The Lewinski scandal was NOT an "affair". Bill Clinton had authority over an employee and (though concentual) exploited her. As such Gov Sanford's assessment is correct. If Clinton were a CEO he could clearly lose his job.
Not so Sanford. You may disagree with his choices, but his motivation was world's apart from Clinton's. Rightly or wrongly, Sanford gave up his family and political career because he fell in love.
Those who promote Sanford's impeachment liken it to a serviceman dereliction of duty or desertion. If we impeached every politician for that then BUSH should have been arrested, tried and then shot or hung for desertion in time of war during Vietnam. It is true that Sanford deserted his state and office without designating a substitute to go to S. America for adultery and that alone is an impeachable offense. But since he is a civilian it is not a capital offense like BUSH was,
I'm inclined to agree with the premise that it's wrong for a high official to mislead the public, although the Clinton example is far, far less detrimental to the public interest than virtually everything the Bush administration did.
The problem with political sectarianism though is that people will always throw moral equivalence back at you.
I think if an official commits perjury then he/she should not be in office; the thing is, it really shouldn't have gone that far over oral sex.
hey the elaphants have a wild one here!!! sanford listened to too much fallwell him and his moral majority.fallwell had everyone convinced the democrats were the devil's own!!! hey i think of myself as being a skirt chasing,beer drinking democrat. why couldn't this guy listen??? fallwell couldn't have been that far off center,everytime i listened to him he would bitch about clinton for ten minutes and the rest of the time he sucked on everyones ass for money!!!
Yes, the circumstances in Iraq were not the best. No shit. So, Bush was a humanitarian? Where was Bush throughout the atrocities being committed in Ethiopia? Oh wait! I remember, now! He was giving the people committing the atrocities support to invade Somalia!
Oh, but I'm sure you and your precious Fox news team have something different to say.
Me think for myself? You believe that we invaded Iraq for a just cause... Sir, I think you should go to First grade, Learn to read books with the big words, and read anything written by a reliable source. Lush Rimjob and Fox News, NOT reliable sources for anything.
"In some wars, every person, regardless of age or sex, had to be consider a hostile."
So the entire population of the 1.2 Million Iraqis killed since we invaded Iraq have been necessary? And how many of them do you think were truly armed?
Let be real. We did not kill anywhere near 1.2 million Iraqis in Iraq. Let's remember that nearly one million children were starving to death before we invaded. Let's also remember the tens of thousands that were being raped, killed, and then buried in mass graves before we invaded as well.
The reality of war today is that terrorists can be children, women, and older people. The enemy does not wear a uniform nor follow the rules of war. Civilian deaths are regrettable, but unavoidable.
Of course, if the government chose to make it easier for Americans to adopt American children, instead of following Jolie's example of buying a few from each country, this wouldn't be the case any longer. But instead we fund wars.
The fact is, yes, war should be a LAST resort. You're obviously a Republican, given your beliefs. Look at the facts on who started this war. Look at the facts, that's it. Republicans claim that war should be a last resort but use it as a first because of profits.
If you want to argue the merits of war. I am willing to do that. It is however a separate debate from the one on abortion.
Both Democrats and Republicans voted for the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is the current Democrat President that is expanding the war now into Pakistan. It is a flaw premise to say Republicans want war for profit. The war in Iraq was justified and correct.
"The war in Iraq was justified and correct. " Ok, Conversation's done. You're obviously on crack, heroin, and LSD if you actually believe this to be true.
The facts are out, buddy.
Bush ADMITTED that we attacked Iraq to defend his "Daddy"<---His EXACT word choice. "I mean, this is the man that tried to kill my daddy." Look it up, fuck.
There never were any WMDs and the "facts" that you state about conditions in Iraq are irrelevant.
Bush took out Saddam for SEVERAL reasons. LOOK THAT UP YOUR VULGAR MORON! The conversation was done the minute you started typing. No one knew for sure what Saddam had or did not have. What we knew for sure was that he trying to get them and since he bought of the UN with the Oil for Food program, he would have eventually gotten them.
Sure, you can ignore the facts and believe the liberal propaganda if you want.
It is a flawed premise to say Republicans want war for profit? Both parties take money from the arms industry and contractors. Bush invaded Iraq so that the white house could have "veto power" over Indian, Chinese and EU use of mid east oil and of course he wanted to have the profits go to US companies(like his dad's) "liberal propaganda" propaganda is a deliberate, systemic intent to "manufacture consent", which makes every aspect of that statement false
If children are killed by accident, that's one thing, however, there have been multiple cases where children simply couldn't speak English and were approaching American soldiers during hostile situations, FOR PROTECTION, and were MURDERED. Simply because our soldiers aren't trained to shoot at the fuckers with guns. Don't argue, I'm not pulling this outta my ass, I'm pulling it out of the experience of family members that've been in most wars(combined) since WW2. Fuck you Joe.
No one is disputing that war is a dirty business sometimes. That is why war should always be a last resort. In some wars, every person, regardless of age or sex, had to be consider a hostile. Women would strap on bombs and blow themselves up as would children.
Each situation is different. All killing is not murder any more than all sex is rape. However war and abortion are two separate issues.
I don't understand how you can say that abortion is wrong. Wrong from a religious standpoint? To be honest with you, there is no God. There's the earth, us, lower animals and possibly life elsewhere. Now that I got that out of the way, the only issue is population control. You know why we allow deer to be hunted for sport? It keeps them out of cities. And if the unwanted children are treated the same way, it keeps them out of the orphanages, where they'd likely spend their entire childhood.
Respectfully, I don't want to argue religion with you. You have fallen victim to nonsense justifications for abortion on demand. We have had decades of legal abortions and over 30 million children killed. Tell me, why do we still have unwanted children? Why do we still have child abuse? Why do we still have millions of children in foster care? When you devalue the life of a unborn child, why would you think it would magically make a born child's life more valuable?
If a Democratic elected official was in a similar predicament, I wonder what Sanford would say and advise him to do? Oh wait, we already know. IT'S ABOUT THE HYPOCRISY!
When he plotted, mislead & abandoned his charged responsibility to the people of SC for a wild S. American sexcapade, he was not morally erect....just erect. Ain't Lady Karma the baddest bitch? And, she is kicking his ASS!
You no longer have your words & wifey is about to take your balls. What's left? Hell?
Difference: Clinton was impeached for PERJURY (lying UNDER OATH) and obstruction of justice. The lie happened to be about his adulterous ways, but the adultery in and of itself was not the reason he was impeached.
The GOP seem to be a party grounded in hypocrisy in that they go out of their way to pull the wool over our eyes about what they are not. I.E.: Fox News has to tell us upfront that they are fair & balance. Conservatives have to use the modifier compassionate to prove they have any...& it ends up an oxymoron, like good witch. Not enough room to list the rest. Norm Coleman advises stepping aside for healing....until he's behind in the vote count (abt. 9 months & counting)
You have no idea what you are talking about. The Democrats fight to save a sexual predator and then talk about respecting women. Democrats "find" votes when they need them, but claim Republicans steal elections.
Also, it turns out their fiscal conservatism is really just a hat they take off when they hold the wallet & put back on when they are in the minority. These fiscal Conservatives are suddenly popping up like Jan. 20th was the 1st day of Spring or last day of hibernation.
Well, the Cheney/Bush admin. did conveniently hire Enron accountants to cook the books & hide the real cost of our deficit spending, so maybe it didn't look so bad. A HUGE chunk of that "off the books" war money ironically went to their cronies in various ways. I have to give them props for the scheme. Those were some official gangstas; of the highest caliber.
If you can shoot a man in the face & have him apologize to you for that...that's gangsta.
Yeah, you gotta give Cheney props for that one. He must be really feared to have a guy apologize to him for having his face in the way of his shotgun blast.
How? There was no WMD! So why go when we did not have to! Thats a waste of man power and funds right? Iraq did NOT commit 911! So why waste funds there? Thats cost our country more then just money. If you had any common sense you would look at EVERY thing not just what party did what!
NO ONE knew for sure what Saddam had or did not have. What we knew for sure it that he was trying to get them. How successful he had been no one knew because he refused the monitoring and inspections.
Iraq was necessary for several reasons. Strategically, it was a brilliant move and protected this nation from another attack. Most Americans cannot realize that because they don't think strategically.
Trying??? Bush said there was no WMD! So what are you talking about? Whats strategic about going to the wrong country that did not attack us? You're stupid! LOL!! So why not take on No. Korea? They have Nukes! You don't have commonsense you have Comeon man sense! LOL!! You're Lost! Like all those who watch Fox news!
You have no idea what you are talking about. Saddam was in violation of the cease-fire agreement from the first Gulf war. He was trying to get WMDs. He had bought off the Security Council nations with the Oil for Food program.
Careful what you say, we will have to deal with North Korea soon enough.
Again, this is the same as saying, "That guy isn't really one of us. True conservatives don't behave that way". That is always the stuff you guys say when one of you messes up. Sanford has an affair? "We are still the party of "family values", he just slipped but the rest of us are clean". Bush spend a surplus into a deficit? "We are still the party of fiscal responsiblity, he just slipped but you can trust the rest of us". That just isn't going to cut it anymore with the people.
How can you point fingers at Republicans when the Democrats have never been fiscally disciplined. The surplus was with a Republican Congress imposing that discipline on President Clinton. Now you have the Democrats in charge and they are spending FAR FAR more the Republicans ever would have approved. Talk about hypocrisy.
You are almost there, Joe. Let me see if I can bring it home. Eh, em....The Dems never claimed to be the party of fiscal responsibility nor the party of family values. The discussion is about how pervasive hypocrisy seems to be within the party. Sanford the stone thrower is just one shining example. That's why this video was posted in the 1st place. I believe I am getting through.
No, you are missing the point. Democrats want to talk out of both sides of their mouths. They want to claim the surplus created by Republicans, but not be held accountable for their spending. Yes, the Republicans spent as well. However they had to deal with 911 and the economic cost.
There is no comparison between the Sanford and Clinton situation. Being unfaithful to one's wife is despicable in my book. I cut no one any slack for it. However what Clinton did was far, far worse.
So when the republicans had H&S under bush and went into a Fake war! Thats not a waste? We did not need to go into Iraq. So that was a lie and a wates of lives and money. Bush did not even care for the troops when the War started. There hum-vess had no armor and they did not have enough troops to start. So these dummys did not know why and what to do when they got there. Also NONE have been to War but they know when to start a war? Yeah Talk about hypocisy! There all chicken hawks!
The war in Iraq was absolutely necessary. Yes, mistakes were made. Mistakes are made in every war. Church said, "War is a catalog of mistakes". However by invading Iraq, we were able to force the terrorists to confront our military in a Muslim country. You never want to fight a war on your own soil.
Biggest mistake was attacking a country that did not attack us! You scream that he MAY have had something. But it was not found. So anybody can attack because they might have something? LOL!! Boy you're dumb! Damn! So why not hit no.Korea there shooting at our soil? Wake up! Go on facts not assumption! It seems that your a follower of fox News. Am i Right?
Then they should have been called the Silent Fiscal Conservatives, b/c they were awfully quiet for a real long time.
That socialist prescription drug bill (a wink & nod to the pharmaceutical industry) that we can't possibly afford, but was rammed thru congress, was a nice Silent Fiscal Conservative touch. That's the hypocrisy that annoys...like Sanford's moral high ground retreat in the Argentinian ample mountains.
Conservatives opposed the drug bill. It was the Democrats that wanted it. Had they opposed it, it never would have passed. That will be nothing compare to what President Obama is going to do to healthcare.
No, it wouldn't have passed had Bush not amended it to a simple majority decision & Cheney cast the final deciding vote. Nicely done.
Look, we need good, competent opposition to make the country run well. I'm afraid the GOP will lose so much credibility & becomes such caricatures, that they will become almost obsolete for a long time to come. That's not good for the country. Blatant hypocrisy drives as many voters away as the GOP leadership is doing by itself with it's internal chaos.
That's why stepping down after his AWOL, affair & lying is more important to the GOP's wellness than Clinton's resignation was for the Dems. Sanford not resigning does more damage to the GOP (who are already as low as they could be) than it would for the Dems. Particularly, b/c of the GOP values platform & the stink they made about this issue with Clinton. That's the political reality.
Keep him in...suit yourself.. It's your funerals in 2010 & 2012. You just came back from on in '08.
Not true... The GOP needs to get back to it's conservative base and stop all this moderate crap. McCain's defeat proves that moderates are losers.
A true conservative candidate would beat President Obama soundly. The problem is that one has to overcome both his or her own party as well as the Democrats and liberal media.
Has anyone recently asked Sanford if he still thinks that Clinton should have stepped down over his affair, after going AWOL & putting the his state in jeopardy by lying to everyone; while he was having adulterous sex on another continent? Please someone ask him. He was so outspoken on it back then.
How can a thinking person equate these two incidents? Clinton took advantage of a young, White House intern. He lied to a FEDERAL JUDGE and GRAND JURY. He conspired to hide evidence and told others to lie to investigators.
What Sanford did was wrong. I believe he should resign his office. I believed that Clinton should have resigned his. However there is no comparison between the two. Clinton was far, far worse.
He should apologize to his wife, family, and the people of his state............ and at this point should probably step down, however, I agree it does not compare with what Clinton did with a young girl and employee, and then lied about before us all.
What you people [right-wingers] don't seem to understand is that we on the left don't think Sanford should resign because he had an affair. Or even that he lied about it. We're not comparing what Clinton did to Sanford's actions and saying, "He did the same [or worse] thing Clinton did so he should resign". What we're saying is he set the standard when he said that Clinton should resign for his lying and cheating. Had he not made such a big deal about Clinton's BJ, we wouldn't care.
I do understand. I understand that Democrats could care less about morality or family values or even sexual harassment. If you can rationalize killing millions of unborn children for decades, I am not surprised you could "Clinton's BJ".
What you don't want to face is that Clinton was not impeach for a BJ. He was impeach for lying to a federal judge, grand jury, and suborning perjury. These are serious matters for a sitting president. He was and is a sexual predator. That's the problem.
What does abortion have to do with this argument? You self-righteous imposers want to tell everyone else how to behave while you're not following your own rules. This is called hypocrisy. That's what this is all about. You can't go around calling yourselves pro-life when you condone the killing of innocent people in a war we had no business waging. You can't call gays "deviants" when you get caught in an airport men's room trying to get lucky. You can't say "do as I say, not as I do."
I call it what it is. It is murdering an unborn child for the convenience a woman. There is no hypocrisy. There is no comparing abortion with the casualties in a war. That is just foolish.
Gays are deviants. I practice what I preach. The fact that someone does not, in no way changes what the truth is. You cannot justify murdering unborn children by accusing others of hypocrisy. I hold everyone to the same moral and ethical standard regardless of party or past.
Your opinions on gays are just that, your opinions. The law should not be based on opinion. As far as abortion goes, you and I have had this discussion before so you know where I stand.
There is no evidence that people are born "homosexual", NONE. Objectively speaking, we are all born heterosexual, biologically speaking. Anything else is deviant behavior. For decades, homosexuality was consider deviant and a mental illness. Suddenly, for political reasons, it was redefined. Without a shed of scientific evidence, it is now OK. There is no such a thing as "sexual orientation". There is no biological or genetic difference between homosexuals and heterosexuals. NONE!
When that war was unjustified in the first place, everyone who died is a tragedy. Yes, this can be compared to abortion because this was an unnecessary war. The right condones that but they have a problem with a woman aborting a child she can't afford to feed or clothe. Then, the right has a problem with providing welfare to the women who can't support these children. How are these women supposed to care for these babies? The right doesn't care. They're own their own.
The war was justified. Saddam was seeking WMDs. Saddam was not complying with the cease-fire agreement. His removal was absolutely necessary.
I have more than a problem with murdering an unborn child for convenience. Don't even try to hand me this "can't afford to feed or clothe" nonsense. She should stay off her back and keep her legs together until she can "afford" to have children. Why shouldn't she suffer the consequences for her own slutty behavior? Why should I have to pay?
The reasons given for going to war with Saddam included the notion that he HAD WMDs. Now, you guys are saying he was SEEKING WMDs. You're full of crap and anyone with half a brain can see it. As for your slutty behavior remark, these are usually the "young, immature and foolish" women that you speak of. How come Lewinsky gets the royal treatment from you but you refer to these other ones as "sluts"?
No one knew for sure what he had or did not have. That was why we invaded. Better that we removed him BEFORE he got one than wait until he had one to give to terrorists.
Lewinsky is a slut too, but that has nothing to do with murdering a child for being inconveniently conceived. These are not "young, immature, and foolish" women. These are women who are using abortion as cheap birth control. Research the numbers and see how many of these women have multiple abortions.
I have researched it. The majority of women only have one abortion. You can condone the war in Iraq but you have a problem with a poor woman aborting her child. A child who would likely end up on welfare that you would be trying to take away from it. You people are ridiculous.
Better check your research again. Many of them have several abortions.
War is war. Sadly, people die. Millions were dying in Iraq before we invaded. Children were being starved to death.
I have a moral objection to murder. Killing a child cannot be justified with the old line "every child a wanted child". Over 30 million abortions and we still have children in poverty being abused. Devaluing their lives did not help the situation. It just made it worse.
Booyah! You are killing these fools with reason, bee. They don't seem to mind the blatant, over the top hypocrisy.
Clinton lied to get great stress relieving HUMMERS (which may have improved his job performance). Bush lied to keep HUMMERS filled with Gulf oil. Please give me a body count on each lie & see if a lie is a lie in the real world. It's like talking to little kids with these dittoheads.
You are absolutely right. Which lie was more harmful? Clinton's lie about an affair [which anybody who's having one, would tell] or Bush's lie about Saddam having ties to Al-Quaeda and thus going to war in Iraq? Let's tally up the harm done to the nation. It's no contest.
Clinton lied to a FEDERAL JUDGE. That is the difference. Bush never lied about the war. He gave several reasons for our involvement. You are just disappointed that Saddam did not have stockpiles of weapons to use against our military.
Sanford's words about Clinton don't speak to the illegality of Clinton's behavior. His condemnation of Clinton was a moral one. Since he now is guilty of the same things, cheating and lying, he should do what he said Clinton should have done. You can keep bringing up perjury and grand juries all day. That still doesn't change what Sanford said. He was attacking Clinton from a moral standpoint and so all the legality is set aside.
OK, let's talk about the morality of exploiting a young intern. Sanford's affair was wrong. I make no excuses for it. However his affair was with a woman of his own age and not under his authority.
In a corporate setting, what Clinton did would have gotten him FIRED. Sanford's moral failure does not make Clinton's less of a failure. Both should have resigned. But they are not the same situation.
Do you think that Lewinsky was reluctant to get involved with Clinton? Was she of legal age to have a consensual relationship with him? The answer to the first question is no. If you read any of her conversations with the woman who spilled it all [ I forgot her name] you see plainly that she was into the situation of her own free will. As for her age, she was in her 20s. She was definitely of age.
I never said she was not of age, just not his age. Legally, she could engage in the relationship. She was young and foolish and immature. BUT HE WAS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
Again, just because she was young it doesn't mean she was "immature and foolish" Just as being older doesn't mean a person isn't "immature and foolish". She said she flirted often with the President. She knew what she was doing. She is in no way an innocent.
I am not excusing her behavior at all. However he was the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. He was an authority over her. He did not slip once but several times.
Clinton's sexual behavior isn't the problem. The problem is you people want to dictate how other people should live their lives and behave. As long as people conduct themselves within the law and don't harm others, why should you care what they do? This whole "family values" policy is nothing more than a bunch of hypocritical BS.
Yes, Clinton's sexual behavior is the PROBLEM. He is and was a sexual predator. That is the reason was sued in the first place. Numerous women came forward to say so. Of course, they were attacked as trailer trash and sluts.
As a liberal you don't respect family values, I get that. However many people believe and live by them. We don't have affairs. We don't sexual harass young women. We abuse the power of being president to molest women. You can excuse that behavior if you want.
Your claim that "we don't have affairs" is hogwash. You guys are not morally superior, you just claim to be. Then you get busted, one-by-one, and claim that that's just that guy, the rest of us are clean. Yeah right. You're all a bunch of liars and cheaters and sinners, just like everybody else. The difference is you want everyone else to be pure and innocent while you're nothing of the sort.
Not at all! I know I am not perfect. I never claim to be perfect. However being imperfect is not the same as being completely and wholly immoral. You can excuse President Clinton for what he did if you want. He broke the LAW by lying to a FEDERAL Judge. He obstructed a FEDERAL investigation.
Who is completely and wholly immoral? This isn't about defending immorality. This is about knowing that EVERYONE is capable and likely to make mistakes. Let's not judge others too harshly because then we invite the same on us.
I'm not defending immorality. I don't care one way or the other about what any man does with a consenting adult. That's my position. If he cheated on his wife, that's between him and his wife, not the rest of us. We elected him President, not our husband.
So sexual harassment is no big deal. Lying to a FEDERAL judge is OK too then. What if the other adult does not consent? Should he be allow to punish her for not putting out? You elected a sexual predator as President and then defend him when he did what he always did.
What he lied about is what I care about. You bring up hypotheticals that have nothing to do with this situatiuon. Lewinsky said she flirted with him. He didn't prey on her. She made it known she was interested. Where in that situation is Clinton a predator?
I see. blame the twenty year old intern. She seduced him and he could not help himself. What about ALL the other women who came forward? He lied in a court of law to protect himself, not his wife or his reputation.
Newt was cheating on his wife at the sametime as Clinton but he did'nt say that at the time and he was the house specker, McCain Cheated on his sick 1st wife with Cindy, Rudy Cheated on his wife and his kids hate him. David Vitter cheated on his wife with a hooker like spitzer! Larry Crieg and Foley both Gay! Palin's Family daughter preggo! Where is the Conservative? Republicans have NONE! So who are the real Conservatives because there not Republicans! So Who? Everyone must be Liberal huh?
Being conservative does not make you perfect. Not being perfect does not mean you abandon all morality and values. You can lecture me on values when you stop killing unborn children for convenience. Until then, you have no moral foundation from which to be judgmental.
"Do not judge lest you be judged, for every measure you use, you will likewise be judged". These are the words of Jesus in the New Testament texts. The moment morality stops being used as a political football, maybe thenw e can have a discussion of real morality.
I am quite willing to be judged by the same "measure" I judge others. Morality is morality. There is nothing political about it. You kill an unborn child for convenience sake, that is immoral. Nothing changes that reality.
Aparently Being a Conservative does not either! So Why does that party act as if they are so good? when they are not! People see how Phony republicans are. Because the real commonsense is that people are human and not an Idea. Republicans show how much there own family value BS is so false. They can not even do it! So please stop thinking your good by just saying it and then turn around and do the total opposite. Stop saying perfect words and doing disgusting things! There Phony man wake up!
You are looking solely at a few Republicans who have failed. Most of the time, they paid the price at the ballot box. The problem is that infidelity would be a resume' enhancement if they were a Democrat.
This Repugnantan should never have spewed his crap about family values when he couldn't follow his own lectures. A resume enhancement why? Because of Clinton? He never hypocritically stated that people should not be doing whatever while doing it himself. Yet another Christian hypocrite, adulterer, liar, who believes that, because he goes to church, he is completely forgiven and should be exonerated for his every transgression.
Wrong, having high morals is good. Just because someone fails does not make the standards wrong. There is no comparing what he did to Clinton.
It is a resume' enhancement because Democrats have no morality to follow or standards to maintain. They lie on a daily basis without regard. They support the murder of unborn children. They support giving special recognition to people who choose to engage in homosexuality as if they were the same as normal folks.
For someone named commonsensejoe, I find it ironic you're making broad handed generalizations about democrats. Although not a democrat myself I do find your ignorance amazing.
"Democrats have no morality." First of all, not all democrats support abortion and gay marriage. I know several who do not personally. Opinions on these topics are not the sole determinants for morality anyway.
Please, proofread before you post and make sure you're not lying about anyone. It's a sin after all.
Obviously we are ALL generalizing here, and not speaking about specific people. Democrats are the party of "CHOICE" by their own admission. If you support murdering unborn children, you have no morality in my book. It is the sole determinant for me. When you can justify killing an innocent child for convenience, where is your morality? On what is it based?
So it's less moral to choose to kill an unborn child to save it from a life of poverty and pain, than to kill MASSES of children between the ages of 2-15 simply because of where they were born? Don't play that "Moral" card when trying to support the Grand Ole Pissants, you're ALWAYS going to be wrong.
First, are you seriously are advocating killing children to save them for a "possible" life of poverty and pain? If it is justified before birth, why not after?
Who is killing masses of children because of where they were born? Sounds like Saddam to me!
I'm not going to argue your ignorance on the abortion issue.
However, claiming that the slaughtering masses of children that's been happening under Republican rule, is just claiming blindness. The fact is, all you have to do is look at a history book, talk to a soldier who's been on the front lines, or even read a book, and you'll see the truth. The people who support your simple minded beliefs that everything is black and white are murderers. Not the doctors.
Are you serious? The fact is, abortion is not a cut and dry issue. There are cases where it's not immoral(I.E. situations where mother and/or child is definitely going to die.) You can't argue that. Shut it.
Now, about the child deaths in Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, Vietnam, and Every other country we have waged war on for both unjust and just reasons. We have trained our soldiers to just kill, not think.
They shoot CHILDREN, fuck you, that's cut and dry immoral.
There are cases where an abortion is MEDICALLY NECESSARY. That is not what we are talking about. Abortion on demand is nothing more than killing an unborn child for the convenience of the mother. How is that not "cut and dry"? We have murdered over 30 million.
Yes, there are casualties and even atrocities in war. I don't dispute that. Those who do so have and should be prosecuted to full extent of military law. One has nothing to do with the other.
All Republicans have! And people like you give them a pass when they are not following there family values. You can not have iit both ways. Family Values does not excuse a cheater. So why do you? Because you're Liberal! right? Only Liberals do that so why are you trying to make it seem like Conservative and Liberal are the same. Oh when republicans act Human then it's OK! But when you try to get a vote your people Lie to you and make up this Phony Family Values BS as if they will never Cheat!
Neither does Conservatives! You can't JUST say it and not live it! thata why everyone is Liberal! In your world as long as they say there conservative it's ok to do a Liberal act? Nobody has any values? Where you going to vote for McCain? He Cheated too! Or maybe was it Rudy? He Cheated too and dresses in drag! So as you see You don't have anybody to vote for because Conservative is ONLY an Idea that is not lived! Reublicans=Phony
Liberals=MORE PHONY! That's what i don't like about your kind, you ovverreact and worry and become rheemed with guilt. Stop listening to those Liberal phonies and become INDEPENDENT like me. I'm not Conservative, im Independent.
Haha...Clinton stood in front of a camera and said "I did not have sex with that woman." So I wouldnt call him a hypocrite for voting to impeach Clinton, but for the shear fact that he had an affair is enough for him to resign on the grounds of a major character flaw. Vote Ron Paul 2012!!!!
You're an idiot. Obama never had an affair with any man. You right-wingers are so desperate to find dirt on Obama, that you'll believe anything negative thing said about him. I live in Chicago so I know that whole story is bullshit. You're the same guy who made that disgusiting video condonig Dr. Tiller's murder. That just about says everything that needs to be said about you. You're an idiot that only cares about the law or the truth when it favors your beliefs.
it's all just a matter of time before the photos with the donkeys surface on all of them. I've heard that there are more pedophiles posing as elected officials than in all other profession combined. These are the people YOU keep voting for. Isn't voting like insanity? Repeating an action and expecting a different outcome? Just throwing that out there. Something to think about. That's why things suck. It's government. The cause of ALL PROBLEMS.
Gov. Sanford should resign, and both he and Bill Clinton owe the People an apology for moral terpitude while in office...That's what you get when the little head is thinking for the big head...
Clinton already apologized to the American people as did Governor Sanford to the people of S.C.. Sanford should resign because of the standard he set by his own words. If he doesn't resign, it doesn't matter. His political career is over. Unless he becomes a Democrat. LOL!
beeshor1, do you remember Clinton's; "It depends on what the definition of is, 'is'"? He never admitted to having sex with Lewinsky, so he couldn't have apologized to the People for his acts.
And yes, Sanford should resign, and it does make a difference. Right is right, and wrong is wrong especially when we vote someone into office.
The days of the political elite, Dem or Rep, running rough-shod over the People is quickly coming to an end...
True too. He has to go. He was "throwing" a lot of apologies "out there" during his news conference... I think he should be smart enough to know that his issue won't die off that easy
In typical Republican, sexually unattractive fashion, the hypocritical governor of South Carolina had to haul his ass all the way to Argentina to get lucky. Bill Clinton never had to leave his desk. South Carolina has a long history of hypocrisy. Strom Thurmond, who was going to stop all race mixing, didn't mind mixing with a black woman's vagina and making a baby. Cheers!
Funny that Essie Mae resembles Thurmond. His & Nancy's children never really resembled him. Hmmmm. By the way, that's how blacks got their "education" back then.
I don't care if a politician has an affair & I don't even care if he lies about it....UNLESS HE'S ONE OF THESE ASSHOLES WHO'S BEEN GOING AROUND TALKING OF "FAMILY VALUES" & ACTING ALL SUPERIOR TO OTHERS.
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History is already laughing at that gang of idiots - the GOP sex police congress. Nothing, and I mean nothing was going to stop those hypocrites!
What a complete and utter waste of time and taxpayer $. Hell, if the "crime" of lying about sex under oath gets you impeached (lol), then what's the just punishment for Bush and Cheney? Crucifixion?
As a liberal I hope Sanford sticks around and fights for his job. Keep this ridiculous and embarrassing story in the press for weeks or even months. This thing could easily span multiple news cycles
We worry about extra-marital affairs in US meanwhile:
Breaking news
Wilson Trezza Brazilian ABINs intelligence director spoke to international press in Moscow about Air France airbus flight 447 which crashed from Rio to Paris on June 1st.
He made a statement regarding a possibility of a bomb explosion.
He is not sorry - only sorry that he got caught. He is still infatuated with that bimbo. Listen to him - he may be going back to Argentina pretty soon.
Natural order of things nice have to wait for women to get cheated on by bad guys before they finally get the girl (to clean up the mess and pick up the peices).
Then beat the odds and marry a fat, hairy, nerdy, loving, and very under appreciated nice guy.
Otherwise.... Ya... your story will probably be the same as... I don't know... I think the over 50 percent divorce rate, the high cheating rates, and everything else kinda speaks for itself :P
(note this is just a joke on a serious subject... I don't know if it's funny, if it is, only because it's pretty much true.)
Hahah ya seriously people who marry for the wrong reasons have so much pain and annoyance to deal with later. I am actually very much in love with an under-appreciated nice guy :) ... but the relationship is too young to talk marriage... and the father of my child was/is fat. ... LOL I know I'm rare LOVE ME!
I totally hear your point I feel bad for women who believe these men... but them part of me says they shouldn't be so dumb... oh well.
eeehhh - flying to Argentina to get pus..y 4 times on the taxpayer's dime (probably at over one thou a trip) is illegal! But I'm sure Mark Sanford doesn't think that doing something illegal is grounds to be impeached.
The Lewinski scandal was NOT an "affair". Bill Clinton had authority over an employee and (though concentual) exploited her. As such Gov Sanford's assessment is correct. If Clinton were a CEO he could clearly lose his job.
Not so Sanford. You may disagree with his choices, but his motivation was world's apart from Clinton's. Rightly or wrongly, Sanford gave up his family and political career because he fell in love.
Clinton was a creep and sacrificed nothing.
razumfrackle 2 months ago
Sanford is an IDIOT. Good riddance.
ObamAtheist 1 year ago
Those who promote Sanford's impeachment liken it to a serviceman dereliction of duty or desertion. If we impeached every politician for that then BUSH should have been arrested, tried and then shot or hung for desertion in time of war during Vietnam. It is true that Sanford deserted his state and office without designating a substitute to go to S. America for adultery and that alone is an impeachable offense. But since he is a civilian it is not a capital offense like BUSH was,
exenrontexas 2 years ago
Did Ron Paul vote for Clinton's impeachment?
Just curious
fomastephanovitch 2 years ago
What I can gather from all I have read, yes.
soultosqueezeplease 2 years ago
I'm inclined to agree with the premise that it's wrong for a high official to mislead the public, although the Clinton example is far, far less detrimental to the public interest than virtually everything the Bush administration did.
The problem with political sectarianism though is that people will always throw moral equivalence back at you.
I think if an official commits perjury then he/she should not be in office; the thing is, it really shouldn't have gone that far over oral sex.
fomastephanovitch 2 years ago
Would it really be that hard to click a few keys on a keyboard and find out?
baddave62 2 years ago
Tell me about it!
I'm with him all the way on that!
If he gets caught having an affair, then I'll become a hypocritical university lecturing communist
fomastephanovitch 2 years ago
Yes
hivelocity100 2 years ago
NO. Only Senators vote for impeachment. The House of Representatives has no vote for that.
exenrontexas 2 years ago
Cenk 2012.
TAz69x 2 years ago
I never feel sorry for exposed hypocrites. Fuck Mark Sanford. I am glad his family left him.
Mxyzptlk562 2 years ago 9
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Just wow.... You really have to calm that ego of yours. Your like Micheal Moore without the facts, evidence and humor!
YokHon 2 years ago
I feel sorry for Mark Sanford, even though he is a hypocrite.
Hopefully in a few years it'll become a joke and we'll be saying 'DAYUM! MARK SANFORD BE GETTIN SOME ASS' Like we do with Clinton.
Killcows 2 years ago
you don't see kinky friedman doing this
kinky never went out of his way to fuck over anyone, i would like to see kinky run for president in 2012 the elaphants for sure would get beat.
GoToJim4 2 years ago
hey the elaphants have a wild one here!!! sanford listened to too much fallwell him and his moral majority.fallwell had everyone convinced the democrats were the devil's own!!! hey i think of myself as being a skirt chasing,beer drinking democrat. why couldn't this guy listen??? fallwell couldn't have been that far off center,everytime i listened to him he would bitch about clinton for ten minutes and the rest of the time he sucked on everyones ass for money!!!
GoToJim4 2 years ago
Yes, the circumstances in Iraq were not the best. No shit. So, Bush was a humanitarian? Where was Bush throughout the atrocities being committed in Ethiopia? Oh wait! I remember, now! He was giving the people committing the atrocities support to invade Somalia!
Oh, but I'm sure you and your precious Fox news team have something different to say.
I am, however, done with this conversation.
modelcitizen5797 2 years ago 4
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I figured you would cut and run. I know thinking for yourself is difficult. Try though.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Me think for myself? You believe that we invaded Iraq for a just cause... Sir, I think you should go to First grade, Learn to read books with the big words, and read anything written by a reliable source. Lush Rimjob and Fox News, NOT reliable sources for anything.
modelcitizen5797 2 years ago 3
Joe
"In some wars, every person, regardless of age or sex, had to be consider a hostile."
So the entire population of the 1.2 Million Iraqis killed since we invaded Iraq have been necessary? And how many of them do you think were truly armed?
modelcitizen5797 2 years ago 2
Let be real. We did not kill anywhere near 1.2 million Iraqis in Iraq. Let's remember that nearly one million children were starving to death before we invaded. Let's also remember the tens of thousands that were being raped, killed, and then buried in mass graves before we invaded as well.
The reality of war today is that terrorists can be children, women, and older people. The enemy does not wear a uniform nor follow the rules of war. Civilian deaths are regrettable, but unavoidable.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Of course, if the government chose to make it easier for Americans to adopt American children, instead of following Jolie's example of buying a few from each country, this wouldn't be the case any longer. But instead we fund wars.
The fact is, yes, war should be a LAST resort. You're obviously a Republican, given your beliefs. Look at the facts on who started this war. Look at the facts, that's it. Republicans claim that war should be a last resort but use it as a first because of profits.
modelcitizen5797 2 years ago 3
If you want to argue the merits of war. I am willing to do that. It is however a separate debate from the one on abortion.
Both Democrats and Republicans voted for the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is the current Democrat President that is expanding the war now into Pakistan. It is a flaw premise to say Republicans want war for profit. The war in Iraq was justified and correct.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
"The war in Iraq was justified and correct. " Ok, Conversation's done. You're obviously on crack, heroin, and LSD if you actually believe this to be true.
The facts are out, buddy.
Bush ADMITTED that we attacked Iraq to defend his "Daddy"<---His EXACT word choice. "I mean, this is the man that tried to kill my daddy." Look it up, fuck.
There never were any WMDs and the "facts" that you state about conditions in Iraq are irrelevant.
modelcitizen5797 2 years ago 7
Bush took out Saddam for SEVERAL reasons. LOOK THAT UP YOUR VULGAR MORON! The conversation was done the minute you started typing. No one knew for sure what Saddam had or did not have. What we knew for sure was that he trying to get them and since he bought of the UN with the Oil for Food program, he would have eventually gotten them.
Sure, you can ignore the facts and believe the liberal propaganda if you want.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
" The war in Iraq was justified and correct." ???? How and by Who? No WMD! Sooooo! How was it justified?
phuture101 2 years ago 2
It is a flawed premise to say Republicans want war for profit? Both parties take money from the arms industry and contractors. Bush invaded Iraq so that the white house could have "veto power" over Indian, Chinese and EU use of mid east oil and of course he wanted to have the profits go to US companies(like his dad's) "liberal propaganda" propaganda is a deliberate, systemic intent to "manufacture consent", which makes every aspect of that statement false
tonyac42 2 years ago
Ran outta room.
If children are killed by accident, that's one thing, however, there have been multiple cases where children simply couldn't speak English and were approaching American soldiers during hostile situations, FOR PROTECTION, and were MURDERED. Simply because our soldiers aren't trained to shoot at the fuckers with guns. Don't argue, I'm not pulling this outta my ass, I'm pulling it out of the experience of family members that've been in most wars(combined) since WW2. Fuck you Joe.
modelcitizen5797 2 years ago
No one is disputing that war is a dirty business sometimes. That is why war should always be a last resort. In some wars, every person, regardless of age or sex, had to be consider a hostile. Women would strap on bombs and blow themselves up as would children.
Each situation is different. All killing is not murder any more than all sex is rape. However war and abortion are two separate issues.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
I don't understand how you can say that abortion is wrong. Wrong from a religious standpoint? To be honest with you, there is no God. There's the earth, us, lower animals and possibly life elsewhere. Now that I got that out of the way, the only issue is population control. You know why we allow deer to be hunted for sport? It keeps them out of cities. And if the unwanted children are treated the same way, it keeps them out of the orphanages, where they'd likely spend their entire childhood.
modelcitizen5797 2 years ago
Respectfully, I don't want to argue religion with you. You have fallen victim to nonsense justifications for abortion on demand. We have had decades of legal abortions and over 30 million children killed. Tell me, why do we still have unwanted children? Why do we still have child abuse? Why do we still have millions of children in foster care? When you devalue the life of a unborn child, why would you think it would magically make a born child's life more valuable?
Abortion is murder.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Quoting 'Gladiator', awesome icing on the cake dude! Lol!
Swordsquire 2 years ago
Sanford has gone from a disgrace to a punchline in record time. Resign already, you muppet.
LuvChaos 2 years ago
Bill may have cheated but he never abandoned his office to do it. You niggas want talk reprehension?
voen 2 years ago
True, that's because he taking advantage of a White House intern under his authority.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
If a Democratic elected official was in a similar predicament, I wonder what Sanford would say and advise him to do? Oh wait, we already know. IT'S ABOUT THE HYPOCRISY!
When he plotted, mislead & abandoned his charged responsibility to the people of SC for a wild S. American sexcapade, he was not morally erect....just erect. Ain't Lady Karma the baddest bitch? And, she is kicking his ASS!
You no longer have your words & wifey is about to take your balls. What's left? Hell?
ThatguyNice 2 years ago
Difference: Clinton was impeached for PERJURY (lying UNDER OATH) and obstruction of justice. The lie happened to be about his adulterous ways, but the adultery in and of itself was not the reason he was impeached.
therock3823 2 years ago
The GOP seem to be a party grounded in hypocrisy in that they go out of their way to pull the wool over our eyes about what they are not. I.E.: Fox News has to tell us upfront that they are fair & balance. Conservatives have to use the modifier compassionate to prove they have any...& it ends up an oxymoron, like good witch. Not enough room to list the rest. Norm Coleman advises stepping aside for healing....until he's behind in the vote count (abt. 9 months & counting)
It's in their culture.
ThatguyNice 2 years ago 2
You have no idea what you are talking about. The Democrats fight to save a sexual predator and then talk about respecting women. Democrats "find" votes when they need them, but claim Republicans steal elections.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Also, it turns out their fiscal conservatism is really just a hat they take off when they hold the wallet & put back on when they are in the minority. These fiscal Conservatives are suddenly popping up like Jan. 20th was the 1st day of Spring or last day of hibernation.
ThatguyNice 2 years ago
Thatguy
Again, you are absolutely, dead-on correct. Where were the tea-parties during Bush's spending us out of a surplus and into deficit?
beeshor1 2 years ago
Well, the Cheney/Bush admin. did conveniently hire Enron accountants to cook the books & hide the real cost of our deficit spending, so maybe it didn't look so bad. A HUGE chunk of that "off the books" war money ironically went to their cronies in various ways. I have to give them props for the scheme. Those were some official gangstas; of the highest caliber.
If you can shoot a man in the face & have him apologize to you for that...that's gangsta.
ThatguyNice 2 years ago
Thatguy
Yeah, you gotta give Cheney props for that one. He must be really feared to have a guy apologize to him for having his face in the way of his shotgun blast.
beeshor1 2 years ago
We know the real deficit and no one was trying to hide it. The war costs us. Terrorism would have cost us more.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
How? There was no WMD! So why go when we did not have to! Thats a waste of man power and funds right? Iraq did NOT commit 911! So why waste funds there? Thats cost our country more then just money. If you had any common sense you would look at EVERY thing not just what party did what!
phuture101 2 years ago
NO ONE knew for sure what Saddam had or did not have. What we knew for sure it that he was trying to get them. How successful he had been no one knew because he refused the monitoring and inspections.
Iraq was necessary for several reasons. Strategically, it was a brilliant move and protected this nation from another attack. Most Americans cannot realize that because they don't think strategically.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Trying??? Bush said there was no WMD! So what are you talking about? Whats strategic about going to the wrong country that did not attack us? You're stupid! LOL!! So why not take on No. Korea? They have Nukes! You don't have commonsense you have Comeon man sense! LOL!! You're Lost! Like all those who watch Fox news!
phuture101 2 years ago
You have no idea what you are talking about. Saddam was in violation of the cease-fire agreement from the first Gulf war. He was trying to get WMDs. He had bought off the Security Council nations with the Oil for Food program.
Careful what you say, we will have to deal with North Korea soon enough.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
True conservatives have always been fiscal conservatives. They have been critical of both the Republicans and the Democrats for spending too much.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Common
Again, this is the same as saying, "That guy isn't really one of us. True conservatives don't behave that way". That is always the stuff you guys say when one of you messes up. Sanford has an affair? "We are still the party of "family values", he just slipped but the rest of us are clean". Bush spend a surplus into a deficit? "We are still the party of fiscal responsiblity, he just slipped but you can trust the rest of us". That just isn't going to cut it anymore with the people.
beeshor1 2 years ago
How can you point fingers at Republicans when the Democrats have never been fiscally disciplined. The surplus was with a Republican Congress imposing that discipline on President Clinton. Now you have the Democrats in charge and they are spending FAR FAR more the Republicans ever would have approved. Talk about hypocrisy.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
You are almost there, Joe. Let me see if I can bring it home. Eh, em....The Dems never claimed to be the party of fiscal responsibility nor the party of family values. The discussion is about how pervasive hypocrisy seems to be within the party. Sanford the stone thrower is just one shining example. That's why this video was posted in the 1st place. I believe I am getting through.
ThatguyNice 2 years ago
No, you are missing the point. Democrats want to talk out of both sides of their mouths. They want to claim the surplus created by Republicans, but not be held accountable for their spending. Yes, the Republicans spent as well. However they had to deal with 911 and the economic cost.
There is no comparison between the Sanford and Clinton situation. Being unfaithful to one's wife is despicable in my book. I cut no one any slack for it. However what Clinton did was far, far worse.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
So when the republicans had H&S under bush and went into a Fake war! Thats not a waste? We did not need to go into Iraq. So that was a lie and a wates of lives and money. Bush did not even care for the troops when the War started. There hum-vess had no armor and they did not have enough troops to start. So these dummys did not know why and what to do when they got there. Also NONE have been to War but they know when to start a war? Yeah Talk about hypocisy! There all chicken hawks!
phuture101 2 years ago
The war in Iraq was absolutely necessary. Yes, mistakes were made. Mistakes are made in every war. Church said, "War is a catalog of mistakes". However by invading Iraq, we were able to force the terrorists to confront our military in a Muslim country. You never want to fight a war on your own soil.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Biggest mistake was attacking a country that did not attack us! You scream that he MAY have had something. But it was not found. So anybody can attack because they might have something? LOL!! Boy you're dumb! Damn! So why not hit no.Korea there shooting at our soil? Wake up! Go on facts not assumption! It seems that your a follower of fox News. Am i Right?
phuture101 2 years ago 3
Then they should have been called the Silent Fiscal Conservatives, b/c they were awfully quiet for a real long time.
That socialist prescription drug bill (a wink & nod to the pharmaceutical industry) that we can't possibly afford, but was rammed thru congress, was a nice Silent Fiscal Conservative touch. That's the hypocrisy that annoys...like Sanford's moral high ground retreat in the Argentinian ample mountains.
ThatguyNice 2 years ago 2
Conservatives opposed the drug bill. It was the Democrats that wanted it. Had they opposed it, it never would have passed. That will be nothing compare to what President Obama is going to do to healthcare.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
No, it wouldn't have passed had Bush not amended it to a simple majority decision & Cheney cast the final deciding vote. Nicely done.
Look, we need good, competent opposition to make the country run well. I'm afraid the GOP will lose so much credibility & becomes such caricatures, that they will become almost obsolete for a long time to come. That's not good for the country. Blatant hypocrisy drives as many voters away as the GOP leadership is doing by itself with it's internal chaos.
ThatguyNice 2 years ago
That's why stepping down after his AWOL, affair & lying is more important to the GOP's wellness than Clinton's resignation was for the Dems. Sanford not resigning does more damage to the GOP (who are already as low as they could be) than it would for the Dems. Particularly, b/c of the GOP values platform & the stink they made about this issue with Clinton. That's the political reality.
Keep him in...suit yourself.. It's your funerals in 2010 & 2012. You just came back from on in '08.
ThatguyNice 2 years ago
I believe Sanford should resign because it is the right thing to do. Regardless the media will lie and spin it against the Republicans.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Not true... The GOP needs to get back to it's conservative base and stop all this moderate crap. McCain's defeat proves that moderates are losers.
A true conservative candidate would beat President Obama soundly. The problem is that one has to overcome both his or her own party as well as the Democrats and liberal media.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
I don't think it would matter because the incidents are NOT comparable.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Has anyone recently asked Sanford if he still thinks that Clinton should have stepped down over his affair, after going AWOL & putting the his state in jeopardy by lying to everyone; while he was having adulterous sex on another continent? Please someone ask him. He was so outspoken on it back then.
ThatguyNice 2 years ago
Give Clinton A Break.. its just great how all the Hyporcitical Republicans who went after Clinton w a vengeence..
What Cums around goes around
SabbathForSodom 2 years ago 2
How can a thinking person equate these two incidents? Clinton took advantage of a young, White House intern. He lied to a FEDERAL JUDGE and GRAND JURY. He conspired to hide evidence and told others to lie to investigators.
What Sanford did was wrong. I believe he should resign his office. I believed that Clinton should have resigned his. However there is no comparison between the two. Clinton was far, far worse.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
He should apologize to his wife, family, and the people of his state............ and at this point should probably step down, however, I agree it does not compare with what Clinton did with a young girl and employee, and then lied about before us all.
ScarlettKnights 2 years ago
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The300ZXGuru 2 years ago
Common
What you people [right-wingers] don't seem to understand is that we on the left don't think Sanford should resign because he had an affair. Or even that he lied about it. We're not comparing what Clinton did to Sanford's actions and saying, "He did the same [or worse] thing Clinton did so he should resign". What we're saying is he set the standard when he said that Clinton should resign for his lying and cheating. Had he not made such a big deal about Clinton's BJ, we wouldn't care.
beeshor1 2 years ago
I do understand. I understand that Democrats could care less about morality or family values or even sexual harassment. If you can rationalize killing millions of unborn children for decades, I am not surprised you could "Clinton's BJ".
What you don't want to face is that Clinton was not impeach for a BJ. He was impeach for lying to a federal judge, grand jury, and suborning perjury. These are serious matters for a sitting president. He was and is a sexual predator. That's the problem.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Common
What does abortion have to do with this argument? You self-righteous imposers want to tell everyone else how to behave while you're not following your own rules. This is called hypocrisy. That's what this is all about. You can't go around calling yourselves pro-life when you condone the killing of innocent people in a war we had no business waging. You can't call gays "deviants" when you get caught in an airport men's room trying to get lucky. You can't say "do as I say, not as I do."
beeshor1 2 years ago
I call it what it is. It is murdering an unborn child for the convenience a woman. There is no hypocrisy. There is no comparing abortion with the casualties in a war. That is just foolish.
Gays are deviants. I practice what I preach. The fact that someone does not, in no way changes what the truth is. You cannot justify murdering unborn children by accusing others of hypocrisy. I hold everyone to the same moral and ethical standard regardless of party or past.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Common
Your opinions on gays are just that, your opinions. The law should not be based on opinion. As far as abortion goes, you and I have had this discussion before so you know where I stand.
beeshor1 2 years ago
Not my opinion. FACT, but don't let things like facts get in the way.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Common
Show me where it is a known FACT that homosexuality is nothing more than deviant behavior. That is your OPINION. That isn't a fact.
beeshor1 2 years ago
There is no evidence that people are born "homosexual", NONE. Objectively speaking, we are all born heterosexual, biologically speaking. Anything else is deviant behavior. For decades, homosexuality was consider deviant and a mental illness. Suddenly, for political reasons, it was redefined. Without a shed of scientific evidence, it is now OK. There is no such a thing as "sexual orientation". There is no biological or genetic difference between homosexuals and heterosexuals. NONE!
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Common
When that war was unjustified in the first place, everyone who died is a tragedy. Yes, this can be compared to abortion because this was an unnecessary war. The right condones that but they have a problem with a woman aborting a child she can't afford to feed or clothe. Then, the right has a problem with providing welfare to the women who can't support these children. How are these women supposed to care for these babies? The right doesn't care. They're own their own.
beeshor1 2 years ago
The war was justified. Saddam was seeking WMDs. Saddam was not complying with the cease-fire agreement. His removal was absolutely necessary.
I have more than a problem with murdering an unborn child for convenience. Don't even try to hand me this "can't afford to feed or clothe" nonsense. She should stay off her back and keep her legs together until she can "afford" to have children. Why shouldn't she suffer the consequences for her own slutty behavior? Why should I have to pay?
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Common
The reasons given for going to war with Saddam included the notion that he HAD WMDs. Now, you guys are saying he was SEEKING WMDs. You're full of crap and anyone with half a brain can see it. As for your slutty behavior remark, these are usually the "young, immature and foolish" women that you speak of. How come Lewinsky gets the royal treatment from you but you refer to these other ones as "sluts"?
beeshor1 2 years ago
No one knew for sure what he had or did not have. That was why we invaded. Better that we removed him BEFORE he got one than wait until he had one to give to terrorists.
Lewinsky is a slut too, but that has nothing to do with murdering a child for being inconveniently conceived. These are not "young, immature, and foolish" women. These are women who are using abortion as cheap birth control. Research the numbers and see how many of these women have multiple abortions.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Common
I have researched it. The majority of women only have one abortion. You can condone the war in Iraq but you have a problem with a poor woman aborting her child. A child who would likely end up on welfare that you would be trying to take away from it. You people are ridiculous.
beeshor1 2 years ago
Better check your research again. Many of them have several abortions.
War is war. Sadly, people die. Millions were dying in Iraq before we invaded. Children were being starved to death.
I have a moral objection to murder. Killing a child cannot be justified with the old line "every child a wanted child". Over 30 million abortions and we still have children in poverty being abused. Devaluing their lives did not help the situation. It just made it worse.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Booyah! You are killing these fools with reason, bee. They don't seem to mind the blatant, over the top hypocrisy.
Clinton lied to get great stress relieving HUMMERS (which may have improved his job performance). Bush lied to keep HUMMERS filled with Gulf oil. Please give me a body count on each lie & see if a lie is a lie in the real world. It's like talking to little kids with these dittoheads.
ThatguyNice 2 years ago
ThatGuy
You are absolutely right. Which lie was more harmful? Clinton's lie about an affair [which anybody who's having one, would tell] or Bush's lie about Saddam having ties to Al-Quaeda and thus going to war in Iraq? Let's tally up the harm done to the nation. It's no contest.
beeshor1 2 years ago
Clinton lied to a FEDERAL JUDGE. That is the difference. Bush never lied about the war. He gave several reasons for our involvement. You are just disappointed that Saddam did not have stockpiles of weapons to use against our military.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Common
Sanford's words about Clinton don't speak to the illegality of Clinton's behavior. His condemnation of Clinton was a moral one. Since he now is guilty of the same things, cheating and lying, he should do what he said Clinton should have done. You can keep bringing up perjury and grand juries all day. That still doesn't change what Sanford said. He was attacking Clinton from a moral standpoint and so all the legality is set aside.
beeshor1 2 years ago
OK, let's talk about the morality of exploiting a young intern. Sanford's affair was wrong. I make no excuses for it. However his affair was with a woman of his own age and not under his authority.
In a corporate setting, what Clinton did would have gotten him FIRED. Sanford's moral failure does not make Clinton's less of a failure. Both should have resigned. But they are not the same situation.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Common
Do you think that Lewinsky was reluctant to get involved with Clinton? Was she of legal age to have a consensual relationship with him? The answer to the first question is no. If you read any of her conversations with the woman who spilled it all [ I forgot her name] you see plainly that she was into the situation of her own free will. As for her age, she was in her 20s. She was definitely of age.
beeshor1 2 years ago
I never said she was not of age, just not his age. Legally, she could engage in the relationship. She was young and foolish and immature. BUT HE WAS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Common
Again, just because she was young it doesn't mean she was "immature and foolish" Just as being older doesn't mean a person isn't "immature and foolish". She said she flirted often with the President. She knew what she was doing. She is in no way an innocent.
beeshor1 2 years ago
I am not excusing her behavior at all. However he was the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. He was an authority over her. He did not slip once but several times.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Common
Clinton's sexual behavior isn't the problem. The problem is you people want to dictate how other people should live their lives and behave. As long as people conduct themselves within the law and don't harm others, why should you care what they do? This whole "family values" policy is nothing more than a bunch of hypocritical BS.
beeshor1 2 years ago
Yes, Clinton's sexual behavior is the PROBLEM. He is and was a sexual predator. That is the reason was sued in the first place. Numerous women came forward to say so. Of course, they were attacked as trailer trash and sluts.
As a liberal you don't respect family values, I get that. However many people believe and live by them. We don't have affairs. We don't sexual harass young women. We abuse the power of being president to molest women. You can excuse that behavior if you want.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Common
I respect my own values. My family is my family and we'll decide what we value. Not you and your conservative ideology.
beeshor1 2 years ago
As is your right...but some values are not isolated to only one's own family.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Common
Your claim that "we don't have affairs" is hogwash. You guys are not morally superior, you just claim to be. Then you get busted, one-by-one, and claim that that's just that guy, the rest of us are clean. Yeah right. You're all a bunch of liars and cheaters and sinners, just like everybody else. The difference is you want everyone else to be pure and innocent while you're nothing of the sort.
beeshor1 2 years ago
Not at all! I know I am not perfect. I never claim to be perfect. However being imperfect is not the same as being completely and wholly immoral. You can excuse President Clinton for what he did if you want. He broke the LAW by lying to a FEDERAL Judge. He obstructed a FEDERAL investigation.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Common
Who is completely and wholly immoral? This isn't about defending immorality. This is about knowing that EVERYONE is capable and likely to make mistakes. Let's not judge others too harshly because then we invite the same on us.
beeshor1 2 years ago
Sure it is. When you draw comparisons between what Clinton did to SEVERAL WOMEN and this case, you are defending immorality.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Common
I'm not defending immorality. I don't care one way or the other about what any man does with a consenting adult. That's my position. If he cheated on his wife, that's between him and his wife, not the rest of us. We elected him President, not our husband.
beeshor1 2 years ago
So sexual harassment is no big deal. Lying to a FEDERAL judge is OK too then. What if the other adult does not consent? Should he be allow to punish her for not putting out? You elected a sexual predator as President and then defend him when he did what he always did.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Common
What he lied about is what I care about. You bring up hypotheticals that have nothing to do with this situatiuon. Lewinsky said she flirted with him. He didn't prey on her. She made it known she was interested. Where in that situation is Clinton a predator?
beeshor1 2 years ago
I see. blame the twenty year old intern. She seduced him and he could not help himself. What about ALL the other women who came forward? He lied in a court of law to protect himself, not his wife or his reputation.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Newt was cheating on his wife at the sametime as Clinton but he did'nt say that at the time and he was the house specker, McCain Cheated on his sick 1st wife with Cindy, Rudy Cheated on his wife and his kids hate him. David Vitter cheated on his wife with a hooker like spitzer! Larry Crieg and Foley both Gay! Palin's Family daughter preggo! Where is the Conservative? Republicans have NONE! So who are the real Conservatives because there not Republicans! So Who? Everyone must be Liberal huh?
phuture101 2 years ago
Being conservative does not make you perfect. Not being perfect does not mean you abandon all morality and values. You can lecture me on values when you stop killing unborn children for convenience. Until then, you have no moral foundation from which to be judgmental.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
"Do not judge lest you be judged, for every measure you use, you will likewise be judged". These are the words of Jesus in the New Testament texts. The moment morality stops being used as a political football, maybe thenw e can have a discussion of real morality.
richardhutnik 2 years ago
I am quite willing to be judged by the same "measure" I judge others. Morality is morality. There is nothing political about it. You kill an unborn child for convenience sake, that is immoral. Nothing changes that reality.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Well, hopefully Sanford doesn't require his mistress get an abortion then, or if he did, that his mistress doesn't have one.
richardhutnik 2 years ago
I did not know she was pregnant. If she were, then it would still be wrong to kill the unborn child. Is this to difficult for you to understand?
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Being Liberal doesn't make you perfect either.
msmp90 2 years ago
Aparently Being a Conservative does not either! So Why does that party act as if they are so good? when they are not! People see how Phony republicans are. Because the real commonsense is that people are human and not an Idea. Republicans show how much there own family value BS is so false. They can not even do it! So please stop thinking your good by just saying it and then turn around and do the total opposite. Stop saying perfect words and doing disgusting things! There Phony man wake up!
phuture101 2 years ago 2
You are looking solely at a few Republicans who have failed. Most of the time, they paid the price at the ballot box. The problem is that infidelity would be a resume' enhancement if they were a Democrat.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
This Repugnantan should never have spewed his crap about family values when he couldn't follow his own lectures. A resume enhancement why? Because of Clinton? He never hypocritically stated that people should not be doing whatever while doing it himself. Yet another Christian hypocrite, adulterer, liar, who believes that, because he goes to church, he is completely forgiven and should be exonerated for his every transgression.
Lynx787 2 years ago 2
Wrong, having high morals is good. Just because someone fails does not make the standards wrong. There is no comparing what he did to Clinton.
It is a resume' enhancement because Democrats have no morality to follow or standards to maintain. They lie on a daily basis without regard. They support the murder of unborn children. They support giving special recognition to people who choose to engage in homosexuality as if they were the same as normal folks.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
For someone named commonsensejoe, I find it ironic you're making broad handed generalizations about democrats. Although not a democrat myself I do find your ignorance amazing.
"Democrats have no morality." First of all, not all democrats support abortion and gay marriage. I know several who do not personally. Opinions on these topics are not the sole determinants for morality anyway.
Please, proofread before you post and make sure you're not lying about anyone. It's a sin after all.
GravityOfLight 2 years ago
Obviously we are ALL generalizing here, and not speaking about specific people. Democrats are the party of "CHOICE" by their own admission. If you support murdering unborn children, you have no morality in my book. It is the sole determinant for me. When you can justify killing an innocent child for convenience, where is your morality? On what is it based?
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
So it's less moral to choose to kill an unborn child to save it from a life of poverty and pain, than to kill MASSES of children between the ages of 2-15 simply because of where they were born? Don't play that "Moral" card when trying to support the Grand Ole Pissants, you're ALWAYS going to be wrong.
modelcitizen5797 2 years ago
First, are you seriously are advocating killing children to save them for a "possible" life of poverty and pain? If it is justified before birth, why not after?
Who is killing masses of children because of where they were born? Sounds like Saddam to me!
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Commonsensejoe
I'm not going to argue your ignorance on the abortion issue.
However, claiming that the slaughtering masses of children that's been happening under Republican rule, is just claiming blindness. The fact is, all you have to do is look at a history book, talk to a soldier who's been on the front lines, or even read a book, and you'll see the truth. The people who support your simple minded beliefs that everything is black and white are murderers. Not the doctors.
modelcitizen5797 2 years ago
What a load of crap! You won't argue abortion because you know you are wrong. Yes, people die in a war. That is unfortunate, but it happens.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Are you serious? The fact is, abortion is not a cut and dry issue. There are cases where it's not immoral(I.E. situations where mother and/or child is definitely going to die.) You can't argue that. Shut it.
Now, about the child deaths in Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, Vietnam, and Every other country we have waged war on for both unjust and just reasons. We have trained our soldiers to just kill, not think.
They shoot CHILDREN, fuck you, that's cut and dry immoral.
modelcitizen5797 2 years ago
There are cases where an abortion is MEDICALLY NECESSARY. That is not what we are talking about. Abortion on demand is nothing more than killing an unborn child for the convenience of the mother. How is that not "cut and dry"? We have murdered over 30 million.
Yes, there are casualties and even atrocities in war. I don't dispute that. Those who do so have and should be prosecuted to full extent of military law. One has nothing to do with the other.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
All Republicans have! And people like you give them a pass when they are not following there family values. You can not have iit both ways. Family Values does not excuse a cheater. So why do you? Because you're Liberal! right? Only Liberals do that so why are you trying to make it seem like Conservative and Liberal are the same. Oh when republicans act Human then it's OK! But when you try to get a vote your people Lie to you and make up this Phony Family Values BS as if they will never Cheat!
phuture101 2 years ago
I guess every one is Liberal. I don't like Liberals im sorry I just don't. They have no values whatsoever.
msmp90 2 years ago
Neither does Conservatives! You can't JUST say it and not live it! thata why everyone is Liberal! In your world as long as they say there conservative it's ok to do a Liberal act? Nobody has any values? Where you going to vote for McCain? He Cheated too! Or maybe was it Rudy? He Cheated too and dresses in drag! So as you see You don't have anybody to vote for because Conservative is ONLY an Idea that is not lived! Reublicans=Phony
phuture101 2 years ago 2
Liberals=MORE PHONY! That's what i don't like about your kind, you ovverreact and worry and become rheemed with guilt. Stop listening to those Liberal phonies and become INDEPENDENT like me. I'm not Conservative, im Independent.
msmp90 2 years ago
Better to have high values and fail than to have NO VALUES at all.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Haha...Clinton stood in front of a camera and said "I did not have sex with that woman." So I wouldnt call him a hypocrite for voting to impeach Clinton, but for the shear fact that he had an affair is enough for him to resign on the grounds of a major character flaw. Vote Ron Paul 2012!!!!
sigmapsicharlie 2 years ago
lol i like this commentator guy. he's funny.
biggerdouchebagjones 2 years ago
Sanford does not have to apologize to Clinton.
First off, Clinton "LIED" to the American People on national television.
Sanford lied to his staff and the South Carolina people about his whereabouts.
Sanford was wrong about what he did.
Why don't Obama tell the truth about his affair with Larry Sinclair and Donald Young.
joegully 2 years ago
joe
You're an idiot. Obama never had an affair with any man. You right-wingers are so desperate to find dirt on Obama, that you'll believe anything negative thing said about him. I live in Chicago so I know that whole story is bullshit. You're the same guy who made that disgusiting video condonig Dr. Tiller's murder. That just about says everything that needs to be said about you. You're an idiot that only cares about the law or the truth when it favors your beliefs.
beeshor1 2 years ago
RepubliCANTS are hip-o-crits, plain and simple !
Dagcatguy 2 years ago
it's all just a matter of time before the photos with the donkeys surface on all of them. I've heard that there are more pedophiles posing as elected officials than in all other profession combined. These are the people YOU keep voting for. Isn't voting like insanity? Repeating an action and expecting a different outcome? Just throwing that out there. Something to think about. That's why things suck. It's government. The cause of ALL PROBLEMS.
RandyWayneFricke 2 years ago
Articles for Impeachment:
1.Dereliction of duty. 5 days with no head of state SC
2.Illegal use of state funds. SC will never get it all back. (International booty calls are expensive)
3.Providing false witness to law enforcement (Criminal offence)
4.He may also have lied to Border Agents about the nature of his trip. (Also a criminal offence)
He should also have to pay back the cost of man-hours use by law enforcement to find a lost Governor for 5 days!
CadenRolland 2 years ago
Gov. Sanford should resign, and both he and Bill Clinton owe the People an apology for moral terpitude while in office...That's what you get when the little head is thinking for the big head...
Charonveritas 2 years ago
Charon
Clinton already apologized to the American people as did Governor Sanford to the people of S.C.. Sanford should resign because of the standard he set by his own words. If he doesn't resign, it doesn't matter. His political career is over. Unless he becomes a Democrat. LOL!
beeshor1 2 years ago
beeshor1, do you remember Clinton's; "It depends on what the definition of is, 'is'"? He never admitted to having sex with Lewinsky, so he couldn't have apologized to the People for his acts.
And yes, Sanford should resign, and it does make a difference. Right is right, and wrong is wrong especially when we vote someone into office.
The days of the political elite, Dem or Rep, running rough-shod over the People is quickly coming to an end...
Charonveritas 2 years ago
Charon
Yes, Clinton did apologize to the American people. After the "is" debacle, he did apologize to the people and his family. As did Sanford.
beeshor1 2 years ago
Kharma's a bitch.
Guernicaman 2 years ago 3
Hypocrites on that level deserve to reap every bit of this shit storm he brought on himself!! Payback is a bitch!
hannibalsreign 2 years ago 2
Why would Sanford refuse so much money that would have helped thousands of people in South Carolina? I really don't get it and probably never would.
kakompo 2 years ago
He refused the money because of all the strings that are attached to the acceptance of said money.
It's a moot point anyway, Sanford should resign because he lied to his family, and to the People he was elected to represent.
Charonveritas 2 years ago
True too. He has to go. He was "throwing" a lot of apologies "out there" during his news conference... I think he should be smart enough to know that his issue won't die off that easy
kakompo 2 years ago
In typical Republican, sexually unattractive fashion, the hypocritical governor of South Carolina had to haul his ass all the way to Argentina to get lucky. Bill Clinton never had to leave his desk. South Carolina has a long history of hypocrisy. Strom Thurmond, who was going to stop all race mixing, didn't mind mixing with a black woman's vagina and making a baby. Cheers!
baddave62 2 years ago
OUCH !! The truth hurts. LOL
kakompo 2 years ago 2
Funny that Essie Mae resembles Thurmond. His & Nancy's children never really resembled him. Hmmmm. By the way, that's how blacks got their "education" back then.
mkl62 2 years ago
I don't care if a politician has an affair & I don't even care if he lies about it....UNLESS HE'S ONE OF THESE ASSHOLES WHO'S BEEN GOING AROUND TALKING OF "FAMILY VALUES" & ACTING ALL SUPERIOR TO OTHERS.
Then I say - - GO EXPOSE THE HYPOCRITE!
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shgfe3ay 2 years ago
History is already laughing at that gang of idiots - the GOP sex police congress. Nothing, and I mean nothing was going to stop those hypocrites!
What a complete and utter waste of time and taxpayer $. Hell, if the "crime" of lying about sex under oath gets you impeached (lol), then what's the just punishment for Bush and Cheney? Crucifixion?
RonPaulGeorgeRingo 2 years ago 2
As a liberal I hope Sanford sticks around and fights for his job. Keep this ridiculous and embarrassing story in the press for weeks or even months. This thing could easily span multiple news cycles
tomiontomion 2 years ago
"I'm going to get stimulated somewhere else."
lol
HisShadow 2 years ago 3
I think EVERYONE SHOULD RESIGN, EVERYBODY, SANFORD, CONYERS, ETC. everybody resign, and we will start over again.
:( bt
btwall60 2 years ago
Damn straight vote out every incumbant.
Start over.
jenisoutofhermind 2 years ago
he had a fit, when clinton did it. he needs to step down
blkcollegeboy2007 2 years ago 2
At a minimum he's need to apologize to Clinton & pay back the state.
DillonX 2 years ago
THE POWER OF A PUSSY
IntelArt 2 years ago 3
We worry about extra-marital affairs in US meanwhile:
Breaking news
Wilson Trezza Brazilian ABINs intelligence director spoke to international press in Moscow about Air France airbus flight 447 which crashed from Rio to Paris on June 1st.
He made a statement regarding a possibility of a bomb explosion.
lets wait & see
IntelArt 2 years ago
Why isn't Cenk on TV yet? I would so start watching TV again.
acuseme 2 years ago 5
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chachieldiablo 2 years ago 3
crankaroo, how do you know it wasn't a man. You have heard of shemales:)
oush55 2 years ago
He is not sorry - only sorry that he got caught. He is still infatuated with that bimbo. Listen to him - he may be going back to Argentina pretty soon.
justonefirefly1 2 years ago
WOW!!! A SECOND Republican had an affair and it *wasn't* with a dude at a truck stop?
cranegaroo 2 years ago 6
The second GOP'er in the past TWO WEEKS. Just to clarify.
chachieldiablo 2 years ago 2
Natural order of things nice have to wait for women to get cheated on by bad guys before they finally get the girl (to clean up the mess and pick up the peices).
ram8704 2 years ago
I wonder if Sanford were to come out to say he was getting a divorce (pre-affair news story), the public would be as forgiving.
jkzupin 2 years ago
women!!!!!!!!! these are the men you will eventually marry
kRAZYCanuck22 2 years ago
LOL I'm never marrying a politician
FireRoseX5 2 years ago
Then beat the odds and marry a fat, hairy, nerdy, loving, and very under appreciated nice guy.
Otherwise.... Ya... your story will probably be the same as... I don't know... I think the over 50 percent divorce rate, the high cheating rates, and everything else kinda speaks for itself :P
(note this is just a joke on a serious subject... I don't know if it's funny, if it is, only because it's pretty much true.)
makaisenki 2 years ago
Hahah ya seriously people who marry for the wrong reasons have so much pain and annoyance to deal with later. I am actually very much in love with an under-appreciated nice guy :) ... but the relationship is too young to talk marriage... and the father of my child was/is fat. ... LOL I know I'm rare LOVE ME!
I totally hear your point I feel bad for women who believe these men... but them part of me says they shouldn't be so dumb... oh well.
FireRoseX5 2 years ago
Sanford leaving the state without telling people where he went means his career should be toast! This guy sucks!
justwannamakeluv 2 years ago 5
eeehhh - flying to Argentina to get pus..y 4 times on the taxpayer's dime (probably at over one thou a trip) is illegal! But I'm sure Mark Sanford doesn't think that doing something illegal is grounds to be impeached.
DillonX 2 years ago