@UncoHoalike HI falls under the Santa Ana OSO - case in point, one of the guys in my platoon was from Hawaii and went through the OSO in Santa Ana. Their number is 949-261-7323/7950/8001. Give them a call and see what's up. Hope that helps, devil.
I always get marine corp as an answer for these which branch are you quiz's but I don't think I am "marine" material need advice, but I really want to make the military my home as an officer
@JM081779 our accomplishments and educations don't keep marines from dying and they don't prove shit. all preconceived biases are filtered, you go in a civilian, and walk out a marine. we are only micromanaged in the 1st four weeks anyways, by the last four weeks, us candidates hold billets and lead the platoon and companies into new evolutions, that's when the true evaluation process starts to unfold. but don't take my word, our track record says enough.
@JM081779 our accomplishments and educations don't keep marines from dying and they don't prove shit. all preconceived biases are filtered, you go in a civilian, and walk out a marine. we are only micromanaged in the 1st four weeks anyways, by the last four weeks, us candidates hold billets and lead the platoon and companies into new evolutions, that's when the true evaluation process starts to unfold. but don't take my word, our track record says enough.
@JM081779 our accomplishments and educations don't keep marines from dying and they don't prove shit. all preconceived biases are filtered, you go in a civilian, and walk out a marine. we are only micromanaged in the 1st four weeks anyways, by the last four weeks, us candidates hold billets and lead the platoon and companies into new evolutions, that's when the true evaluation process starts to unfold. but don't take my word, our track record says enough.
@JM081779 as much as i want to agree with you, i have to go with skandalintegra on this one. believe me when i say that it is a great way to weed out people who aren't committed or are simply retarded. some people that go into OCS should not have anything to do with the military.
honestly i dont beleive any of the above is true. Everything you learn in training is just basic what you need to know. if you think that there are making "clones" then if you allow your self to be a "cloned" soldier then tahts on you. If you make the most o your career and do everything you can to learn and execute in the most effective way (which is all we can do and ask for as humans) then technically your doing your job, rather your an officer or enlisted.
@JM081779 And when did you go through USMC OCS? Seeing as you know so much about it. You think OCS is dumb because we aren't treated well enough? I just graduated from OCC-204 this last Saturday and have to say that I entirely disagree with you. Training should not be pleasant nor should you be treated as a gentleman. Of course the Sgt Instructors will micromanage to an extent, but if you are an effective leader you can avoid it to a degree. They are there to guide you and do a good job at it.
@JM081779 OCS is Officer *Candidate* School. You are NOT an officer here and do not rate such treatment. It is a screening process to see who can put up with the fuck-fuck games and constant BS. They ARE stupid. That's the point. It's extremely frustrating when you can do it but others can't, and its even more frustrating when you can't do it but everyone else can. That's all there is to it. Want it bad enough, prepare accordingly, work for it, don't quit, and you'll get your prize.
im confused i want to be a marine but im not sure wether or not to be enlisted or an officer. can i be inlisted first and when my enlistment is over can i become an officer is that possible. also in college what should i major in and do i have to go to a military school or can i go to a regular college please message me back
If you are wanting to become and officer right out of college with a degree do you have to go through basic like enlisted marines before OCS or do you just go straight to OCS? I need a timeline, im a little confused about this part.
@rollingcripfolifee You can be in NROTC Marine Option, apply to OCC with a bachelor's degree, or apply for PLC as a student with a plan to get a bachelor's degree.
You don't have to go into ROTC. My school didn't even have a Navy ROTC program. I completed OCC PLC-C 201 this summer. Just get in contact with an OSO (Officer Selection Officer) through the USMC Officer website. You become a commissioned officer after you get your degree and graduate OCS.
@streetracer20o2 Those are more than good enough. Keep your GPA up, and keep up with the physical fitness levels... you'll be ok. If you want to be in the Air Force first, though, the Marines may be a bit of a shock to you. They have many more duties (read: they fly less) than their Air Force counterparts.
I'm pretty sure that you're able to swap out ROTC courses if you talk to the detachment/battalion commanders.
I'm seriously thinking about going for this. I'm about to graduate college but I want something in my life that wasn't easy for once that I can look to and be proud of and say "I earned that."
Its a tough thing to accept that Marine Challenge. But if you have the heart, and determination that it takes to enter the Marine Corp world, then by all means go for it, its in your power. Just stay motivated and never even beging to imagine thinking about the world quit. Its not in the Marine Corp vocabulary. Be sure your 110% dedicated to serve.
Its Marine Corps**** not Corp. And just about everyone who has been through OCS has considered quitting at one point or another, it sucks that bad at times, and I don't care how motivated a person thinks they are. The key is to take those thoughts and put them aside and keep your goal in mind. Show me someone who said they didn't consider quitting at OCS, and I'll show you a liar.
well one thing is for sure, you wont get respect both in or out of the Marine Corps as long as you type the way you do. You are either 10 years old, or mentally retarded.
really what dose it matter how i type? maybe i just dont like 2 take the time 2 type every thing out. and FYI im neather retarted or 10 yrs old but pls tell me what i did wrong so i wont up set u agin! becouse it is my mission in life to make u happy(not i could really care less)
ok apperintly i have to spell every thin out. this said i want to be an officer becouse i want to blow shit up from the air. but that is al i want my perants to be proud of me. people ask me why the marines? i tell them becouse i want to be the best at what i do. they also ask me why not jion the navy or air force becouse im female it would be easyer. i tell them i want to earn my respect
THIS IS A JOKE, how many of these OFFICERS Actually LEAD when they get tot he fleet, lets be honest, the entire principal about OCS is flawed because it is incorrect!
Midshipmen do something similar to OCS but it is not nearly as long I think only like 6 or 8 weeks something like that. My plt cmdr this past summer graduated from the academy. They do something similar but they don't make it to good ole brown field.
The minimum GPA is 2.0, so yes, technically you still qualify. I'd have other areas that demonstrate strengths to offset that GPA however. Having a very strong PFT score, involvement in extracurricular activities on or off campus, and good recommendations will all be very helpful.
They dont make Marine officers at OCS, the same way they make Marines at MCRD. At OCS, they train, screen, and evaluate officer candidates for their potential to serve as Marine officers....its not bootcamp.
I've got my degree and am strongly considering applying for Marine OCS. Would someone who has been through Marine OCS reply to this if you don't mind answering a few questions? Thanks much.
Or he could go talk to an Officer Selection Officer in his area and apply for OCS. Do you seriously think random Marine officers at MCB Quantico are gonna address the questions some potential applicant has? I dont think so.
For starters, I'm curious as to what the highest sources of attrition are. I highly doubt anyone that gets in to OCS plans to fail or DOR, so I'd like to minimize my chances of failing. Obviously injury isn't something I can prevent, other than by being in the best shape I can.
So, what are the most common reasons candidates fail the program?
The two factors that account for the highest attrition are NPQ (injury) and DOR (Drop on Request). The rest are board drops, and they can be dropped for anything ranging from academic failiure, to leadership failiure, to physical fitness failiure, and overall failiure to adapt. However, as I pointed out already, the most common reasons people attrite are DOR and NPQ.
what are some of the ways people get sent home for failure to lead? isnt the whole point of NROTC to teach you how to lead Marines before you get to OCS
Yes, NROTC does prepare its candidates from that porgram for OCS. However, not every candidate comes from an NROTC program, thye make up a small percentage of the candidates at OCS. Most of the cands. are regular college kids who went to OCS through an OSO. Secondly, You are not taught how to lead Marines, you can be given some tips and pointers, but this is not taught at OCS or before that, it is evaluated. Some have it, some dont.
and if you dont have that potential to lead Marines at all, you wont be on an NROTC Marine Option scholarship in the first place. The main point I'm making is, some people just dont have the potential to lead Marines, its not there. Some get sent home because they didnt have what it took AT THE TIME but they do have the potential; and those people are invited back, and many of them are 2ndLts now. Others just dont have it period, and get sent home and told not to reapply.
haha my plt had a 38% cut, with zero DOR's, sink or swim, thats gotta go through your head with every decision you make (along with 10,000 other things!)
thats usually not the norm though, DOR's make up a large number of those who go home second only to NPQs. You just lucked out with a great platoon I guess.
Heh, I'm an aerospace engineer, I don't think the academics and certainly not integrity will be my source of failure. My biggest worry is the physical aspect, as I'm 28 and my knees aren't great. I suppose all I can do is try, but there's no damn way I'm going to DOR.
You would be surprised what some sleep deprivation, and physical/mental stress does to people. Some of the best candidates failed the first few exams, due to the fact that we were still in the "adjusting period" early on. As far as the PT goes, that is the one thing you are completely in control of and the better shape you are in, the less susceptible you will be to injury. I had a knee injury prior to shipping, and it didnt affect me at all down there, adrenaline will push you through.
I'm going to prepare myself physically and mentally as best I can, and approach with as confident and humble an attitude that I can. I'm just thankful I'm going to have the opportunity; I know I'd regret it later if I didn't try now.
Thank you for you words of encouragement and advice!
Concerning DOR's, it crosses everyones mind at somepoint, I don't care how motivated that person is. Some of the most "hard-charging" candidates were lined up outside the Company 1stSgt's office in week 4 ready to go home. They didnt realize it wasnt for them, until they experienced it. However, pride trumps all feelings in most officer candidates, and as long as you stay optimistic, those feelings of DOR will go away, I basically told myself each day there was a day closer to graduation.
Heh, I don't think it'd be prudent to ask officers at Quantico, which is a few states away, what I can expect. So I figured I'd take advantage of the internet, where there are lots of people with lots of knowledge.
I have a friend who's taking OCS right now. He's doing the split plan. 2 x 6-7 weeks at ocs during the summer. Hes about to finish it up. If you have any questions I can ask him if you want.
Through the Naval Academy you can commission in the USMC instead of the USN. You can still be a NA though the USMC. But remember every Marine Officer is a rifle platoon commander by trade.
Why would you transfer tot he Marine Corps? Go through Marine OCS, TBS, than flight school, all while being a Marine. Lat transfers are far and few between, and they dont happen very often on the officer side where someone comes INTO the Marine Corps. They will most likely send you through OCS anyway and you will basically start over at the 0-1 paygrade. You want to be a Marine officer and naval aviator, talk to a Marine Officer Selection Officer, and start looking into Marine OCS.
Your chances of succeeding in becoming an Officer are about 25 percent and going on to become a pilot about 10 percent and even less of ever flying a Harrier. You'd be wise to consider a back up plan.
Oh Lord, not this trash again....where did you get these bogus stats from? OCS generally has an attrition rate (People not making it) of 30-40%. That means that anywhere from 70%-60% successfully complete OCS....so 25%, yeah right, thats BS. Next, the Marine Corps guarantees flight contracts for those who qualify, and in the words a Marine pilot, "they can teach a monkey to fly and flight school". So, 10%, once again BS. Dont go posting bad gouge dude.
i cant believe mancini sent me home on the week 5 boards...i had an injury that i couldve continued training through and he sent me home....thats some bs
Why would you talk to the Col if you were an NPQ? If you talked to the Col and were dissenrolled at the 5 week boards, you are most likely a failiure drop, not an NPQ. Stop being bitter, it aint BS, they sent you home for a reason. Kick it into high gear and go back more prepared if you really want to do this...Dont sit around blaming the system.
so if i went through nrotc and then ocs and TBS, would i have a different...experience than if i just did bootcamp? i know for those going through bootcamp, graduation is when they become marines, but when does it happen if i was to go through the nrotc route? i mean, i want the same experience as every marine, but the nrotc route would be nice for college
if you're going the nrotc route, which is smart, then you go to OCS the summer after junior year then after senior year you graduate and commission and I believe that is when you actually become a Marine because you commission as an officer, but I'm not positive. Then you go to TBS and your officer MOS school. If you can pass OCS then you can pass boot camp, so don't worry about missing boot if you go nrotc.
yea thats right...im not doin nrotc just the two six weeks and we wont be considered a marine until we accept our commission when we graduate. but once you get the SRs done then you can kinda consider yourself one cuz all you gotta do after that is get your degree
It could mean both. Since both PLC Jrs and Srs run two classes each summer. The class in the first half of the summer is 1st Inc, the class in the 2nd half of the summer is 2ndinc; whether you are a first timer or returning to OCS. However, I've als heard it refferred to the way you put it.
oh how cute it must be nice to have all this nice shit...officers are the ones who get people killed bc they havent been put threw any stress make sure they get hot chow in the field and cami netting I would hate for the officers to get hot....poor things
that is the officer that I promise to never become, I know what it's like to dig and get stuck sitting on bs post and other horrors. Don't down them so much, they earned their commission, you can get the same if you do what they have done.
In order to comission as a Marine officer, you need to have a 4 year bachelors degree. So if you want to be a Marine officer, start brushing up on your math skills. Math classes should be the least of your worries. OCS was harder than anything I have ever done in college. Your concernng yourself with the wrong things.
my cousin sweettpea is doing this and well he should realize i support him....i was enlisted navy, now im out going to school paid for by navy then upon my deree im going to navy ocs but i respect the marines there part of my dept and i salute them.....god bless them
by the way which is hard marine oocs or marine bootcamp for enlisted???
Bootcamp and OCS are not comparable. They are apples and oranges, and do not serve the same function. Bootcamp strips down civilians and builds them back up as Marines, OCS trains, screens, and evaluates for potential to serve as a Marine officer.
I am not a sir yet, but the priors I spoke with all agree that OCS is more physically demanding than bootcamp. But in bootcamp the D.I.'s play more mental games (fuck fuck games) than they do at OCS. So its give and take.
I dont know about Navy OCS, but at Marine OCS, there is no such things as putting candidates in holding companies. If a candidate demonstrates reapeatedly marginal or unsat preformance, they are eventually boarded and disenrolled from OCS. If you fail at something, your staff will council you and tell you what you need to fix. Make the same mistakes again, or make too many mistakes, and you face disenrollment.
What you are thinking about is TBS (The Basic School) which is where all newly commissioned Marine 2ndLts go to learn how to become Rifle Platoon Commanders. They will place new 2ndLts checking in in Mike Company until they pick up with an actual training company. If you are injured during the POI, you can be recycled to M Co as well until you heal up pick up again with a training company. TBS is backed up right now and they have alot of Lts to train, so some have to wait.
Yes, this means he is doing the PLC program. He will be OCS complete, which means he already proved he possesses the neccessary qualities to be a Marine officer, but he cannot commission until he has completed his Bachelors degree. Once he graduates, he commissions as a 2ndLt and proceeds to TBS.
wow your smart. Sure you dont want to be a naval officer? lol well marine officers are good but im sure once you make captain its hard to advance to major, or higher...
I'm not neccessarily smart, I am just knowledgeable on the Marine officer program since I am part of it. As far as being a Naval officer goes, I'd rather stick with the greenside, but without the Navy the Marine Corps wouldn't be nearly as effective as Americas 911 force. In the case of promotions, yes it is tougher to make major and higher, since at that point promotion is based primarily on merit. 1stLt and Capt are gauranteed barring any major career issues.
Im still a ways off from MOS selection. I attended OCS this past summer on a ground contract, I was interested in going 0602 (Comm) 0802 (Artillery) or 1802 (Tanks) initally. But now I'm looking to switch to an air contract and hopefully become a Marine helo pilot somewhere down the line. But bottom line, becoming a Marine officer is priorty for me, where ever the Marine Corps chooses to put me is fine by me.
I wish you the best of luck in the in becoming an officer in the Marine Corps. I am going into the USN to become a Navy SEAL. Maybe someday we will see each other. After reading your comments I think you will make a good officer one day - hopefully we will serve together one day which is possible because the USN and USMC work very closely together.
I am currently a first year in college and looking into military possibilities after I graduate. The two standing out right now are the Marines and the Air Force, primarily because I would be aiming to become a fixed-wing pilot. Does anyone have any knowledge in regards to how difficult it is to get commissioned to become a pilot after completing college and doing PLC?
The most competitive way to get a pilots slot is through the Air Force. It is easier if you go through the NROTC Marine option. Not too sure about PLC but you should check with your local unit to see how many pilots they commission every year.
echoing what another poster said, Marines pilots are Marines first and pilots second. Most of the Marine Corps aviation is helos anyway with a small percentage in jets, hercs, MV 22's,etc. If you want to fly only and that is your priority, go Air Force. As a Marines you WILL become a basically qualified Rifle Platoon Commander long before even getting close to an aircraft.
no, i am a sophmore in highschool, but i hope to either get into USNA or after going to college, i will go to OCS. My dad was anofficer so i am just regurgitating everything he has told me. all i said is what he said.
Here is the best info anyone could give you JOMAUL; go talk to an OSO, he/she will answer all your questions. An OSO is an officer recruiter BTW. Go get on that ASAP if you really want to be a Marine officer.
wanna know how PT works, here is the basic idea, kick the shit outta them. thats all it is. kinda funny how all these ppl have bullshit that we torture ppl. water boarding and tigh spaces arent torture- they are mind games. they kick the absolute living shit outta of here, believe me, we go through more "torture" than those ppl stuck in CIA custody.
that and you will learn to be a leader. also, all i also should say is you better know how to run like the wind. and when i mean run i mean run mutha fucker run.
Ahhhhh! So excited to be DONE.
skandalintegra 3 months ago
Can someone tell me some ways I can demonstrate leadership?
jess1up 5 months ago
I want join to them! ORAHH!!!!!!!
moldavchuk 5 months ago
@moldavchuk Find an OSO and don't quit!
skandalintegra 5 months ago
Well, Where I'm from there isn't an OSO around. You think I can talk to the recruiter about NROTC and OCS?
UncoHoalike 8 months ago
@UncoHoalike HI falls under the Santa Ana OSO - case in point, one of the guys in my platoon was from Hawaii and went through the OSO in Santa Ana. Their number is 949-261-7323/7950/8001. Give them a call and see what's up. Hope that helps, devil.
skandalintegra 5 months ago
@JM081779 When did you go through OCS?
BrownLabRanch 8 months ago
I always get marine corp as an answer for these which branch are you quiz's but I don't think I am "marine" material need advice, but I really want to make the military my home as an officer
TheOnlGreatAlexander 1 year ago
@TheOnlGreatAlexander What kind of questions do you have? You ought to contact an Officer Selection Officer.
skandalintegra 8 months ago
@TheOnlGreatAlexander If you don't think you can do it. You won't do it.
BSPbRaMZi 8 months ago
@JM081779 our accomplishments and educations don't keep marines from dying and they don't prove shit. all preconceived biases are filtered, you go in a civilian, and walk out a marine. we are only micromanaged in the 1st four weeks anyways, by the last four weeks, us candidates hold billets and lead the platoon and companies into new evolutions, that's when the true evaluation process starts to unfold. but don't take my word, our track record says enough.
jdbdiablo 1 year ago
@JM081779 our accomplishments and educations don't keep marines from dying and they don't prove shit. all preconceived biases are filtered, you go in a civilian, and walk out a marine. we are only micromanaged in the 1st four weeks anyways, by the last four weeks, us candidates hold billets and lead the platoon and companies into new evolutions, that's when the true evaluation process starts to unfold. but don't take my word, our track record says enough.
jdbdiablo 1 year ago
@JM081779 our accomplishments and educations don't keep marines from dying and they don't prove shit. all preconceived biases are filtered, you go in a civilian, and walk out a marine. we are only micromanaged in the 1st four weeks anyways, by the last four weeks, us candidates hold billets and lead the platoon and companies into new evolutions, that's when the true evaluation process starts to unfold. but don't take my word, our track record says enough.
jdbdiablo 1 year ago
@JM081779 Just cause you have a degree does NOT mean your are a leader.
IIB20VTEC 1 year ago
@JM081779 as much as i want to agree with you, i have to go with skandalintegra on this one. believe me when i say that it is a great way to weed out people who aren't committed or are simply retarded. some people that go into OCS should not have anything to do with the military.
stayfit999 1 year ago
honestly i dont beleive any of the above is true. Everything you learn in training is just basic what you need to know. if you think that there are making "clones" then if you allow your self to be a "cloned" soldier then tahts on you. If you make the most o your career and do everything you can to learn and execute in the most effective way (which is all we can do and ask for as humans) then technically your doing your job, rather your an officer or enlisted.
bloodymerc34 1 year ago
@JM081779 You know what else doesn't treat you like a gentleman? War.
Jezsc 1 year ago
@JM081779 Wow dude, good job, quoting the wrong person. I think that was for vwguyaz87, I was done talking to you a while ago.
skandalintegra 1 year ago
@JM081779 And when did you go through USMC OCS? Seeing as you know so much about it. You think OCS is dumb because we aren't treated well enough? I just graduated from OCC-204 this last Saturday and have to say that I entirely disagree with you. Training should not be pleasant nor should you be treated as a gentleman. Of course the Sgt Instructors will micromanage to an extent, but if you are an effective leader you can avoid it to a degree. They are there to guide you and do a good job at it.
vwguyaz87 1 year ago
@JM081779 Well, if that's how you feel, then that's fine with me.
skandalintegra 1 year ago
@JM081779 OCS is Officer *Candidate* School. You are NOT an officer here and do not rate such treatment. It is a screening process to see who can put up with the fuck-fuck games and constant BS. They ARE stupid. That's the point. It's extremely frustrating when you can do it but others can't, and its even more frustrating when you can't do it but everyone else can. That's all there is to it. Want it bad enough, prepare accordingly, work for it, don't quit, and you'll get your prize.
skandalintegra 1 year ago
this is my future
maravilla1992 1 year ago
im confused i want to be a marine but im not sure wether or not to be enlisted or an officer. can i be inlisted first and when my enlistment is over can i become an officer is that possible. also in college what should i major in and do i have to go to a military school or can i go to a regular college please message me back
21FuturexJarhead21 1 year ago
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streetracer20o2 1 year ago
if i want to do this what college is best and what courses are best?
PMAN46 1 year ago
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streetracer20o2 1 year ago
@PMAN46 college doesn't matter as long as you get your bach degree but really there's more to it than a bach degree trust me i know!
chivas4ev3r 1 year ago
Göbels couldn't made it better.
Madgod74 1 year ago
If you are wanting to become and officer right out of college with a degree do you have to go through basic like enlisted marines before OCS or do you just go straight to OCS? I need a timeline, im a little confused about this part.
12jfowler 1 year ago
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streetracer20o2 1 year ago
25 days til first increment 2010, can't wait to start this journey.
skandalintegra 1 year ago
hey i was wondering do you have to be in nrotc to become a officer or is it all you need is a bachalors degree to be a officer?
rollingcripfolifee 1 year ago
@rollingcripfolifee You can be in NROTC Marine Option, apply to OCC with a bachelor's degree, or apply for PLC as a student with a plan to get a bachelor's degree.
skandalintegra 1 year ago
@skandalintegra thanks a ton dude
rollingcripfolifee 1 year ago
@777LucKee777 alright thanks man
airman355 1 year ago
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streetracer20o2 2 years ago
can you join marine corps rotc and come out a commissioned officer?
angeltwilighterlover 2 years ago
navy JROTC, and no, you still need to go to OCS
bitch6661234 1 year ago
yessss sir
airman355 1 year ago
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Halo3BossHog 1 year ago
whats the process in order? Starting w/ first signing up for ROTC at college? when do i go to OCS? when do i become a Marine officer? Thanks.
airman355 2 years ago
You don't have to go into ROTC. My school didn't even have a Navy ROTC program. I completed OCC PLC-C 201 this summer. Just get in contact with an OSO (Officer Selection Officer) through the USMC Officer website. You become a commissioned officer after you get your degree and graduate OCS.
benprice88 2 years ago
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streetracer20o2 2 years ago
@streetracer20o2 Those are more than good enough. Keep your GPA up, and keep up with the physical fitness levels... you'll be ok. If you want to be in the Air Force first, though, the Marines may be a bit of a shock to you. They have many more duties (read: they fly less) than their Air Force counterparts.
I'm pretty sure that you're able to swap out ROTC courses if you talk to the detachment/battalion commanders.
skandalintegra 2 years ago
I have a interview this coming friday and im nervous...what are they going to ask me?? anyone??? thanks
lydiae1404 2 years ago
@lydiae1404 They'll want to know why you want to be a Marine Officer. They'll try to see how big your desire to earn a commission is.
jollygreenspartan 2 years ago
just get good grades-dont be nervous-just be yourself-dont forget-oso officers want you in-be in great shape-believe me.Good Luck-youll need it.
duanekuiper 2 years ago
I'm seriously thinking about going for this. I'm about to graduate college but I want something in my life that wasn't easy for once that I can look to and be proud of and say "I earned that."
irgifted 2 years ago
Its a tough thing to accept that Marine Challenge. But if you have the heart, and determination that it takes to enter the Marine Corp world, then by all means go for it, its in your power. Just stay motivated and never even beging to imagine thinking about the world quit. Its not in the Marine Corp vocabulary. Be sure your 110% dedicated to serve.
vegavatocouch 2 years ago
Its Marine Corps**** not Corp. And just about everyone who has been through OCS has considered quitting at one point or another, it sucks that bad at times, and I don't care how motivated a person thinks they are. The key is to take those thoughts and put them aside and keep your goal in mind. Show me someone who said they didn't consider quitting at OCS, and I'll show you a liar.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
Excuse me for my improper use, You are definatley right. Only the strongest will survive right.
vegavatocouch 2 years ago
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benprice88 2 years ago
this is what I want to do wene I finish college
MichaelDoakTV 2 years ago
OFFICER OR ENLISTED? wHICH ONE.
airman355 2 years ago
well do you want to be respected or do you want to be treated like scum?
thisisst00pid 2 years ago
Anyone know the name of the song they use at the beginning and end,the one with the drums? Thanks
60e02 2 years ago
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MsBlondebomeshell 2 years ago
well one thing is for sure, you wont get respect both in or out of the Marine Corps as long as you type the way you do. You are either 10 years old, or mentally retarded.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
really what dose it matter how i type? maybe i just dont like 2 take the time 2 type every thing out. and FYI im neather retarted or 10 yrs old but pls tell me what i did wrong so i wont up set u agin! becouse it is my mission in life to make u happy(not i could really care less)
LEAGLY1 2 years ago
I would respond to you, but I can't read Hebrew. Retype that in English please.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
"Msblonde" Please learn the English language before you attempt to graduate college much less graduate college. Thank you.
phidelt08 2 years ago
ok apperintly i have to spell every thin out. this said i want to be an officer becouse i want to blow shit up from the air. but that is al i want my perants to be proud of me. people ask me why the marines? i tell them becouse i want to be the best at what i do. they also ask me why not jion the navy or air force becouse im female it would be easyer. i tell them i want to earn my respect
MsBlondebomeshell 2 years ago
Brandy you're a moron
7op6un 2 years ago
THIS IS A JOKE, how many of these OFFICERS Actually LEAD when they get tot he fleet, lets be honest, the entire principal about OCS is flawed because it is incorrect!
BrandyKluxKlan 2 years ago
Brandy... just stop posting. Go play Halo or something; this is a topic you'll never understand.
jdblackbelt 2 years ago
I think i understand it just fine
BrandyKluxKlan 2 years ago
What exactly is the Bulldog course? And does anyone know if Naval Academy midshipmen go to OCS or do they just commission after finishing school?
asianwannabeamerican 2 years ago
Midshipmen do something similar to OCS but it is not nearly as long I think only like 6 or 8 weeks something like that. My plt cmdr this past summer graduated from the academy. They do something similar but they don't make it to good ole brown field.
Stallion518 2 years ago
The program that USNA Midn's go through is called Leatherneck and I'm pretty sure it's held at TBS.
skandalintegra 2 years ago
after I finish college,I will go to the marine officer school.
cubanisimo123 2 years ago
You could just apply for PLC while you're in college.
skandalintegra 2 years ago
how hard is it to get in. I'm in college, a division one athlete, but my gpa sucks around a 2.3. Could I get in? I go to a good school.
fightme10s 2 years ago
The minimum GPA is 2.0, so yes, technically you still qualify. I'd have other areas that demonstrate strengths to offset that GPA however. Having a very strong PFT score, involvement in extracurricular activities on or off campus, and good recommendations will all be very helpful.
jdblackbelt 2 years ago
Wow, in their "boot camp", they can call the Marines by their rank? Interesting.
Zomb131 2 years ago
they arent in boot camp, theyre in ocs. boot camp is before ocs
usmc343 2 years ago
ocs is boot on steroids dog..
Zack44d 2 years ago
They dont make Marine officers at OCS, the same way they make Marines at MCRD. At OCS, they train, screen, and evaluate officer candidates for their potential to serve as Marine officers....its not bootcamp.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
the wind in afganastan doesn't blow it sucks
codeman127 2 years ago
I've got my degree and am strongly considering applying for Marine OCS. Would someone who has been through Marine OCS reply to this if you don't mind answering a few questions? Thanks much.
jdblackbelt 2 years ago
what do you need to know?
scooniepenn 2 years ago
why no go talk to a marine officer ? the best place you can find all the marine corps officer is at the Virgina , Quantico.
Vietboy1st 2 years ago
Or he could go talk to an Officer Selection Officer in his area and apply for OCS. Do you seriously think random Marine officers at MCB Quantico are gonna address the questions some potential applicant has? I dont think so.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
For starters, I'm curious as to what the highest sources of attrition are. I highly doubt anyone that gets in to OCS plans to fail or DOR, so I'd like to minimize my chances of failing. Obviously injury isn't something I can prevent, other than by being in the best shape I can.
So, what are the most common reasons candidates fail the program?
jdblackbelt 2 years ago
The two factors that account for the highest attrition are NPQ (injury) and DOR (Drop on Request). The rest are board drops, and they can be dropped for anything ranging from academic failiure, to leadership failiure, to physical fitness failiure, and overall failiure to adapt. However, as I pointed out already, the most common reasons people attrite are DOR and NPQ.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
what are some of the ways people get sent home for failure to lead? isnt the whole point of NROTC to teach you how to lead Marines before you get to OCS
Fuzionrider 2 years ago
Yes, NROTC does prepare its candidates from that porgram for OCS. However, not every candidate comes from an NROTC program, thye make up a small percentage of the candidates at OCS. Most of the cands. are regular college kids who went to OCS through an OSO. Secondly, You are not taught how to lead Marines, you can be given some tips and pointers, but this is not taught at OCS or before that, it is evaluated. Some have it, some dont.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
and if you dont have that potential to lead Marines at all, you wont be on an NROTC Marine Option scholarship in the first place. The main point I'm making is, some people just dont have the potential to lead Marines, its not there. Some get sent home because they didnt have what it took AT THE TIME but they do have the potential; and those people are invited back, and many of them are 2ndLts now. Others just dont have it period, and get sent home and told not to reapply.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
haha my plt had a 38% cut, with zero DOR's, sink or swim, thats gotta go through your head with every decision you make (along with 10,000 other things!)
ReverseEngineered 2 years ago
Zero DORs? How is that possible?
scooniepenn 2 years ago
friggin tight group thats what we became, no quitters, except for the for-mentioned above, but his fate was sealed anyway.
ReverseEngineered 2 years ago
thats usually not the norm though, DOR's make up a large number of those who go home second only to NPQs. You just lucked out with a great platoon I guess.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
true
ReverseEngineered 2 years ago
what company/platoon were you in?
scooniepenn 2 years ago
a2, i suppose you could say we had one dor, but it was board week and he was going before the colonel anyway, so we never really counted it.
ReverseEngineered 2 years ago
Oh, and the quickest ticket home is integrity violations.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
Heh, I'm an aerospace engineer, I don't think the academics and certainly not integrity will be my source of failure. My biggest worry is the physical aspect, as I'm 28 and my knees aren't great. I suppose all I can do is try, but there's no damn way I'm going to DOR.
jdblackbelt 2 years ago
You would be surprised what some sleep deprivation, and physical/mental stress does to people. Some of the best candidates failed the first few exams, due to the fact that we were still in the "adjusting period" early on. As far as the PT goes, that is the one thing you are completely in control of and the better shape you are in, the less susceptible you will be to injury. I had a knee injury prior to shipping, and it didnt affect me at all down there, adrenaline will push you through.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
I'm going to prepare myself physically and mentally as best I can, and approach with as confident and humble an attitude that I can. I'm just thankful I'm going to have the opportunity; I know I'd regret it later if I didn't try now.
Thank you for you words of encouragement and advice!
Semper Fidelis
jdblackbelt 2 years ago
No problem, good luck and Semper Fi.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
Concerning DOR's, it crosses everyones mind at somepoint, I don't care how motivated that person is. Some of the most "hard-charging" candidates were lined up outside the Company 1stSgt's office in week 4 ready to go home. They didnt realize it wasnt for them, until they experienced it. However, pride trumps all feelings in most officer candidates, and as long as you stay optimistic, those feelings of DOR will go away, I basically told myself each day there was a day closer to graduation.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
Heh, I don't think it'd be prudent to ask officers at Quantico, which is a few states away, what I can expect. So I figured I'd take advantage of the internet, where there are lots of people with lots of knowledge.
jdblackbelt 2 years ago
Hey Bud,
I have a friend who's taking OCS right now. He's doing the split plan. 2 x 6-7 weeks at ocs during the summer. Hes about to finish it up. If you have any questions I can ask him if you want.
Pokekevin 2 years ago
LilATL94,
Through the Naval Academy you can commission in the USMC instead of the USN. You can still be a NA though the USMC. But remember every Marine Officer is a rifle platoon commander by trade.
jonisawesome0 2 years ago
fucking beautiful, im entering OCS after graduating from university
Luishazong 2 years ago
now you are not an officer . So i can say fuck you to you. LOL
Vietboy1st 2 years ago
Oorah!
TheUSMCkilledAllah 2 years ago
I know. annapolis naval academy first. But.....yeah
LilATL94 2 years ago
Well I'm going to be a naval aviator and yes become an officer. But it is possible to transfer to USMC and still be an officer?
LilATL94 2 years ago
Why would you transfer tot he Marine Corps? Go through Marine OCS, TBS, than flight school, all while being a Marine. Lat transfers are far and few between, and they dont happen very often on the officer side where someone comes INTO the Marine Corps. They will most likely send you through OCS anyway and you will basically start over at the 0-1 paygrade. You want to be a Marine officer and naval aviator, talk to a Marine Officer Selection Officer, and start looking into Marine OCS.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
Its the other way around buddy. You are an officer first and a Naval Aviator second, whether you are in the Navy or the Marine Corps.
Parubhi 2 years ago
Yeah MArine ForeveR ;]
silkrolda 2 years ago
The Air Force needs an inspiring video like this one.
edratliff 2 years ago
im going the USNA way..or idk..i still have a year left...but i think im going usna...CANT WAIT!! =D
Going to become a pilot,AV-8B HARRIER II
USGS4L 2 years ago
the harrier wont be in service anymore if and when you become a Naval aviatior.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
OK you'll be blowing shit up in a fighter jet kick ass
codeman127 2 years ago
Your chances of succeeding in becoming an Officer are about 25 percent and going on to become a pilot about 10 percent and even less of ever flying a Harrier. You'd be wise to consider a back up plan.
wilburhog 2 years ago
Oh Lord, not this trash again....where did you get these bogus stats from? OCS generally has an attrition rate (People not making it) of 30-40%. That means that anywhere from 70%-60% successfully complete OCS....so 25%, yeah right, thats BS. Next, the Marine Corps guarantees flight contracts for those who qualify, and in the words a Marine pilot, "they can teach a monkey to fly and flight school". So, 10%, once again BS. Dont go posting bad gouge dude.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
I'll be there someday. I've got to burn this four years of enlistment first.
limestoneman 2 years ago
i cant believe mancini sent me home on the week 5 boards...i had an injury that i couldve continued training through and he sent me home....thats some bs
LEECH44 2 years ago
Why would you talk to the Col if you were an NPQ? If you talked to the Col and were dissenrolled at the 5 week boards, you are most likely a failiure drop, not an NPQ. Stop being bitter, it aint BS, they sent you home for a reason. Kick it into high gear and go back more prepared if you really want to do this...Dont sit around blaming the system.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
so if i went through nrotc and then ocs and TBS, would i have a different...experience than if i just did bootcamp? i know for those going through bootcamp, graduation is when they become marines, but when does it happen if i was to go through the nrotc route? i mean, i want the same experience as every marine, but the nrotc route would be nice for college
audiosmile1992 2 years ago
if you're going the nrotc route, which is smart, then you go to OCS the summer after junior year then after senior year you graduate and commission and I believe that is when you actually become a Marine because you commission as an officer, but I'm not positive. Then you go to TBS and your officer MOS school. If you can pass OCS then you can pass boot camp, so don't worry about missing boot if you go nrotc.
ugadawg92 2 years ago
yea thats right...im not doin nrotc just the two six weeks and we wont be considered a marine until we accept our commission when we graduate. but once you get the SRs done then you can kinda consider yourself one cuz all you gotta do after that is get your degree
suttonick 2 years ago
So I'm going To ocs May 20th, since they canceled all freshmen who were going First Increment July 3rd
bcmrcool 2 years ago
uhh... July 3rd is when 2ndInc starts. May 21st is when 1stInc started.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
no, first increment is what you call when you first go to OCS no matter when, (may 20 or July 3rd)
second Increment is when you go a second time
bcmrcool 2 years ago
It could mean both. Since both PLC Jrs and Srs run two classes each summer. The class in the first half of the summer is 1st Inc, the class in the 2nd half of the summer is 2ndinc; whether you are a first timer or returning to OCS. However, I've als heard it refferred to the way you put it.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
Yeah, here at the Berkeley OSO, it's the way I put it.
When do you go to Seniors? May 20th?
bcmrcool 2 years ago
I'm not returning until May 2010.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
Im going to OCS soon but I have done my time as an NCO in the Corps so I will have that experience that the fresh grads will not have.
jameetyy 2 years ago
I'm sure that that is extremely valuable too. Even though you will definitely have an edge on the others, I still wish you the very best of luck.
bigstevesteve15 2 years ago
oh how cute it must be nice to have all this nice shit...officers are the ones who get people killed bc they havent been put threw any stress make sure they get hot chow in the field and cami netting I would hate for the officers to get hot....poor things
USMCGUNNER08 2 years ago
You spelled "through" as "threw"
Should you be leading people?
barfity 2 years ago
Sad you have such a horrible opinion of officers.
vwguyaz87 2 years ago
that is the officer that I promise to never become, I know what it's like to dig and get stuck sitting on bs post and other horrors. Don't down them so much, they earned their commission, you can get the same if you do what they have done.
jameetyy 2 years ago
amazing.
sstmoadwn 2 years ago
In order to comission as a Marine officer, you need to have a 4 year bachelors degree. So if you want to be a Marine officer, start brushing up on your math skills. Math classes should be the least of your worries. OCS was harder than anything I have ever done in college. Your concernng yourself with the wrong things.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
I'm shipping off in October! Well, I hope I will.
dleebc 2 years ago
Hey, I have a question, I might be going my freshman year, but so you have to shave your hair before each summer session?
hahayourreadingthis 2 years ago
you get your head shaved at OCS
scooniepenn 2 years ago
my cousin sweettpea is doing this and well he should realize i support him....i was enlisted navy, now im out going to school paid for by navy then upon my deree im going to navy ocs but i respect the marines there part of my dept and i salute them.....god bless them
by the way which is hard marine oocs or marine bootcamp for enlisted???
rynocowboys2003 2 years ago
Bootcamp and OCS are not comparable. They are apples and oranges, and do not serve the same function. Bootcamp strips down civilians and builds them back up as Marines, OCS trains, screens, and evaluates for potential to serve as a Marine officer.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
sir i realize that but the trainin physcial and mental may be the same
rynocowboys2003 2 years ago
I am not a sir yet, but the priors I spoke with all agree that OCS is more physically demanding than bootcamp. But in bootcamp the D.I.'s play more mental games (fuck fuck games) than they do at OCS. So its give and take.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
thank you im going to navy ocs anyways navy reg bootcamp was a joke...
but i know navy ocs is hard physcial...but not much fuck games...thanks for helping.. me
question though sometimes at OCS they can put you in holding company for no reason...?? why is that its more easy to get washed out at ocs
rynocowboys2003 2 years ago
I dont know about Navy OCS, but at Marine OCS, there is no such things as putting candidates in holding companies. If a candidate demonstrates reapeatedly marginal or unsat preformance, they are eventually boarded and disenrolled from OCS. If you fail at something, your staff will council you and tell you what you need to fix. Make the same mistakes again, or make too many mistakes, and you face disenrollment.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
What you are thinking about is TBS (The Basic School) which is where all newly commissioned Marine 2ndLts go to learn how to become Rifle Platoon Commanders. They will place new 2ndLts checking in in Mike Company until they pick up with an actual training company. If you are injured during the POI, you can be recycled to M Co as well until you heal up pick up again with a training company. TBS is backed up right now and they have alot of Lts to train, so some have to wait.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
now my cousins said once he passes OCS he comes back home to school then he grad in dec...
so then once grad he does hes swear in...so i take it he wont be an officer until he gets hes degree??
rynocowboys2003 2 years ago
Yes, this means he is doing the PLC program. He will be OCS complete, which means he already proved he possesses the neccessary qualities to be a Marine officer, but he cannot commission until he has completed his Bachelors degree. Once he graduates, he commissions as a 2ndLt and proceeds to TBS.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
wow your smart. Sure you dont want to be a naval officer? lol well marine officers are good but im sure once you make captain its hard to advance to major, or higher...
rynocowboys2003 2 years ago
I'm not neccessarily smart, I am just knowledgeable on the Marine officer program since I am part of it. As far as being a Naval officer goes, I'd rather stick with the greenside, but without the Navy the Marine Corps wouldn't be nearly as effective as Americas 911 force. In the case of promotions, yes it is tougher to make major and higher, since at that point promotion is based primarily on merit. 1stLt and Capt are gauranteed barring any major career issues.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
and they say the hardest ranks to earn in the Marine Corps are Brigadier General and 2ndLt.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
what your mos going to be?? infantry offcier or intell??
rynocowboys2003 2 years ago
Im still a ways off from MOS selection. I attended OCS this past summer on a ground contract, I was interested in going 0602 (Comm) 0802 (Artillery) or 1802 (Tanks) initally. But now I'm looking to switch to an air contract and hopefully become a Marine helo pilot somewhere down the line. But bottom line, becoming a Marine officer is priorty for me, where ever the Marine Corps chooses to put me is fine by me.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
so you already went to ocs? what did you get your degree in?
and how many uniforms do the amrine officers have? something like 5 right?
rynocowboys2003 2 years ago
My JROTC instructor told me that to be a general officer you have to:
- move faster than a speeding bullet
- walk on water
- have x-ray vision
- be able to shape shift
and that the hard stuff would come later.
AmericanWarrior1776 2 years ago
Haha. That sounds about right. A SgtMaj must carry these same qualifications.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
Very true. E-9 is a pretty tough step. Are you a Marine officer?
AmericanWarrior1776 2 years ago
I atteneded OCS this past summer through the PLC program, I'm not a Marine officer now, but come summer 2010, Hopefully I will be.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
I wish you the best of luck in the in becoming an officer in the Marine Corps. I am going into the USN to become a Navy SEAL. Maybe someday we will see each other. After reading your comments I think you will make a good officer one day - hopefully we will serve together one day which is possible because the USN and USMC work very closely together.
AmericanWarrior1776 2 years ago
thats wat im doin
unknownmarine11 2 years ago
what was that beep at 8:46
gauchebag 2 years ago
Great Video
jonisawesome0 2 years ago
I am currently a first year in college and looking into military possibilities after I graduate. The two standing out right now are the Marines and the Air Force, primarily because I would be aiming to become a fixed-wing pilot. Does anyone have any knowledge in regards to how difficult it is to get commissioned to become a pilot after completing college and doing PLC?
wakepro101 2 years ago
The most competitive way to get a pilots slot is through the Air Force. It is easier if you go through the NROTC Marine option. Not too sure about PLC but you should check with your local unit to see how many pilots they commission every year.
ahsiznit 2 years ago
Marine FIRST pilot second. 75% helo If all you want to do is be a pilot join the chair force wakepro
jonisawesome0 2 years ago
echoing what another poster said, Marines pilots are Marines first and pilots second. Most of the Marine Corps aviation is helos anyway with a small percentage in jets, hercs, MV 22's,etc. If you want to fly only and that is your priority, go Air Force. As a Marines you WILL become a basically qualified Rifle Platoon Commander long before even getting close to an aircraft.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
no, i am a sophmore in highschool, but i hope to either get into USNA or after going to college, i will go to OCS. My dad was anofficer so i am just regurgitating everything he has told me. all i said is what he said.
KLsemperFi7 2 years ago
cant wait. from Sgt to 1stLt KILL!!!!!!!
jameetyy 2 years ago
2ndLt, no one commissions as a 1stLt.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
I want to become a Marine Officer. Anyone out there who is a Marine Officer I would appreciate advice and information thanks!
JOMAUL 2 years ago
im not but u have to go to college.
DevilDoggCorp 2 years ago
Here is the best info anyone could give you JOMAUL; go talk to an OSO, he/she will answer all your questions. An OSO is an officer recruiter BTW. Go get on that ASAP if you really want to be a Marine officer.
scooniepenn 2 years ago
question for Marine officers. So about how much time during OCS do you spend in the field, in classes? Also how does PT work?
gammathetasbear 2 years ago
wanna know how PT works, here is the basic idea, kick the shit outta them. thats all it is. kinda funny how all these ppl have bullshit that we torture ppl. water boarding and tigh spaces arent torture- they are mind games. they kick the absolute living shit outta of here, believe me, we go through more "torture" than those ppl stuck in CIA custody.
KLsemperFi7 2 years ago
so basically i need to be ready to get fucked with everyday for 10 weeks?
gammathetasbear 2 years ago
that and you will learn to be a leader. also, all i also should say is you better know how to run like the wind. and when i mean run i mean run mutha fucker run.
KLsemperFi7 2 years ago
lmao, ive been told that. thanks for the info. are u an officer?
gammathetasbear 2 years ago