StarCraft 2 - [Z] Fast Roach vs Terran - Strategy

[yes333yes]

"Keep owning...I guess" lol

[Tommybotham]

This is insane quality. 360p and it's looks like 720...

[TytusTolshemLives]

This map sucked.

[AbakusSilverThorn]

what do you mean when you say 13?



[seetah2007]

@AbakusSilverThorn He means that he has thirteen drones when he builds it.

[YUTUBQLIAOMALO]

can u sing chocolate rain? :Q

[beybladekid41]

do you have to use every race to get diamond

[Lestsplay1]

@beybladekid41 no

[BoshansStudios]

@beybladekid41 no, you should be knowledgable and probably play the other races so you can better understand how they work but if you're really good with one race you can rank up easily. Most people play one race exclusively.

[yoshiR4]

This strat will win you every game in bronze, no matter the faction your up against! xD

[WTFWatchThisFilmWTF]

terran player was terrible, he had 3 scvs (maybe more) literally just sitting there begging to be picked off

[gammkrab]

Damn I miss this map in the pool! Now its such lame Zerg favoured maps. I mean atleast in gooold league I played 10 games as zerg & that was the first zerg games i ever played and i won 9/10 as zerg cuz i knew as a Terran how to defend things and my macro SUCKED i SUCKED as Zerg but moost ppl get scared from larger Zerg armies and will turtle up. = I get hightecch and win. Zerg is EASY in bronze-highplatinum. cant understand how zergs can whine so much

[Solidis458]

@gammkrab You played zerg in gold bro, your not king zerg

[pallekan]

so this is a 100% win chance vs terran couse it is unscoutable?

[Solidis458]

@pallekan 100% win rate in wood league yes.

[kibateo]

@Solidis458 wood league. . . sounds kinky

[zecocolt]

@Solidis458 ground league or underground league :D wood is to high

[joeski8]

@Solidis458 not really

[lamears]

Sorry very noob question how do i get the two differents colour rally points?

[MsKayleb]

@lamears its a zerg thing... they have 2 colours..brown for drones.. white for the rest

[ZwixHardstyle]

@lamears the golden one is the worker rally point, which appears automaticly when rightclicking on minerals which makes drones automaticly harvest them, the other is for every other unit which appears when right clicking anywhere :)

[LastGladius]

@lamears The different colors are separate rallys, one for drones and one for roaches, mutas, etc

[TheDanishVanHouten]

This works very weel agains Terran! But not gains zerg! :(

[dreakheart]

normaly you would muster yr strenght in some troops and tanks and leave the airport until after the 10min mark and if he doesnt atack atall he´ll go mutalisk so get engibay up before 10 mins and place 4 to 5 turrets up on importend locations if he still doesnt atack go for quick dropship stimmed marines and 2 hellionsand take out the spire and go for the hatchery find out where he has his troops and keep producing tanks and hellions and marines ,switch to hightech not to long after

[bloodshot2901]

it would be funny if he already had a THOR.....

[ReachStudioPro]

Wow if i should have used this strategy the 5 matches earlier i would have gain a huge advantage and may have won. Ty for ur awesome strategy videos =D

[Brasharful]

Ok, between this and ling hydra which one is safer? or how would I know when to go one rather than the other? TY ^^.

[CowHoofOnAHotPlate]

I deal with the roach build as terran about 5 times a day, and never lose. I just make 3 rax, 2 with techlab and 1 with reactor, then I just build marines and mauraders till I have about 80 supply of them, then I don't even bother to wait I just push out, always annihilate the enemy.

[BengoManiff]

@CowHoofOnAHotPlate 80 supply marauders? till you have so much you already got attacked by the zerg lol

[AustinHarvey1221]

@CowHoofOnAHotPlate he said to do it when their tecing not making 3 rax 2 tec labs and a reactor right away

[MyTemporaryAccount88]

You know what I hate? When SC2 casts don't have the clock on. It's like SSF4 combo-vids that don't have button input + damage info on -.-

[PortoPride2]

question: can you do this against protoss?

[theAmdisen391]

@PortoPride2 its not as good and thats comming from a protoss but if hes walling in. it will work vs his wall so you can get them zeglings in

[FishTurd69]

isnt that a 7 roach rush????

[l4dgoodies]

What would you do if he want to seige tanks?

[CanicusTemburn]

@l4dgoodies Mutas would would great against them. and are brilliant for some fun mineral harrass! :P

[bloodydove5718]

@CanicusTemburn i usually do Mutas as a response to what my opponent is doing, because trying to rush into them leaves you pretty weak early game. I find this strat pretty as a pretty good opener, because you can easily shift into what ever is needed to counter the enemy's build

[bloodydove5718]

@l4dgoodies lair, spire

[bloodydove5718]

@l4dgoodies or lair, roach burrow movement upgrade

[IIIMAVER1CK]

problem with zerg is that you always seee the saaame thing its boring cause they only can actually pick from ling roach hydralisk and mutas. u never see ultralisk or most of all an interesting unit like the infestor. same with terran who actually uses the raven? no? who uses MMM? thousands of hands should go up. its always the same shit. From 8 out of 10 games i mostly see the same build done. which is boring. and especially the rock paper scizzors sucks too BW> SC2

[Mr18Racer]

what i do is 20 drones.. then have at least 2 queens for early rush and 5 units of lings. Then i Make 10 roaches. Rush then i win

[SmexMyPocky]

@Chewbacca211190 Scout ~ !

and get queens in the start to protect off the early harass, 2v1 void is nice.

and then go hydra/roach. o: or any build you're comfortable with that includes hydra.

[monkeymstr14]

hey just started getting into SC2 multiplayer, looking for 1v1 partner to help get macro and zerg practice on. send me a message if interested.

[megamanloner31]

i dont think blue even made any marines

[Leonitusworm]

Can you still open with roach pressure and fast expand?

[Chewbacca211190]

I Dont mind fighting a variety of units its just when they go mass void ray The zerg has nothing to counter.. Can anyone help me on this?

[kapou7]

@Chewbacca211190

if his macro allows him to build mass voids, then your economy should be strong enough to build corrupters, and even throw in some hydras in the mix .. FTW

[Alesandros356]

what do you do if the tarren have a massive army of marauders and marines behind his wall?

[Sagsul]

@Alesandros356

Therefor you should scout your opponent^^

[Monthral1]

i know it isnt good to do one build all the time (unless it is a standard opener but i think against terrans at least in the league i am now they ALMOST ALWAYS TURTLE so it would be nice to hit them hard with a few roaches and give them a good ass kicking

[SpazzyMcGee1337]

Bear-axes are scary.

[submissions72]

How do you have two spawn points ?

[A4moondoggy]

i like this, i'm done with macro zerg unless i see a fe

[rjlas7]

I laughed so hard at ridiculing him about being a 1 base zerg :P

[1point61803]

Pretty much anything 1 base zerg is cheese/all in.

[romanorthodox]

mistaken .. 13 pool is terrible if he got any reaper

I wish I were the terrans against him

[DnNeelz]

'/sigh another terran' is exactly what i say every single game.

[ChipmuckNations]

Hey can anyone help me?

Like Ima a pretty good toss player like a bronze

I know all the basic and stuff

I was vsing my brother and he kept on getting that fast roaches how do I counter this?

I kept on losing then I decided to get my first gateway and 10 supply and won

Is there another way to counter tthis?

Replay asap thanks

[activ04]

@ChipmuckNations Easy. . .go standard into 2 gate but save chrono for the stalkers. It's an easy micro battle. just kite them. hit go back rinse and repeat. but if you really want hard counter. go 1 gate robo into fast immortal. get 1 sentry before the robo and put down second gate. get additional sentries if needed.

[nolknolk]

isnt better to build quick banelings and burn down his buildings?and of course lot of zerglings

[2unlikely]

holy shit your voice is deep

[Gamerportalconsole]

@2unlikely notrealy

[TheJuiceWins]

@2unlikely lmfao you're probably 13

[MakeABlindKidRead]

What if the guy owned me and got 3 barracks with marauders and marines

[MrJpnkilla]

dang son... take it easy, it's not the apocalypse

[whohwa]

PENIS!!!

[Skaveeful]

I do a similar build but mainly to get mapcontrol and put my opponent on the defensive. I use 3+ the 1st 4 larvae from the queen on roaches then expand, then reinforce if i see that i can end the game right there. If not i try to harass his worker line and/or get his rax + addon down. After that i follow up with mutas or tech into T3.

[van0sgym]

hmm terran goes mass maurader... and gg zerg

[Lexine0368]

working StarCraft II, available "lnkgt. com/4Ep"

[FuriKuriKun]

Always love your videos and guides

[HaRvIl]

the teran can't play!!! he is a noob :D

[Pav0n1337]

@HaRvIl

And you can't spell Terran

[AzureDrag0n1]

This is a really risky strat. I mean if he had so much as seen that Roach Warren slightly earlier it would have shut this down and the Terran player would have been ahead. Even then you should be scouting for an expansion like this player hinted at here. Also on this map walling in with supply depots is not the best idea.

I mean this is a strat that the computer does. A computer would have killed him in all likely hood.

[benzagel]

i am wondering if you can pull this off against protoss....though warpgate is gonna be a problem.

[n8iveidiot13]

@benzagel with all the roach upgrades (all 3, sigh...) you can burrow micro to take out the opposing protoss ground units and i found it to be quite effective vs zlots/stalkers but not with a collosus

[ForceSC2strategy]

@NelsonTraffanstedt

substandard

[ModernMegalomania]

Seeing at the end he evolved his lair, does that mean he might have been planning for some mutalisks to chase down his base after he lifted off?

[seltzinator]

I think you missed this analysis. This zerg player was doing an all-in roach rush from the very beginning. His overlord scout was to find the terran only, not to see if he had marauders. He was counting on hitting him before he had concussive rounds and a few marauders, which he did.

[Tsiphon]

"Doing that spew larvae, that spawn larvae that she does so well."

"That she does so well" made me laugh so damn hard.

[KMoonwalker]

Problem with this build can be that this is pretty much close to all-in. But still it seems really effective for unaware opponent.

There is similiar build currently discussed on Team-Liquid "5 Roach Rush". Difference is that it is just a little later with fast switch to speedlings (speed is researched before warren) and just a little bit more economy.

[homicida9]

How do you do two crosses on hive?

[Eriksuns89]

Hi, I play zerg and never played broodwar its such a steep learning curve! I'm only bronze league 1v1 and struggling- 41wins 57 losses atm, YUCK! Was wondering if you could take me under ur wing haha- I always have trouble getting past terran wall.. especially if they have like bunker behind supply depot with marines in it? Maybe im not fast enough or something my average apm is like high 30s

[Jonnywow55]

The Actual BO is: 10 - Overlord 10 - Drone x3 13 - Pool (with one of the those of 3 drones) 12 - Drone x2 14 - Extractor 13 - Drone x2 15 - Overlord 15 - Queen 17 - Zerglings (deny scouting/scout with) 17 - Overlord (can get after Roach Warren) 17 - Roach Warren at 250 min 15/16 - Roach x7

[glonjudetwo]

Oh -- and I use this in about 80% of my games (rank 10 diamond)..... will be even more IMBA when terran get their nerfs/zerg buffs. You learn the timing of when to put the warren down/denying scouting

[wesker723]

i never box the choke at natural vs zerg i use supply to create a baracade in my base. i think i could take this zerg player :-)

[glonjudetwo]

@wesker723 Your on fool (hehe)

[MisterStorage]

whats SCA ?

[AhmedUitVenlo]

Just played my first game and defeated my oppenent by using marauders and marines on highground to defeat his roaches and meanwhile go overlordhunting and defeating his queens with my vikings.

[cruzdt]

Keep finding replays with interesting chat between the players. Thanks!

[lilphillio]

5:21 wtf LOL check out the roach on th3e left side, sliding towards the starport

[ampdgmr]

Viable build, however only in very specific situations, I am a top Diamond Terran, and I would definitely scouted the roach warren, as would this T if he didn't get unlucky and spot it last. Also the T did a terrible version of the 111 build. I can assure you this tactic would NEVER work on me.

[LionsXe]

the zerg player was kinda mean, i love to win against those....

[plasm980]

helpful vid! thanks for posting more zerg vids... i need them for sure!

[gregop01]

would this work vs a marine or reaper proxy rush?? cuz im also woried bout them when i play vs terran... p.s can anyone link me to an effective ZvP strat (preferably that force has done)?

[NoClueRandall]

@gregop01 if ur on a map where uknow where they are 6 pool rapes lol

[MrRomple]

@gregop01 Roaches do very well against marines and reapers. The only thing you don't want to see early if you go roaches is marauders. Roaches on creep can defend against upgraded reapers, just don't go wondering off your creep.

[DTrinh09]

just did this to a toss player trying to go 4-gate. i watched the replay over and his timings were pretty bad. he should've had 2-3 stalkers at least when i stormed his base. (he delayed me with a FF at ramp, but i sniped pylon) yeah i had 7 or so roaches at the push with reinforcements behind me.

[stefanthepwnzor]

how many roaches do we move out with? to be optimum but not give away our strat?

[MrJoobledoo]

my only problem with this game is that I'm too slow at macroing

I know all the unit counters, when to scout, most of the builds, but I'm always clumsy and slow :(

reassure me that it gets better

[elitney]

@ForceSC2strategy

appreciate the fast reply, im still noob so this is helpful theory for me

[Godfred78]

Can you help me with how to build a build an early defence as terran that can deal with most rushes from any race?

Yes i know: I'm a noob.... :)

[ForceSC2strategy]

@kaine180

...ummmmmmm, really? Haha.

Clearly you would like to hit way BEFORE he can have Banshees, and if you moved out with the timing our Zerg player did in this video, it will be before they can have a banshee on the board.

What good are Banshees when you have no base?

^_~

Cheers!

[Malacite]

@kaine180

1-2 Banshess is not going to stop an a small army of Roaches before they wreck all the opponent's SCVs. And even if by some miracle the Terran player does stop the attack, the economic devastation will be such they they either can not rebuild, or by the time they do there will be a far greater army of Roaches & Hydras knocking at the door.

Either way it's GG.

[vapidtax]

@kaine180 What good are banshees against mutas, still pointless comment

[Jimnuzzy]

@kaine180 Shit on lol

[anthonywhistler]

@kaine180 roaches are the hard counter to banshees. just obliterate their base fast enough that the few banshees cant kill ur roaches :D



[elitney]

question = this player proactive roaches (without scouting), what to do if he actually went marauders?

[ForceSC2strategy]

@elitney

He went for the Roach Warren before his scout got in - yes - but not Roaches themselves. Had he seen Marauders coming he would have just started making lings rather then Roaches.

The key thing to note is that almost NO Terran players open with Marauders vs Zerg, it just isn't a strong opener, because Marauders are weak vs. Zerglings.

Going for this build order is in some sense assuming you wont be seeing mass Marauders, which is a safe assumption. And if you do...just make lings!

[elitney]

720p is up

[Smeagollum86]

lawl that scv could have scouted that roach warren but it stopped

[Fa1nTy]

@Smeagollum86 He likely would of lost anyways, he would of started pumping maraquders. but would of only had 1-2 before the roaches hit his base.

Didn't scout SOON enough, should of had a SCV there before the roach warren was even finished.

[sgNism]

Thx

[Taurenspoon]

First :)

[staples2704]

Quality :( cant even read the mineral, vesp and food count haha ;p

[ForceSC2strategy]

@staples2704

Deep breaths, you must learn patience young one.

In order to see in the highest quality, you must allow the YouTube to process completely.

The YouTube takes its dandy time, so we must wait.

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...SERIOUSLY YOUTUBE, COME ON!

Cheers!