God has had at least 7 different Covenenats(agrrements) with men or mankind throughout the Bible. There are different rules for different people for different reasons throughouty the Bible. Unless one is familira with the elements of those Covenant and whom they pertain you really can't contrast them as to draw a conclusion. In this case a perceived contradiction. The Law concerning shellfish applied only to the ancient Mosaic Israelites and no one else in human history.
The scripture below has Moses addressing the chosen people of God and imparting to them specific rules for them only;
Deuteronomy 5
1 Moses summoned all Israel and said: Hear, O Israel, the decrees and laws[including shellfish] I declare in your hearing today. Learn them and be sure to follow them. 2 The LORD our God made a covenant(Law) with us at Horeb. """" It was not with our fathers that the LORD made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today."""""
Actually that isn't a contradiction. Although YHWH (or technically Yeshua) changed the rule and according to Isiah YHWH never changes (that is a contradiction yes). This is like I told you not to touch my Television then three years later said "On second thought you can touch it." Go to thethinkingatheist's website (literally that plus dotcom) for true contradictions. Like whether or not Judes hanged himself or threw himself down the side of a hill and gored himself on a rock. Can't do both.
Ha, Jesus also said he didn't come to change the laws of the prophets but to fulfill them, which makes this even more confusing than it already is, since now we have Jesus contradicting himself : )
That is not fair, dprj. You cut short the quotation in the middle of verse 19. In the English Standard Version, which you seem to be quoting, this verse is "since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled? (Thus he declared all foods clean.)" It is not Ray Comfort's interpretation it is the translators'.
I don't know if someone else brought this point up, but this cherry picked quotation of Comfort's actually proves that Jesus lied, as didn't Jesus say he has not come to change the law and that the law shall not be changed (Matthew 5:17-18)? By Comfort's own logic, someone who has lied is a liar. Thus, by his reasoning, Jesus is a liar. So why should he be worshiped?
the bible said all food is clean as long as you pray over it, so if having gay sex is an obomination maybe the guy should pray over his partner's butt before partaking in various activities lol
Mankind was never intended to eat other life forms of any kind. The rule for jews not to eat shellfish was to preserve their race. This isn't as much a problem anymore. You think because you read something in the bible the intent was for everyone?
Ahhhh I wish there was a meta-study that counted how many creationists have lost in arguments against atheists. Or both sides vote one ONE person to represent them, and we have like a national debate broadcasted on C-Span or a more popular channel, with a board of unbiased judges. Yeah. That would solve it ONCE AND FOR ALL.
I think it`s time to evolve, folks. Not physically, but with ideas. In 157 years humans will look back at this era and think "What the fuck!"
@BillHicks420 I wish there was a meta study at how often atheists think they won an argument based on innuendos, personal attacks, and insults. I would saynthe rate for this is 100 percent if I had to guess. See, most atheists are total asses when it comes to having a civil discussion. If they were capable of such there would be no existence of my channel. The real question is how did atheists get so pissy?
@AtheistsRstoopid Stop trolling man, this was obviously NOT directed at you! But whatever... "most" equals 100% to you? Wow, creationist math skills in action xD I posted rhetoric, you`re tryong to make this into an argument = not gonna work...
@BillHicks420 And yet you jumped on a comment to me. Now I am the troll? Tell you what, figure out how to put the number 8 under a microscope and get back to me.
perhaps this passage was the justification for priests thinking they were not actually defiling the 10 year olds they were raping.
Weird though, how the fundie justification for hating gays is based entirely on 'things' going in them from the outside. (ie. it's not the person that's a sin, but rather the act)
@BeekersSqueakers Also, even if they could explain away the lobster good/ lobster bad contradiction that still leaves the contradiction between that and Matt 5:18 and the verse in the old testament that says to stone anyone who tries to change the law of God (I forget the verse number).
Yes, you may eat lobster for Maine 14:22 states "Melted butter is delicious and thou shalt partake upon this for all your living days or until thine cardiologist tells you to cease."
This passage acts as a contingent tiebreaker thus informing us that lobster is only unclean when you have high blood pressure.
Wouldn't the protein of the lobster in fact enter the heart when it's used to regenerate the muscle tissue? Much of what is eaten is not expelled, but assimilated. You'd think God would know that.
Lobster wasn't considered a food. It is a scavenger and bottomfeeder which thrives on dead things, Therefore, if you eat lobster, you are consuming unclean organisms which could be harmful, possibly cancer-causing. Eat Kosher, and you'll be healthier. G-d only wants the best for us. The Jews survived the Dark Ages because they followed Law, cooking food thorougly and used good handwashing techniques as instructed by the scriptures.
I love your videos generally, but you are presenting a weak argument with a lack of understanding of the actual Christian position. The Christian position is that Christ invalidated older laws and you only had to obey the ones he did. The million dollar question then is why they keep harping on the old testament laws if they are no longer necessary?
The subject of the Mark 7 quote was whether the disciples should hold to the tradition of washing hands before eating - or not.
...and in verses 20-23, conveniently left out by mr. comort's staff, is the answer as to what he's talking about - its the evil words and thoughts that come out of your mouth that make you "defiled".
Theists - changing the meaning of bible passages in order to justify sin for the past 2000 years and counting.
What Jesus did was perform a miracle in which all that can be ingested is made clean. Therefore, if it is not what goes in but what comes out that makes one unclean, a good argument could be made that even feces cannot make one unclean by ingestion. Suck on that, cholera!
You're, you're kidding right? Yeah, just like Jesus declaring, "He who is without sin cast the first stone" is contradicting Deuteronomy. I mean, maybe it's a little confusing, but they''re called old and new covenants. They're separated by thousands of years. The old was for the Israelites to believe and hold to. The new is for the followers of God after Christ. Please tell me the 789 likes is a mistake. This is retarded.
@sk8teh14 Are you saying that god (a perfect omnipotent and omniscient being) decided that actually he had cocked up his rules a couple of thousand years earlier? because if he got it right the first time the bible wouldn't be so full of holes it could pass for a swiss cheese only with less flavour. And to say they're separated by thousands of years, like thats a long time to an omniscient omnipotent being, come on, now whos being retarded.
"Are you saying God messed up his rules the first time?"
No, they served a certain purpose. They kept the Israelites (i.e., not the world) close to God so that when the time was right, Jesus could be born from them. Additionally, they preserved a people who prophesied the Messiah so that the world would recognize Him when He came. Look, if you want to mock Christianity, at least figure out what it teaches. The OT was for the Israelites and only the Israelites...
Whereas Christianity is for anyone who will accept it. They serve two different purposes, I don't know how you think God "messed up" and is correcting Himself. That's like saying programmers messed up 3d graphics when they invented the game pong. But in reality, 3d graphics wouldn't have suited that time period but pong led the way to 3d graphics. Not sure what else to say. I don't think this is difficult to understand. Let me know if you have questions.
And actually, if you want to get technical in the theology and beliefs of Christianity, the idea is that the Israelites didn't have the Holy Spirit to keep them disciplined. So they had many laws and traditions to obey. The Holy Spirit however, "writes His laws on our heart" as the prophet Jeremiah said. If you don't want to believe it, that's great. But don't pretend like it's some logical contradiction. Rather, it's simply you not believing that the Holy Spirit changes things.
@sk8teh14 Christians dont believe that. The law was to seperate the Jews from the gentiles. I am a christian so I would know. Find out what people believe before you comment.
@whinda4702 "I'm a Christian so I would know" Right, because it's not like there aren't tons of different kinds of Christians all who disagree just what it means to BE a Christian right? Nope, all Christians agree on everything and if you are a Christian it makes you an instant expert on what all Christians believe. I believe this to be a true statement.
The text in Mark refers to "a person" it doesn't mean just gentiles or just jews. It is a clear contradiction of Deuteronomy. The older passage is telling Jews they may not eat lobster, the second says that any person (which would include Jews) can eat anything they want.
If you read things in context it's all quite simple.
Also, just wondering, which passage from the bible is wrong? Which book contains the error, and why doesn't that threaten the credibility of the whole thing?
@ScissorHand26 In context Jesus was referring to the fact that it is not the unclean animal who enters into you that makes you unclean but rather when you do so you know in your heart you disobey God's law and that's what is evil and make you unclean. In the same way many religious leaders were clean in the outside but unclean in the inside which is hypocrisy since they don't intend to change their ways in contrast to a sinner that might repent since he doesn't try to cover up his evil deeds...
@ScissorHand26 Yeah it does, since Jesus won't contradict himself (Mark vs Deuteronomy) + Yeah I agree person means both Jew and gentile alike that is why gentile do not defile the law nor become unclean by eating shell fish since this law was given specifically to Jews and Jews have to understand it is not the unclean animal itself that makes them unclean but not obeying God's law makes them unclean...
I wasn't saying Jesus contradicted himself. I was just saying that the bible contradicts itself. Early part of bible says that Jews may not eat certain foods. Then Jesus comes along and says it's fine for everyone (Jews included). That's a straight up contradiction.
Jews can't eat certain foods. -> Jews can eat any food, it's not the food being consumed that matters.
Only one of those statements can be true, thus one is wrong, thus an error in the bible. (contradiction)
@ScissorHand26 Well first of all Jesus (being 1 in spirit with God the Father) is the one who said "Jews may not eat certain foods" in early part of the Bible and while He lived among the Jews He nerver said it is fine for everyone rather as I explained Jews become unclean by disobeying God's command not by the fact that they are swallowing an unclean animal. A good analogy is with the tree of the knowledge of good and evil with Adam & Eve, the problem is not the fruit but disobeying God...
It's so retarded.. Half the things these creatards consider "pure" are just as "filthy" as any other animal. These assholes just ban the good foods to keep morale low.
Actually the rule against seafood such as lobster is based on dietary laws for the ancient nation of Israel. From what I understand the old dietary and ceremonial laws of OT Israel do not apply to Christians or anyone else as they were for that nation only to demonstrate separation from the rest of the world; only the moral law shown by being repeated in the NT (murder, adultery, etc). So it is ok for Christians (Jewish and non-Jewish) and anyone else to eat lobster
The contradiction is that in the bible god says lobster is unclean and in the same bible god says lobster is not unclean, that's the point, it has nothing to do with dietary law being changed or only applying to certain people at a certain time.
@nakedapedude Except there is a larger context, really that chapter is about relying on traditions for fulfillment in Christianity (such as dietary restrictions) instead on God. There is also made stated earlier that Christians have liberty through Christ in regards to dietary and ceremonial laws. I understand DPR's criticisms, I just think this is a particularly weal case and Christians can and will easily dismiss it. There are much stronger cases to be made against the religion.
@brianblackberry That's what I was thinking as I watched this video. Using weak arguments actually hurts the cause of the anti-theist since it builds confidence in the believer who refutes it.
I was taught by jesuits that there are no contradictions in the bible, and in fact it was sinful to have such thoughts. Furthermore, I was "out of place" to question or doubt anything that was taught in a catholic school. Well that's not exactly what I call "education." It is the opposite of education. The net result is I can see the myths, superstitions, fears and lies in the bible for what they are. There is no faith to prevent me from seeing them. Not everyone is so lucky.
It's also in Leviticus somewhere, worded almost the same way, except in Leviticus it says that eating such creatures is "an abomination." Along with wearing garments made from two blended fibers (cotton/polyester), and the first several chapters in Leviticus are detailed instructions for carrying out bloody animal sacrifices. Christians these days, wow. They really need to get back to basics because they're clearly violating the will of God on a daily basis.
So, if latter passages have priority over the earlier passages, why aren't they all Mormons? So far as I know, that's the most recent of the spinnoffs of the abrahamic crap.
'Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law of Moses or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them!'
So how can Jesus abolish the old law against eating lobster when he says he will not abolish the old laws? A contradicting direct from his own mouth...
Most Christians can be shown one contradiction after another in the Bible, but still say that there is no contradiction, specially since they tend to ignore the parts they don't like, and take the ones that they do like and then say, well Jesus changed that, or God knows what he's doing, we humans do not.
as i was raised a christian i can tell you that this was jesus basically re-writing old testament laws as they were no longer needed. why his father made those laws and why they were no longer relevant i really couldn't tell you. but that's just how it was.
Christians probably wouldn't consider this a contradiction as Jesus' teachings are usually thought to override the Old Testament. When I was a Christian it was explained to me that God's proclamations of clean and unclean animals only pertained to the fact that the Hebrews were wandering in the desert at the time.
"ShockOfGod" is a cultist whose real name is Rich Allen. He was a known fucking lunatic in Southern California when he ran a BBS. When he got clobbered by his intellectual betters on line, he would ban then claiming they had dropped carrier on the MODEM before signing off -- that was the coward buttfuck's justification for banning people who kicked his retarded cult ass.
The appear-ant contradiction is due due to the assumption that the bible is written like a novel. It should be viewed more like a history book the verses in this video come from two different testaments. The new testament verse applies today where we are not under the law but under grace.
Oh fucking hell dprjones! I am supporter of what you say normally but this video is so damn trivial and useless that its borderline grasping at straws.
Well, Mark comes after Doots, so I'm going to assume it's some chronological thing like ONCE UPON YOU COULDN'T EAT LOBSTER, BUT JESUS GAVE US THE THUMBS UP, SO NOW WE'RE GOOD. YAY. At this point, I don't even.
He picks to eat shrimp and what not because it's convenient for him.
Also if nothing goes into the body that can make you unclean... this probably would include oral sex by that logic. OOH! Double contradiction if you wanna take it that far!
The answer is obvious. If you don't like lobster, then the Bible is right in saying you can't eat it! However, if you love lobster, then it's obvious the Bible is clear that you are allowed to eat it. It's not very confusing at all. The the Bible didn't contradict itself, it wouldn't have soo many followers. Because, the moment someone disagrees with something in the Bible, there's something a few pages later that agrees with them on the same matter. Now that's divine inspiration, folks!
@extion: L O L ! So does that also apply to people who are gay? One passage say you should not, another passage say they does it themselves. It is amazing that you have the explaination for the cherry picking too. I would say it is a good proof of that people who writes the bible making it up as it goes along. But if what you say is a satire, then np bro, but just that the religous nuts may not be able to tell the diffference.
Jesus, apparently, also made the claim that poison is okay to ingest. It is also something that we take in, then is expelled, right? I think Jesus forgot the reason we eat in the first place. Part of that food doesn't get expelled and is absorbed.
If Jesus is god, then god changed his mind. The OT states "God is unchanging, he is the same today as he was yesterday. ALL of his statutes and commandments stand until the end of time." Either that verse is complete bullshit, or Jesus is not god. Anyway you slice it, someone is lying.
It always bothers me when people say the old testament is obsolete if jesus contradicts it. Was god wrong then? Does he change his mind? Doesn't sound like objective "morality" can exist if we can cherry pick passages.
It's not really cherry picking, it's the differnce between two religeons. They just don't happen to agree with each other. Christians would be better off tossing the old testament, too bad they cant.
This is like saying "Hey! You can't have nationalised healthcare, that wasn't in the Magna Carta!"
Let's not be retarded about this. If Jesus came to update the dogma, then what he says which is in conflict with previous myths is effectively errata, or a changed law or something to that effect. It's not a double standard or contradiction any more than a new law replacing a bad, outdated law.
The NT came after the Torah. That's why it's the New Testament.
@ChocoboKillerKanyo So, I know in the US Constitution there is a thing called the elastic clause that whatever insert name of person who exploits it cand basically add whatever they want.
@laxguy22655 Wasn't it "exploitation" of that clause that allowed ratification of things like women gaining voting rights and banning slavery?
Any decent legal system must allow for change, which is just one of myriad reasons I'm no fan of religion. But let's not be dogmatic in our rejection of religion's veracity. This is a perfectly logical "contradiction" because the latter simply replaces the former. If it's not fallacy, let's not pretend it is just to stroke our own corpulent egos.
@ChocoboKillerKanyo Actually, I was more or less leaning towards the tax code, and the monopoly system set up on the banking system, health care system the way it is being set up, welfare yada yada anything that promotes higher taxes which you can look at either way as slavery or enforce charity either way it is still stealing. The problem with the bible is christians claim it never contradicts and it does all over the place.
@laxguy22655 That is certainly true, but the USA has among the lowest tax rates in the first world industrialised nations by a large margin.
Some things, particularly government functions, should be monopolies. I don't want my judge is competing for business, or my police force.
In the US people seem so opposed to charity that they'd rather cut their noses off to spite their neighbors. Tax isn't stealing from you, it's the price of admission for a society with schools, roads, and safety.
5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
So it's clear that the food laws are also still to be obeyed.
Ah... ignoring contradictions, one of the prime powers of fundy-mentals. And of course, once again Ray Comfort is wrong. according to his holy book, Jesus clearly said:
Matthew
5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
@passwordresetisbroke The point is not that gentiles christians are allowed to eat unclean food and Jew-christians are not but rather since gentiles always ate unclean food they are not commanded by the old or new testament to change their food habits in order to be the children of god...
@jarjarbinks77 The point is not that gentiles christians are allowed to eat unclean food and Jew-christian are not but rather since gentiles always ate unclean food they are not commanded by the old or new testament to change their food habits in order to be the children of god...
Well to all you MORONS questioning your faith you heard it here first - these liberal scumbag european IDIOTS don't even like good old fashioned cherry picking like hte FOUNDING FATHERS DID with there children in old fashioned american cherry fields. What will they tell you next - apple crumble is against richard dawkins beliefs? Do you know what the 'a' in atheist stands for? A total lack of Any freedom.
I'm guessing your next mail to mr. Comfort will cite Matthew 5:17: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil" (KJV)
So what is it my religious friends? Jesus came to set all the foolishness of the OT straight, or just to reinforce them, while at the same time contradict them just to jerk us around some more?
Ray Comfort can eat lobster, because the food does not stick in his throat when he eats from the table of the suffering and desperate who give him his money. The only reason he can give away free Red Lobster passes is because he himself eats there so often. Jesus Christ would take the lobster and give it to the poor, and then condemn Ray Comfort to being eaten by a pack of lobsters at the Red Lobster in Heaven.
@truevoiceofsanity This man does NOT represent Christianity. The whole political movement(and its followers) that promotes Intelligent Design has a single goal: mammon (to make money). What they don't realize is that God will expose them because it's in God's nature to stand for truth. I follow Christianity, but deus ex machina is also true.
Truth always exposes lies. That's my faith. You can see it in Jesus and others as well. I choose Jesus because he's the best example of selflessness.
I personally hold the heroes of chernobyl higher. Specifically the divers who voulonteered on the suicide-mission to drain the contaminated water from under the molten reactor core. They prevented a steam explosion that would have thrown the entire core for miles around, by diving into water that they knew would kill them in minutes.
Did Jesus drive the nails into his own hands? Did he doubt his sacrifice would even be of any use? Did he think that there was no eternal reward?
Tell me, when men like Jesus & Gandhi fasted and prayed, what was happening to them? Do you have any social science that explains how Gandhi was able to change his entire nation? Gandhi said: "His way is old as the Himalayas." Was that the ranting and raving of an insane man? Or do Jesus, Gandhi, and others like them share a common trait? Can you break away from your American Atheistic cynicism for a minute to explain what that trait is?
Jesus only fasted at easter. And I am not sure how social science has anything to do with this. Ghandi? Yes, he was in the very least misinformed.
A common trait wich is more profound and clean without all the supernatural fluff surrounding it in the examples you gave. Your explainations for it are more akin to excuses, and lessens it in every way.
Charity withot reward, or even with punishment, is superior to any such wich has an ethereal carrot and whip at the other end of it.
"I choose Jesus because he's the best example of selflessness"
How do you know jesus was selfless? Because of what you think he said and did? Do you believe the gospels are an accurate record of what jesus said and did? If you do, how do you account for the fact that jesus quite clearly believed in the magical creation of the universe and all life within it and quite clearly believed a literal flood story? We know those things didn't happen, how do you answer this problem?
@nakedapedude If Jesus believed in a magical creation of the universe, then perhaps he didn't have the intelligence at the time to know any better. Did you miss where I said I believe 'deus ex machina'? God is within. Worshipping God DOES bring tangible results, even if God does not exist. Atheism is not the answer to social ills. Atheism is a tool for scientists to help them see the world clearly. Atheism does not feed the hungry, hold the hand of the lonely, or give hope to the hopeless.
Sorry, DPR, but the precedent is pretty clear in these matters. Whatever Jesus says trumps the old laws, so anything that he specifically addressed that contradicts the old testament has replaced the teaching of the old testament. This one is way too easy for any apologist to counter. Using arguments like this is like when they say "If we came from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?".
"This one is way too easy for any apologist to counter"
The bible clearly states god doesn't change and also clearly states that the same god changed its mind, lobster was unclean and then lobster was not unclean. Apologists can rationalise it all they want, it doesn't make any of their arguments convincing.
Oh damn. I've been reading the bible from cover to cover, only I'm a very slow reader!! It's taken me 30 years and I've only just finished the old testament.
I stopped eating lobster 25 years ago. Are you seriously telling me that gets overturned in a chapter or two? Arses!
You obviously can... except you can't... nevertheless you can... but please don't... although you're allowed to... not to... do so... not... yeah... no... yes........ McDonalds?
How about throwing the Gospel of Matthew in the whole issue?
I am, of course, referring to Matt 5:17-19, where he explicitly stated that the old laws are valid down to the "last jott and tittle", and that he didn't come to "abolish, but to fulfill them".
I think it's interesting that God, the almighty maker of the entire universe, made a law and had to send Jesus down to reverse it and clear things up. That makes perfect sense, doesn't it? I might see if I can snag a yummy (scaleless) catfish out of my pond today.
"...What goes into him does not defile him..." Does anyone else realize that this also overrides a few other verses in the Pentateuch, like, um, the prohibitions on man-on-man sex?
Don't get me wrong I don't believe in the bible, but this is a good example of not really knowing what you're talking about, DPRJones.
Because in a vision to Peter (I think) god says "Guess what, you know all that stuff you musn't eat? Well you can eat it now." So Ray Comfort is correct in the sense that the Bible does permit him to eat seafood. In the Bible what came later overrides what came first.
I'm all for debunking the bible, but do it right, you're making the rest of us look bad.
I can't say I'm at all surprised. The bible isn't like stereo instructions. The only way to make it work is to pick and choose the particular passages that support whatever worldview or opinion you wish to embrace. Some days it tells you to be charitable and merciful. Others it supports tyranny and cruelty. It's kinda like using a magic 8-ball.
@mandolinic Nah your good as long as you only wear the shirt on days that end in Y, except when the day starts with T, but this rule is cancelled if it preceeds or follows a day that begins with W.
People tell me that they can eat a gut busting meal, and see a red lobster add, then be hungry again.... but personally, the sight of shellfish wants to make me vomit.
See, because there's the New Testament, that means that we can disregard the Old Testament...except for the 10 Commandments, gays being bad, the creation story, and a few other things that we selectively picked out. Of course we can eat shellfish and wear clothes made from mixed fibers because we like to do those things. But I personally don't like to have sex with men (or I'm at least trying to bury that desire) so it's OK to hate on guys who do.
I left the church a long time ago after a decade of intense bible study. Even one contradiction should be enough. The bible is contradictory rubbish from start to finish. Most of their followers get their beliefs from their preachers rather than the book FOR A REASON.
Did not Jesus also say something to the effect that he would not change neither a jot nor a tiddle of the old law? My poor brain wants to melt and dribble right out my ears.
I wouldn't say it's a contradiction the way you see it. Jesus updated the OT, that's totally okay. He's only contradicting himself, because in the Sermon on the Mount he declares that none of the rules of the OT shall be changed unless 'all is fulfilled'.
I've only eaten at Red Lobster once... and I had if I recall correctly, Icelandic Cod and potatoes (fish and chips). It was altogether a less than delightful experience. Frozen fish and mediocre chips and the vinegar at the table was suitable for cleaning windows.
Similar to hell, but with less attentive service staff.
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I have however eaten my weight in 'ouisiana mudbugs and crab on other occassions, so for dessert I might as well have the Global Genocide and coffee.
I guess Ray means: That which goes into him from the outside (the lobster) cannot defile him, Only that which comes out of him (the shit) can defile him, because it doesn't go into his heart, it goes into his stomach, then through the intestines and then straight out of his bunghole!
Well Christians believe in the New Testament more than the Old. Jews are the ones who don't eat shellfish and the like (I would know being raised Jewish). Christians don't follow kosher law, it's always been that way. But whatevs, all religion is silly.
eat the lobster then pray for fogiveness
job done
al3699 1 month ago
God has had at least 7 different Covenenats(agrrements) with men or mankind throughout the Bible. There are different rules for different people for different reasons throughouty the Bible. Unless one is familira with the elements of those Covenant and whom they pertain you really can't contrast them as to draw a conclusion. In this case a perceived contradiction. The Law concerning shellfish applied only to the ancient Mosaic Israelites and no one else in human history.
God bless you.
maxtormaxtor 1 month ago
The scripture below has Moses addressing the chosen people of God and imparting to them specific rules for them only;
Deuteronomy 5
1 Moses summoned all Israel and said: Hear, O Israel, the decrees and laws[including shellfish] I declare in your hearing today. Learn them and be sure to follow them. 2 The LORD our God made a covenant(Law) with us at Horeb. """" It was not with our fathers that the LORD made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today."""""
maxtormaxtor 1 month ago
Actually that isn't a contradiction. Although YHWH (or technically Yeshua) changed the rule and according to Isiah YHWH never changes (that is a contradiction yes). This is like I told you not to touch my Television then three years later said "On second thought you can touch it." Go to thethinkingatheist's website (literally that plus dotcom) for true contradictions. Like whether or not Judes hanged himself or threw himself down the side of a hill and gored himself on a rock. Can't do both.
shadywolf91 3 months ago
Ha, Jesus also said he didn't come to change the laws of the prophets but to fulfill them, which makes this even more confusing than it already is, since now we have Jesus contradicting himself : )
LadyAmaltheaUnicorn 4 months ago
That is not fair, dprj. You cut short the quotation in the middle of verse 19. In the English Standard Version, which you seem to be quoting, this verse is "since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled? (Thus he declared all foods clean.)" It is not Ray Comfort's interpretation it is the translators'.
djhalling 4 months ago
As a Christian evolutionist, my vote is eat the lobster! If ever in Vegas, I recommend Rosewood Grille. They serve moster lobsters!
BorgMX5 9 months ago
I don't know if someone else brought this point up, but this cherry picked quotation of Comfort's actually proves that Jesus lied, as didn't Jesus say he has not come to change the law and that the law shall not be changed (Matthew 5:17-18)? By Comfort's own logic, someone who has lied is a liar. Thus, by his reasoning, Jesus is a liar. So why should he be worshiped?
lagurash 10 months ago
@lagurash
didn't see this when I posted the about Matthew 5:17, but yes, this is exactly it, JC is contradicting himself
LadyAmaltheaUnicorn 4 months ago
if i use cherry picking myself here is an interesting finding!
"There is nothing outside a person that by going into him can defile him"
this can be used to approve of gay sex!!!
=]
alatheir 10 months ago
the bible said all food is clean as long as you pray over it, so if having gay sex is an obomination maybe the guy should pray over his partner's butt before partaking in various activities lol
zipitup75 1 year ago 7
Mankind was never intended to eat other life forms of any kind. The rule for jews not to eat shellfish was to preserve their race. This isn't as much a problem anymore. You think because you read something in the bible the intent was for everyone?
AtheistsRstoopid 1 year ago
Ahhhh I wish there was a meta-study that counted how many creationists have lost in arguments against atheists. Or both sides vote one ONE person to represent them, and we have like a national debate broadcasted on C-Span or a more popular channel, with a board of unbiased judges. Yeah. That would solve it ONCE AND FOR ALL.
I think it`s time to evolve, folks. Not physically, but with ideas. In 157 years humans will look back at this era and think "What the fuck!"
BillHicks420 1 year ago
@BillHicks420 I wish there was a meta study at how often atheists think they won an argument based on innuendos, personal attacks, and insults. I would saynthe rate for this is 100 percent if I had to guess. See, most atheists are total asses when it comes to having a civil discussion. If they were capable of such there would be no existence of my channel. The real question is how did atheists get so pissy?
AtheistsRstoopid 1 year ago
@AtheistsRstoopid Stop trolling man, this was obviously NOT directed at you! But whatever... "most" equals 100% to you? Wow, creationist math skills in action xD I posted rhetoric, you`re tryong to make this into an argument = not gonna work...
BillHicks420 1 year ago
@BillHicks420 And yet you jumped on a comment to me. Now I am the troll? Tell you what, figure out how to put the number 8 under a microscope and get back to me.
AtheistsRstoopid 1 year ago
@AtheistsRstoopid Well, because you were in an ARGUMENT, my post was CLEARLY not...
BillHicks420 1 year ago
@BillHicks420 Yes but CLEARLY your post was stoopid.
AtheistsRstoopid 1 year ago
perhaps this passage was the justification for priests thinking they were not actually defiling the 10 year olds they were raping.
Weird though, how the fundie justification for hating gays is based entirely on 'things' going in them from the outside. (ie. it's not the person that's a sin, but rather the act)
troyboulay 1 year ago
perhaps genetic makeup and the evolution of which
TheDaddyRob 1 year ago
Well, with that Bible passage would not drugs, alcohol, and even homosexuality be made clean as well?
BeekersSqueakers 1 year ago
@BeekersSqueakers Also, even if they could explain away the lobster good/ lobster bad contradiction that still leaves the contradiction between that and Matt 5:18 and the verse in the old testament that says to stone anyone who tries to change the law of God (I forget the verse number).
BeekersSqueakers 1 year ago
Yes, you may eat lobster for Maine 14:22 states "Melted butter is delicious and thou shalt partake upon this for all your living days or until thine cardiologist tells you to cease."
This passage acts as a contingent tiebreaker thus informing us that lobster is only unclean when you have high blood pressure.
Jermbot15 1 year ago 10
Wouldn't the protein of the lobster in fact enter the heart when it's used to regenerate the muscle tissue? Much of what is eaten is not expelled, but assimilated. You'd think God would know that.
theinquisitor 1 year ago
Wait a second, by Ray's logic, homosexually is not a sin... Well that explains his sidekick....
Guess we'd have Ray Comfort all wrong....
BlitzNeko 1 year ago
>Ray Cumfart
LongHairedLoser 1 year ago
Lobster wasn't considered a food. It is a scavenger and bottomfeeder which thrives on dead things, Therefore, if you eat lobster, you are consuming unclean organisms which could be harmful, possibly cancer-causing. Eat Kosher, and you'll be healthier. G-d only wants the best for us. The Jews survived the Dark Ages because they followed Law, cooking food thorougly and used good handwashing techniques as instructed by the scriptures.
hookemhornmom 1 year ago
@hookemhornmom: yeah and only if g-d tell them how to make antibiotics also .....
blade9z 1 year ago
I love your videos generally, but you are presenting a weak argument with a lack of understanding of the actual Christian position. The Christian position is that Christ invalidated older laws and you only had to obey the ones he did. The million dollar question then is why they keep harping on the old testament laws if they are no longer necessary?
Jaelra 1 year ago
@Jaelra : to make sure people "fear" "god", cos jesus don't kill a whole city like his dad does, or flood the earth but forgot about the ducks.
blade9z 1 year ago
I think all Christians should eat pussy, it smells like fish and tastes like lobster.
Dwicker64 1 year ago
FacePalm...
The subject of the Mark 7 quote was whether the disciples should hold to the tradition of washing hands before eating - or not.
...and in verses 20-23, conveniently left out by mr. comort's staff, is the answer as to what he's talking about - its the evil words and thoughts that come out of your mouth that make you "defiled".
Theists - changing the meaning of bible passages in order to justify sin for the past 2000 years and counting.
God bless Atheism.
citizen762 1 year ago
What Jesus did was perform a miracle in which all that can be ingested is made clean. Therefore, if it is not what goes in but what comes out that makes one unclean, a good argument could be made that even feces cannot make one unclean by ingestion. Suck on that, cholera!
jancar2012 1 year ago
This video = *facepalm*
sk8teh14 1 year ago
You're, you're kidding right? Yeah, just like Jesus declaring, "He who is without sin cast the first stone" is contradicting Deuteronomy. I mean, maybe it's a little confusing, but they''re called old and new covenants. They're separated by thousands of years. The old was for the Israelites to believe and hold to. The new is for the followers of God after Christ. Please tell me the 789 likes is a mistake. This is retarded.
sk8teh14 1 year ago
@sk8teh14 Are you saying that god (a perfect omnipotent and omniscient being) decided that actually he had cocked up his rules a couple of thousand years earlier? because if he got it right the first time the bible wouldn't be so full of holes it could pass for a swiss cheese only with less flavour. And to say they're separated by thousands of years, like thats a long time to an omniscient omnipotent being, come on, now whos being retarded.
redjove2000 1 year ago
@redjove2000
"Are you saying God messed up his rules the first time?"
No, they served a certain purpose. They kept the Israelites (i.e., not the world) close to God so that when the time was right, Jesus could be born from them. Additionally, they preserved a people who prophesied the Messiah so that the world would recognize Him when He came. Look, if you want to mock Christianity, at least figure out what it teaches. The OT was for the Israelites and only the Israelites...
sk8teh14 1 year ago
@sk8teh14 Why does Jesus need to be born at all?
Keitaro2011 1 year ago
@redjove2000
Whereas Christianity is for anyone who will accept it. They serve two different purposes, I don't know how you think God "messed up" and is correcting Himself. That's like saying programmers messed up 3d graphics when they invented the game pong. But in reality, 3d graphics wouldn't have suited that time period but pong led the way to 3d graphics. Not sure what else to say. I don't think this is difficult to understand. Let me know if you have questions.
sk8teh14 1 year ago
@sk8teh14 Oh, I see, God couldn't make a consistent system.
Keitaro2011 1 year ago
@redjove2000
And actually, if you want to get technical in the theology and beliefs of Christianity, the idea is that the Israelites didn't have the Holy Spirit to keep them disciplined. So they had many laws and traditions to obey. The Holy Spirit however, "writes His laws on our heart" as the prophet Jeremiah said. If you don't want to believe it, that's great. But don't pretend like it's some logical contradiction. Rather, it's simply you not believing that the Holy Spirit changes things.
sk8teh14 1 year ago
@sk8teh14 Christians dont believe that. The law was to seperate the Jews from the gentiles. I am a christian so I would know. Find out what people believe before you comment.
whinda4702 1 year ago
@whinda4702 "I'm a Christian so I would know" Right, because it's not like there aren't tons of different kinds of Christians all who disagree just what it means to BE a Christian right? Nope, all Christians agree on everything and if you are a Christian it makes you an instant expert on what all Christians believe. I believe this to be a true statement.
I3rigand 1 year ago
@whinda4702
The text in Mark refers to "a person" it doesn't mean just gentiles or just jews. It is a clear contradiction of Deuteronomy. The older passage is telling Jews they may not eat lobster, the second says that any person (which would include Jews) can eat anything they want.
If you read things in context it's all quite simple.
Also, just wondering, which passage from the bible is wrong? Which book contains the error, and why doesn't that threaten the credibility of the whole thing?
ScissorHand26 1 year ago
@ScissorHand26 In context Jesus was referring to the fact that it is not the unclean animal who enters into you that makes you unclean but rather when you do so you know in your heart you disobey God's law and that's what is evil and make you unclean. In the same way many religious leaders were clean in the outside but unclean in the inside which is hypocrisy since they don't intend to change their ways in contrast to a sinner that might repent since he doesn't try to cover up his evil deeds...
JCYTT1I3777 1 year ago
@JCYTT1I3777
That's an interesting interpretation of the text, makes a lot of sense. I don't think that discredits my point though.
ScissorHand26 1 year ago
@ScissorHand26 Yeah it does, since Jesus won't contradict himself (Mark vs Deuteronomy) + Yeah I agree person means both Jew and gentile alike that is why gentile do not defile the law nor become unclean by eating shell fish since this law was given specifically to Jews and Jews have to understand it is not the unclean animal itself that makes them unclean but not obeying God's law makes them unclean...
JCYTT1I3777 1 year ago
@JCYTT1I3777
I wasn't saying Jesus contradicted himself. I was just saying that the bible contradicts itself. Early part of bible says that Jews may not eat certain foods. Then Jesus comes along and says it's fine for everyone (Jews included). That's a straight up contradiction.
Jews can't eat certain foods. -> Jews can eat any food, it's not the food being consumed that matters.
Only one of those statements can be true, thus one is wrong, thus an error in the bible. (contradiction)
ScissorHand26 1 year ago
@ScissorHand26 Well first of all Jesus (being 1 in spirit with God the Father) is the one who said "Jews may not eat certain foods" in early part of the Bible and while He lived among the Jews He nerver said it is fine for everyone rather as I explained Jews become unclean by disobeying God's command not by the fact that they are swallowing an unclean animal. A good analogy is with the tree of the knowledge of good and evil with Adam & Eve, the problem is not the fruit but disobeying God...
JCYTT1I3777 1 year ago
@ScissorHand26 Just to be sure we are at the same track, by Jews I mean Jews who believe in Jesus or not (not necessary by bloodline or heritage)
JCYTT1I3777 1 year ago
@whinda4702
I'm also a Christian, and I believe it. There ya go. Wasn't hard to disprove your absolute statement lol.
sk8teh14 1 year ago
It's so retarded.. Half the things these creatards consider "pure" are just as "filthy" as any other animal. These assholes just ban the good foods to keep morale low.
mmmmmarcus 1 year ago
The passage from Mark also makes weed (and pretty much all other drugs) completely fine. I wonder if Ray is gonna start campaign for NORML soon...
AtheistBro 1 year ago
Actually the rule against seafood such as lobster is based on dietary laws for the ancient nation of Israel. From what I understand the old dietary and ceremonial laws of OT Israel do not apply to Christians or anyone else as they were for that nation only to demonstrate separation from the rest of the world; only the moral law shown by being repeated in the NT (murder, adultery, etc). So it is ok for Christians (Jewish and non-Jewish) and anyone else to eat lobster
brianblackberry 1 year ago
@brianblackberry
The contradiction is that in the bible god says lobster is unclean and in the same bible god says lobster is not unclean, that's the point, it has nothing to do with dietary law being changed or only applying to certain people at a certain time.
nakedapedude 1 year ago
@nakedapedude Except there is a larger context, really that chapter is about relying on traditions for fulfillment in Christianity (such as dietary restrictions) instead on God. There is also made stated earlier that Christians have liberty through Christ in regards to dietary and ceremonial laws. I understand DPR's criticisms, I just think this is a particularly weal case and Christians can and will easily dismiss it. There are much stronger cases to be made against the religion.
brianblackberry 1 year ago
@brianblackberry That's what I was thinking as I watched this video. Using weak arguments actually hurts the cause of the anti-theist since it builds confidence in the believer who refutes it.
ravingdead 1 year ago
I was taught by jesuits that there are no contradictions in the bible, and in fact it was sinful to have such thoughts. Furthermore, I was "out of place" to question or doubt anything that was taught in a catholic school. Well that's not exactly what I call "education." It is the opposite of education. The net result is I can see the myths, superstitions, fears and lies in the bible for what they are. There is no faith to prevent me from seeing them. Not everyone is so lucky.
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RockwellPorter 1 year ago
It's also in Leviticus somewhere, worded almost the same way, except in Leviticus it says that eating such creatures is "an abomination." Along with wearing garments made from two blended fibers (cotton/polyester), and the first several chapters in Leviticus are detailed instructions for carrying out bloody animal sacrifices. Christians these days, wow. They really need to get back to basics because they're clearly violating the will of God on a daily basis.
WhistlersBrother 1 year ago
As I recall, in Acts god declared all food clean to Peter on the rooftop of a friend he was visiting. I think that's where the focus should be made.
Sure, no reason for the change in decision is provided but let's at least get that straight. I still have to find the actual scripture, though.
alextheward 1 year ago
At least the responce was a civil email, and not a death threat.
Has anyone tried sending something of this nature to an islamic imam...and lived to tell the tale?
kirkey99 1 year ago
Well... I thing what the bible meant to say was: Ye may eat the lobster if thou prepare it well,
ye who eateth it harsh shall shit like hell...
See it even rymes...
Dextomus 1 year ago
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jacokl54 1 year ago
"God's Human Form" about 30 years after gestating in a "virgin's womb" says eating shellfish is ok, 'cus you just poop it out.
God's human form > God I suppose
MinervaInTheBrain 1 year ago
So, if latter passages have priority over the earlier passages, why aren't they all Mormons? So far as I know, that's the most recent of the spinnoffs of the abrahamic crap.
machleid 1 year ago
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4bbc 1 year ago
Matt 5:17
'Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law of Moses or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them!'
So how can Jesus abolish the old law against eating lobster when he says he will not abolish the old laws? A contradicting direct from his own mouth...
NekuraCa 1 year ago
Most Christians can be shown one contradiction after another in the Bible, but still say that there is no contradiction, specially since they tend to ignore the parts they don't like, and take the ones that they do like and then say, well Jesus changed that, or God knows what he's doing, we humans do not.
cperez1000 1 year ago
as i was raised a christian i can tell you that this was jesus basically re-writing old testament laws as they were no longer needed. why his father made those laws and why they were no longer relevant i really couldn't tell you. but that's just how it was.
imgdumpprep 1 year ago
Christians probably wouldn't consider this a contradiction as Jesus' teachings are usually thought to override the Old Testament. When I was a Christian it was explained to me that God's proclamations of clean and unclean animals only pertained to the fact that the Hebrews were wandering in the desert at the time.
sauronthegr8 1 year ago
"ShockOfGod" is a cultist whose real name is Rich Allen. He was a known fucking lunatic in Southern California when he ran a BBS. When he got clobbered by his intellectual betters on line, he would ban then claiming they had dropped carrier on the MODEM before signing off -- that was the coward buttfuck's justification for banning people who kicked his retarded cult ass.
NotSoOldHippy 1 year ago
@NotSoOldHippy Being a lunatic is not necessarily a crime. If he is as you say, don't you think he wants the attention?
Greafgriet 1 year ago
You can eat lobster if you sprinkle some of Peter Popoff's holy water on it first. Makes it taste better too.
goosed1 1 year ago 17
@goosed1 It's even better if you make a pate' with the lobster and spread it on one of his miracle crackers.
jancar2012 1 year ago
@goosed1 You mean butter?
helliussurla 1 year ago
Nothing you can put into your body can harm you? I'm going to have to disagree with you there, Jeebus.
shrikechan 1 year ago
The appear-ant contradiction is due due to the assumption that the bible is written like a novel. It should be viewed more like a history book the verses in this video come from two different testaments. The new testament verse applies today where we are not under the law but under grace.
kbleuel 1 year ago
@dprjones covenant theology, dispensationalism, yadda yadda...how have you not heard this stuff before?
neveruse513 1 year ago
Oh fucking hell dprjones! I am supporter of what you say normally but this video is so damn trivial and useless that its borderline grasping at straws.
blade004 1 year ago 2
Dude this is sooo obvious. You can eat lobster - but then you have to ask forgiveness for your sin. Then it's all good again.
Ansonidak 1 year ago
Well, Mark comes after Doots, so I'm going to assume it's some chronological thing like ONCE UPON YOU COULDN'T EAT LOBSTER, BUT JESUS GAVE US THE THUMBS UP, SO NOW WE'RE GOOD. YAY. At this point, I don't even.
UltimaXG2 1 year ago
He picks to eat shrimp and what not because it's convenient for him.
Also if nothing goes into the body that can make you unclean... this probably would include oral sex by that logic. OOH! Double contradiction if you wanna take it that far!
sonic8005 1 year ago
Lent Motherfuckers! LENT!!!!! Need I say more? There is no end of stupid people on this earth is there?
Happy Saturnalia, Everybody!
Zeus bless us, Everyone.
vashcat 1 year ago
It's just another contradiction from the bible.
SirFakeName 1 year ago
The answer is obvious. If you don't like lobster, then the Bible is right in saying you can't eat it! However, if you love lobster, then it's obvious the Bible is clear that you are allowed to eat it. It's not very confusing at all. The the Bible didn't contradict itself, it wouldn't have soo many followers. Because, the moment someone disagrees with something in the Bible, there's something a few pages later that agrees with them on the same matter. Now that's divine inspiration, folks!
extion 1 year ago 18
@extion
The bible is basically a moral Rorschach Test where the believer gets justification for whatever attitudes and beliefs he already held.
Nice Christians get Jesus meek 'n mild, all charitable and forgiving, as a role model.
Asshole Christians get a violent redneck Yahweh sitting on a cloud, hating and damning the *exact* same types of people the believer happens to hate.
bowlsallbroken 1 year ago
@extion: L O L ! So does that also apply to people who are gay? One passage say you should not, another passage say they does it themselves. It is amazing that you have the explaination for the cherry picking too. I would say it is a good proof of that people who writes the bible making it up as it goes along. But if what you say is a satire, then np bro, but just that the religous nuts may not be able to tell the diffference.
blade9z 1 year ago
I would love to know the answer to that one as well.
Mysticblue1212 1 year ago
Jesus, apparently, also made the claim that poison is okay to ingest. It is also something that we take in, then is expelled, right? I think Jesus forgot the reason we eat in the first place. Part of that food doesn't get expelled and is absorbed.
genobahamut1337 1 year ago
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I have not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it.
So...if no laws are abolished, crawdads are still Verboten, Ray.
LordCustos3 1 year ago
If Jesus is god, then god changed his mind. The OT states "God is unchanging, he is the same today as he was yesterday. ALL of his statutes and commandments stand until the end of time." Either that verse is complete bullshit, or Jesus is not god. Anyway you slice it, someone is lying.
Enochsfury 1 year ago
Decapod meat is yummy.
AcanLord 1 year ago
Judaism would say no, Christianity would say yeah. But really, who cares?
HPWHEELS 1 year ago
This seems like a pretty petty argument. Even if it's correct, does it really matter?
borstalboy1981 1 year ago
@MasterGhostKnight 'cept kenny is so much cooler.
daemonowner 1 year ago
@dprjones EscortFree doesn't stand a chance.
daemonowner 1 year ago
@mattrmsf Yep, thats what i was refering to, thanks.
daemonowner 1 year ago
It always bothers me when people say the old testament is obsolete if jesus contradicts it. Was god wrong then? Does he change his mind? Doesn't sound like objective "morality" can exist if we can cherry pick passages.
IdleGod 1 year ago
It's not really cherry picking, it's the differnce between two religeons. They just don't happen to agree with each other. Christians would be better off tossing the old testament, too bad they cant.
phookadude 1 year ago
oh yea! Fats Waller! Ha-cha-cha!
SeerSucker1981 1 year ago
excellent lmfao
naybobdenod 1 year ago
I think it's obvious; God changed his mind and forgot to delete the older text.
bleunt 1 year ago
@bleunt so he mistakenly had it backed up on a thumb stick and forgot to sync the files? They said windows 7 would be easier!
laxguy22655 1 year ago
This is like saying "Hey! You can't have nationalised healthcare, that wasn't in the Magna Carta!"
Let's not be retarded about this. If Jesus came to update the dogma, then what he says which is in conflict with previous myths is effectively errata, or a changed law or something to that effect. It's not a double standard or contradiction any more than a new law replacing a bad, outdated law.
The NT came after the Torah. That's why it's the New Testament.
ChocoboKillerKanyo 1 year ago
@ChocoboKillerKanyo So, I know in the US Constitution there is a thing called the elastic clause that whatever insert name of person who exploits it cand basically add whatever they want.
laxguy22655 1 year ago
@laxguy22655 Wasn't it "exploitation" of that clause that allowed ratification of things like women gaining voting rights and banning slavery?
Any decent legal system must allow for change, which is just one of myriad reasons I'm no fan of religion. But let's not be dogmatic in our rejection of religion's veracity. This is a perfectly logical "contradiction" because the latter simply replaces the former. If it's not fallacy, let's not pretend it is just to stroke our own corpulent egos.
ChocoboKillerKanyo 1 year ago
@ChocoboKillerKanyo Actually, I was more or less leaning towards the tax code, and the monopoly system set up on the banking system, health care system the way it is being set up, welfare yada yada anything that promotes higher taxes which you can look at either way as slavery or enforce charity either way it is still stealing. The problem with the bible is christians claim it never contradicts and it does all over the place.
laxguy22655 1 year ago
@laxguy22655 That is certainly true, but the USA has among the lowest tax rates in the first world industrialised nations by a large margin.
Some things, particularly government functions, should be monopolies. I don't want my judge is competing for business, or my police force.
In the US people seem so opposed to charity that they'd rather cut their noses off to spite their neighbors. Tax isn't stealing from you, it's the price of admission for a society with schools, roads, and safety.
ChocoboKillerKanyo 1 year ago
Matthew:
5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
So it's clear that the food laws are also still to be obeyed.
SeekerFromAA 1 year ago
Ah... ignoring contradictions, one of the prime powers of fundy-mentals. And of course, once again Ray Comfort is wrong. according to his holy book, Jesus clearly said:
Matthew
5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
SeekerFromAA 1 year ago
666 likes. FUCKING WIN.
Bigpotatos 1 year ago
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@passwordresetisbroke The point is not that gentiles christians are allowed to eat unclean food and Jew-christians are not but rather since gentiles always ate unclean food they are not commanded by the old or new testament to change their food habits in order to be the children of god...
JCYTT1I3777 1 year ago
@jarjarbinks77 The point is not that gentiles christians are allowed to eat unclean food and Jew-christian are not but rather since gentiles always ate unclean food they are not commanded by the old or new testament to change their food habits in order to be the children of god...
JCYTT1I3777 1 year ago
@JCYTT1I3777 So double-standards then?
jarjarbinks77 1 year ago
Well to all you MORONS questioning your faith you heard it here first - these liberal scumbag european IDIOTS don't even like good old fashioned cherry picking like hte FOUNDING FATHERS DID with there children in old fashioned american cherry fields. What will they tell you next - apple crumble is against richard dawkins beliefs? Do you know what the 'a' in atheist stands for? A total lack of Any freedom.
tarfun5959 1 year ago
So it is okay for a woman to swallow my seed? :-)
jiberish001 1 year ago
I'm guessing your next mail to mr. Comfort will cite Matthew 5:17: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil" (KJV)
So what is it my religious friends? Jesus came to set all the foolishness of the OT straight, or just to reinforce them, while at the same time contradict them just to jerk us around some more?
albedo00 1 year ago
m lobster great vid
fallbread 1 year ago
I am a follower of Christ.
Ray Comfort can eat lobster, because the food does not stick in his throat when he eats from the table of the suffering and desperate who give him his money. The only reason he can give away free Red Lobster passes is because he himself eats there so often. Jesus Christ would take the lobster and give it to the poor, and then condemn Ray Comfort to being eaten by a pack of lobsters at the Red Lobster in Heaven.
Greafgriet 1 year ago
@Greafgriet I am an atheist. Thank you.
RememberJudas314 1 year ago
@Greafgriet you don't sound like a follower of christ
truevoiceofsanity 1 year ago
@truevoiceofsanity This man does NOT represent Christianity. The whole political movement(and its followers) that promotes Intelligent Design has a single goal: mammon (to make money). What they don't realize is that God will expose them because it's in God's nature to stand for truth. I follow Christianity, but deus ex machina is also true.
Truth always exposes lies. That's my faith. You can see it in Jesus and others as well. I choose Jesus because he's the best example of selflessness.
Greafgriet 1 year ago
@Greafgriet
I personally hold the heroes of chernobyl higher. Specifically the divers who voulonteered on the suicide-mission to drain the contaminated water from under the molten reactor core. They prevented a steam explosion that would have thrown the entire core for miles around, by diving into water that they knew would kill them in minutes.
Did Jesus drive the nails into his own hands? Did he doubt his sacrifice would even be of any use? Did he think that there was no eternal reward?
NichtDieseTone 1 year ago
@NichtDieseTone The chernobyl heroes share a same trait
Tell me, when men like Jesus & Gandhi fasted and prayed, what was happening to them? Do you have any social science that explains how Gandhi was able to change his entire nation? Gandhi said: "His way is old as the Himalayas." Was that the ranting and raving of an insane man? Or do Jesus, Gandhi, and others like them share a common trait? Can you break away from your American Atheistic cynicism for a minute to explain what that trait is?
Greafgriet 1 year ago
@Greafgriet
Jesus only fasted at easter. And I am not sure how social science has anything to do with this. Ghandi? Yes, he was in the very least misinformed.
A common trait wich is more profound and clean without all the supernatural fluff surrounding it in the examples you gave. Your explainations for it are more akin to excuses, and lessens it in every way.
Charity withot reward, or even with punishment, is superior to any such wich has an ethereal carrot and whip at the other end of it.
NichtDieseTone 1 year ago
@Greafgriet
"I choose Jesus because he's the best example of selflessness"
How do you know jesus was selfless? Because of what you think he said and did? Do you believe the gospels are an accurate record of what jesus said and did? If you do, how do you account for the fact that jesus quite clearly believed in the magical creation of the universe and all life within it and quite clearly believed a literal flood story? We know those things didn't happen, how do you answer this problem?
nakedapedude 1 year ago
@nakedapedude If Jesus believed in a magical creation of the universe, then perhaps he didn't have the intelligence at the time to know any better. Did you miss where I said I believe 'deus ex machina'? God is within. Worshipping God DOES bring tangible results, even if God does not exist. Atheism is not the answer to social ills. Atheism is a tool for scientists to help them see the world clearly. Atheism does not feed the hungry, hold the hand of the lonely, or give hope to the hopeless.
Greafgriet 1 year ago
Sorry, DPR, but the precedent is pretty clear in these matters. Whatever Jesus says trumps the old laws, so anything that he specifically addressed that contradicts the old testament has replaced the teaching of the old testament. This one is way too easy for any apologist to counter. Using arguments like this is like when they say "If we came from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?".
YashinNashi 1 year ago 4
@YashinNashi So why even print the Old Testament if (most of) it is invalid?
AnimalNitrates 1 year ago
@YashinNashi
"This one is way too easy for any apologist to counter"
The bible clearly states god doesn't change and also clearly states that the same god changed its mind, lobster was unclean and then lobster was not unclean. Apologists can rationalise it all they want, it doesn't make any of their arguments convincing.
nakedapedude 1 year ago
Oh damn. I've been reading the bible from cover to cover, only I'm a very slow reader!! It's taken me 30 years and I've only just finished the old testament.
I stopped eating lobster 25 years ago. Are you seriously telling me that gets overturned in a chapter or two? Arses!
LAnonHubbard 1 year ago 2
You obviously can... except you can't... nevertheless you can... but please don't... although you're allowed to... not to... do so... not... yeah... no... yes........ McDonalds?
wikuk 1 year ago
What happened is that he made a mistake in Deuteronomy, but he fixed it in Mark.
Now he needs to come back and fix all of his other mistakes /taps foot
jujutubes 1 year ago
How about throwing the Gospel of Matthew in the whole issue?
I am, of course, referring to Matt 5:17-19, where he explicitly stated that the old laws are valid down to the "last jott and tittle", and that he didn't come to "abolish, but to fulfill them".
Wintershade3001 1 year ago
I think it's interesting that God, the almighty maker of the entire universe, made a law and had to send Jesus down to reverse it and clear things up. That makes perfect sense, doesn't it? I might see if I can snag a yummy (scaleless) catfish out of my pond today.
pmarie2003 1 year ago
"...What goes into him does not defile him..." Does anyone else realize that this also overrides a few other verses in the Pentateuch, like, um, the prohibitions on man-on-man sex?
portlandjosh 1 year ago
Don't get me wrong I don't believe in the bible, but this is a good example of not really knowing what you're talking about, DPRJones.
Because in a vision to Peter (I think) god says "Guess what, you know all that stuff you musn't eat? Well you can eat it now." So Ray Comfort is correct in the sense that the Bible does permit him to eat seafood. In the Bible what came later overrides what came first.
I'm all for debunking the bible, but do it right, you're making the rest of us look bad.
MarkArandjus 1 year ago
I'm thankful for Bible contradictions.
bangNL94 1 year ago
I can't say I'm at all surprised. The bible isn't like stereo instructions. The only way to make it work is to pick and choose the particular passages that support whatever worldview or opinion you wish to embrace. Some days it tells you to be charitable and merciful. Others it supports tyranny and cruelty. It's kinda like using a magic 8-ball.
pyrite13 1 year ago
Just shows that the good book was man made as we all know and this is one of many contradictions that show it for what it is.
zofoblues 1 year ago
i think that the common Christian response is saying that anything in the new testament trumps the old testament
Lordlaneus 1 year ago
@EssentialPedagogy
This shirt is 85% cotton, 15% viscose.
Warning: Wearing this shirt will damn you to eternal torment.
mandolinic 1 year ago 3
@mandolinic Nah your good as long as you only wear the shirt on days that end in Y, except when the day starts with T, but this rule is cancelled if it preceeds or follows a day that begins with W.
laxguy22655 1 year ago
People tell me that they can eat a gut busting meal, and see a red lobster add, then be hungry again.... but personally, the sight of shellfish wants to make me vomit.
boonw 1 year ago
Can we take this as an endorsement of cannibalism?
fenral 1 year ago
Whatever goes into a person from the outside cannot defile him? Hell yeah! I'm gonna go buy some pills! Thanks, Jesus!
cordzion 1 year ago
I think he also made the case that it's ok to eat drugs.
CWScreepingcharlie 1 year ago
See, because there's the New Testament, that means that we can disregard the Old Testament...except for the 10 Commandments, gays being bad, the creation story, and a few other things that we selectively picked out. Of course we can eat shellfish and wear clothes made from mixed fibers because we like to do those things. But I personally don't like to have sex with men (or I'm at least trying to bury that desire) so it's OK to hate on guys who do.
Rationalific 1 year ago
I left the church a long time ago after a decade of intense bible study. Even one contradiction should be enough. The bible is contradictory rubbish from start to finish. Most of their followers get their beliefs from their preachers rather than the book FOR A REASON.
Kindertautenleider 1 year ago
To say he cherrypicks suggests in a way that he has read the whole bible. And come on. Who really thinks he's done that.
dalkordigo 1 year ago
Did not Jesus also say something to the effect that he would not change neither a jot nor a tiddle of the old law? My poor brain wants to melt and dribble right out my ears.
anonyman45 1 year ago
I don't eat Lobster generally I don't think its that good. As for god prohibiting me from eating it? Suck it god.
petehjr1 1 year ago
Obviously the answer is that you can and can't at the same time. Why are you atheists so dumb?
anthonzi 1 year ago
@norwonk Your summary of christian apologetics is brilliant :D
janeyanna 1 year ago
I wouldn't say it's a contradiction the way you see it. Jesus updated the OT, that's totally okay. He's only contradicting himself, because in the Sermon on the Mount he declares that none of the rules of the OT shall be changed unless 'all is fulfilled'.
janeyanna 1 year ago
So remember, in gay sex it is better to be a catcher than a pitcher.
toddlusk 1 year ago
Jesus declared all FOOD clean, but we know from Deuteronomy that everything without fins is NOT FOOD. Therefore it is still not clean.
Sorry, but you go to hell if you have ever eaten at red lobster. Just like Ray Comfort.
dulcetAirman 1 year ago
@dulcetAirman
I've only eaten at Red Lobster once... and I had if I recall correctly, Icelandic Cod and potatoes (fish and chips). It was altogether a less than delightful experience. Frozen fish and mediocre chips and the vinegar at the table was suitable for cleaning windows.
Similar to hell, but with less attentive service staff.
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I have however eaten my weight in 'ouisiana mudbugs and crab on other occassions, so for dessert I might as well have the Global Genocide and coffee.
DeathofSpeech 1 year ago
They will probably pull some OT-NT bullshit on this matter.
HealingBlight 1 year ago
@SuperiorApostate I said it with a smile :(
Skizzomorphe 1 year ago
I guess Ray means: That which goes into him from the outside (the lobster) cannot defile him, Only that which comes out of him (the shit) can defile him, because it doesn't go into his heart, it goes into his stomach, then through the intestines and then straight out of his bunghole!
musashi06 1 year ago
Well Christians believe in the New Testament more than the Old. Jews are the ones who don't eat shellfish and the like (I would know being raised Jewish). Christians don't follow kosher law, it's always been that way. But whatevs, all religion is silly.
Begeru 1 year ago
this is a silly low-level understanding of christianity, but oh well...