weight makes you confortable. I usually use a thick 1.80 mts heavy bo ( I am 1.79 mts tall), but I am a stocky guy and I like heavy weapons.
i know nothing about naginatas, but she seems so slow with it... i mean... if she were swigning it at me like that, i would have PLENTY of time to get out of the way...
My kendo sensei's wife has learned naginata and from watching their naginata practice enough times, this karateka knows nothing about how to properly hold, let alone handle a naginata. She also entered holding it incorrectly.
This was an open style tournament. There were Kung Fu, karate, Tang So do, and TKD people present.
As far as the hakama, it was refreshing to see someone trying to be authentic. Traditionally, the Naginate was a weapon taught to females, and hakama was also worn during that time period (even by females).
ok humm that's not how a naginata is supposed to be used, at 0:44the use of kicks is unappropriate for a pole-arm. but for a kata without any basis: good, but I would go without the kiai
jordouellette 9 months ago
(...continued)
Often times when people train, they slowly drift away from the basis on reality, with the feeling of "well, I'll probably never use this in real life anyway," And in many cases traditional martial arts schools have become useless moneymaking systems that simply teach gymnastics and vague theories with no fact behind them.
HOWEVER, there are still plenty of good traditional martial artists out there who 'get it!'
...sorry this was kind of off topic ;)
dragonking700 1 year ago
We need to understand that martial arts were 100% "reality based" when they were created. of course, they are outdated in the sense that not many people carry naginata around with them :/
So, should we keep the tradition, or the purpose? While "fighting" is not the only focus of martial arts, we do need to constantly think about what will REALLY benefit you as far as defense. (learning traditional weapons, I think, is totally cool,but not necessarily practical)
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dragonking700 1 year ago
just my personal opinion But it is interesting BUT As a Fellow Naganatist i can see many things in this video that to the training i revived from my Japanese Sensei Mikato i would find wrong and incorrect on many levels.
but i do acknowledge there are different styles adapted by different countries.
lonewarrior1 1 year ago
y does she bow so many times before actually starting her movements?
wheresbud 1 year ago
@wheresbud
While it seems excessive, I think her bowing was appropriate. She bowed before entering the demonstration/tournament area - she bows before approaching the judges, again after addressing the judges, and before beginning her form. I agree that it seems like a lot of bowing, but after watching it, they were all appropriately placed (imo).
sthetx 1 year ago
WTF? You call those blocking? And that other stuff was supposed to be striking? her teachers should really consider finding a new profession.
GaolisVideoLog 1 year ago
Jumping around with a naginata and twirling it about does not make this naginatajutsu. I am sure this person is sincere. It is too bad her teachers are misleading her.
Iaazathoth 1 year ago
is there any truth that this was the "female" samurai weapon ive been reading on this and find little feed back
SanSuMartialArts 2 years ago
@SanSuMartialArts the Naginata is originally a battelfield weapon so in that sense it was not a "female" weapon... however what you have read is true in the sense that over time it has been favored by women due to its long reach. And it is true that if you ask to a random Japanese person they will tell you that it is for women ; ) But this is only what the perception is nowadays... In the old days the naginata was used on the battlefield by men.
jazzyslip 1 year ago
this is a joke right?
she literally is putting more effort into just swinging it around infront of judges, rather than watching her form...i mean you could blame it on nervousness or that the thing weighs a ton but from this performance it makes me feel like i can grab a naginata and swing it around yelling and win at this competetion!
sephirothnatis 2 years ago
Absolutely no spirit. She has physical technique, but it looks like a dance rountine. When you wield a weapon, anyone watching should get the total and complete idea you could kill someone at any moment with it.
WarriorBoy 3 years ago
@WarriorBoy It is a dance routine. With a 440 stainless steel toy.
Suigetsukanno 1 year ago
Oddly enough, I was there in person at this tournament, so it's a bit odd finding it on youtube. I was literally standing right behind the camera during her kata. That guy holding his jo at the beginning is my friend.
darkfire990 4 years ago
Actually you can see some of our other students across the room in front of the bleechers
keeperofthegates 4 years ago
A chance that I read information to see that it is not a naginataka! It's ok if she doing this for fun but... Her movements of are not good. And why she shouts? I do not want to be unpleasant but I'm practicing naginata and I do not like to see that people deforms a discipline! Forgive me for my poor english!
minoujill 4 years ago
the shout is Kiai - spirit. And the weapon IS a naginata. though you are right, the movements need a lot of work. There is no control of the blade, it seems to swing too far around, like she is struggling to stop it where it should be, and the techniques would only lead to her death if she tried them in battle.
Shinsengumi77 4 years ago
A chance that I read information to see that it is not a naginataka! Good idea if she makes that for the fun but... in other case! Her movements are not good. And why she shouts? I do not want to be unpleasant but I'm practicing naginata and I do not like to see that people deforms a discipline! Forgive me for my english!
minoujill 4 years ago
Sthetx: Actually, YES ...unfortunaly
Chawo 4 years ago
i thought this was pretty cool.
HworthX51 4 years ago
Again??!! oh, please....THAT'S SEUNG MINA KATA FROM SC2!!! ....god's sake...
Chawo 4 years ago
No way - so both her AND the sword guy based their performances from video games??
sthetx 4 years ago
@sthetx Well...YES! Just check them out: they are the exactly same katas.
Chawo 1 year ago
i don't know anything about form, maybe she did it spot on, but i agree she didn't seem comfortable with the weight and her moves were pretty weak.
bt894644 4 years ago
Sorry, one more thing I noticed. Is she making sound effects for her moves? I feal like I am watching power rangers. It also looks like shes falling into her stances as opposed to moving into them.
Musurashi 4 years ago
looks
to me like she's not used to the weight.too many bamboo ones?
millstab 4 years ago
As the kata progressed it got worse and worse. I'm not sure what that little vertical cut she constantly makes is suppose to be either. I hope it isn't her furikaeshi.
Musurashi 4 years ago
Im a noob to whatever you ppl are talking about, and this vid. and I don't even know if what she did was the proper way of doing it, but it doesn't seem very "solid" her movements and transitions seem, "weak", but shrug, what do I know.
koneko23 4 years ago
bunkai is far from a waste of time...
kyoukan91 4 years ago
what was the stick for?
LongIslandEddie 4 years ago
By your tone and attitude towards kata, I can tell you are around yellow or green belt level, and haven't had the responsibility of teaching a martial arts class. Useless things become very useful when your perspective changes.
sthetx 5 years ago
kata is a waste of time.
Daaxtube 5 years ago
I felt much the same - until I became an instructor. Then you realize how useful it is at teaching the components that students need to master before moving on. Now BUNKAI, now THATS a waste of time.
sthetx 5 years ago
How is that at all useful? By components you mean the basics to that they can move on to doing more advanced kata that is equally useless?
Daaxtube 5 years ago
Sorry to say, but did you really became an instructor with such an attitude toward kata? I don't get you, have you learning been a martial art or only hitting your opponent?
cyshtoph 5 years ago
@sthetx Japanese and Okinawan martial arts are made up of kata, bunkai, and randori. Bunkai is the application of Kata. Without bunkai, kata practice is meaningless. Without bunkai, self-defense situations become street fights and who can hit the hardest.
Kata set the body into motion, bunkai form the action of the hands and feet, and randori is putting it against real life resistance.
Suigetsukanno 1 year ago
@Suigetsukanno
What you said is true (and thanks for posting). But I've seen so much bastardization (or interpretation that serves themselves) of bunkai that I really have a distaste for it anymore. When someone teaches bunkai, they are influenced by their own art, and will see that art in it. A striking art will see strikes, a grappling art will see locks or throws. Bunkai can be useful, provided it it is taught as one of many possibilities, and not "the one true correct way".
sthetx 1 year ago
it took me 3 years of trainig aikido to get a hakama and the black belt where did she get it? are they been sold now in mall?
stargazeMX 5 years ago
I understand where you are coming from, but I think that females wore hakama (traditionally) in naginata training. Anyone know if this is correct or not?
sthetx 5 years ago
Hakama, in blue or black, and white keikogi are the attire for both male and female in naginata practice today.
elroymanic 5 years ago
Thank you
sthetx 5 years ago
In teh sports of Iaido, kendo and Jodo as well as Naginata teh Hakama is word from day one. We do not have a coloured belt system so a black belt can be worn from your first day of training.
Davidmclean 4 years ago
she haw no stile in her kicks and her ki is herible,and excuse me? she use hanwei naginata...thats bad :(
henrikbakkehareide 5 years ago
And I don't think that's a hanwei naginata. And even if it was, the Hanwei naginata is actually the best blade that company makes. Considering that real nihon naginata are extremely expensive the hanwei is a great deal for someone who is looking for a functional blade.
the only real problem is that the tsuka have a tendancy to be curved and so a new one should be custom made if you're going to do any cutting with it.
p00kietanuki 4 years ago
Hah Im in this video, Im the male in the background hold the jo staff
keeperofthegates 5 years ago
Really? Are you two from the same dojo?
sthetx 5 years ago
Nope.
keeperofthegates 5 years ago
This looks a lot like the "kata" devised by Jill Crandall. As she passed away a few years ago I will withhold comment on her "contributions" to the art. But this poor girl deserves both her money and her wasted time back.
budobaka1 5 years ago
I thought the kata looked a bit weak too
tubes69 5 years ago
...It almost looks like a bo kata or something else done with a naginata... For one, she's switching her hands around too much, she's holding it too close to the middle for it to be naginata kata, plus most naginata katas aren't that long. Besides, the weapon is really short in proportion to her height... Interesting to see though... Tournaments are always a little weird... lol kicking...
ThisOneisHaku 5 years ago
Thanks for your comments - I didn't give much though tto the height of the weapon, but I did think it had too much girth. Perhaps a thinner pole would have offered beter control. This was the first kata I've seen with this weapon.
sthetx 5 years ago
No, if your skills are not good enough to handle the weapon, DO NOT change the weapon, improve your skills instead. Otherwise, you will end up doing like those people who use light and thin fiberglass flashy batons instead of real combat bo. It is also good to get the basics from a real sensei.
malasangre 5 years ago
True - very true. One thing I had wondered was if the size of this weapon was "official" - meaning was it traditional sized? Or just what a martial arts store had to offer. And I can't STAND those thin flashy sticks - like to see em hit something for real and shatter.
sthetx 5 years ago
there is no official size in traditional kobudo. People usually use bo same size as they are. Also, there is no official width, but you try different widths until you find one that you can handle and a bo whose weight makes you confortable. I usually use a thick 1.80 mts heavy bo ( I am 1.79 mts tall), but I am a stocky guy and I like heavy weapons.
malasangre 5 years ago
Even if this was the novice division, that is grade A sucking. Whoever gave her that weapon should be stabbed with it.
TheAmericanIdiot 5 years ago
ROFL!
clowcard 5 years ago
That poor girls looks like she can barely hold up a broom stick, whats this martial art used for fishing?
Ryanbelo 5 years ago
i know nothing about naginatas, but she seems so slow with it... i mean... if she were swigning it at me like that, i would have PLENTY of time to get out of the way...
turmat01 5 years ago
A succesful wielder would be able to split your skull. The weapon is quite heavy.
EmperorKagato 5 years ago
"Oh look, I´ve got a long batton! This is fun, tee hee!" ... ... ¬¬ That´s not naginata. That´s 'playing with a naginata'
JulianDupuy 5 years ago
My kendo sensei's wife has learned naginata and from watching their naginata practice enough times, this karateka knows nothing about how to properly hold, let alone handle a naginata. She also entered holding it incorrectly.
neogtrmn 5 years ago
my sentiments exactly... lacked proper handling which led to lack of fluidity etc etc
kamen25 5 years ago
Is this really karate? People don't wear hakama in karate and I've never heard about naginata being used in karate either.
parrrrot 5 years ago
This was an open style tournament. There were Kung Fu, karate, Tang So do, and TKD people present.
As far as the hakama, it was refreshing to see someone trying to be authentic. Traditionally, the Naginate was a weapon taught to females, and hakama was also worn during that time period (even by females).
sthetx 5 years ago