NV B.41 - Coriolis masse shot aiming method with large curve

[Drzhaza]

What kind of english atitude you used at this video, to make more CB curve? Front hand english (FHE-move your bridge), Back hand english (BHE-move from the butt) or Parallel english (PE)??? *i'm sorry for my english. Thank you (dr.zhaza@gmail.com)

[DrDaveBilliards]

@Drzhaza

I don't use any particular squirt-compensation method on these shots. I simply judge it by feel. The condition of the ball and cloth have a big effect at such high cue elevations. For more info, go to the FAQ page of my website and click on "squirt" and "cue elevation effects."

[varunpareek5]

good one thnx really helped me

[DrDaveBilliards]

@varunpareek5

I'm glad. Thanks for the comment.

I aim to squerve,

Dr. Dave

[zimbobvey]

Thank you for the excellent quality instructions and the compliment. ATG

[DrDaveBilliards]

@zimbobvey

Thanks! Please help spread the word about my vids, website, and instructional products.

Dr. Dave

[zimbobvey]

Thanks for the video. I'll put this into my toolbox. However, please review the very last slow motion example. There seems to be a double tap on the cue ball - once with the tip and once with the ferule. At normal speed no one will notice. Thx. ATG from NYC

[DrDaveBilliards]

@zimbobvey

I think it is difficult to tell whether or not there are multiple hits with the camera angle provided.

However, as you point out, it wouldn't be called a foul anyway, because it can't possibly be detected by a human.

[killercraigaaaw]

Good video. When people watch trick-shot competitions, they don't believe me when I tell them silicone is used for the power-masse shots. They think they can duplicate what they see, at home. Thanks for pointing that out.

[DrDaveBilliards]

@killercraigaaaw

Thanks for the comments.

It also helps to play on brand new and clean Simonis cloth. The Silicone spray isn't required on slick conditions; although it can make trick shots much easier.

[DrDaveBilliards]

@OhMyHj

You're darn right!

[varunpareek5]

thx



[DrDaveBilliards]

@varunpareek5

You're welcome.

I aim to squerve,

Dr. Dave

[Rasko988]

i visited your website and in part: Normal Video (NV) clip, u started with chapter 2 is there chapter 1 anywhere and if there is whats in it?

[DrDaveBilliards]

@Rasko988

The "chapter" labels correspond to chapters in my book. There are no NV clips referenced in Chapter 1. All available videos are on my website.

Dr. Dave

[adamazin08]

you can see in slow motion it was actualy a push shot whilch means the cue hit the white ball twice which means foul which means two shots which means if ur playing a good person means you loose your game which means your stats in the lederboard goes down which means i dont get my player of the season trophy lol :)

[DrDaveBilliards]

@adamazin08

I think whether or not this is a "push" shot is debatable. But you bring up a good point: under super-slow-motion replay scrutiny, some shots that are called legal are actually fouls under a strict interpretation of the rules (e.g., most miscues and some jump and masse shots are fouls, even if they "look" legal).

Dr. Dave

[darkhymnjim]

I don't understand how can you be in a comfortable position to actualy do a masse-shot... Each time I try, I just never get the CB to do what I intend to... Besides, hands positions, Cue Stick elevation and Strengt/speed to use are unknown to me.. Is there any vid that you did who can give some advices on those problems?

[DrDaveBilliards]

@darkhymnjim:

Check out my NV B.88 video. Also, I have lots of good resources under "masse shot" in the FAQ section of my website (billiards DOT colostate DOT edu). Those should help also.

Good luck,

Dr. Dave

[GetMeThere1]

Hmm. Interesting to see the high speed view--the ball lifts off the table. I wonder if it's a physical fact that the ball MUST lift off (at least slightly) with ANY masse shot.

The vast majority of masse shots I've ever tried/needed were only to bend slightly around a ball that was partially blocking my path--I don't think those would generate lift. Maybe only those shots where the ball actually needs to stop and shift direction end up also lifting off.

[DrDaveBilliards]

@GetMeThere1 : I think most masse shots involve at least a small amount of CB hop; although, a soft masse might not leave the cloth very much. Also, if you jam the CB into the table, the CB might not hop ... but you won't get good masse action in this case.

Regards,

Dr. Dave

[crime943]

ok ill try that ..thx DrDave

[DrDaveBilliards]

Good. No theory is useful without practice.

BTW, under most conditions, you have to adjust the aim a little to over-curve the shot.

Good luck,

Dr. Dave

[crime943]

wats a better cue ?  a compsit, or solid core.... wat tips are better for masse , soft or hard

[DrDaveBilliards]

I think a softer tip with a stiffer (solid) cue is better.

[tximpressor]

i love the slow mo action to show the impact point...thanks this is a nice tip and shot

[DrDaveBilliards]

You're welcome. I'm glad you like it.

Dr. Dave

[Sturrmm]

Do you have a fish tank in your basement? I think i can hear an aerator. I have actually never seen anything on the Coriolis effect yet for masse, this will help a lot.

[DrDaveBilliards]

Until recently, I have always used the microphone built into my mini-DV camcorder. The sound you hear is the tape mechanism in the camera. I guess some parts are wearing out. I still use the same camera, but now I use a wireless mic to get the mic away from the noisy camera.

Coriolis was brilliant. He wrote a great book on billiards physics in the early 1800's.

Regards,

Dr. Dave

[KrisKustomPaint]

@DrDaveBilliards Didn't he write that book in prison?

[DrDaveBilliards]

You're thinking of Francois Mingaud, the guy credited with inventing the leather tip.

Coriolis was never in jail, as far as I know. He was too busy doing math and science (and he didn't upset the religious folks very much), so he didn't have much time or reason to get into any kind of trouble.

[punkrutherford]

@DrDaveBilliards i can masse and get a hit after about 3 ft. i cant masse at that angle yet, i am learning but i havent been able to spin back quick enough. I just wanted to know... how hard do i hit the cue to get the cue to spin back sooner than half a table away? Also how hard of a tip do i need? cuz i have 4 cue sticks but i dont know how hard the tip should be. I have also been trying to do jump shots and i was wondering what the perfect angle is for length and the angle for distance.

[naptic]

good stuff, could you do a super slow of a shot where the cue ball is only an inch or half away from obj ball to see if cue ball comes back and hits tip of cue, or cue goes with and pushes the obj ball, saw a guy call a watcher at a club game the other day

[DrDaveBilliards]

I have lots of videos related to double hit fouls under "fouls" in the FAQ section of my website (see the link in the video description in the top-right section of this page). Check them out.

Dr. Dave

[cfcues]

I wasn't 100% sure myself, just thinking out loud. Nice video all around.

[cfcues]

On the high speed part it looks like the ferrule hits the CB.

[DrDaveBilliards]

I think it is tough to tell, even with the super slow motion video. After viewing the sequence several times, I would guess the ferrule doesn't hit the CB (although it comes really close), or it hits with very little force.

Having said this, it is obvious that secondary contact from the ferrule is certainly possible, or even likely, with masse shots; although, no foul would be called because it is impossible to tell (sometimes, even with high speed video).

Regards,

Dr. Dave

[TheSuperSmashBrother]

Why is his cloth sticky!? O___O

[freezazoid]

I don't think he literally means sticky. Some cloth "hold" the ball more so to speak. Generally faster cloth is less "sticky" in my opinion... meaning when a ball spins against the cloth let's say in a draw shot, certain cloths are going to allow the ball to spin more before grabbing the ball and allowing it to draw back. (I'm assuming you know all of this and are just making fun of this guy for using the term sticky as applied to the felt.)

[jacoboellobo312]

"HOLY CRAP!" lol...but that was cool. how to do curve it so much

[DrDaveBilliards]

Lots of curve = Lots of cue speed and high cue elevation

A longer bridge length helps you get cue speed, while maintaining cue tip accuracy. A longer bridge allows you to accelerate the cue more smoothly over a larger distance. Also, brace your bridge hand against your body (and your body against the table) for solid support.

Dr. Dave

[Apocalypticafan1992]

wow kik ass

[MetallicAsian]

oooo, it's like when you spin a hoola hoop backwards while tossing it forward. It'll start to catch and roll back. Remember doing that in Kindergarten.

[HaCkAttaCk2001]

Great tutorial. It's nice you did not cut out the shots that went wrong!