@FJYardley ''I need more proof of the love'' Dude like i asked you - have you ever been to the middle east? i seen the love first hand! and dont think i'm backing up the arabs here i agree most have their heads stuck up their asses but wouldnt even think about attacking a black man, you go to parts of the US and there are areas where a black person would get killed! Some illiterate Arabs might class black people as third class citizens but would'nt kill em for being black.
''Oh yeah? I agree US is deeply racist still but try the Middle East.''
Have you ever even been to the middle east? i dont think you have! i was walking around in allsorts of neighbourhoods no one called me nigger or looked at me in a funny way infact in some hoods i was the only black person and no one even batted an eyelid CAN I DO THAT IN SOME PARTS OF THE US? walk in a hillbilly town in early hours of the morning - i dont think so..
@FJYardley There's many black's in Egypt iv been there myself, regardless what you say you cant get more racists than White people, the eastern/western europeans, american hillbillies etc... There isnt anywhere in the world Blacks have been subjected to more hatred than in America and aparteid South and it continues in parts to this day!
"Also today if you go to Arabia the term for slave "abd" is also used to describe a black person."
Those are my words nice try :)
As I said, today if you go to Arabia and call someone abd (on its own) its a negative term no matter what context you use it in, slave or a black man. What you have to accept is racism is a fact of the Arabian culture. Whiter girls are prefered over darker ones, a Arab man would never let his daughter marry a black Muslim unless hes from a powerful family.
In Arabia Christian Arabs and Jewish Arabs use the word Abd to refer to Blacks it is true. What does this have to do with Islam and is the word Abd so much worse than the word nigger that was given to Blacks in the West?
Funny how you left out Arab Muslims considering they make up 95% of the population, but no ofcourse the Muslims are angels they would never make fun of black people... Also I've never come across a Arab Christian who has gone around like the Muslim Arabs I know and maked fun of their Black Muslim brothers.
Your next argument is flawed because your comparing two different systems.
When slavery in Arabia began Arab Muslims made up 0% of the population. 100% of the descendants of slaves in America carry Christian names. White American Christians; made up the word nigger should we condemn all White Christians or do we have a typical double standard?
See your trying to make Muslims look like they were against slavery, but your Quran allows it heck it even allows sex slaves. The depravity of Muhammad continues today in Sudan where Muslims are enslaving Black Muslims and Black Christians.
It was White Christians who fought against slavery and finally got rid of it. And funnily enough it was White Christians who lobbied the Muslims states to abolish it also.
The Quran and hadith both encourage the freeing of slaves this can not be said about the Bible or any constitution of any Western country. The White Christian who fought against slavery were a minority the majority of White Christians like George Washington owned slaves.
Guess where those "white Christians" got those slaves from? The North Atlantic slave trade was powered by Muslim slave traders, they made large amounts of money selling Black's (even black Muslims) to the Europeans, these slaves eventually ended up all over the world, from the America's to the lands in the far east.
Why will you not acknoledge this fact? Those "evil white devils" have but why not the Muslims?
Where did the White Christians get:: Segregation,The KKK, Jim Crow, Apartheid, the Tuskegee Experiment, the 3/5 compromise, lynching, branding, separation of Black families, and laws against education of slaves? None of those things existed under Islam.
I am marrying a Muslim next week. Islam has really opened my eyes to racial harmony. By the way didn't the cowboys commit genocide against the Native Americans on a much larger level than what you claim is going on in the Sudan?
My understanding of that topic is limited so I wont comment. But what I do know is racism, has been prevelent in the ummah even since its creation. For example even among "white" Muslims like those in the Balkans, darker individuals are seen as dirty, gypsy like and untrustworthy. Go all the way east to Indonesia and the same discriminatory aspects are there.
Concerning your marriage, goodluck and pray he wont beat you too hard ;)
Your Muhammad was correct when he said Muslimas have half brains.
I never denied those groups and individuals existed. But what you find hard to accept is it was the Christian West who demanded an end to slaver in your ummah. Saudi Arabia oficially ended slavery in the 60's but unoffically you can still own slaves. They only did it to get the Christians to stop complaining, not because its a tenent of Islam.
Listen why do you keep giving individuals as examples when it is plain and simple in the quran not to discriminate against colour period! thats the message from the lord where is that mentioned in your bible?? where? quote me the verse? and its not that all white people are racist but it's the majority and thats a fact. Do you see any arab groups or groups of any other colour like i.e the KKK or the BNP and many other white racist groups? NO. so you see there's no point in pointing fingers
Trust me the White Muslims are as racist as Westerners. I come from a White Muslim family and the amount of nonsense I hear coming from their mouths in relation to darker looking people is mindboggling. If my sister was to marry a Black Muslim my father would either disown or kill her, no joke that racism is deeply rooted in our blood line.
You telling a black man that whites are racist? Trust me you dont have to i know they are but if you knew anything about islam really than its clearly states about colour thats why we pray shoulder to shoulder with each other regardless, i know one thing for sure there are much much more racist christians than muslims FACT!
In Muhammads day? You speak as if Muhammad is blame free because it was the Muslims who came after him that did all the killing and pillaging. Sorry pal but Muhammad was responsible for the ethnic cleansing of the 3 major Jewish tribes that LIVED in Arabia and numerious Christian ones. He himself would have attacked Spain to India if he had the chance but old age and logistics barred him from doing so.
Muhammad is no more to blame for the ills of the Muslim world today than Benjamin Franklin is responsible for the sub-prime crisis. There is no evidence in the Quran that any Jewish tribes were killed. Muslims were slaughtered for 13 years in Mecca by the "peaceful" Christians and Jews. 13 years passed before Muhammad ever raised a sword.
Africans were kidnapped and enslaved by Muslim Arabs who later sold them to the Europeans. This slave trade is still going on today in the Sudan where non-Muslims are being taken as slaves and concubines (as ordered in the Quran)
Im sure slavery existed well before the Romans. Even so, the Muslims endorsed raids on pagan African settlements seeking women, children and men willing to work the land.
The Muslims are in a difficult situation trying to explain this dark stain in their history. Infact it was pressure from Christians which finally put an end to slavery in Muslim nations but unofficially its still prevelent.
I never said Muhammad did I said his followers later after he died. But to be honst I bet he would have if the logistical know how.
And that African King your talking about was Ethiopian. He protected Muhammad but then later Muhammad sent a letter to him telling him either convert to Islam or "your wont be safe"
Actually the Christian and Jewish Arabs had invaded Africa before Islam even arrived in Arabia the prophet Muhammad freed many of their slaves. The prophet never sent a letter threatining the King of Ethipia that would not have been smart since Ethipia had a far more powerful army than the prophet. Lies are your only defense, typical.
1. Muhammad had a powerful army behind him during the time he sent those letters not just to Ethiopia but also Persia and the Roman Empire. "Submit or you wont be safe"
2. Muhammad was a slave trader, and dont bother using Balil to prove otherwise because the poor guy died a slave he was never free.
3. Ofcourse there was Christians and Jews in Africa before satan created Islam. But the difference being there were no slave raids taking place under their command.
Questions you need to answer: 1) What army? He was only in control of two cities. Do you really think two arab cities could conquer an entire African country?
2) Bilal was freed by Abu Bakr.
3) Bilal was a slave owned by a Christian named Abu Jahl before Muslims freed him.
The same army that conquered ALL of the Arabian peninsular then 150 years later all of Spain to India. Remember that same army that beheaded 900 Jewish boys and men? Hehe. Concerning Balil tell me if he was freed why did he die a slave and not a freeman? The poor guy fought for Muhammad in war and believed the liar but never gained his freedom. Also today if you go to Arabia the term for slave "abd" is also used to describe a black person. The Arabian people are very racist.
Bilal was indeed freed and he went back to Africa to spread Islam this is recorded in several hadith. What are your sources? Ethiopia was never invaded by Muslims in Muhammads day. The King of Saudi Arabia is named Abd' ullah, are you saying he is a slave?
@FJYardley ''I need more proof of the love'' Dude like i asked you - have you ever been to the middle east? i seen the love first hand! and dont think i'm backing up the arabs here i agree most have their heads stuck up their asses but wouldnt even think about attacking a black man, you go to parts of the US and there are areas where a black person would get killed! Some illiterate Arabs might class black people as third class citizens but would'nt kill em for being black.
imicky 1 year ago
@FJYardley ''US is today 12% Black but WHERE IS THE BLACK ARAB DIASPORA?''
Middle east has a large population of black people, every 3rd person i met there was of black origin or mixed race.
imicky 1 year ago
@FJYardley
''Oh yeah? I agree US is deeply racist still but try the Middle East.''
Have you ever even been to the middle east? i dont think you have! i was walking around in allsorts of neighbourhoods no one called me nigger or looked at me in a funny way infact in some hoods i was the only black person and no one even batted an eyelid CAN I DO THAT IN SOME PARTS OF THE US? walk in a hillbilly town in early hours of the morning - i dont think so..
imicky 1 year ago
@FJYardley There's many black's in Egypt iv been there myself, regardless what you say you cant get more racists than White people, the eastern/western europeans, american hillbillies etc... There isnt anywhere in the world Blacks have been subjected to more hatred than in America and aparteid South and it continues in parts to this day!
imicky 1 year ago
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I said "abd" by itself not Abdullah, the latter one means slave of allah the former means slave on its own.
TottingCowboy 3 years ago
I thought you said Abd meant Black now you say it means slave which is it? How does the Quran use the word Abd shaykh?
TheGardenDweller 3 years ago
"Also today if you go to Arabia the term for slave "abd" is also used to describe a black person."
Those are my words nice try :)
As I said, today if you go to Arabia and call someone abd (on its own) its a negative term no matter what context you use it in, slave or a black man. What you have to accept is racism is a fact of the Arabian culture. Whiter girls are prefered over darker ones, a Arab man would never let his daughter marry a black Muslim unless hes from a powerful family.
TottingCowboy 3 years ago
In Arabia Christian Arabs and Jewish Arabs use the word Abd to refer to Blacks it is true. What does this have to do with Islam and is the word Abd so much worse than the word nigger that was given to Blacks in the West?
TheKnowledgeSupreme 3 years ago
Funny how you left out Arab Muslims considering they make up 95% of the population, but no ofcourse the Muslims are angels they would never make fun of black people... Also I've never come across a Arab Christian who has gone around like the Muslim Arabs I know and maked fun of their Black Muslim brothers.
Your next argument is flawed because your comparing two different systems.
TottingCowboy 3 years ago
When slavery in Arabia began Arab Muslims made up 0% of the population. 100% of the descendants of slaves in America carry Christian names. White American Christians; made up the word nigger should we condemn all White Christians or do we have a typical double standard?
TheKnowledgeSupreme 3 years ago
See your trying to make Muslims look like they were against slavery, but your Quran allows it heck it even allows sex slaves. The depravity of Muhammad continues today in Sudan where Muslims are enslaving Black Muslims and Black Christians.
It was White Christians who fought against slavery and finally got rid of it. And funnily enough it was White Christians who lobbied the Muslims states to abolish it also.
TottingCowboy 3 years ago
The Quran and hadith both encourage the freeing of slaves this can not be said about the Bible or any constitution of any Western country. The White Christian who fought against slavery were a minority the majority of White Christians like George Washington owned slaves.
Muslimanswermachine 3 years ago
Freeing? You have not read the quran sorry =)
Guess where those "white Christians" got those slaves from? The North Atlantic slave trade was powered by Muslim slave traders, they made large amounts of money selling Black's (even black Muslims) to the Europeans, these slaves eventually ended up all over the world, from the America's to the lands in the far east.
Why will you not acknoledge this fact? Those "evil white devils" have but why not the Muslims?
TottingCowboy 3 years ago
You have not read the Quran: Slaves can request and get their freedom from their Muslim Masters:
Quran 24:33
NoGodButAIIah 3 years ago
Where did the White Christians get:: Segregation,The KKK, Jim Crow, Apartheid, the Tuskegee Experiment, the 3/5 compromise, lynching, branding, separation of Black families, and laws against education of slaves? None of those things existed under Islam.
NoGodButAIIah 3 years ago
No those things did not exist under Islam, they had much worst ;)
TottingCowboy 3 years ago
And? They can ask sure but unless you turn to tap off so to speak the Muslim slave owner will get new slaves later haha
Why dont you Muslims speak out against the genocide against Black Muslims that Arab Muslims are committing in Sudan?
TottingCowboy 3 years ago
I am marrying a Muslim next week. Islam has really opened my eyes to racial harmony. By the way didn't the cowboys commit genocide against the Native Americans on a much larger level than what you claim is going on in the Sudan?
Meredithblue 2 years ago 2
My understanding of that topic is limited so I wont comment. But what I do know is racism, has been prevelent in the ummah even since its creation. For example even among "white" Muslims like those in the Balkans, darker individuals are seen as dirty, gypsy like and untrustworthy. Go all the way east to Indonesia and the same discriminatory aspects are there.
Concerning your marriage, goodluck and pray he wont beat you too hard ;)
TottingCowboy 2 years ago
Tottlingcowgirl, segregation never exosted in any Muslim country, no KKK, np Jim Crow, no Apartheid all these things are Christian/Western concepts.
Muslimanswermachine 2 years ago
Your Muhammad was correct when he said Muslimas have half brains.
I never denied those groups and individuals existed. But what you find hard to accept is it was the Christian West who demanded an end to slaver in your ummah. Saudi Arabia oficially ended slavery in the 60's but unoffically you can still own slaves. They only did it to get the Christians to stop complaining, not because its a tenent of Islam.
TottingCowboy 2 years ago
Listen why do you keep giving individuals as examples when it is plain and simple in the quran not to discriminate against colour period! thats the message from the lord where is that mentioned in your bible?? where? quote me the verse? and its not that all white people are racist but it's the majority and thats a fact. Do you see any arab groups or groups of any other colour like i.e the KKK or the BNP and many other white racist groups? NO. so you see there's no point in pointing fingers
imicky 2 years ago
Trust me the White Muslims are as racist as Westerners. I come from a White Muslim family and the amount of nonsense I hear coming from their mouths in relation to darker looking people is mindboggling. If my sister was to marry a Black Muslim my father would either disown or kill her, no joke that racism is deeply rooted in our blood line.
TottingCowboy 2 years ago
You telling a black man that whites are racist? Trust me you dont have to i know they are but if you knew anything about islam really than its clearly states about colour thats why we pray shoulder to shoulder with each other regardless, i know one thing for sure there are much much more racist christians than muslims FACT!
imicky 2 years ago
Learn to read cause you look like a retard atm.
TottingCowboy 2 years ago
In Muhammads day? You speak as if Muhammad is blame free because it was the Muslims who came after him that did all the killing and pillaging. Sorry pal but Muhammad was responsible for the ethnic cleansing of the 3 major Jewish tribes that LIVED in Arabia and numerious Christian ones. He himself would have attacked Spain to India if he had the chance but old age and logistics barred him from doing so.
TottingCowboy 3 years ago
Muhammad is no more to blame for the ills of the Muslim world today than Benjamin Franklin is responsible for the sub-prime crisis. There is no evidence in the Quran that any Jewish tribes were killed. Muslims were slaughtered for 13 years in Mecca by the "peaceful" Christians and Jews. 13 years passed before Muhammad ever raised a sword.
TheGardenDweller 3 years ago
Africans were kidnapped and enslaved by Muslim Arabs who later sold them to the Europeans. This slave trade is still going on today in the Sudan where non-Muslims are being taken as slaves and concubines (as ordered in the Quran)
TottingCowboy 3 years ago
Europeans invented the word slave it originated from the enslavement of the Slavic people in Europe by the Euopean Romans.
Muslimanswermachine 3 years ago
Im sure slavery existed well before the Romans. Even so, the Muslims endorsed raids on pagan African settlements seeking women, children and men willing to work the land.
The Muslims are in a difficult situation trying to explain this dark stain in their history. Infact it was pressure from Christians which finally put an end to slavery in Muslim nations but unofficially its still prevelent.
TottingCowboy 3 years ago
The prophet Muhammad never raided Africa as a matter of fact he was protected by an African king at one time.
TheGreenestAngel 3 years ago
I never said Muhammad did I said his followers later after he died. But to be honst I bet he would have if the logistical know how.
And that African King your talking about was Ethiopian. He protected Muhammad but then later Muhammad sent a letter to him telling him either convert to Islam or "your wont be safe"
TottingCowboy 3 years ago
Actually the Christian and Jewish Arabs had invaded Africa before Islam even arrived in Arabia the prophet Muhammad freed many of their slaves. The prophet never sent a letter threatining the King of Ethipia that would not have been smart since Ethipia had a far more powerful army than the prophet. Lies are your only defense, typical.
TheGreenestAngel 3 years ago
So confused, poor you :(
1. Muhammad had a powerful army behind him during the time he sent those letters not just to Ethiopia but also Persia and the Roman Empire. "Submit or you wont be safe"
2. Muhammad was a slave trader, and dont bother using Balil to prove otherwise because the poor guy died a slave he was never free.
3. Ofcourse there was Christians and Jews in Africa before satan created Islam. But the difference being there were no slave raids taking place under their command.
TottingCowboy 3 years ago
Questions you need to answer: 1) What army? He was only in control of two cities. Do you really think two arab cities could conquer an entire African country?
2) Bilal was freed by Abu Bakr.
3) Bilal was a slave owned by a Christian named Abu Jahl before Muslims freed him.
TheGreenestAngel 3 years ago
The same army that conquered ALL of the Arabian peninsular then 150 years later all of Spain to India. Remember that same army that beheaded 900 Jewish boys and men? Hehe. Concerning Balil tell me if he was freed why did he die a slave and not a freeman? The poor guy fought for Muhammad in war and believed the liar but never gained his freedom. Also today if you go to Arabia the term for slave "abd" is also used to describe a black person. The Arabian people are very racist.
TottingCowboy 3 years ago
Bilal was indeed freed and he went back to Africa to spread Islam this is recorded in several hadith. What are your sources? Ethiopia was never invaded by Muslims in Muhammads day. The King of Saudi Arabia is named Abd' ullah, are you saying he is a slave?
NoGodButAIIah 3 years ago