well, dropping your hands can be done if your at a certain skill level. its about confidence and strategy. when a master drops his hands he's letting the opponent feel like he can come in. thats when the show is over. in a sport fight, i don't recommend it.
I belong to the JKA and yes...we do practice the poin sytem in all exercises i agree that we must practice more real type of fighting. However In dojo sparring we do not go on the point system
hey phil....training in both us and japan? WKF is more like fencing. at the shoto cups i competed in, you needed more than a "little" contact to get a point. as a matter of fact, i damn near took a canadian guy's head off to get a point. if you actually been to JKA international tournaments... you'd know what im talkin bout.
well, actually, jumdiddy, it really depends on the judges and how well executed your technique is. techniques that do not make any contact, but which are solid, are awarded points, and sometimes are even given ippon. if you've been in JKA tournaments, you should know this.
does anybody think the JKA should change tournament rules to make it less like olympic style fencing and more like real combat? and on a related issue, does anyone think it's dangerous to train for tournaments where the idea is to score one point and then stop the match? if this clip shows anything, it's that even if you get the point, the "loser" may still be able to deliver a crushing blow to your face.
you are right, however it doesn't matter unless all your training is focused in this kind of fight. Competition is just another training tool with a scope, it's not the goal of training.
i agree. and JKA training is not all focused on competition. BUT, in my experience at JKA dojos in both japan and the US, most jiyuu kumite practice in class is structured around this one point system.
it's based on the assumption that the one technique you land will be perfectly executed and will down the opponent. but we all know that for even advanced karateka it is more likely that your technique will be a glancing blow or executed slightly off balance, or whatever.
in class we rarely do practical self defense, or train to handle ourselves against people from different styles (which is too bad because the people you are most likely to get into a fight with are people who have martial arts training of one sort or another). now that said, i don't have a better way training! i mean, what should we do? put on gloves and head gear and whale on each other?
I practice goju ryu, and we do practice irikumi, which means continuous sparring: low kicks, knees, elbows, takedowns. No head punches, no groin kicks, no joint attacks. Sometimes we fight to submission, so we practice joint locking, although we limit ground fighting to 10 to 20 seconds.
we distinguish two types of irikumi: irikumi ju (light contact) and irikumi go (hard contact). The latter is a lot like full contact karate and I don't know many people who practice that even in my organization. The first, irikumi ju is more popular.
Some people in my organization do, but at the dojo I attend, yudansha do not train point sparring, only irikumi. This irikumi works for us. I would explore the different forms of continuous sparring and pick up the one which best fits your goals, and I would train as if I were to compete in that kind of fight.
good thiming is verry import. excellent go no sen .oss.
fredkarat 1 year ago 4
nice reaction
caplagea 2 years ago 2
Bom vídeo
tigrao84 2 years ago
Yes they are both excellent. I'd always rather be the guy who hits the other one in the head though, win or lose!
NakedHenry 2 years ago
I the guy who score at body level had not control his technique, the head shot after would never have exist...
chinte77 2 years ago
Thats really cool. Skillful.
farorin 2 years ago
in a way i wish it was more like KUGB style.more combative. and one more thing, never drop your hands, even after yamei.
maoswidow 5 years ago
Your hands should be there where you need them yes :)
Primeevil30 3 years ago
well, dropping your hands can be done if your at a certain skill level. its about confidence and strategy. when a master drops his hands he's letting the opponent feel like he can come in. thats when the show is over. in a sport fight, i don't recommend it.
trwylekat 2 years ago
I belong to the JKA and yes...we do practice the poin sytem in all exercises i agree that we must practice more real type of fighting. However In dojo sparring we do not go on the point system
JKAforever 5 years ago
hey phil....training in both us and japan? WKF is more like fencing. at the shoto cups i competed in, you needed more than a "little" contact to get a point. as a matter of fact, i damn near took a canadian guy's head off to get a point. if you actually been to JKA international tournaments... you'd know what im talkin bout.
jumdiddy13 5 years ago
yeah he's right, i've seen shoto cup stuff and my friend went when he was 20yo and said he'd never been that scared in his life.
maoswidow 5 years ago
well, actually, jumdiddy, it really depends on the judges and how well executed your technique is. techniques that do not make any contact, but which are solid, are awarded points, and sometimes are even given ippon. if you've been in JKA tournaments, you should know this.
Philmoscowitz 4 years ago
does anybody think the JKA should change tournament rules to make it less like olympic style fencing and more like real combat? and on a related issue, does anyone think it's dangerous to train for tournaments where the idea is to score one point and then stop the match? if this clip shows anything, it's that even if you get the point, the "loser" may still be able to deliver a crushing blow to your face.
Philmoscowitz 5 years ago
you are right, however it doesn't matter unless all your training is focused in this kind of fight. Competition is just another training tool with a scope, it's not the goal of training.
malasangre 5 years ago
i agree. and JKA training is not all focused on competition. BUT, in my experience at JKA dojos in both japan and the US, most jiyuu kumite practice in class is structured around this one point system.
Philmoscowitz 5 years ago
it's based on the assumption that the one technique you land will be perfectly executed and will down the opponent. but we all know that for even advanced karateka it is more likely that your technique will be a glancing blow or executed slightly off balance, or whatever.
Philmoscowitz 5 years ago
in class we rarely do practical self defense, or train to handle ourselves against people from different styles (which is too bad because the people you are most likely to get into a fight with are people who have martial arts training of one sort or another). now that said, i don't have a better way training! i mean, what should we do? put on gloves and head gear and whale on each other?
Philmoscowitz 5 years ago
I practice goju ryu, and we do practice irikumi, which means continuous sparring: low kicks, knees, elbows, takedowns. No head punches, no groin kicks, no joint attacks. Sometimes we fight to submission, so we practice joint locking, although we limit ground fighting to 10 to 20 seconds.
malasangre 5 years ago
we distinguish two types of irikumi: irikumi ju (light contact) and irikumi go (hard contact). The latter is a lot like full contact karate and I don't know many people who practice that even in my organization. The first, irikumi ju is more popular.
malasangre 5 years ago
Some people in my organization do, but at the dojo I attend, yudansha do not train point sparring, only irikumi. This irikumi works for us. I would explore the different forms of continuous sparring and pick up the one which best fits your goals, and I would train as if I were to compete in that kind of fight.
malasangre 5 years ago