Ethanol: The Hidden Panacea

[youngsinfo]

Nice vid. That was awesome! Woder where this plant is?

[wags459]

I love all these comments about subsidies for Ethanol companies. Yes the Ethanol companies receive a subsidy but it only lasts for the first 2 years then they are on their own. Others complain about water use. 3 gallons of water per gallon of Ethanol. 45 Gallons of water per gallon of gasoline. As as for ethanol raising the cost of food, corn prices have dropped why hasnt the cost of food? All unanswered questions.

[jstone81783]

dude im glad you are hear to inform everyone. there are so many stupid people here. thank you

[anonymous915]

If this were financially feasable, there would be no need for subsidies. Pull the subsidies and see if this boat floats.

[jstone81783]

If there was no subsidy then the gas companies would run ethanol right out of bussiness. OIL runs the world, but you are right, But look at are government they are investing in a bankruput bussiness like Chrysler and GM. If you can make sence of it then let me know.

[2br2br2]

I'm for farmers making a profit..but not through ethanol.

I'm getting 56.7 mpg.

Think green!

HHo Ecogreen!

I get 56.7 mpg in a Chevrolet Suburban.

[frankleon1984]

Boa estratégia!! Enquanto países exportadores de petroleo aumentam os preços do barril os paises produtores de alimentos devem utilizar de seus meios para reduzir a dependencia energetica! Lembro que os principais exportadores de petroleo são importadores de alimentos!!

[darkvader47]

krayzeebean. You are 200% correct! Animals consume the most corn and we can take out the starch to make ethanol and still feed them what's left over in the form of DDGS(Dried Distillers Grain Solubles which would be better for them since cows can't DIGEST starch. No 3rd world country buys or takes our corn because it's so genetically modified, they even say it's unfit for human consumption. Now you know it's bad when starving countries won't take our corn. Brazil laughs at us and uses ethanol.

[2br2br2]

Americans..why do you insist on destroying yourselves? Ethanol is a new cancer born through the greed of polititions and farmers. Wake up ! Stop buying ethanol and start using your heads for something other than hatracks. See " HHo Ecogreen ". Ethanol is not a answer..it's a cancerous lie thats eating you and your childrens food supply!...Where are the educated people ? Where are the engineers ? Enjoy this video? Stop buying this lie that using our crops to fuel cars is the right thing to do !

[Juliusno1776]

You need to Google "Mister, Can You Spare a Paradigm?"

[brentmadison]

Hello everyone, I created this video and I hope you enjoyed it... look at our new video The Corn to Ethanol Process. It is basically an updated version of this documentary.

Thanks for watching

[a1mint]

How about cellulose based ethanol production through grasses. A recent study reports a 540% gain in energy, that's after full refinement.

[communitywork]

'The use of food as a source of fuel may have serious implications for the demand for food if the expansion of biofuels continues,' the International Monetary Fund said in its twice-yearly report on the world economy. 'One country's policy to promote biofuels while protecting its farmers could increase another (likely poorer) country's import bills for food and pose additional risks to inflation or growth.'

[greyflcn]

--The net gain in energy is 35%. The downside is, we will have less corn to eat. We could always eat other grains, like rice, and wheat.--

The downside is that we don't have that much farmland.

Even if we replaced the entire 330 million acres of farmland we have now with corn or switchgrass that still would not be enough to meet present demand.

And certainly not enough for 2025, where demand is expected to double.

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[daddeo01905]

brentmadison: This is a very well made and informative video. Good work. Hope to see more from you on the subject of ethanol.

[pwags459]

In response to the water use comment. All Ethanol plants are ZERO emission plants. We reuse all of our water over and over again. I should know.....I work at one.

[greyflcn]

--We reuse all of our water over and over again. I should know.....I work at one.--

It only takes about 6 gallons of water per gallon of ethanol at the refinery.

However it takes about 1000-4000 gallons per gallon of biofuel for irrigation.

Where by the nitrogen fertilizer mixed in the water causes eutrification in the missisipi river, which creates anoxic deadzones in the gulf of mexico.

[Juliusno1776]

All we need do is make ethanol from primary treated sewage, making ethanol without any additional water or fertilizer. 150 billion gallons net on 20 million acres. less than 1.5% of our 1.3 billion acres of farm land.

Also reducing loads on polluted rivers, since cattails absorbs the nutrients before waste water is released. tinyurl com/56rrda Learn how to do it.

[greyflcn]

Julius, here I got something for ya:

greyfalcon. net/ mythsofbiofuels

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How is 7500 gallons per acre from cattails reasonable?

Brazilian Sugarcane can only do a tenth of that. Switchgrass, similar yields.

What scientific study are you getting 7500 gallons per acre from?

[greyflcn]

No Ethanol. No Hydrogen.

In 2008 new catalytic converters have made Diesel cars legal in all 50 states.

Diesel Jetta is comprable to a Prius in mileage

However in the longer term, we should go Electric

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Nice part is, even if we run our cars on Coal electricity, it's still greener than a Prius

(Coal is about 3x worse than Natural Gas)

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Whats more, electricity for cars can be bought for as cheap as 1 cent per mile.

[hsd0006]

Right, but you can't take an electric car on a 500 mile vacation like i recently did. I prefer horsepower over torque for everyday driving, so ill stick with spark ignition engines. Cellulosic and seawater ethanol, alongside hybridized vehicles, is the way to go.

[greyflcn]

re: hsd0006

Thats where "Series Plugin Hybrids" come in to play.

They are basically just electric cars with a small petroleum generator attached merely to recharge the batteries.

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That said, so far at any commercial scale Cellulosic Ethanol is more polluting than Corn Ethanol.

And "Seawater ethanol" is just a hoax.

[hsd0006]

Your comment about cellulosic ethanol is wrong and unfounded. Every individual cellulosic company and the united states government have stated cellulosic ethanol reduces c02 alone by 70%+. Also, your comment about land usage is false, as seawater ethanol can be done, is done, and just needs investment. 15% of US land is marginal, unfit for construction or crop usage. If switchgrass or miscanthus were planted on it, it would replace every drop of gasoline we use. I have sources.

[greyflcn]

And where do they get that 70% figure from?

Michael Wang's GREET Model perhaps?

His model virtually ignores land use and N2O emmisions.

BioDiesel for instance:

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[greyflcn]

Here's another take on the GREET model, they just fabricate the numbers without any sort of review or oversight.

i-r-squared. blogspot. com/2006/03/how-reliable-are-t­hose-usda-ethanol.html

[hsd0006]

Interesting, though your insulting the reliability of the DOE, DOT, and other private researchers/enrinomentalists. The 70% figure comes from the nations top researchers and laboratories, like the Argonne National Laboratory. Please do some research.

[greyflcn]

Yes, Michael Wang comes from Agronne National Labs.

Perhaps you could listen to this interview from Lawrence Livermore National Labs.

globalpublicmedia. org/ the_reality_report_the_myths_o­f_biofuels

Here's a critisism of the Perlack study mentioned in it

venturebeat. com/ 2006/11/05/why-cellulosic-etha­nol-will-not-save-us

[hsd0006]

Nice to see you've chosen the most pessimistic and misinformed sources. Ethanol and biodiesel aren't myths, theyre facts. Ethanol is in my gas tank right now, there's a pump 4 miles from me right now, and a plant 15 miles from me right now. Did I mention the ability of algaic biofuel? On half of 1% of US land algae can replace all transport fuel (biodiesel and ethanol). Numerous companies give this tech 2+ years till commercialization.

[greyflcn]

Sounds like you didn't even listen to the interview.

Whats more there are some pretty big barriers to algae.

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The least of which, the lead company doing research on it just fired half their staff, and their CEO

bizjournals. com/ masshightech/stories/2007/07/0­2/daily25.html

[greyflcn]

Even the theoretical limit of photosynthesis is pretty wimpy compared to solar.

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The best biomass doesn't compare to the worst solar panels.

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And there was a plan to do mechanical "biofuels" by using hydrogen from water, and carbon from coal power plants.

Catch being, it would take 8x the electricity of the entire grid, and cost a couple trillion dollar.

greyfalcon. net/ h2car

And that still kicks the ass of biofuels.

[Hunger4Tae]

I really don't care about the government and so... I'am making a project in school about the benefits and disadvantages of using ethanol as fuel. Of course i won't believe in everything this video presents to me, but I'am going to use what the people positive to ethanol, as fuel, think are benefits and the people negative to ethanol, as fuel, think are disadvantages... And to that porpose this video is very good, without thinking about politics.

[vzlangel]

ohh please.. thanks what? they don't tell you the truth of how it's made for real.. did you know? with a full tank of ethanol can eat 7 people.. and that's not counting all the water that they use to maintain those plant.. please dont let the govertment to wash your brain.

[brentmadison]

Just so you no, ethanol is made from corn used to feed our animals and livestock, I made this Doc. and I am only 17 years old. I hope you don't think I want to bullshit you! I'm for sure not the government

[Hunger4Tae]

Thank you for uploading such an educating documentary. It has helped me understanding the process and the benefits that comes along with ethanol. So again thank you very much.

[brentmadison]

Always Welcome

[tylerwarren]

Very educational.