People in the "civilized" world do act like rats. From the US in the Philippines to Iraq, from Western-educated "leaders" in Liberia to concentration "asylym seekers' centers" in southern Italy and eastern Greece. From Oakland to London through Cairo. The only thing specific about the "Serb nationalist cult" post-Communism is the name. The ideology is the same everywhere - Jobbik, HSP, Gingrich, Le Pen. the Muslim Brotherhood, Vishva Hindu Pariṣad..
the ontology of killing: a very smart way to describe how the torture of a "tribe" can provoke "blind" aggression. you imprinson them, let them die of hunger, take their eyesight and afterwards let them free...so you can enjoy the game of disorientation and the pure nature of prime instinct. a cruel and kinky way of symbolism but it works.
The video is talking about the political situation in balkan in the 90s. It's a word play; "rat" means "war" in Serbian; she is talking about why people were killing each other in the war.
This is brilliant! If we are "wild" in the Balkans, as the media said in 1999, let us show you exactly what wild is. What eugenics and Social Darwinism are (what Marina describes here - both are certainly not Balkan inventions). How capitalism works. How individuality works. What you are afraid of, Eumerica, what you project on us, is are fears about your own society. What Marina says here, I think, is that we are all both rats and people at the same time.
@Indianielsen something that is so utterly inexpressible through any other means than the exact time and medium the artist chooses. and because of that, in a word, it's moving. this is doesn't feel like that. nor does it feel funny in a flippant, glib, throwaway fashion. rather it just feels like something one endures on a first date with a poet.
shes exploiting her origins in quite a non creative way, all of this "in Balkans we this, and that" is like if a person from California said "...we in California treat stupidity with medicinal marijuana" or "we in new york exploit our cultural heritage when ever in need of fast publicity stunt " ...now that's creative
Art my ass, she does not have a F* clue of what shes doing xD
@ERBITONE Slusaj me, slepce siptarski bez domovine, gde sam ja napisao da sam ucestvovao u ijednom ratu, a pogotovu gde da sam se borio na strani balijandera u opkoljenom Sarajevu? GDe i kada? Preciziraj ili prekini da lazes vise iz svoje bolesne pomijare!
@ERBITONE Gde i kada sam ja rekao da sam bio u Sarajevu za vreme rata? Boli me kurac gde je bila tvoja odrodjena familija, ionako ste izgubili taj rat, pa se i danas zbirate po Zidanom mostu i Kocevskom rogu, ali ta je prica stvarno ispricana i to me vise ne zanima, pomirite se vec jednom da ste gubitnici! a sada, stetnice, kazi gde sam ja pisao da sam ucestvovao u ratu?
@Zalogare SLUSAJ OVOJE PREVEDENO SA MOJE POSTE..OVO NIKAD JOS NIGDE
NIJE PROCITAO,,TI SI PRVI KONJU.Најновије у високе технологије безбедности - живи миш
Израелски покретање Компанија БиоЕкплорерс су развили нов и јединствен начин да се "снифф" за терористе. После много година истраживања су БиоЕкплорерс развили нову потпуно безбедан и лак начин за откривање експлозива и дроге.
@Zalogare sta nije u redu sa tobom? O.o ako ti je ono normalno i ako je ono umetnost idite svi lecite se....pola sveta zbog koje kakvih gluposti nas mrzi jos nam samo fale ovi opiceni po mozgu da nas brukuju...jesi uopste citao komentare? i jel ti ono stvarno normalno????
@BesomarSRB Kao prvo, nas pola sveta mrzi zbog propagande (upali smo u taj medijski mejnstrim CNN-a i ostalih klosara i to sada moramo da kusamo dok se neko drugi na Balkanskom poluostrvu ne nasanka). Kao drugo ovo jeste umetnost, a kao trece nigde se ovde ne spominju Srbi i Srbija, nego Balkan. A umetnost se ne procenjuje po tome jesi li Srbin ili nisi i da li to koristi Hrvatu ili steti Siptaru, nego po dometima. Prema umetnickom delu treba da imas distancu, a ne da budes zagrizeni...
@BesomarSRB I zar mora svaki klip, bez obzira o cemu se radi da smrdi od nacionalizma? Nijedan narod na svetu nema toliko kompleksa koliko imaju svi narodi u nasem okruzenju, ukljucujuci i nas.
@Zalogare posle onolikih sranja i nemali ih....zasto su oni svi bolji od nas da nas pljuju naokolo....samo nam jos treba ovakva umetnost da nam se svi smeju :(
@BesomarSRB haha, Marini Abramovic je upravo dat ceo Guggenheim muzej u New York-u za izlozbu svih njenih dela tokom krijere. Na akademijama sirom sveta predaju se lekcije o njenim radovima josh od kasnih 70tih, a za razna gostovanja po svetu naplacuje cifre sa mnogo nula.
@K1ALBOGANGSTA E vërtet është se nuk mundemi të gjith me kuptu artin njësoj, përndryshe arti ish kanë i pavlershëm, por qka më bënë për të qeshur me kommentin tanë është ignoranca që aqë qartë e tregon.Ti, në njërin andë mundohesh më thënë qe Abramovic është e budallshëm dhe edhe më tepër e thirrë "serbitch" si të të thënd se është edhe më e budallshëm sepse është serbe, në tjetrën andë pe kundershton kunderstimin a sej kunder akte të serbve vet!Kur nuk e kupton artin, mos e kundershto, po pyes!
@K1ALBOGANGSTA Ose me qartë; kjo monolog është një metaforë për qysh kanë vepru politikanët në të gjithë Ballkanin. Ne filmin e saj "My Star" Abramovic vetë ka thënë që i ka ardhë marrë me pa se si kanë vepru politikanët serbe gjatë luftës së Ballkanit.
Mos e deno një person vetem prej prejardhjes i ti. Mendoj si sigurisht e ki ni vetën keq kur dikush të ka gjyku keq sepse je shqiptar. Mos e bërë t¨njejtën tjerve!
i like to tell you a story...how we in Turkey kill the rats...we are going to a shop and buying rat poison.after the rats are poisoned they are trembling and dying.(now im taking my underwear off and begin to dance
There are primitive people everywhere and generations before were primitive in general but I didn't hear about this crap people in Balcan did. This woman is big lie seller, so called fog seller. She is .!. in her mind.
@MrZagubica I think you've got the whole thing a bit wrong :P she isn't actually claiming that people do this to rats in Balkan. She's making a political statement to say the least, and I think her interpretation of how everything came about to go shit in yugoslavia is basically put into a concise and truthful story (or well...as truthful as a metaphor of this kind can become).
Personally I think Marina is wonderful :) Hope you learn to appreciate her art as well :)
it's so sad how people like Marina are sending a wrong picture to the world about Balkan, art, etc. she is hiding behind so-called art of hers so she could make money and manipulate with people's emotions and future opinions within a very sensitive subject! she sickens me!!!
YOu can say that its crazy, but if you say that this is just garbage then just please, please don't ever ever eeeeeeever think about trying to understand art, because you'r just a poor ignorant...
@colfr10 If you provide me an explanation how this is art, ill respect your opinion. Explain how is this art? Is this little made up false story she made up art? Is her dance at the end art? If so, what does that dance represent? What does the music represent? Does the video have deeper meaning than it would appear after you watch it for the first time? If so, what is that meaning? Please explain. I've asked this many "art experts", and nobody gave me a single answer except "you dont get it".
@derbigpr500 - I don't know who you asked about this piece, but I think its a silly answer if they just said "you don't get it." Because art isn't properly taught in school, understanding art since modernism is frustrating w/o going to art school. I hadn't seen this piece before, so what I did was just research it on my own. Keep in mind it's only a clip from a movie as well. Here's blog post speaking about it if that helps>reflectupon.blogspot.com/2007/12/how-we-in-balkans-kill-rats.html
i would like to say something about this, to help you understand this short monologue of Marinas(it's only my interpretation nad opinion, so i dont claim its 100% right):
as a young man who is raised on the balkan area, i can see a strong metaphore of historical acts of balkan people, mainly slavic cultural group,.
it is all about civil war and suffering of one, same people, ex-yugoslavs
who were so blinded by the false light of great world forces, mainly america.
@crklaksendza I FUCKING KNEW IT!! I know loads of Slavic people who came to Sweden (my country) just because of the war. I've heard their stories. I feel their pain.
yes we balkans are ferocious ppl. and marina abramovic is the cultivated balkan who escaped balkan misery and came to the west to tell stories and cry about the situation in the balkans. go pee, that's what i say
@MysticalBaby I was at the exhibit also, there were a lot of warnings by the entrance. I dont believe in judgment so im not gonna give you one, all i can tell you is that art is completely subjective, thats why there are so many definitions of it. The point of the two nude persons standing at the back "door way" was to make you feel something. The point of art is feeling, tell me did you feel something other than embarrassment? Dont judge what you can not understand!
@xxdiogenescynicxx I suggest you try to make something better and show it to us. She's great and her 'The Artist is Present' is a very good work of her. You think she would've come as far as she did, making garbage? Stop crying over how you dislike it, and start working on something you think is worth seeing more, I wish you good luck. Marina is great, and so is modern art! Did you know this isn't even modern art, but performance art? Now go learn your art history. Kthnxbye.
@xxdiogenescynicxx I clarify to you honey (cause it seems quite well that you don't know enything about art, I study art history and its complex, you cant learn art history in a Gombrich book and voila tout!) that MODERN ART is art going from de beginning of the XX century to the Expressionnisme Abstrait of Pollock, de Koonning, Rothko bla bla, from that time on, meaning 60s is considered contemporary art, and thus Picasso is not considered to be influential in this nouvelle periode d'art...
I honestly thought I was done with this hack... but you people can't seem to understand not everyone likes what you like and can't just move on with making your moronic remarks to all my comments. None of you have yet to answer my original post as to what is so artistic about her. Instead you just make these lame ass insults. Your just further proving my point there is nothing artistic about her for you to explain.
@khamsin59 who cares. This b*tch isn't Edgar Allen Poe and she doesn't even know what imagery is. That's why this crap makes no sense. What more could we expect from this talentless hack. "This is how we kill rats in Balkan" no "this is how we waste people time" should be the title of this piece. Hey I'm out of sh*tty stories to tell watch me dance horribly now yaay a red scarf.
@put1t1nh I don't pay attention to this fraud. I saw one of her lame "art" videos or whatever made a comment long ago then get criticized for not liking this crap. You people are out your damn minds your as loony as this chick is. This isn't art this a bunch of bullsh*t pretending to be art.
@ladygodia I don't think she qualifies as a fraud. By definition, anything that allows you to express yourself in a stylistic matter is art. It doesn't need to make sense. Actually, some people prefer art that's abstract or nonsensical. Fraudulent artists are those who claim someone else creation as their own. You can still dislike what Marina does, but you can't deny the fact that it's art nonetheless.
@ladygodia I hate it when I see fellow Americans display their ignorance to the world. If you want to know, ask politely. If you don't want to know, just shut up and walk away. Have a little self-respect, please.
@put1t1nh how do you know what country I'm from or what my nationality is? and
2. crap is universal. It doesn't matter what country or what nationality the foul mess comes from it still smell like CRAP!. There's nothing artistic about some woman standing around telling a story that makes no sense (not even metaphorically) then dances around with a ribbon. No my friend this isn't art this is bullsh*t.
@khamsin59 "if you removed your head from you anus everything you "see" might not "smell" like crap... hmm tell me what's wrong with that sentence of yours? I didn't know human beings can now smell with their eyes! Behold evolution is at work! Sorry your offended by people who can sense and admire the talent of true artist. This fraud isn't one of them. Just pretentious garbage, what's so deep about her story of killing rats? spoiler alert...the rats = people holy crap she M. Night Shyamalan me!
@ladygodia i will say once again that art is subjective, as i said to another girl one minute ago, whats the point of judging? Marina made her point when she made you furious, the point of this videos, exhibits, etc is to make you feel something, me personally makes me histerical, that doesnt mean that i have to judge someones honest work.
@lorelaipena she never made me furious just curious as to how she considers herself an artist with this talentless trash. I don't think the point of her pretentious work is to make people feel like she is wasting their time and money. I've seen more talented acts at the subway station (seriously). People don't understand Picasso but at least his art work took him years to craft. His paintings stand for something and have a many interpretations. That is true art. This...is trash.
@IskArioT27 You just can't see it!!! Contempporary art gets away form traditional art, form its sculpoture and the paintings that are so related to la bourgeoisie!!! From the 60s appears the Nouveau Realisme, Pop art in the US, Minimalisme and then appears Happenings and Performances! You must learn a lot of things! This is performance, this period of time gets aways form esthetic concepts, its not looking for beauty. it represents the art object, the body es a medium, experimental music....
@ladygodia I think to understand why what she does is considered art you need to take into acount that the most influential artist of the 20th century is not Picasso but Duchamp, at least to the contemporary art world. Mabey if you look into his work than this peice will fit into place in the contemporarly art world.
@almanacofsleep that is of course assuming your not familar with Duchamp, you could already have a great grasp of modern art and just think she's shit. At the risk of sounding like a cop-out, art is subjective, to each his own blah blah blah.
@put1t1nh you want theatrics watch a play, you want to see art go look at a sculpture or a painting, you want to see live art watch acrobatics, you want to see half assessed bullsh*t watch this talentless garbage. It's not called "ignorance" it's called having taste. This garbage is an insult to real artist that work hard perfecting their talents so that one day it will be recognized. There's nothing talented about this woman. She's a hack making money of of idiots like you.
well ,the title is supposed to be shocking and the story too but that don't add any value to them .this is just a childish thought in an unadapted ''mature'' mind . is just a Kitsch ,nothing more than that .
I was gripped by the story - completely desensitized by all the killing. It was when she said that they gorge out the rat's eyes, and let it free to kill other rats that I realized how morbid it really was.
And then she began to dance. I couldn't help but feel shocked that I didn't react initially to such an inhumane thing. The dance symbolized the sense of accomplishment a catcher would feel, and how as an audience we are expected to be happy for destroying a rodent "manifestation".
Rat= ethnic Albanians, water=everything needed to sate basic human needs, rat who survives only to kill off the rats outside the experiment= the police, the fascist soldiers, the riot cops In many third world countries. The dance at the end is meant to be an ironic counter point to her story of extermination. I assume the dance is some sort of specific dance done by the Albanians.....
@tvb126 title: Kovács Apollónia -Adjon isten szekeret -
This is a hungarian song, from a genre of not too high standard, but its very popular(mulatós). This kind of genre is a typical east-europian and balcanic phenomena, connected to the culture of low-educated, simple people and to a certain extent originated from folk.
This isn't an indication of their weak education but rather shows how perceptive they were. It indicates their acuity needed in order to survive! I know how problematic their life still is because I'm Greek, and as far as I've been told by my parents, life in the 60s in Greece was difficult if you weren't rich. So they had to make up such strategies to finish the work to be completed. It definitely wasn't the life they were dreaming of but they learned to deal with it.
Why try to educate people who have not taken the time to read 20th century philosophy ,semiotics,aesthetics. Their opinions matter like the herd .They are what we fight against.Rarely is an informal lesson gonna open their mind.
It's a brilliant way to see metaphoric picture of human being used as experimental rats (like in some kind of behavioristic psyhology politic). It is cynicle, though it is tragedy of human kind at all (Balkan is just another rat-lab). It doesn't necessery demands political interpretation... but in other side, if a man is nothing more than (Aristotles) "zoon politikon" this could be the 'one way street' of his destiny.
@SimonSezam oh yeah, i forgot. The DANCE at the end. Remember Pavlov's dog? Classical conditioning? Well... dance is final reward - what you get for being good doggy. In Serbia it is called "hleba i igara" (lat. panem et circenses). No need to draw. Brilliant performance.
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She was at the MOMA today. Fortunately, I did not go to the floor she was on, but my friends did and they said they felt disturbed after seeing her. Understand kids as young as 6 can be there, I'm 15. This sociopath and some other man were completely nude standing in the doorway. There were NO warnings about this. Nudity isn't art. It's just an excuse for sex addicts to show their/others body. If live nudity is art, you might as well murder someone in public and call it art
@MysticalBaby I have seen the exhibit as well. There were signs at the front of the gallery that warned you about live nudity and disturbing imagery. Most people distractedly just walked by the sign, but I read it and was fully aware of what I was getting into. Though the gallery was quite alarming, I can't stay I wasn't warned well in advance.
"Nudity isn't art" is one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard. I've seen more nudity in my art history class than that entire Abramovic exhibit.
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@evilpeaches7 Um, nudity ISN'T art. That's not ignorant. And if it is then it shouldn't be put in museums in public. Genitals are nicknamed "privates" for a reason. They aren't meant to be shown to the world. That's disgusting and inhumane. We are a civilized society. We have clothing now that is meant to be worn on the body. So wear it. How pathetic one must be to draw something like that and call it art.
@MysticalBaby until I saw this exhibit I agreed with what you said, but the feeling of this display blends with such psychosis and suffering that the nudity just makes them seem more real. you don't see them as people, you see them as humans just the way you'd look at a herd of animals. Abramović did an amazing job conveying emotion in her exhibit, i was really impressed. it's not just nudists standing around, there are films with meaning just as any painting. go see it before you judge.
@MysticalBaby What are you talking about? You were BORN naked, so how is nudity "disgusting and inhumane"? It's the natural appearance of all things. Clothing is a human invention because of our lack of fur to protect us from the elements. Art classes regularly bring in nude models.
By your standards, the Venus de Milo is a scar upon all that is decent, Botticelli's Birth of Venus is a vulgarity, and Michelangelo's David is simply disgusting and shouldn't belong in museums. Wow.
@MysticalBaby ahaha, you're so funny. C'mon, seriously? You can't be. Wake up. I'm trying not to disrespect your opinion, but it's kinda hard when you're disrespecting my own, and a ton of other people's too.
Being naked is pathetic? Maybe. But so is wearing clothes. --- what I want to say is: don't make such a big deal out of it. One minute you're wearing clothes, the next you're not. Simple as that. Or you don't shower? You do, just not in public, right? Whatever, no difference to me.
@inEzEsquilo Again, I wouldn't be making a big deal about it if our, Americas, culture wasn't based on sex. That's why it's pathetic. You expect men to go into this exhibit and care more about the artistic meaning of nudity than the arousal they are feeling and how hot the people look? C'mon, seriously?
@MysticalBaby Humm. Okay, now you do have a point. I still can't agree with you, but I surely can respect your point of view now ;)
Although, the more those men see nudity, the more it starts to be something natural, the less it will be such a sexual thing. But you're right, that still will be something hard to accomplish to most people (thinking that nudity is natural).
@MysticalBaby Except, that's actually what happened. It was actually pretty sterile and not particularly arousing. Nudity itself often is far less arousing than covered nudity. Don't forget, that in other countries (maybe Iran) where the culture "isn't based on sex," whatever that even means, (don't forget, human existence is based on sex.) they would say something similar, like "How can you care about artistic meaning when they show their calves and uncovered hair like sluts."
@haltoloverxxx are you sure? i live in the civilized part of the United States, and people sure do act like rats.
brightstripes420 1 day ago
@hatloverxxx
People in the "civilized" world do act like rats. From the US in the Philippines to Iraq, from Western-educated "leaders" in Liberia to concentration "asylym seekers' centers" in southern Italy and eastern Greece. From Oakland to London through Cairo. The only thing specific about the "Serb nationalist cult" post-Communism is the name. The ideology is the same everywhere - Jobbik, HSP, Gingrich, Le Pen. the Muslim Brotherhood, Vishva Hindu Pariṣad..
jovanovm 1 week ago
the ontology of killing: a very smart way to describe how the torture of a "tribe" can provoke "blind" aggression. you imprinson them, let them die of hunger, take their eyesight and afterwards let them free...so you can enjoy the game of disorientation and the pure nature of prime instinct. a cruel and kinky way of symbolism but it works.
soschwerzufinden 2 weeks ago 2
@soschwerzufinden It describes the new Serb nationalist cult, post-Communism
hatloverxxx 1 week ago
(after being starved and having his eyes poked out) ....."now, the rat is nervous....."
1960markN 3 weeks ago
I'm in THAT part of YouTube again...
KorAnos1 1 month ago 3
The video is talking about the political situation in balkan in the 90s. It's a word play; "rat" means "war" in Serbian; she is talking about why people were killing each other in the war.
PigeonMal 1 month ago 2
@PigeonMal Great insight
hatloverxxx 1 week ago
This is brilliant! If we are "wild" in the Balkans, as the media said in 1999, let us show you exactly what wild is. What eugenics and Social Darwinism are (what Marina describes here - both are certainly not Balkan inventions). How capitalism works. How individuality works. What you are afraid of, Eumerica, what you project on us, is are fears about your own society. What Marina says here, I think, is that we are all both rats and people at the same time.
jovanovm 2 months ago 6
@jovanovm fag.
DoubleAssClown 3 weeks ago
@jovanovm People in the civilised world don't act like rats.
hatloverxxx 1 week ago
jebem ti mater!
vladavoliaki 3 months ago
wtf?
dijanaNSserbia 3 months ago
This is about how a crazy bitch kills rats. Dont pay attention to her.
TheBladeEdge 3 months ago
In the America of U.S .we kill rats and have them for lunch.
buckwats 3 months ago 3
in soviet russia, however, rat's eyeballs pluck out YUR knaife.
ursie1986 3 months ago
I just... I... what.
Ixmucane2012 3 months ago 2
:| just made me feel bad
MsMisspirate 4 months ago
This is crap. Not even remotely art.
smpblogger 4 months ago
@smpblogger And art is?
Indianielsen 3 months ago
@Indianielsen something that is so utterly inexpressible through any other means than the exact time and medium the artist chooses. and because of that, in a word, it's moving. this is doesn't feel like that. nor does it feel funny in a flippant, glib, throwaway fashion. rather it just feels like something one endures on a first date with a poet.
ursie1986 3 months ago
Can someone explain this to me?
stphstrwbrrygl 4 months ago
lmfao this is so true. and i'm albanian. it's not literally about rats geniuses.
CARMINEOWNZ 5 months ago
EPIC TRAGEDY OF THE RAT FAMILY until....
1:33 uplifting ethnic music
Ironfistofchaos 6 months ago
*fucking
neoncatsss 6 months ago
I really like this, and I love Marina's work.
Anyone who says this is shit is a ducking dumbass who obviously can't appreciate art.
neoncatsss 6 months ago
disgusting serbian trash
stri9 6 months ago
so its okay to kill animals in the most sick and gruesome way possible in the name of culture?
madorao 6 months ago
shes exploiting her origins in quite a non creative way, all of this "in Balkans we this, and that" is like if a person from California said "...we in California treat stupidity with medicinal marijuana" or "we in new york exploit our cultural heritage when ever in need of fast publicity stunt " ...now that's creative
Art my ass, she does not have a F* clue of what shes doing xD
LoborMusic 7 months ago
I want to kill her !!!!
BesomarSRB 7 months ago
@BesomarSRB Why?
Zalogare 5 months ago
@Zalogare i'm serb and her talking shit about as...we are not like this...u must understand...and this is not art
BesomarSRB 5 months ago
@BesomarSRB Nikada nisam cuo da je Marina Abramovic pricala nesto lose o nama. A ovo jeste savremena umetnost, druga je stvar sto ti to ne razumes!
Zalogare 5 months ago
@Zalogare pogledaj Marina Abramović - Balkan Erotic Epic -
pogledaj komentare i snimak i sve ce ti biti jasno
BesomarSRB 5 months ago
@BesomarSRB Pogledao sam upravo. I?
Zalogare 5 months ago
@Zalogare Gde si pesko,sta se hvalis po tubetu da si bio u redovima kod Divljaka,i
da si ti oslobodio Grbavicu.Dzukac,manse tvoje idiotdske price,,sranja,bolesniku
kada te budu cetnici uhvatili drace te ko jagnje za SV.Djurdjevdan..hrk pljuc bedo.
ERBITONE 5 months ago
@ERBITONE Indijancu, kako sam mogao da budem u ratu kada sam tada imao nepunih osam godina?
Zalogare 5 months ago
@Zalogare Ti pises po tubetu..a ne ja..I upamti..dobro citaj..Balkanu se tek lose pise..Sto
posto..mnogo lose..Besaces ka bukoviku,zabljaku,durmitoru,ali stici neces..oooooo usa
nato volim te.
ERBITONE 5 months ago
@ERBITONE Slusaj me, slepce siptarski bez domovine, gde sam ja napisao da sam ucestvovao u ijednom ratu, a pogotovu gde da sam se borio na strani balijandera u opkoljenom Sarajevu? GDe i kada? Preciziraj ili prekini da lazes vise iz svoje bolesne pomijare!
Zalogare 5 months ago
@Zalogare Ti ti si balija..alija..a ja ne..ja sam iz gornjeg bukovika..a ne prodanko..
moji su bili uz bjelicu..medenicu i sipcica..a ne borili se za muje.Znam sranje
Stevana Dedijera-srbin..ustasa..tudjmanov covek..prodana dusa..izdajnik..licno
sam ga ...??? nije ni znao..sta je sta...ali ga je vise puta popusio....i ti ces.
ERBITONE 5 months ago
@ERBITONE Gde i kada sam ja rekao da sam bio u Sarajevu za vreme rata? Boli me kurac gde je bila tvoja odrodjena familija, ionako ste izgubili taj rat, pa se i danas zbirate po Zidanom mostu i Kocevskom rogu, ali ta je prica stvarno ispricana i to me vise ne zanima, pomirite se vec jednom da ste gubitnici! a sada, stetnice, kazi gde sam ja pisao da sam ucestvovao u ratu?
Zalogare 5 months ago
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@Zalogare ❤❤❤ I LOVE VERY VERY MUCH USA ❤❤❤
ERBITONE 5 months ago
@Zalogare SLUSAJ OVOJE PREVEDENO SA MOJE POSTE..OVO NIKAD JOS NIGDE
NIJE PROCITAO,,TI SI PRVI KONJU.Најновије у високе технологије безбедности - живи миш
Израелски покретање Компанија БиоЕкплорерс су развили нов и јединствен начин да се "снифф" за терористе. После много година истраживања су БиоЕкплорерс развили нову потпуно безбедан и лак начин за откривање експлозива и дроге.
Обично се користе пси за ову сврху.TRANSLATE.
I onda mozes zamisliti kako sam bedan..pobegulja
ERBITONE 5 months ago
@ERBITONE Ma, mjebe mi se za te tvoje gluposti! Kqada sam ja i gde ucestvovao u ratu i gde sam to napisao?
Zalogare 5 months ago
@Zalogare sta nije u redu sa tobom? O.o ako ti je ono normalno i ako je ono umetnost idite svi lecite se....pola sveta zbog koje kakvih gluposti nas mrzi jos nam samo fale ovi opiceni po mozgu da nas brukuju...jesi uopste citao komentare? i jel ti ono stvarno normalno????
BesomarSRB 5 months ago
@BesomarSRB Kao prvo, nas pola sveta mrzi zbog propagande (upali smo u taj medijski mejnstrim CNN-a i ostalih klosara i to sada moramo da kusamo dok se neko drugi na Balkanskom poluostrvu ne nasanka). Kao drugo ovo jeste umetnost, a kao trece nigde se ovde ne spominju Srbi i Srbija, nego Balkan. A umetnost se ne procenjuje po tome jesi li Srbin ili nisi i da li to koristi Hrvatu ili steti Siptaru, nego po dometima. Prema umetnickom delu treba da imas distancu, a ne da budes zagrizeni...
Zalogare 5 months ago
@Zalogare aham...umetnik...sve mi je jasno
BesomarSRB 5 months ago
@BesomarSRB I zar mora svaki klip, bez obzira o cemu se radi da smrdi od nacionalizma? Nijedan narod na svetu nema toliko kompleksa koliko imaju svi narodi u nasem okruzenju, ukljucujuci i nas.
Zalogare 5 months ago
@Zalogare posle onolikih sranja i nemali ih....zasto su oni svi bolji od nas da nas pljuju naokolo....samo nam jos treba ovakva umetnost da nam se svi smeju :(
BesomarSRB 5 months ago
@BesomarSRB haha, Marini Abramovic je upravo dat ceo Guggenheim muzej u New York-u za izlozbu svih njenih dela tokom krijere. Na akademijama sirom sveta predaju se lekcije o njenim radovima josh od kasnih 70tih, a za razna gostovanja po svetu naplacuje cifre sa mnogo nula.
Pa ti vidi sad dal si informisan.
GrooveInYourOwnTime 1 month ago
I think I've just been trolled hard.
simoncpu 7 months ago
>my face when not even serbian song at the end
Szgerle 7 months ago 3
art is stupid
The11colek 8 months ago
HAHHAHAHAHAH XD XD XD SUTPID SERBITCHES
K1ALBOGANGSTA 8 months ago
@K1ALBOGANGSTA errrmmm.... Kur mesohesh qka është arti mundesh me u kthy dhe me lanë një koment.
Racist dipshit
freakonly4u 8 months ago
@freakonly4u ky nuk ka kur far lidhje me art kjo eshte budallaki dhe pervers
K1ALBOGANGSTA 8 months ago
@K1ALBOGANGSTA E vërtet është se nuk mundemi të gjith me kuptu artin njësoj, përndryshe arti ish kanë i pavlershëm, por qka më bënë për të qeshur me kommentin tanë është ignoranca që aqë qartë e tregon.Ti, në njërin andë mundohesh më thënë qe Abramovic është e budallshëm dhe edhe më tepër e thirrë "serbitch" si të të thënd se është edhe më e budallshëm sepse është serbe, në tjetrën andë pe kundershton kunderstimin a sej kunder akte të serbve vet!Kur nuk e kupton artin, mos e kundershto, po pyes!
freakonly4u 8 months ago
@K1ALBOGANGSTA Ose me qartë; kjo monolog është një metaforë për qysh kanë vepru politikanët në të gjithë Ballkanin. Ne filmin e saj "My Star" Abramovic vetë ka thënë që i ka ardhë marrë me pa se si kanë vepru politikanët serbe gjatë luftës së Ballkanit.
Mos e deno një person vetem prej prejardhjes i ti. Mendoj si sigurisht e ki ni vetën keq kur dikush të ka gjyku keq sepse je shqiptar. Mos e bërë t¨njejtën tjerve!
freakonly4u 8 months ago
@freakonly4u aha
K1ALBOGANGSTA 8 months ago
i like to tell you a story...how we in Turkey kill the rats...we are going to a shop and buying rat poison.after the rats are poisoned they are trembling and dying.(now im taking my underwear off and begin to dance
thealanyabuyukotel 8 months ago 16
There are primitive people everywhere and generations before were primitive in general but I didn't hear about this crap people in Balcan did. This woman is big lie seller, so called fog seller. She is .!. in her mind.
MrZagubica 9 months ago
@MrZagubica I think you've got the whole thing a bit wrong :P she isn't actually claiming that people do this to rats in Balkan. She's making a political statement to say the least, and I think her interpretation of how everything came about to go shit in yugoslavia is basically put into a concise and truthful story (or well...as truthful as a metaphor of this kind can become).
Personally I think Marina is wonderful :) Hope you learn to appreciate her art as well :)
freakonly4u 8 months ago 4
it's so sad how people like Marina are sending a wrong picture to the world about Balkan, art, etc. she is hiding behind so-called art of hers so she could make money and manipulate with people's emotions and future opinions within a very sensitive subject! she sickens me!!!
grRrRraAaARrRR 9 months ago
KILL....KENNEDY....KILL...KENNEDY...
Noziac 9 months ago
Wa the hell!...Thats just bloody cruel!!
bexiihulse 10 months ago
thumbs up if this woman made you never want to visit the balkans.
Milkyiscolossal 10 months ago 9
@Milkyiscolossal
yeah, we have cool accents though, cannot be denied.
FliegendeHollaender 1 week ago
that would make a good video game.
johnrskie 10 months ago
What is this I don't even
kinderstrudel 10 months ago 4
what the fuck just happened in the end.
Anonymous34223 10 months ago
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this bitch is fucking nuts
SuckinDee 10 months ago
and what did these fuckers get by torturing rats?
madorao 10 months ago
i dont think this is where i parked my car lol
KINGhotaru11 10 months ago 6
this is not about rats, is it?
phlexonance 10 months ago 77
@phlexonance
amazingly enough...
it REALLY DOES have to do with garbage.
alphafactor 8 months ago
"rats like to kill shit"...Annnnnd "SEXY TIME!"
unholymethod 10 months ago 2
what she said is so true
msbrainz 10 months ago
@msbrainz
sorry, not only for the balkans
msbrainz 10 months ago
her Rhythm0 from 1974 is the most amazing piece of performance art ever.
mehigh2marsiansky 11 months ago
looool
LDNB100 11 months ago
Lets do it with you and your group that does these retarded experiments aka ''art''
Laszczka 1 year ago
@Laszczka
someone allready did that with ppl in balkan.
MrGroteska 11 months ago
what a tart!
majorferret 1 year ago
Modern "art"=garbage.
xxdiogenescynicxx 1 year ago
@xxdiogenescynicxx hahah good point.
diegoloxa92 1 year ago
YOu can say that its crazy, but if you say that this is just garbage then just please, please don't ever ever eeeeeeever think about trying to understand art, because you'r just a poor ignorant...
colfr10 1 year ago
@colfr10,go suck an egg,this is GGGGGAAAARRRBBBBAAAAGGGGEEEE
Blakewhite420 1 year ago
@colfr10 If you provide me an explanation how this is art, ill respect your opinion. Explain how is this art? Is this little made up false story she made up art? Is her dance at the end art? If so, what does that dance represent? What does the music represent? Does the video have deeper meaning than it would appear after you watch it for the first time? If so, what is that meaning? Please explain. I've asked this many "art experts", and nobody gave me a single answer except "you dont get it".
derbigpr500 10 months ago
@derbigpr500 - I don't know who you asked about this piece, but I think its a silly answer if they just said "you don't get it." Because art isn't properly taught in school, understanding art since modernism is frustrating w/o going to art school. I hadn't seen this piece before, so what I did was just research it on my own. Keep in mind it's only a clip from a movie as well. Here's blog post speaking about it if that helps>reflectupon.blogspot.com/2007/12/how-we-in-balkans-kill-rats.html
Y0UTopia 10 months ago
@derbigpr500
i would like to say something about this, to help you understand this short monologue of Marinas(it's only my interpretation nad opinion, so i dont claim its 100% right):
as a young man who is raised on the balkan area, i can see a strong metaphore of historical acts of balkan people, mainly slavic cultural group,.
it is all about civil war and suffering of one, same people, ex-yugoslavs
who were so blinded by the false light of great world forces, mainly america.
crklaksendza 10 months ago
@crklaksendza
basicly, its complicated and it's political propaganda, so take a book of the modern history,
lets say from 19th century, read it, and it's going to open your eyes...
this is not abstract, it's just a story with rats, and the rats are yugoslavs, the rat-catcher politicians,
the cage is balkan area, so... very political, hardcore satirical....
crklaksendza 10 months ago 5
@crklaksendza I FUCKING KNEW IT!! I know loads of Slavic people who came to Sweden (my country) just because of the war. I've heard their stories. I feel their pain.
Theowest 9 months ago
THAT IS PRETTY FUCKED UP!!!!!
mrbuster1964 1 year ago 2
her pronounce of english is awful
neuronespecchio 1 year ago
@neuronespecchio
and your grammar is appalling.
GeneralFstck 1 year ago
@GeneralFstck
i'm not english,but italian.
hey,you're very very kind,dear man,o girl
neuronespecchio 1 year ago
@GeneralFstck
anyway,i love mrs.abramovic's works...and courage
neuronespecchio 1 year ago
Wow!
hollywood95 1 year ago
yes we balkans are ferocious ppl. and marina abramovic is the cultivated balkan who escaped balkan misery and came to the west to tell stories and cry about the situation in the balkans. go pee, that's what i say
glglg251 1 year ago
@glglg251 symfono mazi s
splicanin986 1 year ago
Call it what you like, this is a ridiculous thing to behold.
TheBigMclargehuge 1 year ago
The dance and the Romanian music in the end really give it a "Balkan atmosphere".
89moonboy 1 year ago
Nice work. Thanks.
EGI313 1 year ago
dramatic
MIDJOBZ 1 year ago
@MysticalBaby I was at the exhibit also, there were a lot of warnings by the entrance. I dont believe in judgment so im not gonna give you one, all i can tell you is that art is completely subjective, thats why there are so many definitions of it. The point of the two nude persons standing at the back "door way" was to make you feel something. The point of art is feeling, tell me did you feel something other than embarrassment? Dont judge what you can not understand!
lorelaipena 1 year ago
Your looking for a deep meaning in something that had no deep meaning to begin with. Marina Abramović = the Troll of the art industry.
ladygodia 1 year ago
@ladygodia Exactly she sucks. Modern art shouldn't even be classified as art, it is garbage.
xxdiogenescynicxx 1 year ago
@xxdiogenescynicxx I suggest you try to make something better and show it to us. She's great and her 'The Artist is Present' is a very good work of her. You think she would've come as far as she did, making garbage? Stop crying over how you dislike it, and start working on something you think is worth seeing more, I wish you good luck. Marina is great, and so is modern art! Did you know this isn't even modern art, but performance art? Now go learn your art history. Kthnxbye.
Wynter192 1 year ago 21
@Wynter192 in your opinion , how is this art?
blackReader19 8 months ago
@Wynter192
This is a massive load of shit.
Tinkeruk2010 8 months ago
@Wynter192
>>You think she would've come as far as she did, making garbage?
the staying power of garbage in cinema is incredible. so... YES, I DO THINK SHE WOULD HAVE MADE IT THIS FAR MAKING GARBAGE!!
alphafactor 8 months ago
@alphafactor And you think this is cinema...do you? Interesting assessment.
chandru1103 8 months ago
@Wynter192
how the FUCK is nonsense speech art? I guess that means Hitlers speeches were art right?
10lettername 6 months ago
@10lettername You fail logic forever.
dl0ya11 5 months ago
@xxdiogenescynicxx I clarify to you honey (cause it seems quite well that you don't know enything about art, I study art history and its complex, you cant learn art history in a Gombrich book and voila tout!) that MODERN ART is art going from de beginning of the XX century to the Expressionnisme Abstrait of Pollock, de Koonning, Rothko bla bla, from that time on, meaning 60s is considered contemporary art, and thus Picasso is not considered to be influential in this nouvelle periode d'art...
colfr10 1 year ago
I honestly thought I was done with this hack... but you people can't seem to understand not everyone likes what you like and can't just move on with making your moronic remarks to all my comments. None of you have yet to answer my original post as to what is so artistic about her. Instead you just make these lame ass insults. Your just further proving my point there is nothing artistic about her for you to explain.
ladygodia 1 year ago
She's from the Balkans. Do you really think she's talking about four-legged rats?
khamsin59 1 year ago
@khamsin59 who cares. This b*tch isn't Edgar Allen Poe and she doesn't even know what imagery is. That's why this crap makes no sense. What more could we expect from this talentless hack. "This is how we kill rats in Balkan" no "this is how we waste people time" should be the title of this piece. Hey I'm out of sh*tty stories to tell watch me dance horribly now yaay a red scarf.
ladygodia 1 year ago
Marina Abramović is the definition of PRETENTIOUS!
ladygodia 1 year ago
@ladygodia Ok, I think someone's jealous. Otherwise you wouldn't even pay attention to Marina or any of her work.
put1t1nh 1 year ago
@put1t1nh I don't pay attention to this fraud. I saw one of her lame "art" videos or whatever made a comment long ago then get criticized for not liking this crap. You people are out your damn minds your as loony as this chick is. This isn't art this a bunch of bullsh*t pretending to be art.
ladygodia 1 year ago
@ladygodia I don't think she qualifies as a fraud. By definition, anything that allows you to express yourself in a stylistic matter is art. It doesn't need to make sense. Actually, some people prefer art that's abstract or nonsensical. Fraudulent artists are those who claim someone else creation as their own. You can still dislike what Marina does, but you can't deny the fact that it's art nonetheless.
put1t1nh 1 year ago
@ladygodia
why?
neuronespecchio 1 year ago
What the hell is this crap?
ladygodia 1 year ago
@ladygodia I hate it when I see fellow Americans display their ignorance to the world. If you want to know, ask politely. If you don't want to know, just shut up and walk away. Have a little self-respect, please.
put1t1nh 1 year ago
@put1t1nh how do you know what country I'm from or what my nationality is? and
2. crap is universal. It doesn't matter what country or what nationality the foul mess comes from it still smell like CRAP!. There's nothing artistic about some woman standing around telling a story that makes no sense (not even metaphorically) then dances around with a ribbon. No my friend this isn't art this is bullsh*t.
ladygodia 1 year ago
@ladygodia If you removed your head from your ass, everything you see might not smell like crap.
khamsin59 1 year ago
@khamsin59 "if you removed your head from you anus everything you "see" might not "smell" like crap... hmm tell me what's wrong with that sentence of yours? I didn't know human beings can now smell with their eyes! Behold evolution is at work! Sorry your offended by people who can sense and admire the talent of true artist. This fraud isn't one of them. Just pretentious garbage, what's so deep about her story of killing rats? spoiler alert...the rats = people holy crap she M. Night Shyamalan me!
ladygodia 1 year ago
@ladygodia i will say once again that art is subjective, as i said to another girl one minute ago, whats the point of judging? Marina made her point when she made you furious, the point of this videos, exhibits, etc is to make you feel something, me personally makes me histerical, that doesnt mean that i have to judge someones honest work.
lorelaipena 1 year ago
@lorelaipena she never made me furious just curious as to how she considers herself an artist with this talentless trash. I don't think the point of her pretentious work is to make people feel like she is wasting their time and money. I've seen more talented acts at the subway station (seriously). People don't understand Picasso but at least his art work took him years to craft. His paintings stand for something and have a many interpretations. That is true art. This...is trash.
ladygodia 1 year ago
@ladygodia why doesn't this stand for something?
IskArioT27 1 year ago
@IskArioT27 You just can't see it!!! Contempporary art gets away form traditional art, form its sculpoture and the paintings that are so related to la bourgeoisie!!! From the 60s appears the Nouveau Realisme, Pop art in the US, Minimalisme and then appears Happenings and Performances! You must learn a lot of things! This is performance, this period of time gets aways form esthetic concepts, its not looking for beauty. it represents the art object, the body es a medium, experimental music....
colfr10 1 year ago
@ladygodia I think to understand why what she does is considered art you need to take into acount that the most influential artist of the 20th century is not Picasso but Duchamp, at least to the contemporary art world. Mabey if you look into his work than this peice will fit into place in the contemporarly art world.
almanacofsleep 1 year ago
@almanacofsleep that is of course assuming your not familar with Duchamp, you could already have a great grasp of modern art and just think she's shit. At the risk of sounding like a cop-out, art is subjective, to each his own blah blah blah.
almanacofsleep 1 year ago
@put1t1nh you want theatrics watch a play, you want to see art go look at a sculpture or a painting, you want to see live art watch acrobatics, you want to see half assessed bullsh*t watch this talentless garbage. It's not called "ignorance" it's called having taste. This garbage is an insult to real artist that work hard perfecting their talents so that one day it will be recognized. There's nothing talented about this woman. She's a hack making money of of idiots like you.
ladygodia 1 year ago
@put1t1nh PS. you want to see an artistic piece about the cruelty of the world go watch Unit 731.
ladygodia 1 year ago
well ,the title is supposed to be shocking and the story too but that don't add any value to them .this is just a childish thought in an unadapted ''mature'' mind . is just a Kitsch ,nothing more than that .
robinson478 1 year ago
I was gripped by the story - completely desensitized by all the killing. It was when she said that they gorge out the rat's eyes, and let it free to kill other rats that I realized how morbid it really was.
And then she began to dance. I couldn't help but feel shocked that I didn't react initially to such an inhumane thing. The dance symbolized the sense of accomplishment a catcher would feel, and how as an audience we are expected to be happy for destroying a rodent "manifestation".
stickytape2 1 year ago
very eerie
DanishPoet 1 year ago
Rat= ethnic Albanians, water=everything needed to sate basic human needs, rat who survives only to kill off the rats outside the experiment= the police, the fascist soldiers, the riot cops In many third world countries. The dance at the end is meant to be an ironic counter point to her story of extermination. I assume the dance is some sort of specific dance done by the Albanians.....
PtAltmVansanTarr 1 year ago
AMAZING, marina you are genius , marina ti si genije
ladyladymonster 1 year ago
fuck you.
└► that was art.
vanvalldrey 1 year ago
yep , busy on work ...
mrfish1961 1 year ago
come on marina :P
tatazavilastroynik 1 year ago
This is VERY VERY smart...
Wondergirl242 1 year ago 3
What is that song at the end?! I can't seem to find it anywhere!
tvb126 1 year ago
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csaszarhuni 1 year ago
@tvb126 title: Kovács Apollónia -Adjon isten szekeret -
This is a hungarian song, from a genre of not too high standard, but its very popular(mulatós). This kind of genre is a typical east-europian and balcanic phenomena, connected to the culture of low-educated, simple people and to a certain extent originated from folk.
The meaning of lyric is approximately this:
'They milk the black goat,
They beat the brown(brown-skined=gipsy) wife,
because she deserve it,
because she dont love his husband'
csaszarhuni 1 year ago
@csaszarhuni WOW thanks!!!
tvb126 4 weeks ago
This isn't an indication of their weak education but rather shows how perceptive they were. It indicates their acuity needed in order to survive! I know how problematic their life still is because I'm Greek, and as far as I've been told by my parents, life in the 60s in Greece was difficult if you weren't rich. So they had to make up such strategies to finish the work to be completed. It definitely wasn't the life they were dreaming of but they learned to deal with it.
andyburnbaum 1 year ago
hahaha.. cOOL
m3t4ll1zz4rd 1 year ago
what a load of utter bollocks.
maneatingseas 1 year ago
Is that her?? No way, so hot!
Setherian 1 year ago
lolol that was so random<3
YoursTrulyChris 1 year ago
whats that song? it's wonderful . shes a goddess
TerrorUschi 1 year ago
Serbian goddess! AMAZING!
Ainsiquenon23 1 year ago
Why try to educate people who have not taken the time to read 20th century philosophy ,semiotics,aesthetics. Their opinions matter like the herd .They are what we fight against.Rarely is an informal lesson gonna open their mind.
lovesGenet 1 year ago
best ending to a video EVER
sillyasiantrixr4kidz 1 year ago 3
lmfao wtf.. this shit is funny... in a weird way
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It's a brilliant way to see metaphoric picture of human being used as experimental rats (like in some kind of behavioristic psyhology politic). It is cynicle, though it is tragedy of human kind at all (Balkan is just another rat-lab). It doesn't necessery demands political interpretation... but in other side, if a man is nothing more than (Aristotles) "zoon politikon" this could be the 'one way street' of his destiny.
SimonSezam 1 year ago 2
@SimonSezam oh yeah, i forgot. The DANCE at the end. Remember Pavlov's dog? Classical conditioning? Well... dance is final reward - what you get for being good doggy. In Serbia it is called "hleba i igara" (lat. panem et circenses). No need to draw. Brilliant performance.
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SimonSezam 1 year ago
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She was at the MOMA today. Fortunately, I did not go to the floor she was on, but my friends did and they said they felt disturbed after seeing her. Understand kids as young as 6 can be there, I'm 15. This sociopath and some other man were completely nude standing in the doorway. There were NO warnings about this. Nudity isn't art. It's just an excuse for sex addicts to show their/others body. If live nudity is art, you might as well murder someone in public and call it art
MysticalBaby 1 year ago
@MysticalBaby
Can a photograph of a naked person be art?
brambau 1 year ago
@brambau, it depence.
SimonSezam 1 year ago
@MysticalBaby you should have been borned in dark ages :) are you blush when you see a naked person? i mean... look at all those ancient Greeks...
SimonSezam 1 year ago
@MysticalBaby I have seen the exhibit as well. There were signs at the front of the gallery that warned you about live nudity and disturbing imagery. Most people distractedly just walked by the sign, but I read it and was fully aware of what I was getting into. Though the gallery was quite alarming, I can't stay I wasn't warned well in advance.
"Nudity isn't art" is one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard. I've seen more nudity in my art history class than that entire Abramovic exhibit.
evilpeaches7 1 year ago 17
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@evilpeaches7 Um, nudity ISN'T art. That's not ignorant. And if it is then it shouldn't be put in museums in public. Genitals are nicknamed "privates" for a reason. They aren't meant to be shown to the world. That's disgusting and inhumane. We are a civilized society. We have clothing now that is meant to be worn on the body. So wear it. How pathetic one must be to draw something like that and call it art.
MysticalBaby 1 year ago
@MysticalBaby until I saw this exhibit I agreed with what you said, but the feeling of this display blends with such psychosis and suffering that the nudity just makes them seem more real. you don't see them as people, you see them as humans just the way you'd look at a herd of animals. Abramović did an amazing job conveying emotion in her exhibit, i was really impressed. it's not just nudists standing around, there are films with meaning just as any painting. go see it before you judge.
soaringyak 1 year ago 3
@MysticalBaby What are you talking about? You were BORN naked, so how is nudity "disgusting and inhumane"? It's the natural appearance of all things. Clothing is a human invention because of our lack of fur to protect us from the elements. Art classes regularly bring in nude models.
By your standards, the Venus de Milo is a scar upon all that is decent, Botticelli's Birth of Venus is a vulgarity, and Michelangelo's David is simply disgusting and shouldn't belong in museums. Wow.
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inEzEsquilo 1 year ago
@MysticalBaby ahaha, you're so funny. C'mon, seriously? You can't be. Wake up. I'm trying not to disrespect your opinion, but it's kinda hard when you're disrespecting my own, and a ton of other people's too.
Being naked is pathetic? Maybe. But so is wearing clothes. --- what I want to say is: don't make such a big deal out of it. One minute you're wearing clothes, the next you're not. Simple as that. Or you don't shower? You do, just not in public, right? Whatever, no difference to me.
inEzEsquilo 1 year ago
@inEzEsquilo Again, I wouldn't be making a big deal about it if our, Americas, culture wasn't based on sex. That's why it's pathetic. You expect men to go into this exhibit and care more about the artistic meaning of nudity than the arousal they are feeling and how hot the people look? C'mon, seriously?
MysticalBaby 1 year ago
@MysticalBaby Humm. Okay, now you do have a point. I still can't agree with you, but I surely can respect your point of view now ;)
Although, the more those men see nudity, the more it starts to be something natural, the less it will be such a sexual thing. But you're right, that still will be something hard to accomplish to most people (thinking that nudity is natural).
inEzEsquilo 1 year ago
@MysticalBaby Except, that's actually what happened. It was actually pretty sterile and not particularly arousing. Nudity itself often is far less arousing than covered nudity. Don't forget, that in other countries (maybe Iran) where the culture "isn't based on sex," whatever that even means, (don't forget, human existence is based on sex.) they would say something similar, like "How can you care about artistic meaning when they show their calves and uncovered hair like sluts."
thinkfaster 1 year ago