God is so good that most everyone is going to go to hell. Apparently most people aren't christian and a lot of christians say that not everyone professing to be christian is saved... seems hard for me to believe in such a deity and consider it to be omnibenevolent. Why don't we have 100% christianity if it's correct? Why would God allow such an uncertainty in such an important topic?
What if that Law was not a system of rules but just the way of things?
As in the "Law of Gravity" just simply is.
As in you let go of something heavier than the air around it and it falls to the ground.
What if God's Law actually exists? What if God doesn't have a hierarchy of Sin? as in one sin is as much as all the sins. What if Sin isn't about individual actions but a state of being?
Perhaps we could all think about that instead of being closed minded?
What if we are all Sinners because we choose to try to be gods ourselves and want to ignore the God? Sorry that you may be offended but actually thats also in the Bible. God offends people all the time.
Christ's message is offensive to the proud. But there is hope in Jesus because none of us can be good enough to be right with God. I suspect that if we all died today thats when we will know for sure. But perhaps it will be too late by then? The great thing is that whatever anyone says, whatever I say, whatever Ray Comfort says, we all still have a choice to believe whatever we want and perhaps thats why we should let Ray be.
If he is lying for sure, one day we will all know but if anything he says is true.... would it not be a good idea to investigate it a bit more instead of automatically assuming you have all the answers? what if you don't?
You say, " so because I looked at a women and felt lust would make me an adulterer"
No you would not be. it is what you did with that lust. You violated that woman in your mind. You thought of what you would like to do to her. That is the sin. You acted on the temptation with your mind and violated her. She could be someones wife, and you violated her in your mind. God calls that sin and wicked.
Ever read the bible there bud. God does judge the desires of the heart and finds all who lust in thier mind guilty. So yes you did not do the act openly but in your imagination. God still sees and finds you guilty. We are not talking human standards but God's and God sees all
God is NOT just. Prevention is superior to punishment on all accounts. If he was just he wouldn't allow rapists, murderers, etc. to even exist if he had the power to get rid of them. He wouldn't just let them do all that shit and then put them in hell after the damage had already been done. That solves NOTHING. Fuck god, I've seen more justice in a Charles Brohnson movie.
Ray never accuses anyone of anything, he only asks the questions that expose the truth. I see a lot of people accusing him though. As for him being a terrorist...
2Co 5:11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
Absolutely not! Satan's job is to allow a person to believe they're doing just fine, just fine- in that person's path to destruction. CS Lewis' "The Screwtape Letters" has a great perspective on this. Have a great day!
Oh brother. I snapped out of the Christian-trance when I realised it's all about hype and selling. First, you tell somebody they need something, then you tell them how to get it. No wonder it works so well!
"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain..." ;)
If it's 'selling' that you're worried about, you can get 'The Screwtape Letters' at most libraries. The gift of God's salvation is free...too many people just confuse the term free with cheap.
By the philosophy of Jesus, I am equal to Hitler, that is a FACT. All Ray(Jesus) is saying is nobody is perfect. This philosophy is very similar to Socrates Ring of Gyges, which I would be a murdering bank robber :). Both philosophies point out that NOBODY is a good person.
Rubbish.You're conveniently leaving out what standard you are using as comparison.
Divine Standard is perfect, so yes we are no better than hitler in that we are all criminals by this perfect standard. But God accepts this, and has a plan to bring us to perfection.
Human Standard is flawed, and we develop our morality based on cultural standards. Those who turn their back on those standards we can safely say are criminal in the moral sense. Hitler was such a criminal. I am not.
You're operating under the assumption that such a "divine standard" exists in the first place, when we have seen no example of any such thing. And it's not "turning your back" on something if you DON'T EVEN BELIEVE IT.
OK, you seem to have missed the point of the previous comment. We are talking about our theological understanding of Christ Jesus' morality, so as True God and True Man He has two natures one human and one divine. They co-exist without mixing, confusion or separation or division. That is the only context with which I am talking about Jesus, and yes this assumes his divinity is real.
Left out a standard? Jesus philosophy is a standard of morality, so is the Ring of Gyges is a standard. Both prove we are evil.
The Ring of Gyges is all about human standards of morality. The Ring proves we all future criminals. The only difference from Hitler and Havock89 is that Hitler had lots of power. Hitler was a lot like any human before power.
Nobody is good, and that was the point of the comment. I do not feel it was "rubbish" pointing out that we all are evil?
Hitler embraced his own concept of morality and ethics. I do not rely on my own morality and ethics, but the orthodix catholic church of Christ, which has been given authority to teach and to tend its willing members.
Hitler was not willing, he was led by his false egotism, and separated himself from the source of all goodness. I am still in a state of grace with my Lord.
havock89, sorry for late response. dismissing what I say as "wrong" or "rubbish", seems very closed minded. My last comment was all about nobody is "good" and your response is "wrong". I used the ring of gyges as my example. However I do enjoy the philosophy of Jesus equally as well. if I remember correctly, Matthew 19, mark 10, luke 18, Jesus said NOBODY was "good", not even Christ. Hitler thought he was doing good. Compare the crimes of religion to the crimes of hitler, which is better?
Havock89, when Adam and Eve ate the apple they were able understand what is right and wrong. You are wasting that gift when you decided to follow the morals and ethics of an organized religion or a book.
You make it sound that becoming a freethinker will take you away from "goodness." If you were alive during the inquisitions would you still be a follower of the church or standing up against them?
I think the biggest problem with humans is they do not think for themselves.
Once again an ill-educated person is commenting on a teaching they dont understand and summarily passing judgement on it!
The apple represents man's rebellion from God. Instead of relying on God who is the author of all things. All knowledge and rationality comes from him. He is the source of being and truth. Mankind decides he wants to go it alone. Separating himself from God, which perverts the common grace given to man which led to suffering and death, we all "enjoy".
Havorick, ill-educated? I have mentioned how nobody is good and even quoted Jesus, and you told me I was "wrong", "rubbish". You keep disagreeing with me and all I am doing is educating you about the philosophy of Christ.
I guess educating me that the apple was rebellion against God was more important (of course silly I think even the most ill-educated knows that). That does not change the fact that knowledge is a gift. A gift that came with a price of death, but nevertheless a gift. Use it.
Our rationality is the gift. Using our rationlaty to make ourselves "like God" was what happened when we ate the apple. It was the rebellion not the "magic apple" that is important. Mans will moved away from god by means of the misuse of the free will he gave us.
Use your brain god gave you to realise the error you are making and repent of it
That just doesn't make sense, you assume things we know are from god. Yet for sometime now we didn't know the colors of dinosaurs, now we know the colors of a few how did we get that knowledge through god, or good hard work and science. If you say god then you really are something.
The christian premise is that God sustains everything while trandscending eveything. In the eucharistic mass it is expressed by the blessing Called the Doxology. "Through Him, With Him, In Him, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, all glory and honour is yourse Almighty Father, for ever and ever, amen."
All religions apply nature to fill the void in their souls in search of God. Christinaity is unique in having found God, it uses all nature to praise and remind us of our gratuity towards Him.
So all of nature is ascociated with god, is that what your saying and were all supposed to praise him for something to him you think is a miracle in itself. So despite 99% percent of the species that lived on planet earth, and the fact that this planet will last another 5 billion years, long before the universe ends. And that all weather patterns can be explained by scientist your going to attribute nature to your god.
What does proximal causation have to do with teleological causation? What does the how, have to do with the why? Why reference the physical in a conversation about the spiritual?
I don't know maybe becuase it violates the laws of nature. Your talking about something that can't happen and pretending it can. You are also ignoring things humans have accomplished like Highspeed bullet trains, super conductors.
As to you being equal to hitler. Let me explain again. Christ Jesus was true man and true God. He had two natures and two wills that functioned in union without conflict.
By the Godheads standards we are indeed all equally guilty, but as Christ is the intercessor between man and our Heavenly Father, having shared our humanity with us, he has pity on us, and shows us patience and mercy. We are justified by our commitment to "metanoia" to change our mentality and embrace his Holy nature.
A terrorist is someone who "criminally" terrifies someone. If you are warning someone of an evil, that is not a criminal act, and if you refuse to tell someone of the impending doom, you are guilty of that doom by inaction.
It IS criminal to use fear as a means of converting others to a certain belief system. YOU are doing it right now with your "guilty of doom by inaction" bullshit. To claim that hell exists just to convince other people to adhere to your worldview is terrorism. You seriousy have no idea how much you sound like a Taliban cleric, do you?
The taliban only want human-styled power and an enforced hegemony over the world. There is no choice involved, no free will to choose your own path, even if (as in your case) it leads you off a cliff-top.
If you dont accept the concept of a creator who sustains our very esence & existence made us for the purpose of becoming like him so that that essence and exitence could exist with him in eternity. thats your business,
In your eyes, there IS STILL no choice involved; you're damned if you don't believe, and people like Ray try to scare people into believing it. You can't just use the excuse of "oh, well it's not like that cuz heaven and hell are real so none of that applies", that's a retarded unsubstantiated cop-out that is used when you lack a defensible argument. You even use the word "accept" instead of "believe in", like it's some proven fact or something.
Actually we can still believe and be damned. There are no guarantees. God will save us if He can. If our nature makes us incompatible for our spiritual union with God, there is no choice but to be resigned to an insane,hateful and hopeless existence for the rest of time. When this universe ends, then you die the second death. Which is what atheists believe is our natural end in anycase.
Tested and proven to YOUR standards? Your HUMAN standards? rolleyes...
Bottom line is, they're saying that if you don't adhere to beliefs A, B, C and D then you're going to be punished for it in some terrible way. THAT, my friend, is terrorism. We can argue about what's supposedly required to avoid said punishment all day, but that's not even the core issue, so why bother?
Terrorism cannot reasonably be applied to anything that will happen after death, if you dont believe in an afterlife.
The way you are using the term punishment is not correct when applied to christianity.
It is not punishment to drive yourself off a cliff. You consign yourself to hell, and people consign themselves to hell on this side of the veil (in this life) as well.
To be honest I dont think you have even a basic grasp on these theological concepts, from what I have heard.
there's is different levels of punishment in hell and everyone will die one day, and God does not want us to go to hell but we have free will, and everyone is a sinner its in our nature,when you die you either go to heaven or hell there is no in between.One day we will die on this earth but our soul will live forever in heaven or hell you choose.....and now you will have no excuse on judgement day. if you have questions ask and God bless
Thank God for preachers like Ray Comfort who tell it like it is.If you don't fear God,thats on you.On Judgment Day,no matter how many sins you've committed,if you never repented from them and accepted God's awesome Gift of eternal life,then you WILL burn in hell.Heaven is God's House,and He will not allow proud sinners to enter His Home..Revelation 21:8
Ok, I dont belive in a god, I dont belive in a ultimate meaning, why worry whats going to happen after you die? how is that going to help you live a better life. The other thing is that because of "faith" you loose all sence of autonomy, thats the abelity to think for your self and use deductive reasoning skills to figure out how things work. I use the Proximate Meaning, I use the abservation of nature, I use science.
If what you see scares or terrorizes you it may be for a reason. I would apparently be called a terrorist for running screaming toward your child playing on a busy road, because it frightens him and upsets you. I try to save your child from a danger that exists whether you or he believe it to be real or not. Truth is truth, popular or not. Seek it earnestly, and you will find it. What Christ did to save us is true. Heaven & Hell exist. Thankfully there are brave people to warn of the danger.
Well it would be nice if he'd actually PROVE heaven and hell existed instead of trying to scare us into believeing it, thus making him a TERRORIST. Brave? No, manipulative is more like it. As George Carlin said, "The nerve o' these pricks!".
Thanks for your response! I just wanted to say that if youre just waiting for someone to prove heaven & hells existence to you, Im sorry, I dont think its possible until youre on your way. At least, in the way you define prove. If there was absolute proof everyone who did not believe could see, touch, feel and smell theyd still find a way to deny. Man loves himself and his own desires too much. People in Jesus day saw His miracles, and He was still denied.
Once a person sees the truth, it becomes impossible to un-see. For those who dont believe, there seems to be kind of a veil that falls over their eyes that inhibits them from seeing truth, beauty, divine design, and even miracles that occur every day. As time progresses, this veil seems to become thicker.
The manipulation you accuse Comfort of only exists if he personally has something to gain. You could say Im trying to manipulate you, except I couldnt present to you anything I would have to gain that you could possibly understand. I only know there was a time that I, though I could never ignorantly deny the existence of a God, not only did not follow Him, but turned my back and ran the other direction.
Years later when I did discover and embraced His love and truth, my heart began to ache for non-believers and those who were like me. So I do gain something when someone comes closer to seeing the truth or embracing the gift of salvation, even if it is just an intense moment of joy. Those are truly hard to find in this world today.
So, though I have nothing to gain by it, know that I and others like me do care about you. I am not judging you, accusing you, or hating you. I apologize for those who have wronged you while having Gods name on their lips, but not truly in their hearts. One piece of advice Ive always held onto is: Never let a Christians bad example stand between you and God.
In my mind, the only difference between a true Christian and non-Christians is that a true Christian knows how screwed up and in trouble he/she is and how much they need a Savior. But Jesus speaks of the narrow path that leads to life that few will find, and even some who call themselves Christians are in danger of missing this path:
those in danger are the ones who are not following what He stated were the 2 most important Commandments: Love God with all your mind, heart, & soul and love your neighbor as yourself. It doesn't matter who the person is or what he/she calls themselves. If they don't follow these commands, they are not following Jesus. I do sincerely wish the best for you and your family. Keep earnestly seeking the truth, my friend, and you will find it.
(notice I said if b4) u c a "stop" sign an kno someone created it, u c the pyramids an kno someone created them eventho u werent there. U cant have a cell w/o dna or dna w/o a cell. every cell in ur body is more complex than a super computer but yet u believ life came from an explosion. Life is not random, u can c God in all of His creation but yet ur the 1 that has FAITH that complex life is n accident. Have u ever seen non living matter become living matter thats what had 2 happen in ur theory
U want God 2 come and fix the problems in this world and He will, but ur blessed that He hasnt yet bcuz that would mean judgement on u and punishment for the sins u comitted. But like I said ur blessed bcuz as long as your breathing u have a chance to get right with God. But then again there is nothing 2 fix in ur oppinion cuz sin is a man made idea, and there is no God so every 1 is the god of there own world & they can do what they want(rape,murder,lie) & who r u 2 say they cant! or its wrong!
If there is no God then there is no you. Your just a random collection molecules no different than a rock and everything you do and say is random. You have no soul and you cant control your own thoughts because molecules dont have thoughts or reason.(thats science) But you know thats not true, you know you think, feel love, hate and want justice and those things cant be measured scientifically. Your not just random molecules. Your a soul with a conscience and a body and free will to reject God!
Random? No. If it was random there would be no you. The structure of DNA, the processes of stellar formation. Natural selection. All of it is very order and follows laws. Where is God? If he exists, he wouldn't be a prick nd hide away and only come out in small things. If he won't show himself, how are we to know he exists.
There's different degrees of persecution. It's not only limited to the Middle East and some Southeast Asian countries.
I don't think people should be attacked for not believing in Christianity. I'm an Evangelical Christian and I don't attack people for their unbelief. It's a waste of time.
I think science has made the world a better place. Unfortunately - I don't think people are going to stop pushing their own agendas, everyone wants to be the winner...it's all about "me"....and not just in this country.
I think we should stop attacking each other because we have different books stating different things. Christianity is offensive...the message of the Cross offends people. That's why Christians are persecuted.
Competition breed progress, and unfortunately, some people get left behind. One day we may solve that problem.
I am skeptical of the "Christian Persecution" thing. Christianity is the major religion of the Western world. Only in the Middle East and some Southeast Asian countries where Islam is prominent is where I will give you the persecution thing.
As for the offensive claim. I'm only offended when Christian's attack us for not believing in it. If it didn't happen, I wouldn't be here.
Yes, I believe he will...I don't know when that will be, but - it seems to me we can't go on this path forever. What is it exactly that you believe in?
I believe this is the only life we have and we shouldn't waste it in trying to please some magical sky fairy we can't see. I believe we should use science to make the world a better place for the next generation. I think we should stop attacking each other because we have different books stating different things. Essentially, stop being dicks and telling people how to live their lives.
You're looking at what he's saying from our legal system's perspective..as if you're in a court of law. In the eyes of our law someone who commits murder or rape is worse than a thief, I believe that too... - but - he's not talking about that. He's talking about God's perspective...in God's eyes sin is sin. There are no small sins to God. Sin is sin. Period. That was a shock to me when I realized that's the difference. Listening to what Ray says from that perspective changes it. Maranatha.
Exactly. If there was a all-knowing, all-powerful god, wouldn't he come down here and stop all this shit? Or is he just an incompetent prick who can't keep his creation in line?
They all have an afterlife and places of good or evil. There's no point in a logical argument because it's endless point/counterpoint. My life has been transformed by a God who declares Godself to be holy, just, and true, yet merciful and love itself. Archaeology and history confirm the people and the places of the Bible and no other god I know is LIVING, has transformed countless people from the inside out,and who works good through them.
Then please, do us all a favor and shut the fuck up and keep your religion to yourself. If people did that, then this video would not exist, but when you come attacking atheists like Ray has, expect a counter-attack.
I would venture a cardiologist is more knowledgeable on the clinical signs of death vs. ND than either one of us, but if you're confident this life is all there is and there is no after life, good luck with that idea. As a believer in Jesus, I know I'm deeply loved and forgiven and my future is secure. If I'm wrong at life's end, I've lost nothing. In fact, I've gained tremendously by what you see as falsehood. If you find out you were wrong, the consequences of your convictions are costly.
an I would venture to guess that to really know what the brain is doing, you need to be neurologist. You know. BRAIN specialist. The heart is a completely different organ.
Also, Nice try with Pascal's Wager, but what about all of the other world religions and all the other gods. What if we're BOTH wrong. what if the Norse Gods are the right ones, or maybe Hindu. Your simply discounting everyone else and presenting a false dichotomy.
That's what normally happens when you have no oxygen in the brain. Also, I really would not ask a Cardiologist about brain patterns. The heart is not the brain.
At the same time, if I knew you and there was mutual respect, based on the terror you say you experienced, I'd choose not to give LSD a try. I'd be foolish to think that I would have a great experience with it. Perhaps you have to personally know someone who'd been to hell and back and see how their life was totally transformed as a result of reaching out for the mercy and grace God was ready to give. Chances are, though, you'd find a way to discount their story.
probably because there is no evidence they went anywhere. There is all sorts of evidence pointing to the oxygen depravation hypothesis. Take test pilots who, when in a simulator, went too fats and some oxygen left there brain. Do you know what they saw? The same thing NDE people saw. White light, terrifying things, the works.
You might be interested in the book To Hell and Back by Maurice Rawlings, M.D., and consider the testimonies of people who died and were resuscitated before you so quickly discount what Ray has to say.
Have a read... These folks awoke in terror, not wanting to return to what they had seen, begging the doctor, an atheist to help them pray the sinner's prayer. Disbelieving, he did, but the next time they died and returned to life, they were totally at peace. You've made assumptions about hallucinations...
Ray doesn't call you or anyone else these things, he just points out what the Bible says.
If you knew that someone was headed for a horrible fate and you cared, wouldn't you do everything you could do, wouldn't you say things that might even offend them to try to save them? That's all he's trying to do.
So if there is a God, (let's say) for your sake your also calling Him a terriosts? Hmm, that's like calling a judge in a court of law a terriost. What you going to say the judge, your just trying to scare people judge. Man wake up, if there was no law someone would have killed you along time ago. The law protects you. Grace and peace to you.
Your right everyone knew it already, cause it was on thier hearts. But the law came to judge the world because of lawlessness. Isn't that what a judge suppose to do is judge? I think so.
God wont judge you according to hitler but according to His standards. if a person murders one person they're a murderer. rape one person you're a rapist. there are varying degrees of hell. p.s. there's no such thing as atheists. just agnostics cause you dont know if there's a God. atheist just sounds more rebellious
you're not as smart as you think you. if you made the claim there is no gold in china, that means you have ALL knowledge of every tooth filling, watch & wedding ring.BUT, if i say there IS gold in china, all i need is one example and my claim is true. for you to say there is no God, you must possess all knowledge-which you dont. you are therefore an agnostic. one who doesnt know if there's a God. no such thing as an atheist. p.s. your foul mouth doesnt impress me since I was a foulmouthed sailor
if you knew 10% of everything in the whole universe, you would have a tremendous amount of knowledge. But that still leaves 90% that you do not have. Why can't God be in that 90% of the info you don't know nor have? you dont know if there's a God-therefore-agnostic
I'm going to explain this one more time. I never said that I either knew or didn't know if god exists. I just state I do not believe. So I am an agnostic atheist. Either way, your ancient book has so many holes.
Ray Comfort is saying these things, not on his opinions and authority, but Scripture's. You might as well cut to the chase and just say you believe God is a terrorist. But the thing is, you need God to even make that moral judgment, because He is eternally all good, the possibility for morality even exists.
DeamonCohln is an Errorist is the title of the video I'd make in reply to this one. That is if I felt like you actually had even a glimmer of a valid point in your video.
Let me know when you're going to engage your brain and actually make a valid point about Ray Comfort, or me. Until then just hush and give me my fries.
If there is no God, no heaven and no hell, then why are you bothered by Ray Comfort's point of view? If you are indeed an atheist, then his point of view should not bother you. What he is doing in that case is no different than what atheists are doing. The difference is that you scare people by telling them they'll never see their dead loved ones again. So that would make you a terrorist. Also Kirk Cameron believed before meeting Comfort, there was no brainwashing by Ray.
Nobody is forced to listen to him. They are free to walk away at any time, or to turn of his programs. Terrorist tell people 'you must believe as I do, or I will not leave you alone, I will continue to go after you until you are dead or you believe as I do'. Ray witnesses to people once, then he lets them leave and lets them live their life in peace. Ray does not force anyone to listen to him.
I almost forgot to address the second part of the second sentence you wrote. Why do you feel as if Christianity is a cult? It is not outside of the mainstream beliefs of the general population. If Ray's beliefs are irrational, then certainly someone like you could use a rational argument to prove something like there being no hell. Something rational convinced you that there is no God beyond a shadow of a doubt.
I know Ray Comfort. He is a liar. If God knows all that is to happen before it does and he is in control of all things then no one can lie, cheat, or kill on their own free will.
No one has free will if God has writen your life out ahead of time. Man can only have free will and be responsible of his actions if all actions by man are a suprize to god. But God is all knowing and thus illgical.
Hes only trying to plead with you and many other people to repent of SIN wich is everything oppisite of God, the fact is were all sinners just because you don't think it's fair that liars and thiefs and murders and blah blah blah sin is sin no matter how you slice it. By rights we should all go to hell, but thats why Jesus died with His back to the Cross, nails in his wrist, and mean while He did it for you because God loves you.
God is not about love but vengence. Jesus will only protect you from Gods holy wrath.
Though God knew all that is or was going to happen and yet did nothing to stop it. God created Satan knowing full well Satan would rebel from his rule, Why is it that even God cannot control his creations and prevent war in heaven?
God can control wars in Heaven. He also has a His own sovereign purposes for allowing Satan and other angels to fall. His greatest purpose is His glory, such as allowing those who were once tricked and doomed with Satan (redeemed sinners) to turn around and judge them.
His reason is to redeem us for Himself for His glory. Everything that has happened was planned before the world began and you were born. The cross was already thought of before you, He planned on this early on. Without an attorney so to speak your left to defend yourself insight of the Law, and that leaves you guilty and due justice to you.
What's interesting is you are attacking Ray, but really you are in opposition to ancient teaching year found throughout the Biblical text which says a murderer as well as all liars will end up at the same destination without Jesus Christ as their savior. Revelation 21:8 8But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."
If its not true then why would you tell people that they dont have to be scared? Is it because you know deep down that it is? The cops scare me!!! If I speed I get a citation does that make them the terroris?
A man gets the seal of condemnation when he sees the light and prefers darkness. see John 3:19. Sin is the trasgression of the law of God [1 John 3:4] thx for dialog.
Reality is that mankind has a disposition of sin.God nowhere holds a man responsible for having inherited this disposition of sin any more than he is held responsible for being born. What we are held responsible for is not allowing Jesus Christ to deliver you from the wrong disposition when you see that that is what Christ came to do.
He's doing a ripe shoddy job of it then, all these atheists running around, pointing out there is no evidence He exists, and the people speaking in His defense are straight-on pillocks like Comfort!
If I had to fill in the big G's performance report, it wouldn't look to good in the converting column (even though it would be mitigated by the sheer horror of the column of the atrocities He let happen on His watch)...
If you look upon Jesus Christ from the commonsense standpoint you will never discern who He is, but if you look upon Him as God [perfect] manifested in the flesh for the purpose of putting the whole human race back to where God designed it to be, you get the meaning of redemption!
It is never the sharing of personal experice that saves people, but the truth of redemption in Jesus . This perfect man,gave His perfect life,as a perfect sacrafice for the sin of the whole world.
Cohln, truth excludes that which is contrary. Ultimatly someone is wrong here. The bible says in John 14:6 that Jesus is the reality of all Gods promises, as the "Truth".
Ray's save points align with the Gospel of Luke 18:18-23 in the Bible. The rich man did not have a correct understanding of good. We must compare ourselves to God. So how do you compare yorself to God? By comparing yourself to the perfect representaion of God's character,the Ten Commandments.
The Bible says"Therefore,just as through one man sin entered the world....because all sinned." Romans 5:12 Fundamentally all man have a heredity of sin. This is a revelation fact. Do you believe that? Your sinning is a resault of your heredity of sin. Don't let your unbelief stand as a supreme barrier to Jesus Christ work in people's souls. Jesus came to seek and save that which is lost!
...You must do a study on the meaning of redemption..
when you look all around you and see so much evil, and you read the reports of global warming and all of the catastrophes it is causing, and you hear the reports of all the crime, war, violence, terrorism, racism, inflation and disease, do you feel that the (good) media are terrorists for telling you all of this, or do you appreciate the "heads up"? god is coming, man. we just want you to be prepared to meet him, thats all. what we are seeing has been written beforehand.
Your a liar and making false accusations about him (Nith commandment) unless you can provide evidence of what you just said. Where was your research on this claim done? I will wait for your response.
Dude, this is awesome. I know a little about Ray Comfort, and it's his desire that all who are unsaved would hear God's law so that their consciences would be pricked and that they would realize their need for a Savior.
And you, by playing the audio of Ray's teaching, are doing exactly what he would want to happen. I'll bet you if Ray knew about this video, that he would hope that you never take it down, because it shows God's law to people who need to hear it.
Uh, smart people will listen to it and realise he's batshit-crazy. You on the other hand, decided on a lobotomy apparently. Hope that goes well for ya.
perhaps your 'fear' comes from a deep down feeling that what Ray is saying is true? If what he is saying is complete rubbish why would you be afraid, just laugh it off!
I know one thing that Adam and eve ate only one fruit that disobeyed God's Commant they were cast out, so.... did Adam kill someone? yes he did! he killed God's Love.
I'm sorry, but I didn't hear you make any rebuttals to what Ray said. Have you never told a lie? If not, you aren't a liar. But if you have, then guess what? You *are* a liar! Are you going to argue with that? Try.
And yes, you will be punished at the same level as Hitler and mass murderers. This is because sin is sin is sin. The Bible specifically says that there are no little or big sins. Killing someone and telling a lie are both wrong, and wrong has to be punished by right.
God is so good that most everyone is going to go to hell. Apparently most people aren't christian and a lot of christians say that not everyone professing to be christian is saved... seems hard for me to believe in such a deity and consider it to be omnibenevolent. Why don't we have 100% christianity if it's correct? Why would God allow such an uncertainty in such an important topic?
2point7etc 1 year ago
google Doe's Account.
seekfears 1 year ago
I wonder whether the point has been missed of what Mr Comfort is saying?
Ray Comfort may or may not be doing the right thing through this ministry but he does raise some interesting points and what if it were true?
What if God does exist and loves everyone?
What if God actually did create everything?
What if God established the Law?
sargfish 1 year ago
What if that Law was not a system of rules but just the way of things?
As in the "Law of Gravity" just simply is.
As in you let go of something heavier than the air around it and it falls to the ground.
What if God's Law actually exists? What if God doesn't have a hierarchy of Sin? as in one sin is as much as all the sins. What if Sin isn't about individual actions but a state of being?
sargfish 1 year ago
Perhaps we could all think about that instead of being closed minded?
What if we are all Sinners because we choose to try to be gods ourselves and want to ignore the God? Sorry that you may be offended but actually thats also in the Bible. God offends people all the time.
sargfish 1 year ago
Christ's message is offensive to the proud. But there is hope in Jesus because none of us can be good enough to be right with God. I suspect that if we all died today thats when we will know for sure. But perhaps it will be too late by then? The great thing is that whatever anyone says, whatever I say, whatever Ray Comfort says, we all still have a choice to believe whatever we want and perhaps thats why we should let Ray be.
sargfish 1 year ago
If he is lying for sure, one day we will all know but if anything he says is true.... would it not be a good idea to investigate it a bit more instead of automatically assuming you have all the answers? what if you don't?
sargfish 1 year ago
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DaveD5929 1 year ago
You may want to correct the misspelled word and poor grammar in your video if you wish to have better credibility.
'Theif'
'I don't know will'
'gonna be able to say'
'looked at a women'
Fortunately, 'thou shalt not misspell or use bad grammar' is not the 11th commandment....
LOL
peace....
DaveD5929 1 year ago
You say, " so because I looked at a women and felt lust would make me an adulterer"
No you would not be. it is what you did with that lust. You violated that woman in your mind. You thought of what you would like to do to her. That is the sin. You acted on the temptation with your mind and violated her. She could be someones wife, and you violated her in your mind. God calls that sin and wicked.
Eldoor 2 years ago
Oh, wow, Yet it never happened, you can't penalize someone for what they think. You would make an excellent spokesman for big brother.
slicingwater 2 years ago
Ever read the bible there bud. God does judge the desires of the heart and finds all who lust in thier mind guilty. So yes you did not do the act openly but in your imagination. God still sees and finds you guilty. We are not talking human standards but God's and God sees all
Eldoor 2 years ago
ray comfort is all that is wrong with this country
TaNgLeD2121 2 years ago
the world
tyler1257 2 years ago
God is NOT just. Prevention is superior to punishment on all accounts. If he was just he wouldn't allow rapists, murderers, etc. to even exist if he had the power to get rid of them. He wouldn't just let them do all that shit and then put them in hell after the damage had already been done. That solves NOTHING. Fuck god, I've seen more justice in a Charles Brohnson movie.
338dmac 2 years ago
"his holy name". Oh please, so certain sequences of air vibrations are holy now? What a crock of shit, words are words.
338dmac 2 years ago
Ray never accuses anyone of anything, he only asks the questions that expose the truth. I see a lot of people accusing him though. As for him being a terrorist...
2Co 5:11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
Tylenol82 2 years ago
Funny how Xtians spend their time accusing, accusing, accusing. Isn't that Satan's job?
jk012boo2 2 years ago
Absolutely not! Satan's job is to allow a person to believe they're doing just fine, just fine- in that person's path to destruction. CS Lewis' "The Screwtape Letters" has a great perspective on this. Have a great day!
SaySamuel 2 years ago
Oh brother. I snapped out of the Christian-trance when I realised it's all about hype and selling. First, you tell somebody they need something, then you tell them how to get it. No wonder it works so well!
"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain..." ;)
jk012boo2 2 years ago
If it's 'selling' that you're worried about, you can get 'The Screwtape Letters' at most libraries. The gift of God's salvation is free...too many people just confuse the term free with cheap.
SaySamuel 2 years ago
Don't terrorists generally kill people? I wasn't aware that Ray Comfort killed people.
It doesn't seem that you are are all that frightened.
rtmascioli 2 years ago
By the philosophy of Jesus, I am equal to Hitler, that is a FACT. All Ray(Jesus) is saying is nobody is perfect. This philosophy is very similar to Socrates Ring of Gyges, which I would be a murdering bank robber :). Both philosophies point out that NOBODY is a good person.
fearclowns 2 years ago
Rubbish.You're conveniently leaving out what standard you are using as comparison.
Divine Standard is perfect, so yes we are no better than hitler in that we are all criminals by this perfect standard. But God accepts this, and has a plan to bring us to perfection.
Human Standard is flawed, and we develop our morality based on cultural standards. Those who turn their back on those standards we can safely say are criminal in the moral sense. Hitler was such a criminal. I am not.
CONTEXT!
havock89 2 years ago
You're operating under the assumption that such a "divine standard" exists in the first place, when we have seen no example of any such thing. And it's not "turning your back" on something if you DON'T EVEN BELIEVE IT.
338dmac 2 years ago
OK, you seem to have missed the point of the previous comment. We are talking about our theological understanding of Christ Jesus' morality, so as True God and True Man He has two natures one human and one divine. They co-exist without mixing, confusion or separation or division. That is the only context with which I am talking about Jesus, and yes this assumes his divinity is real.
havock89 2 years ago
Left out a standard? Jesus philosophy is a standard of morality, so is the Ring of Gyges is a standard. Both prove we are evil.
The Ring of Gyges is all about human standards of morality. The Ring proves we all future criminals. The only difference from Hitler and Havock89 is that Hitler had lots of power. Hitler was a lot like any human before power.
Nobody is good, and that was the point of the comment. I do not feel it was "rubbish" pointing out that we all are evil?
fearclowns 2 years ago
There you would be wrong.
Hitler embraced his own concept of morality and ethics. I do not rely on my own morality and ethics, but the orthodix catholic church of Christ, which has been given authority to teach and to tend its willing members.
Hitler was not willing, he was led by his false egotism, and separated himself from the source of all goodness. I am still in a state of grace with my Lord.
havock89 2 years ago
havock89, sorry for late response. dismissing what I say as "wrong" or "rubbish", seems very closed minded. My last comment was all about nobody is "good" and your response is "wrong". I used the ring of gyges as my example. However I do enjoy the philosophy of Jesus equally as well. if I remember correctly, Matthew 19, mark 10, luke 18, Jesus said NOBODY was "good", not even Christ. Hitler thought he was doing good. Compare the crimes of religion to the crimes of hitler, which is better?
fearclowns 2 years ago
Sorry. I think I have responded to the wrong person. I have to rush off now. But I will respond more appropriately at another time.
Honest mistake *bow*
havock89 2 years ago
Havock89, when Adam and Eve ate the apple they were able understand what is right and wrong. You are wasting that gift when you decided to follow the morals and ethics of an organized religion or a book.
You make it sound that becoming a freethinker will take you away from "goodness." If you were alive during the inquisitions would you still be a follower of the church or standing up against them?
I think the biggest problem with humans is they do not think for themselves.
fearclowns 2 years ago
Once again an ill-educated person is commenting on a teaching they dont understand and summarily passing judgement on it!
The apple represents man's rebellion from God. Instead of relying on God who is the author of all things. All knowledge and rationality comes from him. He is the source of being and truth. Mankind decides he wants to go it alone. Separating himself from God, which perverts the common grace given to man which led to suffering and death, we all "enjoy".
Freethinkers? lol
havock89 2 years ago
Havorick, ill-educated? I have mentioned how nobody is good and even quoted Jesus, and you told me I was "wrong", "rubbish". You keep disagreeing with me and all I am doing is educating you about the philosophy of Christ.
I guess educating me that the apple was rebellion against God was more important (of course silly I think even the most ill-educated knows that). That does not change the fact that knowledge is a gift. A gift that came with a price of death, but nevertheless a gift. Use it.
fearclowns 2 years ago
Our rationality is the gift. Using our rationlaty to make ourselves "like God" was what happened when we ate the apple. It was the rebellion not the "magic apple" that is important. Mans will moved away from god by means of the misuse of the free will he gave us.
Use your brain god gave you to realise the error you are making and repent of it
havock89 2 years ago
That just doesn't make sense, you assume things we know are from god. Yet for sometime now we didn't know the colors of dinosaurs, now we know the colors of a few how did we get that knowledge through god, or good hard work and science. If you say god then you really are something.
slicingwater 2 years ago
The christian premise is that God sustains everything while trandscending eveything. In the eucharistic mass it is expressed by the blessing Called the Doxology. "Through Him, With Him, In Him, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, all glory and honour is yourse Almighty Father, for ever and ever, amen."
All religions apply nature to fill the void in their souls in search of God. Christinaity is unique in having found God, it uses all nature to praise and remind us of our gratuity towards Him.
havock89 2 years ago
So all of nature is ascociated with god, is that what your saying and were all supposed to praise him for something to him you think is a miracle in itself. So despite 99% percent of the species that lived on planet earth, and the fact that this planet will last another 5 billion years, long before the universe ends. And that all weather patterns can be explained by scientist your going to attribute nature to your god.
slicingwater 2 years ago
What does proximal causation have to do with teleological causation? What does the how, have to do with the why? Why reference the physical in a conversation about the spiritual?
explain to me why life wants to live?
havock89 2 years ago
I don't know maybe becuase it violates the laws of nature. Your talking about something that can't happen and pretending it can. You are also ignoring things humans have accomplished like Highspeed bullet trains, super conductors.
slicingwater 2 years ago
As to you being equal to hitler. Let me explain again. Christ Jesus was true man and true God. He had two natures and two wills that functioned in union without conflict.
By the Godheads standards we are indeed all equally guilty, but as Christ is the intercessor between man and our Heavenly Father, having shared our humanity with us, he has pity on us, and shows us patience and mercy. We are justified by our commitment to "metanoia" to change our mentality and embrace his Holy nature.
havock89 2 years ago
religion is about control.
it is almost ironic that this guy's name is comfort...he offers no comfort at all.
he offers condemnation.
that's it: ray condemnation.
i've had enough of this hell business.
peace....and mostly to the mislead comfort.
cliffordchesney 2 years ago 2
A terrorist is someone who "criminally" terrifies someone. If you are warning someone of an evil, that is not a criminal act, and if you refuse to tell someone of the impending doom, you are guilty of that doom by inaction.
Pathetic argument.
havock89 2 years ago
It IS criminal to use fear as a means of converting others to a certain belief system. YOU are doing it right now with your "guilty of doom by inaction" bullshit. To claim that hell exists just to convince other people to adhere to your worldview is terrorism. You seriousy have no idea how much you sound like a Taliban cleric, do you?
338dmac 2 years ago
Man, you are one moral idiot.
The taliban only want human-styled power and an enforced hegemony over the world. There is no choice involved, no free will to choose your own path, even if (as in your case) it leads you off a cliff-top.
If you dont accept the concept of a creator who sustains our very esence & existence made us for the purpose of becoming like him so that that essence and exitence could exist with him in eternity. thats your business,
Be mature about it, stop whinning.
havock89 2 years ago
In your eyes, there IS STILL no choice involved; you're damned if you don't believe, and people like Ray try to scare people into believing it. You can't just use the excuse of "oh, well it's not like that cuz heaven and hell are real so none of that applies", that's a retarded unsubstantiated cop-out that is used when you lack a defensible argument. You even use the word "accept" instead of "believe in", like it's some proven fact or something.
"Be mature about it, stop whining."
338dmac 2 years ago
Actually we can still believe and be damned. There are no guarantees. God will save us if He can. If our nature makes us incompatible for our spiritual union with God, there is no choice but to be resigned to an insane,hateful and hopeless existence for the rest of time. When this universe ends, then you die the second death. Which is what atheists believe is our natural end in anycase.
It's tested and proven to my standards yes.
havock89 2 years ago
Tested and proven to YOUR standards? Your HUMAN standards? rolleyes...
Bottom line is, they're saying that if you don't adhere to beliefs A, B, C and D then you're going to be punished for it in some terrible way. THAT, my friend, is terrorism. We can argue about what's supposedly required to avoid said punishment all day, but that's not even the core issue, so why bother?
338dmac 2 years ago
Terrorism cannot reasonably be applied to anything that will happen after death, if you dont believe in an afterlife.
The way you are using the term punishment is not correct when applied to christianity.
It is not punishment to drive yourself off a cliff. You consign yourself to hell, and people consign themselves to hell on this side of the veil (in this life) as well.
To be honest I dont think you have even a basic grasp on these theological concepts, from what I have heard.
havock89 2 years ago
I am curious about your "theological concepts", Havock89. Do you call yourself a Christian? Would you call yourself good? Would you call Jesus good?
fearclowns 2 years ago
If the truth scares you, that's your own problem.
boogalice 2 years ago
there's is different levels of punishment in hell and everyone will die one day, and God does not want us to go to hell but we have free will, and everyone is a sinner its in our nature,when you die you either go to heaven or hell there is no in between.One day we will die on this earth but our soul will live forever in heaven or hell you choose.....and now you will have no excuse on judgement day. if you have questions ask and God bless
famolina07 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
I just had a look at the Amazon previews
of Ray Comfort's new book
You Can Lead an Atheist to Evidence, But You Can't Make Him Think.
Have a look; you won't believe your eyes!
Comfort thinks that according to evolution,
man and woman evolved separately but simultaneously,
water evolved just in time for them to drink it,
and that gravity evolved just in time to hold them to the earth!
It's really the most astounding drivel I've ever seen.
Have a look!
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
Thank God for preachers like Ray Comfort who tell it like it is.If you don't fear God,thats on you.On Judgment Day,no matter how many sins you've committed,if you never repented from them and accepted God's awesome Gift of eternal life,then you WILL burn in hell.Heaven is God's House,and He will not allow proud sinners to enter His Home..Revelation 21:8
rharrison74 2 years ago
He does not tellit like it is...in fact he has no proof of what he says. But i agree manipulation is pretty easy to do on people.
sandroeleven 2 years ago
Ok, I dont belive in a god, I dont belive in a ultimate meaning, why worry whats going to happen after you die? how is that going to help you live a better life. The other thing is that because of "faith" you loose all sence of autonomy, thats the abelity to think for your self and use deductive reasoning skills to figure out how things work. I use the Proximate Meaning, I use the abservation of nature, I use science.
pbrskater26 2 years ago
So when did Osama first employ you as his Minister of Propaganda? Does he pay well? Do you get dental?
ROLLEYES...
338dmac 2 years ago
I'm not scared... I think this guy is a dumbfuck.. but whatever. At least out secular nation permits this freedom.
fuzzywuzzy18 3 years ago
If what you see scares or terrorizes you it may be for a reason. I would apparently be called a terrorist for running screaming toward your child playing on a busy road, because it frightens him and upsets you. I try to save your child from a danger that exists whether you or he believe it to be real or not. Truth is truth, popular or not. Seek it earnestly, and you will find it. What Christ did to save us is true. Heaven & Hell exist. Thankfully there are brave people to warn of the danger.
SaySamuel 3 years ago
Well it would be nice if he'd actually PROVE heaven and hell existed instead of trying to scare us into believeing it, thus making him a TERRORIST. Brave? No, manipulative is more like it. As George Carlin said, "The nerve o' these pricks!".
338dmac 2 years ago
Thanks for your response! I just wanted to say that if youre just waiting for someone to prove heaven & hells existence to you, Im sorry, I dont think its possible until youre on your way. At least, in the way you define prove. If there was absolute proof everyone who did not believe could see, touch, feel and smell theyd still find a way to deny. Man loves himself and his own desires too much. People in Jesus day saw His miracles, and He was still denied.
SaySamuel 2 years ago
Once a person sees the truth, it becomes impossible to un-see. For those who dont believe, there seems to be kind of a veil that falls over their eyes that inhibits them from seeing truth, beauty, divine design, and even miracles that occur every day. As time progresses, this veil seems to become thicker.
SaySamuel 2 years ago
The manipulation you accuse Comfort of only exists if he personally has something to gain. You could say Im trying to manipulate you, except I couldnt present to you anything I would have to gain that you could possibly understand. I only know there was a time that I, though I could never ignorantly deny the existence of a God, not only did not follow Him, but turned my back and ran the other direction.
SaySamuel 2 years ago
Years later when I did discover and embraced His love and truth, my heart began to ache for non-believers and those who were like me. So I do gain something when someone comes closer to seeing the truth or embracing the gift of salvation, even if it is just an intense moment of joy. Those are truly hard to find in this world today.
SaySamuel 2 years ago
So, though I have nothing to gain by it, know that I and others like me do care about you. I am not judging you, accusing you, or hating you. I apologize for those who have wronged you while having Gods name on their lips, but not truly in their hearts. One piece of advice Ive always held onto is: Never let a Christians bad example stand between you and God.
SaySamuel 2 years ago
In my mind, the only difference between a true Christian and non-Christians is that a true Christian knows how screwed up and in trouble he/she is and how much they need a Savior. But Jesus speaks of the narrow path that leads to life that few will find, and even some who call themselves Christians are in danger of missing this path:
SaySamuel 2 years ago
those in danger are the ones who are not following what He stated were the 2 most important Commandments: Love God with all your mind, heart, & soul and love your neighbor as yourself. It doesn't matter who the person is or what he/she calls themselves. If they don't follow these commands, they are not following Jesus. I do sincerely wish the best for you and your family. Keep earnestly seeking the truth, my friend, and you will find it.
SaySamuel 2 years ago
Yeah, you didn't prove ANYthing, so......
338dmac 2 years ago
That's cool...I'm not out to prove anything. Neither is God. Hope you have as good of life as you can. Take care!
SaySamuel 2 years ago
@Deamon
You don't have to be afraid of Hell and Ultimate Condemnation. That's what Jesus is for. He redeemed you of your sins.
That is of course if your willing to accept that.
nygrow8 3 years ago
(notice I said if b4) u c a "stop" sign an kno someone created it, u c the pyramids an kno someone created them eventho u werent there. U cant have a cell w/o dna or dna w/o a cell. every cell in ur body is more complex than a super computer but yet u believ life came from an explosion. Life is not random, u can c God in all of His creation but yet ur the 1 that has FAITH that complex life is n accident. Have u ever seen non living matter become living matter thats what had 2 happen in ur theory
mhkemp30 3 years ago
U want God 2 come and fix the problems in this world and He will, but ur blessed that He hasnt yet bcuz that would mean judgement on u and punishment for the sins u comitted. But like I said ur blessed bcuz as long as your breathing u have a chance to get right with God. But then again there is nothing 2 fix in ur oppinion cuz sin is a man made idea, and there is no God so every 1 is the god of there own world & they can do what they want(rape,murder,lie) & who r u 2 say they cant! or its wrong!
mhkemp30 3 years ago
Learn to spell, then come back.
DeamonCohln 3 years ago
stupid comment
sandroeleven 2 years ago
If there is no God then there is no you. Your just a random collection molecules no different than a rock and everything you do and say is random. You have no soul and you cant control your own thoughts because molecules dont have thoughts or reason.(thats science) But you know thats not true, you know you think, feel love, hate and want justice and those things cant be measured scientifically. Your not just random molecules. Your a soul with a conscience and a body and free will to reject God!
mhkemp30 3 years ago
Random? No. If it was random there would be no you. The structure of DNA, the processes of stellar formation. Natural selection. All of it is very order and follows laws. Where is God? If he exists, he wouldn't be a prick nd hide away and only come out in small things. If he won't show himself, how are we to know he exists.
DeamonCohln 3 years ago
There's different degrees of persecution. It's not only limited to the Middle East and some Southeast Asian countries.
I don't think people should be attacked for not believing in Christianity. I'm an Evangelical Christian and I don't attack people for their unbelief. It's a waste of time.
mlfrass 3 years ago
What sort of persecution are you talking about then? I'm really not seeing it.
DeamonCohln 3 years ago
I believe this is the only life we have, too.
I think science has made the world a better place. Unfortunately - I don't think people are going to stop pushing their own agendas, everyone wants to be the winner...it's all about "me"....and not just in this country.
I think we should stop attacking each other because we have different books stating different things. Christianity is offensive...the message of the Cross offends people. That's why Christians are persecuted.
What do you think?
mlfrass 3 years ago
Competition breed progress, and unfortunately, some people get left behind. One day we may solve that problem.
I am skeptical of the "Christian Persecution" thing. Christianity is the major religion of the Western world. Only in the Middle East and some Southeast Asian countries where Islam is prominent is where I will give you the persecution thing.
As for the offensive claim. I'm only offended when Christian's attack us for not believing in it. If it didn't happen, I wouldn't be here.
DeamonCohln 3 years ago
Yes, I believe he will...I don't know when that will be, but - it seems to me we can't go on this path forever. What is it exactly that you believe in?
mlfrass 3 years ago
I believe this is the only life we have and we shouldn't waste it in trying to please some magical sky fairy we can't see. I believe we should use science to make the world a better place for the next generation. I think we should stop attacking each other because we have different books stating different things. Essentially, stop being dicks and telling people how to live their lives.
DeamonCohln 3 years ago
You're looking at what he's saying from our legal system's perspective..as if you're in a court of law. In the eyes of our law someone who commits murder or rape is worse than a thief, I believe that too... - but - he's not talking about that. He's talking about God's perspective...in God's eyes sin is sin. There are no small sins to God. Sin is sin. Period. That was a shock to me when I realized that's the difference. Listening to what Ray says from that perspective changes it. Maranatha.
mlfrass 3 years ago
There is no god. Sin is a man-made concept created to control humankind.
DeamonCohln 3 years ago
It's not working so well, is it?
mlfrass 3 years ago
Exactly. If there was a all-knowing, all-powerful god, wouldn't he come down here and stop all this shit? Or is he just an incompetent prick who can't keep his creation in line?
DeamonCohln 3 years ago
They all have an afterlife and places of good or evil. There's no point in a logical argument because it's endless point/counterpoint. My life has been transformed by a God who declares Godself to be holy, just, and true, yet merciful and love itself. Archaeology and history confirm the people and the places of the Bible and no other god I know is LIVING, has transformed countless people from the inside out,and who works good through them.
svonf 3 years ago
Then please, do us all a favor and shut the fuck up and keep your religion to yourself. If people did that, then this video would not exist, but when you come attacking atheists like Ray has, expect a counter-attack.
DeamonCohln 3 years ago
I would venture a cardiologist is more knowledgeable on the clinical signs of death vs. ND than either one of us, but if you're confident this life is all there is and there is no after life, good luck with that idea. As a believer in Jesus, I know I'm deeply loved and forgiven and my future is secure. If I'm wrong at life's end, I've lost nothing. In fact, I've gained tremendously by what you see as falsehood. If you find out you were wrong, the consequences of your convictions are costly.
svonf 3 years ago
an I would venture to guess that to really know what the brain is doing, you need to be neurologist. You know. BRAIN specialist. The heart is a completely different organ.
Also, Nice try with Pascal's Wager, but what about all of the other world religions and all the other gods. What if we're BOTH wrong. what if the Norse Gods are the right ones, or maybe Hindu. Your simply discounting everyone else and presenting a false dichotomy.
DeamonCohln 3 years ago
Right. This cardiologist says the difference is that these weren't NDE... They were DE. People clinically dead, no brain waves.
svonf 3 years ago
That's what normally happens when you have no oxygen in the brain. Also, I really would not ask a Cardiologist about brain patterns. The heart is not the brain.
DeamonCohln 3 years ago
At the same time, if I knew you and there was mutual respect, based on the terror you say you experienced, I'd choose not to give LSD a try. I'd be foolish to think that I would have a great experience with it. Perhaps you have to personally know someone who'd been to hell and back and see how their life was totally transformed as a result of reaching out for the mercy and grace God was ready to give. Chances are, though, you'd find a way to discount their story.
svonf 3 years ago
probably because there is no evidence they went anywhere. There is all sorts of evidence pointing to the oxygen depravation hypothesis. Take test pilots who, when in a simulator, went too fats and some oxygen left there brain. Do you know what they saw? The same thing NDE people saw. White light, terrifying things, the works.
DeamonCohln 3 years ago
I never took LSD, so I don't believe that was your experience. There's no hard evidence. It's just an anecdotal comment, isn't it!
svonf 3 years ago
Wow. You got the point. Awesome.
DeamonCohln 3 years ago
You might be interested in the book To Hell and Back by Maurice Rawlings, M.D., and consider the testimonies of people who died and were resuscitated before you so quickly discount what Ray has to say.
svonf 3 years ago
what do hallucinations caused by oxygen deprivation in the brain have to do with this?
DeamonCohln 3 years ago
Have a read... These folks awoke in terror, not wanting to return to what they had seen, begging the doctor, an atheist to help them pray the sinner's prayer. Disbelieving, he did, but the next time they died and returned to life, they were totally at peace. You've made assumptions about hallucinations...
svonf 3 years ago
I took LSD and thought I saw demon trees trying to attack me. To this day I hate trees. Evidence and anecdote does not make.
DeamonCohln 3 years ago
Ray doesn't call you or anyone else these things, he just points out what the Bible says.
If you knew that someone was headed for a horrible fate and you cared, wouldn't you do everything you could do, wouldn't you say things that might even offend them to try to save them? That's all he's trying to do.
stumped4username 3 years ago
Saving me by dragging people into a cult of superstition and fear. Sure. Great guy.
DeamonCohln 3 years ago
So if there is a God, (let's say) for your sake your also calling Him a terriosts? Hmm, that's like calling a judge in a court of law a terriost. What you going to say the judge, your just trying to scare people judge. Man wake up, if there was no law someone would have killed you along time ago. The law protects you. Grace and peace to you.
Shoots1978 3 years ago
laws existed before your religion. Also, I would like to see the judge that is doing the judging.
DeamonCohln 3 years ago
Your right everyone knew it already, cause it was on thier hearts. But the law came to judge the world because of lawlessness. Isn't that what a judge suppose to do is judge? I think so.
Shoots1978 3 years ago
God wont judge you according to hitler but according to His standards. if a person murders one person they're a murderer. rape one person you're a rapist. there are varying degrees of hell. p.s. there's no such thing as atheists. just agnostics cause you dont know if there's a God. atheist just sounds more rebellious
filoIII 3 years ago
Atheist : One who does not believe in a deity or deity.
I think that fits dumbshit.
DeamonCohln 3 years ago
you're not as smart as you think you. if you made the claim there is no gold in china, that means you have ALL knowledge of every tooth filling, watch & wedding ring.BUT, if i say there IS gold in china, all i need is one example and my claim is true. for you to say there is no God, you must possess all knowledge-which you dont. you are therefore an agnostic. one who doesnt know if there's a God. no such thing as an atheist. p.s. your foul mouth doesnt impress me since I was a foulmouthed sailor
filoIII 3 years ago
Don't matter. I don't believe. I never said anything about knowledge. I don't believe in god, therefore, atheist.
DeamonCohln 3 years ago
if you knew 10% of everything in the whole universe, you would have a tremendous amount of knowledge. But that still leaves 90% that you do not have. Why can't God be in that 90% of the info you don't know nor have? you dont know if there's a God-therefore-agnostic
filoIII 3 years ago
I'm going to explain this one more time. I never said that I either knew or didn't know if god exists. I just state I do not believe. So I am an agnostic atheist. Either way, your ancient book has so many holes.
DeamonCohln 3 years ago
i'll bite. what holes? what so-called contradiction are you gonna throw out that hasnt been soundly explained before?
filoIII 3 years ago
Who was the governor in Rome who ordered the census that caused Jesus' supposed flight to Egypt?
DeamonCohln 3 years ago
Cyrenius ????? or do you mean emperor of rome Caesar Augustus?
filoIII 3 years ago
he doesnt call anyone anything. people admit to these claims
filoIII 3 years ago
Ray Comfort is saying these things, not on his opinions and authority, but Scripture's. You might as well cut to the chase and just say you believe God is a terrorist. But the thing is, you need God to even make that moral judgment, because He is eternally all good, the possibility for morality even exists.
solaphyde 3 years ago
You do realize of course that by putting sound bites from Ray's speaking, you are perpetuating the Gospel. Glory be to God!
Richelley73 3 years ago
DeamonCohln is an Errorist is the title of the video I'd make in reply to this one. That is if I felt like you actually had even a glimmer of a valid point in your video.
poeboy2 3 years ago
Then STFU AND GTFO
DeamonCohln 3 years ago
Wow, what a come back. You're so brilliant, I've never heard those terms before. How original!
poeboy2 3 years ago
Forced sarcasm is forced. GTFO my comments newfag.
DeamonCohln 3 years ago
Let me know when you're going to engage your brain and actually make a valid point about Ray Comfort, or me. Until then just hush and give me my fries.
poeboy2 3 years ago
You never gave me anything to go against. All you said was I had no points, yet they are there, thus I have nothing to rebut to.
DeamonCohln 3 years ago
If there is no God, no heaven and no hell, then why are you bothered by Ray Comfort's point of view? If you are indeed an atheist, then his point of view should not bother you. What he is doing in that case is no different than what atheists are doing. The difference is that you scare people by telling them they'll never see their dead loved ones again. So that would make you a terrorist. Also Kirk Cameron believed before meeting Comfort, there was no brainwashing by Ray.
poeboy2 3 years ago
I'm bothered by it is because he rams it down the throats of non-believers. He is using the fear of an irrational hell to scare people into his cult.
DeamonCohln 3 years ago
Nobody is forced to listen to him. They are free to walk away at any time, or to turn of his programs. Terrorist tell people 'you must believe as I do, or I will not leave you alone, I will continue to go after you until you are dead or you believe as I do'. Ray witnesses to people once, then he lets them leave and lets them live their life in peace. Ray does not force anyone to listen to him.
poeboy2 3 years ago 2
I almost forgot to address the second part of the second sentence you wrote. Why do you feel as if Christianity is a cult? It is not outside of the mainstream beliefs of the general population. If Ray's beliefs are irrational, then certainly someone like you could use a rational argument to prove something like there being no hell. Something rational convinced you that there is no God beyond a shadow of a doubt.
poeboy2 3 years ago
I know Ray Comfort. He is a liar. If God knows all that is to happen before it does and he is in control of all things then no one can lie, cheat, or kill on their own free will.
No one has free will if God has writen your life out ahead of time. Man can only have free will and be responsible of his actions if all actions by man are a suprize to god. But God is all knowing and thus illgical.
And unreal things cannot exist!
kapitankartoon 3 years ago
You exist and from what you've said I'd say that you're pretty unreal.
poeboy2 3 years ago
It's fun to call people terrorists.
Cops, parents, teachers, security guards, priests, environmentalists, tax collectors.
The war on terrorism needs to be seriously rethought.
ManBearPiglet 3 years ago
Why doesn't this work with good acts? "Have you ever given a dollar to a homeless person? Then you're a philanthropist!"
nightflight83 3 years ago 2
Maybe you should think about what this guy is really saying??? What if he if right!!
mindypoos22 3 years ago
Hes only trying to plead with you and many other people to repent of SIN wich is everything oppisite of God, the fact is were all sinners just because you don't think it's fair that liars and thiefs and murders and blah blah blah sin is sin no matter how you slice it. By rights we should all go to hell, but thats why Jesus died with His back to the Cross, nails in his wrist, and mean while He did it for you because God loves you.
dakotatex22 3 years ago
God is not about love but vengence. Jesus will only protect you from Gods holy wrath.
Though God knew all that is or was going to happen and yet did nothing to stop it. God created Satan knowing full well Satan would rebel from his rule, Why is it that even God cannot control his creations and prevent war in heaven?
kapitankartoon 3 years ago
God can control wars in Heaven. He also has a His own sovereign purposes for allowing Satan and other angels to fall. His greatest purpose is His glory, such as allowing those who were once tricked and doomed with Satan (redeemed sinners) to turn around and judge them.
solaphyde 3 years ago
His reason is to redeem us for Himself for His glory. Everything that has happened was planned before the world began and you were born. The cross was already thought of before you, He planned on this early on. Without an attorney so to speak your left to defend yourself insight of the Law, and that leaves you guilty and due justice to you.
Shoots1978 3 years ago
Are you Jewish or have Jewish relo's?
steveascension 3 years ago
What's interesting is you are attacking Ray, but really you are in opposition to ancient teaching year found throughout the Biblical text which says a murderer as well as all liars will end up at the same destination without Jesus Christ as their savior. Revelation 21:8 8But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."
BattleCry4Him 3 years ago
SEE! Someone gets it!
DeamonCohln 3 years ago
If its not true then why would you tell people that they dont have to be scared? Is it because you know deep down that it is? The cops scare me!!! If I speed I get a citation does that make them the terroris?
URGODISNOWHERE 3 years ago
by definition, yes, watch my response for a better explanation.
DeamonCohln 3 years ago
A man gets the seal of condemnation when he sees the light and prefers darkness. see John 3:19. Sin is the trasgression of the law of God [1 John 3:4] thx for dialog.
notverygoood 3 years ago
Reality is that mankind has a disposition of sin.God nowhere holds a man responsible for having inherited this disposition of sin any more than he is held responsible for being born. What we are held responsible for is not allowing Jesus Christ to deliver you from the wrong disposition when you see that that is what Christ came to do.
notverygoood 3 years ago
There is no God, sin is an invention of man. Your not going to convert me with these arguments.
DeamonCohln 3 years ago
We don't do the coverting anyways, only GOD alone can do the converting.
rrcmjf 3 years ago
He's doing a ripe shoddy job of it then, all these atheists running around, pointing out there is no evidence He exists, and the people speaking in His defense are straight-on pillocks like Comfort!
If I had to fill in the big G's performance report, it wouldn't look to good in the converting column (even though it would be mitigated by the sheer horror of the column of the atrocities He let happen on His watch)...
Cafeeine 3 years ago
If you look upon Jesus Christ from the commonsense standpoint you will never discern who He is, but if you look upon Him as God [perfect] manifested in the flesh for the purpose of putting the whole human race back to where God designed it to be, you get the meaning of redemption!
notverygoood 3 years ago
No thanks. Reality's working out good for me.
DeamonCohln 3 years ago
It is never the sharing of personal experice that saves people, but the truth of redemption in Jesus . This perfect man,gave His perfect life,as a perfect sacrafice for the sin of the whole world.
notverygoood 3 years ago
How do we know he's perfect?
DeamonCohln 3 years ago
Cohln, truth excludes that which is contrary. Ultimatly someone is wrong here. The bible says in John 14:6 that Jesus is the reality of all Gods promises, as the "Truth".
notverygoood 3 years ago
So a ancient book says that this one guy is perfect? What other evidence is there?
DeamonCohln 3 years ago
hello cohln how is the bible study going?
notverygoood 3 years ago
Ray's save points align with the Gospel of Luke 18:18-23 in the Bible. The rich man did not have a correct understanding of good. We must compare ourselves to God. So how do you compare yorself to God? By comparing yourself to the perfect representaion of God's character,the Ten Commandments.
notverygoood 3 years ago
I'm looking in my bible now. I keep hitting Triangle but it won't let me save. Should I call tech support?
DeamonCohln 3 years ago
seek and save!
notverygoood 3 years ago
You can't find those save points in Final Fantasy either?
I knew I wasn't the only one.
DeamonCohln 3 years ago
The Bible says"Therefore,just as through one man sin entered the world....because all sinned." Romans 5:12 Fundamentally all man have a heredity of sin. This is a revelation fact. Do you believe that? Your sinning is a resault of your heredity of sin. Don't let your unbelief stand as a supreme barrier to Jesus Christ work in people's souls. Jesus came to seek and save that which is lost!
...You must do a study on the meaning of redemption..
notverygoood 3 years ago
when you look all around you and see so much evil, and you read the reports of global warming and all of the catastrophes it is causing, and you hear the reports of all the crime, war, violence, terrorism, racism, inflation and disease, do you feel that the (good) media are terrorists for telling you all of this, or do you appreciate the "heads up"? god is coming, man. we just want you to be prepared to meet him, thats all. what we are seeing has been written beforehand.
revlooshin1 4 years ago
ray is the opposite of a terrorist, he is trying to save you from your own sin and your own trip to hell.
andybmfc 4 years ago
The guy is a fucking mooch. All he does with his cash cow "way of the bastard" is mooch church goers for money.
th3w01fv2 4 years ago
Your a liar and making false accusations about him (Nith commandment) unless you can provide evidence of what you just said. Where was your research on this claim done? I will wait for your response.
freespeachrulez 4 years ago
The guy is a fucking mooch. All he does with his cash cow "way of the bastard" is mooch church goers for money.
th3w01fv2 4 years ago
Dude, this is awesome. I know a little about Ray Comfort, and it's his desire that all who are unsaved would hear God's law so that their consciences would be pricked and that they would realize their need for a Savior.
And you, by playing the audio of Ray's teaching, are doing exactly what he would want to happen. I'll bet you if Ray knew about this video, that he would hope that you never take it down, because it shows God's law to people who need to hear it.
Thks for reaching people.
andypro7777 4 years ago
Uh, smart people will listen to it and realise he's batshit-crazy. You on the other hand, decided on a lobotomy apparently. Hope that goes well for ya.
binarymage 4 years ago
perhaps your 'fear' comes from a deep down feeling that what Ray is saying is true? If what he is saying is complete rubbish why would you be afraid, just laugh it off!
stevonnemacklin 4 years ago
I know one thing that Adam and eve ate only one fruit that disobeyed God's Commant they were cast out, so.... did Adam kill someone? yes he did! he killed God's Love.
thelordz72 4 years ago
I'm sorry, but I didn't hear you make any rebuttals to what Ray said. Have you never told a lie? If not, you aren't a liar. But if you have, then guess what? You *are* a liar! Are you going to argue with that? Try.
And yes, you will be punished at the same level as Hitler and mass murderers. This is because sin is sin is sin. The Bible specifically says that there are no little or big sins. Killing someone and telling a lie are both wrong, and wrong has to be punished by right.
CubexDE 4 years ago