The aster family sure is on hell of a missile. Their results in all kind of interception (low alt, high alt fast, low alt high manoeuvering, etc...) are perfect, 100% success in all the tests. On an unarmend low alt interception, the Aster 15 went so close to it's target that it's elevon cut the targets wings. And on a high alt/high speed interception, at the speed of 2880 Km/h, the Aster 30 exploded at only 4m of the target. Most precise SAM ever made.
@Kharmazov The aster 15 has a range of 30km the aster 30 -120km. Aster 30 block 2 will have a longer range so it will intercept larger ballistic missiles.
February 21, 2008 at 3:26 am (UTC) the USS Lake Erie, a Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruiser, fired a single SM-3 missile, hit and successfully destroyed the satellite, with a closing velocity of about 22,783 mph (36,667 km/h) while the satellite was 247 kilometers (133 nautical miles) above the Pacific Ocean
@stalkingalizee missile VS missiles ? nothing to compare ? just usa are 2 more good than rest of the world at evry thing and make reference (notice than russia is 2more good than french too)
Accuracy is more important than range and Russian missiles are far less accurate. The last missile test for S-300PMU2 took 23 missiles to bring down 10 targets and that included using guns. That is far less than a 50% accuracy. French-Italian Aster systems haven't missed a single target out of 28 tests. The pif-paf interceptor dart of Aster missiles is the most advance capability against cruise missiles and super-sonic skimmers.
the dual thrust and air wings are obivously a great advance if mastered ;
but accuracy is always very subject to caution and hightly classified : i always see video ads of test with perfect weather condition in full day without any could or wind at a medium altitude on slow target in straight forward move (except for ciws at 20m on sea level but at 500m ranges that not a great chalange)
if accuracy is 50% remind the vietnam war score with a hit for 500
French tests are reported with weather details, test conditions, range, altitudes and include video of the tests to their point of impact. Russia says "successful test" with no details and only shows the launch with no intercept. When they make promotional clips of their missiles they use stock footage of French tests against Mirage drones. When they show operational tests they are firing at chaff clouds. What are we going to believe, the ones who show real tests or the ones who only talk?
@stalkingalizee rigorous or not russia is the first world seller for weaponery because they are cheap and good for mecanic and rustic systems ; euro made the more expensives system to buy and to train and to maintain ; never selled them (except belgium)no more in native country than at export(or the worst basic verion )
if europa sell sometime a device that always when exclusiv concept :
euro is inovative eficient only and evry chalenge is a waste
But they aren't world seller, France sold $11 billion last year. They only sold $8.5b. They sold half of that because Thales and Sagem arm their planes and tanks with modern electronics. They cannot even build a modern car without Renault. Once we get Rafale into the open they will not be able to surpass us as #2 supplier. Even civil aviation and naval electronics contracts are going to Thales. Lets not forget sale of Mistral. They do not compare to our technology.
France can sell to whole world except China, NATO does not prefer Russian. Our markets are bigger so they will never compete again with us. We supply the world and Russia. We are world leaders while they are decaying dinosaurs.
@stalkingalizee im now sure that you are french = totally mad !
dont understand the half about your storys of religious and france domination of the world ...
salute your idolatric flag because you got no better to do :
i hate the traitors and antipatriotic denials from evry country and firstly from my corupted land :
ok some device are good on paper as samp-t but none never buy it and national army nomore than 10units in the minimal version(6*more expensiv than usa products)
Thanks to bankrupt Greece we will see our weapons sales increase with a weak Euro so expense is declined. The fall of PIGS will make them irresistible. I salute les couleurs. You salute the hammer and sickle? Sounds like it...
@stalkingalizee i salute the power when i dont own it : french is maybe third in world then france is vasal and must obey to master of world ...or die in pain as irak or or ussr or yougo or germany or ...iran ?
world unity mean only a king or what ever is called the power of the better for now it seem russia will provide some change in europa with increase of trades :( only musilm deal with pigs andi know that french are so)
if greek bankrupt they can sell s300 antiair system to french
France bows to no one, we are not US lap dogs like United Kingdom. There is no one to challenge our power as Europa is at peace. Fearing Russia... ROFL! They can't even build anything new. 90% of their military is scrap. We have more working nuclear missiles than they do. You can't let your missiles rust for 20 years and expect them to work. Do we want 15 year old technology... no.
@stalkingalizee is usa dont have something too ? is the red color the only that scarify you ? did you really think that russia more dangerous than germany ? is france able to repel 150tornado planes??what about ss18 or kirov class ? is french own only one antiradar or ecm device ? or an NBC anti helico system ?
France has 300 Mirage-2000 and 100 Rafale along with E-3C /E-2C AWACs, 150 obsolete Tornados are no worry. Russia has 1 Kirov, Peter the Great which can be sunk by submarine and not even know till it is too late., much less launch Exocets at it. Russia has no naval targeting SATs in orbit, they are blind. Most Sineva SLBMs are rusted to the core, only 3 Deltas have operational missiles. We have 4 SNLE and they all work. If they nuke us we will nuke them just as hard.
We just had more victories over England than England ever had during it's total number of battles.
About Germans, we won in 1918, we lost in 1940, we won in 1945. And since that we're in peace and France and Germany are today Europa's leading countries.
And for the Algerians, we just retired because it had no use to stay there, the public opinion was totally against our presence there, and on the contrary to USA, we sometimes listen to the people of our country.
I don't know, I haven't any information about that, but I'm confident, you seem to know very well gay bars so I will thrust you. It's important to be a leader anywhere anyway. France and Germany, first in your ass.
That said, I was speaking about being leaders, both economically, military and politically speaking, France and Germany are Europe leaders, whatever an ignorant little faggot can say.
You would be laughable if your country wasn't so pathetic. Indeed, the Germans have a little more to them, they took to the Industrial Revolution much faster than the slovenly French.
Your leaders/economy/military are laughed at worldwide, from the Maginot Line to Dien Bein Phu - effete, effeminate and irrelevant. Whats Napoleons legacy compared to that of Britain? Of course, I await your reply in English (being the world language and all).
No in fact I reply in english because I know english and american are far too dumb to be able to speak another language than their stupid gay language which is good because it's esasy to speak. So you don't have much difficulty to learn it.
Still, We now have our big pack of jokes about your leaders, your economy, and your military. And if it took you a century to gather enough things to laugh at, in only 10 years you offered us on a silver plate laughable things for centuries. Thank you.
Russua is #1 when it comes to Heavy S.A,M, systems. U.S. and these people have a loonngg way to go. In Desert Storm Iraq launched over 31 missiles at israel. The Patriot intercepted just one on record. The israelis complained of it'e ineffectiveness. The US responded that Pac-2 wasn't meant to cover whole cities. Pac-3 was used in 2003 and worse than Pac-2, it's first score was A US F/A-18 HORNET!! The Pac-2 was such a failure that israel sold it to CHINA!! So you can't sell me those lies.
The very 1st interception was of the US' F/A-18. It didn't intercept a Silkworm. Saddam was sanctioned so hard he launched the ASM against Kuwait and the missile struck a MALL in Kuwait. Saddam launched about 5 missiles total during the whole war but I forgot the stats. The weapon is an expensive waste of money. Turkey should atleast try the SAMP-T. I don't like either but the Aster-30 does atleast appear better than any of the PACs.
jestem anty USa przez te wojny jakie prowadzili .. CZy warto było dla obalenia saddama )ktory jak sie okazało nie posiadał broni chemicznej) zabic tylu ludzi w tym cywilow w Iraku ? Usa nas oiewa .. Poza tym po cholere tranferowac pieniadze za ocean zakupujac patrioty jak i tak maja dla nas jedynie wizy ? Unia pomaga Polsce i dlatego nalezy kupowac unijne uzbrojenie a nie hamerykanskie ...
Anyone can produce a high speed missile. The video hasn't even given an impression of being highly effective at intercepting BMs, aircraft or stealth. Just launches. Why would anyone want this? And don't even compare this garbage to the likes of S-300s & 400s. This trash may be better than the U.S. Pac-3 but it isn't Russian level. Personally, I feel it may be worse than Pac 3. The video indicates nothing of effectiveness.
lol like tme russian missles wopuld be better and it is good if they use it for ships to take out low flying fast moving anti ship missles yeah and pac-3 is the kind of medium range sams
Did you notice the acceleration (rather similar to S300 or S400), but here with no interruption in the initial thrust to orientate the missile. What US missiles match this (and the Russians ones...)?
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That viedo was crap. Missile launches with no interception shots? They could be duds for all one knows. It looks affordable. If it's so great why do not Egypt purchase them?
3. cruise missiles are easy to destroy, because they fly at slow speeds and low altitudes. They are especially easy to destroy by systems like TOR-M1 and TOR-M2.
Aster-30 is incomparable to S-400 or S-300, because it is an irrelevant system in modern theatre, because of its small range.
It will simply be engaged and eventually destroyed by aircraft firing A2G missiles from >200 km
Plus, as I said, there is no information about this system being able to engage A2G missiles, which TOR can.
As for being engaged by a aircraft, how is that suposed to hapen? I mean finding that target to engage? If you can find it from outside missile range, then it is pretty much par with S-400. There are lots of missiles to outrange both systems.
And as you say: "there is no information about this system being able to engage A2G missiles"
There is information, if you try to find it, if you don't, you stay just as ignorant as your comment. SAMP/T is ABM capable
Well, TOR is something different. Put Mica VL in a tracked mobile system with a search radar then you can compare. And how old is TOR? Not a good thing if has to be the comparison for modern systems.
What you have on mind speaking "guided munition"? Balistic missiles? A2G missiles?
And which systes you want me to compare?
For example i don't think that for example S-300V will be effective against cruise missiles etc. Why? It has fragmentation warhead - as we saw during First Gulf War this type of warheads often only damaged missiles without destroying it.
Nice try, but S-300V is effective against cruise missiles, although it is not made to engage those.
S-300PMU-2 is against cruise missiles, as well as TOR-M2 and Tunguska.
You have a lot of misconceptions.
1. We have seen no use by Iraqis of ANY cruise missile, only ballistic missiles.
2. S-300V is made to engage ballistic missiles. Compare warhead of Patriot and of S-300 and see why S-300 is MUCH more lethal than Patriot vs ballistic missiles.
Americans could not get their system to work, russians did.
Plus, when AA missiles are concerned, more firepower is better.
if you can not create a good enough rocket engine and fuel to launch a big warhead, it is your problem.
Russians demonstrated to chinese (or greeks, do not remember) that their missile (S-300) could intercept SCUD (which was also made in USSR), something americans are yet to do.
IF it does work. Least those BUK missiles we had (have, but not for long), they were suposed to be ABM capable, but that capability was "marginal" at best, just like Patriots. Patriots problem was that Scud came back to earth in one piece, so the missile hit it in engine that was just some dead weight at that point, so warhead was left intact.
So interception isn't enough, it must be able to destroy the warhead, so question is if they made demonstration with live missile?
"Russians demonstrated to chinese (or greeks, do not remember) that their missile (S-300) could intercept SCUD (which was also made in USSR), something americans are yet to do."
The Dutch armed forces shot down SCUDS with PAC missiles in the Gulf War
Yust like the russians are not yet able to build a stealth aircraft...s-300-400 may be able to detect and shoot down F-117 nighthawk but a b-2 spirit I dont think it can......Question??,,,,without answering sarcasticaly or in a ignorant way ,,,,,Why deos'nt Russia have Stelth like the USA...Oh and I mean stealth that is proven to work.......Anyone?
What is good? There are specification and money issues. S300PMU2 and S400 batteries are some of the best out there but are very costly too. Do you need only ATBM capabilities? The best you can buy are only exoatmospheric intercept THAAD (+naval SM-3). Do you need ATBM (to 3500km), anti-missile, anti-air (to 400km), some antistealth capabalities, point defense combined all togheter? Then you should buy rusties S-400 with its panoplias of missiles and mobile radars. ... depends on your needs and $
This what you said about S300 and S400 are just Russian advertisment.
S300 will not be effecitve against balistic missiles because it has fragmentation warhead. Experience of last conflicts prooved that only direct hit can effective destroy incoming missile - that why Patriot PAC-3 and for example Isreali Stunner don't have warhead.
About advertises we can say the same about every military product. ATBM not possibile with a fragment warhead? I have read some discussion on it, for the speed velocity of a 3500km range ballistic missile seems quite feasible. Otherwise it should have not sense the developing of a conventional warhead for the gazelle interceptor, for example.
not againg obsolete(anything less than PAC-2/GEM can be considered obsolete) german surplus crap(leo 2A4's anyone?). we need top of the line air defence. SAMP-T would we a good choice. we also need the system in sufficent numbers...
what 7700 meters in 1 second no i dont think so ligth speed is 300.000.000 m/s, you mean 7000 Km/t i know they have missiles in use that can fly 11000 km/t heat is a problem but they solved it.
Finland migh by this ystem in 2010 when BUK's are scrapped. Then again Partiot is another option too...but it's kinda sure that SAMP-T will the winner.
The Arrow project got underway after the U.S. and Israel agreed to co-fund it on May 6, 1986. So I am 1000%sure that Arrow cant get Stealth jet. Arrow has a speed of more than 3 km/s (S-400 has 4.8km). It cant fly as haigh as S-400s. I read very much about Arrow 2 and I muist say S-400 is without concurrence. And the navigation was based on GLONASS and not on GPS so its the most accurate the world ever made.
BTW, ive heard that kind of Arrow 3 is under development.. i dont know that for sure. but its well known that israel keep improve the arrow in order to destroy missile far away from israel (bigger range) and more kinds of ballistic missiles.
BTW, if we want to compare israeli missile with S300\S400, we should wait and compare the new missile that israel develop to india- based on the Barak 8 missile, just with longer range. it will be kind of missile that will be used against air crafts, cruise missiles, UAVs, and maybe will have a small capability against short range baliistic missiles.
Hhaha Felix what are you talking about. Read something before you write shit like this. 4.8 km/sec is no problem for S-400. And about GLONASS I have nothing to say, GPS is no longer interesting as navigation.
The S400 is nothing against the israeli Arrow. the indian army has a deal with israel to develop a long range SAM, and it will be much better than S400.
The thing is that this technologies are unique, Ivanov said already that this doll must be constructed in the future and not this days. This is like MLRS-Smerch or Kalashnikov nobody have an idea to build something better. And dont forget Russia is building S-500 today whitch will include anti space defence. Just think about it.
the russian are great in rockets, but there are another countries that also have good technologies. the arrow is faster with better radar, and its more proven than any other system.
so yeah, S400 has good systems to detect threats, but also another countries.
about the Kalashnikov, well, to me, a german gun from HK is better.. :P
No questions nigga, I have nothing against Israel or other technologies. But i cant understeand you in which was is green pine better than S-400s radar.
look, the S400\S300 is an amazing system not just because performance, but because it can deal kinds of threats: jets, cruise missiles, and it has some capability against ballistic missiles.
the arrow was developed to protect against ballistic missile (doesnt mean it doesnt have capability against air crafts or something), so it doesnt need that feature.
"No questions nigga, I have nothing against Israel or other technologies. But i cant understeand you in which was is green pine better than S-400s radar. "
Yeah nice . But is it Anti Ballistic Missiles ??? What speed and Range please dudes ???
2012ageoflight 5 months ago
@2012ageoflight
Aster 30 can intercep a TBM at 30 km.
Kharmazov 5 months ago
The SAMP-T made in France/Italy.
MrSlon75 1 year ago 2
@MrSlon75 I made the SAMP-T
nvidiosook 10 months ago
The SAMP-T made in France/Italy.
MrSlon75 1 year ago
The aster family sure is on hell of a missile. Their results in all kind of interception (low alt, high alt fast, low alt high manoeuvering, etc...) are perfect, 100% success in all the tests. On an unarmend low alt interception, the Aster 15 went so close to it's target that it's elevon cut the targets wings. And on a high alt/high speed interception, at the speed of 2880 Km/h, the Aster 30 exploded at only 4m of the target. Most precise SAM ever made.
chenoir 1 year ago
US patriots are great for shooting down allied aircraft.
TuAFFalcon 1 year ago
S-300/400 are the best out there, but this looks like it might be pretty good.
bittemeinrammstein 1 year ago
diference between french and russian tech is range : french aster15 = 15km ;russia s400 = 400km ;
accuracy is clasified obv
omnianti0 2 years ago
Aster 15 i 30 km and Aster 30 is 120 km.
Kharmazov 2 years ago 7
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MrXreXes 1 year ago
@Kharmazov
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Samp/T with the Aster 30 Block 1 can intercept ballistic missiles up to 600km. I wonder if they use this on fighters aswell. That would be cool.
G777GUN 1 year ago
@G777GUN
RCan intercept rockets that have the range of 600 km not at distance of 600 km.The interception range is 30 km.
Kharmazov 1 year ago
@Kharmazov The aster 15 has a range of 30km the aster 30 -120km. Aster 30 block 2 will have a longer range so it will intercept larger ballistic missiles.
glendelio 1 year ago
Aster-15 = 30km, Aster-30 = 120km. Russians don't have the 400km missile yet. The best they have now is less than half of that missile.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee s400 = 250km range
February 21, 2008 at 3:26 am (UTC) the USS Lake Erie, a Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruiser, fired a single SM-3 missile, hit and successfully destroyed the satellite, with a closing velocity of about 22,783 mph (36,667 km/h) while the satellite was 247 kilometers (133 nautical miles) above the Pacific Ocean
omnianti0 1 year ago
What does a US missile test have to do with Russia? duhhh
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee missile VS missiles ? nothing to compare ? just usa are 2 more good than rest of the world at evry thing and make reference (notice than russia is 2more good than french too)
omnianti0 1 year ago
Accuracy is more important than range and Russian missiles are far less accurate. The last missile test for S-300PMU2 took 23 missiles to bring down 10 targets and that included using guns. That is far less than a 50% accuracy. French-Italian Aster systems haven't missed a single target out of 28 tests. The pif-paf interceptor dart of Aster missiles is the most advance capability against cruise missiles and super-sonic skimmers.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee
the dual thrust and air wings are obivously a great advance if mastered ;
but accuracy is always very subject to caution and hightly classified : i always see video ads of test with perfect weather condition in full day without any could or wind at a medium altitude on slow target in straight forward move (except for ciws at 20m on sea level but at 500m ranges that not a great chalange)
if accuracy is 50% remind the vietnam war score with a hit for 500
omnianti0 1 year ago
French tests are reported with weather details, test conditions, range, altitudes and include video of the tests to their point of impact. Russia says "successful test" with no details and only shows the launch with no intercept. When they make promotional clips of their missiles they use stock footage of French tests against Mirage drones. When they show operational tests they are firing at chaff clouds. What are we going to believe, the ones who show real tests or the ones who only talk?
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee im french and know the real value of the french reports :
did you see rain could flare shaff low altitude and evasive moves at high speed sun back at horizon between tree canyon ?
did you know the diference between a stealth target and a emiter target ?
i know that russia buyed euro optronic for helicos than i supose they got a big problem ;
i will trust only about real war report if that never hapend (i wait always for 1916 movies releases)
omnianti0 1 year ago
Whatever the condition of MBDA tests, they are more rigorous than Russian. We do not have to hide like Russia does about their technological failure.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee rigorous or not russia is the first world seller for weaponery because they are cheap and good for mecanic and rustic systems ; euro made the more expensives system to buy and to train and to maintain ; never selled them (except belgium)no more in native country than at export(or the worst basic verion )
if europa sell sometime a device that always when exclusiv concept :
euro is inovative eficient only and evry chalenge is a waste
omnianti0 1 year ago
But they aren't world seller, France sold $11 billion last year. They only sold $8.5b. They sold half of that because Thales and Sagem arm their planes and tanks with modern electronics. They cannot even build a modern car without Renault. Once we get Rafale into the open they will not be able to surpass us as #2 supplier. Even civil aviation and naval electronics contracts are going to Thales. Lets not forget sale of Mistral. They do not compare to our technology.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee best seller isnot the most rich :
best mean trustable by majority of mankind and majority dont will buy high tech :
try to think in term of items selled and clients count then french is the far worst ;
obivously a ratio a 1000VS1(as win vs beer )
omnianti0 1 year ago
France can sell to whole world except China, NATO does not prefer Russian. Our markets are bigger so they will never compete again with us. We supply the world and Russia. We are world leaders while they are decaying dinosaurs.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee darling you live out of reality :
1 look what system the greek(!) army buy for anti air ;
2 watch what is the design of the chna anti air systems ..
3 learn who transport euroastronautes
4 understand what nuke mean
5 visit france and talk with french and then cry(if you are french then i understand why you write it)
omnianti0 1 year ago
Sweetness, you have no clue what you speak of.
1. look at religious affiliation, Orthodox still have ties, NATO don't
2. Watch what design Chinois copies? They copy what they get.
3. learn who makes their telecom sats
4. understand what Bulava is
5. Watch my Armes de France video, they don't compare
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee im now sure that you are french = totally mad !
dont understand the half about your storys of religious and france domination of the world ...
salute your idolatric flag because you got no better to do :
i hate the traitors and antipatriotic denials from evry country and firstly from my corupted land :
ok some device are good on paper as samp-t but none never buy it and national army nomore than 10units in the minimal version(6*more expensiv than usa products)
omnianti0 1 year ago
Thanks to bankrupt Greece we will see our weapons sales increase with a weak Euro so expense is declined. The fall of PIGS will make them irresistible. I salute les couleurs. You salute the hammer and sickle? Sounds like it...
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee i salute the power when i dont own it : french is maybe third in world then france is vasal and must obey to master of world ...or die in pain as irak or or ussr or yougo or germany or ...iran ?
world unity mean only a king or what ever is called the power of the better for now it seem russia will provide some change in europa with increase of trades :( only musilm deal with pigs andi know that french are so)
if greek bankrupt they can sell s300 antiair system to french
omnianti0 1 year ago
France bows to no one, we are not US lap dogs like United Kingdom. There is no one to challenge our power as Europa is at peace. Fearing Russia... ROFL! They can't even build anything new. 90% of their military is scrap. We have more working nuclear missiles than they do. You can't let your missiles rust for 20 years and expect them to work. Do we want 15 year old technology... no.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
I take that back, they do have a fair amount of Topols, still you should get the point. Their standing military is rusted junk.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee is usa dont have something too ? is the red color the only that scarify you ? did you really think that russia more dangerous than germany ? is france able to repel 150tornado planes??what about ss18 or kirov class ? is french own only one antiradar or ecm device ? or an NBC anti helico system ?
omnianti0 1 year ago
France has 300 Mirage-2000 and 100 Rafale along with E-3C /E-2C AWACs, 150 obsolete Tornados are no worry. Russia has 1 Kirov, Peter the Great which can be sunk by submarine and not even know till it is too late., much less launch Exocets at it. Russia has no naval targeting SATs in orbit, they are blind. Most Sineva SLBMs are rusted to the core, only 3 Deltas have operational missiles. We have 4 SNLE and they all work. If they nuke us we will nuke them just as hard.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee your sentence prove who you are : your grand mother short hair fashion1944 your grand father hunted jews red terorist in vichy militia
you win because your are the most strong enrole the lvf for defend berlin great europa reich ;
salute color more often than think because hurt brain to be aware of own lacks ;
never you will understand that a autogun 20mm is cheap not jammable or emp insensitiv because you are a office warrior :
french alat not flyed 6month for money lack
omnianti0 1 year ago
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stalkingalizee 1 year ago
France is the military laughing stock of the world.
smoochym 1 year ago
"France bows to no one"
Apart from the British, Germans, Algerians and everyone you ever fought against.
smoochym 1 year ago
We just had more victories over England than England ever had during it's total number of battles.
About Germans, we won in 1918, we lost in 1940, we won in 1945. And since that we're in peace and France and Germany are today Europa's leading countries.
And for the Algerians, we just retired because it had no use to stay there, the public opinion was totally against our presence there, and on the contrary to USA, we sometimes listen to the people of our country.
chenoir 1 year ago
"And since that we're in peace and France and Germany are today Europa's leading countries."
Yeah, for gay bars.
smoochym 1 year ago
@smoochym
I don't know, I haven't any information about that, but I'm confident, you seem to know very well gay bars so I will thrust you. It's important to be a leader anywhere anyway. France and Germany, first in your ass.
That said, I was speaking about being leaders, both economically, military and politically speaking, France and Germany are Europe leaders, whatever an ignorant little faggot can say.
chenoir 1 year ago
You would be laughable if your country wasn't so pathetic. Indeed, the Germans have a little more to them, they took to the Industrial Revolution much faster than the slovenly French.
Your leaders/economy/military are laughed at worldwide, from the Maginot Line to Dien Bein Phu - effete, effeminate and irrelevant. Whats Napoleons legacy compared to that of Britain? Of course, I await your reply in English (being the world language and all).
smoochym 1 year ago
No in fact I reply in english because I know english and american are far too dumb to be able to speak another language than their stupid gay language which is good because it's esasy to speak. So you don't have much difficulty to learn it.
Still, We now have our big pack of jokes about your leaders, your economy, and your military. And if it took you a century to gather enough things to laugh at, in only 10 years you offered us on a silver plate laughable things for centuries. Thank you.
chenoir 1 year ago
yes the patriot is a failure, success rates are at the Gulf War was 0%. This does not improve it later.
FredAndCoInc 2 years ago
The Russians are WAY AHEAD OF this shit!
MrRachlin 2 years ago
No the aren't;-)
Kharmazov 2 years ago
yeah...mmmh what about a little thing called Thaad and SM3??
batuffolino87 1 year ago
One day I'm going to have one of those.
TheFirearmEnthusiast 2 years ago
damn much better than patriot but i dont think its as good as sm3, thats the problem.
germany should buy some of them in addition to meads, and some landbased sm3.
+one self developped common radar.
but in Bundeswehrplan 2008/9 is an announcement that they want to create a good, statioary air surveillance
95predator 2 years ago
Russua is #1 when it comes to Heavy S.A,M, systems. U.S. and these people have a loonngg way to go. In Desert Storm Iraq launched over 31 missiles at israel. The Patriot intercepted just one on record. The israelis complained of it'e ineffectiveness. The US responded that Pac-2 wasn't meant to cover whole cities. Pac-3 was used in 2003 and worse than Pac-2, it's first score was A US F/A-18 HORNET!! The Pac-2 was such a failure that israel sold it to CHINA!! So you can't sell me those lies.
Molossian 2 years ago
How many confirmed interceptions have there been.
I know of only 2, the UK Sea Dart v Silkworm and the US Patriot v Scud, which you talk of.
All these missiles (intercepted and launched) date back to 1960's - 1970's.
gpfwestie 2 years ago
The very 1st interception was of the US' F/A-18. It didn't intercept a Silkworm. Saddam was sanctioned so hard he launched the ASM against Kuwait and the missile struck a MALL in Kuwait. Saddam launched about 5 missiles total during the whole war but I forgot the stats. The weapon is an expensive waste of money. Turkey should atleast try the SAMP-T. I don't like either but the Aster-30 does atleast appear better than any of the PACs.
Molossian 2 years ago
jestem anty USa przez te wojny jakie prowadzili .. CZy warto było dla obalenia saddama )ktory jak sie okazało nie posiadał broni chemicznej) zabic tylu ludzi w tym cywilow w Iraku ? Usa nas oiewa .. Poza tym po cholere tranferowac pieniadze za ocean zakupujac patrioty jak i tak maja dla nas jedynie wizy ? Unia pomaga Polsce i dlatego nalezy kupowac unijne uzbrojenie a nie hamerykanskie ...
major9 2 years ago
european rockets are better than amercian patriots !!!
Cupak19 2 years ago 13
@Cupak19 The Russian S-300,S-400 Triumph The BEST!!!!!!!
UgoChaves1917 1 year ago 2
@Cupak19 gotta be when you dont have shit for aircraft! :)
BSnyd84 8 months ago
@Cupak19 Oh I'm sure you've conducted scientific studies to determine which one is more effective.
SAsgarters 7 months ago
@Cupak19 but dude "America is a single continent", you mean US misilies patriots?
XmodGT1 5 months ago
Anyone can produce a high speed missile. The video hasn't even given an impression of being highly effective at intercepting BMs, aircraft or stealth. Just launches. Why would anyone want this? And don't even compare this garbage to the likes of S-300s & 400s. This trash may be better than the U.S. Pac-3 but it isn't Russian level. Personally, I feel it may be worse than Pac 3. The video indicates nothing of effectiveness.
Molossian 2 years ago
trash????
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you are crazy!!!!!!
TheBlackdago 2 years ago
People like you who have no idea about military hardwer really make me laught;-)
Kharmazov 2 years ago
lol like tme russian missles wopuld be better and it is good if they use it for ships to take out low flying fast moving anti ship missles yeah and pac-3 is the kind of medium range sams
hbkfitz 2 years ago
Did you notice the acceleration (rather similar to S300 or S400), but here with no interruption in the initial thrust to orientate the missile. What US missiles match this (and the Russians ones...)?
neziere 2 years ago
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That viedo was crap. Missile launches with no interception shots? They could be duds for all one knows. It looks affordable. If it's so great why do not Egypt purchase them?
Molossian 2 years ago
There is an interception shot at 0:30... it was weak demonstration, but there is...
monarchiko 2 years ago
3. cruise missiles are easy to destroy, because they fly at slow speeds and low altitudes. They are especially easy to destroy by systems like TOR-M1 and TOR-M2.
Aster-30 is incomparable to S-400 or S-300, because it is an irrelevant system in modern theatre, because of its small range.
It will simply be engaged and eventually destroyed by aircraft firing A2G missiles from >200 km
Plus, as I said, there is no information about this system being able to engage A2G missiles, which TOR can.
9K58 2 years ago
100 km "small range"? Realy?
As for being engaged by a aircraft, how is that suposed to hapen? I mean finding that target to engage? If you can find it from outside missile range, then it is pretty much par with S-400. There are lots of missiles to outrange both systems.
And as you say: "there is no information about this system being able to engage A2G missiles"
There is information, if you try to find it, if you don't, you stay just as ignorant as your comment. SAMP/T is ABM capable
sjumppanen 2 years ago
yes, really, modern weapons are capable of engaging from within that range, hence this system is outdated by modern standards.
S-400 has 400 km range, and is capable of engaging laser-guided bombs, and AS missiles, something this missiles can not.
There is not many weapons that can outrange S-400, but you are right, there are A LOT that can outrange this system.
9K58 2 years ago
Just check SAMP/T wiki page. There is information about what they have done with these missiles, including shot down missiles.
If you couldn't find that much info, then what do you actualy know? Nothing!
sjumppanen 2 years ago
Thats why Patriot PAc-3 and new versions of Aster-30 missiles hasnt warheads destroying target only by direct strike.
ditzhastati 2 years ago
If you still are unclear about distinction between cruise vs ballistic, get back to me.
9K58 2 years ago
Actualy both have warhead, but when shooting at BMs those are mostly unneccessary. Against non ballistic target those warheads are much more usefull.
sjumppanen 2 years ago
Brazillian ASTROS 3 are better
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haywire153 2 years ago
What is my point? Its that around russian SAMs is a lot of propaganda but Europe and USA can develop its own more weffective systems today.
For example short range systems - VL Mica has much better characteristic than system of the same class - TOR.
ditzhastati 3 years ago
Well, TOR is something different. Put Mica VL in a tracked mobile system with a search radar then you can compare. And how old is TOR? Not a good thing if has to be the comparison for modern systems.
obender71 3 years ago
you might wanna compare it to s-400
akhiehito 2 years ago
really? what types of targets can it intercept??
precision guided munitions? laser guided bombs?
I haven't seen any mentioned of those on the website of the manufacturer.
you might want to rethink your claim about superiority.
9K58 2 years ago
What you have on mind speaking "guided munition"? Balistic missiles? A2G missiles?
And which systes you want me to compare?
For example i don't think that for example S-300V will be effective against cruise missiles etc. Why? It has fragmentation warhead - as we saw during First Gulf War this type of warheads often only damaged missiles without destroying it.
ditzhastati 2 years ago
Nice try, but S-300V is effective against cruise missiles, although it is not made to engage those.
S-300PMU-2 is against cruise missiles, as well as TOR-M2 and Tunguska.
You have a lot of misconceptions.
1. We have seen no use by Iraqis of ANY cruise missile, only ballistic missiles.
2. S-300V is made to engage ballistic missiles. Compare warhead of Patriot and of S-300 and see why S-300 is MUCH more lethal than Patriot vs ballistic missiles.
9K58 2 years ago
2) That warhead doesn't have much to do with actual power if it doesn't explode in right place. Americans noticed this in -91.
Ballistic missile is just too fast for most fuses and fragments won't hit it. Or if they hit they may fail to hit the warhead and detonate it.
Most of the Russian SAMs use enormous warhead to compensate inaccuracy.
9M96E1, E2 and 40N6 are actively homing missiles and have warheads of 24 kilos, about 1/6 of most missiles used in S-300/400 systems.
sjumppanen 2 years ago
Does it matter what warheads russians have?
if it works, it works.
Americans could not get their system to work, russians did.
Plus, when AA missiles are concerned, more firepower is better.
if you can not create a good enough rocket engine and fuel to launch a big warhead, it is your problem.
Russians demonstrated to chinese (or greeks, do not remember) that their missile (S-300) could intercept SCUD (which was also made in USSR), something americans are yet to do.
9K58 2 years ago
IF it does work. Least those BUK missiles we had (have, but not for long), they were suposed to be ABM capable, but that capability was "marginal" at best, just like Patriots. Patriots problem was that Scud came back to earth in one piece, so the missile hit it in engine that was just some dead weight at that point, so warhead was left intact.
So interception isn't enough, it must be able to destroy the warhead, so question is if they made demonstration with live missile?
sjumppanen 2 years ago
"Russians demonstrated to chinese (or greeks, do not remember) that their missile (S-300) could intercept SCUD (which was also made in USSR), something americans are yet to do."
The Dutch armed forces shot down SCUDS with PAC missiles in the Gulf War
draadstaal33 2 years ago
Yust like the russians are not yet able to build a stealth aircraft...s-300-400 may be able to detect and shoot down F-117 nighthawk but a b-2 spirit I dont think it can......Question??,,,,without answering sarcasticaly or in a ignorant way ,,,,,Why deos'nt Russia have Stelth like the USA...Oh and I mean stealth that is proven to work.......Anyone?
gunnemdown357 2 years ago
Russians are designing a stealth aircraft right now, PAK-FA. Looks almost the same as F-35 and Yak-144.
draadstaal33 2 years ago
I think that russian SAMs are overrated - Europe developed some very good weapons - Aster-15/30, VL Mica, Iris-T SL etc.
ditzhastati 3 years ago
What is good? There are specification and money issues. S300PMU2 and S400 batteries are some of the best out there but are very costly too. Do you need only ATBM capabilities? The best you can buy are only exoatmospheric intercept THAAD (+naval SM-3). Do you need ATBM (to 3500km), anti-missile, anti-air (to 400km), some antistealth capabalities, point defense combined all togheter? Then you should buy rusties S-400 with its panoplias of missiles and mobile radars. ... depends on your needs and $
obender71 3 years ago
This what you said about S300 and S400 are just Russian advertisment.
S300 will not be effecitve against balistic missiles because it has fragmentation warhead. Experience of last conflicts prooved that only direct hit can effective destroy incoming missile - that why Patriot PAC-3 and for example Isreali Stunner don't have warhead.
ditzhastati 3 years ago
About advertises we can say the same about every military product. ATBM not possibile with a fragment warhead? I have read some discussion on it, for the speed velocity of a 3500km range ballistic missile seems quite feasible. Otherwise it should have not sense the developing of a conventional warhead for the gazelle interceptor, for example.
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c112x 3 years ago
Finland needs this system because it seems that russians can intersept BUK's missiles and guess who is our enemy number one?
Tupiii89 3 years ago 2
They might buy used Patriots from Germany. But we see in few years...main thing is that BUK-M1 will be removed fast as possible.
MokomaSusi 3 years ago
not againg obsolete(anything less than PAC-2/GEM can be considered obsolete) german surplus crap(leo 2A4's anyone?). we need top of the line air defence. SAMP-T would we a good choice. we also need the system in sufficent numbers...
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fiestaloca 4 years ago
Felix is funny.. there are missiles in use which can achieve even more. some 7.7 km/sec..
Avengadfly 4 years ago
what 7700 meters in 1 second no i dont think so ligth speed is 300.000.000 m/s, you mean 7000 Km/t i know they have missiles in use that can fly 11000 km/t heat is a problem but they solved it.
nolifemerc 4 years ago
No: really 7.7 km/sec ... but out of atmosphere ;) Speeds of ICBMs, Sats, ABM ... are in this range of speed.
obender71 3 years ago
Finland migh by this ystem in 2010 when BUK's are scrapped. Then again Partiot is another option too...but it's kinda sure that SAMP-T will the winner.
MokomaSusi 4 years ago
the green pine radar can detect ANY kind of threat, even if its very very fast, from range of more than 500KM (source say its close to 1000).
in fact, the Green Pine is so strong that people in the israeli industry think to use it against threats, and not just detect them.
loveisrael 4 years ago
The Arrow project got underway after the U.S. and Israel agreed to co-fund it on May 6, 1986. So I am 1000%sure that Arrow cant get Stealth jet. Arrow has a speed of more than 3 km/s (S-400 has 4.8km). It cant fly as haigh as S-400s. I read very much about Arrow 2 and I muist say S-400 is without concurrence. And the navigation was based on GLONASS and not on GPS so its the most accurate the world ever made.
Mig29tvc 4 years ago
the Green Pine radar is very good as ive already said. i dont say it can detect stealth jets, but if russia claim that S400 can, why not the arrow?
but the range of the arrow is bigger.. you cant get fast missile with such long range at same time.
loveisrael 4 years ago
How long is the fire range of Arrow ?
Mig29tvc 4 years ago
BTW, ive heard that kind of Arrow 3 is under development.. i dont know that for sure. but its well known that israel keep improve the arrow in order to destroy missile far away from israel (bigger range) and more kinds of ballistic missiles.
loveisrael 4 years ago
BTW, if we want to compare israeli missile with S300\S400, we should wait and compare the new missile that israel develop to india- based on the Barak 8 missile, just with longer range. it will be kind of missile that will be used against air crafts, cruise missiles, UAVs, and maybe will have a small capability against short range baliistic missiles.
loveisrael 4 years ago
S-400 does not have a speed of 4.8km/s. GLONASS is just a cheap GPS knockoff. Your fanboydom is alive and well. Even the 40N6 can't hit 4.8km/sec
FelixA9 4 years ago
Hhaha Felix what are you talking about. Read something before you write shit like this. 4.8 km/sec is no problem for S-400. And about GLONASS I have nothing to say, GPS is no longer interesting as navigation.
Mig29tvc 4 years ago 3
How about providing some evidence of the 4.8km/sec claim then fanboy? Something more than somebody's vaporware dream.
FelixA9 4 years ago
Dont forget Loveisrael.
S-400 can simultaneously destroy 12 targets flying at 80 km height with speed of 4800/sec (18.000 km/h).
Mig29tvc 4 years ago
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mattmatt115 4 years ago
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engkngorks 4 years ago
viva la france
engkngorks 4 years ago
This is nothing against s-400. (watch?v=xihaegrqiy4).
Mig29tvc 4 years ago
The S400 is nothing against the israeli Arrow. the indian army has a deal with israel to develop a long range SAM, and it will be much better than S400.
loveisrael 4 years ago
Youre crazy, its impossible. Next 25-30 nobody will have something like this.
Mig29tvc 4 years ago
why not? there is already a better radar system, and a faster missile (israeli Green Pine radar and Arrow missile).
but i really like the S300 and S400.
loveisrael 4 years ago
The thing is that this technologies are unique, Ivanov said already that this doll must be constructed in the future and not this days. This is like MLRS-Smerch or Kalashnikov nobody have an idea to build something better. And dont forget Russia is building S-500 today whitch will include anti space defence. Just think about it.
Mig29tvc 4 years ago
the russian are great in rockets, but there are another countries that also have good technologies. the arrow is faster with better radar, and its more proven than any other system.
so yeah, S400 has good systems to detect threats, but also another countries.
about the Kalashnikov, well, to me, a german gun from HK is better.. :P
loveisrael 4 years ago
No questions nigga, I have nothing against Israel or other technologies. But i cant understeand you in which was is green pine better than S-400s radar.
Mig29tvc 4 years ago
look, the S400\S300 is an amazing system not just because performance, but because it can deal kinds of threats: jets, cruise missiles, and it has some capability against ballistic missiles.
the arrow was developed to protect against ballistic missile (doesnt mean it doesnt have capability against air crafts or something), so it doesnt need that feature.
loveisrael 4 years ago
"No questions nigga, I have nothing against Israel or other technologies. But i cant understeand you in which was is green pine better than S-400s radar. "
THAAD's is better than both :-P
FelixA9 4 years ago
Nice joke about german gun from HK. :))
Mig29tvc 4 years ago
ROFL! Impossible? God, what are you twelve?
FelixA9 4 years ago
"Youre crazy, its impossible. Next 25-30 nobody will have something like this. "
ROFL! Impossible? What are you, twelve?
FelixA9 4 years ago
What is your problem ? All what i am writing is true, the second time that you write some shit without arguments. How old are Y O U then?
Mig29tvc 4 years ago
"What is your problem ? All what i am writing is true, the second time that you write some shit without arguments. How old are Y O U then? "
Tell us why it's "impossible". Give us some sources for that 4.8km/sec claim. You know, put up or shut up.
FelixA9 4 years ago
I believe in the SAM HAWK system more than any other because most world powers equip their SAM HAWK ground sites with AAA guns.
fontneau 4 years ago
Sea Hawk does not exist. Sea Sparrow exists.
And all nations know that long-range SAM batteries need some short-range defense.
lastdingo 4 years ago
Surface to Air Missile's rule
fontneau 4 years ago
Nice video thanks.
wazman29 5 years ago
crazy ass footage man...
fmx22 5 years ago