No form of government lasts forever. Communism, although in theory sound fuckin fantastic, is an evil front. I havent really listened to all the Zeitgeist shit. Ive heard of it, had my brother tell me about some, and Im confident its propoganda bullshit with just enough truth in it to twist shit up. I cant stand propoganda on any front, even on stands I make myself. democracy is a beautiful thing. Freedom of choice, impairitive. How can we assure true democracy though, When men can be bought? v
I realize this comes down to a debate over the the virtues of Libertarianism (and honestly, I don't know enough about pure libertarianism to debate).
If the government was not around to sponsor charities that are unpopular or can't afford large PR campaigns (yes, that's exactly where billions of charity dollars would be channeled) what would happen to AIDS and other charities that you and your brethren may not condone but are agreed world wide as a vital focus for research?
A place to learn how to give full and cognitive answers? ;)
You believe that independent studies by small communities of instructors and students would yield the same kind of curative results as a massively funded government-subsidized research program? Honestly, I don't know how effective such university research can be. I've heard of studies by prestigious colleges but my assumption is that it's still a small scale operation.
I'm finding it difficult to respond to this without sounding like a troll.
Socialism and communism are NOT the same thing. They are both on the Political-Economic spectrums (along with capitalism and fascism) and communism is on an extreme edge. Similar but different.
"You either believe that you have the right to take things from others and distribute it as you see fit or you do not."
All governments distribute wealth and resources as they see fit. What are American taxes? US Imminent domain?
I have to respectfully disagree Jared was a communist. Jared is mentally ill. As a mentally ill person he does not have the mental comprehension to distinguish what political agenda that he really has. Mentally ill people cannot understand what is right or wrong, hence the prosecutor has a problem trying to get him convicted because he has not proved that he is competent right now.
Well Americans seem to have the biggest problem comprehending what is right and wrong. Are you saying I'm a bad person because I love my country and follow it's political views? No, I'm 14 get over yourself. America has killed that many people so that most of the world would come to hate them, and when the US see's someone that doesn't like them or when they have a problem with something other countries are doing, their sollution is to wipe them out... it always has been
@AusVietnamesePride you dumb fukn punk. I always find myself saying the same thing to you ignorant children.... if you feel that way, and you don't like it, GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY COUNTRY!
Just curious how you view the collective distribution of money (taxes) that goes to the Police, Fire Department, Military, Infrastructure, etc? Are we Communists because we have these Social departments?
Zeitgeist and Venus are both socialist propaganda and heavily anti christian. Zeitgeist had to lie and say horus was born of a virgin and crucified and died. Which really isnt true. Horus was born after his parents had sex, he never died but he had is eye ripped out, and since he had no death there was no ressurrection, or crucifixion for that matter. Those movies do the same lies over and over trying to discredit jesus. That's the kinda shit he listened to.
Well if you have taken an advanced English class in school then you have read all of those books. The guy was proclaimed to be a constitutionalist and was anti govt. And how exactly did the film change his view of the world. Maybe he noticed that the govt was communist and then he went after her, who knows.
What's stopping you from driving over to Fox Rothschilds LLP at 1800 Century Park East in Century City, CA. and taking into custody a couple of the scoundrels working for our dictator, Evelyn Rothschilds?
Are you afraid Beverly Hills PD won't accept your suspects? The Ninth District Court (upon appeal) will sustain charges of false imprisonment, kidnapping while the lawyers that carried out the un constitutional transfer of trillions to the Cayman Islands continue to rob and pillage?
the Venus project is like a Joke on us, they are telling you how they plan to live after a 95% culling of the population. it's see how we will have the good life after you and everyone you know die.
Dude come back to youtube or at least let us know your not dead I had just subbed when you dissapeard. Me mike lambdog are going to hold a funeral if you don't come back
Ahhh...it looks like you might be pretty much done with posting. I'm sorry about that. I've really appreciated all of your videos. I hope you continue with your prepping and wish you the best.
One important factor that I noticed IMMEDIATELY was how the MSM started showing his "supposed" YouTube videos, in which he addresses himself by full and complete name--?? "These are my thoughts by JARED LEE LOUGHNER". Now, come on. Who actually does that? Also notice how the "incriminating" videos of Loughner on YouTube just so happen to be ALL TEXT. You figure that one out.
@ThePresticle1 exactly, i noticed too that his "channel" seemed far too...setup?
@UrbanCombat Survivor lol Jacque Fresco is a communist? you're funny :D I second XCasshern's suggestion of watching Zeitgeist Moving Foward. They talk a bit on what differentiates The Venus Project from Communism. The problem with money is more in complex than it's "evil". Also, what's wrong with everyone being equal? Extremely Individualistic societies can have just as many cons as the Collectivist societies.
please explain to me.. when you say- No one should own anything, we should all be the equals , does it really sound that wrong in your head? are you afraid of Communism ? you think it's evil... you're all brain washed puppets
i also recommend the movie ZEIGEIST: MOVING FORWARD , that just got out recently, you have it full here on youtube just search.. look it just out of curiosity if non the less.. i rises some interesting questions..
@voiceofreason467 Go on commie bastard, go on, go jerk off to the old man playing with his little Jetson action figures to relieve the frustration. Go on ahead and crawl off with your tail between your legs, like you always do EVERY SINGLE TIME we fight.
@voiceofreason467 No, you saying they allow something they have already made clear they vehemently oppose is not a small discrepancy, it's a blatant lie, liar.
And again, all this is irrelevant, as they dictate the direction of the Movement, not you. I could care less about your personal feelings and opinions, they don't facture into this anyhow.
@voiceofreason467 I'll be sure to keep an eye out on your channel to see what critics of TVP you attack, so I can show them this, I'm sorry they'll be very interested in seeing it.
@voiceofreason467 And I have the evidence right here that you lied by saying people in your society are allowed to own houses, when your leaders advocate no property, liar.
@voiceofreason467 Irrelevant, you are not the Head of the Movement, they are. You do not dictate the direction and tenets of the Movement, they do. Merola himself said in the video he talked about your advocation of non-property 'this what WE... 'as in the Movement, '...represent'.
@voiceofreason467 So now that I have proof that you are a miserable filthy liar, you can expect me to go around telling all the critics of TVP/TZM that you attack about it, so they know who they are talking to.
@voiceofreason467 Thank you for answering my question, even though you did so falsely by saying property was indeed allowed, when it's clearly not. It matters not, I have what I wanted: proof that you are a liar.
@voiceofreason467 No need, I already have my answer. You said people can own things, and for that, you are a liar, because as was stated by your Messiah, your Movement advocates no property.
But wait, you said we could own a house, did you not? Well you sir, a liar, because your Grandmaster himself said your Movement advocates no property. So, how does it feel it to be a filthy liar, huh, ya commie-lover?
@voiceofreason467 No, it isn't, there is no third option or any such bs, all your third option is your personal thoughts. In the end something is either allowed or not, so I want to know is property allowed in your society or not?
@voiceofreason467 No, it is not, it is a very simple question: either property is allowed in our society, or it isn't. Now answer the question, if you will.
@voiceofreason467 Well boy, it seems you're trapped between a rock and a hard place. You can admit to having said private property was allowed in your society, but you'll be exposed as a filthy liar, or you can admit private property in a TVP society is forbidden, but that will open up a whole new can of worms. So what will it be?
@voiceofreason467 No, actually, I do my cousin, but that's besides the point... you're the guy jerking off to an old man playing with action figures, that's WAAAAAAY worse than anything I could possibly think of doing.
@voiceofreason467 I mean, I might be fucking my mom, but that's still several steppes above jerking off to a senile old man playing with 'Jetsons' action figures.
@voiceofreason467 Ah, no, it isn't. It's me stating what I think you deserve for your actions, not what I myself intend to do to you. To be blunt, neither you, nor anyone in your Movement is important enough to warrant me getting my hands dirty.
@voiceofreason467 Ah, so this is the spirit of maturity, love, and enlightenment that will lead Mankind to a new era?? Ahahahahahah! I'm enjoying this! By all means, go on. Show yourself for what you truly, an arrogant whiny, pseudo-intellectual little bitch who jerks off to videos of an old man playing with his little 'Jetsons' action figures.
@voiceofreason467 Ah, no, it doesn't. It means I think you deserve to die, nothing more, you little butthurt commie who still can't get over the fact that we won the Cold War.
@voiceofreason467 And that DOESN'T change the fact that you lied to people by saying they COULD own things in a RBE. Sorry, liar, no weaseling out for you today.
@voiceofreason467 Except you can NOT go ahead, because, as stated by God Incarnate Fresco, an RBE has to be global, meaning it has to be a system used by everyone without the slightest exception. And of course, a system that needs to be global, can never truly be free.
@voiceofreason467 Also you should be more careful before you accuse me of threatening you, I said you deserved to die for what you did (and I stand by that statement), not that I would kill myself. Careful where you choose to throw around your insane, paranoid accusations
@voiceofreason467 Irrelevant, you told people they could own things in your society, when your Master himself clearly stated 'we advocate no property', you are a filthy, manipulative liar working to undermine people's faith in the current system and lure them to trap of Communism with golden promises.
@voiceofreason467 So you admit it? Your Movement is against private property, as stated by your leader. Thank you, that's all I wanted you. You are miserable liar for telling people that in the society advocated by your Movement, they can still own property. You're no better than the bastards who manipulated the Russian people to rise against the Czar, with promises of a new Utopian society, only to have them all slaughtered after they were in power. You should die.
@voiceofreason467 I'm not talking about you specifically, you brainwashed Leftie dolt, I'm talking about your Movement in general, what are you fucking retarded? No wait, don't answer that.
@voiceofreason467 Except of course in the way that it's written, TVP is sort of a new version of communism updated to modern days. Because calling the rich 'the elite' instead of 'the burgeouise' makes it all sound oh so 21st century.
@voiceofreason467 No, you can't because there are differences between, and unless you're a retarded fuckwit you'll see them, there are no differences TVP and Communism.
@voiceofreason467 I don't even know what you're trying to say here, but the fact remains: Master Peter himself said your Movement advocates no property, and THAT is something I will not allow you to weasel out of. Everything you said about us being able to own things in your society if we wanted to is a BLATANT LIE, you dishonest little twerp.
@voiceofreason467 Bah! Pathetic! Did you honestly think you could subvert the Tea Party to serve your goals, did you think you could trick them like that? That they wouldn't realize it eventually?
@voiceofreason467 Oh, of course did you expect him to say he was laughed out of there after they found he was working with an anti-american neo-communist movement? He was in the Party long after he entered your pathetic little movement, just look up his name on the BTP website, everyone there was turning against him for it, except for the little twerps like you he recruited from the TVP forums to go into the BTP website and pass off as members.
@voiceofreason467 I explained why he didn't need to say openly TVP was communism to make it so, but you left out the explanation part. You're a dishonest little libbie twerp, but that's ok, I'm used to dealing with your kind.
@voiceofreason467 Actually, that's a lot like what the Communists did, Fascists don't usually believe in reeducation, if something is against them, they at least have the decency to kill them, rather than trying to subvert them.
@voiceofreason467 No, it isn't, because he said 'we advocate no property', straight of the horse's mouth, or in this case, the horse's ass. Do you not even know your Messiah's position on things?
@voiceofreason467 Actually he was still in the Party after joining TVP and tried to subvert and manipulate the Party to serve your Far Leftist interests like the treacherous fat bastard he is, but the gig was up after they found out he was involved with a Neo-Communist group. Hell, he even came on the TZM forums begging people to vote for him. You get YOUR facts straight, commie.
@voiceofreason467 Then he supports an anarcho-capitalist? Well I'm glad he finally recognizes the obvious the superiority of the free market, although that leaves the question of why is he still afiliated with an organization that wants to destroy the market altogether. Yeah...
I find it laughable that you believe equality isn't the most acceptable idea. You're so worried about your money, your paper money that is no longer backed by anything substantial, that you are completely forgetting about your fellow humans. Is a TV more important than a sick child? Than a person with cancer? Jesus, people are so selfish!
Are you kidding? You think that what you have right now isn't controlled? The kind of government that we have now does not allow us to choose, it allows business and industry to choose. This government allows corporations to dictate your pay, your lifestyle, and in that, who you can donate money to. Your money has been controlled, you are not in control of that. And Zeitgeist is an idea proposed to help everyone! Not just those who can manipulate others.
@voiceofreason467 So what you're saying is money isn't the problem, greed and human nature is? Well, how are you gonna deal with that, by dragging us to reeducation camps and purge the greed right out of us? Yeah, doesn't sound the least bit like Communism
@voiceofreason467 People can choose to have anything we want? Cool, except not, because can't 'have' anything in your society, hell, Lord Merola even came out and said people shouldn't be allowed to own personal vehicles, because he deems to be 'wasteful', and I'll be damned before I have an unwashed Hippie like him decide what is right or not for me to have.
@voiceofreason467 Wait, what are you saying here? He needs to say what the goals of Communism in order for his accusation to be valid? I believe he already knows the goals of Communism and that the goals of your little Movement, which is why he can see they are exacly the same, just worded differently.
Good vid, UCS! Out of curiosity, I decided to watch the Peter Joseph/Zeitgeist thing/documentary....I had a hard time to keep from laughing. If that's not communism, I don't know what is. Clearly, he needs to put the crack pipe down
The Zeitgeist Movement lifts a lot of it's core principles from Communism but it isn't a coherent enough ideology to actually be Communism. It essentially ignores all historical examples of why Communism doesn't work and embraces the parts of Communism it likes. Its an incoherent joke.
@voiceofreason467 Understanding the climate is, in itself, certainly something I think should be pursued by those with an interest in it, yes. It's a valid scientific field of study, with applications in meteorology, extraplanetary investigation, and lots of other things.
i made a response to secularstupidest's zeitgest/loughner video, which can be found on my channel.
"I really think that this is Zeitgeist documentary had a profound impact upon Jared Loughner's mind-set and how he viewed the world that he lives in.
Sound like political motivation to you?"
that person started ignoring jared a few years prior. it's extremely irresponsible of the media to interview such a vulnerable and unqualified individual. furthermore, tzm is pacifist.
@voiceofreason467 They're actually pretty in favor of the projects(surprise surprise), and look to be straight propaganda pieces written by those involved. However, "Zeitgeist: The Movement" is "The activist arm of the Venus Project".
Read about it, their own literature proves that you're either intentionally lying, or speaking in ignorance.
@voiceofreason467 Wait, so someone isn't intelligent if they don't agree that an inanimate object is actually the source of evil? So, those of us who believe that people are responsible for their own actions, morality, and integrity, we're unintelligent, because we don't believe that the evil satan paper made all of the bad people do it?
What scientist would destroy all of the date that led to their findings? A scammer.
Why would the emails that were leaked have their lead "scientist" worrying that the earth was COOLING for the past 11 years as of the writing of that email, and they had absolutely no way to explain it.
The whole thing is a scam, from beginning to end. There is no science involved.
@voiceofreason467 ROFL, this is so full of deception it's not even worth addressing. You "systems theory" is a hodgepodge of bullshit that attempts to present something as if it is science and or fact, when in reality its a bunch of garbage with nothing to back it up. Like the global warming scam.
Translated: YOU get to be the tyrant who controls everyone else because their silly notions of SELF are "counterproductie to a society". While you're at it, they get no money, and can't own anything either, right? Naaaah, sounds NOTHING like communism with a new bullshit name, really...
@voiceofreason467 Wrong. They may not SAY it until the second movie, but the whole premise is there, and their own damn website says so. You're posting in deception, or in ignorance.
you cant get rid of money/property without forcing people to do so(fascist). its not natural, so the resulting unrest wouldn't be in the least bit positive. i completely disagree with it.
i dont really care for the zeitgeist movies.
a resource based economy sounds a lot like the gold standard... sounds exactly like it.
the facts are that movie profoundly changed his world view, nothing is said to specify, so i cannot claim he was a 911 conspiracy nut, and you cant say he was a communist USING THE FACTS AT HAND.
him supporting going to the gold standard is a fact.
him repeating the words of joe miller are fact
him thinking the govt is out to get him is fact.
we can only speculate if he supported zeitgeist or not. so lets stick with the facts, sir.
@ Urban combat survivor.... so is it communism when the governemnt takes your money and chooses to distribute them how they see fit... as in using your taxes for public roads? paying soldiers for national defense? paying for other countries leaders to stay in upper class resorts and get treated to the posh American lifestyle when on diplomatic escapades?
@UrbanCombatSurvivor Yes all systems before a RBE lead too a RBE. Then a democracy and freedom lead too some pretty big ideas in this new RBE to. Just as Communism lead too a social based heath care in the leading country's in heath care which are what you call free. Yet what is your idea of freedom voting for 2 puppets?
I'm guessing you're not too fond of the military industrial complex. I would rather have tax dollars spent mostly on positive rights personally. Fromy my POV, true economic freedom will just lead to instability and I largely consider myself a right wing person.
@EnthalpyH "Military Industrial Complex" is a phrase used by left wingers attempting to make our military sound like a menacing threat, IME.
Using our tax dollars to spend on "positive rights", rather than the government not stealing our money in the first place for their social agendas and scams is another mantra of the left.
Saying that economic freedom will lead to instability is likely something I've only heard from radical leftists who promote collectivism under one brand or another.
Internet is a wonderful thing, although the openness also includes a vast heap of intellectually unfiltered mental diarrhea by the most simple-minded simpletons with an opinion they think the world must hear.
You don't happen to realize that you are one of those I talked about, urban?
If you in your screwed mind would get the idea that GW Bush is a communist, you'd see signs everywhere that supported your strange view, seeing the "government" and the "leftists" trying to hide those "undeniable facts" from the stupid people, right? How good that YOU are someone who knows what's really going on, isn't it? What made you such a fool? Tsss.
@kendoone Your oh so thinly veiling personal attack was, alas, not hidden from me. Your followup here inventing things and attributing them to me is further proof of the already suspected density through which your thoughts must slog. I never said GW was communist, or any of the rest of these lies.
Your type turns to personal attacks like these in an attempt to undermine when you have absolutely no ability, to debate in reality with logic. It's a distraction tactic.
You are the one inventing things in your paranoia, far from any use of logic in your bias.
And you always seem to accuse others of doing what you do yourself without even recognizing it.
Of course you didn't say G WMD Bush was communist, but if you call Loughner a commie because he had the communist manifesto listed among a heap of rightwing books, you can as well call Bush a stalinist.
@kendoone Finally, personal attacks will get you blocked. If you cannot debate like an adult, you can run off to where the children play until you've grown enough emotionally and intellectually to sit at the table with the adults and enjoy civil discourse.
@EssedariusMaiestas So he was being enlightened when he murdered 6 people, including a 9 year old little girl? Yes, he certainly seems enlightened to me now, thank you for showing me his glory. I'll run out right now and join the communist movement now that I see how enlightened it is.
His reaction was not appropriate, but understandable given his real view. Still his reaction should not be condoned or copied by anyone. This goes without saying.
You cannot fight the system using the system. Their saws and lawyers to change laws via lawyers? That is illogical. To fight the system by armed assault is suicide. The system is unavoidable due to currency.
Anyone not w/ status quo deemed conspiratorial and labeled w/ a disorder (isolated).
People only say he was a commie because he had the communist manifesto as a favorite book. He also had "We The Living" an Ayn Rand book. Is Ayn Rand a commie?
He sounded totally like a Sovereign Citizen and for a total anarchist society.
How can anyone listen to this rambling, disordered monologue and put a clear political label on him? He mentions the Constitution, currency and grammar but most of it is random and literally illogical. I'm still failing to see this guy's Marxist analysis of society's ills..
I guess links are disabled but Google Jared Lee Loughner Video and click on the TMZ link.
@Brian0Redskin0Ultra The link to his channel is in the previous video I did on him. If you watch the videos, then read the links I provided and you do NOT see the connection that seems quite clear and logical to me, then I guess we simply see logical progression differently.
communist use money and so does every other ism out there..your not taking things from others if no one has ownership to begin with. you are making things available to every one without the monetary system. im not saying you havnt looked into this but within the hrs of peters radio programs he addreses all of this in plain english..wouldnt it make more sense to site the website in question than an opinion of the website to make your point or are you using it because it helps you make your point
@nieldsb Ah, I see, so if you're not taking anything from anyone, what happens to all of the privately owned land and business when your communism takes over? Do people magically just NEVER have owned things?
Revising the history doesn't work. Communism has ALWAYS and EVERY TIME stolen private property from the people. You cannot name a single instance in history where this hasn't been the case. Not one.
@UrbanCombatSurvivor look it up, transition period. once again im not sure if you have looked into this far enough, the pronunciation is even off, zite-geist like site which you would have known had you dont your research. the switch from horse and biggy to cars didnt take place over night, it happened willfully..what part of the it is not communism are you not understanding, you would need a central governing body or state and a monetary system. the venus project advocates none of these.
The Venus Project advocates a technocracy (look up the definition) and a Marxist economical system.
They promote exactly the same thing the globalists do. Also, the resource based economy crap they spew is just a ploy.
Zeitgeist Movement is a Marxist Theosophist movement and hates all religion and especially hates Jesus Christ. Look up what theosophy is. It is Luciferianism, another type of Satan worship.
Luciferian symbology is all over the Zeitgeist films.
I hope you watch my 2 videos that i shared with you.
I know how confusing this can be for you about A Resource Based Economy, infact it took me a whole 3 months to finally understand it, and even today i'm still learning more, but i do know it is possible.
FIRST THING PEOPLE MUST DO IS KEEP AN OPEN MIND ABOUT OTHER ALTERNATIVES
Even if it threatens your entire belief system of how the way things ought to be instead of what they can be.
There is nothing difficult to understand about it at all. Communism has been branded and rebranded many, many times in some attempt to find a presentation that will outmaneuver people's ability to spot it for what it is.
I don't "not understand" communism, I flat out disagree with it.
@TZMBigsteelguy The first Zerigeist is laying the foundation for the second. They are both about the Venus Project, the first one just doesn't state so openly. Read the link about it above.
@TZMBigsteelguy Thank you, but I've seen plenty of the communist propaganda already. But feel free to continue emerging yourself in it's mind numbingly deceptive and dishonest presentations.
Communists hide because anyone with a sense of SELF(IE, a natural sense that you are an individual) will always outright reject the snake oil, and the snake oil salesmen, regardless of what name they try to use this week.
Now that you're done with the desperate branding, do you want to tell the class that Loughner was a "Sovereign Citizen" i.e. an anti-state libertarian? Or shall I?
@IPlayWithFire135 Funny, I've put links and logical progression of thought. You're making an outrageous claim with nothing to support it. Care to give any legitimate links to support this?
You haven't said anything logical. You simply throw zeitgeist and communism together and repeat it over and over in the hopes that your listeners make the connection through some sort of Pavlovian reinforcement effect.
As for evidence, gladly:
"He’s just repeating things I’ve had up on my site the past 11 years.” - David Wynn Miller, prominent activist in the Sovereign Citizen Movement and inspiration to tax evaders all over the country.
Though no one in the end will be taking away from you instead it more like giving too you. The only problem may be when you sit on a huge gold deposit in the ground say mine. It not be bad if your doing something with the gold but if you horde it then that does make a problem. Why because your friend might have requested gold for new jewelry. Then maybe a inventor needs it for his invention that cleans the air but needs too be very conductive and thin to do so. So gold ends up working best.
@starknight97 Oh, so YOU get to decide what someone else does with their gold? Yes, it always comes back to someone stealing from someone else, doesn't it? It always comes back to someone being a tyrant.
@EssedariusMaiestas lol, why would we be fighting over gold in the first place? If gold is so scarce, how is it that everyone you know owns gold in one form or another?
Currency is enslavement? Can you explain how it could possibly be enslavement? Honestly, this sounds like "everyone should own everything"
One cannot eat without currency. One cannot have shelter without currency. One cannot live without currency.
Not everyone has gold, and you cannot possibly know everyone. But if we practice any form of economy, then surely not everyone will own anything. Some win; some lose. This is not pursuant to your creator's design.
But one other thing is absolute. All forms of currency, ie its value, is placed on gold. Control the wealth and your pen becomes a formidable weapon.
@EssedariusMaiestas Sure you can. you eat when the farm grows the food ships it to everyone. You have shelter when the robots build it and have it made safe to move into. You then live as you see fit not a slave too the next paycheck at a job you hate. that artificial scarcity. let say every want too own gold in a RBE for some reason their not enough. then you have many option you can make it from lead the same way plutonium made from uranium. You can find new sources as well.
@EssedariusMaiestas ah your talking of our current broken system then. Yes in this capitalism with a slight hint of democratic government your right. Makes you wonder if vetoing for puppet a or puppet b is what people think is freedom.
@EssedariusMaiestas This is the encroachment of government into every aspects of our lives. In other words, the transition from a free society into some form of communism/socialism/collectivism.
starknight thinks we need MORE government, MORE regulations, and that Mommy Government should nurse us and provide everything for us from cradle to grave. This is some rebranded form of communism.
Any form of government -by default- requires intrusion to one degree or another; every single one. To suggest that one form of government is better (or worse) than the other is to accept the lie that government is necessary.
Do you believe we have unalienable rights endowed to us by our creator/s?
Do you believe in a god? *(use the 'god' definition established by your cultural upbringing)*
hey dude is this going to be your last vid its been 10 months now sence this one its time for a few more your even up to 2172 subs now
geraldb4201 2 months ago
No form of government lasts forever. Communism, although in theory sound fuckin fantastic, is an evil front. I havent really listened to all the Zeitgeist shit. Ive heard of it, had my brother tell me about some, and Im confident its propoganda bullshit with just enough truth in it to twist shit up. I cant stand propoganda on any front, even on stands I make myself. democracy is a beautiful thing. Freedom of choice, impairitive. How can we assure true democracy though, When men can be bought? v
lokipit1 3 months ago
I realize this comes down to a debate over the the virtues of Libertarianism (and honestly, I don't know enough about pure libertarianism to debate).
If the government was not around to sponsor charities that are unpopular or can't afford large PR campaigns (yes, that's exactly where billions of charity dollars would be channeled) what would happen to AIDS and other charities that you and your brethren may not condone but are agreed world wide as a vital focus for research?
redknight808 5 months ago
@redknight808 What do you think Universities are for?
frogsoda 1 month ago
@frogsoda
A place to learn how to give full and cognitive answers? ;)
You believe that independent studies by small communities of instructors and students would yield the same kind of curative results as a massively funded government-subsidized research program? Honestly, I don't know how effective such university research can be. I've heard of studies by prestigious colleges but my assumption is that it's still a small scale operation.
redknight808 1 month ago
I'm finding it difficult to respond to this without sounding like a troll.
Socialism and communism are NOT the same thing. They are both on the Political-Economic spectrums (along with capitalism and fascism) and communism is on an extreme edge. Similar but different.
"You either believe that you have the right to take things from others and distribute it as you see fit or you do not."
All governments distribute wealth and resources as they see fit. What are American taxes? US Imminent domain?
redknight808 5 months ago
Dude, 100% right on. Exactly!
AmericanMade72 6 months ago
Interesting
RockyMountainPrepper 6 months ago
The government takes my money and uses it however they want every year, its called taxes!
MobFrenziedHomicide 7 months ago
I have to respectfully disagree Jared was a communist. Jared is mentally ill. As a mentally ill person he does not have the mental comprehension to distinguish what political agenda that he really has. Mentally ill people cannot understand what is right or wrong, hence the prosecutor has a problem trying to get him convicted because he has not proved that he is competent right now.
mugsie101 7 months ago
@mugsie101
Well Americans seem to have the biggest problem comprehending what is right and wrong. Are you saying I'm a bad person because I love my country and follow it's political views? No, I'm 14 get over yourself. America has killed that many people so that most of the world would come to hate them, and when the US see's someone that doesn't like them or when they have a problem with something other countries are doing, their sollution is to wipe them out... it always has been
AusVietnamesePride 7 months ago
@AusVietnamesePride you dumb fukn punk. I always find myself saying the same thing to you ignorant children.... if you feel that way, and you don't like it, GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY COUNTRY!
AmericanMade72 6 months ago
@AmericanMade72
I'm not in your country, your a fucking idiot. You do know the internet is global right?
AusVietnamesePride 6 months ago
@AusVietnamesePride you're actually lucky, because if you were I would have to go to your house and kill your family for talkin all that shit.
AmericanMade72 6 months ago
@AmericanMade72
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
Why everyone hates Americans
AusVietnamesePride 6 months ago
Just curious how you view the collective distribution of money (taxes) that goes to the Police, Fire Department, Military, Infrastructure, etc? Are we Communists because we have these Social departments?
bjhiss27 7 months ago
Zeitgeist and Venus are both socialist propaganda and heavily anti christian. Zeitgeist had to lie and say horus was born of a virgin and crucified and died. Which really isnt true. Horus was born after his parents had sex, he never died but he had is eye ripped out, and since he had no death there was no ressurrection, or crucifixion for that matter. Those movies do the same lies over and over trying to discredit jesus. That's the kinda shit he listened to.
SupremeAmerican 8 months ago
Well if you have taken an advanced English class in school then you have read all of those books. The guy was proclaimed to be a constitutionalist and was anti govt. And how exactly did the film change his view of the world. Maybe he noticed that the govt was communist and then he went after her, who knows.
440charger2 8 months ago
@440charger2 Wrong. He was an ardent atheist and a communist. And now big bubbah is communising his anus. Get over it.
SupremeAmerican 8 months ago
@SupremeAmerican Because you know so much about him are you his neighbor? And get over what?
440charger2 8 months ago
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Closely listen to an Inception dvd made before the January 8th Tucson shooting, especially during the dialogue, "Do It."
jamestargetedindiv 9 months ago
What's stopping you from driving over to Fox Rothschilds LLP at 1800 Century Park East in Century City, CA. and taking into custody a couple of the scoundrels working for our dictator, Evelyn Rothschilds?
Are you afraid Beverly Hills PD won't accept your suspects? The Ninth District Court (upon appeal) will sustain charges of false imprisonment, kidnapping while the lawyers that carried out the un constitutional transfer of trillions to the Cayman Islands continue to rob and pillage?
DeutcherKonnig 9 months ago
the Venus project is like a Joke on us, they are telling you how they plan to live after a 95% culling of the population. it's see how we will have the good life after you and everyone you know die.
mechanicalbu11 9 months ago
Dude come back to youtube or at least let us know your not dead I had just subbed when you dissapeard. Me mike lambdog are going to hold a funeral if you don't come back
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jamestargetedindiv 11 months ago
I love how he breaks down the Arguments, and the first is so telling...
He said "Take" not trade or barter, but TAKE---which is Capitalism.
willdrake1 11 months ago
So? Now with all the evidence, I hope this guy has changed his idea:
This has nothing to do with Zeitgeist.
Which has nothing to do with Communism.
All Ists' and Isim's are outdated and nolonger work.
We must move beyond them.
willdrake1 11 months ago
Ahhh...it looks like you might be pretty much done with posting. I'm sorry about that. I've really appreciated all of your videos. I hope you continue with your prepping and wish you the best.
prepperfrau 1 year ago
Man, am I missing you! I hope you will post again soon. Take care.
prepperfrau 1 year ago
One important factor that I noticed IMMEDIATELY was how the MSM started showing his "supposed" YouTube videos, in which he addresses himself by full and complete name--?? "These are my thoughts by JARED LEE LOUGHNER". Now, come on. Who actually does that? Also notice how the "incriminating" videos of Loughner on YouTube just so happen to be ALL TEXT. You figure that one out.
ThePresticle1 1 year ago
@ThePresticle1 exactly, i noticed too that his "channel" seemed far too...setup?
@UrbanCombat Survivor lol Jacque Fresco is a communist? you're funny :D I second XCasshern's suggestion of watching Zeitgeist Moving Foward. They talk a bit on what differentiates The Venus Project from Communism. The problem with money is more in complex than it's "evil". Also, what's wrong with everyone being equal? Extremely Individualistic societies can have just as many cons as the Collectivist societies.
RedLion502 1 year ago
please explain to me.. when you say- No one should own anything, we should all be the equals , does it really sound that wrong in your head? are you afraid of Communism ? you think it's evil... you're all brain washed puppets
i also recommend the movie ZEIGEIST: MOVING FORWARD , that just got out recently, you have it full here on youtube just search.. look it just out of curiosity if non the less.. i rises some interesting questions..
XCasshern 1 year ago
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You said people could own houses in your society, even after your leader stated 'we advocate NO property', that makes you a liar.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 Go on commie bastard, go on, go jerk off to the old man playing with his little Jetson action figures to relieve the frustration. Go on ahead and crawl off with your tail between your legs, like you always do EVERY SINGLE TIME we fight.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 No, no, no... you didn't say have access, you said they could OWN houses, which is why you're a liar.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 But, hey, at least you're admitting you fucked up, that's something.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 No, you saying they allow something they have already made clear they vehemently oppose is not a small discrepancy, it's a blatant lie, liar.
And again, all this is irrelevant, as they dictate the direction of the Movement, not you. I could care less about your personal feelings and opinions, they don't facture into this anyhow.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 I'll be sure to keep an eye out on your channel to see what critics of TVP you attack, so I can show them this, I'm sorry they'll be very interested in seeing it.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 And I have the evidence right here that you lied by saying people in your society are allowed to own houses, when your leaders advocate no property, liar.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 Irrelevant, you are not the Head of the Movement, they are. You do not dictate the direction and tenets of the Movement, they do. Merola himself said in the video he talked about your advocation of non-property 'this what WE... 'as in the Movement, '...represent'.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 So now that I have proof that you are a miserable filthy liar, you can expect me to go around telling all the critics of TVP/TZM that you attack about it, so they know who they are talking to.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 Thank you for answering my question, even though you did so falsely by saying property was indeed allowed, when it's clearly not. It matters not, I have what I wanted: proof that you are a liar.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 No need, I already have my answer. You said people can own things, and for that, you are a liar, because as was stated by your Messiah, your Movement advocates no property.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
But wait, you said we could own a house, did you not? Well you sir, a liar, because your Grandmaster himself said your Movement advocates no property. So, how does it feel it to be a filthy liar, huh, ya commie-lover?
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 But it is not a false dichotomy, as there is no 'third option', property it's either allowed or not, I want to know which.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 Again, I don't care if you think ownership is unecessary, I'm asking you if it's allowed or not.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 No, it isn't, there is no third option or any such bs, all your third option is your personal thoughts. In the end something is either allowed or not, so I want to know is property allowed in your society or not?
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 Is property allowed in your society, yes or no?
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 No, it is not, it is a very simple question: either property is allowed in our society, or it isn't. Now answer the question, if you will.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 And I WILL NOT go away, I came here to drive out, and that's what I'll do.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 And either way, you lose.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 Either it IS or it ISN'T. Answer the question: Is property allowed in your society or not?
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 Well boy, it seems you're trapped between a rock and a hard place. You can admit to having said private property was allowed in your society, but you'll be exposed as a filthy liar, or you can admit private property in a TVP society is forbidden, but that will open up a whole new can of worms. So what will it be?
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 No, actually, I do my cousin, but that's besides the point... you're the guy jerking off to an old man playing with action figures, that's WAAAAAAY worse than anything I could possibly think of doing.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 So you admit in your society ownership is forbidden?
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 Yeah, but you're the guy who jerks off to an old man playing with action figures, I mean that's way worse.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 I mean, I might be fucking my mom, but that's still several steppes above jerking off to a senile old man playing with 'Jetsons' action figures.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 Ah, no, it isn't. It's me stating what I think you deserve for your actions, not what I myself intend to do to you. To be blunt, neither you, nor anyone in your Movement is important enough to warrant me getting my hands dirty.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 Ah, so this is the spirit of maturity, love, and enlightenment that will lead Mankind to a new era?? Ahahahahahah! I'm enjoying this! By all means, go on. Show yourself for what you truly, an arrogant whiny, pseudo-intellectual little bitch who jerks off to videos of an old man playing with his little 'Jetsons' action figures.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 Ah, no, it doesn't. It means I think you deserve to die, nothing more, you little butthurt commie who still can't get over the fact that we won the Cold War.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 And that DOESN'T change the fact that you lied to people by saying they COULD own things in a RBE. Sorry, liar, no weaseling out for you today.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 Except you can NOT go ahead, because, as stated by God Incarnate Fresco, an RBE has to be global, meaning it has to be a system used by everyone without the slightest exception. And of course, a system that needs to be global, can never truly be free.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 Also you should be more careful before you accuse me of threatening you, I said you deserved to die for what you did (and I stand by that statement), not that I would kill myself. Careful where you choose to throw around your insane, paranoid accusations
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 Save your speeches, your Lord Merola is the master of scare tactics, and fear and guilt mongering.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 Irrelevant, you told people they could own things in your society, when your Master himself clearly stated 'we advocate no property', you are a filthy, manipulative liar working to undermine people's faith in the current system and lure them to trap of Communism with golden promises.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 No, my butthurt commie friend, because Islam isn't just a rewritting of Christianity with different words.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 So you admit it? Your Movement is against private property, as stated by your leader. Thank you, that's all I wanted you. You are miserable liar for telling people that in the society advocated by your Movement, they can still own property. You're no better than the bastards who manipulated the Russian people to rise against the Czar, with promises of a new Utopian society, only to have them all slaughtered after they were in power. You should die.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 I'm not talking about you specifically, you brainwashed Leftie dolt, I'm talking about your Movement in general, what are you fucking retarded? No wait, don't answer that.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
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@voiceofreason467 And what is your evidence for your side of the story?
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 Except of course in the way that it's written, TVP is sort of a new version of communism updated to modern days. Because calling the rich 'the elite' instead of 'the burgeouise' makes it all sound oh so 21st century.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 No, you can't because there are differences between, and unless you're a retarded fuckwit you'll see them, there are no differences TVP and Communism.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 And yet you support a Neo-Communist movement, that's a riot.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 I don't even know what you're trying to say here, but the fact remains: Master Peter himself said your Movement advocates no property, and THAT is something I will not allow you to weasel out of. Everything you said about us being able to own things in your society if we wanted to is a BLATANT LIE, you dishonest little twerp.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 Bah! Pathetic! Did you honestly think you could subvert the Tea Party to serve your goals, did you think you could trick them like that? That they wouldn't realize it eventually?
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 Oh, of course did you expect him to say he was laughed out of there after they found he was working with an anti-american neo-communist movement? He was in the Party long after he entered your pathetic little movement, just look up his name on the BTP website, everyone there was turning against him for it, except for the little twerps like you he recruited from the TVP forums to go into the BTP website and pass off as members.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 I explained why he didn't need to say openly TVP was communism to make it so, but you left out the explanation part. You're a dishonest little libbie twerp, but that's ok, I'm used to dealing with your kind.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 You are the one who knows nothing of Fascism. You are a brainwashed pathetic little communism-apologist.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 Actually, that's a lot like what the Communists did, Fascists don't usually believe in reeducation, if something is against them, they at least have the decency to kill them, rather than trying to subvert them.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 Well, which one is it then? Is it money, or is it greed and human nature? And if it is greed, how will you resolve it?
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 No, it isn't, because he said 'we advocate no property', straight of the horse's mouth, or in this case, the horse's ass. Do you not even know your Messiah's position on things?
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 Quote-mining much?
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 Actually he was still in the Party after joining TVP and tried to subvert and manipulate the Party to serve your Far Leftist interests like the treacherous fat bastard he is, but the gig was up after they found out he was involved with a Neo-Communist group. Hell, he even came on the TZM forums begging people to vote for him. You get YOUR facts straight, commie.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 Then he supports an anarcho-capitalist? Well I'm glad he finally recognizes the obvious the superiority of the free market, although that leaves the question of why is he still afiliated with an organization that wants to destroy the market altogether. Yeah...
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 Which is why you have a member infiltrated on the Tea Party and the political arena, Neil Stephenson aka Manboobs?
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
I find it laughable that you believe equality isn't the most acceptable idea. You're so worried about your money, your paper money that is no longer backed by anything substantial, that you are completely forgetting about your fellow humans. Is a TV more important than a sick child? Than a person with cancer? Jesus, people are so selfish!
WintertideSleep 1 year ago
@WintertideSleep Who are you talking to with this?
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
Are you kidding? You think that what you have right now isn't controlled? The kind of government that we have now does not allow us to choose, it allows business and industry to choose. This government allows corporations to dictate your pay, your lifestyle, and in that, who you can donate money to. Your money has been controlled, you are not in control of that. And Zeitgeist is an idea proposed to help everyone! Not just those who can manipulate others.
WintertideSleep 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 So what you're saying is money isn't the problem, greed and human nature is? Well, how are you gonna deal with that, by dragging us to reeducation camps and purge the greed right out of us? Yeah, doesn't sound the least bit like Communism
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 People can choose to have anything we want? Cool, except not, because can't 'have' anything in your society, hell, Lord Merola even came out and said people shouldn't be allowed to own personal vehicles, because he deems to be 'wasteful', and I'll be damned before I have an unwashed Hippie like him decide what is right or not for me to have.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 And I suppose we just have to take your word for it? That Peter was a supporter of Ron Paul, that is. I don't buy it.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 Wait, what are you saying here? He needs to say what the goals of Communism in order for his accusation to be valid? I believe he already knows the goals of Communism and that the goals of your little Movement, which is why he can see they are exacly the same, just worded differently.
TheGoldenKing20 1 year ago
Good vid, UCS! Out of curiosity, I decided to watch the Peter Joseph/Zeitgeist thing/documentary....I had a hard time to keep from laughing. If that's not communism, I don't know what is. Clearly, he needs to put the crack pipe down
laney50w 1 year ago
Missing your postings, UCS. Are you okay?
prepperfrau 1 year ago
@prepperfrau Yes, sorry man. Life has just been keeping me extremely busy these past few weeks, I'll try to have something out very very soon...
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
The Zeitgeist Movement lifts a lot of it's core principles from Communism but it isn't a coherent enough ideology to actually be Communism. It essentially ignores all historical examples of why Communism doesn't work and embraces the parts of Communism it likes. Its an incoherent joke.
pl3bian 1 year ago
@pl3bian Can't the same be said about any form of collectivism?
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 Understanding the climate is, in itself, certainly something I think should be pursued by those with an interest in it, yes. It's a valid scientific field of study, with applications in meteorology, extraplanetary investigation, and lots of other things.
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
i made a response to secularstupidest's zeitgest/loughner video, which can be found on my channel.
"I really think that this is Zeitgeist documentary had a profound impact upon Jared Loughner's mind-set and how he viewed the world that he lives in.
Sound like political motivation to you?"
that person started ignoring jared a few years prior. it's extremely irresponsible of the media to interview such a vulnerable and unqualified individual. furthermore, tzm is pacifist.
strawprophet 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 They're actually pretty in favor of the projects(surprise surprise), and look to be straight propaganda pieces written by those involved. However, "Zeitgeist: The Movement" is "The activist arm of the Venus Project".
Read about it, their own literature proves that you're either intentionally lying, or speaking in ignorance.
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 Wait, so someone isn't intelligent if they don't agree that an inanimate object is actually the source of evil? So, those of us who believe that people are responsible for their own actions, morality, and integrity, we're unintelligent, because we don't believe that the evil satan paper made all of the bad people do it?
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467
What scientist would destroy all of the date that led to their findings? A scammer.
Why would the emails that were leaked have their lead "scientist" worrying that the earth was COOLING for the past 11 years as of the writing of that email, and they had absolutely no way to explain it.
The whole thing is a scam, from beginning to end. There is no science involved.
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 You're a flat out liar, my man. Read the fucking links.
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 ROFL, this is so full of deception it's not even worth addressing. You "systems theory" is a hodgepodge of bullshit that attempts to present something as if it is science and or fact, when in reality its a bunch of garbage with nothing to back it up. Like the global warming scam.
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467
Translated: YOU get to be the tyrant who controls everyone else because their silly notions of SELF are "counterproductie to a society". While you're at it, they get no money, and can't own anything either, right? Naaaah, sounds NOTHING like communism with a new bullshit name, really...
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 I never said public ownership of capital. You're trying to reframe the debate here.
What I said, PLAINLY, was that your "RBE" is communism under a different name.
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
@voiceofreason467 Wrong. They may not SAY it until the second movie, but the whole premise is there, and their own damn website says so. You're posting in deception, or in ignorance.
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
you cant get rid of money/property without forcing people to do so(fascist). its not natural, so the resulting unrest wouldn't be in the least bit positive. i completely disagree with it.
i dont really care for the zeitgeist movies.
a resource based economy sounds a lot like the gold standard... sounds exactly like it.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX Now you see where his whacky ideas came from?
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
@UrbanCombatSurvivor
not really. zeitgeist is watched mainly for 9/11 conspiracies.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX Check out the links, do a little research, I think you'll find differently...
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
@UrbanCombatSurvivor
i bet all of my money he was a 9/11 conspirator and not a venus project participant.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX I'm not a gambling man. I'll go with the facts available, and I think you'll lose your money.
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
@UrbanCombatSurvivor
the facts are that movie profoundly changed his world view, nothing is said to specify, so i cannot claim he was a 911 conspiracy nut, and you cant say he was a communist USING THE FACTS AT HAND.
him supporting going to the gold standard is a fact.
him repeating the words of joe miller are fact
him thinking the govt is out to get him is fact.
we can only speculate if he supported zeitgeist or not. so lets stick with the facts, sir.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@ Urban combat survivor.... so is it communism when the governemnt takes your money and chooses to distribute them how they see fit... as in using your taxes for public roads? paying soldiers for national defense? paying for other countries leaders to stay in upper class resorts and get treated to the posh American lifestyle when on diplomatic escapades?
blazinbudsbitch 1 year ago
@blazinbudsbitch Yes, yes it is. At the very least it's a form of socialism. Both are collectivism.
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
@UrbanCombatSurvivor Yes all systems before a RBE lead too a RBE. Then a democracy and freedom lead too some pretty big ideas in this new RBE to. Just as Communism lead too a social based heath care in the leading country's in heath care which are what you call free. Yet what is your idea of freedom voting for 2 puppets?
starknight97 1 year ago
@UrbanCombatSurvivor Thanks I agree, and commend you on your honesty.
blazinbudsbitch 1 year ago
@kendoone
Don't try and refute anything I said, "ol chap." Just attack me instead. Yes, it just makes you look so much better.
Scoped762 1 year ago
I'm guessing you're not too fond of the military industrial complex. I would rather have tax dollars spent mostly on positive rights personally. Fromy my POV, true economic freedom will just lead to instability and I largely consider myself a right wing person.
EnthalpyH 1 year ago
@EnthalpyH "Military Industrial Complex" is a phrase used by left wingers attempting to make our military sound like a menacing threat, IME.
Using our tax dollars to spend on "positive rights", rather than the government not stealing our money in the first place for their social agendas and scams is another mantra of the left.
Saying that economic freedom will lead to instability is likely something I've only heard from radical leftists who promote collectivism under one brand or another.
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
Internet is a wonderful thing, although the openness also includes a vast heap of intellectually unfiltered mental diarrhea by the most simple-minded simpletons with an opinion they think the world must hear.
kendoone 1 year ago
@kendoone Yep, sure is, and it sure does.
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
@UrbanCombatSurvivor
You don't happen to realize that you are one of those I talked about, urban?
If you in your screwed mind would get the idea that GW Bush is a communist, you'd see signs everywhere that supported your strange view, seeing the "government" and the "leftists" trying to hide those "undeniable facts" from the stupid people, right? How good that YOU are someone who knows what's really going on, isn't it? What made you such a fool? Tsss.
kendoone 1 year ago
@kendoone Your oh so thinly veiling personal attack was, alas, not hidden from me. Your followup here inventing things and attributing them to me is further proof of the already suspected density through which your thoughts must slog. I never said GW was communist, or any of the rest of these lies.
Your type turns to personal attacks like these in an attempt to undermine when you have absolutely no ability, to debate in reality with logic. It's a distraction tactic.
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
@UrbanCombatSurvivor
You are the one inventing things in your paranoia, far from any use of logic in your bias.
And you always seem to accuse others of doing what you do yourself without even recognizing it.
Of course you didn't say G WMD Bush was communist, but if you call Loughner a commie because he had the communist manifesto listed among a heap of rightwing books, you can as well call Bush a stalinist.
Stop trying to twist the truth to your likings.
kendoone 1 year ago
@kendoone So you're still weakly arguing the last video, without having taken this video into account?
Yes, lots of intellectual honesty there. *sighs and walks away*
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
@kendoone Finally, personal attacks will get you blocked. If you cannot debate like an adult, you can run off to where the children play until you've grown enough emotionally and intellectually to sit at the table with the adults and enjoy civil discourse.
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
@kendoone My last response was noting the irony; your comment so perfectly applies to itself.
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
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Jared Lee Laughner is not a communist.
His enlightenment stemmed not because of a particular political dogma, and I don't believe he was in favor of one particular kind.
He felt "alive" with the discovery that this reality we have all come to understand as being "real" is actually a lie.
If you review his videos, you can tell that he was more excited than angry.
Currency, flags, religions and academe are all tools for manipulation; police exist to enforce order and counter resistance.
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EssedariusMaiestas 1 year ago
@EssedariusMaiestas So he was being enlightened when he murdered 6 people, including a 9 year old little girl? Yes, he certainly seems enlightened to me now, thank you for showing me his glory. I'll run out right now and join the communist movement now that I see how enlightened it is.
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
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@UrbanCombatSurvivor,
Don't be silly.
His reaction was not appropriate, but understandable given his real view. Still his reaction should not be condoned or copied by anyone. This goes without saying.
You cannot fight the system using the system. Their saws and lawyers to change laws via lawyers? That is illogical. To fight the system by armed assault is suicide. The system is unavoidable due to currency.
Anyone not w/ status quo deemed conspiratorial and labeled w/ a disorder (isolated).
EssedariusMaiestas 1 year ago
@EssedariusMaiestas .
*correction typo*
"You cannot fight the system using the system. Their LAWS and lawyers to change laws via lawyers..."
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EssedariusMaiestas 1 year ago
Since when are communists anti government?
People only say he was a commie because he had the communist manifesto as a favorite book. He also had "We The Living" an Ayn Rand book. Is Ayn Rand a commie?
He sounded totally like a Sovereign Citizen and for a total anarchist society.
AmericanNohbuddy 1 year ago
@AmericanNohbuddy Didn't bother watching the video, huh? *shrugs*
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
How can anyone listen to this rambling, disordered monologue and put a clear political label on him? He mentions the Constitution, currency and grammar but most of it is random and literally illogical. I'm still failing to see this guy's Marxist analysis of society's ills..
I guess links are disabled but Google Jared Lee Loughner Video and click on the TMZ link.
Brian0Redskin0Ultra 1 year ago
@Brian0Redskin0Ultra The link to his channel is in the previous video I did on him. If you watch the videos, then read the links I provided and you do NOT see the connection that seems quite clear and logical to me, then I guess we simply see logical progression differently.
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
communist use money and so does every other ism out there..your not taking things from others if no one has ownership to begin with. you are making things available to every one without the monetary system. im not saying you havnt looked into this but within the hrs of peters radio programs he addreses all of this in plain english..wouldnt it make more sense to site the website in question than an opinion of the website to make your point or are you using it because it helps you make your point
nieldsb 1 year ago
@nieldsb Ah, I see, so if you're not taking anything from anyone, what happens to all of the privately owned land and business when your communism takes over? Do people magically just NEVER have owned things?
Revising the history doesn't work. Communism has ALWAYS and EVERY TIME stolen private property from the people. You cannot name a single instance in history where this hasn't been the case. Not one.
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
@UrbanCombatSurvivor look it up, transition period. once again im not sure if you have looked into this far enough, the pronunciation is even off, zite-geist like site which you would have known had you dont your research. the switch from horse and biggy to cars didnt take place over night, it happened willfully..what part of the it is not communism are you not understanding, you would need a central governing body or state and a monetary system. the venus project advocates none of these.
nieldsb 1 year ago
@nieldsb
The Venus Project advocates a technocracy (look up the definition) and a Marxist economical system.
They promote exactly the same thing the globalists do. Also, the resource based economy crap they spew is just a ploy.
Zeitgeist Movement is a Marxist Theosophist movement and hates all religion and especially hates Jesus Christ. Look up what theosophy is. It is Luciferianism, another type of Satan worship.
Luciferian symbology is all over the Zeitgeist films.
Scoped762 1 year ago
I strongly recommend watching Zeitgeist Moving Forward on Jan 25th, because it will answer alot, but until then. I'm uploading 4 Full Lectures
1. Profile of a Full Economic Collapse
2. A Resource Based Economy
3. The Transition
4. The Zeitgeist Movement Internal STructure
This will really help you alot, and you can read Designing the Future e-book, along with the Zeitgeist Movement Activists orientation guide e-book.
TZMBigsteelguy 1 year ago
@TZMBigsteelguy
Cont 2:
Also the Zeitgeist Movie does not have The Venus Project in it.
That is Zeitgeist 2: Addendum which is where the introduction to Jacque Fresco.
Oh, have you learned what Stateless Communism is? Well i will share another video with you.
So you can learn a bit more.
TZMBigsteelguy 1 year ago
@TZMBigsteelguy
Cont 3:
I hope you watch my 2 videos that i shared with you.
I know how confusing this can be for you about A Resource Based Economy, infact it took me a whole 3 months to finally understand it, and even today i'm still learning more, but i do know it is possible.
FIRST THING PEOPLE MUST DO IS KEEP AN OPEN MIND ABOUT OTHER ALTERNATIVES
Even if it threatens your entire belief system of how the way things ought to be instead of what they can be.
TZMBigsteelguy 1 year ago
@TZMBigsteelguy
There is nothing difficult to understand about it at all. Communism has been branded and rebranded many, many times in some attempt to find a presentation that will outmaneuver people's ability to spot it for what it is.
I don't "not understand" communism, I flat out disagree with it.
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
@TZMBigsteelguy The first Zerigeist is laying the foundation for the second. They are both about the Venus Project, the first one just doesn't state so openly. Read the link about it above.
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
@TZMBigsteelguy Thank you, but I've seen plenty of the communist propaganda already. But feel free to continue emerging yourself in it's mind numbingly deceptive and dishonest presentations.
Communists hide because anyone with a sense of SELF(IE, a natural sense that you are an individual) will always outright reject the snake oil, and the snake oil salesmen, regardless of what name they try to use this week.
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
Now that you're done with the desperate branding, do you want to tell the class that Loughner was a "Sovereign Citizen" i.e. an anti-state libertarian? Or shall I?
IPlayWithFire135 1 year ago
@IPlayWithFire135 Funny, I've put links and logical progression of thought. You're making an outrageous claim with nothing to support it. Care to give any legitimate links to support this?
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
@UrbanCombatSurvivor
You haven't said anything logical. You simply throw zeitgeist and communism together and repeat it over and over in the hopes that your listeners make the connection through some sort of Pavlovian reinforcement effect.
As for evidence, gladly:
"He’s just repeating things I’ve had up on my site the past 11 years.” - David Wynn Miller, prominent activist in the Sovereign Citizen Movement and inspiration to tax evaders all over the country.
IPlayWithFire135 1 year ago
Though no one in the end will be taking away from you instead it more like giving too you. The only problem may be when you sit on a huge gold deposit in the ground say mine. It not be bad if your doing something with the gold but if you horde it then that does make a problem. Why because your friend might have requested gold for new jewelry. Then maybe a inventor needs it for his invention that cleans the air but needs too be very conductive and thin to do so. So gold ends up working best.
starknight97 1 year ago
@starknight97 Oh, so YOU get to decide what someone else does with their gold? Yes, it always comes back to someone stealing from someone else, doesn't it? It always comes back to someone being a tyrant.
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
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@starknight97,
Currency of any type is enslavement.
Politicians of any variety create laws to ensure scarcity for it and of it.
Only one entity of this world controls 99.99% of all gold on this planet, leaving .01% of it for us to fight over.
Guess that entity. It is neither a nation nor a function of it.
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EssedariusMaiestas 1 year ago
@EssedariusMaiestas lol, why would we be fighting over gold in the first place? If gold is so scarce, how is it that everyone you know owns gold in one form or another?
Currency is enslavement? Can you explain how it could possibly be enslavement? Honestly, this sounds like "everyone should own everything"
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
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@UrbanCombatSurvivor,
One cannot eat without currency. One cannot have shelter without currency. One cannot live without currency.
Not everyone has gold, and you cannot possibly know everyone. But if we practice any form of economy, then surely not everyone will own anything. Some win; some lose. This is not pursuant to your creator's design.
But one other thing is absolute. All forms of currency, ie its value, is placed on gold. Control the wealth and your pen becomes a formidable weapon.
EssedariusMaiestas 1 year ago
@EssedariusMaiestas Sure you can. you eat when the farm grows the food ships it to everyone. You have shelter when the robots build it and have it made safe to move into. You then live as you see fit not a slave too the next paycheck at a job you hate. that artificial scarcity. let say every want too own gold in a RBE for some reason their not enough. then you have many option you can make it from lead the same way plutonium made from uranium. You can find new sources as well.
starknight97 1 year ago
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@starknight97,
You cannot hunt without a license -- one needs to pay the government for it AND pay for weapon license.
You cannot fish without a license -- one needs to pay the government for that as well.
You cannot farm without first having a farm-zoned property - which itself has a fee one must pay to the government (tax).
THERE IS NO such thing as PRIVATE PROPERTY-ESPECIALLY IN THE USA.
Drive a car? Want to have a spouse? Cant unless you pay the government.
Freedom is an illusion.
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EssedariusMaiestas 1 year ago
@EssedariusMaiestas ah your talking of our current broken system then. Yes in this capitalism with a slight hint of democratic government your right. Makes you wonder if vetoing for puppet a or puppet b is what people think is freedom.
starknight97 1 year ago
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@starknight97,
All forms of government are broken.
All forms of economy enslave people.
There is no liberty for the law-abiding citizen.
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EssedariusMaiestas 1 year ago
@EssedariusMaiestas This is the encroachment of government into every aspects of our lives. In other words, the transition from a free society into some form of communism/socialism/collectivism.
starknight thinks we need MORE government, MORE regulations, and that Mommy Government should nurse us and provide everything for us from cradle to grave. This is some rebranded form of communism.
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
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@UrbanCombatSurvivor,
Pick a flag, UCS.
Any form of government -by default- requires intrusion to one degree or another; every single one. To suggest that one form of government is better (or worse) than the other is to accept the lie that government is necessary.
Do you believe we have unalienable rights endowed to us by our creator/s?
Do you believe in a god? *(use the 'god' definition established by your cultural upbringing)*
Is the secular doctrine truly being implemented?
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EssedariusMaiestas 1 year ago
@starknight97 Translated into realistic terms as I see themL
You get free food from the bread lines, as they did in Russia(when there's bread to be had). You move into a home you didn&#