OCCUPY WALL STREET - THE REVOLUTION IS NOW (OR IS IT?)

[BLingDIok]

Can any one give me pros and cons for occupy wall street

[mds123able]

overthrow our currunt government, peaceful or violentely, and rewright our constitutions. Our political system is much too messed up for just simple reform to make things better. Democratic revolutionary change on a massive scale, more so then the one in New York, currentely, is neccisary for making lives better. The only way for us to win this long historic class warfare, is a burning of the old and wrighting of a new. This is a must for a more perfect union. The framers would not disagree.

[techjunkie92]

@mds123able Thanks for all of your comments; I have been busy, but will read them when I get the chance.

[mds123able]

I say peace. But as we keep going down the pits of fascism, all options of peaceful sorts may no longer be an option. That's all I'm saying. Basically, the police state, a characteristic of fascism, is a barrier to peaceful revolution, like with occupy wall st, and the police state becomes more extreme as fascism becomes more extreme. The police state must be delt with for any real change to occure. And since the seeds of fascism (corporations) are deep within the government, we must

[mds123able]

Of course with this you wont be able to protest anything like banks ripping us off and horrid U.S. Foriegn policy. As someone who wishes to be pascifist, this truely troubles me. I am one for peaceful revolution. But the way things are going, I can't help but think that things might have to get violent. I hope people can do more before that occurs. But, no real change will come untill we have a democratic government. Right now we are fare from that. So fare that maybe violence is the only way.

[mds123able]

just how bad the police state can really be. As the federal government militerizes the police, as they have been doing since the 1980's, to crack down on the poor, killing citizens, if needed, with no questioning, which has been going on since the 80's, denying innate and god given rights garanteed by our founders, then you will see that we truly will have reached what the founders didn't want our republic to become, a pure state corprate tyranny.

[mds123able]

As more people in this country lose their homes and jobs, more people will become poor and it'll be that much easier to imprisson those who are no longer needed. They will be seen, as the poor are already, as untouchables that need to be cleared off the streets. As more money, from states, is put into the expantion of the prison industrial complex, at the expense of the tax payer, with money to make from our imprisonment, you will see

[mds123able]

We must be willing to, literally, overthrow our government if that is our only option in this "occupy wall st revolution." Media likes to make such things seem crazy, but the decliration of independence authorizes, and demands, such actions by the people be taken. If you understand how the war on drugs evolved in the 1980's you would understand that, for the poor, mainly, right to self ownership and life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, were all thrown out with the bill of rights.

[mds123able]

The police state must be delt with. This means we must educate ourselves on what the founders would demand us to do if our right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, as well as our right to self ownership, all innate and god given rights we hold before governments, are violated by the government that is suppose to serve the people.

[mds123able]

So if you are protesting on roads and sidewalks, privately owned, then the police, also privately owned, can take you away at the command of corprate fascist, and make it seem normal and justifiable to the public overall, who are brainwashed, by media (cop shows and fear of terror), to think it's ok for people, looking threatening in the eyes of corprate media, to be arrested for disturbing the peace.

[mds123able]

The growing police state, a symptom of fascism, with the ongoing campain by both major parties to privatise everything that people benifit from and thus interact with (lately social security), will make it imposible to protest anything. As the middle class keeps on dying and more of the population becomes poor, fascism will be more a reality. In other words, if public side walks are no longer public, but private, then people can be arrested for occupying it.

[mds123able]

If we forget about what the founders thought was the enemy of freedom - tyranny - then yes we won't be able to protest. Since the late 1970's we have been moving down a road of corprate fascism (tyranny), where no one seems to have done a thing about it, and only now are people doing something about the shit that has effected their lives.

[mds123able]

I basically believe we need to stop normalizing this growing police state. There is much propaganda from cop tv shows, that make cops heros & portray the workings of the criminal justic system in an unrealistic manner, and propaganda from the war on terror, where we need to be molested to be safe, and anything contrary is insane. And not to forget about the propaganda from the mid 80's - 01, where the growing police state was justified in saving us from drugs, throwing out the bill of rights.

[mds123able]

I just wanted to say that, for one, I do hear where you're coming from, I do see what u r trying to articulate. And 2, I agree for the most part, if not the whole part.