Bruckner: Symphony No. 9 / Rattle · Berliner Philharmoniker

[iduefoscari]

Just one further comment. I will be lucky enough to be going to Berlin in February to see Simon Rattle and the Berlin Philharmonic in the completed 4 movement version of the Bruckner 9. Later in the month they will perform it in New York. I reiterate, listen to the sonorous chorale from the final movement ,which will now have a magnificent coda in D Major as Bruckner envisaged. The chorale in the last movement is a transposition from the " Thomas Tallis" similar music from the third movement.

[iduefoscari]

12axing Everybody has a a right to his own opinion.In time its possible that you may come to a different one in time. I have had no musical education, but for me it is the greatest symphony EVER composed.Mahler,Shostakovich,P­rokoviev and even Schoenberg were influenced by it.It is a 20th century symphony composed in the 19th.Holst based his "Mars" on it. Vaughan Williams his Thomas Tallis Fantasia opening. Check on Bruckner in Hollywood on You Tube and you may get a better understanding.

[12axing]

the ugliest symphonie ever composed. sounds like depression and suicide thoughts alltogether. why does my father make me listen this nightmare over and over again??

[smudgepots]

Dreadful!

[sirmattbelios]

@Demons1965 Don't forget Giulini!

[Demons1965]

@sirmattbelios agree completely. There is nothing in this Rattle performance to detain one. He should stick to those Mahler symphonies.

[gera1262]

did bruckner write opera? because this sounds like a opera. XD

[gera1262]

@gera1262 P.S I mean operatic interludes 

[anasconuto]

@gera1262 He didin't. But most of his works is influenced BY RICHARD WAGNER

I encourage you to listen TE DEUM wich is a choral piece..

[Strefanasha]

@gera1262 no he did not write opera. he did symphonies as religious works, and motets etc with speciifically relgious texts and the string quintet.

although inspired by wagner harmonies i hear that he had no interest in the slightest in wagners libretti. B was a man of the church not the theatre

[thetheatreofmadness]

This shows Rattle conducting at his worst. It is clear that he is incapable of conducting without a score and clearly doesn't know the piece well enough to do so.

[SpottyDorsord]

@thetheatreofmadness

You haven't made a single point to back up that assertion, and if it were so CLEAR why would it be worth mentioning?

[thetheatreofmadness]

@SpottyDorsord

Because nobody else has. You appear not to be aware that to frequently fundamentals are often overlooked, rather like Rattle's performance.

In terms of 'points' I didn't really consider it (a month ago) necessary to make any points, as this is only a website for videos, not heated debates, which are clearly brewing at SpottyDotty.

In terms of points here is one:

0.45 - terrible cue, after cellos entrance; all expression given after occurrence.

Don't bother to reply, dotty one.

[SpottyDorsord]

@thetheatreofmadness

It would would mean more to say Dotty Spotty, but the two little word plays suggest an endlessly inventive mind.

Your comment WAS a month ago, and it seems you think that there was something about May 2010 that excused an absence of reasoning. Perhaps it was "ad hominem month".

I am impressed by your pomposity though, it is overwhelming yet so well measured.

[SpottyDorsord]

@thetheatreofmadness

The cue was not ideally realised, but you can't declare it symptomatic of the 60+ minute performance, especially when given a three minute clip.

I'm sorry for bothering to reply against your generous advice.

Now, don't be hypocritical and reply to my cross-eyed and bellicose bait, Youtube Pilgrim.

[thetheatreofmadness]

@SpottyDorsord Bait?

Certainly, for you.

How old are you, out of interest?

As a teenager I feel the need to be a bitch about people and performances, god knows how old you are, but I feel as though you outgrown this fun.

For a start you accuse me of 'pomposity' - which I can't help but agree with - but then you the words 'ad hominem' and 'symptomatic' - a word rarely used to describe infectious 60 minute symphonies.

Who are you?

A latin scolar, doctor or just a complete idiot?

[thetheatreofmadness]

@SpottyDorsord

Ah, it SpottyDorsord - I misread it, which shows your incapability to comprehend with the rhythm of the English language and your general pretentiousness (yes, I am hypocritical and to hell with it.)

I assume that you thought your reply was wonderfully powerfully powerful, hence the Shakespearian, Britten-esque 'bellicose bait'. It was not.

And nor is this, because I can't bother to thing anything really powerful for some YouTube pedophile, who spends his time tickling boys...

[thetheatreofmadness]

@SpottyDorsord

...thirty years younger than him.

Whoever you are, Simon Rattle, go and conduct Asyla, learn a thousand new latin pompous phrase for your next reply, go and do some medicine and leave Bruckner alone.

Incidentally, I think that video is bloody good now, hence why I haven't criticised anything except you in this latest reply.

'Cross-eyed'... god knows what that means... Why are you so self referential?

'60+' - another example.

[SpottyDorsord]

@thetheatreofmadness

Dude! Your mind just exploded!

[happywandy457]

happywandy457@thetheatreofmadn­ess

How is it possible that guys put on this rubbish as a comment: Why is it that

music does no redime these people? It seems that their ego is poisoned

with frustration through life!!

[thetheatreofmadness]

@happywandy457 I don't understand.

[Majik47]

Heavenly.

[codonauta]

What movement of the 9 is this, the fourth? I`ve never heard that before. Is this the movement which Bruckner didn't finished?

[klemchang]

It's recapitulation of the second theme in the first movement.

[codonauta]

Yes, that's right.

[marcap1000]

listen again and again. you need much more listening....

[TheGanglo]

this is the first movement. bruckner finished this 1st and went on to finish the 2nd & 3rd movement. but the 4th was not finished.

[koolu99]

Will the now legendary performance of Maestro Celibidache leading the BPO in Bruckner's 7th, be ever officially released?

[BerlinPhil]

Good question. Presumably, Sony, as the owner of the audiovisual recording, and Celibidache's heirs would need to come to an agreement. But we have no information that there are discussions of that kind.

[IrisPursey]

@koolu99

Though not the (IMHO) definitive performance of this work (which I reserve for Wand) this is so much less mawkish than the version by Yannick Nézet-Séguin with the Orchestre Métropolitain du Grand Montréal which is so languid and full of unnecessary ritenuti that I would be shifting around in my seat if I were at the concert in person.

[singingisall]

@koolu99

Ive a cd-box with the symphony's 3-9 the te deum and the masses with celibidache and the munich philharmonic orchestra ;) but Günter Wand i think is also one of the greatest Bruckner conductors

[her0esfan]

Will this come out as a CD?

[BerlinPhil]

There are no plans for the time being.

[xaviqaz]

not DVD either?

[BerlinPhil]

Not yet. Let's see what we can do in the future...

[usnhorn]

i will gladly purchase the Digital Concert performances on DVD, if that gives any weight to your decision making!

[BerlinPhil]

Thank you very much. On our side (Berlin Phil's media production) the decision would be easy ("YES!!! let's do it!"), but there are several parties involved.

[GregHales]

@BerlinPhil Hopefully...it will work out that some of these can make it to DVD...maybe CD

[beccaria1764]

Es MUSS davon eine CD/DVD kommen! Wäre DIE perfekte "Nachfolge" zur großartigen 4., die endlich einmal neue Bahnen - um's mit Schumann über Brahms zu sagen - in Sachen Bruckner aufgezeigt hat!!!

[etiterum]

was ist denn so toll an der Vierten ? Ich bin immer interessiert an neuartigen Brucknerdeutungen.

[beccaria1764]

Also zum einen ist es m. E. die zZ wohl spieltechnisch beste Aufnahme. Die dynamische Bandbreite ist ohnegleichen. Und zum anderen war ich total begeistert von den agogischen Freiheiten, die oft bei Bruckner unterschlagen werden, auch bei sog Bruckner-Experten. V.a. ein blick in die 3. Fassung (nicht hier eingespielt, aber mit den genauesten Eintragungen von Br.) zeigt die gute Arbeit von Rattle.

[DDBconducts]

The only conductor that makes this, sound as something different than an impotent old man's attempt to satisfaction

[her0esfan]

Wow, this is beautiful. I also love Gunter Wand with the Berlin Phil in the Symphony 4, 7 and 8 - these are just beyond words, have a listen if you get a chance.

[revoltz7]

Absolutely stunning performance! Do you do requests? :P

[xaviqaz]

I would love to have the complete concert. Of course without paying ;-)

[BerlinPhil]

Understandable... We produce these recordings especially for online distribution (at impressive costs), so we need to make a little money with the complete performances on our video platform, the "Digital Concert Hall". We are, however, very happy to share these highlights with you on YouTube.

[Lonegan63]

Estupenda versión...Rattle no es bruckneriano, pero saca un buen partido de la sinfonía más grande del compositor austríaco. El timbalista es histórico.

[hornplayer84]

I love die Berliner!!!! I am so in the music they play!

[josejesus52]

Rattle and Bruckner were made for each other

[EttasFavourites]

Sir Simon Rattle always creates an extra dimension, above all others ..... for me this is what I experience as the Divinity of Music...