Also in 2 thessalonians it says "but concerning our gathering unto the Lord, let no one deceive you, for that day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed' 2 thessalonians being the context of 1 thessalonians.
@BlazyJon Amen. Paul's meaning is clear in both letters when we read them in their context. In 2 Thessalonians 1, Paul says that our suffering (for Him) is even plain indication that we are considered worthy to be in God's Kingdom He goes on to say that God will pay back those who are afflicting us & give us relief *WHEN* the Lord Jesus is revealed in flaming fire with His angels! He actually says we are given relief WHEN the Lord Jesus is *revealed*!
I don't use the word rapture, but Jesus comes and takes his church to be with him after the 6th seal is opened in Revelation 6:12-17. This time period coincides with the time period of Revelation 14:14-20 which is after the 7th angel has blown his trumpet.
The trumpets of Revelation are sounded as the Lamb is opening the seals. The great tribulation happens before Jesus comes back for his church. Christians will not be on the earth when the 7 vials of the wrath of God are poured out on earth.
Let me fine tune the last part of what I just said. The church will already have been taken by Jesus when the 7 vials of the wrath of God are poured out on the earth, but during this time it appears that people who have not taken the mark of the beast, do repent and get saved. People will be getting saved after the church is taken up.
@Skywitness Thank you for your comments. I agree that the sixth seal, seventh trumpet line up, however I also see the seventh bowl also lining up with the sixth seal and seventh trumpet. Events from Revelation 16:20's seventh bowl lines up with events in Revelation 6:14 sixth seal (islands and mountains). I can see you study His word and look for His coming. Very encouraging. God bless!
@boltingpuppies I can see how you could think all 3 sequences take place at the same time, but when you look closer at the last sequence, the pouring out of God's wrath, it doesn't happen as the other 2 are unfolding.
Compare the events of the sounding of the trumpets with the pouring out of God's wrath. In the sounding of the trumpets evil is allowed to judge the earth for a time period. In the pouring out of God's wrath, evil, starting with the kingdom of the beast is being judged by God.
If you are going to try to teach the Bible at least paraphrase the scripture correctly and dont twist it to your own agenda. If you read Isaiah 26:19-21 and then John 14:1-3 you will see exactly where believers are during the Tribulation.
@boltingpuppies The problem that I see you're having is that you are not making a distinction between the great tribulation and the wrath of God.
After the great tribulation, Jesus comes back for his church. This is a visible event. Revelation 6:12-17. Jesus also comes back later on during a time after the last vial of the wrath of God has been poured out. He comes back this time to defeat the antichrist and his armies. This also is a visible event. Revelation 19:19-21.
@Skywitness I'm not sure why you think I do not make a distinction between the great tribulation and the wrath of God?
I do make a distinction between the great tribulation and the wrath of God. They are not interchangeable. We are in agreement on that point. We are not appointed to God's wrath but we are promised tribulation in this world.
Having said that, I still see the wrath being poured out prior to the church's removal due to the sixth seal lining up with the seventh bowl of wrath.
@boltingpuppies Revelation 6:17, "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"
Revelation 6:17 was said by certain people after Jesus was visibly seen. What do you think is meant by the phrase, "For the great day of his wrath is come"?
I think the phrase has to do with the upcoming pouring out of the 7 vials of the wrath of God which leads up to the great supper of God where the birds of the air feast on the flesh of the antichrist's armies after Jesus defeats them.
@Skywitness The church does not necessarily need to be removed in order for God to *begin* pouring out the bowls of wrath on the wicked (2Peter2:9)(Psalm 91:6-8). I think we see things very, very similarly with some slight variation at the very end. We are very near in our understanding.
@boltingpuppies Have you noticed within the opening of the seals and the the sounding of the trumpets there are references which show the church is still on earth and Jesus hasn't taken the church yet. But when it comes to the pouring out of the vials of the wrath of God, you don't see references to the church. The only verse that comes close is:
Revelation 16:15, "Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame."
@nitdiver5 I am a sincere studier of our Lord's word. I am not 'twisting it to fit my own agenda'. I only want His truth. I decided to take it as it is written and to accept His truth as written. I have no quarrel with you.
Regarding Isaiah, with all due respect, 'indignation' (i.e. God's anger) and 'tribulation' are not the same thing. Great passage talking about the resurrection. Notice that Isaiah's body will be raised with the Messiah's dead believers. When is that resurrection?
@loveisblinddontblink I use the NASB in most of my videos but I believe I used the NIV in this one. A great website to use for comparing passages in different versions or translations is blueletterbibledotorg. I regularly use the KJV, NASB and YLT for my personal studies as well as the Septuagint. Blueletter lets me compare the passages easily, you can check 1Thess 4 there. I'm glad to see we both love our Jesus/Yeshua and that He is our Lord and Savior. Lots of love in Him.
Same here. Back in the seventies I was with a group that preached the Pre-Trib Rapture. I had no reason not to believe it. But when I started studying the Bible for myself—AND taking what it said to its logical conclusion, I realized that the Pre-Trib Rapture was nothing but a fairy-tale which could only be arrived at by a COMPLETE misunderstanding of what the Scripture ACTUALLY teaches. Unfortunately, such a fairy-tale approach is all too common—and NOT just in regard to the Rapture.
@VOLKHVORONOVICH Isn't it amazing what He reveals to us when we actually read what His written word says? You're right, it happens with many other things besides the rapture. Thanks for sharing that this has happened to you as well.
I was taught the same lie. Like you, God revealed the last days truth to me in 1982. I can quote dozens of scriptures that confirm what you said. Since then I have learned many more things about the last days prophecies, many of which are taking place now. God also revealed to me who the Satanists are that are behind this, and what people the beast will come from. If you are interested in my research email me at Bibleprophecy1st@yahoo.com
MAT 24:15 tells of the anti-C coming ("abom. of desolation" as in Dan & 2 Thess 2; ORIG HEBR MANUSCIPTS say "abom. of The desolaTOR!"); THEN AFT THIS in v 21 "For THEN shall be great TRIBULATION such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be;" THEN AFT THAT v 29 Immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Cont'd: 30 -"And THEN (CHRONOLOGICALLY AFTERWARD FROM MATT 24: 29, ABOVE!) shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn-" (because they believed the pre-trib bunk & were deceived by satan coming 1st claimg 2 b christ come 2 fly u!), "-& they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds (crowds/hosts!) of heaven with power & great glory!"
CLINCHER: IF U R STILL IN YOUR FLESH (WHEN THE ANTI-C ARRIVES 1STLY B4 THE TRUE SAVIOR CLAIMING TO BE THE SAVIOR/CHRIST (@ "6,6,6") as per: 1 Cor 15:52, then U WILL KNOW HE'S A FAKE & LIAR, 4 we will all be CHANGED INTO OUR "RUWACH/PNEUMA" (NEW SPIRITUAL BODIES) "IN THE WINK OF AN EYE" WHEN TRUE CHRIST RETURNS JUST AFT (777)! = BIBLICAL FACT.
THE ONES "TAKEN FIRSTLY IN THE FIELD OR AT THE LOOM" ("1 shall be taken, the other, left") R TAKEN BY THE ANTI-CHRIST & NOT OUR TRUE LORD & SAVIOR! BUT IT'S TAUGHT THE EXACT OPPOSITE by DECEIVED PRE-TRIBBERS RENDERING IT MOOT JUST AS SATAN TRIED TO TWIST SCRIPTURE WHEN HE TEMTED CHRIST IN WILDERNESS BY TWISTG THE WORD 1 OR 2%! SATAN CANNOT TEMPT CHRIST W/ CHRISTS VERY OWN WORD! DON'T U BE MISLED EITHER.
Better to believe POST & have it NOT work out than have it the OPPOSITE, for no real harm would be done if 1 believes POST because U WILL BE READY REGARDLESS, but if 1 believes PRE & it IS POST (WHICH IT IS IN SCRIPTURE!) then MANY WILL BE SCREWED! Christ warned us so that a child could read & understand its POST TRIB, WHICH ALSO = AFTER ANTI-C'S WORLD ARRIVAL 2 DECEIVE WORLD THAT HE'S CHRIST COME TO FLY U OUT @ "666"(6th Seal,Trump,Vial) B4 TRUE CHRIST RETURNS @ "777"(7th Seal,Trump,Vial)
2 THESS 2: 1-12 is VERY SPECIFIC & DISPROVES THE PRE-TRIB GATHERING BACK TO CHRIST, as do again, Matt 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, Ez 13:20! The anti-c's coming FIRSTLY B4 OUR LORD claiming to BE OUR LORD COME TO FLY US OUT OF TROUBLE (THIS = MAIN PART OF THE VERY TRIB!), THEN THE TRUE CHRIST APPEARS W/ HIS ELECT/"SAINTS" WHO HELD THEIR GROUND THRU THE ANTI-C & HIS TRIB! cRAPTURE IS A DAMNABLE LIE! The end of 1 THESS 4 doesNOT address chronological Return timeframe, but these others DO. Its @ 7th/LAST!
AGAIN, TRUST THE KJV; that damnable NIV has CHANGED THE WORDINGS IN EZ 13:18-23 (ESP V 20) SO THAT IT NOW READS ABOUT ENSNARED "BIRDS" NOT "FLY," ATTEMPTG 2 CHANGE SCRIPTURE, JUST AS SATAN TRIED TO TWIST THE WORD WHEN HE TEMPTED CHRIST IN WILDERNESS BY QUOTING TWISTED SCRIPTURE A SMALL TWEAK, THUSLY RENDERING IT VOID & CORRUPTED! FATHER H8S THE FLY-AWAY "THEORY" OF THESE END TIMES. CHECK THE KJV 4 URSELVES & THROW THAT NIV IN THE TRASH WHERE IT BELONGS ALONG W/ ANY OTHER THAT DEVI8S FR THE KJV!
The Scriptural "Thief in the Night" = reference to SATAN, NOT CHRIST (CHRIST IS NOT A THIEF NOR IS HE OF THE NIGHT/DARK!), BUT LUCIFER IS THE THIEF who comes 1ST'LY CLAIMG 2 b the True Christ @ "666" ("6th Seal,Trumpet,Vial") B4 OUR TRUE CHRIST who comes to DESTROY THE WICKED 1 AFT THOSE DAYS OF TRIB, @ "777!" MATT 24, MARK 13, LU 21, 2 THESS 2 ALL SAY POST TRIB! THOSE LEFT WORKING IN THE FIELD ETC R NOT TAKEN BY THE FALSE 1, BUT STAY WORKING IN GOD'S FIELD TIL VERY END & NOT OTHER WAY AROUND!
THERE IS NO PRE-TRIB GATHERING BACK TO CHRIST, & THE WORD cRAPTURE IS NOT IN SCRIPTURE NOR HAS IT EVER BEEN, NOR SHOULD NOR WILL IT BE. STOP THE EXTREME DANGER OF BEING MISLED & DECEIVED BY LISTENING TO SOME1 ELSE TELL U WHAT WORD SAYS INSTEAD OF RESEARCHING/READN 4 URSELVES in KJV! Scripturally, Christ is returning HERE TO EARTH w/ HIS ELECT 2 establish His Kingdom HERE, @ LAST TRUMP (7th or "7,7,7"); ANTI-C COMES 1stly b4hand @ "6,6,6" CLAIMG 2 B CHRIST COME TO FLY U ALL AWAY! DONT FALL 4 IT!
@boltingpuppies ("Christ comes back immediately *after* the tribulation of those days, amen"): Yes, u r Scripturally correct (because u accurately quoted It!) as per KJV !! Matt 24, Mark 13, Luke 21 (ALL Christs very own Words), 2 Thess 2 (Pauls), & Ez 13:18-23 (specifically v 20, Father God's very own Words)) where in the OT LONNNG ago it was writ!
GATHERING BACK TO THE TRUE CHRIST = @ THE LAST or AKA the 7th SEAL, TRUMP, VIAL or "7,7,7;" & NOT until AFTER the FALSE 1 shows up (b4hand @ "666!") CLAIMG 2 b CHRIST COME TO FLY U ALL AWAY! RE: KJV (NOT that bloody, lying NIV!) MATT 24, MARK 13, LUKE 21 (all Christ's Own Words), 2 THESS 2 (Paul's correction of what many @ the time misunderstood 1 Thess 4!), EZ 13:18-23 (God's Own Words writ long b4 the FALSE pre-trib notion!). IT'S JUST d OPPOSITE OF WHAT PRE-TRIBBERS FALSELY TEACH! Its POST
1 Thess 4 st8s that those who'r ALRDY PASSED ON WILL d TRUE CHRIST BRING WITH HIM & NOT THE TIMING OF THE GATHERING BACK TO HIM! "Clouds" DOESNT mean sky as we know 2day but "CROWDS" as in GATHERG OF MULTITUDES & Paul st8d "we run the race as in a CLOUD" or as in a "CLOUD of locusts"), & the word "air" does NOT = "sky" (but Grk word pneuma transl8d from Hebr RUWACH = "Father's Holy Spirit Breathe of Life Bodies as what He breathed n2 Adam's nostrils in GEN), & its @ THE FARTHEST/LAST TRUMP (777)
KJV !! Matt 24,Mark 13,Luke 21, 2 Thess 2, Ez 13:20 & the Revelation etc, which the pre-tribbers conveniently IGNORE 2 TEACH, ALL ST8 POST-TRIB GATHER BACK 2 TRUE CHRIST @ 777, AFTER d FALSE 1/ANTI-C SHOWS UP @ 666: B4 777! 1stly CLAIM'G 2 b CHRIST COME 2 FLY U ALL AWAY! 1's "taken in the field" etc r NOT TAKEN BY CHRIST BUT BY THE FALSE 1 1stly, WHICH PRE-TRIB cRAPTURISTS TEACH the WRONG-WAY AROUND!1 Thess 4 doesnt address chronologica
The sad thing the devil is doing is bringing Christians against Christians on this rapture. If u want to be here during the tribulation, then that's u. Don't get mad or put somebody down when they don't believe like u do. We are all wrong for doing that. We have to believe what we believe and whatever happens in the end, happens. Acts 2:38.
People just read scriptures, but don't understand anything about prophecy. One need to understand prophecy first, then speak. So many are going to be hurt to their hearts when they miss the rapture. How are we going to see the mansions that Jesus set up for us. U are being fooled. U will see very shortly.
@rossdaboss1959 Hello Ross, I think you mean well, but you are currently deceived. I consider you my brother because you are looking for Jesus to come, and amen He will come. In loving Him, we must believe what Jesus and His Apostles and Prophets said. Paul said the resurrection will happen *before* anyone who is alive and remains is caught up(raptured). The Prophet Job said no-man will rise(resurrect) before the Heavens are *no more*. We either believe the Apostles and Prophets or we don't.
@rossdaboss1959 Actually, I do agree with Paul...the resurrection must take place before the rapture. Actually, I do agree with Job, no one will rise/resurrect *until* the heavens are *no more*. Revelation tells us this event takes place at the 6th seal. Jesus says the elect will be gathered *immediately after* the tribulation. I believe Jesus, Paul and Job. It is you who do not believe Jesus, Paul or Job and you are greatly deceived in this area and deceiving others.
@boltingpuppies u might believe, but u don't understand. The church is not Israel. Read Revelation 4th n 5th chapters to see the church in heaven with crowns already. We are made kings n priests. Read Revelation 1:6. it's one thing to read n another to understand. Daniel prayed for his people, not the church. Jacob's trouble. They have one more week to fulfill on earth. Only 69 were fulfilled. That's why 144,000 of the tribe of Israel will be sealed during that time. The church is already sealed
@rossdaboss1959 I want you to know that I do not believe the church has *replaced* Israel, but I do believe that gentile believers in Yeshua are no longer foreigners/gentiles, rather we have been grafted into Israel (believers in YHVH) through faith in Yeshua. Paul says we are no longer foreigners or strangers but rather we are fellow citizens in Israel and are also heirs to the covenant(S) of promise.
The pre-tribulation rapture is a form of replacement theology.
@boltingpuppies God is dealing with a spiritual people, the church, Jew n gentiles. He's still going to deal with his natural people, hebrew Israelite. Read Romans 9,10,11th chapter. That's not replacement theology. Post trib believe that. That's why they try to over look the natural Hebrew Israelites. God will deal with Natural Israel again. Not those people out there who call themselves Jews. Genesis 10:3 shows they come down from Japheth, not Shem.
@rossdaboss1959 I absolutely agree that God does still have covenant with the blood descendants of Israel. This does not negate that gentile believers in Yeshua are grafted into Israel and are no longer aliens but fellow citizens to the commonwealth of Israel....just like there were non-blood Israelites who left Egypt and were part of the Sinai covenant and became Israel.
None of this overrules what scripture states plainly. The resurrection comes *first*, then the rapture will take place.
@boltingpuppies The first resurrection is all that make it to the 1,000 year reign. Those that got up when Jesus got up. Matthew 27:52. All the apostles and those that died in the Lord n even die in the Lord today, the raptured church, those that die in the tribulation after giving their lives to Christ, is in the first resurrection. Revelation 20th chapter. The second resurrection don't have any power. That's those that come to the white throne to be judged.
@rossdaboss1959 I agree that all those you mentioned will be in the first resurrection, which takes place at Jesus' coming. While many people were 'raised from the dead' back into their natural bodies, there are only three resurrections mentioned in scripture. The resurrection of Jesus, the resurrection of saints at His coming, the resurrection at the end of the 1000 year reign at the Great White throne judgement. The first resurrection of believers will take place at Christ's coming. Amen.
True Story: Jewish Grooms return with a shout and a trumpet blast to abduct their brides after the Groom's father approves the place the Groom has prepared. He stands outside the city and the Bride goes out to him where he marries her and then abducts her and they go away to consummate the marriage for SEVEN days. At the end of the 7 days, they return to the city for the marriage supper. The guests there include anyone invited by the Father of the Groom. Look it up if you don't believe me.
This message is in error...D dilusion is within d confusion of d concept of "the rapture" someone with a deceitful plan conjured up this doctrine which will continue 2deceive/trick many in d body of d church..Christ warned us of d leavens of the Pharisees false doctrines..THIS MESSAGE IS NOT ROOTED IN CHRIST..
ANY WHO IS WAITING ON CHRIST 2RETURN IN D CLOUDS 2B SAVED IN HIS 1ST RESURRECTION WILL FIND THEMSELVES BEING LEFT BEHIND &PERISHING IN HELL..BELIEVE NOW JESUS ROSE FROM D GRAVE &B SAVED.
@hazell77 Hi hazell77. I'm a bit confused by what you have written here. The first part of your comment sounds like you are post-trib and the second part of your comment sounds like you are pre-trib. Perhaps you could clarify. It sounds like you are a pre-tribber although you don't give any scriptural reasons as to why? Thank you for watching.
Well, we'll be caught up in the twinkling of an eye, (extremely fast so as not to be seen by others)! We'll attend the marriage supper, (After our wedding to the bridegroom), after seven yrs. He will return and EVERYONE WILL SEE HIM coming (with His bride, the saints, US! we'll war with the Antichrist and the Assyrian, Muslim confederacy and their Madahi. We'll win, because 2/3's of the angels are still with YHVH, plus us! How will he keep us down here then quick rapture, the fastest wedding an
My experience with this false doctrine is almost identical to yours. I had been raised up in the pre-trib doctrine and had no reason to doubt it until the Lord showed me the truth in scripture. Pre-trib is everywhere and I didn't know anyone who believed otherwise. I stumbled across your video and it has been a great comfort to me. Thanks for sharing your experience and doing such a great job on this.
@SpiceForest Thank you for sharing your experience here for all of our brothers & sisters to read. It is a comfort to learn others are holding to His word too. I'm reminded of Elijah who thought he was alone. Our Lord revealed to him 7,000 others He had reserved who also had not bowed their knee to Baal. I'm glad He is showing us other brothers & sisters on you-tube who trust inHis words--because there will come a time when we won't see many others of like mind, if any. Yeshua bless you!
@receivejesusnow - Oh, hi again!! So you are here too! I just wanted to step in and say Jesus didn't think so! Nor did the apostles, including Peter, John and Paul. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I'd rather listen to my Lord and them!! :)
@arovir If you were to listen to the Lord, you would have known that the Rapture was indeed pre-trib. The twenty and four elders is the Raptured Church, the two groups of 144,000 are repented people during the Tribulation at different points of time. I do not expect you to repent any time soon, you have the Bible and the words of the prophets, if you do not believe in what they really say, then you will not even believe a person raised from the dead to tell you the truth.
@receivejesusnow - Dear me! You sound so serious! Loosen up a bit, will you! :D
Actually, I AM listening to the Lord! He told me I was wrong about pre-trib 21 years ago (after I had gathered what I thought was water-tight evidence FOR the validity of the pre-trib doctrine). He then showed me in His Word why I was wrong. I repented back then! :D
For the record the 24 elders are... wait for it... 24 elders!! And guess, what the saints on earth in the tribulation are... saints (like you and me)!!
@receivejesusnow - You're right! His true prophets are few and far between. It's alarming that so many are listening to the false prophets Jesus said would abound in the end time leading many astray.
Seems to me there are only two ways for you to see the coming reality; either by revelation - your eyes being opened to what's really in Scripture, or else you seeing the Antichrist on TV one day. I hope for your own sake you will experience the former alternative before experiencing the last one.
@arovir yea but what if you were wrong? And what if those false prophets (which do not publicise themselves) are actually true prophets sent by God? You need to call on the Holy Spirit and maybe God will grant you some wisdom on this subject. Debating is not good because it rose from the lack of an absolute authority figure.
@receivejesusnow - My absolute authority is the unadulterated written Word of God. Unlike you, I do not look to "prophets" to tell me what I should believe concerning the return of Christ. The Holy Spirit illuminates the Word of God, giving wisdom to identify man-made fantasy that does not line up with the truth of the Scriptures. The conviction I have had for the last 21 years concerning the post-trib position is stronger than ever. The truth is not comfortable, but I rejoice in knowing it.
@receivejesusnow The apostle Peter wrote: "your faith... tested by fire... be found to result in... glory and honor at the REVELATION of Jesus Christ" 1 Pet 1:7. The apostle John wrote: "when He is REVEALED, we shall be like Him" 1 Joh 3:2. The apostle Paul wrote: "awaiting eagerly the REVELATION of our Lord Jesus Christ" 1 Cor 1:7. Christ said He will be revealed AFTER the great tribulation, Matt 24:29-30. I do listen to the apostles; I await the REVELATION of Christ post-trib. You should too!
@receivejesusnow - We've gone through this several times now, but I will repeat :) Allowing Scripture to speak without any pre-conceived idea we see the First Resurrection happening just prior to the Rapture which happens at the Glorious Appearing. You say you don't have time to watch any of my videos, but this is the essence of them. One video you can watch which deals with the timing of the First resurrection is: "The First Resurrection and The Last trumpet". You won't find any mess there! :)
@arovir I've told you and told you many times before too, haven't I? Open up your ears and eyes. The Rapture happens first, then the tribulation comes, then the Lord will come back, defeat the Antichrist and start His 1,000 year kingdom from Jerusalem, after the Final Battle, New Jerusalem will come out from Heaven and the Lord and His people will reign with Him forever and ever! If I watch your videos, I'm allowing the devils to get a hold of me, and I will not allow that.
@receivejesusnow - This is getting ridiculously hilarious, if it wasn't a serious matter. (Get that?)
I think it strange/funny (take your pick!) that when someone doesn't agree with someone else on a minor point in a non-damnable theological question, it's so easy to accuse the other person's teaching of being inspired by devils! How helpful!! ;)
I used to believe and teach like you do about the end-time, but I was just mistaken not inspired by devils!!
@boltingpuppies You must immediately ask the Lord to rebuke the Devil in you. First when the trumpet sounds, graves will split open and the dead saved will rise, then we who are still alive (the saved ones) will rise together WITH THEM to meet the Lord in the air. Do not twist the Apostle Paul's words. ummm... The Rapture is not the First Resurrection? -.-
This part you have correct: Trumpet sounds, graves open, saved dead rise, then we who are still alive & remain (saved ones) will be caught up together w/them to meet the Lord in the air.
Jesus returns to: Resurrect>THEN>Rapture. Correct.
This is the FIRST resurrection according to Revelation 20--not my words, Jesus' words.
Do you casually tell people they have a Devil in them--especially believers in Jesus--over different understanding? You don't have much fear of God.
@boltingpuppies You're getting it all wrong. It's like post-tribbers have no hope! Jesus comes back first to rapture His church, after that, the Tribulation happens! And you see what you are, brother. There are way more phases to this End Times than you think.
@receivejesusnow - According to the Bible our hope is eternal life / resurrection / to receive a body like Christ has (those who know their Bible and read this are nodding their heads). Our hope is not to go to heaven before the going gets tough. Paul is emphatic - Acts 14:22: We must through many tribulations enter the Kingdom of God. So from here to Kingdom come there are many tribulations, small... and great. After that we are caught up to meet Christ when He comes to reign on earth. Prepare.
@receivejesusnow Please answer the following questions: Why when the rapture was not taught as imminent by Christ, apostles or for over 1900 yrs are you now teaching imminency?Why if you say Mt24 was for Jews and John was one of the Jews do you say in Rev.4 that he represents the church. If he is the church there shouldn't he be the church in Mt24?How many resurrections are there? I read of 2. You require 3.If tons of people are saved during the 7 yrs, why (cont.)
@receivejesusnow are they not indwelt by the Holy Spirit? & how if the 7 yrs. are God's wrath can anyone be saved if Christians are not appointed to wrath.They would be in the midst of it. & why if it is God's wrath and not Satan's wrath does God pour out His wrath only on His own children instead of the wicked in the 5th seal?Why do you call the 70th week of Daniel the tribulation when there is nothing in the Bible that indicates that that term applies to the 7 yrs. If the rapture is so
@receivejesusnow secret, why do you say that the verses saying He will come in the clouds with great glory refer to the rapture? That's hardly secret.
@receivejesusnow - I sincerely hope you take back what you accuse boltingpuppies of having in her. From her answers you can see that what you think of her is not true. If she is twisting Paul's words then I have 47 pairs of bi-focals on my nose. Just look at the rapture passage in 1 Thess 4. Contrary to what you have been taught and maybe read about in end-time books, there's absolutely nothing pre-trib about it! Look carefully and you will find plenty of hints that it's a post-trib scenario...
@arovir I can't take back truths I have learnt from Baxter. The main reason post-trib is CONTRADICTORY to the Bible is that it does NOT match up to the Lord's personality. Listen to the modern prophets, brother!
@receivejesusnow - You write "I can't take back truths I have learnt from Baxter. The main reason post-trib is CONTRADICTORY to the Bible is that it does NOT match up to the Lord's personality. Listen to the modern prophets, brother!"
I say "I can't take back truths I have learnt from JESUS. The main reason PRE-trib is contradictory to the Bible is that it does not match up to the Lord's WORD. Listen to the APOSTLES OF OLD!"
@arovir My dear, Jesus Himself said that He would come back first to rapture the Church. Even the Apostles believed in the Rapture of the Church PRE-TRIB, it's just that you can't interpret it correctly. The Apostles and Jesus said the same thing, it's just that you are twisting the words to suit your own hypothesis. You read it from the wrong angle. In the Bible Jesus already said that in the Last Days, modern prophets would rise. But you aren't listening to Jesus now. IT IS JESUS TALKING.
@receivejesusnow I say: OH dear, Jesus Himself said that He would come back AFTER THE TRIBULATION. Even the Apostles believed in WHAT JESUS HAD TAUGHT THEM, it's just that you can't interpret it correctly. The Apostles and Jesus said the same thing, it's just that you are twisting the words to suit your own hypothesis. You read it from the wrong angle. In the Bible Jesus already said that in the Last Days, FALSE prophets would rise. But you aren't listening to Jesus now. IT IS JESUS TALKING
You seem to like the word "twist". You have used it in several comments. Are you sure you don't want to... "twist again, like we did last summer..." ;D
@receivejesusnow Would you mind pointing me to a direct statement in the Bible saying the rapture is pre-tribulation? You said the 24 elders are the raptured church - can you tell me how you know this?
@receivejesusnow Please provide at least one verse 'directly stating' the rapture is 'prior' to the resurrection for Jimvesterstallone and all reading.
@boltingpuppies I will not give you a verse. I'll give you a book. The Book of Revelation and its context clearly shows that the Rapture comes before the Resurrection. The Rapture is shown at around Rev 4 and the Resurrection is shown at Rev 20. And at the same paragraph is the saints, both taken in the Rapture and those left behind and repented over time, and Christ reigning for a thousand years. Read your kjv bible.
@receivejesusnow That's right, you don't have a verse to give.The Revelation is not written in chronological order.The 'rapture' passage, 1Thes4, the one talking about a catching away of living believers, is VERY clear that the resurrection must take place BEFORE any of the living believers are ever caught up.Revelation 20 tells us those beheaded for not taking the mark of the beast are IN the FIRST resurrection.You don't believe Jesus & you are earning the curse promised to those who add to it.
@receivejesusnow The rapture (gathering of the elect) is immediately after the tribulation of those days according to Jesus in Matthew 24. According to Job, no one will be resurrected before the heaven is 'no more'. According to Paul, the dead in Christ must rise before anyone living is ever 'caught up'. Paul says the living will in 'no way precede' the dead. The resurrection must happen before the rapture. Jesus says the resurrection happens on the 'last day' about 3 times in John. BlessU
@boltingpuppies I love how people pretend they are Bible Scholars but they don't even use a King James Version, which is an essential foundation to being a fundamental Christian.
People who don't reverence a KJV shouldn't be allowed to teach Bible to anyone.
AMEN!!! Glory To God In The Highest for the True Revelation of His Word!! Hallelujah!! Thanks Sis for sharing God's Word is TRUTH and we must ALL be in prayer and in His Word and Prayer DAILY! It's awesome to see other believers out there that hold to the Word Of God and Truth!! Come Quickly Lord Jesus!! It will be great to go home!! Richard
It's interesting to note the passage where he say's that believers will MEET the Lord in the air. Every other place in scripture the word translated as MEET is used in the context one someone going out to greet a visitor ( like when the elders of a city would go to the city gates to MEET dignitaries that were arriving and escort them in ). The same word translated here as "MEET" in the KJV means the same thing. We will rise and go out to MEET the Lord and escort Him in. (not fly away
@jamesbabyar - A very telling illustration of our MEETING Christ at His return can be found in John 12. Here we read of when He came to Jerusalem: "...the large crowd who had come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem, took the branches of the palm trees and went out to meet Him, and began to shout, Hosanna!" v.12-13.
The crowd came out of the city to MEET Christ and then escort Him back to the city.
I agree, there's no flying away to heaven at the return of Christ!
Yeshua bless you, bolting! You are being persecuted for speaking Truth...GREAT is your reward in heaven. When you are insulted, you remain steady. Mud is slung at you, and you respond with a pearl of Scripture. You are encouraging to the body of Christ. :)
The mark of a true Christian is love...repenting when one is shown to be in error...all of the things you do by the Spirit of Christ dwelling within you. Pray for your adversary that he/she will come to the same place of maturity. Blessings x
The Rapture is coming! And you have the choice to go with the rest of us by becoming part of Christ’s Bride. Yet even after the Tribulation begins, you can still open your heart to Christ, and be part of the over 200 Million a day who are beheaded for you faith. Personally I prefer to meet him at the Marriage Supper.
@YsaAshenkin Yes, the rapture (gathering to Christ) is coming & it is coming just when Jesus said it would "immediately after the tribulation of those days" Matthew 24.The rapture (gathering to Christ) will happen just when Paul said it would "and the dead in Christ will rise FIRST. We will in NO WAY PRECEDE them" 1Thess 4.The FIRST resurrection INCLUDES tribulation martyrs beheaded for their faith (Revelation 20). Tribulation martyrs ARE part of the bride. To say otherwise is GREAT insult.
@boltingpuppies I pity you. You choose to be so blind. If you feel insulted by the Truth, then that tells me what spirit really inspires you. I will contenue to pray for you and all those who allow themselves to be lead astry by your lies and half-truths.
@YsaAshenkin Please realize that you are starting to step beyond insulting me and are in danger of insulting His Spirit. I don't hold your words said towards me against you, but I warn you not to insult the Spirit that inspires me. I say this for your Spiritual health and well being, not to egg you on. Again, I don't hold anything you have said about me against you . For your own sake I will not be continuing this discussion. Yah bless.
@YsaAshenkin - Demonizing people who think differently is an old tactic to demoralize, but know this: She is strong in the Lord.
Your prayers will not be heard; they will only remind God to bless boltingpuppies even more.
And remember this: If you are still alive when the great tribulation begins and you still haven't had your eyes opened, then YOU will need pity. You will be so unprepared and in desperation. Then you will be wondering who's been spreading what you call "lies and half-truths".
@YsaAshenkin - Another thing: God is much, much more concerned with how you treat your sister than with what you may or may not believe concerning events that haven't transpired yet. In any case, they are pre-set and cannot be changed, but your unworthy behavior can be changed! Desire God's smile over your life rather than His frown which is what is over you at this moment. Then you might just receive eye-salve to view into the future more correctly in the light of His Word.
@arovir I am already praying and will continue to pray for those of you who are so blinded by the enemy that you support this Jezebel’s preaching of heresies. You don't see the Truth now I doubt you will see the Truth when the Rapture does happen.
Only one spirit twists the Word of God to say what it wants to say , claims that God lies to test our love, and then encourages rebellion against the elders of the Church and it isn’t the Holy Spirit. You all choose to follow where this other spirit leads. Live through the days of the Great Tribulation as you wish. So be it.
@YsaAshenkin What elders of what church? If the elders of ANY church are deviating from Scripture don't listen to them. If they are not, then do.
Is your church oppressing you? My friend went to a church where they dictated where, when & how often he could meet with a girl,etc. This is oppression and not the place of the elders of any church anywhere. I don't know what age you are, but Scripture says you are to obey 1) your parents & 2) God. Commanded obedience to leaders is the mark of a cult.
@YsaAshenkin I agree with your other 2 points. The Holy Spirit will never twist the Word of God, and God cannot lie. But for some reason you are refusing to acknowledge that God DOES *send* a delusion. Are you willing to acknowledge this Scripture? Do you believe in all of Scripture?
Dig a little deeper into your Bible. God does NOT lie, but AFTER the Rapture He will veil the Truth and release the Deceiver to have free reign. It will be the only way the Anti-Christ will be able to establish his religion. What this verse is basically saying is that the Rapture will happen and those who are left behind will not believe that is has occurred. Even as all the facts are plain for them to see. But the reasone most are left is because they didn't believe in the first place.
@YsaAshenkin It is good that you have at least read the verse now & are aware of its existence. But you have read a LOT into it.
Friend, no one on here has at any time said that God lies except YOU when you "rebuked" bolting because she quoted this verse which you had not yet read & YOU misunderstood, not realizing she was quoting Scripture. You read into the verse that "God lies" - but He does not! In fact He graciously arms us with the TRUTH ahead of time that He will be sending a delusion.
@YsaAshenkin Please be blessed and go in peace, read for yourself, and be cautious of what ANYONE tells you regarding Jesus' return, including us, including your elders. Take what you hear and measure it against the Word asking the Holy Spirit to guide you into all Truth. But be aware, you must WANT the Truth. Be blessed.
@Jimvesterstallone The first Gift of the Holy Spirit is sight. The abitlity to see through the lies and know the Truth. I tell you now, no matter how this girl twists the Scriptures, she does not know the Truth. Pray for this Gift so that YOU will not be lead astray by false teachers.
@YsaAshenkin - In the big scheme of things you differ with her in some minor points of eschatology, though important ones for those concerned (that's why I devote my channel to this issue). And you grieve and quench the Holy Spirit because of that? I wouldn't if I were you! For every vicious comment you make you detract from your reward - a jewel is taken from your crown. At the same time you are adding to her reward in heaven (recognize the Scripture?) and providing more jewels in her crown!
@arovir Your sad commit only shows how lacking in the Holy Spirit the whole group of you are. I have read all the commits posted on this page. Several good Christians tried to correct this child's gross misconceptions and sick twistings of God's Word. Any one who doesn't agree with her lies gets threated and cursed. If her spirit is offended by the Truth, SO BE IT! There is only ONE TRUTH, WAY, and LIFE.
@YsaAshenkin - This is getting from bad to worse! Your true colors are even clearer now. Your despicable language about a woman of God will be remembered by her God. Remember, you will be judged by your words, as the Lord said. None of the horrid things you say about her will be forgotten by God unless you repent. You have every right to disagree in theological matters, but you have no right to belittle and smear a sister in the faith who is lovingly warning the saints of coming tribulation.
You are preaching a false doctrine and twisting the Word of God to support your misguided views. You tell lost souls to rebuke the words of their elders just because you disagree with them. You have become so puffed up with your own pride you refuse to allow the Holy Spirit to guide your readings of the Holy Word. Listen all of you who read this. No one deceived this silly girl, she is deceiving herself and all who listen to her
You are preaching a false doctrine and twisting the Word of God to support your misguided views. You tell lost souls to rebuke the words of their elders just because you disagree with them. You have become so puffed up with your own pride you refuse to allow the Holy Spirit to guide your readings of the Holy Word. Listen all of you who read this. No one deceived this silly girl, she is deceiving herself and all who listen to her
@YsaAshenkin - Will you please leave boltingpuppies alone! You have the nerve to say she is puffed up with pride, refuses to allow the Holy Spirit to guide her, and a self-deceived silly girl. None of that is true. She is a humble, meek, Holy Spirit-led and enlightened, wise woman. Don't go attacking people just because you don't agree with their end-time theology! I suggest you get down on your knees and repent of your vile attitude. And no matter what you believe, you owe her an apology.
Did you just say that God sent "the disillusion"? Read your Bible! God hates lies and liars, why would God send a disilusion? I'm shocked that you just called God a Deciever? The only Deciever in the Bible is Satan, so who are you really listening too? Impossible to argue post or pre-tribulation if you can't get that part correct.
For anyone reading, please understand that God has warned us 'ahead of time' about the delusion. The delusion is sent by God to test those living on the earth. Those who do not LOVE the truth will believe the lie according to 2Thessalonians 2. It is VERY important that we read our bibles and know what is coming in order not to be deceived. If we love the TRUTH, His word, and read it, He says He has told us EVERYTHING ahead of time--if we love Him we will heed His warning.>>
God is not the 'liar'. God sends the delusion/ or deluding influence - (think Satan) but God Himself does not lie. God ALLOWS the deluding influence to come SO THAT those who do not love God's words & His warnings that He gave ahead of time, will show their true allegiances-they will believe the liar over YHVH God. Those who love YHVH, will only trust YHVH's words. Others will trust their 'eyes' and their 'hearts' instead of God's word which is the only truth.
@Rileyportbay The delusion talked about in 2Thess2 is sent by God/allowed by God to come. We are not told what the delusion is specifically, but we are told the delusion will cause those who do not love the truth (God's word) to believe the lie.The lie is the anti-christ/satan as he is described/referenced in 2Thess2 as 'setting himself up as god' in the temple of God.
One example of the delusion (and there will be more than this) is the false prophet calling fire down FROM Heaven.
@boltingpuppies Would you mind telling me the scripture that says the false prophet will call fire down from heaven? Boy, I have a lot to learn. I thought that would have been part of God's judgement. I'm still learning... ( :
"He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down OUT OF HEAVEN to the earth in the presence of men."
This will be very convincing to those who trust their eyes and hearts instead of the Word of God. Yeshua has told us this ahead of time in order to protect us from the lie. We're all still learning :) He will teach us in His word and through His Spirit. May He lead us both into all truth! Blessings to you :)
@boltingpuppies After the Rapture He will give the delusion to those that are non-Christians left to blame the millions of disappearances on. Paul clearly states this. Not that those people would believe the Truth even when they see the Rapture with their own eyes. God allows them to believe the lie to get the religious fence post sitters to finally pick a side. He already knows how much we love Him. He has no need to test us, but allows us to test ourselves.
Study the WHOLE Book of 2 Thessalonians. Study 2 Timothy as well. The evidence of a Pre-Tribulation Rapture faith of Paul and the Early Church are everywhere in the New Testament. Post- Tribulations beliefs didn’t come around until after the beginning of the Great Crusades. .
There is a distinct difference between The Rapture and The Revelations. The first one He comes to collect his Bride, the second He come to rebuild the Heavens and Earth. Just because they are found described in one book by John does not mean you can lump them into once event. They are spaced seven years apart.
While you are at it, study John's Message to the Church in Philadelphia. Study the WHOLE thing. It is easy to take and twist one verse but the overall whole books of The Holy Bible give ONE message. It also wouldn’t hurt you to do some studying of Jewish Laws, Feasts, and Marriage Agreements. Christ does everything in harmony with the Old Testament, so why would you believe He would stop doing so now?
Yes, let's read ALL the letters to the churches, including the ones that say Yeshua will cast one into GREAT TRIBULATION and another one He will fight with the Sword of His mouth (He comes with a sword at His second coming and they are here!). The church of Philadelphia is promised to be kept from the tribulation BECAUSE they kept the word of HIs patience (in coming--they know where and when to hide). They are given a CONDITIONAL promise- it's not to all the churches.
Speaking of the Jewish Feasts, yes study them! They line up with Post-trib perfectly. Let's study and see when the Revelation says the marriage takes place--Revelation shows it happening AFTER the tribulation after God's wrath is poured out. Isaiah shows a great banquet taking place on earth--not in heaven.
@YsaAshenkin Paul says that the 'Day of the Lord' and 'our gathering together to HIm' are one day. He calls it 'that day' when referring to both events. Only modern day men teach a pre-tribulation rapture. Jesus, Paul, Job, John, Peter, Joel, Isaiah and the early church teach a post-tribulation rapture.
Paul is extrememely clear--the resurrection must take place BEFORE anyone who is alive and REMAINS UNTIL THE COMING OF THE LORD will ever be caught up. Study the RESURRECTION. The resurrection is the 'key' to rapture timing.
No one will be raptured until AFTER the dead in Christ are resurrected. This can be found in 'the' rapture passage 1 Thessalonians 4. Revelation 20 shows that the tribulation martyrs are IN the FIRST resurrection. Blessings.
@YsaAshenkin Actually, Yeshua said He would return to gather the elect '"mmediately AFTER the tribulation of those days". Paul says He is quoting Yeshua's OWN words in 2 Thessalonians, and Yeshua was clearly stated 'AFTER the tribulation'. Paul says our gathering to Him/Yeshua will NOT come until AFTER the man of lawlessness sets himself up as god in the temple->and Daniel says this event will not happen until there are 1290 days remaining (middle of the last 7 years).
@YsaAshenkin Revelation gives a curse for what you are doing, adding too the words of the book- but you can repent from spreading the false pre-tribulation rapture teaching. A secret pre-tribulation rapture is not mentioned anywhere in scripture. Please read the bible. You never even acknowledged that you were incorrect about your very first statement. God does send the delusion, but you hadn't read the text. I really do hope you read and see His truth. I will pray for you as well.
@boltingpuppies You are preaching a false doctrine and twisting the Word of God to support your misguided views. You tell lost souls to rebuke the words of their elders just because you disagree with them. You have become so puffed up with your own pride you refuse to allow the Holy Spirit to guide your readings of the Holy Word. Listen all of you who read this. No one deceived this silly girl, she is deceiving herself and all who listen to her
@boltingpuppies You are preaching a false doctrine and twisting the Word of God to support your misguided views. You tell lost souls to rebuke the words of their elders just because you disagree with them. You have become so puffed up with your own pride you refuse to allow the Holy Spirit to guide your readings of the Holy Word. Listen all of you who read this. No one deceived this silly girl, she is deceiving herself and all who listen to her
False. Everyone knew Jesus told Peter that Peter would die, therefore they knew Peter would die before Jesus' return. The Holy Spirit told Paul that Paul must go to Jerusalem, so Paul knew Jesus couldn't come before then.John saw the last days in the Revelation so John KNEW he wasn't living in the last days. The earliest church fathers 1st-2nd century WROTE that the church would be persecuted and hiding from the anti-christ. I urge you to read scripture & stop listening to man.
@YsaAshenkin Contrary to your STRONGLY and emotionally stated opinion, bolting showed you solid Scriptural proof that God does send a delusion. Being that you said it is "Impossible to argue post or pre-tribulation if you can't get that part correct," by your own assessment you should bow out of this discussion.
Thank you sister for this video i was in the same boat!! I have come to the same truth. and it is as easy as to stop getting our ears tickled with what sounds good to us, and turn to the truth writen for all to see in the bible. They have twisted the word of God. even the first centry church did not believe in the pre, trib rapture. this is a lie and it has fooled most of the body!! what will happen is the trib will come and all that believed the lie will fall away. It is very sad!!
@egatz4u Yes, it is very sad :( We need to share these scriptures with others and hopefully they will hear them or He will bring them to their remembrance in His timing. We really do need to 'love' the truth. Thanks for sharing that you had a similar 'boat experience' :)
@egatz4u He's coming back for his Bride dressed in white! Christians going thru the Tribulation period will have a clear choice to follow or not follow Gods commands. Those who rightly choose will "grow up into the body working perfectly together edifying itself in love and growing into the head Jesus Christ".
The rapture is nothing more than the gathering up or catching away of the saints by the holy Angels, Jesus taught with emphasis the rapture. If we focus on what and how he taught this event, we would better understand the timeline and how the events will unfold. The coming of the Lord will be very noisy, for every eye shall behold him.
Also in 2 thessalonians it says "but concerning our gathering unto the Lord, let no one deceive you, for that day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed' 2 thessalonians being the context of 1 thessalonians.
BlazyJon 1 month ago
@BlazyJon Amen. Paul's meaning is clear in both letters when we read them in their context. In 2 Thessalonians 1, Paul says that our suffering (for Him) is even plain indication that we are considered worthy to be in God's Kingdom He goes on to say that God will pay back those who are afflicting us & give us relief *WHEN* the Lord Jesus is revealed in flaming fire with His angels! He actually says we are given relief WHEN the Lord Jesus is *revealed*!
boltingpuppies 1 month ago
I don't use the word rapture, but Jesus comes and takes his church to be with him after the 6th seal is opened in Revelation 6:12-17. This time period coincides with the time period of Revelation 14:14-20 which is after the 7th angel has blown his trumpet.
The trumpets of Revelation are sounded as the Lamb is opening the seals. The great tribulation happens before Jesus comes back for his church. Christians will not be on the earth when the 7 vials of the wrath of God are poured out on earth.
Skywitness 3 months ago
Let me fine tune the last part of what I just said. The church will already have been taken by Jesus when the 7 vials of the wrath of God are poured out on the earth, but during this time it appears that people who have not taken the mark of the beast, do repent and get saved. People will be getting saved after the church is taken up.
Skywitness 2 months ago
@Skywitness Thank you for your comments. I agree that the sixth seal, seventh trumpet line up, however I also see the seventh bowl also lining up with the sixth seal and seventh trumpet. Events from Revelation 16:20's seventh bowl lines up with events in Revelation 6:14 sixth seal (islands and mountains). I can see you study His word and look for His coming. Very encouraging. God bless!
boltingpuppies 2 months ago
@boltingpuppies I can see how you could think all 3 sequences take place at the same time, but when you look closer at the last sequence, the pouring out of God's wrath, it doesn't happen as the other 2 are unfolding.
Compare the events of the sounding of the trumpets with the pouring out of God's wrath. In the sounding of the trumpets evil is allowed to judge the earth for a time period. In the pouring out of God's wrath, evil, starting with the kingdom of the beast is being judged by God.
Skywitness 2 months ago
If you are going to try to teach the Bible at least paraphrase the scripture correctly and dont twist it to your own agenda. If you read Isaiah 26:19-21 and then John 14:1-3 you will see exactly where believers are during the Tribulation.
nitdiver5 3 months ago
@nitdiver5 What happens first according to 1Thessalonians 4, the resurrection or the gathering of the believers?
boltingpuppies 3 months ago
@boltingpuppies The problem that I see you're having is that you are not making a distinction between the great tribulation and the wrath of God.
After the great tribulation, Jesus comes back for his church. This is a visible event. Revelation 6:12-17. Jesus also comes back later on during a time after the last vial of the wrath of God has been poured out. He comes back this time to defeat the antichrist and his armies. This also is a visible event. Revelation 19:19-21.
Skywitness 2 months ago
@Skywitness I'm not sure why you think I do not make a distinction between the great tribulation and the wrath of God?
I do make a distinction between the great tribulation and the wrath of God. They are not interchangeable. We are in agreement on that point. We are not appointed to God's wrath but we are promised tribulation in this world.
Having said that, I still see the wrath being poured out prior to the church's removal due to the sixth seal lining up with the seventh bowl of wrath.
boltingpuppies 2 months ago
@boltingpuppies Revelation 6:17, "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"
Revelation 6:17 was said by certain people after Jesus was visibly seen. What do you think is meant by the phrase, "For the great day of his wrath is come"?
I think the phrase has to do with the upcoming pouring out of the 7 vials of the wrath of God which leads up to the great supper of God where the birds of the air feast on the flesh of the antichrist's armies after Jesus defeats them.
Skywitness 2 months ago
@Skywitness The church does not necessarily need to be removed in order for God to *begin* pouring out the bowls of wrath on the wicked (2Peter2:9)(Psalm 91:6-8). I think we see things very, very similarly with some slight variation at the very end. We are very near in our understanding.
boltingpuppies 2 months ago
@boltingpuppies Have you noticed within the opening of the seals and the the sounding of the trumpets there are references which show the church is still on earth and Jesus hasn't taken the church yet. But when it comes to the pouring out of the vials of the wrath of God, you don't see references to the church. The only verse that comes close is:
Revelation 16:15, "Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame."
Skywitness 2 months ago
@boltingpuppies The verse in Revelation 16:15, I think is talking to those people who repented and accepted Jesus after the church was taken.
Skywitness 2 months ago
@nitdiver5 I am a sincere studier of our Lord's word. I am not 'twisting it to fit my own agenda'. I only want His truth. I decided to take it as it is written and to accept His truth as written. I have no quarrel with you.
Regarding Isaiah, with all due respect, 'indignation' (i.e. God's anger) and 'tribulation' are not the same thing. Great passage talking about the resurrection. Notice that Isaiah's body will be raised with the Messiah's dead believers. When is that resurrection?
boltingpuppies 3 months ago
What Bible are you reading from, what version?
loveisblinddontblink 3 months ago
@loveisblinddontblink I use the NASB in most of my videos but I believe I used the NIV in this one. A great website to use for comparing passages in different versions or translations is blueletterbibledotorg. I regularly use the KJV, NASB and YLT for my personal studies as well as the Septuagint. Blueletter lets me compare the passages easily, you can check 1Thess 4 there. I'm glad to see we both love our Jesus/Yeshua and that He is our Lord and Savior. Lots of love in Him.
boltingpuppies 3 months ago
Can I please mirror this video and point back to your channel? Thank you for this.
LoneStar1776 3 months ago
@LoneStar1776 Yes, you may do this with any of my videos. Blessings in our Savior.
boltingpuppies 3 months ago
What infantile BULLS..
ndzoko 4 months ago
Same here. Back in the seventies I was with a group that preached the Pre-Trib Rapture. I had no reason not to believe it. But when I started studying the Bible for myself—AND taking what it said to its logical conclusion, I realized that the Pre-Trib Rapture was nothing but a fairy-tale which could only be arrived at by a COMPLETE misunderstanding of what the Scripture ACTUALLY teaches. Unfortunately, such a fairy-tale approach is all too common—and NOT just in regard to the Rapture.
VOLKHVORONOVICH 4 months ago
@VOLKHVORONOVICH Isn't it amazing what He reveals to us when we actually read what His written word says? You're right, it happens with many other things besides the rapture. Thanks for sharing that this has happened to you as well.
boltingpuppies 4 months ago
I was taught the same lie. Like you, God revealed the last days truth to me in 1982. I can quote dozens of scriptures that confirm what you said. Since then I have learned many more things about the last days prophecies, many of which are taking place now. God also revealed to me who the Satanists are that are behind this, and what people the beast will come from. If you are interested in my research email me at Bibleprophecy1st@yahoo.com
bibleprophecy1st 6 months ago
MAT 24:15 tells of the anti-C coming ("abom. of desolation" as in Dan & 2 Thess 2; ORIG HEBR MANUSCIPTS say "abom. of The desolaTOR!"); THEN AFT THIS in v 21 "For THEN shall be great TRIBULATION such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be;" THEN AFT THAT v 29 Immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
ballistix01 7 months ago
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Cont'd: 30 -"And THEN (CHRONOLOGICALLY AFTERWARD FROM MATT 24: 29, ABOVE!) shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn-" (because they believed the pre-trib bunk & were deceived by satan coming 1st claimg 2 b christ come 2 fly u!), "-& they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds (crowds/hosts!) of heaven with power & great glory!"
ballistix01 7 months ago
CLINCHER: IF U R STILL IN YOUR FLESH (WHEN THE ANTI-C ARRIVES 1STLY B4 THE TRUE SAVIOR CLAIMING TO BE THE SAVIOR/CHRIST (@ "6,6,6") as per: 1 Cor 15:52, then U WILL KNOW HE'S A FAKE & LIAR, 4 we will all be CHANGED INTO OUR "RUWACH/PNEUMA" (NEW SPIRITUAL BODIES) "IN THE WINK OF AN EYE" WHEN TRUE CHRIST RETURNS JUST AFT (777)! = BIBLICAL FACT.
ballistix01 7 months ago
THE ONES "TAKEN FIRSTLY IN THE FIELD OR AT THE LOOM" ("1 shall be taken, the other, left") R TAKEN BY THE ANTI-CHRIST & NOT OUR TRUE LORD & SAVIOR! BUT IT'S TAUGHT THE EXACT OPPOSITE by DECEIVED PRE-TRIBBERS RENDERING IT MOOT JUST AS SATAN TRIED TO TWIST SCRIPTURE WHEN HE TEMTED CHRIST IN WILDERNESS BY TWISTG THE WORD 1 OR 2%! SATAN CANNOT TEMPT CHRIST W/ CHRISTS VERY OWN WORD! DON'T U BE MISLED EITHER.
ballistix01 7 months ago
Better to believe POST & have it NOT work out than have it the OPPOSITE, for no real harm would be done if 1 believes POST because U WILL BE READY REGARDLESS, but if 1 believes PRE & it IS POST (WHICH IT IS IN SCRIPTURE!) then MANY WILL BE SCREWED! Christ warned us so that a child could read & understand its POST TRIB, WHICH ALSO = AFTER ANTI-C'S WORLD ARRIVAL 2 DECEIVE WORLD THAT HE'S CHRIST COME TO FLY U OUT @ "666"(6th Seal,Trump,Vial) B4 TRUE CHRIST RETURNS @ "777"(7th Seal,Trump,Vial)
ballistix01 7 months ago
2 THESS 2: 1-12 is VERY SPECIFIC & DISPROVES THE PRE-TRIB GATHERING BACK TO CHRIST, as do again, Matt 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, Ez 13:20! The anti-c's coming FIRSTLY B4 OUR LORD claiming to BE OUR LORD COME TO FLY US OUT OF TROUBLE (THIS = MAIN PART OF THE VERY TRIB!), THEN THE TRUE CHRIST APPEARS W/ HIS ELECT/"SAINTS" WHO HELD THEIR GROUND THRU THE ANTI-C & HIS TRIB! cRAPTURE IS A DAMNABLE LIE! The end of 1 THESS 4 doesNOT address chronological Return timeframe, but these others DO. Its @ 7th/LAST!
ballistix01 7 months ago
BELOW: PRE-TRIB cRAPTURE DE-BUNKED BY GOD, CHRIST, AND PAULS OWN WORDS IN SCRIPTURE!!!! (KJV MATT 24, MARK 13, LUKE 21, 2 THESS 2, EZ 13:20!!!!)
ballistix01 7 months ago
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ballistix01 7 months ago
AGAIN, TRUST THE KJV; that damnable NIV has CHANGED THE WORDINGS IN EZ 13:18-23 (ESP V 20) SO THAT IT NOW READS ABOUT ENSNARED "BIRDS" NOT "FLY," ATTEMPTG 2 CHANGE SCRIPTURE, JUST AS SATAN TRIED TO TWIST THE WORD WHEN HE TEMPTED CHRIST IN WILDERNESS BY QUOTING TWISTED SCRIPTURE A SMALL TWEAK, THUSLY RENDERING IT VOID & CORRUPTED! FATHER H8S THE FLY-AWAY "THEORY" OF THESE END TIMES. CHECK THE KJV 4 URSELVES & THROW THAT NIV IN THE TRASH WHERE IT BELONGS ALONG W/ ANY OTHER THAT DEVI8S FR THE KJV!
ballistix01 7 months ago
The Scriptural "Thief in the Night" = reference to SATAN, NOT CHRIST (CHRIST IS NOT A THIEF NOR IS HE OF THE NIGHT/DARK!), BUT LUCIFER IS THE THIEF who comes 1ST'LY CLAIMG 2 b the True Christ @ "666" ("6th Seal,Trumpet,Vial") B4 OUR TRUE CHRIST who comes to DESTROY THE WICKED 1 AFT THOSE DAYS OF TRIB, @ "777!" MATT 24, MARK 13, LU 21, 2 THESS 2 ALL SAY POST TRIB! THOSE LEFT WORKING IN THE FIELD ETC R NOT TAKEN BY THE FALSE 1, BUT STAY WORKING IN GOD'S FIELD TIL VERY END & NOT OTHER WAY AROUND!
ballistix01 7 months ago
THERE IS NO PRE-TRIB GATHERING BACK TO CHRIST, & THE WORD cRAPTURE IS NOT IN SCRIPTURE NOR HAS IT EVER BEEN, NOR SHOULD NOR WILL IT BE. STOP THE EXTREME DANGER OF BEING MISLED & DECEIVED BY LISTENING TO SOME1 ELSE TELL U WHAT WORD SAYS INSTEAD OF RESEARCHING/READN 4 URSELVES in KJV! Scripturally, Christ is returning HERE TO EARTH w/ HIS ELECT 2 establish His Kingdom HERE, @ LAST TRUMP (7th or "7,7,7"); ANTI-C COMES 1stly b4hand @ "6,6,6" CLAIMG 2 B CHRIST COME TO FLY U ALL AWAY! DONT FALL 4 IT!
ballistix01 7 months ago
@ballistix01 Christ comes back immediately *after* the tribulation of those days, amen.
boltingpuppies 7 months ago
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@boltingpuppies ("Christ comes back immediately *after* the tribulation of those days, amen"): Yes, u r Scripturally correct (because u accurately quoted It!) as per KJV !! Matt 24, Mark 13, Luke 21 (ALL Christs very own Words), 2 Thess 2 (Pauls), & Ez 13:18-23 (specifically v 20, Father God's very own Words)) where in the OT LONNNG ago it was writ!
ballistix01 7 months ago
GATHERING BACK TO THE TRUE CHRIST = @ THE LAST or AKA the 7th SEAL, TRUMP, VIAL or "7,7,7;" & NOT until AFTER the FALSE 1 shows up (b4hand @ "666!") CLAIMG 2 b CHRIST COME TO FLY U ALL AWAY! RE: KJV (NOT that bloody, lying NIV!) MATT 24, MARK 13, LUKE 21 (all Christ's Own Words), 2 THESS 2 (Paul's correction of what many @ the time misunderstood 1 Thess 4!), EZ 13:18-23 (God's Own Words writ long b4 the FALSE pre-trib notion!). IT'S JUST d OPPOSITE OF WHAT PRE-TRIBBERS FALSELY TEACH! Its POST
ballistix01 7 months ago
1 Thess 4 st8s that those who'r ALRDY PASSED ON WILL d TRUE CHRIST BRING WITH HIM & NOT THE TIMING OF THE GATHERING BACK TO HIM! "Clouds" DOESNT mean sky as we know 2day but "CROWDS" as in GATHERG OF MULTITUDES & Paul st8d "we run the race as in a CLOUD" or as in a "CLOUD of locusts"), & the word "air" does NOT = "sky" (but Grk word pneuma transl8d from Hebr RUWACH = "Father's Holy Spirit Breathe of Life Bodies as what He breathed n2 Adam's nostrils in GEN), & its @ THE FARTHEST/LAST TRUMP (777)
ballistix01 7 months ago
KJV !! Matt 24,Mark 13,Luke 21, 2 Thess 2, Ez 13:20 & the Revelation etc, which the pre-tribbers conveniently IGNORE 2 TEACH, ALL ST8 POST-TRIB GATHER BACK 2 TRUE CHRIST @ 777, AFTER d FALSE 1/ANTI-C SHOWS UP @ 666: B4 777! 1stly CLAIM'G 2 b CHRIST COME 2 FLY U ALL AWAY! 1's "taken in the field" etc r NOT TAKEN BY CHRIST BUT BY THE FALSE 1 1stly, WHICH PRE-TRIB cRAPTURISTS TEACH the WRONG-WAY AROUND!1 Thess 4 doesnt address chronologica
ballistix01 7 months ago
The sad thing the devil is doing is bringing Christians against Christians on this rapture. If u want to be here during the tribulation, then that's u. Don't get mad or put somebody down when they don't believe like u do. We are all wrong for doing that. We have to believe what we believe and whatever happens in the end, happens. Acts 2:38.
rossdaboss1959 8 months ago
People just read scriptures, but don't understand anything about prophecy. One need to understand prophecy first, then speak. So many are going to be hurt to their hearts when they miss the rapture. How are we going to see the mansions that Jesus set up for us. U are being fooled. U will see very shortly.
rossdaboss1959 8 months ago
@rossdaboss1959 Hello Ross, I think you mean well, but you are currently deceived. I consider you my brother because you are looking for Jesus to come, and amen He will come. In loving Him, we must believe what Jesus and His Apostles and Prophets said. Paul said the resurrection will happen *before* anyone who is alive and remains is caught up(raptured). The Prophet Job said no-man will rise(resurrect) before the Heavens are *no more*. We either believe the Apostles and Prophets or we don't.
boltingpuppies 8 months ago
@boltingpuppies will i guest u don't.
rossdaboss1959 8 months ago
@rossdaboss1959 Actually, I do agree with Paul...the resurrection must take place before the rapture. Actually, I do agree with Job, no one will rise/resurrect *until* the heavens are *no more*. Revelation tells us this event takes place at the 6th seal. Jesus says the elect will be gathered *immediately after* the tribulation. I believe Jesus, Paul and Job. It is you who do not believe Jesus, Paul or Job and you are greatly deceived in this area and deceiving others.
boltingpuppies 8 months ago
@boltingpuppies u might believe, but u don't understand. The church is not Israel. Read Revelation 4th n 5th chapters to see the church in heaven with crowns already. We are made kings n priests. Read Revelation 1:6. it's one thing to read n another to understand. Daniel prayed for his people, not the church. Jacob's trouble. They have one more week to fulfill on earth. Only 69 were fulfilled. That's why 144,000 of the tribe of Israel will be sealed during that time. The church is already sealed
rossdaboss1959 8 months ago
@rossdaboss1959 I want you to know that I do not believe the church has *replaced* Israel, but I do believe that gentile believers in Yeshua are no longer foreigners/gentiles, rather we have been grafted into Israel (believers in YHVH) through faith in Yeshua. Paul says we are no longer foreigners or strangers but rather we are fellow citizens in Israel and are also heirs to the covenant(S) of promise.
The pre-tribulation rapture is a form of replacement theology.
Resurrection First.
boltingpuppies 8 months ago
@boltingpuppies God is dealing with a spiritual people, the church, Jew n gentiles. He's still going to deal with his natural people, hebrew Israelite. Read Romans 9,10,11th chapter. That's not replacement theology. Post trib believe that. That's why they try to over look the natural Hebrew Israelites. God will deal with Natural Israel again. Not those people out there who call themselves Jews. Genesis 10:3 shows they come down from Japheth, not Shem.
rossdaboss1959 8 months ago
@rossdaboss1959 I absolutely agree that God does still have covenant with the blood descendants of Israel. This does not negate that gentile believers in Yeshua are grafted into Israel and are no longer aliens but fellow citizens to the commonwealth of Israel....just like there were non-blood Israelites who left Egypt and were part of the Sinai covenant and became Israel.
None of this overrules what scripture states plainly. The resurrection comes *first*, then the rapture will take place.
boltingpuppies 8 months ago
@boltingpuppies The first resurrection is all that make it to the 1,000 year reign. Those that got up when Jesus got up. Matthew 27:52. All the apostles and those that died in the Lord n even die in the Lord today, the raptured church, those that die in the tribulation after giving their lives to Christ, is in the first resurrection. Revelation 20th chapter. The second resurrection don't have any power. That's those that come to the white throne to be judged.
rossdaboss1959 8 months ago
@rossdaboss1959 I agree that all those you mentioned will be in the first resurrection, which takes place at Jesus' coming. While many people were 'raised from the dead' back into their natural bodies, there are only three resurrections mentioned in scripture. The resurrection of Jesus, the resurrection of saints at His coming, the resurrection at the end of the 1000 year reign at the Great White throne judgement. The first resurrection of believers will take place at Christ's coming. Amen.
boltingpuppies 8 months ago
@boltingpuppies I will let u have the last word, but i can't agree fully with your Amen. We'll just wait n see.
rossdaboss1959 8 months ago
Thank you for posting. Very accurate. !!!!
svweichert 9 months ago
@svweichert His word is true! Blessings in our Savior.
boltingpuppies 9 months ago
True Story: Jewish Grooms return with a shout and a trumpet blast to abduct their brides after the Groom's father approves the place the Groom has prepared. He stands outside the city and the Bride goes out to him where he marries her and then abducts her and they go away to consummate the marriage for SEVEN days. At the end of the 7 days, they return to the city for the marriage supper. The guests there include anyone invited by the Father of the Groom. Look it up if you don't believe me.
Rogueoftroy 10 months ago
This message is in error...D dilusion is within d confusion of d concept of "the rapture" someone with a deceitful plan conjured up this doctrine which will continue 2deceive/trick many in d body of d church..Christ warned us of d leavens of the Pharisees false doctrines..THIS MESSAGE IS NOT ROOTED IN CHRIST..
ANY WHO IS WAITING ON CHRIST 2RETURN IN D CLOUDS 2B SAVED IN HIS 1ST RESURRECTION WILL FIND THEMSELVES BEING LEFT BEHIND &PERISHING IN HELL..BELIEVE NOW JESUS ROSE FROM D GRAVE &B SAVED.
hazell77 11 months ago
@hazell77 Hi hazell77. I'm a bit confused by what you have written here. The first part of your comment sounds like you are post-trib and the second part of your comment sounds like you are pre-trib. Perhaps you could clarify. It sounds like you are a pre-tribber although you don't give any scriptural reasons as to why? Thank you for watching.
boltingpuppies 11 months ago
@hazell77 totally agree with you.
brazilian777able 9 months ago
@hazell77 Amen Amen
rossdaboss1959 8 months ago
Well, we'll be caught up in the twinkling of an eye, (extremely fast so as not to be seen by others)! We'll attend the marriage supper, (After our wedding to the bridegroom), after seven yrs. He will return and EVERYONE WILL SEE HIM coming (with His bride, the saints, US! we'll war with the Antichrist and the Assyrian, Muslim confederacy and their Madahi. We'll win, because 2/3's of the angels are still with YHVH, plus us! How will he keep us down here then quick rapture, the fastest wedding an
ymoore2563 1 year ago
My experience with this false doctrine is almost identical to yours. I had been raised up in the pre-trib doctrine and had no reason to doubt it until the Lord showed me the truth in scripture. Pre-trib is everywhere and I didn't know anyone who believed otherwise. I stumbled across your video and it has been a great comfort to me. Thanks for sharing your experience and doing such a great job on this.
SpiceForest 1 year ago
@SpiceForest Thank you for sharing your experience here for all of our brothers & sisters to read. It is a comfort to learn others are holding to His word too. I'm reminded of Elijah who thought he was alone. Our Lord revealed to him 7,000 others He had reserved who also had not bowed their knee to Baal. I'm glad He is showing us other brothers & sisters on you-tube who trust inHis words--because there will come a time when we won't see many others of like mind, if any. Yeshua bless you!
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
the rapture is pre-trib
receivejesusnow 1 year ago
@receivejesusnow - Oh, hi again!! So you are here too! I just wanted to step in and say Jesus didn't think so! Nor did the apostles, including Peter, John and Paul. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I'd rather listen to my Lord and them!! :)
You have a good trait though - persistence!! :))
arovir 1 year ago
@arovir If you were to listen to the Lord, you would have known that the Rapture was indeed pre-trib. The twenty and four elders is the Raptured Church, the two groups of 144,000 are repented people during the Tribulation at different points of time. I do not expect you to repent any time soon, you have the Bible and the words of the prophets, if you do not believe in what they really say, then you will not even believe a person raised from the dead to tell you the truth.
receivejesusnow 1 year ago
@receivejesusnow - Dear me! You sound so serious! Loosen up a bit, will you! :D
Actually, I AM listening to the Lord! He told me I was wrong about pre-trib 21 years ago (after I had gathered what I thought was water-tight evidence FOR the validity of the pre-trib doctrine). He then showed me in His Word why I was wrong. I repented back then! :D
For the record the 24 elders are... wait for it... 24 elders!! And guess, what the saints on earth in the tribulation are... saints (like you and me)!!
arovir 1 year ago
@arovir and I am pretty aware that people nowadays do not listen to His Prophets
receivejesusnow 1 year ago
@receivejesusnow - You're right! His true prophets are few and far between. It's alarming that so many are listening to the false prophets Jesus said would abound in the end time leading many astray.
Seems to me there are only two ways for you to see the coming reality; either by revelation - your eyes being opened to what's really in Scripture, or else you seeing the Antichrist on TV one day. I hope for your own sake you will experience the former alternative before experiencing the last one.
arovir 1 year ago
@arovir yea but what if you were wrong? And what if those false prophets (which do not publicise themselves) are actually true prophets sent by God? You need to call on the Holy Spirit and maybe God will grant you some wisdom on this subject. Debating is not good because it rose from the lack of an absolute authority figure.
receivejesusnow 1 year ago
@receivejesusnow - My absolute authority is the unadulterated written Word of God. Unlike you, I do not look to "prophets" to tell me what I should believe concerning the return of Christ. The Holy Spirit illuminates the Word of God, giving wisdom to identify man-made fantasy that does not line up with the truth of the Scriptures. The conviction I have had for the last 21 years concerning the post-trib position is stronger than ever. The truth is not comfortable, but I rejoice in knowing it.
arovir 1 year ago
@arovir so what you are saying is that if you lived at the times of Jesus's Apostles, you would not hear them?
receivejesusnow 1 year ago
@receivejesusnow The apostle Peter wrote: "your faith... tested by fire... be found to result in... glory and honor at the REVELATION of Jesus Christ" 1 Pet 1:7. The apostle John wrote: "when He is REVEALED, we shall be like Him" 1 Joh 3:2. The apostle Paul wrote: "awaiting eagerly the REVELATION of our Lord Jesus Christ" 1 Cor 1:7. Christ said He will be revealed AFTER the great tribulation, Matt 24:29-30. I do listen to the apostles; I await the REVELATION of Christ post-trib. You should too!
arovir 1 year ago
@arovir you're messing up the Rapture, the Glorious Appearing, and the First Resurrection, are't you?
receivejesusnow 1 year ago
@receivejesusnow - We've gone through this several times now, but I will repeat :) Allowing Scripture to speak without any pre-conceived idea we see the First Resurrection happening just prior to the Rapture which happens at the Glorious Appearing. You say you don't have time to watch any of my videos, but this is the essence of them. One video you can watch which deals with the timing of the First resurrection is: "The First Resurrection and The Last trumpet". You won't find any mess there! :)
arovir 1 year ago
@arovir I've told you and told you many times before too, haven't I? Open up your ears and eyes. The Rapture happens first, then the tribulation comes, then the Lord will come back, defeat the Antichrist and start His 1,000 year kingdom from Jerusalem, after the Final Battle, New Jerusalem will come out from Heaven and the Lord and His people will reign with Him forever and ever! If I watch your videos, I'm allowing the devils to get a hold of me, and I will not allow that.
receivejesusnow 1 year ago
@receivejesusnow - This is getting ridiculously hilarious, if it wasn't a serious matter. (Get that?)
I think it strange/funny (take your pick!) that when someone doesn't agree with someone else on a minor point in a non-damnable theological question, it's so easy to accuse the other person's teaching of being inspired by devils! How helpful!! ;)
I used to believe and teach like you do about the end-time, but I was just mistaken not inspired by devils!!
I assure you the devils hate my videos!
arovir 1 year ago
@receivejesusnow
Arovir is telling you the truth.
1)Paul says the dead in Christ must rise FIRST. Do you dispute Paul, that the dead believers must rise FIRST before anyone living is raptured?
2) Paul says those who are 'alive and remain' are 'alive and remaining' UNTIL THE COMING OF THE LORD. Do you dispute Paul on this?
3) The Revelation says the FIRST resurrection INCLUDES tribulation martyrs. Do you dispute Jesus that this is the FIRST resurrection?
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
@boltingpuppies You must immediately ask the Lord to rebuke the Devil in you. First when the trumpet sounds, graves will split open and the dead saved will rise, then we who are still alive (the saved ones) will rise together WITH THEM to meet the Lord in the air. Do not twist the Apostle Paul's words. ummm... The Rapture is not the First Resurrection? -.-
receivejesusnow 1 year ago
@receivejesusnow
This part you have correct: Trumpet sounds, graves open, saved dead rise, then we who are still alive & remain (saved ones) will be caught up together w/them to meet the Lord in the air.
Jesus returns to: Resurrect>THEN>Rapture. Correct.
This is the FIRST resurrection according to Revelation 20--not my words, Jesus' words.
Do you casually tell people they have a Devil in them--especially believers in Jesus--over different understanding? You don't have much fear of God.
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
@boltingpuppies You're getting it all wrong. It's like post-tribbers have no hope! Jesus comes back first to rapture His church, after that, the Tribulation happens! And you see what you are, brother. There are way more phases to this End Times than you think.
receivejesusnow 1 year ago
@receivejesusnow - According to the Bible our hope is eternal life / resurrection / to receive a body like Christ has (those who know their Bible and read this are nodding their heads). Our hope is not to go to heaven before the going gets tough. Paul is emphatic - Acts 14:22: We must through many tribulations enter the Kingdom of God. So from here to Kingdom come there are many tribulations, small... and great. After that we are caught up to meet Christ when He comes to reign on earth. Prepare.
arovir 1 year ago
@arovir Amen, good comment.
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
@receivejesusnow Please answer the following questions: Why when the rapture was not taught as imminent by Christ, apostles or for over 1900 yrs are you now teaching imminency?Why if you say Mt24 was for Jews and John was one of the Jews do you say in Rev.4 that he represents the church. If he is the church there shouldn't he be the church in Mt24?How many resurrections are there? I read of 2. You require 3.If tons of people are saved during the 7 yrs, why (cont.)
conniemaew 9 months ago
@receivejesusnow are they not indwelt by the Holy Spirit? & how if the 7 yrs. are God's wrath can anyone be saved if Christians are not appointed to wrath.They would be in the midst of it. & why if it is God's wrath and not Satan's wrath does God pour out His wrath only on His own children instead of the wicked in the 5th seal?Why do you call the 70th week of Daniel the tribulation when there is nothing in the Bible that indicates that that term applies to the 7 yrs. If the rapture is so
conniemaew 9 months ago
@receivejesusnow secret, why do you say that the verses saying He will come in the clouds with great glory refer to the rapture? That's hardly secret.
conniemaew 9 months ago
@receivejesusnow - I sincerely hope you take back what you accuse boltingpuppies of having in her. From her answers you can see that what you think of her is not true. If she is twisting Paul's words then I have 47 pairs of bi-focals on my nose. Just look at the rapture passage in 1 Thess 4. Contrary to what you have been taught and maybe read about in end-time books, there's absolutely nothing pre-trib about it! Look carefully and you will find plenty of hints that it's a post-trib scenario...
arovir 1 year ago
@arovir I can't take back truths I have learnt from Baxter. The main reason post-trib is CONTRADICTORY to the Bible is that it does NOT match up to the Lord's personality. Listen to the modern prophets, brother!
receivejesusnow 1 year ago
@receivejesusnow - You write "I can't take back truths I have learnt from Baxter. The main reason post-trib is CONTRADICTORY to the Bible is that it does NOT match up to the Lord's personality. Listen to the modern prophets, brother!"
I say "I can't take back truths I have learnt from JESUS. The main reason PRE-trib is contradictory to the Bible is that it does not match up to the Lord's WORD. Listen to the APOSTLES OF OLD!"
What sounds better? Huh?
For once you make commenting on YT fun!
arovir 1 year ago
@arovir My dear, Jesus Himself said that He would come back first to rapture the Church. Even the Apostles believed in the Rapture of the Church PRE-TRIB, it's just that you can't interpret it correctly. The Apostles and Jesus said the same thing, it's just that you are twisting the words to suit your own hypothesis. You read it from the wrong angle. In the Bible Jesus already said that in the Last Days, modern prophets would rise. But you aren't listening to Jesus now. IT IS JESUS TALKING.
receivejesusnow 1 year ago
@receivejesusnow I say: OH dear, Jesus Himself said that He would come back AFTER THE TRIBULATION. Even the Apostles believed in WHAT JESUS HAD TAUGHT THEM, it's just that you can't interpret it correctly. The Apostles and Jesus said the same thing, it's just that you are twisting the words to suit your own hypothesis. You read it from the wrong angle. In the Bible Jesus already said that in the Last Days, FALSE prophets would rise. But you aren't listening to Jesus now. IT IS JESUS TALKING
:)
arovir 1 year ago
@receivejesusnow In case you are wondering why I had to revise your comment, these are the Scriptures I am referring to:
AFTER THE TRIBULATION -
Matt 24:29-31; Mark 13:24-27; etc
WHAT JESUS HAD TAUGHT THEM -
1 Pet 1:7; 1 John 3:2; 1 Cor 1:7; 1 Thess 4:15-17; etc
FALSE prophets -
Matt 24:24; Mark13:22; etc
You seem to like the word "twist". You have used it in several comments. Are you sure you don't want to... "twist again, like we did last summer..." ;D
Have a nice day reading the Word!
arovir 1 year ago
@arovir You really have a lot of things messed up. I hope one day you start listening to Jesus instead of only yourself and your interpretation.
receivejesusnow 1 year ago
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@receivejesusnow
You say: "You really have a lot of things messed up. I hope one day you start listening to Jesus instead of only yourself and your interpretation."
I say: "You really have a lot of things messed up. I hope one day you start listening to Jesus instead of only yourself and your interpretation."
You can start by checking out what Jesus says just after the sixth vial. Shall I give you the reference? ;)
Can you please tell me what on earth that utterance is doing there???
arovir 1 year ago
@receivejesusnow Would you mind pointing me to a direct statement in the Bible saying the rapture is pre-tribulation? You said the 24 elders are the raptured church - can you tell me how you know this?
Jimvesterstallone 1 year ago
@Jimvesterstallone why don't you check my Rapture verse vid, check every verse and all it says is pre-trib pre-trib pre-trib
receivejesusnow 1 year ago
@receivejesusnow Please provide at least one verse 'directly stating' the rapture is 'prior' to the resurrection for Jimvesterstallone and all reading.
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
@boltingpuppies I will not give you a verse. I'll give you a book. The Book of Revelation and its context clearly shows that the Rapture comes before the Resurrection. The Rapture is shown at around Rev 4 and the Resurrection is shown at Rev 20. And at the same paragraph is the saints, both taken in the Rapture and those left behind and repented over time, and Christ reigning for a thousand years. Read your kjv bible.
receivejesusnow 1 year ago
@receivejesusnow That's right, you don't have a verse to give.The Revelation is not written in chronological order.The 'rapture' passage, 1Thes4, the one talking about a catching away of living believers, is VERY clear that the resurrection must take place BEFORE any of the living believers are ever caught up.Revelation 20 tells us those beheaded for not taking the mark of the beast are IN the FIRST resurrection.You don't believe Jesus & you are earning the curse promised to those who add to it.
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
@boltingpuppies not in chronological order? Then you do not understand the Bible at all. Even Matthew 24 has a chronology.
receivejesusnow 1 year ago
@receivejesusnow The rapture (gathering of the elect) is immediately after the tribulation of those days according to Jesus in Matthew 24. According to Job, no one will be resurrected before the heaven is 'no more'. According to Paul, the dead in Christ must rise before anyone living is ever 'caught up'. Paul says the living will in 'no way precede' the dead. The resurrection must happen before the rapture. Jesus says the resurrection happens on the 'last day' about 3 times in John. BlessU
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
@boltingpuppies I love how people pretend they are Bible Scholars but they don't even use a King James Version, which is an essential foundation to being a fundamental Christian.
People who don't reverence a KJV shouldn't be allowed to teach Bible to anyone.
enough said.
bocagrl 1 year ago
@bocagrl KJV is a great translation. Beautiful guitar playing, I'm listening to you right now.
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
AMEN!!! Glory To God In The Highest for the True Revelation of His Word!! Hallelujah!! Thanks Sis for sharing God's Word is TRUTH and we must ALL be in prayer and in His Word and Prayer DAILY! It's awesome to see other believers out there that hold to the Word Of God and Truth!! Come Quickly Lord Jesus!! It will be great to go home!! Richard
shakleeguy2007 1 year ago
@shakleeguy2007 Amen! His word is truth! The elect will be on earth through the dark days of tribulation, EVEN SO, come Lord Jesus!
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
It's interesting to note the passage where he say's that believers will MEET the Lord in the air. Every other place in scripture the word translated as MEET is used in the context one someone going out to greet a visitor ( like when the elders of a city would go to the city gates to MEET dignitaries that were arriving and escort them in ). The same word translated here as "MEET" in the KJV means the same thing. We will rise and go out to MEET the Lord and escort Him in. (not fly away
jamesbabyar 1 year ago
@jamesbabyar - A very telling illustration of our MEETING Christ at His return can be found in John 12. Here we read of when He came to Jerusalem: "...the large crowd who had come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem, took the branches of the palm trees and went out to meet Him, and began to shout, Hosanna!" v.12-13.
The crowd came out of the city to MEET Christ and then escort Him back to the city.
I agree, there's no flying away to heaven at the return of Christ!
arovir 1 year ago
@arovir Excellent example of what I'm referring to.
Thanks.
jamesbabyar 1 year ago
@jamesbabyar Amen to both your comment and the scripture arovir provided.
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
Yeshua bless you, bolting! You are being persecuted for speaking Truth...GREAT is your reward in heaven. When you are insulted, you remain steady. Mud is slung at you, and you respond with a pearl of Scripture. You are encouraging to the body of Christ. :)
The mark of a true Christian is love...repenting when one is shown to be in error...all of the things you do by the Spirit of Christ dwelling within you. Pray for your adversary that he/she will come to the same place of maturity. Blessings x
Jimvesterstallone 1 year ago
The Rapture is coming! And you have the choice to go with the rest of us by becoming part of Christ’s Bride. Yet even after the Tribulation begins, you can still open your heart to Christ, and be part of the over 200 Million a day who are beheaded for you faith. Personally I prefer to meet him at the Marriage Supper.
YsaAshenkin 1 year ago
@YsaAshenkin Yes, the rapture (gathering to Christ) is coming & it is coming just when Jesus said it would "immediately after the tribulation of those days" Matthew 24.The rapture (gathering to Christ) will happen just when Paul said it would "and the dead in Christ will rise FIRST. We will in NO WAY PRECEDE them" 1Thess 4.The FIRST resurrection INCLUDES tribulation martyrs beheaded for their faith (Revelation 20). Tribulation martyrs ARE part of the bride. To say otherwise is GREAT insult.
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
@boltingpuppies I pity you. You choose to be so blind. If you feel insulted by the Truth, then that tells me what spirit really inspires you. I will contenue to pray for you and all those who allow themselves to be lead astry by your lies and half-truths.
YsaAshenkin 1 year ago
@YsaAshenkin Please realize that you are starting to step beyond insulting me and are in danger of insulting His Spirit. I don't hold your words said towards me against you, but I warn you not to insult the Spirit that inspires me. I say this for your Spiritual health and well being, not to egg you on. Again, I don't hold anything you have said about me against you . For your own sake I will not be continuing this discussion. Yah bless.
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
@boltingpuppies Oh! Hi! :D
I think your decision is wise.
Jimvesterstallone 1 year ago
@YsaAshenkin - Demonizing people who think differently is an old tactic to demoralize, but know this: She is strong in the Lord.
Your prayers will not be heard; they will only remind God to bless boltingpuppies even more.
And remember this: If you are still alive when the great tribulation begins and you still haven't had your eyes opened, then YOU will need pity. You will be so unprepared and in desperation. Then you will be wondering who's been spreading what you call "lies and half-truths".
arovir 1 year ago
@YsaAshenkin - Another thing: God is much, much more concerned with how you treat your sister than with what you may or may not believe concerning events that haven't transpired yet. In any case, they are pre-set and cannot be changed, but your unworthy behavior can be changed! Desire God's smile over your life rather than His frown which is what is over you at this moment. Then you might just receive eye-salve to view into the future more correctly in the light of His Word.
arovir 1 year ago
@arovir I am already praying and will continue to pray for those of you who are so blinded by the enemy that you support this Jezebel’s preaching of heresies. You don't see the Truth now I doubt you will see the Truth when the Rapture does happen.
YsaAshenkin 1 year ago
Only one spirit twists the Word of God to say what it wants to say , claims that God lies to test our love, and then encourages rebellion against the elders of the Church and it isn’t the Holy Spirit. You all choose to follow where this other spirit leads. Live through the days of the Great Tribulation as you wish. So be it.
YsaAshenkin 1 year ago
@YsaAshenkin What elders of what church? If the elders of ANY church are deviating from Scripture don't listen to them. If they are not, then do.
Is your church oppressing you? My friend went to a church where they dictated where, when & how often he could meet with a girl,etc. This is oppression and not the place of the elders of any church anywhere. I don't know what age you are, but Scripture says you are to obey 1) your parents & 2) God. Commanded obedience to leaders is the mark of a cult.
Jimvesterstallone 1 year ago
@YsaAshenkin I agree with your other 2 points. The Holy Spirit will never twist the Word of God, and God cannot lie. But for some reason you are refusing to acknowledge that God DOES *send* a delusion. Are you willing to acknowledge this Scripture? Do you believe in all of Scripture?
Jimvesterstallone 1 year ago
Dig a little deeper into your Bible. God does NOT lie, but AFTER the Rapture He will veil the Truth and release the Deceiver to have free reign. It will be the only way the Anti-Christ will be able to establish his religion. What this verse is basically saying is that the Rapture will happen and those who are left behind will not believe that is has occurred. Even as all the facts are plain for them to see. But the reasone most are left is because they didn't believe in the first place.
YsaAshenkin 1 year ago
@YsaAshenkin It is good that you have at least read the verse now & are aware of its existence. But you have read a LOT into it.
Friend, no one on here has at any time said that God lies except YOU when you "rebuked" bolting because she quoted this verse which you had not yet read & YOU misunderstood, not realizing she was quoting Scripture. You read into the verse that "God lies" - but He does not! In fact He graciously arms us with the TRUTH ahead of time that He will be sending a delusion.
Jimvesterstallone 1 year ago
@YsaAshenkin Please be blessed and go in peace, read for yourself, and be cautious of what ANYONE tells you regarding Jesus' return, including us, including your elders. Take what you hear and measure it against the Word asking the Holy Spirit to guide you into all Truth. But be aware, you must WANT the Truth. Be blessed.
Jimvesterstallone 1 year ago
@Jimvesterstallone The first Gift of the Holy Spirit is sight. The abitlity to see through the lies and know the Truth. I tell you now, no matter how this girl twists the Scriptures, she does not know the Truth. Pray for this Gift so that YOU will not be lead astray by false teachers.
YsaAshenkin 1 year ago
@YsaAshenkin - In the big scheme of things you differ with her in some minor points of eschatology, though important ones for those concerned (that's why I devote my channel to this issue). And you grieve and quench the Holy Spirit because of that? I wouldn't if I were you! For every vicious comment you make you detract from your reward - a jewel is taken from your crown. At the same time you are adding to her reward in heaven (recognize the Scripture?) and providing more jewels in her crown!
arovir 1 year ago
@arovir Your sad commit only shows how lacking in the Holy Spirit the whole group of you are. I have read all the commits posted on this page. Several good Christians tried to correct this child's gross misconceptions and sick twistings of God's Word. Any one who doesn't agree with her lies gets threated and cursed. If her spirit is offended by the Truth, SO BE IT! There is only ONE TRUTH, WAY, and LIFE.
YsaAshenkin 1 year ago
@YsaAshenkin - This is getting from bad to worse! Your true colors are even clearer now. Your despicable language about a woman of God will be remembered by her God. Remember, you will be judged by your words, as the Lord said. None of the horrid things you say about her will be forgotten by God unless you repent. You have every right to disagree in theological matters, but you have no right to belittle and smear a sister in the faith who is lovingly warning the saints of coming tribulation.
arovir 1 year ago
You are preaching a false doctrine and twisting the Word of God to support your misguided views. You tell lost souls to rebuke the words of their elders just because you disagree with them. You have become so puffed up with your own pride you refuse to allow the Holy Spirit to guide your readings of the Holy Word. Listen all of you who read this. No one deceived this silly girl, she is deceiving herself and all who listen to her
YsaAshenkin 1 year ago
You are preaching a false doctrine and twisting the Word of God to support your misguided views. You tell lost souls to rebuke the words of their elders just because you disagree with them. You have become so puffed up with your own pride you refuse to allow the Holy Spirit to guide your readings of the Holy Word. Listen all of you who read this. No one deceived this silly girl, she is deceiving herself and all who listen to her
YsaAshenkin 1 year ago
@YsaAshenkin May God grant you repentance.
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
@YsaAshenkin - Will you please leave boltingpuppies alone! You have the nerve to say she is puffed up with pride, refuses to allow the Holy Spirit to guide her, and a self-deceived silly girl. None of that is true. She is a humble, meek, Holy Spirit-led and enlightened, wise woman. Don't go attacking people just because you don't agree with their end-time theology! I suggest you get down on your knees and repent of your vile attitude. And no matter what you believe, you owe her an apology.
arovir 1 year ago
Did you just say that God sent "the disillusion"? Read your Bible! God hates lies and liars, why would God send a disilusion? I'm shocked that you just called God a Deciever? The only Deciever in the Bible is Satan, so who are you really listening too? Impossible to argue post or pre-tribulation if you can't get that part correct.
YsaAshenkin 1 year ago
@YsaAshenkin
I read mine:
2 Thessalonians 2:11
"For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie."
Better get prepared, it's not pre-trib either.
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
@boltingpuppies
For anyone reading, please understand that God has warned us 'ahead of time' about the delusion. The delusion is sent by God to test those living on the earth. Those who do not LOVE the truth will believe the lie according to 2Thessalonians 2. It is VERY important that we read our bibles and know what is coming in order not to be deceived. If we love the TRUTH, His word, and read it, He says He has told us EVERYTHING ahead of time--if we love Him we will heed His warning.>>
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
@boltingpuppies
God is not the 'liar'. God sends the delusion/ or deluding influence - (think Satan) but God Himself does not lie. God ALLOWS the deluding influence to come SO THAT those who do not love God's words & His warnings that He gave ahead of time, will show their true allegiances-they will believe the liar over YHVH God. Those who love YHVH, will only trust YHVH's words. Others will trust their 'eyes' and their 'hearts' instead of God's word which is the only truth.
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
@boltingpuppies Will the delusion come from the Antichrist?
Rileyportbay 1 year ago
@Rileyportbay The delusion talked about in 2Thess2 is sent by God/allowed by God to come. We are not told what the delusion is specifically, but we are told the delusion will cause those who do not love the truth (God's word) to believe the lie.The lie is the anti-christ/satan as he is described/referenced in 2Thess2 as 'setting himself up as god' in the temple of God.
One example of the delusion (and there will be more than this) is the false prophet calling fire down FROM Heaven.
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
@boltingpuppies Would you mind telling me the scripture that says the false prophet will call fire down from heaven? Boy, I have a lot to learn. I thought that would have been part of God's judgement. I'm still learning... ( :
Rileyportbay 1 year ago
@Rileyportbay Revelation 13:13 specifically:
"He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down OUT OF HEAVEN to the earth in the presence of men."
This will be very convincing to those who trust their eyes and hearts instead of the Word of God. Yeshua has told us this ahead of time in order to protect us from the lie. We're all still learning :) He will teach us in His word and through His Spirit. May He lead us both into all truth! Blessings to you :)
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
@Rileyportbay I may do a short video on this with some words from the prophets, Jesus and Paul to help us see what we should watch out for.
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
@boltingpuppies I hope you will and I'll look forward to watching it ( : God bless you!
Rileyportbay 1 year ago
@boltingpuppies After the Rapture He will give the delusion to those that are non-Christians left to blame the millions of disappearances on. Paul clearly states this. Not that those people would believe the Truth even when they see the Rapture with their own eyes. God allows them to believe the lie to get the religious fence post sitters to finally pick a side. He already knows how much we love Him. He has no need to test us, but allows us to test ourselves.
YsaAshenkin 1 year ago
Study the WHOLE Book of 2 Thessalonians. Study 2 Timothy as well. The evidence of a Pre-Tribulation Rapture faith of Paul and the Early Church are everywhere in the New Testament. Post- Tribulations beliefs didn’t come around until after the beginning of the Great Crusades. .
YsaAshenkin 1 year ago
There is a distinct difference between The Rapture and The Revelations. The first one He comes to collect his Bride, the second He come to rebuild the Heavens and Earth. Just because they are found described in one book by John does not mean you can lump them into once event. They are spaced seven years apart.
YsaAshenkin 1 year ago
While you are at it, study John's Message to the Church in Philadelphia. Study the WHOLE thing. It is easy to take and twist one verse but the overall whole books of The Holy Bible give ONE message. It also wouldn’t hurt you to do some studying of Jewish Laws, Feasts, and Marriage Agreements. Christ does everything in harmony with the Old Testament, so why would you believe He would stop doing so now?
YsaAshenkin 1 year ago
@YsaAshenkin
Yes, let's read ALL the letters to the churches, including the ones that say Yeshua will cast one into GREAT TRIBULATION and another one He will fight with the Sword of His mouth (He comes with a sword at His second coming and they are here!). The church of Philadelphia is promised to be kept from the tribulation BECAUSE they kept the word of HIs patience (in coming--they know where and when to hide). They are given a CONDITIONAL promise- it's not to all the churches.
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
@YsaAshenkin
Speaking of the Jewish Feasts, yes study them! They line up with Post-trib perfectly. Let's study and see when the Revelation says the marriage takes place--Revelation shows it happening AFTER the tribulation after God's wrath is poured out. Isaiah shows a great banquet taking place on earth--not in heaven.
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
@YsaAshenkin Paul says that the 'Day of the Lord' and 'our gathering together to HIm' are one day. He calls it 'that day' when referring to both events. Only modern day men teach a pre-tribulation rapture. Jesus, Paul, Job, John, Peter, Joel, Isaiah and the early church teach a post-tribulation rapture.
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
@YsaAshenkin
Paul is extrememely clear--the resurrection must take place BEFORE anyone who is alive and REMAINS UNTIL THE COMING OF THE LORD will ever be caught up. Study the RESURRECTION. The resurrection is the 'key' to rapture timing.
No one will be raptured until AFTER the dead in Christ are resurrected. This can be found in 'the' rapture passage 1 Thessalonians 4. Revelation 20 shows that the tribulation martyrs are IN the FIRST resurrection. Blessings.
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
@YsaAshenkin Actually, Yeshua said He would return to gather the elect '"mmediately AFTER the tribulation of those days". Paul says He is quoting Yeshua's OWN words in 2 Thessalonians, and Yeshua was clearly stated 'AFTER the tribulation'. Paul says our gathering to Him/Yeshua will NOT come until AFTER the man of lawlessness sets himself up as god in the temple->and Daniel says this event will not happen until there are 1290 days remaining (middle of the last 7 years).
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
@boltingpuppies You have all the facts mixed up, I feel really sad for you. I will pray for you.
YsaAshenkin 1 year ago
@YsaAshenkin Revelation gives a curse for what you are doing, adding too the words of the book- but you can repent from spreading the false pre-tribulation rapture teaching. A secret pre-tribulation rapture is not mentioned anywhere in scripture. Please read the bible. You never even acknowledged that you were incorrect about your very first statement. God does send the delusion, but you hadn't read the text. I really do hope you read and see His truth. I will pray for you as well.
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
@boltingpuppies You are preaching a false doctrine and twisting the Word of God to support your misguided views. You tell lost souls to rebuke the words of their elders just because you disagree with them. You have become so puffed up with your own pride you refuse to allow the Holy Spirit to guide your readings of the Holy Word. Listen all of you who read this. No one deceived this silly girl, she is deceiving herself and all who listen to her
YsaAshenkin 1 year ago
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@boltingpuppies You are preaching a false doctrine and twisting the Word of God to support your misguided views. You tell lost souls to rebuke the words of their elders just because you disagree with them. You have become so puffed up with your own pride you refuse to allow the Holy Spirit to guide your readings of the Holy Word. Listen all of you who read this. No one deceived this silly girl, she is deceiving herself and all who listen to her
YsaAshenkin 1 year ago
@YsaAshenkin
False. Everyone knew Jesus told Peter that Peter would die, therefore they knew Peter would die before Jesus' return. The Holy Spirit told Paul that Paul must go to Jerusalem, so Paul knew Jesus couldn't come before then.John saw the last days in the Revelation so John KNEW he wasn't living in the last days. The earliest church fathers 1st-2nd century WROTE that the church would be persecuted and hiding from the anti-christ. I urge you to read scripture & stop listening to man.
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
@YsaAshenkin Contrary to your STRONGLY and emotionally stated opinion, bolting showed you solid Scriptural proof that God does send a delusion. Being that you said it is "Impossible to argue post or pre-tribulation if you can't get that part correct," by your own assessment you should bow out of this discussion.
Jimvesterstallone 1 year ago
Thank you sister for this video i was in the same boat!! I have come to the same truth. and it is as easy as to stop getting our ears tickled with what sounds good to us, and turn to the truth writen for all to see in the bible. They have twisted the word of God. even the first centry church did not believe in the pre, trib rapture. this is a lie and it has fooled most of the body!! what will happen is the trib will come and all that believed the lie will fall away. It is very sad!!
egatz4u 1 year ago
@egatz4u Yes, it is very sad :( We need to share these scriptures with others and hopefully they will hear them or He will bring them to their remembrance in His timing. We really do need to 'love' the truth. Thanks for sharing that you had a similar 'boat experience' :)
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
@egatz4u He's coming back for his Bride dressed in white! Christians going thru the Tribulation period will have a clear choice to follow or not follow Gods commands. Those who rightly choose will "grow up into the body working perfectly together edifying itself in love and growing into the head Jesus Christ".
plalelal 1 year ago
The rapture is nothing more than the gathering up or catching away of the saints by the holy Angels, Jesus taught with emphasis the rapture. If we focus on what and how he taught this event, we would better understand the timeline and how the events will unfold. The coming of the Lord will be very noisy, for every eye shall behold him.
lkevins1 1 year ago
@lkevins1 Amen, we do need to focus on what Jesus said. His coming will indeed be noisy enough to wake the dead!
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
@lkevins1 Correction of statement, "Jesus taught with emphasis the rapture". Change to 'Jesus taught with emphasis the resurrection'.
lkevins1 1 year ago
@lkevins1 Amen! He did focus on the resurrection, and He is the resurrection and the life!
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
I don't understand why pre-tribbers don't just throw their bibles away! They will not believe a word you or Jesus say! They believe their pastors!!!
twross712 1 year ago
@twross712 We all should trust no man but only our Savior God. He is a rewarder of those who seek Him when they seek Him with all of thei