The dilemma of a Jewish & a democratic state

[aleksei4321]

ISRAEL

RULES

[mihdd]

My god promised you madagascar, you should have gone there.

peace

[72Yonatan]

@mihdd

And you can just as easily move to a neighborhood far south of the equator: Haters Heights.

[hidepuller2008]

This is what you get when you consistently bang your head on a fucking brick wall.

[72Yonatan]

Israel and its Jewish people do not want a third Arab state carved out of the Palestine Mandate. Jordan is the Arab state, and Israel is the Jewish state. Israel is tiny and those who push for "two states" simply wish for our destruction.

If Great Britain can have a monarch, a state religion, and a Parliament, then Israel can do the same.

The idea that carving Israel into tinier pieces will bring sudden peace is foolish nonsense.

[hatessmug]

@72Yonatan what a stupid comparison. Britain is a secular democracy. It's monarch has no power now. They are just a show piece to remind britain's past history. Israel is no democracy. The idea that some religious nuts using religious scriptures as some sort of land titles to occupy lands and displace innocent arabs who have been living there for generations and call themselves a democratic state is laughable.

Israel is just a rothchilds evil project. Fuck zionists

[72Yonatan]

@hatessmug

Long live the monarchy! The Queen is not a "show piece" and democratic institutions have existed in Israel for thousands of years before that idea ever made it past the former absolute monarchs of Europe. Antizionists who believe in stupid conspiracy theories are the real nuts, not religious Jews. Our real power of the past was the Sanhedrin Court, and those judges were elected based upon their level of learning and scholarship in law. You're rebutted in all your baseless assertions

[hatessmug]

@72Yonatan you proved nothing for your claim that israel is democratic....a religious state can never be democratic for the government doesn't represent the minorities. It oppresses the minorities

Israel is formed by stealing arab lands basing some stupid scriptures.

And ask any english person if Monarchs have any power today politically. The answer is no.

[72Yonatan]

@hatessmug

Israel is not a religious state, unfortunately. But it is a democracy, in spite of what stupid haters may say.

[hatessmug]

@72Yonatan it is a religious state when it formed based on the religious scriptures.

[72Yonatan]

@hatessmug

If you wish to come visit Mr. Netanyahu and convince him of this point, please do. I wish that you were speaking what is true and real today. It is a mere dream for the future, and is not the present reality. Sorry Mugs. Every religious Jew dreams of a religious state, where the government will be totally under the scripture and the Laws of our people, then things would operate by justice. This government didn't help the Syrians, when Assad attacked them, doesn't treat all fairly...

[72Yonatan]

You know nothing about the monarchy in England, or its influence. You do not understand the concept of a constitutional monarchy, nor do you know how many monarchs there are in Europe today.

[hatessmug]

@72Yonatan enlighten me please. How these monarchs work and what kind of constitutional powers they have at present? And provide source for your claims instead of pulling theories out of your ass.

[72Yonatan]

@hatessmug

It is not a theory, it is history, and it is available online. The monarch of Great Britain can dismiss Parliament. The monarch of Great Britain is loved by the people and can give her opinion about many things, and the public will back her up against the House of Lords. Her influence is limited only in that she may not tell Parliament how to vote, but her opinion carries great weight. She is also the richest woman in the world. England will not be getting rid of HRM soon.

[amrews]

Occupation or democracy?

[baitcat]

@amrews democracy

[mtldrmr]

Yea lets watch a documentary thats 4 years old and claim it to be relevant, this is after the lebanon war and before operation cast lead, why dont you watch a more relevant video like maybe erm one that came out in the last year or soo.

[ryan84160]

Why should Israel have the right to exist as and ethno-religious Jewish state ?

[Amad565]

using the bible or torah as deed of Land should be considered Blasphemy 

[MrIwantanaccount]

Israel not a democracy and they have weapons of mass destruction ( we sold it to them ) and they take are tax money sounds like a terrorist state. we are in war with terrorism. lets make operation isreal freedom hell they must have some oil

[MrIwantanaccount]

Israel no democracy and they have weapons of mass destruction ( we sold it to them ) and they take are tax money sounds like a terrorist state. we are in war with terrorism. lets make operation isreal freedom hell they must have some oil

[DCFunBud]

The two state solution died with Arafat at Camp David. Israel has never been stronger and more in control of Palestine. The Palestinians have never been weaker and more divided. Israel knows it can occupy the Palestinians in the West Bank. They are not sure they can remove the Israelis from there. The secular Israelis and the Orthodox can not coexist for long. The orthodox have to live somewhere. It's called the West Bank. Palestinians can always move to Jordan. The Israelis have won.

[stepheng1483]

Israel is the most racist, supremacist country on Earth, they still have apartheid there.

[djstick666]

fucking jews the thing u are doing to people just because of stupid religion. Remember hitler and the horrible things that he's done to u, it seems u need a reminder again about suffering, to learn to respect other people's differences again like the poor palestinian people u harass everyday, the whole world joined in effort just to save ur lousy ass from hitler and now ur doing lots of attrocities against humanity aswell, u didn't deserve what the world has done for u. Christ killers. :P

[wrldeye12]

@djstick666 clearly u have a mental pathology. may your malice you sow for others be reaped in your own life

[djstick666]

@wrldeye12 it seems to mee that u are an ignorant person

[wrldeye12]

@djstick666 so what?

[djstick666]

@wrldeye12 it seems to me that i'm not the only one with the same opinion, and it seems u are the real ignorant person here, u just don't get it do u? let me tell u this u pink world naive moron, jews are hipocrite bastards by doing this to palestine and for me they could all rot in Auschwitz-Birkenau if i care. What makes u think they have the right to do this uh? Live and let live, dumb people... Power is Corruption, every government is, thank god for Youtube and Wikileaks

[djstick666]

@wrldeye12 clearly ur one of those that thinks the world is pink or ur one of the Jews, wake up for life man, it's 'cuz of people like u, that allways looks on the "bright" side that the world it's like it is now. fuck off, ur the one mental and blind, go watch teddy bear and go back to ur pink sleep.

[wrldeye12]

@djstick666 there is just malice in some peoples hearts, and you're an example. the world is far from 'pink' and you're an example of why it isn't. I may look on the bright side but I'm in no way ignorant of the dark ;p

[djstick666]

@wrldeye12 malice to u justice to others, every coin has 2 sides, maybe i'm evil to u, i don't care but these types of actions are condemnable to me nomatter what race, color, etc. But the jews above all should not engage in these types of actions after what the world has done for them that's all. U look at words and judge me of beeing evil and having malice, but u look at this video and u don't see nothing lol.... Clearly ur the one blinded and pink sleeping lol

[wrldeye12]

@djstick666 maybe you're evil and express malice towards me, but you don't care. yes maybe you are evil, but you're clearly unaccountable, and that's where evil begins. just keep it in your heart

[djstick666]

@wrldeye12 who the fuck are u to judge me??? keep the judgement to urself u self rightheous pig, ur the one beeing evil for suporting these racist actions u hypocrite, simple minded, and finally look at the mirror and start the judges to urself, mr. perfect, and it's not malice, it's just rage, against human stupidity u see in this video, and u, the most perfect example of blindness and naivety. Evil begins in ignorance not in rage towards human stupidity, in fact this video and ur bullshit talk

[wrldeye12]

@djstick666 well you said you didn't care about "maybe" being evil to me, and that you "don't care," no? didn't you say that? you don't care if you're being evil to me or acting out of malice? do you really know what malice means? look it up... 'the desire to inflict harm or suffering on another." I may think the nazis we're wrong and evil, but they only deserved justice, not malice. if you can find reason for your rage and malice for another, than you tarnish all your other opinions.

[djstick666]

@wrldeye12 Yes the Nazis deserved everything they also done to jews for them to learn just like the jews need to learn now, that's my opinion, i really think some ppl on planet earth need reminders like this sometimes just so they get down to planet earth again and stop acting like they'r gods of the world, u clearly don't understand human nature son, pitty for what? once u turn ur back they stab u like a dog, justice is best served when u do to them what they done to u, not to say even worse.

[djstick666]

@wrldeye12 and to finally quit this conversation, all i want to say is that all the comments i posted here where to defend the palestinian ppl from isreali abuse, i condemn those acts and no human beeing is more than anyone to consider his race above all others and find excuse to do such atrocities, my judgement to that is death, call me evil for that if i care.

[wrldeye12]

@djstick666 So I "consider my race above all others to do such atrocities"? Interesting. it's racial superiority that determines Israels defensive behaviors, not the fact that 6 million Jews are surrounded by over a billion muslims and arabs that daily pray for and plot Israels destruction. Ok, like I said I'm ok with you're willingness to identify with malice. I'm sad for it but I'm ok with it. lol on your "fuck off and merry christmas" comment! truly captures the spirit of the season! shalom

[djstick666]

@wrldeye12 maybe u do consider ur race above all others.... by standing up to defend israeli soldier's evicting inocent palestine ppl... maybe u do....

[djstick666]

@wrldeye12 and u still didnt answer my question: HOW OLD ARE U?

[djstick666]

@wrldeye12 u fool, quick to judge raging words, but blind to see what's happening in the video, but nomatter what i say u'll allways see evil in my words lol,(don't really care) but hey there's a saying, he who most speaks and blames is who has more to be said about. As i said it's ur point of view but every coin has 2 sides, evil to u, justice to others... I know it's too much for ur simple mind to digest but hey when ur ignorant better to shut up and learn first.

[wrldeye12]

@djstick666 "quick to judge raging words"?? now you're not accountable for your words because you said them out of rage? lol "YEAH I'M EVIL!!!! YEAH! LOL" Good for you. I'm not here to persuade you to my way of thinking, only to clarify what someone like you think. Guess what, I'm comfortable with that. I can't take responsibility for someone else's low moral character but I can and will act in your opposition, preferably intellectually but if necessary otherwise.Yeah you're evil lol!

[djstick666]

@wrldeye12 dude u really don't get it do u? OMFG u just have to get a picture in 3d for ur little brain to understand.... i was joking when i said that comment : "YEAH I'M EVIL" oh well... fuck off and merry christmas lol

[djstick666]

@wrldeye12 let me erase that "i'm evil" coment, i definitely don't want ignorant, anal phabet ppl like u getting hasty conclusions lol. sry if my joke about u looking a medieval priest was too much for ur medieval brain lol

[djstick666]

@wrldeye12 if u think that by trying to sound like a nice guy u'll intelectually beat me, wake up first look at the world we're living in and after that talk to me.

[djstick666]

@wrldeye12 u sound like some rich moma's boy that had his entire life in a gold craddle, and knows nothing about real life at all... in fact ur picking a "intelectual fight" with me giving urself the excuse that i'm evil just to keep going, but again if ur simple brain such as urself digs deeper in this video comments u'll much much more foul comments than mine's, but again u didn't figured that out did you? lol ffs get a life

[wrldeye12]

@djstick666 lol, stating you have a mental pathology may not be flattering but it's merely my assessment of your mental stated. instead you called me a 'pig, i have a little brain, a fool" and that Jews need another lesson in suffering, clear examples of malice you also claimed to be comfortable with. Ok, you sound far more measured than I. i'll end with the best and the worst for you: may you reap what you sow. good luck and good bye djstick666!

[djstick666]

@wrldeye12 no wonder how the bible speaks of ur people as a stubborn disobedient people, as a matter of fact u only are a part of E.U. just 'cuz of ur past with christianity, else u would be rotting in middle east surrounded with enemies and maybe ur country wouldn't even exist now and lots of middle east troubles aswell. Again if u judge me by my name or by my words u don't know me kiddo... i'm not even going to try to explain that again to u 'cuz i know it's too much for u (continues)...

[djstick666]

@wrldeye12 (continuing)... u know nothing of me while now i know something of u, u might think i'm mad but i know ur blind

[djstick666]

@wrldeye12 let me ask u this: HOW OLD ARE U? LOL

[jewhitler1]

Palestine is a State already. Palestine is a country as well. israeli is NOT a state no matter what you say or think

[montrazvan89]

:"God gave us the land" =)) , i can also say he gave me entire Europe, it's written in my sacred book: "the book of razvan" , I can show it to you and prove it! ! =))

[strontvinger2001]

the other countreys shoud not have attackt the jews in the jom kipoer war they started it and got beaten like the spinles cowards most moslims are

[LAITH316]

@strontvinger2001 israel started the wars when they started forcing people from there lands raping and murdering them in the proccess the muslims just fought back yep how spineless of them

[NEKO2BOT]

Zionists use religiuos arguments when it suits them then drop them like a hot potato when it does not suit them.

If you can possibly believe that "God" promised land to the Jews then why did keep it from them for 2000 years and is there a record of "him" changing his mind in 1948?

Are we also to believe that "he" wanted them to have it and yet made the steal it from the Palestinians?

Why were the early Zionists mainly atheists?

Israel in fact is a terror state - nothing to do with God

[djstick666]

@NEKO2BOT well spoken, yes sir

[kithp]

yet another biased piece on Israel which pretends to be an honest outlook. It takes two sides two compromise, not only the Israelis.

[MartinTheAmerican]

Adolf Hitler in his book (MEIN KAMPF) or (MY STRUGGLE) described the ugly Jews as "...JEWS ARE EVIL RACE, NOT A RELIGIOUS GROUP STRUGGLING FOR WORLD DOMINATION..."

Mr Hitler was quite right when he characterized Jews as (UNTERMENSCHEN) or (SUBHUMANS). You can't change evil cultures (like the ugly Jews) except to put that culture and its people on bonfires.

R.I.P. Adolf Hitler

[4Tamashah]

Martin the camel rider. two words:

FUCK ISLAM.

you have 23 countires to go to. Jews have one.

[belgi2]

asahmed1980

i know many palestinian who go against hamas regime or condemn terror attacks. the only reason why you don't see them on T.V or in gaza is because they get shot on the street! ---> read the "jersualem post" the conflict is writen by a plaestinian living in Jerusalem.

and if you would know anything about the conflict and not youtube vids you wouldn't give stupid comments over and over again!

[jonathandiaz8]

The name of guy who locked the gas chambers' doors wansn't named Ahmed!

Have you fucking nation in Austria or Switzerland !

[abram730]

Why do Israeli Schools teach Arab children to hate Jews? Another difficult question and I could be that they are not willing to make new text books... Perhaps you could use Palestinian Text books as they don't teach the that.

[abram730]

How many Israeli's understand that there are Jewish people in their country that pay Arabs to shoot rockets at them? This is a much repeated tactic used in many Democracies as you find the sickest minds in power in a country. It's not a "Zionist" thing, it's a power thing. Perhaps they learned it from the Nazis and why would Jewish people except that kind of rule? It goes back to the rockets and bombers and the reason for funding it.

[asahmed1980]

For those who think I wrote BS in my previous text comment about Israel's oppression of the Palestinian people. Let me ask you this: Why are there Jews around the world AND IN ISRAEL who condemn the oppression of the Palestinians and yet you'll never find a Palestinian willing to condone Israels actions?

[arigreenblatt]

How ironic that Jordan is an undemocratic state, with a maroity of palestinians. Shouldnt that be mentioned in this debate ?

[arigreenblatt]

No one seems to be able to relate to the savage systematic killing of Jews by the nazi regime in ww2. Actually, there were many other equally savage massacres of Jews all the way back to Roman times. Thats why we are paranoid. Its human nature. We have reason to be paranoid about our safety. In the end, all this is from heaven and its a reaction to 2000 years of roman/european brutality. The arabs are not to blame.

[kschumannjr]

No one seems to be able to "relate" to this b.s. is because there are few if any still around who were directly involved in it. So maybe you should start making a future and stop crying about your past, which you have no direct involvement with. Also, read a book instead of zionist propaganda manual because the jews were not massacred by the Romans they were defeated and crippled for their failed attempts at revolt and succession.

[arigreenblatt]

Most Jews in the world today are affected by this. If our parents are no longer alive, the next generation gears the scars. You have no idea, none at all. G-d will be the judge and not you thankfully. As or the Palestinians, they have been manipulated by the Arab world and other anti jewish soures and i truly feel sorry for them.

[kschumannjr]

You think the Palestinians are being manipulated ? Manipulated towards what? Wanting their own land, wanting their elected government recognized, wanting their stolen land returned? It is you that have no idea what you're discussing. You have been manipulated by your zionist peers and have compromised your views.

[arigreenblatt]

well, its easy to accuse, easy to judge, but we are all manipulate din the end. Ultimately, one needs to see life through the perspective of history and we onnly live 1 generation, thats why i believe that G-d will judge.. what i can say is that i am very very sad about the people callin themselves palestinians in terms of how they suffer

[rencrow]

A bit hard to be manipulated by the arab world when your children are being shot at and your homes are being dismantled.

[arigreenblatt]

dear rencrow

this is a life and death struggle literallyty, its truly sad for me, an Israeli Jew to see how much hatred and criticism there is on all sides. The only way forwards is for ALL of us, especially people outside the middle east to show support and caring, instead of taking sides. All people need to improve. YOur important role can ne to show sympathy for the suffering instead of criticising any one side

[MartinTheAmerican]

Yes my fellow Christian and Muslim supporters. I have dreams and one of those dreams is to set up concentration camps in the Middle East to exterminate the remaining 6 million ugly Jews who are stealing and killing innocent Palestinian people.

[4Tamashah]

Read very carefully, cause Muslims do not pay attention to truth. & always are in their denial, and their own Mullah style B.S. Palestinians are not innocents at least not all of them. Israel has to take precautions. If Jordan had the Judea ( west bank ) From 1948 till 1967. were was the Palestinian state then? Why Egypt did not give Gaza to Palestinians before 1967? Jordanians and Egyptians know that very well,

It is their garbage that Israel is dealing with.

[am1966ath]

@4Tamashah well said, they(Jordan and Egypt) don t want any palestinian state.

[4Tamashah]

Specially when the members of hamass hide behind innocent children, & later try to teach them to shoot with guns, instead of going to school. Remember Israel would never retalaite if there were no attckes against the Israelis, wether Jew or Arab citizens of Israel, Israel defends its citizens. When Hammas will stop sending rockets into unarmed citizens of israeli territory, then Israel will never attack back! how simple is that?

[MartinTheAmerican]

Oooooh...God bless you Adolf Hitler for killing the ugly Jews.

R.I.P. Adolf Hitler

[4Tamashah]

Jordan and Egypt got their independence in 1946 so did Syria. ( 2 years before Israel).

Why in 1948 when they annexed Juda, they did not give a piece or independence to palestinains? because Jordan was supposed to be all for Palestinains. & Israel was supposed to be west of Jordan river for Jews.

Remeber there was no talk about the country called palestine, cause there was a nver a Palestine. Look it up. What was the year? who was the king? or president?

[MartinTheAmerican]

Jews are evil race...Jews are the scum of the earth...Jews are humanity killers.

DEATH TO THE UGLY JEWS.

REST IN PEACE ADOLF HITLER FOR KILLING THE UGLY KIKES.

[MartinTheAmerican]

I am a Christian and I am proud of my tolerant religion. I am not anti-Semitic because I have a tremendous respect for Arabs who are Semitic, too. But I am a JUDEOPHOBE. My dream is to put the remaining 6 million ugly JEWS on bonfires.

[4Tamashah]

MARTIN ( mahmoud) YOU ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN.

Eat Jewish kharrah and MAUT.

[am1966ath]

@MartinTheAmerican the jews are 13 million, 6million of them in the US.

[MartinTheAmerican]

Fuck Judaism!

[arigreenblatt]

Its important to remember that Israel as a state is the product of history, notably the ww2 holocaust. This movie focuses on the current suffering. As an orthodox Jew, I am very aware of the human suffering as a result of creating Israel. However, keep in mind always that Jews were systematically butchered for years, 20,000 a day in 1944 !

[kschumannjr]

Does this fact somehow make the displacement of millions of Palestinians any more tolerable. Even worse, can Israel even be considered a democracy when their current practices prove otherwise (ie. apartheid). You should keep in mind the amount of suffering that Africans went through due to slavery, yet we do not see every country (indirectly involved) pouring 6 billion dollars a year into Africa like the US is with Israel.

[4Tamashah]

Israel has 100% right to west bank, and Jerusalem it is Judea, a historic part of the relgion of Judaism. Arabs have plenty of place in Jordan and if that is not enough, they have 22 additional countries to share.

[rencrow]

Thats not an excuse for Israel to systematically demolish palestinian homes and kill the palestinian people. Its really ironic seeing jews who emigrated from other parts of the world to palestine after WW2 giving lectures about arabs having plenty of land elsewhere. Its ridiculous.

[arigreenblatt]

dea rencrow,

the sa reality is that if a plaestinian attack occurs from a house, then that house is demolished. Its a war. Wars are sad events. If a Palestnian is fighting by shooting rockets then its a war too, and thtat person may be killed. Why do the Palestinian rockets target civilians ? They are desperate for their freedom, but i do no think that they should intentionally target civilians.

[Peraj82]

It was in Europe

Why Palastinian are paying for it!!!!

[4Tamashah]

Where was palestine when Ottoman empire was ruling? When was a country even called palestine? Didn't England give Jordan to palestinian Arabs? way did Arafat attempt a quo against the Jordanian king ? Do you remember black September? isn't it time for the Islamic criminals solve the problem of the refugees? wasn't it the mistake of the four neighboring countries that kept attacking Israel for no reason but racism? what happened when Jordan stole the west bank? where was palestine then?

[Peraj82]

for all of your craps I have one answer

WHERE WAS ISRAEL BEFORE 1946.....

?!!!

[4Tamashah]

That is why I call Zionists the real Jews, they are Jews with determination. They made the Jewish dream come true. though Israel was there 3300 years ago, and was invaded by Romans , some Jews remained always there and their population was higher than Arabs that later on joined them after 632 for work and survival. This was almighty's will that Jews will return and rebuilt their country and now we are working for them to be safe.

[arigreenblatt]

Its important to remember that Israel as a state is the product of history, notably the ww2 holocaust. This movie focuses on the current suffering. As an orthodox Jew, I am very aware of the human suffering as a result of creating Israel. However, keep in mind always that Jews were systematically butchered for years, 20,000 a day in 1944 !

[kil7erdeath7]

israel has become a militant state and very paranoid through past history events,men and women are drafted into the forces and this is instilled and a indoctrinate, they have become almost self sufficient that only isolates them from arabic issues,my personal belief is they are there own worst enemy!

[kschumannjr]

I understand what you are saying and agree, but I must refute some points. Israel is anything but self sufficient, whether speaking militarily or economically. Their economy and advancements are intrinsically tied with the US, yet they are still poorer then the majority of South America, which mind you is considered third world by some. And their heavy military machinery is almost completely received through US contracts. Without the US Israel would be effectively finished.

[kil7erdeath7]

i know the us have a symbiosis type of relationship with israel and alot of money has been directed at the militia having a almost fortified effect ,sure there is poverty and this is my argument where the dichotomy is happening , the youth vehemently support a right wing policy which has done nothing but widened the gap between arabic related issues.....compromise is the way forward.

[l8rthen]

I agree, this is a great video. What a dilemma,; Israel cannot be a full democracy and remain Israel; they will be conquered by the arab womb. This vid has me checking out others. Good food for thought.

[YadaYadaguy]

Jews while they love to throw the Anti-Semite Tag out ..they are the racist.they started this shit the whole history of racsim can be tracked to there migration patterns.

[l8rthen]

yada, this is a serious post. I have seen your Jewish hatred posted elsewhere. Please stop spamming. If you have an edifying comment, please post. Else, take your irrational hatred elsewhere.

[kschumannjr]

I agree with Yada...I live in New York so we sometimes hear big news stories that happen in South Canada and did you know that Jews have been caught spray painting swastikas on synagogues in Toronto. I assume to propagate the anti-antisemitism argument. I am happy I have more sensible Jewish friends who are not apparent racists.

[britishempire01]

Israel is occupying palestine. Stop being unrealistic and attaching your emotions to a document that was written over 2000 years ago. Get real.....

[ZakkoryWylde]

Great video! Just came across this news service, will be sure to watch many more of your videos now too.

[kazuo62]

"Unauthorized Israeli settlements"? And who is the priveleged party to authorize them to settle in parts of occupied Israel? The U.N. is busy talking about Palestine and the rights of the Syrian Arabs squatting on that land. Palestine. An artificial border around a lump of land. Created in the 20th century by Europe along with the other Arab states.

[hajqbvii]

Very informative. Thanks for this posting. Democracy is not just having elected officials Israel!

[getplaning]

This is the best channel on Youtube

[Waldemar3]

Israel most definitely does NOT want a Palestinian state. And why oh why do they not want the general public to look into their business & what they are doing. They certainly have no problem having everyone point cameras towards the Palestinians. If you dare look into Israel and make enough noise you then become labeled as an 'anti-Semite'. Sad.