I find particularly suspicious the fact there's no onboard footage of the moment of impact.
As well I find suspicious the telemetry box that contained information about the steering movement was returned by Williams to the Italian authorities hammer smashed and unreadable.
I don't want to blame nobody for the accident. It's just I can't stand the feeling I'm being insulted on my intelligence when I read about the "official" cause of the accident.
GOOGLE SEARCH: "team would never send a car to the gird with a known minor fault, let alone"
(WITH THE SPELLING TYPO), and you will find an interesting article, but more important by far, many excellent comments with varying ideas. I'm just using that quote to get you to the page, not emphasizing that particular comment.
AYRTON SENNA BY FAR IS THE BESTEST OF ALL TIMES AND HE WAS SO CHARISMATIC THAT HE EVEN FELT HE WAS GOING TO DIE THAT TRAGIC DAY BUT AS A MAN OF GOD HE FEARED NOT HIS FATE!! GOD BLESS U AND HOPE 2 C U THERE WHEN IT IS MY TIME TOO!!!.
This is an issue that will never be solved (sadly). My thoughts are that the steering column broke on impact rather than during driving - the on board telemetary would back this up. To solve this you would need to have been there at the time. Ultimately one thing we do know is the car got loose (I think due to bottoming out) and he ran out of road and ran out of luck. The car that year was a real shock for Willams, handled very unpredictably and had a tendency to snap oversteer.
He collected the slide but as all race drivers know once you do that you run to the outside of the track and he ran out of road and couldn't do anything once on the gravel. The steering wasn't the problem, Senna's luck run out but yes that williams was a pile of shit but Ayrton still managed pole position, Schumacher and benetton were cheating by using outlawed traction control and ayrton knew it.
@MyCosmicPath It's pretty extreme to call the Williams chassis a piece of shit. It was still a diamond in the rough and had some handling issues that were eventually worked out. The Benetton's hidden traction control gave Schumacher an advantage in the early part of the season. If Senna had survived that impact, he would have clawed his way back into the championship and most probably won it. We'll never know.
Yes the steering colum broke but the cause of death was his helmet impacted the wall and supension. Thats why from 1996 onward the cars had much higher cockpit sides..
@spitfire1936 You can't say that "the cause of death was his helmet impacted the wall and suspension" cause if they bought a new steering column none of this would have happened
Many says that Ayrton Senna had told them to put a sorter axis for steering buy they, rather than buy a new one they cut the one they had to make it sorter and they weld it...
@sadoxra That is actually a huge mystery for me. for the last 3 years of F1 before this race (91-93) the most technically advanced team didnt make a NEW longer column but only modified it in this shitty way. Where their brains were and why they didnt use them, I dont know...
Six years ago; while traveling down I684 in New York State; I was doing about 140km/85mph in the left lane. There was traffic to my right in both lanes. The truck in the middle lane shredded a tire and the debris came towards me and my windshield. I hit the brakes and the tires locked up causing smoke to fill the back of my car and the traffic behind me. I was only doing 85mph...what would it look like if I was doing 185mph how much smoke would fill the lanes....you figure it out looks like M
we do know - the tyre pressures were to low after the restart - the heat wasnt in the tyes to perform to there maximum - the car grounded at 185 mph going in to a fast flowing corner(was like losing control on ice) teleemetry shows senna reacted to a 100th of a second to correct direction and had brakes on full but it wasnt enough.
it Was a dreadful accident and nothing more - to suggest the steering column broke is quite frankly redicoulous.
@tazong why is it so ridiculous to say the steering column broke? Apparently they had to make modifications to the column to suit senna and it was re-welded. And no we dont know that it was the tyre pressures that caused the crash. Again thats just a theory. Theres no proof. But we will never know the real reason.
Adrian Newey believes it was a puncture that caused loss of control, based on pre-crash telemetry, while conceding the steering column would have eventually failed.
lets face it by clearing williams of sennas death was better for everyone...i mean everyone would get away.like f1 wouldnt have to create new rules the sport wouldnt get boring for the spectators team williams wouldnt go after other teams saying alcame they do that and we cant i mean was just better for eveyone not to start problems becasue would become very expensive.but at least dont lie motherfukers senna died cause the williams car was a piece of shit and the collum broke
The one thing I do not see in any of the videos before the crash; that is if the steering column really broke...why didn't we see SMOKE from the back tires indicating Senna wanting to BREAK to slow down the car!!!!! Any driver who loses control of his car BREAKS FIRST! Something is fishy here! email me if you agree indewaleed@msn.com
@COCACOLAwithpizza Your an ignorant moron. The reason he went off the road because his car bottom out because of it being so low like all the other cars. (4mm of clearance) He lost maybe 70 percent of his downforce and couldnt recover it. When he did slide after that he did counter steer and the wheels did move. Proving the steering column wasnt the problem
@mrtitsmigee actually watch the footage again. the tire never moves at all. there is a video out on yt showing cars counter steering after a slide at high speed and the tires clearly move a good 10 mm. senna's car never corrected cause the steering column came apart in his hand. proof is everywhere, including the 2007 court case that concluded that indeed the column gave way. but due to italian law, nobody was sentenced cause the case was brought up years after senna dying.
@COCACOLAwithpizza nobody needs to lie with this, you can't make a definitive statement "the column broke" the simple fact is nobody knows, and nobody will know. If it is your opinion that the column broke, then that is fine, but it is just an opinion, not fact. (and i say this a huge senna fan who was 12 at the time he died and was crying my eyes out about it... and watching the recent Senna film made me cry also.
so imo anyone says otherwise and they examined the column and have a degree in fractures mechanics of metalurgy professor of metalurgy from the university of bologna , these guys are national resource specialists there findings would hold up in court with air crash investigations , and go in check the trial results and hearings , case was upheld 2007 , end quote , and as for the movement of the steering column go to you tube search what nat geo did not tell you on senna and watch
@rohan9376 its so obvious.even how they try to say that was aproblem with the downforce and on that paticular lap senna was caming faster than the previous lap i mean u cant believe nothing that bbc and national geografic produces its only good to look.like when they lied about the mccans. british press protected that monsters and they blamed the portuguese police and acuse tham of trying to get a gilty veredict when later on wikileaks its proven that was in fact the british police who got tham!
@COCACOLAwithpizza we have the truth on our side and the truth remains today in the final verdict and if you have a group of fractures mechanics from a major universty whos evidence would stand up in a air crash who examined the car , well thats pretty hard fact to overturn , as for this bloke we are discussing this with ,who is so up with it ,but didnt even know there was a upheld case 4 years ago back in 2007 , hes a fool
@rohan9376 I think you should read more then just wikipedia. I have read some very detailed reports on this case & the trial was played out in a "kangeroo court" and should never have gone to trial but for the fact that it was in Italy which has a unique legal system regarding motor sport. Anyway, the verdict of broken steeling column was later overturned. Therefore the official cause of the crash is still unexplained.
@chrismarkbicknell can you give me the case number or verdict number on this overturned case , have you read the report out of bologna universty ? i presume you havent , i have ,do a search 15050 senna crash verdict guilty , f f s
@chrismarkbicknell it looks like your are here in fact to judge lol...but who gives a fuck what you think or your judgement.lets face it you are here saying that our beloved ayarten senna the best driver ever died with human error and that the the collum of his car didnt broke..like you saying that ayrtan lost control because the car was tricky,he lost control and died on THAT PATICULAR EASY FAST CORNER.you insulting senna s fans imop.my opinion hes that you are a wanker that s been here all day
I CAN NEVER UNDERSTAND WHY Gavin FISHER / Alan YOUNG make a STEERING WHEEL SO FRAGIL AND WORST. PRECIPITATION TRYING TO CHANGES MODIFICATION ON SENNA CAR 30 APRIL 1994.. OCASSION THE TRAGIC DEATH OF A GREAT MAN. THIS IS THE REAL TRUE ABOUT SENNA ACCIDENT.
@JRoca79 No it isn't. You are omissing several key facts. The modified column was fitted to both Senna and Hill's cars, they were fitted at the start of the season and they passed all safety checks by the FIA. If, and I personally don't believe the steering failure theory, there was a steering failure it is far more likely that the power steering failed. It was Patrick head's first reaction when he saw the crash happen and is stioll the theory amongst several other engineers.
@chrismarkbicknell modifications were madeon 30th April on Senna's car. You can see from the accident senna photos the central part of the steering wheel is thinner! You can see Senna moved to the left the wheel in a desperate action and strong braking trying to stop the car .. and the wheels do not obey their reaction!
@JRoca79 You need to remember a couple of key facts. 1) Williams were cleared on appeal. Therefore the steering column theory was disproved. 2) The steering modifications were made to both Hill's and Senna's cars at the start of the season, were checked & approved by the FIA.
However, although I don't think the crash was caused by any form of steering malfunction, it's possible that a power steering failure may have caused the accident. My point. Power steering is a more likelymalfuction.
I keep so strong in my opinion about the crash of Ayrton! He came out right on the curve ..he had no direction. No steering wheel! Hill's theory is false! Coulthard and the theory too! Hill says Senna make a driving mistake! is a joke? is incredible! and Coulthard said that the steering wheel is not broke! is curious.. 2 Williams driver protecting Williams......
@JRoca79 yep it is so frustrating case no 105050 , trial 2007 steering column failure ,and some very senior fractures mechanics proffesors of metalurgy ,were involved ,and examined the column they claim that it had already fractured as far back as the warm up lap ,everyone has there opinion , and the steering column theory wasnt overturned its the offical cause of death , 2007 , car retrurned to williams destroyed by williams , engine went back to renault fate unknown
@rohan9376 The original verdict was overturned on appeal, the car was returned to Williams, as you've stated, in 2007 a full 13 years after the crash and the discretion of the courts not at the request of Williams. The engine is irrelevent as it played no part in the accident. There has still never been an official verdict that has reached. if steering was to blame, and I don't believe it was, then it is more likely that it was due to a major power steering failure causing the wheel to lock.
@rohan9376 Hi, could you do me a favor. I have searched for the case number and although I can find plenty of wikipedia articles, plenty of unofficial websites, blogs and forums and plenty of new pages what I can't find is the actual case file. The problem is that wikipedia, blogs and forums are very subjective mediums & I would really like to read the actual case file. Could you please let me know where I could find it. Thank you.
@rohan9376 Ok, well as you are incapable of debating appoint like an intelligent person I won't trouble you any more. However, might I suggest that if sarcasm is your default response to a reasonable question that you refrain from engaging in debates or discussions in the future as it is perfectly clear that you are unable to debate a point in an intelligent manner.
it's amazing how thin walled of a tube was used to sleeve the steering column comparative to the regular thickness of the steering column. It's pretty obvious that metal fatigue caused this accident.
@murfdaddy1976 It is not the case at all. The column was fitted at the start of the season to BOTh Hill's and Senna's car. They also passed the rigorous FIA checks. If steering failure was the cause of the crash, and personally I don't think it was, it is far more likely that it was caused by a massive failure within the power steering system causing the steering to lock full on in a position slightly right of straight ahead.
okay whats so complicated ? he is going 180 or so and there is a sudden failure with the car - sennas head (RIP) goes a bit left due to the car is no longer turning.Ok not turning ..team mistake. swapping parts tightening bolts - these guys really fkd up.
@cardspell The case is really not as clear cut as that. i have read several reports and books detailing the crash, the team's reaction and the farcical courtcase. The fact is the original verdict which did blame the steering column was overturned due to lack of evidence. My personal view is that the crash was caused by a sudden loss of downforce caused by the car bottoming out. However, if steering was to blame it is far more likely that the power steering system failed.
The question is what was the cause of the accident and not what injure cut his life! Strange and stupid confusion! Many things remain without reasonable explanation. What its true is that Ayrton Senna was uncomfortable with the car , that informatic devices were put away , and that he blamed on account of no stability... He was not attended on his demands, he was left alone and Im afraid he was sent to death.
the severity of the crash killed him ... we know can imagine a crash at 300 km/h will kill you ! but why did he crash ... that is the question .. we know there are some explanations but .. i dont buy theme ... come we know he could do drifts with an F1 car .. he could handle the car .. but this time i didnt see any sine of trying to steer or anything ... something happened
@hvtecfreak On your final point, it is visible that Senna did steer to the right to correct the start of a slide. Also, at 180mph no F1 driver, not even the great Senna, would be able to hold a slide. It is also worth remembering that the Williams was designed to run with Active suspension & traction control. When it was taken away due to regulations it made the car extremley twitchy and unstable.
i think something went wrong ... i didnt see coundent finde the full crash video ... i wanna see that he steers ... all that i can find is after the crash or before ... not the 1.5 seconds before crashing ... ! fuck this ... he was to good to fuck this up ...
@Thorpe741 I feel sorry for you. Imagine being pitiful enough to be so desparate for attention that you'd conside writing such a thing. Surgeons are doing remarkable things these days for people born with micro penises like yourself- your life isnt as hopeless as you may think.
I guess that the only good reason to cut the on board video can be seen in several connected interests mating together:FIA,Williams team,and shortly ,the whole F1 circus.A precise fault couldn't be skipped,had millionths people been watching the steering wheel totally unresponsive and possibly dancing in Senna's hands .
That could be the very first case of charging for a F1team: obv.in F1 no one wants to assume full responsabilities for any consequence coming from failures of any kind.
@indigoblue555 The footage cut was a result of the TV network switching from Senna's car to Sato's car. It happened live, in real time so there can be no question that is part of a conspiracy. Secondly, had the steering column broke the front wheels would have been completley unstable. The reult would of been a very visible snaking effect on the car. This clearly did not happen. If it was a steering failure then it is far likely that it was failure within the power steering system
@chrismarkbicknell HI ! I'm italian and I was watching the San Marino GP on TV. The sudden black out of Senna camera car didn't seem just casualty since the early whiles following the event. Why cutting in the middle of the fastest curve of the track ? I still have the original tape recorded in VHS,I'll take a look at it.
but I remember that the appeared to be pretty strange.
@indigoblue555 Hi, the cut was a piece of shoddy editing. It is really difficult to come to a definitive conclusion. From everything I've seen, read and studied I personally believe that the cause of the crash was caused by the skids catching the bottom of the track the exact second that the Williams over a bump in the track that had been a concern for the drivers for a number of seasons. This caused a catastrophic and instant loss of downforce.
I agree with this, it was the first time the saftey car had ever been deployed and the teams did not account for the loss of tyre pressure while the cars were qued behind the SC this lowered the ride hieght of the car causing it to skip over the bumps in the road.
@chrismarkbicknell who the fuck are you to tell me what to say or what not to say ...i say it when i want it and what ever i feel like saying...so go fuck yourself and by the way your mum says hi...shes geting fucked on the ass the way you got fucked in jail litle cocksuker lol...reply back....so i can have fun again asshole!!!
@rohan9376 Wow, did it take you all day to come up with that one. Quick question, why do people like you turn an informal debate into a personal slanging match?
Do you really take it that personally when somebody has a different opinion to you or are you carrying some unresolved anger issues because you were bullied at school or something?
Anyway, it is clear that you simply can not debate with losing control. Sadly, your attitude just makes you appear childish and, frankly, unintelligent
@chrismarkbicknell when the case has been closed with a guilty verdict for over 4 years and you are such a genius and you dont know really , your the unintelligent one you could not track a elephant through the snow , oh yes nearlly forgot POINDEXTOR
@rohan9376 Yup, and the Italian legal system is totally flawless. As I'm sure Amanda Knox will verify! Anyway, I digress. My question still stands. Why are you, seemingly, incapable of discussing and debating a point without turning it into a slanging match?
You have a point of view, I have another, somebody else on here has a different view to both of us. Is that really justification for personal insults and sarcasm which are totally uncalled for?
@chrismarkbicknell at the end of the day the column theory was was never challenged just other excuses , i do not know of one independent other report , examination of the column which that proved otherwise , which proved the metalurgists , fractures mechanics , were spot on , facts , and i repeat that you are intitled to you opinion , but they are unfounded uneducated facts , i repeat you didnt even know the report existed from bologna
@chrismarkbicknell well ok debate now what evidence do you have to overturn the university of bologna ,reports on the steering shaft , can you provide a report by a fractures mechanic metalurgist , a proffesor of metal urgy btw , that discounts this , and please review your footage of accident , and point out to me where you see them front wheels turn at any time
@chrismarkbicknell also you commented the car would of went in a snake like fashion if steering shaft had of failed ,please you tube search san marino grand prix part 3 , after the accident breifly bbc coverage ends (convinent cut out ) then goes to euro sport version for some minutes showing slow motion of accident tell me what you see
@COCACOLAwithpizza Wow, so your idea of "having fun" is sitting behind your pc typing abuse and you seem to have a thing for 60 old women????/ Hmmmm, I'm not here to judge. :-)
It seems very clear that Senna lost control of the car due to a steering failure. Senna was unbelievably nervous just before the race - told the F1 Physician that he didn't want to race. He had absolutely no confidence in the car. This is pretty clear to me that the Williams crew and car were not race-worthy. He made it to the last lap using his God-given ability to drive. There's no way that he sent himself into that wall. The column failed. He lost control - the fault lies with Williams.
my personal feeling is that if the stearing column was going to fail, wouldnt it have failed at a corner where the stress upon it would have been much greater? theres a hairpin right after tamburello and i cant help but think that if the stearing column was going to fail it would be there... still we'll never know. i dont like to belive williams is hiding anything, but people do love conspiricies!
@canoekid I agree completley. The 2 most feasible theories are 1) a sudden and catostraphic loss of downforce caused by the metal skids hitting a bump on tamburello that had caused several drivers problems during pre season testing. 2) That the power steering system failed. An electrical failure is far more feasible then a complete breakage of the sterring column.
sad. Friday, Barrichello almost died in practice. Saturday, Ratzenburger died in Qualifying. Sunday, Senna died leading the last lap of the Imola GP. Imola 1994 was the worst.
@Ravendreamer77 Even worse, Ratzenberger's death was instant on the track, which by Italian law meant that the event should have been canceled for proper investigation of the accident. That cancellation would have cost the organizers upwards of (then) $6.5 Million USD. Senna (and the other drivers) should not have even been out on the track racing May 1st.
@thesolo That's actually a very good point. In all the discussion about Senna's death this is the first person I know who has actually made the point that the race should never have gone ahead.
@microdol6 i beg to differ they cut from incar to trackside camera just before the impact i have friday saturday and sundays complete unedited footage i will gladly post the footage if required but the camera shot was the same as shown on all videos of the accident .ps not a dig at you just wanted get the fact sorted
@microdol6 never watched it live , its amazing we dont see it (lost footage) appear maybe someone out there taped it live it will turn up one day , do you remember the wheel positions of the car ?? at least making a attempt to take the corner ?? i know all the vids out there bbc murray walker coverage a lot is cut out , even here on you tube the race for 5 10 mins cuts away to euro sport coverage , then back to bbc very interesting
The tv director had access to every single camera on the track and in the cars. They switched to tam cam because ayrtons had gone pete tong. I don't think Williams was hiding Any footage.
The t.v. director may have changed the shot, but the team was getting constant video images from Senna's in-car camera. Of course it was recorded. Why that footage was never made available, or why the FIA did not force the team to hand over the footage is beyond me. I have always been suspicious of this.
@lostwill86 That is what they told you, it is not possible he lose searing that way and there is no any slide to left and that should happen he has second at least to move wells left but he never did. It is possible he did hit the ground but he should go momentarily left and he is not doing it just straight.
3.-The last Tamburello curve called Mr Ayrton Senna seconds before impact is notoriously RIGHT ANGLE positive air to curve to the left as was the curve at that time.
I have thoroughly reviewed the videos of the last turns before the accident and my conclusion is:
1.-Analyzing the FW 16 Formula 1 car as any vehicle as it enters a curve visibly, as can be seen in the videos to change the angle of turn executed by the pilot in the direction of the curve.
2.-A high-speed angle changes are many, but visually very small effect at high speed. But in detail and watching more than once can be viewed.
These pictures dpn't prove anything. The impact was so violent that it destroyed he entire car. It just as plausible that the column broke upon impact. However, the uploader makes a great point about the 1.5 seconds of footage. I dont buy into the steering column theory and i think those last seconds would prove that. However, it would answer the question once and for all
Since my last comment I have done some more digging. The reason the last 1.5 secs are missing are nothing to do with Williams and everything to do with an error made by the production and directing TV team at the cirtcuit. I agree that the missing seconds are a problem but Williams were in n o way to blame for that.
@xxxbdboydstyxxx The missing footage was due to Italian broadcast. during that moment they switch to a more dramatic shot to show how close it was between schumacher and senna. the footage was live feed, transfered direct from the car, only 8 cars where running it that weekend. the broadcaster decided to switch before tamburello began, and it continued rolling for a few seconds untill it switch to the next car. such a shame as it woulda proved so much...
@xxxbdboydstyxxx It's because the camera has a slight delay on what it's filming. Before it can send/store the video images, it has to process it. However, as we saw, it didn't have enough time to process the very last bit.
It could be the buffer of the camera. So when the camera stop sending or recording, the car already crashed. I don't know how the signal was send at that time, if it was digital, it's even more possible.
The camera and the transmitter on board does not belong to Williams but to FIA.
@xxxbdboydstyxxx The ones keeping track of the feed cut the film so those that were watching didn't have to witness him getting killed.Seeing him hopelessly steering with the broken wheel.Most of us wouldn't have liked to see that,I know I wouldn't have.The column broke,a straight forward answer but that's not enough huh,you always think there's something more sinister going on with you people,you think they killed him huh?If so all I have to say is fuck you.
@xxxbdboydstyxxx HI! so,what was there to be hidden at any cost? The only thing I can think of is ....avoid people watching Senna with a steeringwheel dancing in his hands...What else could be seen on the camera car?
But still I canìt understand several sides of this accident.
The column from the weld point down was still intact after accident so the sudden jolt to the wheels could not have caused the column to snap at the point of impact. It sheered from the weld point upwards which would suggest it would have impacted against the Wall or Senna but the car was intact at the point the steering wheel was and Senna was uninjured from the neck down so he never came into contact with it. What has been proven was that the steering shaft had metal fatigue.
@chrismarkbicknell I believe the steering shaft partially failed before the bend and that is why he looks down before the corner to see what is going on? He then continues and as he turns, the steering shaft has had enough and under load snaps as he turns in- this explains why he takes the correct line and then goes off in a straight line after
There is a video of the camera inside senna`s car. and its obviously that the last second before the video stops (propably errased) senna does a nervous movement to the left, indicating that he scared about sth.....
Steering column failed. You can actually see his hands abruptly shift prior to impact. The "theory" has more than enough evidence to prove it's origin. Williams could not deliver Senna a proper car - there was something missing in the communication. Senna performed just as he has always done years prior - the car gave him absolutely NO confidence. Nothing. The fact that he was able to nearly win the race using the incompetent car was just another sign of Senna's unbelievable gift.
"we may never know how/why he died" Really? he died because he crashed. Simple.
e521soediv 4 days ago
I find particularly suspicious the fact there's no onboard footage of the moment of impact.
As well I find suspicious the telemetry box that contained information about the steering movement was returned by Williams to the Italian authorities hammer smashed and unreadable.
I don't want to blame nobody for the accident. It's just I can't stand the feeling I'm being insulted on my intelligence when I read about the "official" cause of the accident.
Youtubax 1 week ago
Simple the best!!!
Baconzzzfull 2 weeks ago
GOOGLE SEARCH: "team would never send a car to the gird with a known minor fault, let alone"
(WITH THE SPELLING TYPO), and you will find an interesting article, but more important by far, many excellent comments with varying ideas. I'm just using that quote to get you to the page, not emphasizing that particular comment.
WHTT 3 weeks ago
Anybody know the name of this beautiful music?
lumo841 3 weeks ago
AYRTON SENNA BY FAR IS THE BESTEST OF ALL TIMES AND HE WAS SO CHARISMATIC THAT HE EVEN FELT HE WAS GOING TO DIE THAT TRAGIC DAY BUT AS A MAN OF GOD HE FEARED NOT HIS FATE!! GOD BLESS U AND HOPE 2 C U THERE WHEN IT IS MY TIME TOO!!!.
Diosvienemuypronto 3 weeks ago
does anyone know the name of his song?
t8035 4 weeks ago
This is an issue that will never be solved (sadly). My thoughts are that the steering column broke on impact rather than during driving - the on board telemetary would back this up. To solve this you would need to have been there at the time. Ultimately one thing we do know is the car got loose (I think due to bottoming out) and he ran out of road and ran out of luck. The car that year was a real shock for Willams, handled very unpredictably and had a tendency to snap oversteer.
JRRacing85 4 weeks ago
adrian newey idiot
simone92vr 1 month ago
He collected the slide but as all race drivers know once you do that you run to the outside of the track and he ran out of road and couldn't do anything once on the gravel. The steering wasn't the problem, Senna's luck run out but yes that williams was a pile of shit but Ayrton still managed pole position, Schumacher and benetton were cheating by using outlawed traction control and ayrton knew it.
RIP
MyCosmicPath 1 month ago 4
@MyCosmicPath It's pretty extreme to call the Williams chassis a piece of shit. It was still a diamond in the rough and had some handling issues that were eventually worked out. The Benetton's hidden traction control gave Schumacher an advantage in the early part of the season. If Senna had survived that impact, he would have clawed his way back into the championship and most probably won it. We'll never know.
Audioquest56 2 weeks ago
@Audioquest56 i agree :)
MyCosmicPath 2 weeks ago
Yes the steering colum broke but the cause of death was his helmet impacted the wall and supension. Thats why from 1996 onward the cars had much higher cockpit sides..
spitfire1936 1 month ago
@spitfire1936 You can't say that "the cause of death was his helmet impacted the wall and suspension" cause if they bought a new steering column none of this would have happened
Just a notice
sadoxra 3 weeks ago
@sadoxra I am just saying what a Doctors report would say
spitfire1936 3 weeks ago
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@spitfire1936 no, the raised cockpit sides were pre HANS device and meant to give the head and neck better support in the event of a crash
billabongodrum1 1 week ago
I mean the steering column... sorry
sadoxra 1 month ago
Many says that Ayrton Senna had told them to put a sorter axis for steering buy they, rather than buy a new one they cut the one they had to make it sorter and they weld it...
If it's an excuse to cover the truth I don't know
sadoxra 1 month ago
@sadoxra That is actually a huge mystery for me. for the last 3 years of F1 before this race (91-93) the most technically advanced team didnt make a NEW longer column but only modified it in this shitty way. Where their brains were and why they didnt use them, I dont know...
AlejjSi 3 weeks ago
Six years ago; while traveling down I684 in New York State; I was doing about 140km/85mph in the left lane. There was traffic to my right in both lanes. The truck in the middle lane shredded a tire and the debris came towards me and my windshield. I hit the brakes and the tires locked up causing smoke to fill the back of my car and the traffic behind me. I was only doing 85mph...what would it look like if I was doing 185mph how much smoke would fill the lanes....you figure it out looks like M
afropoet51 1 month ago
Did it not occur to anyone that the force of his hands hitting the steering wheel when he crashed could have broken the steering column?
Slashbag69 1 month ago
we do know - the tyre pressures were to low after the restart - the heat wasnt in the tyes to perform to there maximum - the car grounded at 185 mph going in to a fast flowing corner(was like losing control on ice) teleemetry shows senna reacted to a 100th of a second to correct direction and had brakes on full but it wasnt enough.
it Was a dreadful accident and nothing more - to suggest the steering column broke is quite frankly redicoulous.
you obviously not a f1 fan to suggest otherwise?
tazong 1 month ago
@tazong why is it so ridiculous to say the steering column broke? Apparently they had to make modifications to the column to suit senna and it was re-welded. And no we dont know that it was the tyre pressures that caused the crash. Again thats just a theory. Theres no proof. But we will never know the real reason.
vfast1 1 month ago
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Rovan92 1 month ago
Senna was a very religious man. now he is with god (racing him maybe)
wingercalFORNIA1234 1 month ago 2
@wingercalFORNIA1234 Racing, and winning :)
LEGENDOFMAXX 1 month ago
@wingercalFORNIA1234 ironically on the 7th lap
agntx79 1 month ago
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@agntx79 research the number 7 in formula 1 it is truly not a lucky number for F1 motorsport
billabongodrum1 1 week ago
r.i.p.senna.
frannyk2012 2 months ago
Adrian Newey believes it was a puncture that caused loss of control, based on pre-crash telemetry, while conceding the steering column would have eventually failed.
kimisdaman 2 months ago
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@kimisdaman I believe Adrian on this matter
billabongodrum1 1 week ago
I believe the steering column breaking theory, for the "driver error" to occur that far through that corner he must have fallen asleep
MrTrophyNuts 2 months ago
00:23 LOL
z5can7c3 2 months ago
Why allways the bests? RIP Senna
( sorry for bad english)
TheYouri12345 2 months ago
at 0:41 thats a angle ive never seen! you can see senas legs rip senna!
janinaman 2 months ago
betoven
xxxbdboydstyxxx 2 months ago
@xxxbdboydstyxxx What symphony exactly ?
Slu4ainika 1 week ago
off point, but what is the beautiful music in this video?
Reabies 3 months ago
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Juzh123 3 months ago
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whats the name of the song?
Juzh123 3 months ago
Of course it is not killed his fault, but mistakenly Constructors, broke his pinion! But like every injustice in the world and it is covered up
am0506sena 3 months ago
lets face it by clearing williams of sennas death was better for everyone...i mean everyone would get away.like f1 wouldnt have to create new rules the sport wouldnt get boring for the spectators team williams wouldnt go after other teams saying alcame they do that and we cant i mean was just better for eveyone not to start problems becasue would become very expensive.but at least dont lie motherfukers senna died cause the williams car was a piece of shit and the collum broke
COCACOLAwithpizza 4 months ago 20
The one thing I do not see in any of the videos before the crash; that is if the steering column really broke...why didn't we see SMOKE from the back tires indicating Senna wanting to BREAK to slow down the car!!!!! Any driver who loses control of his car BREAKS FIRST! Something is fishy here! email me if you agree indewaleed@msn.com
afropoet51 1 month ago
@afropoet51 i cant tell if ur troll or just stupid sorry.
Parkerthe1 1 month ago
@afropoet51 BRAKE!!!!!
vfast1 1 month ago
@COCACOLAwithpizza Sure ... The good thing is that all deaths not been in vain ... future cars were made safer.
The same happens outside ... Some lose their lifes to help others (without knowing it) by making the roads and cars safer
sadoxra 3 weeks ago
@COCACOLAwithpizza Your an ignorant moron. The reason he went off the road because his car bottom out because of it being so low like all the other cars. (4mm of clearance) He lost maybe 70 percent of his downforce and couldnt recover it. When he did slide after that he did counter steer and the wheels did move. Proving the steering column wasnt the problem
mrtitsmigee 2 weeks ago
@mrtitsmigee actually watch the footage again. the tire never moves at all. there is a video out on yt showing cars counter steering after a slide at high speed and the tires clearly move a good 10 mm. senna's car never corrected cause the steering column came apart in his hand. proof is everywhere, including the 2007 court case that concluded that indeed the column gave way. but due to italian law, nobody was sentenced cause the case was brought up years after senna dying.
PurpleMonkeyWaffle 1 week ago
@COCACOLAwithpizza nobody needs to lie with this, you can't make a definitive statement "the column broke" the simple fact is nobody knows, and nobody will know. If it is your opinion that the column broke, then that is fine, but it is just an opinion, not fact. (and i say this a huge senna fan who was 12 at the time he died and was crying my eyes out about it... and watching the recent Senna film made me cry also.
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rohan9376 4 months ago
@rohan9376 yeah hes just an asshole thats all he is.
COCACOLAwithpizza 4 months ago
@COCACOLAwithpizza hes gone now we will all miss frank
rohan9376 4 months ago
He is still the best. even if he is dead
R.I.P Senna was the GREATEST ! We all know that
TheRadoman 4 months ago
so imo anyone says otherwise and they examined the column and have a degree in fractures mechanics of metalurgy professor of metalurgy from the university of bologna , these guys are national resource specialists there findings would hold up in court with air crash investigations , and go in check the trial results and hearings , case was upheld 2007 , end quote , and as for the movement of the steering column go to you tube search what nat geo did not tell you on senna and watch
rohan9376 4 months ago
@rohan9376 its so obvious.even how they try to say that was aproblem with the downforce and on that paticular lap senna was caming faster than the previous lap i mean u cant believe nothing that bbc and national geografic produces its only good to look.like when they lied about the mccans. british press protected that monsters and they blamed the portuguese police and acuse tham of trying to get a gilty veredict when later on wikileaks its proven that was in fact the british police who got tham!
COCACOLAwithpizza 4 months ago
@COCACOLAwithpizza we have the truth on our side and the truth remains today in the final verdict and if you have a group of fractures mechanics from a major universty whos evidence would stand up in a air crash who examined the car , well thats pretty hard fact to overturn , as for this bloke we are discussing this with ,who is so up with it ,but didnt even know there was a upheld case 4 years ago back in 2007 , hes a fool
rohan9376 4 months ago
april 13 2007 case number 15050 actually final findings
rohan9376 4 months ago
its the official cause of death , go to wikepedia it has all the trial results , and some very smart fractures mechanics ,involved in giving evedince
rohan9376 4 months ago
@rohan9376 I think you should read more then just wikipedia. I have read some very detailed reports on this case & the trial was played out in a "kangeroo court" and should never have gone to trial but for the fact that it was in Italy which has a unique legal system regarding motor sport. Anyway, the verdict of broken steeling column was later overturned. Therefore the official cause of the crash is still unexplained.
chrismarkbicknell 4 months ago
@chrismarkbicknell 2007 the case was up held steering column
rohan9376 4 months ago
@rohan9376 The verdict was over turned after an appeal. You need to double read the reports
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rohan9376 4 months ago
@chrismarkbicknell can you give me the case number or verdict number on this overturned case , have you read the report out of bologna universty ? i presume you havent , i have ,do a search 15050 senna crash verdict guilty , f f s
rohan9376 4 months ago
@chrismarkbicknell it looks like your are here in fact to judge lol...but who gives a fuck what you think or your judgement.lets face it you are here saying that our beloved ayarten senna the best driver ever died with human error and that the the collum of his car didnt broke..like you saying that ayrtan lost control because the car was tricky,he lost control and died on THAT PATICULAR EASY FAST CORNER.you insulting senna s fans imop.my opinion hes that you are a wanker that s been here all day
COCACOLAwithpizza 4 months ago
@COCACOLAwithpizza At no point did say it was down to driver error.
chrismarkbicknell 4 months ago
I CAN NEVER UNDERSTAND WHY Gavin FISHER / Alan YOUNG make a STEERING WHEEL SO FRAGIL AND WORST. PRECIPITATION TRYING TO CHANGES MODIFICATION ON SENNA CAR 30 APRIL 1994.. OCASSION THE TRAGIC DEATH OF A GREAT MAN. THIS IS THE REAL TRUE ABOUT SENNA ACCIDENT.
JRoca79 4 months ago
@JRoca79 No it isn't. You are omissing several key facts. The modified column was fitted to both Senna and Hill's cars, they were fitted at the start of the season and they passed all safety checks by the FIA. If, and I personally don't believe the steering failure theory, there was a steering failure it is far more likely that the power steering failed. It was Patrick head's first reaction when he saw the crash happen and is stioll the theory amongst several other engineers.
chrismarkbicknell 4 months ago
@chrismarkbicknell modifications were madeon 30th April on Senna's car. You can see from the accident senna photos the central part of the steering wheel is thinner! You can see Senna moved to the left the wheel in a desperate action and strong braking trying to stop the car .. and the wheels do not obey their reaction!
JRoca79 4 months ago 3
@JRoca79 You need to remember a couple of key facts. 1) Williams were cleared on appeal. Therefore the steering column theory was disproved. 2) The steering modifications were made to both Hill's and Senna's cars at the start of the season, were checked & approved by the FIA.
However, although I don't think the crash was caused by any form of steering malfunction, it's possible that a power steering failure may have caused the accident. My point. Power steering is a more likelymalfuction.
chrismarkbicknell 4 months ago
@chrismarkbicknell i dont agree with you about you say.
JRoca79 4 months ago
@chrismarkbicknell cleared on appeal were they poindextor
rohan9376 4 months ago
@chrismarkbicknell hey asshole!ARE YOU FRANK WILLIAMS BY ANY CHANCE???
COCACOLAwithpizza 4 months ago
@JRoca79 yep it was modified again
rohan9376 4 months ago
I keep so strong in my opinion about the crash of Ayrton! He came out right on the curve ..he had no direction. No steering wheel! Hill's theory is false! Coulthard and the theory too! Hill says Senna make a driving mistake! is a joke? is incredible! and Coulthard said that the steering wheel is not broke! is curious.. 2 Williams driver protecting Williams......
JRoca79 4 months ago
@JRoca79 yep it is so frustrating case no 105050 , trial 2007 steering column failure ,and some very senior fractures mechanics proffesors of metalurgy ,were involved ,and examined the column they claim that it had already fractured as far back as the warm up lap ,everyone has there opinion , and the steering column theory wasnt overturned its the offical cause of death , 2007 , car retrurned to williams destroyed by williams , engine went back to renault fate unknown
rohan9376 4 months ago
@rohan9376 The original verdict was overturned on appeal, the car was returned to Williams, as you've stated, in 2007 a full 13 years after the crash and the discretion of the courts not at the request of Williams. The engine is irrelevent as it played no part in the accident. There has still never been an official verdict that has reached. if steering was to blame, and I don't believe it was, then it is more likely that it was due to a major power steering failure causing the wheel to lock.
chrismarkbicknell 4 months ago
@chrismarkbicknell GOOGLE SEARCH CASE NUMBER 15050 SENNA TRIAL END QUOTE
rohan9376 4 months ago
@rohan9376 Hi, could you do me a favor. I have searched for the case number and although I can find plenty of wikipedia articles, plenty of unofficial websites, blogs and forums and plenty of new pages what I can't find is the actual case file. The problem is that wikipedia, blogs and forums are very subjective mediums & I would really like to read the actual case file. Could you please let me know where I could find it. Thank you.
chrismarkbicknell 4 months ago
@chrismarkbicknell you havent searched that hard have you
rohan9376 4 months ago
@chrismarkbicknell put a application in to the italian courts , i am suprised you were not there to give your expert opinion
rohan9376 4 months ago
@rohan9376 Ok, well as you are incapable of debating appoint like an intelligent person I won't trouble you any more. However, might I suggest that if sarcasm is your default response to a reasonable question that you refrain from engaging in debates or discussions in the future as it is perfectly clear that you are unable to debate a point in an intelligent manner.
chrismarkbicknell 4 months ago
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@chrismarkbicknell you cant admit you are wrong
rohan9376 4 months ago
@chrismarkbicknell did you follow up the last courts evedince poindextor verdict 15050
rohan9376 4 months ago
it's amazing how thin walled of a tube was used to sleeve the steering column comparative to the regular thickness of the steering column. It's pretty obvious that metal fatigue caused this accident.
murfdaddy1976 5 months ago
@murfdaddy1976 It is not the case at all. The column was fitted at the start of the season to BOTh Hill's and Senna's car. They also passed the rigorous FIA checks. If steering failure was the cause of the crash, and personally I don't think it was, it is far more likely that it was caused by a massive failure within the power steering system causing the steering to lock full on in a position slightly right of straight ahead.
chrismarkbicknell 4 months ago
okay whats so complicated ? he is going 180 or so and there is a sudden failure with the car - sennas head (RIP) goes a bit left due to the car is no longer turning.Ok not turning ..team mistake. swapping parts tightening bolts - these guys really fkd up.
cardspell 5 months ago
@cardspell The case is really not as clear cut as that. i have read several reports and books detailing the crash, the team's reaction and the farcical courtcase. The fact is the original verdict which did blame the steering column was overturned due to lack of evidence. My personal view is that the crash was caused by a sudden loss of downforce caused by the car bottoming out. However, if steering was to blame it is far more likely that the power steering system failed.
chrismarkbicknell 4 months ago
r.i.p the gr8test driver ever
siddpurple 5 months ago
The question is what was the cause of the accident and not what injure cut his life! Strange and stupid confusion! Many things remain without reasonable explanation. What its true is that Ayrton Senna was uncomfortable with the car , that informatic devices were put away , and that he blamed on account of no stability... He was not attended on his demands, he was left alone and Im afraid he was sent to death.
karolus2007 5 months ago
the severity of the crash killed him ... we know can imagine a crash at 300 km/h will kill you ! but why did he crash ... that is the question .. we know there are some explanations but .. i dont buy theme ... come we know he could do drifts with an F1 car .. he could handle the car .. but this time i didnt see any sine of trying to steer or anything ... something happened
hvtecfreak 5 months ago
@hvtecfreak On your final point, it is visible that Senna did steer to the right to correct the start of a slide. Also, at 180mph no F1 driver, not even the great Senna, would be able to hold a slide. It is also worth remembering that the Williams was designed to run with Active suspension & traction control. When it was taken away due to regulations it made the car extremley twitchy and unstable.
chrismarkbicknell 4 months ago
i think something went wrong ... i didnt see coundent finde the full crash video ... i wanna see that he steers ... all that i can find is after the crash or before ... not the 1.5 seconds before crashing ... ! fuck this ... he was to good to fuck this up ...
hvtecfreak 5 months ago
He's dead. Who cares?
Thorpe741 5 months ago
@Thorpe741 I feel sorry for you. Imagine being pitiful enough to be so desparate for attention that you'd conside writing such a thing. Surgeons are doing remarkable things these days for people born with micro penises like yourself- your life isnt as hopeless as you may think.
akedwards76 5 months ago
@Thorpe741 You are either 9 years old or a total idiot. That man was more than everything you will ever be. Even to total strangers.
You are not important even to your family.
RHCPflealiveforever 5 months ago
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Certainly not you dickhead
cass276 5 months ago
I guess that the only good reason to cut the on board video can be seen in several connected interests mating together:FIA,Williams team,and shortly ,the whole F1 circus.A precise fault couldn't be skipped,had millionths people been watching the steering wheel totally unresponsive and possibly dancing in Senna's hands .
That could be the very first case of charging for a F1team: obv.in F1 no one wants to assume full responsabilities for any consequence coming from failures of any kind.
indigoblue555 5 months ago
@indigoblue555 The footage cut was a result of the TV network switching from Senna's car to Sato's car. It happened live, in real time so there can be no question that is part of a conspiracy. Secondly, had the steering column broke the front wheels would have been completley unstable. The reult would of been a very visible snaking effect on the car. This clearly did not happen. If it was a steering failure then it is far likely that it was failure within the power steering system
chrismarkbicknell 4 months ago
@chrismarkbicknell HI ! I'm italian and I was watching the San Marino GP on TV. The sudden black out of Senna camera car didn't seem just casualty since the early whiles following the event. Why cutting in the middle of the fastest curve of the track ? I still have the original tape recorded in VHS,I'll take a look at it.
but I remember that the appeared to be pretty strange.
Greetings.
indigoblue555 4 months ago
@indigoblue555 Hi, the cut was a piece of shoddy editing. It is really difficult to come to a definitive conclusion. From everything I've seen, read and studied I personally believe that the cause of the crash was caused by the skids catching the bottom of the track the exact second that the Williams over a bump in the track that had been a concern for the drivers for a number of seasons. This caused a catastrophic and instant loss of downforce.
chrismarkbicknell 4 months ago
@chrismarkbicknell HI! I agree with your point of wiev about the true reason of Senna's lost of control.
Eventhough I admit too many dark sides and unknown things are there to allow people like me to express a theory.
indigoblue555 4 months ago
I agree with this, it was the first time the saftey car had ever been deployed and the teams did not account for the loss of tyre pressure while the cars were qued behind the SC this lowered the ride hieght of the car causing it to skip over the bumps in the road.
snowypods 4 months ago
@indigoblue555 you should be proud of the italian investgators , they changed f1 i m o of safety
rohan9376 4 months ago
@chrismarkbicknell who the fuck are you to tell me what to say or what not to say ...i say it when i want it and what ever i feel like saying...so go fuck yourself and by the way your mum says hi...shes geting fucked on the ass the way you got fucked in jail litle cocksuker lol...reply back....so i can have fun again asshole!!!
COCACOLAwithpizza 4 months ago
@COCACOLAwithpizza i think he has gone back to the track to further examine the accident scene , L O L
rohan9376 4 months ago
@rohan9376 Wow, did it take you all day to come up with that one. Quick question, why do people like you turn an informal debate into a personal slanging match?
Do you really take it that personally when somebody has a different opinion to you or are you carrying some unresolved anger issues because you were bullied at school or something?
Anyway, it is clear that you simply can not debate with losing control. Sadly, your attitude just makes you appear childish and, frankly, unintelligent
chrismarkbicknell 4 months ago
@chrismarkbicknell when the case has been closed with a guilty verdict for over 4 years and you are such a genius and you dont know really , your the unintelligent one you could not track a elephant through the snow , oh yes nearlly forgot POINDEXTOR
rohan9376 4 months ago
@rohan9376 Yup, and the Italian legal system is totally flawless. As I'm sure Amanda Knox will verify! Anyway, I digress. My question still stands. Why are you, seemingly, incapable of discussing and debating a point without turning it into a slanging match?
You have a point of view, I have another, somebody else on here has a different view to both of us. Is that really justification for personal insults and sarcasm which are totally uncalled for?
chrismarkbicknell 4 months ago
@chrismarkbicknell at the end of the day the column theory was was never challenged just other excuses , i do not know of one independent other report , examination of the column which that proved otherwise , which proved the metalurgists , fractures mechanics , were spot on , facts , and i repeat that you are intitled to you opinion , but they are unfounded uneducated facts , i repeat you didnt even know the report existed from bologna
rohan9376 4 months ago
@chrismarkbicknell well ok debate now what evidence do you have to overturn the university of bologna ,reports on the steering shaft , can you provide a report by a fractures mechanic metalurgist , a proffesor of metal urgy btw , that discounts this , and please review your footage of accident , and point out to me where you see them front wheels turn at any time
rohan9376 4 months ago
@chrismarkbicknell also you commented the car would of went in a snake like fashion if steering shaft had of failed ,please you tube search san marino grand prix part 3 , after the accident breifly bbc coverage ends (convinent cut out ) then goes to euro sport version for some minutes showing slow motion of accident tell me what you see
rohan9376 4 months ago
@rohan9376 actually more visible at full speed from behind bbc coverage i feel part 3
rohan9376 4 months ago
@chrismarkbicknell yep the sound of silence farewell
rohan9376 4 months ago
@COCACOLAwithpizza Wow, so your idea of "having fun" is sitting behind your pc typing abuse and you seem to have a thing for 60 old women????/ Hmmmm, I'm not here to judge. :-)
chrismarkbicknell 4 months ago
It seems very clear that Senna lost control of the car due to a steering failure. Senna was unbelievably nervous just before the race - told the F1 Physician that he didn't want to race. He had absolutely no confidence in the car. This is pretty clear to me that the Williams crew and car were not race-worthy. He made it to the last lap using his God-given ability to drive. There's no way that he sent himself into that wall. The column failed. He lost control - the fault lies with Williams.
msoup72 5 months ago
that race should have been postponed....
tsharpmac420 5 months ago
my personal feeling is that if the stearing column was going to fail, wouldnt it have failed at a corner where the stress upon it would have been much greater? theres a hairpin right after tamburello and i cant help but think that if the stearing column was going to fail it would be there... still we'll never know. i dont like to belive williams is hiding anything, but people do love conspiricies!
canoekid 6 months ago
@canoekid i know.... these youtube experts claiming they know it all...fuck them
flipsidedogchop 5 months ago
@canoekid I agree completley. The 2 most feasible theories are 1) a sudden and catostraphic loss of downforce caused by the metal skids hitting a bump on tamburello that had caused several drivers problems during pre season testing. 2) That the power steering system failed. An electrical failure is far more feasible then a complete breakage of the sterring column.
chrismarkbicknell 4 months ago
Poor poor man. Legend. Just finished reading the life of senna book and going to see the film. He was a good man. God bless him '~'
RacingDoctor123 6 months ago
he died because one of the tires hit him on the head.
19tommykid 6 months ago
@19tommykid no tire, part of right suspension hit him.
vprmn 6 months ago
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@vprmn the right front tire bounced off the wall and snapped his neck
ISAACFLIP1989 6 months ago
there is no mystery btw court findings are on wikepedia , proffesors of fractures mechanics etc all testimony etc ,
rohan9376 7 months ago
if only he lives to tell us what had happened..... :'(
supmateo123 7 months ago
sad. Friday, Barrichello almost died in practice. Saturday, Ratzenburger died in Qualifying. Sunday, Senna died leading the last lap of the Imola GP. Imola 1994 was the worst.
Ravendreamer77 7 months ago 9
@Ravendreamer77 Even worse, Ratzenberger's death was instant on the track, which by Italian law meant that the event should have been canceled for proper investigation of the accident. That cancellation would have cost the organizers upwards of (then) $6.5 Million USD. Senna (and the other drivers) should not have even been out on the track racing May 1st.
thesolo 5 months ago
@thesolo That's actually a very good point. In all the discussion about Senna's death this is the first person I know who has actually made the point that the race should never have gone ahead.
chrismarkbicknell 4 months ago
@Ravendreamer77 wasnt the last lap. But yes, Imola, May 1994... very sad.
ernete01 5 months ago
@Ravendreamer77 it was lap 7, not even close to the end you spak!!
iiAJAY37 4 months ago
@iiAJAY37 ok. god.. i didnt know the lap is that such a problem?
Ravendreamer77 4 months ago
@Ravendreamer77
Not to forget the spectators who died after the crashes at the start of the race.
Westwoooooooood 4 months ago
@Westwoooooooood i am quite certain no one died through the start crash
rohan9376 4 months ago
@rohan9376
Yeah you're right. A quick check on wikipedia confirms this. 9 people were injured, 2 seriously.
Westwoooooooood 4 months ago
@Westwoooooooood horrible weekend , watched it live terrible ,hopefully they will clean indy cars up also after this weeks events , aswell
rohan9376 4 months ago
You folks did not watch the race LIVE, did you?
I did, and they showed the entire crash from Senna's in car camera, only AFTER it was learned he had been killed has it been edited out.
I remember it like it was yesterday, the car hitting the wall, and the RF tire coming back in a flash and striking the cockpit area.
But as I said, unless you saw it, or taped the race, you never saw it.
microdol6 7 months ago
@microdol6 i beg to differ they cut from incar to trackside camera just before the impact i have friday saturday and sundays complete unedited footage i will gladly post the footage if required but the camera shot was the same as shown on all videos of the accident .ps not a dig at you just wanted get the fact sorted
andy2e1sob 7 months ago
@microdol6 never watched it live , its amazing we dont see it (lost footage) appear maybe someone out there taped it live it will turn up one day , do you remember the wheel positions of the car ?? at least making a attempt to take the corner ?? i know all the vids out there bbc murray walker coverage a lot is cut out , even here on you tube the race for 5 10 mins cuts away to euro sport coverage , then back to bbc very interesting
rohan9376 7 months ago
The tv director had access to every single camera on the track and in the cars. They switched to tam cam because ayrtons had gone pete tong. I don't think Williams was hiding Any footage.
Jamiet958 8 months ago
The t.v. director may have changed the shot, but the team was getting constant video images from Senna's in-car camera. Of course it was recorded. Why that footage was never made available, or why the FIA did not force the team to hand over the footage is beyond me. I have always been suspicious of this.
redpod 8 months ago
prisao perpetually blamed for the death of Senna!
yasminvargas2011 8 months ago
Wow you're such a hypocrite, you defame ryan dunn's death and yet you have video's dedicated to someone who died driving really fast.
Xxmalice667 8 months ago
the cars under tray rubbing the ground caused the loss of grip sending him into the wall... he was a goner =[ we miss you ayrton
lostwill86 9 months ago
@lostwill86 That is what they told you, it is not possible he lose searing that way and there is no any slide to left and that should happen he has second at least to move wells left but he never did. It is possible he did hit the ground but he should go momentarily left and he is not doing it just straight.
tramvaj12 9 months ago
3.-The last Tamburello curve called Mr Ayrton Senna seconds before impact is notoriously RIGHT ANGLE positive air to curve to the left as was the curve at that time.
ivangutierrez71 9 months ago
I have thoroughly reviewed the videos of the last turns before the accident and my conclusion is:
1.-Analyzing the FW 16 Formula 1 car as any vehicle as it enters a curve visibly, as can be seen in the videos to change the angle of turn executed by the pilot in the direction of the curve.
2.-A high-speed angle changes are many, but visually very small effect at high speed. But in detail and watching more than once can be viewed.
ivangutierrez71 9 months ago
These pictures dpn't prove anything. The impact was so violent that it destroyed he entire car. It just as plausible that the column broke upon impact. However, the uploader makes a great point about the 1.5 seconds of footage. I dont buy into the steering column theory and i think those last seconds would prove that. However, it would answer the question once and for all
chrismarkbicknell 10 months ago
@chrismarkbicknell
we have different theory's, but my question is, why are those 1.5 seconds of Film missing?
Why when Senna is about to hit the Wall the Film ends? Makes me think that Williams was and is hiding something.
xxxbdboydstyxxx 10 months ago 14
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Since my last comment I have done some more digging. The reason the last 1.5 secs are missing are nothing to do with Williams and everything to do with an error made by the production and directing TV team at the cirtcuit. I agree that the missing seconds are a problem but Williams were in n o way to blame for that.
chrismarkbicknell 10 months ago
@xxxbdboydstyxxx wasn't that controlled by the FIA world feed and not Williams?
Bryan2799 9 months ago
@xxxbdboydstyxxx The missing footage was due to Italian broadcast. during that moment they switch to a more dramatic shot to show how close it was between schumacher and senna. the footage was live feed, transfered direct from the car, only 8 cars where running it that weekend. the broadcaster decided to switch before tamburello began, and it continued rolling for a few seconds untill it switch to the next car. such a shame as it woulda proved so much...
RgRacingTV 9 months ago
@xxxbdboydstyxxx It's because the camera has a slight delay on what it's filming. Before it can send/store the video images, it has to process it. However, as we saw, it didn't have enough time to process the very last bit.
ThyBiding 8 months ago
@xxxbdboydstyxxx
It could be the buffer of the camera. So when the camera stop sending or recording, the car already crashed. I don't know how the signal was send at that time, if it was digital, it's even more possible.
The camera and the transmitter on board does not belong to Williams but to FIA.
1943vermork 7 months ago
@xxxbdboydstyxxx The ones keeping track of the feed cut the film so those that were watching didn't have to witness him getting killed.Seeing him hopelessly steering with the broken wheel.Most of us wouldn't have liked to see that,I know I wouldn't have.The column broke,a straight forward answer but that's not enough huh,you always think there's something more sinister going on with you people,you think they killed him huh?If so all I have to say is fuck you.
FlyingBoxHead 6 months ago
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indigoblue555 6 months ago
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@xxxbdboydstyxxx HI! so,what was there to be hidden at any cost? The only thing I can think of is ....avoid people watching Senna with a steeringwheel dancing in his hands...What else could be seen on the camera car?
But still I canìt understand several sides of this accident.
indigoblue555 6 months ago
@xxxbdboydstyxxx
Williams team was the first to have access to Senna's car black box...then it was given to FIA.
lanerlima 6 months ago
@chrismarkbicknell who the hell are you ????
Williams director ????
panosdrifting 9 months ago
@panosdrifting Very mature and intelligent response.
chrismarkbicknell 9 months ago
@chrismarkbicknell here is a mature question....
can you please tell me the reason why ayrton senna is dead this moment???
panosdrifting 9 months ago
@chrismarkbicknell /watch?v=h6Wwx22mzMU&feature=related
I think this will give you the answer.
metal502 8 months ago
The column from the weld point down was still intact after accident so the sudden jolt to the wheels could not have caused the column to snap at the point of impact. It sheered from the weld point upwards which would suggest it would have impacted against the Wall or Senna but the car was intact at the point the steering wheel was and Senna was uninjured from the neck down so he never came into contact with it. What has been proven was that the steering shaft had metal fatigue.
raul1976lips 8 months ago
@chrismarkbicknell I believe the steering shaft partially failed before the bend and that is why he looks down before the corner to see what is going on? He then continues and as he turns, the steering shaft has had enough and under load snaps as he turns in- this explains why he takes the correct line and then goes off in a straight line after
raul1976lips 8 months ago
@chrismarkbicknell
There is a video of the camera inside senna`s car. and its obviously that the last second before the video stops (propably errased) senna does a nervous movement to the left, indicating that he scared about sth.....
(couldnt turn id say.........)
makismit 6 months ago
Steering column failed. You can actually see his hands abruptly shift prior to impact. The "theory" has more than enough evidence to prove it's origin. Williams could not deliver Senna a proper car - there was something missing in the communication. Senna performed just as he has always done years prior - the car gave him absolutely NO confidence. Nothing. The fact that he was able to nearly win the race using the incompetent car was just another sign of Senna's unbelievable gift.
msoup72 5 months ago