great cast, and nice game. ppl seem to be saying the zerg fucked up so much, but i think it's more a case of nani just played perfectly with some sick forcefields
@iliketha na, as a zerg player, looked like he fucked up to me.. He should have just ran his roaches around the edge of the natural, and popped the pylon, he had the time even before the sentry spawned. Would have lost only 1 roach, and that would have been a GG on the toss's behalf
why do toss plyers only wall at an angle like that and put ther cannons too far back so they cant do anything and they always lose the nexus, man like a big waste of minerals... and nAni should of only needed to contain him and get ani-air and he would of won... wtf... your thoughts on that force?
@AdamShifnal no, they wouldn't win every match, they'd win a significantly higher percentage of games. win percentages would be like ~85% since pro players already have win rates against certain races up to 60-70. I'd say overall the races aren't too imbalanced, but the units themselves need to me tweaked for some. such as mutalisks; even blizzard has been looking into muta balances because muta death balls are ridic. against protoss, so hard to counter it.
why did zenio call the GG though? because he didnt have an expand = lacking econimcally to be able to reinforce quickly enough? (im the biggest sc2 noob but i watch alot of commentaries)
@nikals Indeed. 1 base zerg vs 2 base toss is pretty much impossible unless the toss has a major worked deficit. He should have expanded behind it and gone home once he took out the nexus the first time.
@nikals Had had no second base.. He wasn't making workers because he was making roaches. All he had was roaches. Once they were gone, he had no way to win because Naniwa had more workers (more money coming in) AND two bases, AND a bigger army.
This is what happens when you take your eyes off your army for even a few seconds. They do something stupid like get lured into a meat grinder while you're back at home trying to make some more stuff.
@ThePefectSpartan while force is the best cross between entertainment and knowledge if you really wanna learn something about the game (and ZvZ!) go to day9
That was really really weird at the end... maybe his mouse f'ed up or something... 'cause that was the worst decision I've ever seen a player make in high level play lol...
@Omegax9000 he had invested wayyyy to more into his push to ever be able to come back from that. Nani could have pressured the expo, forcing a couple of roaches/ling in order to defend, delaying yet again the worker count. By this time Nani would have had 2 saturated base, which Zenio could only match by 3 saturated base (bottom line.... wayyyyyy to far behind economically)
@Omegax9000 I disagree. Zenio's miss micro may have cost him the game, and it was nAni's clutch reaction FFs that held the roaches in the death that was the cannons, but, without the 2nd and 3rd cannons, the roaches could bypass the expo wall on the outer fringes, and started attacking buildings at the top of the ramp. And the money (and time) spent on a stargate and void rays, he'd have lost all the buildings at the front choke, and probably the game, due to lack of stalkers.
Looking at the game length, I really wasn't expecting the end result. Great decision making by Zenio, great micro by both players, and a very good first game. Looking forward to the rest of the series. Thanks Force!
@NoshSC2 How do you figure he had great decision making? Continuing to produce roaches knowing that he couldn't possibly break through all four cannons, trying to sneak into the main as if NaNi wouldn't wall, and the blunder at the end trying to muscle in--I feel Zenio made really poor decisions. If he would have expanded behind his pressure he would have had a base lead on his opponent. There was no reason to keep producing roaches--he wasn't going to accomplish anything with them.
@AquaTheFox I agree that Zenio should have expanded behind the aggression. His decision to push out with roaches, as his expo was already delayed, could have bought him more time to get up an expo or two - but I feel he accomplished more being aggresive, rather than dropping a late 2nd, and being behind the protoss on bases. I also feel he could have broken the wall if not for the miss micro that cost him the game.
What a twist! (Said in the way of M. Night Shyamalan)
mojojojo66622 5 days ago
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Balgore8 1 month ago
almost missed this cast. i HATE new youtube layout!!!!!!!
valeriy1987 1 month ago
great cast, and nice game. ppl seem to be saying the zerg fucked up so much, but i think it's more a case of nani just played perfectly with some sick forcefields
iliketha 1 month ago in playlist StarCraft 2 Commentary 2
@iliketha na, as a zerg player, looked like he fucked up to me.. He should have just ran his roaches around the edge of the natural, and popped the pylon, he had the time even before the sentry spawned. Would have lost only 1 roach, and that would have been a GG on the toss's behalf
bloodydove5718 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
why do toss plyers only wall at an angle like that and put ther cannons too far back so they cant do anything and they always lose the nexus, man like a big waste of minerals... and nAni should of only needed to contain him and get ani-air and he would of won... wtf... your thoughts on that force?
dsanchez2111 1 month ago
oh man. just installed this. to bad I didnt save the replay and uploaded it :D that would have gotten some laughs !
*Im terrible..
lechihuahua1 1 month ago
Retards who say Protoss FYI the Zerg just played retarded I could have beat this toss
DrPooMonster 1 month ago
@DrPooMonster k have fun in wood league.
werty302 1 month ago
@DrPooMonster lulz.
TheLastZiggen 1 month ago
noob zerg
eddieoxford 1 month ago in playlist StarCraft 2 Commentary
Way to go, Zenio. I'm a n00b and I wouldn't have been that dumb.
whutbrush 1 month ago
Perfect toss defence.
markomancikas 1 month ago
What OP means?
winsenken 1 month ago
@winsenken over powered
caos1925 1 month ago in playlist StarCraft 2 Commentary
When ever Protoss win, all you see in the comments is "PROTOSS OP"....no....their not. If they were OP, they would win every match!
AdamShifnal 1 month ago
@AdamShifnal no, they wouldn't win every match, they'd win a significantly higher percentage of games. win percentages would be like ~85% since pro players already have win rates against certain races up to 60-70. I'd say overall the races aren't too imbalanced, but the units themselves need to me tweaked for some. such as mutalisks; even blizzard has been looking into muta balances because muta death balls are ridic. against protoss, so hard to counter it.
noJutsu1000 1 month ago
A P V P WOULD BE AWESOME
PRFxSniper 1 month ago
Terran OP
Nerf Irelia
hazzaza1 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
why did zenio call the GG though? because he didnt have an expand = lacking econimcally to be able to reinforce quickly enough? (im the biggest sc2 noob but i watch alot of commentaries)
nikals 1 month ago in playlist StarCraft 2 Commentary
@nikals Indeed. 1 base zerg vs 2 base toss is pretty much impossible unless the toss has a major worked deficit. He should have expanded behind it and gone home once he took out the nexus the first time.
iTracking 1 month ago
@nikals Had had no second base.. He wasn't making workers because he was making roaches. All he had was roaches. Once they were gone, he had no way to win because Naniwa had more workers (more money coming in) AND two bases, AND a bigger army.
co2prod 1 month ago
Shit game, toss op.
Bumsalad 1 month ago in playlist StarCraft 2 Commentary
LOL!!!
AcidBugler 1 month ago
6:46 gotcha bitch!
MonsterMo44 1 month ago in playlist StarCraft 2 Commentary
This is what happens when you take your eyes off your army for even a few seconds. They do something stupid like get lured into a meat grinder while you're back at home trying to make some more stuff.
259 1 month ago 4
wow I was so sure the blue was going to win the first one....
blusmc 1 month ago 2
bronze micro mistake
Plusimurfriend 1 month ago
oh wow what a game >_>
WarStorm93 1 month ago in playlist StarCraft 2 Commentary
God, youtube has been just crap lately... I'm having to wait for buffering even as low as 360p.
NostalgicLink 1 month ago 53
@NostalgicLink it's makeing me mad to i had buffering at 280p. :'(
WolfeStar566599 1 month ago
@NostalgicLink welcome to india
addyn25 1 month ago
1 base zerg? bronze leauge?
Dimitri1221XxX 1 month ago
nani- the one trick pony
CakeIsALie99 1 month ago
Mass planned riots ACTA
HolySpagetty0 1 month ago
The worst canon placement
tartarus216 1 month ago
this early roach push is what a loose to many times lol. Seems easy to counter but damn D: is not
gfrancoramos 1 month ago
nani fucking sucks...
oIIBLACKOUTIIo 1 month ago
Protoss
Aznblack0ps 1 month ago
force please oh please could you do a gaming setup video please?
456zelot 1 month ago in playlist More videos from ForceSC2strategy
anti spoiler
fearfrozen75 1 month ago 2
Force. Could you possibly cast any z vs z?
Being a zerg player that would help alot.
Appreciate it.
ThePefectSpartan 1 month ago 26
@ThePefectSpartan while force is the best cross between entertainment and knowledge if you really wanna learn something about the game (and ZvZ!) go to day9
2JoeStudios 1 month ago
lol scruby zerg cheesers getting owned
MEEG0L 1 month ago
@MEEG0L This was not cheese.. also Zenio is not a scrub.
co2prod 1 month ago
@co2prod his gameplay was pretty scrubly, he has certainly displayed better performance elsewhere.
ReedTheTruth 1 month ago
@ReedTheTruth I agree, but he's not a scrub and racist remarks(lol) are annoying as hell.
co2prod 1 month ago
studying for midterms while watching this shit. #multitasking
Jtsaoster 1 month ago 2
That was terrible. I guess they just had a bad day.
MASTURCHEEF001 1 month ago
zerg fail
Ibringtherain88 1 month ago
Why the heck did he do that at the end?
SephirothSpirit 1 month ago
fucking fail zenio... wonder how he felt after losing that. lolol
nickyx999 1 month ago
Force please if you can mention from where this replay is played (this one IEM Kiev)
TDBhCorsica 1 month ago
Great game :D both players made the right decisions, if he wouldn't miss click or something he would keep the pressure and maybe win.
Sup3rrSnip3rr 1 month ago
Terran's still OP
DaDushbag 1 month ago
That was really really weird at the end... maybe his mouse f'ed up or something... 'cause that was the worst decision I've ever seen a player make in high level play lol...
Selushakai 1 month ago
Spoiler alert they get proxy raxed
Austafarianism 1 month ago
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AquaTheFox 1 month ago
4th,4s my fav # hahaga love the comentaries. you rock
ShotgunRumble 1 month ago
why the hell do zerg players rage like that jesus just expo
Omegax9000 1 month ago
@Omegax9000 he had invested wayyyy to more into his push to ever be able to come back from that. Nani could have pressured the expo, forcing a couple of roaches/ling in order to defend, delaying yet again the worker count. By this time Nani would have had 2 saturated base, which Zenio could only match by 3 saturated base (bottom line.... wayyyyyy to far behind economically)
Maxamix2 1 month ago
@Maxamix2 oh I agree i think the toss player could have dealt with it better but im just broze what do I kno
Omegax9000 1 month ago
too much money invested in cannons stalker was point less get out a void ray send the roaches back home
Omegax9000 1 month ago
@Omegax9000 I disagree. Zenio's miss micro may have cost him the game, and it was nAni's clutch reaction FFs that held the roaches in the death that was the cannons, but, without the 2nd and 3rd cannons, the roaches could bypass the expo wall on the outer fringes, and started attacking buildings at the top of the ramp. And the money (and time) spent on a stargate and void rays, he'd have lost all the buildings at the front choke, and probably the game, due to lack of stalkers.
NoshSC2 1 month ago
moar strategies pleezzzzzzz
paulkim172 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
under 20 club?
GOcgyFLAMESgo 1 month ago
Looking at the game length, I really wasn't expecting the end result. Great decision making by Zenio, great micro by both players, and a very good first game. Looking forward to the rest of the series. Thanks Force!
NoshSC2 1 month ago
@NoshSC2 How do you figure he had great decision making? Continuing to produce roaches knowing that he couldn't possibly break through all four cannons, trying to sneak into the main as if NaNi wouldn't wall, and the blunder at the end trying to muscle in--I feel Zenio made really poor decisions. If he would have expanded behind his pressure he would have had a base lead on his opponent. There was no reason to keep producing roaches--he wasn't going to accomplish anything with them.
AquaTheFox 1 month ago
@AquaTheFox I agree that Zenio should have expanded behind the aggression. His decision to push out with roaches, as his expo was already delayed, could have bought him more time to get up an expo or two - but I feel he accomplished more being aggresive, rather than dropping a late 2nd, and being behind the protoss on bases. I also feel he could have broken the wall if not for the miss micro that cost him the game.
NoshSC2 1 month ago
@AquaTheFox I'ma throw a guess out there and say he meant Nani
Maxamix2 1 month ago
First!
Love watching your commentaries.
psyklone55 1 month ago