He is confusing real Socialism with State Socialism (fake Socialism), but I will forgive him that, it's not his fault the word has been perverted over the last hundred years.
Corporatism is basically the system under Hitler and it disgusts me. Ron Paul is the only one who can fight this corruption with a chance of being elected. Socialists like me should join up with real liberals, Independents, Libertarians, tea party, Occupy Wall Street and get this man in!
@aeris2001 anarcho syndicalism is still morally wrong and consumptive to the extent that it advocates force. The value of labour is determined by a human action in a free market, not the employer OR the employed. It's the basic pacifist pragmatism that liberty is productive which dictates libertarian non aggression. The socialism you're referring to is still prejudice and advocates unionised collective force.
To the top comment, yes, let's save this country from the clutches of the businesses and corps, let's make Ron proud, come on everyone what we do tomorrow might just affect what will unfold in the future.
Don't Call Obama a Socialist; He's a Corporatist '
yeah and don't call Ron Paultard a LIEbertarian, call him a typical Repiglickin douchebag hypocrite/ liar who was willing to let the man who directed his Presidential campaign DIE, w/out health insurance...fuck this fucking monkey and his idiot son of an asshole Randy Paultard, what a couple of intellectually bankrupt fucking Repugnant scum
RON PAUL IS GOING TO BE PROSECUTED BY UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! ITS UNCONSTITUTIONAL TO CALL AMERICAN PEOPLE INVADERS AND INITIATERS OF WARS.
RON PAUL SAID THE USA INVADES COUNTRIES AND STARTS WARS, WHICH GIVES USA A BAD REPUTATION AROUND THE WORLD , THEREFORE IT IS CONSIDERED A CRIME . A US CITIZEN WHO
WAS BORN IN USA CANT GO AGAINST GOVERNMENT POLICIES WHICH MIGHT TREATEN THE FUTURE
"Government controls the private sector through taxes, regulations & subsidies & has done so for decades." Well which is it? Do the multinationals control the govt or vice versa? RP wants us to return to Feudalism. What other force do we have BUT govt to limit monopolization & cartels? None. We must therefore seek to reform & regain popular control of govt, STRENGTHEN - not enervate - its ability to crack down on corp. malfeasance, & make economy serve those that generate its value: workers.
What an idiot - coidentifying corporate taxes w subsidies. Clearly, Obama - right along w Reagan, Bush1, Clinton, Bush2 - has favored CUTTING taxes for the oligopoly. He is also not-so-secretly out 2 decimate the New Deal he pretends to support: e.g. abolish Soc Sec, Mi. Wage, Age limits, Overtime, the right to collectively bargain: in short, to abolish the 20th C. Clearly, the plutocratic power elite want the abrogation of all branches of govt save those that serve them: namely, the military.
Obama is absolutely a Corporatist, just like Bush2, Clinton, Bush1, REAGAN and even Carter. Ron Paul has hit it DEAD on the nail - and it is far worse than Socialism. Democratic Socialism, a/k/a Social Democracy, a/k/a Market Socialism is the answer, not the enemy! Wake up and see the shadow elite now walking in broad daylight.
Finally! A Republican man with some sense in him. If I hear another person on Fox or at a teaparty rally call Obama a socialist my head might just explode.
Why is Ron Paul still alive. The way the system works is ...... If you tell the truth to 2 or 3 people no big deal. all that you will get is ostracism. If you tell the truth to a thousand people one of the people will kill you. If you tell the truth to a million or more the government will take you out. So, what is wrong? Does the system no longer work? I just don't get it.
@SustenanceNCovering Do u think "a truly free market" will lead to liberty? How does a selective thinker like Ron Paul even define a "free market"? Free 4 the arbitrary few who amass capital & limit therewith the self-determination of their slaves. After having been stamped out by FDR, the sweatshops are on the fast track back to the USA. It is the corp. rulers who have always pushed dereg, "free trade" & no taxes! We r a simply a "fungible cost" that they seek to reduce to bare min. Wake up!
@musicalidea Oh no I love to listen to Ron Paul Speak. Everything that he says is wonderful, I love everything that he says, but I'm not stupid. Ron Paul is just an elitist like all of the other politiicans. There have been powerful people in the past who have spoken the truth with no intention of ever implementing anything that they say, but they all quickly changed their tune or died. Ron Paul is nothing more than a distraction to make people think that there is still some kind of hope.
@musicalidea (part 2) and, when Ron Paul doesn't win the office of president, those who are actually naive enough to still think that freedom and democracy and voting, and Santa Claus are real or ever were real just imagine that the majority still want the status quo, and go home with their tails between their legs. I posted a video about how I feel about Obama, Ron Paul, and all the owners of Amerika called "Political Aspects of Survival". It's on my channel. You should check it out.
@musicalidea "When will the workers wake up?" is a good post to look up on Bill Mitchell's Billy Blog...alternative economic thinking, real wages have been suppressed below labour productivity from the 1970s.
We are underpaid and overtaxed.
Understanding Modern Sovereign Money is vitally important.
The only thing more stupid than for a government to be a currency user like in the ECB/Eurozone-land, is to have sovereign currency issuing power and not use it powerfully for public purpose!
@SustenanceNCovering, if you tell it to millions of people, the system knows if they take out you millions of people will know you did it and then the war between government and citizens aka 2nd revolutionary war!
CORRECTION: if you tell it to millions of people, the system knows if they take out you millions of people will know *WHO* did it and then the war between government and citizens aka 2nd revolutionary war starts!
im a left wing libertarian yes dont call them a free marketer or socialist but i have to say what he said about socialism is wrong that not socialism doesnt mean government controls and owns industry thats keynsian economics socialism is more anti government and workers run industry
Republicans worked on behalf of Blackwater(mercenary group), Halliburton(2nd largest oil infrastructure corporation in the world, formely lead by Dick Cheney), and CACI(torture/interrogation firm) to manufacture consent for a war that has largely been privatized by your tax dollars. The Democrats, although they have many flaws(endemic of the two party system), were the only ones besides Ron Paul who stood against the war profiteering and mismanagement of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
On Opensecretsdotorg > Politicians and Elections > Presidential > Barack Obama > Independent Expenditures > Democratic Socialists of America.
DSA is the largest US affiliate of the Socialist International (SI), the worldwide organization of 140 socialist, social democratic and labor parties. The SI has the distinction of being the largest political organization in the world.
"Government Officials often act in Collusion with their favorite business interests."
Sounds like our U.S. Orwellian surveillance-state that has been exponentially growing since 9/11. And they are so secret that they can't share info with each other! Watch PBS' Frontline "Top Secret America" in January (and read the Washington Post series Top Secret America on the web, Frontline's show was originally supposed to air this fall, hopefully all the truth has not been redacted from it!.
[Continuation of my last post] I doubt anyone who gets that far in life can really be honest enough or good enough to not be bad. Everyone must realize that people will most likely not be able to change anything. It's next to impossible. But I do agree with what Ron Paul has to say.
Socialism isn't evil, it's a human idea that was created and is equal to the free market system many countries have. It's nothing but an idea like MONEY. Except for that, yes, Corporatism is bad. It should be stopped. But for gods sakes, what American president wasn't? Just get over it, also, let us all remember the South Park episode about voting real quick: you will always have to vote for either a douche, or a turd sandwich in the end. So who gives a shit really?
Let's not forget what someone w/ some knowledge on the subject once said; “Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power” - Benito Mussolini
It's more about the marketing than the market interaction or more so market arbitration. It is a shame most people can't see past the fanaticism and contradiction that goes hand in hand with the right/left paradigm. Excellent post!
The funny thing is Bush was a corportist as well, but where was the hillbillies then? Anyways, isn't by definition socialism is government by the people FOR the people. Meaning the government does things to help the common citizen NOT the corporations. That's why socialism isn't bad by definition.
Socialism is basically state control of the means of production to achieve some utopian end. This has 2 basic problems. 1) command economy is hoplessly ineffective and 2) what do you do with the people who dont share the utopian goal.
@Illyrien but what stops capitalism from becoming, corporatism? A Lot of people talk about how socialism and communism can't work due to greed or not sharing goals etc, but what stops pure capitalism from becoming corporatism? Has pure capitalism ever worked yet? No Company like capitalism, they don't want competition. Essentially the government would have to be really strong to not subject itself to corporate lobbying.
Socialsm is impossible because it supress people and prevent economic calculus, though destroying the price system. Corporatism requires a central state which can interfer in the economics system on behalf of those who control it. Once such a state exist it becomes a struggles between groups to control it for their own gain, and it grows continually. We havent found a permanent way to prevent this yet. The US constinution is the best so far, and it still failed.
Early american history is a continual struggle between those who want to limit the Federal state (like Jefferson) and those who want to expands its powers for their own sake (people like Hamilton). Unfortunately eventually the Hamiltonian faction won and gave hos the disasterous monster we have in the US today.
The problem with capitalism is: The people who we elected to protect us from the abuse of it..were and are all bought and paid for whores of the global elite..They have failed their countrymen and women cos of their greed period.
You forgot that most of the Democrats and Republicans are the same as President Obama. The comment by your son Rand about the Gulf of Mexico disaster by British Petrol was wrong since they made so many short cuts an their employees where ignored who tried to prevent the spill. What is your view on that and the Republicans apologizing for BP ?
I love Ron Paul but he describes socialism as communism which is incorrect is it not? In socialism the people own the companies and manage it through a voting system. In a communist system, THAT'S when the companies and everything is owned by the government. But I just could never imagine Ron Paul getting that wrong.
From what I remember from Marx, communism is the end utopian ideal world of endless plenty where the state has withered away. Besides voting in socialist societies? Seriously? Where? those societies never vote
Obviously he's a Corporatist, just like every other president lol. He didn't change anything. I'm no Rightwing Libertarian, but at least you know Ron Paul won't sell out to the lobbyists. In the 08' election I was actually closest to Dennis Kucinich, and I hold a leftist Libertarian ideology.
The left or right wings aren't anti-American, the Authoritarian wing is, whether that's on the left (Communism) or the right (Corporatism).
I greatly really admire and support Ron Paul and his ideas. But listen: Those of you fellow supporters who say "only Ron Paul can save us," are PART OF THE PROBLEM, and you're missing his point. WE have to do it. Dr. Paul has been a great teacher of the ideas that are necessary to do this. He has said it himself: it's the ideas that are popular and that matter. So man up (or woman up), and go DO something. Learn more. Teach more. Do more, whether it's locally or nationally.
@levity76 absolutely, ideas and persuasion will save us, not one individual. i live in los angeles and have gotten to work on all of my friends here - they're starting to question things more, and i bet they'll at least hesitate before checking D down the line when they go to the polls.
@levity76 Only Ron Paul can save us. If we don't get him in in 2012 we will lose more of our freedom and may end up bending over or fighting a civil war. His ideas are what make him great and makes the movement but don't underestimate the man and his importance.
He really is our hope for a peaceful resolution to these problems.
@levity76 Spot on. Each person needs to take responsibility for their community and thereby their country. If the ideals of Ron Paul are combined with the idea of local sustainable agriculture then we will truly be headed towards a prosperous nation. We must leave behind the paradigm of designing things to be disposable and shift into designing closed loop systems which enhance the health of our land instead of destroy it .
yeah, Paul's right about this. People get caught up with Democrats vs Republican and ignore the fact that BOTH parties are beholden to corporate money. A big, powerful central government is dangerous to people because it is a concentration of unchecked power. The same is true with corporations, and this becomes worse when gov't power and corporate power are allied, which is the case in our country. However, gov't CAN be a PART of the solution, but ONLY when citizens are involved.
i agree with ron paul, but socialism is peoples ownership of industry, if government is not sufficiently controlled by the people then its prettymuch a harder example of corporatism like what you see in some european countries, to call the obama administration socialist is to suggest that the current govt is working towards the interests of the majority (however misguided socialists may be you cant deny they have good intention), which isnt true, same old big corp loving govt
It is amazing to me how people can take the words of wisdom, turn them into some personal hit on their self, and then criticize the wisdom... and that only comes when government doesn't heed the warnings of George Washington about having a two party system. Liberals, without a God, look at their party as their God...
@473009723 I'm a Ron Paul supporter, and I don't think most liberals look to their party "as their God". In fact, there is a tradition of a religious left in this country. (E.g. many religious folks actively supported that liberal civil right movement.) Besides, separation of church and state and religious tolerance are foundations of this country. So, stop worrying about people's religion. Get off your self-righteous high horse.
@NoLibertarian I don't have to say much about your comment, your name says it all, you don't like freedom. Try to find truth my friend. For what you believe is true, challenge it; test yourself and try defending the opposite view. Search and you might find something you didn't know was true, and then you might begin to see the bigger picture.
@NoLibertarian- Yeah, I hear ya. Nobama already has a cot saved for you at a prison camp. Soon we won't sound so "kooky". Ron Paul can save us. Don't allow big bank & big corporation to decide what happens. Read the Constitution and know what your rights are so you know when they are being taken from you.
If you're not pissed off,you're not paying attention. Please do some research.BTW the words "no" & "liberty" should never be put so close together!
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@tangledweb79 ..LOL, prison camp?? Congratulations, you're kookier than Paul. According to you assholes Bush was canceling the 08 elections and declaring martial law. You are a total bunch of lunatics. Absolutely bat shit insane.
@NoLibertarian tangledweb79...is no lunatic, and the name calling doesn't surprise me since that's what is heard repeatedly from the libtards. Like he says...if you're not pissed off, you're not paying attention.
@NoLibertarian Darling there real, if you take some time to study whats wrong with this world instead of calling names on the internet then maybe you'll come deep down in the rabbit hole, or maybe you'll fight against it. Its your choice, choose wisley for my future and your next generation and so on.
It's amazing that I agree with almost everything that Ron Paul says. He is anti-abortion but thinks it should be a state issue. I am pro-abortion and I think it should be a woman's right to choose nationwide. (It already is. Let's hope it never changes)
Some people don't know that "Corporatist" is just another word for fascist. This comes as a surprise to any history or conspiracy buff who is well familiar with Mussolini's famous quote, but it's an honest mistake.
"Corporatist, worse than a socialist" - Indeed LOL! I'm sure Obama understands that Paul has stepped up and called him a fascist in public.
@JizzonTheDark true, although in a way socialism has historically been a corporatist form of government, because it helps military spending and the central banks across Europe, as well as the entire cold war
i went to a tea party. what a buch of retards. they don't seem to know what they want. Your involvement with the gov is totally volunary. Yeah, they may try to kill you but they are not acting against y ou. They are acting against your legal fiction or PERSON.
I've been saying this forever! Stupid teabaggers never listen until Ron Paul calls it like it is. Still disagree with Ron Paul on many things, but at least he knows what's up.
A truthful examination of Obeyme's relationships, donors, and policies should make it clear to anyone with a minimum of 2 brain cells to rub together that this Poseident believes in and practices the same kinds of politics as the fascists. Therefore, he is a fascist, and every stroke of his pen takes us one step closer to fascism proper.
sound quality was bad so I just adjusted the volume, great message, got it dead right. I think Obama for change was an excellent heist on the U.S. public because many thought a black American would stand up for the people, fact is money doesnt recognize colour he is another "suit" pushing the aims of big business an elite minority at the expense of the majority of the people. Ron Paul = a man of the people from the people and for the people.
@RonPaul2008dotcom While I'm not disagreeing with your argument in the comments. Who is going to confront Mr. Obama about his corporatist agenda? Certainly not the MSM.
I saw a news ad today talking about Senator Dodd cracking down on wall st. All he wants is regulation, more gov. Looks to me like Peter Schiff has him fearful for his seat and hes trying to appeal to his constituents. The article was soapbox drama, talking about all the people that disliked the bill, like Obama, Pelosi, etc. but didn't say anything about the bill really, just how anti-goverment it is, though it mentions setting up an agency to police consumer lending...the way people lie is sad.
If you follow the money trail from the corporations to the campaign coffers, it makes Paul's point. Google campaign contributions or visit the FEC website for the facts. It will astound you as to which money went to whom.
The over riding distinction here is that in a free country you can have everything....meaning if you want to start a little community in a free country that is facist and wear boots and swatzsticas...that is your freedom to do so...or communist or whatever.....where the problems come in is where morons are endowed to subject their stupid ideas on others through various socialsit instruments...be they fascist, communist, corporatist....or whatever..and that's the big big distinction...
I think Ron may have this slightly confused all of this crap is various SHADES OF SOCIALISM so weather its...FASCISM.... COMMUNISM....NEOCONISM...OR WHATTHEFUCKEVER....these miserably stupid ideas are all SHADES OF SOCIALISM...this distinction then helps you understand the full spectrum of nonsense better and put it into a more useful perspective........so corporatism nonsense is just another variation of socialist nonsense that said. RON PAUL 2012... LET'S STOP THIS CRAP WHATEVER YOU CALL IT!
States that believe in freedom could agree to a simultaneous secession at a future date into a mirror version of the US as founded, create a weak Federal government, and leave the remaining states to rot under misrule of entrenched Republicrats.
You wouldn't be leaving the United States. The real states united would be shedding a flag, a parchment, a city of monuments, and a federal government that no longer stand for freedom.
The words on the Constitution are what America truly is.
@IRONMANAustralia Are you Australian? Shame on many Americans if you are, mate: most US citizens do not understand what America is based upon... and most are not as passionate about those ideas as you are.
@engine2truck6 Ideas know no borders. Anyone with a brain can see that the US, by virtue of fundamental political philosophy, (deviations from that ideal notwithstanding), truly is the shining city on the hill.
Even bad foreign policy decisions can't change that fact.
Australia isn't the worst place to live by a long shot, but is blinded by a shallow, but ingrained cultural anti-Americanism based on superficial perceptions of the US.
@IRONMANAustralia that is so true about australians generally, i mean this is just from my personal experience which is limited, but it seems that almost without exception i have observed that they are pretty cranky people, and most have pulled the "anti-american" card out at some point or another too
@MrJ864759001 Talk for yourself, because Im Aussie, I am Australian until I die, and would NEVER become an American, but I love America, I love President Reagan`s vision of the USA, as he loved the USA. Not Obama`s, I wont even call him President, he hates America.
@iamdiaperman Reagon SUCKED. Geez people have dranken the kool aid about that idiot. Iran Contra, Crack in LA, The start of deregulation, He tore the solar panels off of the white house..screw Reagan his administration is still in power behind the scenes. Its not your fault though..our media sucks and spreads misinformation all of the time. Reagan help start the REVERSAL of our nation. You love his vision..well that is good for you but bad for the US. Our nation started falling after he came in.
@MrJ864759001 Hanging shit on people is just a cultural thing here and in the vast majority of cases shouldn't be taken too seriously.
The real issue is under the surface. Me supporting the right to bear arms for example, wouldn't fail draw an overinflated comparison to gun violence in the US, (with no consideration of relative population I might add), by people who parrot that they "don't want Australia to become like America", with absolutely no deeper appreciation of what that means.
The democrats brings in corporatism and the opposition attack them for being socialist which makes the liberal happy because they think they're gonna get free health care etc... The establishment is so slick they've managed to bring in corporatism(some call it fascism) and convinced enough people they had socialism... It's the perfect scam.
That is a little ambitious, perhaps even pipe dreamy... let's focus on taking back congress first. Dr Paul would agree this is the correct action to take here. Even if he was elected president, he would be rendered ineffective the existing members of congress... kick all the incumbents out and find the liberty candidate!!
I had this socialist or corportist debate with someone who makes videos on YouTube, and he started whining about my age because he had no argument. He buys into this stupid "socialist" meme, which is nonsense.
It's sad that people always want to shut down debate once they're proven wrong. But not before throwing disgusting ageism at you.
@tanio12 he used the republican party just as they use him now. he wouldn't be on national tv every day now if he hadn't been on those prime time debates during the 2008 campaign. he wouldn't have been able to attend them as a third party candidate. if you knew anything about him, you would know that he has no allegiance to his party, and it shows in his voting record...
Paul is being diplomatic towards Obama. Corporatism goes by a older and much more appropriate name. National socialism AKA fascism. The economic model is obvious and then the loss of personal liberty will follow along with this type of government economy
The world is changing fast, and it is not like this all started yesterday. The entire history of mankind has been a great big facade', a carnival, the illusion for the masses (the mask over hell), ran by men who are at the top of secret societies and religions. 5000 years ago the evil priests (hidden hand) tried to usurp the power of the Pharos, and were thrown out of Egypt for it. Now these evil bloodlines rule over all governments, institutions, and corporations. Why do we ignore it?
@rross27 because we have a constitution and we believe in the rule of law and no matter what catastrophical shit happens to the world, if the IDEA of liberty survives, the future of mankind will be better off.
i know right? and people actually believe there is a right and a left, no they all are bought and paid for including Ron Paul but you will you never know, somebody has to keep the wool over people's eyes. If Ron was a true person he would leave his party and risk losing everything to stand for something but he won't.
You should search why he doesn't run as a third party.
There is very good reason not to run as a third party.
Third parties don't get the same considerations on televised debates, ballot access, and in general people are less likely to pay attention to third party campaigns.
The deck is stacked against third parties in many ways, though I certainly agree they need to play a substantially larger role.
@tanio12 Yep! Question, "why does Ron Paul stick his hand in his coat in a "certain way" when he speaks in front of the rest of his Mason Gov. Brethren. Ever hear of, "The Hidden Hand"? DARE-lookup, "The Secret Meaning of The Hidden Hand. Every great mans portrait since Napoleon, shows this clearly. They want to crash the banks (FR), and have a World Order. (After they kill most of us first, because we are useless eaters and machines can work 4 them now).
I really don't care who's behind it, who owns what, or who the rulers are. Is it a big government system controlling the lives of its people? Then it's a socialist government. Who controls what really amounts to little more than semantics.
Ask the people on the ground if they want their tyranny served up by corporations, or if they'd prefer an intelligentsia to do it - I'm thinking when that boot is pressing their cheek into the pavement, they're not too interested in what's on the label.
corporations are controlled by the state in corporatism? no, the state is in the hand of the corporations... the CEOs do not answer to the government, it's the other way around. That happens to make the CEOs dependent on government, but it does not mean that the government runs the corporations, it means it spoils them by giving them everything they think they need, turning them into whiny non-productive scams.
@pyrrho314 They use each other, but the State is the boss. They have the "legal" force to use violence. The corporations can't tax you like the State can. Without the State, these corporations would crumble as Rothbard made the case on the myth of private tyrannies without coercive state intervention. History shows it is the state who gives land grants, subsidies, bail outs, trade barriers, selective taxation. Those with the pen to write laws are the Kings, in turn they get favors.
@BIackOp : no, without the government those corporations would become the state.
The idea that powerful entities besides the state don't use violence because they are not supposed to is naive in the extreme... yes, if a magic pact not to use violence were in place, and effective then you could assume corps would crumble, but there is no such thing EXCEPT government. That's what government is.
But gov has to be able because no one has invented a fully non-violent private sector.
@pyrrho314 You must understand the difference between a monopoly and a coercive monopoly. If a corporation becomes a state they are a coercive monopoly. They would have to convince everyone this is just, to control particular functions in society, start small and move on up to the point today. But corporations can't do this as easily as you think. First, using violence to make a state falls on its face. There would be a war, but there profits come from the people they are fighting thus...
@BIackOp this using direct violence doesn't work, it would have to be a religious game in the mind to convince people they need something that is useless. The problem is there isn't one corporation, you have different business all over, and the fact people are afraid of such tyrannies from arising makes it even that much harder for a business to become a state. The worse a business can do is charge the monopoly rate, not coerce you into this business, and this falls apart on a free market.
@BIackOp : " First, using violence to make a state falls on its face." this claim is what we call ahistorical. That's the only way a state has EVER been created.
@pyrrho314 You are missing the religion factor. If Microsoft went to war on us to "conquer" us, we would have to believe in being conquered to being conquered. People would have to legitimize the new rulers for that they are to being ruled. Thus like I said, its in the mind. If a business tried this in a free society, its not likely people would accept. The other thing you are missing is the cost, who would these investors be? We are talking about a business becoming a State.
@BIackOp : actually, that detail was about violence creating states, the other issue is that private enterprise turns into a state, of course, in history, these private enterprises would now be considered criminal organizations... so without a state the criminial private organizations become a state. Better?
@pyrrho314 I can easily point at the war on drugs creating private cartels in the black market because the State created a barriers to entry for them.. I can't point in history of a private threat maintaining an empire on people without State supporting it, like land grants, subsidies, and tariffs. Any organize attempting to charge monopoly rates in a Free market quickly loses profits, and any organization using violence to conquer others quickly finds out it costs too much.
@BIackOp : funny, you mean like slaves had to recognize being slaves was appropriate in order to be put into slavery? If we all respect private property rights and everything is private, then you don't even have to us e overt violence... you own the wa ter, you can say "no water for you it's my property". But in that case it's known people won't obey property rights, so they resort to violence, which means the private owner can use legitimized violence to protect itself. oops
@pyrrho314 There is a difference with initiation of force, and retaliatory force. Homesteading, and the various types of property rights. Denouncing private property is stupid, because the only other alternative is common property, and that means no one owns anything but the State... Example: Sparta, no one owned anything, not even deciding what their job was but their State.
I can show you links to various societies to operated without resorting to coercive death threats from some rulers...
@BIackOp : send away, I've been exposed to such alleged societies.
What is confusing the situation is that in eras when you could just go somewhere and make a city... this was a private enterprise and it became government... in many cases, as with Rome allegedly (legend), these were camps... the governments form from that organization.
Two so called Political Parties (SP) REPUBLICAN + DEMOCRAT.
Twenty First Century Political Parties - MODERATE CONSERVATIVES + LIBERAL SOCIALISTS.
Jantv81 3 weeks ago
He is confusing real Socialism with State Socialism (fake Socialism), but I will forgive him that, it's not his fault the word has been perverted over the last hundred years.
Corporatism is basically the system under Hitler and it disgusts me. Ron Paul is the only one who can fight this corruption with a chance of being elected. Socialists like me should join up with real liberals, Independents, Libertarians, tea party, Occupy Wall Street and get this man in!
Ron Paul 2012
aeris2001 1 month ago 2
@aeris2001 anarcho syndicalism is still morally wrong and consumptive to the extent that it advocates force. The value of labour is determined by a human action in a free market, not the employer OR the employed. It's the basic pacifist pragmatism that liberty is productive which dictates libertarian non aggression. The socialism you're referring to is still prejudice and advocates unionised collective force.
PrivateAckbar 1 month ago
FUCK THE USA! I hope the OBAMA gets reelected so you faggots suffer....
5car5ace 4 months ago
socialism is not the enemy, corporatist are
harrisonconstantinou 4 months ago 2
@harrisonconstantinou Nah socialism defo is as well mate :)
PrivateAckbar 1 month ago
better off a socialist
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thefreedomlass 4 months ago
To the top comment, yes, let's save this country from the clutches of the businesses and corps, let's make Ron proud, come on everyone what we do tomorrow might just affect what will unfold in the future.
MysTeri0usMatT7 4 months ago
I wish Obama was a socialist.
Antiks72 5 months ago 4
Don't Call Obama a Socialist; He's a Corporatist '
yeah and don't call Ron Paultard a LIEbertarian, call him a typical Repiglickin douchebag hypocrite/ liar who was willing to let the man who directed his Presidential campaign DIE, w/out health insurance...fuck this fucking monkey and his idiot son of an asshole Randy Paultard, what a couple of intellectually bankrupt fucking Repugnant scum
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straight shootin texan....
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RON PAUL IS GOING TO BE PROSECUTED BY UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! ITS UNCONSTITUTIONAL TO CALL AMERICAN PEOPLE INVADERS AND INITIATERS OF WARS.
RON PAUL SAID THE USA INVADES COUNTRIES AND STARTS WARS, WHICH GIVES USA A BAD REPUTATION AROUND THE WORLD , THEREFORE IT IS CONSIDERED A CRIME . A US CITIZEN WHO
WAS BORN IN USA CANT GO AGAINST GOVERNMENT POLICIES WHICH MIGHT TREATEN THE FUTURE
OF THE COUNTRYS SECURITY .
RON PAUL WILL BE PROSECUTED BY US GOVERNMENT!
democratsaresmart 9 months ago
RON PAUL for 2012 a peaceful revolution for America!!!!!!!!!!!!
raiden241 10 months ago
same thing socialist coprateist same shit
TheRivetthead 11 months ago
"Government controls the private sector through taxes, regulations & subsidies & has done so for decades." Well which is it? Do the multinationals control the govt or vice versa? RP wants us to return to Feudalism. What other force do we have BUT govt to limit monopolization & cartels? None. We must therefore seek to reform & regain popular control of govt, STRENGTHEN - not enervate - its ability to crack down on corp. malfeasance, & make economy serve those that generate its value: workers.
musicalidea 1 year ago
What an idiot - coidentifying corporate taxes w subsidies. Clearly, Obama - right along w Reagan, Bush1, Clinton, Bush2 - has favored CUTTING taxes for the oligopoly. He is also not-so-secretly out 2 decimate the New Deal he pretends to support: e.g. abolish Soc Sec, Mi. Wage, Age limits, Overtime, the right to collectively bargain: in short, to abolish the 20th C. Clearly, the plutocratic power elite want the abrogation of all branches of govt save those that serve them: namely, the military.
musicalidea 1 year ago
Obama is absolutely a Corporatist, just like Bush2, Clinton, Bush1, REAGAN and even Carter. Ron Paul has hit it DEAD on the nail - and it is far worse than Socialism. Democratic Socialism, a/k/a Social Democracy, a/k/a Market Socialism is the answer, not the enemy! Wake up and see the shadow elite now walking in broad daylight.
musicalidea 1 year ago 3
Finally! A Republican man with some sense in him. If I hear another person on Fox or at a teaparty rally call Obama a socialist my head might just explode.
PossessDismiss 1 year ago 2
Why is Ron Paul still alive. The way the system works is ...... If you tell the truth to 2 or 3 people no big deal. all that you will get is ostracism. If you tell the truth to a thousand people one of the people will kill you. If you tell the truth to a million or more the government will take you out. So, what is wrong? Does the system no longer work? I just don't get it.
SustenanceNCovering 1 year ago
@SustenanceNCovering Do u think "a truly free market" will lead to liberty? How does a selective thinker like Ron Paul even define a "free market"? Free 4 the arbitrary few who amass capital & limit therewith the self-determination of their slaves. After having been stamped out by FDR, the sweatshops are on the fast track back to the USA. It is the corp. rulers who have always pushed dereg, "free trade" & no taxes! We r a simply a "fungible cost" that they seek to reduce to bare min. Wake up!
musicalidea 1 year ago
@musicalidea Oh no I love to listen to Ron Paul Speak. Everything that he says is wonderful, I love everything that he says, but I'm not stupid. Ron Paul is just an elitist like all of the other politiicans. There have been powerful people in the past who have spoken the truth with no intention of ever implementing anything that they say, but they all quickly changed their tune or died. Ron Paul is nothing more than a distraction to make people think that there is still some kind of hope.
SustenanceNCovering 1 year ago
@musicalidea (part 2) and, when Ron Paul doesn't win the office of president, those who are actually naive enough to still think that freedom and democracy and voting, and Santa Claus are real or ever were real just imagine that the majority still want the status quo, and go home with their tails between their legs. I posted a video about how I feel about Obama, Ron Paul, and all the owners of Amerika called "Political Aspects of Survival". It's on my channel. You should check it out.
SustenanceNCovering 1 year ago
@musicalidea "When will the workers wake up?" is a good post to look up on Bill Mitchell's Billy Blog...alternative economic thinking, real wages have been suppressed below labour productivity from the 1970s.
We are underpaid and overtaxed.
Understanding Modern Sovereign Money is vitally important.
The only thing more stupid than for a government to be a currency user like in the ECB/Eurozone-land, is to have sovereign currency issuing power and not use it powerfully for public purpose!
WillOrng 9 months ago
@SustenanceNCovering, if you tell it to millions of people, the system knows if they take out you millions of people will know you did it and then the war between government and citizens aka 2nd revolutionary war!
sjvietboy408 7 months ago
CORRECTION: if you tell it to millions of people, the system knows if they take out you millions of people will know *WHO* did it and then the war between government and citizens aka 2nd revolutionary war starts!
sjvietboy408 7 months ago
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watch this 6part documentary about voting and think about how the 2012 votes will really be voted?
youtube.com/watch?v=2Ywe-mXixD8
marvelstryfe 1 year ago
True, true
PtAltmVansanTarr 1 year ago
im a left wing libertarian yes dont call them a free marketer or socialist but i have to say what he said about socialism is wrong that not socialism doesnt mean government controls and owns industry thats keynsian economics socialism is more anti government and workers run industry
timetochilli 1 year ago
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Republicans worked on behalf of Blackwater(mercenary group), Halliburton(2nd largest oil infrastructure corporation in the world, formely lead by Dick Cheney), and CACI(torture/interrogation firm) to manufacture consent for a war that has largely been privatized by your tax dollars. The Democrats, although they have many flaws(endemic of the two party system), were the only ones besides Ron Paul who stood against the war profiteering and mismanagement of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
IndigoVagrant 1 year ago
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On Opensecretsdotorg > Politicians and Elections > Presidential > Barack Obama > Independent Expenditures > Democratic Socialists of America.
DSA is the largest US affiliate of the Socialist International (SI), the worldwide organization of 140 socialist, social democratic and labor parties. The SI has the distinction of being the largest political organization in the world.
BuckOffama 1 year ago
"Government Officials often act in Collusion with their favorite business interests."
Sounds like our U.S. Orwellian surveillance-state that has been exponentially growing since 9/11. And they are so secret that they can't share info with each other! Watch PBS' Frontline "Top Secret America" in January (and read the Washington Post series Top Secret America on the web, Frontline's show was originally supposed to air this fall, hopefully all the truth has not been redacted from it!.
MiKikaIwaShizaru 1 year ago
[Continuation of my last post] I doubt anyone who gets that far in life can really be honest enough or good enough to not be bad. Everyone must realize that people will most likely not be able to change anything. It's next to impossible. But I do agree with what Ron Paul has to say.
Dubonjierugi 1 year ago
Socialism isn't evil, it's a human idea that was created and is equal to the free market system many countries have. It's nothing but an idea like MONEY. Except for that, yes, Corporatism is bad. It should be stopped. But for gods sakes, what American president wasn't? Just get over it, also, let us all remember the South Park episode about voting real quick: you will always have to vote for either a douche, or a turd sandwich in the end. So who gives a shit really?
Dubonjierugi 1 year ago
Let's not forget what someone w/ some knowledge on the subject once said; “Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power” - Benito Mussolini
Ron Paul for President 2012!
enemyartistkristofeR 1 year ago
It's more about the marketing than the market interaction or more so market arbitration. It is a shame most people can't see past the fanaticism and contradiction that goes hand in hand with the right/left paradigm. Excellent post!
jgalvanatx 1 year ago
The funny thing is Bush was a corportist as well, but where was the hillbillies then? Anyways, isn't by definition socialism is government by the people FOR the people. Meaning the government does things to help the common citizen NOT the corporations. That's why socialism isn't bad by definition.
videowithmeaning 1 year ago
@videowithmeaning Ron Paul spoke out against Bush's policies, too. The question is "Where were YOU then?".
noncontributingzero 1 year ago
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@videowithmeaning @videowithmeaning Ron Paul spoke out against Bush's policies, too. The question is "Where were YOU then?".
noncontributingzero 1 year ago
@videowithmeaning
Socialism is basically state control of the means of production to achieve some utopian end. This has 2 basic problems. 1) command economy is hoplessly ineffective and 2) what do you do with the people who dont share the utopian goal.
Illyrien 1 year ago
@Illyrien but what stops capitalism from becoming, corporatism? A Lot of people talk about how socialism and communism can't work due to greed or not sharing goals etc, but what stops pure capitalism from becoming corporatism? Has pure capitalism ever worked yet? No Company like capitalism, they don't want competition. Essentially the government would have to be really strong to not subject itself to corporate lobbying.
videowithmeaning 1 year ago
@videowithmeaning
Socialsm is impossible because it supress people and prevent economic calculus, though destroying the price system. Corporatism requires a central state which can interfer in the economics system on behalf of those who control it. Once such a state exist it becomes a struggles between groups to control it for their own gain, and it grows continually. We havent found a permanent way to prevent this yet. The US constinution is the best so far, and it still failed.
Illyrien 1 year ago 2
@videowithmeaning
Early american history is a continual struggle between those who want to limit the Federal state (like Jefferson) and those who want to expands its powers for their own sake (people like Hamilton). Unfortunately eventually the Hamiltonian faction won and gave hos the disasterous monster we have in the US today.
Illyrien 1 year ago 2
The problem with capitalism is: The people who we elected to protect us from the abuse of it..were and are all bought and paid for whores of the global elite..They have failed their countrymen and women cos of their greed period.
unoitaliano 1 year ago 2
@unoitaliano No, that's the problem with corporate fascism.
noncontributingzero 1 year ago
congress, consotium<<<<<network of Corporatist,
wingully 1 year ago
As usual I've created an illustrated version of this RP broadcast. You can see it on my channel via the direct link:
/watch?v=ugKtJjMmMDo
RidleyReport 1 year ago
You forgot that most of the Democrats and Republicans are the same as President Obama. The comment by your son Rand about the Gulf of Mexico disaster by British Petrol was wrong since they made so many short cuts an their employees where ignored who tried to prevent the spill. What is your view on that and the Republicans apologizing for BP ?
airforcemax 1 year ago 3
I love Ron Paul but he describes socialism as communism which is incorrect is it not? In socialism the people own the companies and manage it through a voting system. In a communist system, THAT'S when the companies and everything is owned by the government. But I just could never imagine Ron Paul getting that wrong.
TheFutureLooksGrimm 1 year ago
@TheFutureLooksGrimm
From what I remember from Marx, communism is the end utopian ideal world of endless plenty where the state has withered away. Besides voting in socialist societies? Seriously? Where? those societies never vote
Illyrien 1 year ago
Ron paul is not lying, socialism doesn't apply here.
thefredsays 1 year ago
Don't call Ron Paul a Libertarian; He's a Neo-Confederate
(Not to be confused with a Neo-Conservative, which he most definitely is not)
COMALiteJ 1 year ago
Yep, Corporatism is worse than Socialism, it's Fascism and Socialism for the wealthy elites on Wall Street.
Want more bailouts and bonuses for wall street? and taxpayers paying for it all?
Keep that Corporatism coming!
plutocratarianism 1 year ago
Obviously he's a Corporatist, just like every other president lol. He didn't change anything. I'm no Rightwing Libertarian, but at least you know Ron Paul won't sell out to the lobbyists. In the 08' election I was actually closest to Dennis Kucinich, and I hold a leftist Libertarian ideology.
The left or right wings aren't anti-American, the Authoritarian wing is, whether that's on the left (Communism) or the right (Corporatism).
SirPwn4lot 1 year ago 39
@SirPwn4lot So is Senator McCain
airforcemax 1 year ago
I greatly really admire and support Ron Paul and his ideas. But listen: Those of you fellow supporters who say "only Ron Paul can save us," are PART OF THE PROBLEM, and you're missing his point. WE have to do it. Dr. Paul has been a great teacher of the ideas that are necessary to do this. He has said it himself: it's the ideas that are popular and that matter. So man up (or woman up), and go DO something. Learn more. Teach more. Do more, whether it's locally or nationally.
levity76 1 year ago 59
@levity76 I agree woith you, I think, I THINK that people doesn't really know what to do
SolidSnake99x 1 year ago
@levity76 absolutely, ideas and persuasion will save us, not one individual. i live in los angeles and have gotten to work on all of my friends here - they're starting to question things more, and i bet they'll at least hesitate before checking D down the line when they go to the polls.
scott04la 1 year ago
@levity76 what if you're like a man. But you choose to woman up instead. would that still be ok?
failblorg 1 year ago
@levity76 Only Ron Paul can save us. If we don't get him in in 2012 we will lose more of our freedom and may end up bending over or fighting a civil war. His ideas are what make him great and makes the movement but don't underestimate the man and his importance.
He really is our hope for a peaceful resolution to these problems.
mrhnm 9 months ago
@levity76 Spot on. Each person needs to take responsibility for their community and thereby their country. If the ideals of Ron Paul are combined with the idea of local sustainable agriculture then we will truly be headed towards a prosperous nation. We must leave behind the paradigm of designing things to be disposable and shift into designing closed loop systems which enhance the health of our land instead of destroy it .
jollincones 6 months ago
yeah, Paul's right about this. People get caught up with Democrats vs Republican and ignore the fact that BOTH parties are beholden to corporate money. A big, powerful central government is dangerous to people because it is a concentration of unchecked power. The same is true with corporations, and this becomes worse when gov't power and corporate power are allied, which is the case in our country. However, gov't CAN be a PART of the solution, but ONLY when citizens are involved.
levity76 1 year ago
Ron Paul gets it. He's one of the few who do.
jfl440 1 year ago
A failed corrupt Government is all around us.
Want Health care? Bring home our troops DemoRepublican war mongers are one of the same
End the Fed and the inside 911 war ploys will end with them
Be a responsible free American not mongers accountable for Bigger Governmental wars.
Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Wake up America Bring home our troops Oh Ya YOU CANT ANYMORE
Allamericom 1 year ago
i agree with ron paul, but socialism is peoples ownership of industry, if government is not sufficiently controlled by the people then its prettymuch a harder example of corporatism like what you see in some european countries, to call the obama administration socialist is to suggest that the current govt is working towards the interests of the majority (however misguided socialists may be you cant deny they have good intention), which isnt true, same old big corp loving govt
ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz 1 year ago
Yeah corporatism is facism, its well discussed in prof Jeff grupp's book Corporatism
MrWisePete 1 year ago
It is amazing to me how people can take the words of wisdom, turn them into some personal hit on their self, and then criticize the wisdom... and that only comes when government doesn't heed the warnings of George Washington about having a two party system. Liberals, without a God, look at their party as their God...
Mr. Paul, God Speed!
473009723 1 year ago
@473009723 I'm a Ron Paul supporter, and I don't think most liberals look to their party "as their God". In fact, there is a tradition of a religious left in this country. (E.g. many religious folks actively supported that liberal civil right movement.) Besides, separation of church and state and religious tolerance are foundations of this country. So, stop worrying about people's religion. Get off your self-righteous high horse.
levity76 1 year ago
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Paul is an asshole who just likes to label people. So here is my label for you Ron. KOOK!
NoLibertarian 1 year ago
@NoLibertarian I don't have to say much about your comment, your name says it all, you don't like freedom. Try to find truth my friend. For what you believe is true, challenge it; test yourself and try defending the opposite view. Search and you might find something you didn't know was true, and then you might begin to see the bigger picture.
SublimeStoner 1 year ago
@SublimeStoner ..I love freedom, I'm free as a bird.
NoLibertarian 1 year ago
@NoLibertarian um, good solid points there.
adelsmana 1 year ago
@NoLibertarian- Yeah, I hear ya. Nobama already has a cot saved for you at a prison camp. Soon we won't sound so "kooky". Ron Paul can save us. Don't allow big bank & big corporation to decide what happens. Read the Constitution and know what your rights are so you know when they are being taken from you.
If you're not pissed off,you're not paying attention. Please do some research.BTW the words "no" & "liberty" should never be put so close together!
Wake Up.
tangledweb79 1 year ago
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@tangledweb79 ..LOL, prison camp?? Congratulations, you're kookier than Paul. According to you assholes Bush was canceling the 08 elections and declaring martial law. You are a total bunch of lunatics. Absolutely bat shit insane.
NoLibertarian 1 year ago
@NoLibertarian tangledweb79...is no lunatic, and the name calling doesn't surprise me since that's what is heard repeatedly from the libtards. Like he says...if you're not pissed off, you're not paying attention.
1stardancer 1 year ago
@NoLibertarian Darling there real, if you take some time to study whats wrong with this world instead of calling names on the internet then maybe you'll come deep down in the rabbit hole, or maybe you'll fight against it. Its your choice, choose wisley for my future and your next generation and so on.
chupomipito 1 year ago
@chupomipito .The camps are real, but they are not prison camps sweetie.
NoLibertarian 1 year ago
@tangledweb79 Ok, you don't know me, but you call me an asshole? For real?
Take a look in the mirror,chump.
tangledweb79 1 year ago
The Revolution continues! Ron Paul's book by the same name refers to the American Revolution.
bluetablepainting 1 year ago
It's amazing that I agree with almost everything that Ron Paul says. He is anti-abortion but thinks it should be a state issue. I am pro-abortion and I think it should be a woman's right to choose nationwide. (It already is. Let's hope it never changes)
chadpopstar 1 year ago
Some people don't know that "Corporatist" is just another word for fascist. This comes as a surprise to any history or conspiracy buff who is well familiar with Mussolini's famous quote, but it's an honest mistake.
"Corporatist, worse than a socialist" - Indeed LOL! I'm sure Obama understands that Paul has stepped up and called him a fascist in public.
Go Ron Paul!
JizzonTheDark 1 year ago
@JizzonTheDark true, although in a way socialism has historically been a corporatist form of government, because it helps military spending and the central banks across Europe, as well as the entire cold war
CoombesKidd 1 year ago
It must be a euphemism in this day and age...
alleyghost 1 year ago
Ron paul's got it backwards. Private industries control the government
KarateKidX 1 year ago 2
@KarateKidX Go back to sleep...
BLibertarian 1 year ago
So what's the difference with a fascist?
alleyghost 1 year ago
Ron Paul 2012
Ron Paul 2012
Ron Paul 2012
SgtWreck 1 year ago
i went to a tea party. what a buch of retards. they don't seem to know what they want. Your involvement with the gov is totally volunary. Yeah, they may try to kill you but they are not acting against y ou. They are acting against your legal fiction or PERSON.
bradq 1 year ago
@bradq This is either satire, or you're completely insane. ^_^
Psychosmurf547 1 year ago
I've been saying this forever! Stupid teabaggers never listen until Ron Paul calls it like it is. Still disagree with Ron Paul on many things, but at least he knows what's up.
franzjoseph31 1 year ago
I voted for Obama but he is a coporatists
wlogan1977 1 year ago
it ends with "...alist" it must be bad.
PS. i am not well educated
3DInteractiveGun 1 year ago
Ron Paul speaks honestly. But I must say that the comments on here are, for the most part, pretty pathetic.
briteness 1 year ago 2
A truthful examination of Obeyme's relationships, donors, and policies should make it clear to anyone with a minimum of 2 brain cells to rub together that this Poseident believes in and practices the same kinds of politics as the fascists. Therefore, he is a fascist, and every stroke of his pen takes us one step closer to fascism proper.
Stepper11 1 year ago
ronald reagon was a terrible president
dawg098 1 year ago
Barry Soetoro is a corporate/ wall street fascist.
bigb47 1 year ago
@bigb47 Ahh you know Obama's real name! haha
chupomipito 1 year ago
sound quality was bad so I just adjusted the volume, great message, got it dead right. I think Obama for change was an excellent heist on the U.S. public because many thought a black American would stand up for the people, fact is money doesnt recognize colour he is another "suit" pushing the aims of big business an elite minority at the expense of the majority of the people. Ron Paul = a man of the people from the people and for the people.
dragonplumnuts 1 year ago
ron paul 2012 !!!!! humanity will win! please win dr. ron paul! please! greetings from germany. we count on you!
Prohumani 1 year ago
Hi Ron, what you say is completely true but it's hard to understand because the sound quality is really bad
/greetings from Europe
slightlyndifferent 1 year ago
@RonPaul2008dotcom While I'm not disagreeing with your argument in the comments. Who is going to confront Mr. Obama about his corporatist agenda? Certainly not the MSM.
robertcgage 1 year ago
corporatism is in fact FASCHISM.
mussolini said exactly this
horror11 1 year ago
I can't hear what he's saying.
JaysThoughts 1 year ago
2012!
zrzr4 1 year ago
I saw a news ad today talking about Senator Dodd cracking down on wall st. All he wants is regulation, more gov. Looks to me like Peter Schiff has him fearful for his seat and hes trying to appeal to his constituents. The article was soapbox drama, talking about all the people that disliked the bill, like Obama, Pelosi, etc. but didn't say anything about the bill really, just how anti-goverment it is, though it mentions setting up an agency to police consumer lending...the way people lie is sad.
MotesTV 1 year ago
@MotesTV Dodd is "retiring" from the Senate... He was polling terribly and knew he was not going to win. He dropped out several months ago.
Syphalis1 1 year ago
I'd say they are equally worse.
karkelkhan 1 year ago
If you follow the money trail from the corporations to the campaign coffers, it makes Paul's point. Google campaign contributions or visit the FEC website for the facts. It will astound you as to which money went to whom.
bertly71 1 year ago
Achtung und Heil und Willkommen Amerikaner! Obama ist our new schwarze Fyhrer!
You will have a wonderbar zukunft future. Amerika yber alle in the Welt. :D
Gassebol 1 year ago
That's right!
Shaunt1 1 year ago
there is nothing "conservative" about reagan. He was a big state thug and nanny state advocate. hes just as bad as the liberals
chorizo1337 1 year ago
@chorizo1337 after he was shot by bush's sons friend he fell in line.
tangeuray 1 year ago
The over riding distinction here is that in a free country you can have everything....meaning if you want to start a little community in a free country that is facist and wear boots and swatzsticas...that is your freedom to do so...or communist or whatever.....where the problems come in is where morons are endowed to subject their stupid ideas on others through various socialsit instruments...be they fascist, communist, corporatist....or whatever..and that's the big big distinction...
whothehellgivesadamn 1 year ago
The money property system itself is the ROOT of the problems.
1. people need food, water, energy, medicine, etc.
2. money systems require scarcity, so they will never create abundance of 1
3. sharing ALL resources and knowledge keeps small groups from controlling everyone
4. we have the resources and technology to provide EVERYTHING for the world now
5. automating the production, distribution of things frees up humanity to no longer be wage slaves to governments or corporations.
jgaltut 1 year ago
F A S C I S M .... is what we have.
engine2truck6 1 year ago
@engine2truck6 Exactly, I am not sure why Ron Paul uses the word corporatism and not fascism.
MrClawson9 1 year ago
@MrClawson9 because no one will take you seriously if you throw that misunderstood term around
Syphalis1 1 year ago
@Syphalis1 Terrible comment. Fascism is the merger of corporations and governments. Not sure how that could be misunderstood or not taken seriously.
MrClawson9 1 year ago
I think Ron may have this slightly confused all of this crap is various SHADES OF SOCIALISM so weather its...FASCISM.... COMMUNISM....NEOCONISM...OR WHATTHEFUCKEVER....these miserably stupid ideas are all SHADES OF SOCIALISM...this distinction then helps you understand the full spectrum of nonsense better and put it into a more useful perspective........so corporatism nonsense is just another variation of socialist nonsense that said. RON PAUL 2012... LET'S STOP THIS CRAP WHATEVER YOU CALL IT!
whothehellgivesadamn 1 year ago
States that believe in freedom could agree to a simultaneous secession at a future date into a mirror version of the US as founded, create a weak Federal government, and leave the remaining states to rot under misrule of entrenched Republicrats.
You wouldn't be leaving the United States. The real states united would be shedding a flag, a parchment, a city of monuments, and a federal government that no longer stand for freedom.
The words on the Constitution are what America truly is.
IRONMANAustralia 1 year ago
@IRONMANAustralia Are you Australian? Shame on many Americans if you are, mate: most US citizens do not understand what America is based upon... and most are not as passionate about those ideas as you are.
engine2truck6 1 year ago
@engine2truck6 Ideas know no borders. Anyone with a brain can see that the US, by virtue of fundamental political philosophy, (deviations from that ideal notwithstanding), truly is the shining city on the hill.
Even bad foreign policy decisions can't change that fact.
Australia isn't the worst place to live by a long shot, but is blinded by a shallow, but ingrained cultural anti-Americanism based on superficial perceptions of the US.
IRONMANAustralia 1 year ago
@IRONMANAustralia that is so true about australians generally, i mean this is just from my personal experience which is limited, but it seems that almost without exception i have observed that they are pretty cranky people, and most have pulled the "anti-american" card out at some point or another too
MrJ864759001 1 year ago
@MrJ864759001 Talk for yourself, because Im Aussie, I am Australian until I die, and would NEVER become an American, but I love America, I love President Reagan`s vision of the USA, as he loved the USA. Not Obama`s, I wont even call him President, he hates America.
iamdiaperman 1 year ago
@iamdiaperman Reagon SUCKED. Geez people have dranken the kool aid about that idiot. Iran Contra, Crack in LA, The start of deregulation, He tore the solar panels off of the white house..screw Reagan his administration is still in power behind the scenes. Its not your fault though..our media sucks and spreads misinformation all of the time. Reagan help start the REVERSAL of our nation. You love his vision..well that is good for you but bad for the US. Our nation started falling after he came in.
genefire 1 year ago 8
I spare mercy on you, but god wont be so nice
iamdiaperman 1 year ago
@iamdiaperman TARD
fearlessftw 1 year ago
@genefire Amen! This is the best comment I've seen on UTube for a while!
partymariner 1 year ago
@genefire
Because he did the right thing, reagan did tore off the solar panels, because it was a hoax.
And our nation started falling in 1913.
jmjfanss 1 year ago
@MrJ864759001 Hanging shit on people is just a cultural thing here and in the vast majority of cases shouldn't be taken too seriously.
The real issue is under the surface. Me supporting the right to bear arms for example, wouldn't fail draw an overinflated comparison to gun violence in the US, (with no consideration of relative population I might add), by people who parrot that they "don't want Australia to become like America", with absolutely no deeper appreciation of what that means.
IRONMANAustralia 1 year ago
The failure of Government is all around us.
Want Health care? Bring home our troops DemoRepublican war mongers
End the Fed and the inside 911 wars will end with them
Be a responsible American not accountable for Bigger Government war Mongers.
Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Allamericom 1 year ago
The democrats brings in corporatism and the opposition attack them for being socialist which makes the liberal happy because they think they're gonna get free health care etc... The establishment is so slick they've managed to bring in corporatism(some call it fascism) and convinced enough people they had socialism... It's the perfect scam.
MustacheVerra 1 year ago
Sorry Ronny P. but, siding with militant fascists just dropped your street cred.
TheHanzoMK1 1 year ago
Agreed so much! Socialism would be a huge step up from Obama.
Madfoot713 1 year ago
I hope we can end the fed soon.
President, Ron Paul
Vice-president, Andrew Napoloitano
Treasury secretary, Peter Schiff
Secretary of defense, Michael Scheur
There would be no more big government!!! ^_^ We could be a humble and happy republic with liberty and justice for all.
anarchylogic 1 year ago 2
@anarchylogic
That is a little ambitious, perhaps even pipe dreamy... let's focus on taking back congress first. Dr Paul would agree this is the correct action to take here. Even if he was elected president, he would be rendered ineffective the existing members of congress... kick all the incumbents out and find the liberty candidate!!
bedtime4bonzo 1 year ago
I had this socialist or corportist debate with someone who makes videos on YouTube, and he started whining about my age because he had no argument. He buys into this stupid "socialist" meme, which is nonsense.
It's sad that people always want to shut down debate once they're proven wrong. But not before throwing disgusting ageism at you.
PurpleHoneyBear 1 year ago
@PurpleHoneyBear
I wonder did Ron know his own party is owned by Corporations and he still stayed.
tanio12 1 year ago
@tanio12 he used the republican party just as they use him now. he wouldn't be on national tv every day now if he hadn't been on those prime time debates during the 2008 campaign. he wouldn't have been able to attend them as a third party candidate. if you knew anything about him, you would know that he has no allegiance to his party, and it shows in his voting record...
bedtime4bonzo 1 year ago 2
Paul is being diplomatic towards Obama. Corporatism goes by a older and much more appropriate name. National socialism AKA fascism. The economic model is obvious and then the loss of personal liberty will follow along with this type of government economy
elricmlbone 1 year ago
The world is changing fast, and it is not like this all started yesterday. The entire history of mankind has been a great big facade', a carnival, the illusion for the masses (the mask over hell), ran by men who are at the top of secret societies and religions. 5000 years ago the evil priests (hidden hand) tried to usurp the power of the Pharos, and were thrown out of Egypt for it. Now these evil bloodlines rule over all governments, institutions, and corporations. Why do we ignore it?
rross27 1 year ago
@rross27 because we have a constitution and we believe in the rule of law and no matter what catastrophical shit happens to the world, if the IDEA of liberty survives, the future of mankind will be better off.
bedtime4bonzo 1 year ago
@rross27
i know right? and people actually believe there is a right and a left, no they all are bought and paid for including Ron Paul but you will you never know, somebody has to keep the wool over people's eyes. If Ron was a true person he would leave his party and risk losing everything to stand for something but he won't.
tanio12 1 year ago
@tanio12
You should search why he doesn't run as a third party.
There is very good reason not to run as a third party.
Third parties don't get the same considerations on televised debates, ballot access, and in general people are less likely to pay attention to third party campaigns.
The deck is stacked against third parties in many ways, though I certainly agree they need to play a substantially larger role.
Freethought42 1 year ago 2
@tanio12 Yep! Question, "why does Ron Paul stick his hand in his coat in a "certain way" when he speaks in front of the rest of his Mason Gov. Brethren. Ever hear of, "The Hidden Hand"? DARE-lookup, "The Secret Meaning of The Hidden Hand. Every great mans portrait since Napoleon, shows this clearly. They want to crash the banks (FR), and have a World Order. (After they kill most of us first, because we are useless eaters and machines can work 4 them now).
rross27 1 year ago
Question: This video was uploaded on the 25th. According to the video, this addition of STRAIGHT TALK came out the 26th.
How is that possible?
TheManiacalSatanist 1 year ago
I really don't care who's behind it, who owns what, or who the rulers are. Is it a big government system controlling the lives of its people? Then it's a socialist government. Who controls what really amounts to little more than semantics.
Ask the people on the ground if they want their tyranny served up by corporations, or if they'd prefer an intelligentsia to do it - I'm thinking when that boot is pressing their cheek into the pavement, they're not too interested in what's on the label.
TheSharpenedPen 1 year ago
corporations are controlled by the state in corporatism? no, the state is in the hand of the corporations... the CEOs do not answer to the government, it's the other way around. That happens to make the CEOs dependent on government, but it does not mean that the government runs the corporations, it means it spoils them by giving them everything they think they need, turning them into whiny non-productive scams.
pyrrho314 1 year ago
@pyrrho314 They use each other, but the State is the boss. They have the "legal" force to use violence. The corporations can't tax you like the State can. Without the State, these corporations would crumble as Rothbard made the case on the myth of private tyrannies without coercive state intervention. History shows it is the state who gives land grants, subsidies, bail outs, trade barriers, selective taxation. Those with the pen to write laws are the Kings, in turn they get favors.
BIackOp 1 year ago
@BIackOp : no, without the government those corporations would become the state.
The idea that powerful entities besides the state don't use violence because they are not supposed to is naive in the extreme... yes, if a magic pact not to use violence were in place, and effective then you could assume corps would crumble, but there is no such thing EXCEPT government. That's what government is.
But gov has to be able because no one has invented a fully non-violent private sector.
pyrrho314 1 year ago
@pyrrho314 You must understand the difference between a monopoly and a coercive monopoly. If a corporation becomes a state they are a coercive monopoly. They would have to convince everyone this is just, to control particular functions in society, start small and move on up to the point today. But corporations can't do this as easily as you think. First, using violence to make a state falls on its face. There would be a war, but there profits come from the people they are fighting thus...
BIackOp 1 year ago
@BIackOp this using direct violence doesn't work, it would have to be a religious game in the mind to convince people they need something that is useless. The problem is there isn't one corporation, you have different business all over, and the fact people are afraid of such tyrannies from arising makes it even that much harder for a business to become a state. The worse a business can do is charge the monopoly rate, not coerce you into this business, and this falls apart on a free market.
BIackOp 1 year ago
@BIackOp : " First, using violence to make a state falls on its face." this claim is what we call ahistorical. That's the only way a state has EVER been created.
pyrrho314 1 year ago
@pyrrho314 You are missing the religion factor. If Microsoft went to war on us to "conquer" us, we would have to believe in being conquered to being conquered. People would have to legitimize the new rulers for that they are to being ruled. Thus like I said, its in the mind. If a business tried this in a free society, its not likely people would accept. The other thing you are missing is the cost, who would these investors be? We are talking about a business becoming a State.
BIackOp 1 year ago
@BIackOp *We are talking about a business becoming a State, which is a-historical. Not a State becoming a State.
BIackOp 1 year ago
@BIackOp : actually, that detail was about violence creating states, the other issue is that private enterprise turns into a state, of course, in history, these private enterprises would now be considered criminal organizations... so without a state the criminial private organizations become a state. Better?
pyrrho314 1 year ago
@pyrrho314 I can easily point at the war on drugs creating private cartels in the black market because the State created a barriers to entry for them.. I can't point in history of a private threat maintaining an empire on people without State supporting it, like land grants, subsidies, and tariffs. Any organize attempting to charge monopoly rates in a Free market quickly loses profits, and any organization using violence to conquer others quickly finds out it costs too much.
BIackOp 1 year ago
@BIackOp : funny, you mean like slaves had to recognize being slaves was appropriate in order to be put into slavery? If we all respect private property rights and everything is private, then you don't even have to us e overt violence... you own the wa ter, you can say "no water for you it's my property". But in that case it's known people won't obey property rights, so they resort to violence, which means the private owner can use legitimized violence to protect itself. oops
pyrrho314 1 year ago
@pyrrho314 There is a difference with initiation of force, and retaliatory force. Homesteading, and the various types of property rights. Denouncing private property is stupid, because the only other alternative is common property, and that means no one owns anything but the State... Example: Sparta, no one owned anything, not even deciding what their job was but their State.
I can show you links to various societies to operated without resorting to coercive death threats from some rulers...
BIackOp 1 year ago
@BIackOp : send away, I've been exposed to such alleged societies.
What is confusing the situation is that in eras when you could just go somewhere and make a city... this was a private enterprise and it became government... in many cases, as with Rome allegedly (legend), these were camps... the governments form from that organization.
pyrrho314 1 year ago
@pyrrho314
Broad selection list with many play-lists: /watch?v=6Bxo1CIi44w
Selection under Examples: shows a few regions...
Myth of the Robber Barons 1/4: /watch?v=3jvGtwh9ywM
Anarchic vs. Statist Law and Justice 1/5: /watch?v=o0TBE-pcEi0
Spontaneous Order : /watch?v=TlzilMXWMcg
BIackOp 1 year ago
Truth rings out.
BLINDSIGHT8 1 year ago
Obama, as was Bush, is a fascist with socialist tendencies. However, in the end they're all collectivist.
iFreedom4ever 1 year ago