Ahem...science supports itself. It doesn't support anything else but itself. It is a self correcting phenomenon. It does not support God and it does not support atheism but it has something in common with atheism which is skeptical inquiry.
also with religion as it talks about how everthing god made works.. der show how everthing works. not who made everthing. ders a big diffrince. the point everthing stops and der at lost in the bigbang.. wht came before that.. god something else. there do not know.... the best exaple i can giv is there has to allways be a crater to something. and god can not be crated cuzz hes outside the unviers thos outside of numbersy and matter...
You're entitled to your opinion. That's fine. It's just that I am suspending judgment until further evidence is presented to conclude that god exists. To say that there must have been a creator assumes the universe is created. It is an assumption. There's nothing that can support this as of yet.
sfe.. and same to you mate.. everone has a diffrint point for one an nother and we should respect it .. k but you see my point is anything outside the universe can not be made... god can not be made cuzz he himself is outside the universe thos outside numbersy and matter.. but something to be made shows der is someone there a smarter force. and the best example like the Quran says is all around us the way the world works.. thats all :)
We dont even know whether there is an outside to this universe at all, and it's a simple assumption to say something defined by the attributes that god posesses is existent and is outside this universe. If there is an outside, we can't just assume it was created by anything, let alone god.
naomi chambers allah created you yeah........., may he guide you, did a man make the world? super maryam 16 i totally agree, but may allah guide her to the straight path ameen.
i have come to the conclusion science is not the answer. it can explain how things work and thats it...it has NO actual answers for anything i was ever curious about as to why are we here, what is outside the universe and so on.
i dont give a crap about the planet saturn and its rings...big deal? what does that answer?
and if evolution was true why has that monkey i stole & put into city flats not "evolved" into city conditions? stupid!
"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?" Quran 21:30
"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?" Quran 21:30
@MovingClouds123 ou it doesnt make sense , but the creation of the universe by accident it makes sense ! ferrari and universe is a creation ,and to have a creation there must be a creator !
@baskuk the thing is all atheist agree that the universe can't come by nothing and they all came from one point but they refuse to acknowledge this creator is The God.
We don't know where it comes from, our brains demands of us to have a cause, but look at physics (and biology a tad) and you'll know why our understanding of reality shouldn't extend itself in quantum physics and M theory.
And even if it did, I can make up an infinity amount of theories that are just as plausible as god, and all of them natural theories, you just chose god out of convenience.
Furthermore extending that logic then god needs a causation.
you´d never guess the truth. just thinking it as options. what if the life is simply a virus in a test tube? in that case you´d think that there could be endless options as soon as the scientist get single copy of life.
To believe in multiple universes is just as metaphysical as believing in Angels. In other words, if you believe that there is another space and time, outside our space and time is not scientific and does not make sense. You might as well believe in heaven and hell, angels and demons, ghosts etc..
@thedawn7 Well as a matter of fact if you were to replace the cat in the Schrodinger's cat experiment with yourself you will find that your mind is unable to die! It just goes into a track of the multiverse where it stays alive. Which makes one wonder just exactly how this multiverse thing might tie into heaven and hell!
@skepticnyc My comment refers to what is agreed and stated by science itself which states that it is impossible, even in principal, to observe "another universe". So my question is: What does it mean to say that there exists something that you cannot observe even in principal?
i did not lecture u, that comment below was not even a reply to ur comment.
like i said earlier, i likewise say at will wat i want and so can u. i frankly dont like ur speech and i dont see the "reality " as u see it.
dont pity me coz its for the weak, haha i am not weak to any creature on this earth, this is ur illusion and note perception of reality differ amongst humanity in all walks of life so i am not the one whose victimized. u carry on worshiping ur ideals
They are gullible because they believe everything the Quran tells them. They are indoctrinated. They refuse to accept the possibility that there is no god.
They believe in Jinns, exorcisms, demonic possessions, and the evil eye. This things reflect gullibility
Naomi: MUSLIMS R GULLIBLE coz they BELIEVE IN EVERYTHING THE QUR'AN TELLS THEM!
Peace,
Then Ur beef is with da Qur'an! Not with Muslims, Ma'am! Have U read da Qur'an CAREFULLY? Q. 4:82? What does it say about 1. DA EVIL EYE 2. DEMONIC POSSESSION 3. EXORCISMS & 4. JINN?
Very simple. Islam is understood in a series of filters. Muslims are abused not only by what is written in the Quran, but you are abused by Hadiths, Sunna and how all of it affects what you value and how you see the world.
Muhammad said all that supernatural mumbo-jumbo is real. If you call Muhammad a liar you are an apostate.
And - check your keyboard. You are using all CAPS.
NAOMICHAMBERS: They are gullible because they believe everything the Quran tells them. They believe in Jinns, exorcisms, demonic possessions, and the evil eye.
Peace,
Naomi sez: "MUSLIMS R GULLIBLE coz they BELIEVE IN EVERYTHING THE QUR'AN TELLS THEM!". Then Ur beef is with da Qur'an! Not with Muslims, Ma'am! Have U read da Qur'an CAREFULLY? Q. 4:82? What does it say about 1. DA EVIL EYE 2. DEMONIC POSSESSION 3. EXORCISMS & 4. JINN?
You are telling me, that you have seriously considered the possiblity that Muhammad was mentally ill, splitting the moon is a nutty story, and all that mumbo jumbo in the Quran is mumbo jumbo?
So, you are also saying that with a well reasoned argument you are willing to be convinced...right now...at this very second?
This is very good news. I am happy to hear that you are open minded enough to consider the possibility that Islam, and all religions are wrong. It is always good news to hear that Muslims are willing to change their mind. I congratulate you.
how a mental man can organise such an ideaolgy, he certainly is not mental if one can do this.
i appreciate ur comment but u need to think before u paint a picture. yes i thought that he could be like that but how can he after all its a great way of life, now ur perception of islam i could say for certain is not mine
I did not understand what you meant. A person can do good things, evil things, great things, sick things. Are you willing to acknowledge that muhammad is both good and evil?
Every human being, including Muhammad, Jesus, Moses or any of the Prophets of God, were capable of good or bad things. They were human beings. However, since the Prophets were under the direct guidance of God, they were the best of all humans, in their actions.
Hello, well I have to say that I did like your comment. What I can say, is that of all those *prophets*, the only one that we know actually existed was Muhammad.
Personally, I do not believe in any prophets. I think Jesus is a recycled myth. To me, it is all mythology with little evidence to support any of it.
Muslims always win the debate because they have the truth no pagan christian would dear to challenge and debate an athiest. athiest are close to muslims because they are thinker unlike many other pagan. athiest are half muslims.
@NaomiChambers read the quran and read the tafaseer which explain the reason for each verse revealed and the situation it was revealed and you will understand but this your choice.
I have read the Quran several times. I have read hadiths and tafassers. The reason I have read all these things is because I am writing a book about Islam.
The reasons verses were written - by the men who wrote the Quran - is not relevant to me
What I care about is how Islam hurts Muslims around the word, and how Islamic world view keeps them in the past rather than looking towards a future.
@NaomiChambers "What I care about is how Islam hurts Muslims around the word, and how Islamic world view keeps them in the past rather than looking towards a future."
can you expand on this? specifically the reasons in how islam is hurting muslims around the world and why those reasons are found in religion only and not politics, society, history and the traditional culture of such people.
@NaomiChambers okay on the day of judgement =, we will se who is mentally ill. That man muhammed whom you say is mentally ill, brought a book and challeneges you to produce a chapter like it and with your knowledge of science and your technlogies, you have failed miserably. Who is actually the retard here? You atheists are the retard here...
@NaomiChambers oh dear, If God has been able to create us, verily, He will be able to raise the dead and surely, that day, people like you, you shall bite your fingers and will say "Had we known." May Allah guide you. I recommend that you read the Quran. And stop listening to such fake things. You can't tell me Everything in the world came out by accident. Think woman...Think and read the Qur'an and say "If there is really a God, then He should guide you and Insha Allah, He will guide you."
@NaomiChambers Oh God, please guide my sister naomi. Dear, i am telling you and I am warning you severly. On that day, you will tell God to send you back to earth so that you can start all over again but unfortunately, that day, Is the last day. You might have read the Bible (Old and New Testament) but I doubt that you have read the Qur'an. Go and read the Qur'an and I hope you realise the truth. Many were atheists but they are now muslims. Example Dr. Keithmore. Salam
But really, is there anything I can do to help you? Wasting a life on mumbo jumbo really makes me sad. If there is anything I can do to help you...feel free to let me know
@NaomiChambers I donot think you actually do read he Quran. And may Allah guide you. Please think and know the truth. He created you and He will be the one to raise you from the dead. He has power over all things.
@NaomiChambers okay.. But Whosoever Allah guides, no onoe can mislead him and whosoever Allah does not guide, No one can guide him. May He guide you. Ma'asalam. May the Peace and blessings of Almighty God be upon you.
also with religion as it talks about how everthing god made works.. der show how everthing works. not who made everthing. ders a big diffrince. the point everthing stops and der at lost in the bigbang.. wht came before that.. god something else. there do not know.... the best exaple i can giv is there has to allways be a crater to something. and god can not be crated cuzz hes outside the unviers thos outside of numbersy and matter...
@ubotxe you are really so dumb to compare Islam the perfect religion: islam its perfect in its doctrine social system, political, economic system. if you read the quran and the sunnah you will come to understand that Islam is very coherent unlike other false religion that constantly has to be modified once in a while. But islam is very flexible and it was made perfect to fit all times. YOu may not know enough about Islam u probabaly just heard the enemies who make blatant lies
im a muslim and the connation that word has, has diplayed ur view. But it means God is Great/est.
which then only glorifies GOD, so beware of what information u take in as once said
watch ur thoughts, they become words watch ur words , they become actions watch ur actions, they become habits watch ur habits, they become character watch ur character this becomes ur destiny
Wait a minute,so you're saying as a muslim you're only 50% sure Allah exists?That doesn't make sense. I'm a Christian and soundly believe in God 100%.
@PortVienna80 I am really shocked that you you changed what i said. is that ethical? to lie and say something i never said. manipulation and deception and lying is an evil act. I hope you understand what i mean. Thank you
"athiest are close to muslims because they are thinker unlike many other pagan. athiest are half muslims."
Those are your own words. The last sentence is illogical: atheists don't believe in ANY god at all,including yours,so how can they be half muslim? Will Dawkins be praying to Allah in a mosque any time soon? I don't think so.
...."and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly.".....
- Albert Einstein, Time magazine, 23rd December, 1940 p. 38
...."but, no, the universities immediately were silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom; but they, like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks.
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Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitlers campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection".......
Here is a quote from Einstein, a secular Jew who was fully aware of what was happening in Germany. Einstein was a Deist, and not a Theists so he was unbiased in his comment, after this you'll look like an idiot with you're unssuported hypothesis, Pseudo-education, and conspiracy theories:
"Being a lover of freedom, when the revolution came in Germany, I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth".....
"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." -Adolf Hitler
Hitler believed Science would prove Christianity wrong, funny thing is that real scientist like Planck, Heisenberg, and Schrodiinger embraced Christianity. Albert Einstein himself supported the Church, Hitler is a dumbass.
We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith(christianity). We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out. -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933
The funny thing is that that was in 1933, my quote was from 1941 where he received full power. During the 30's we was rising in power and needed support from Christianity. By the way I would join Hitler to fight Atheism, Hitler was nothing compared to Stalin and Mao, stalin and mao were alot worse than Hitler. Hitler also killed Jews, while Jesus was a jew, and he killed other Christians 44 million Christians and 6 million Jews, tell me if that sounds christian?
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, Gods truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. Adolf Hitler 1942
"In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders." Adolf Hitler 1942
I agree Hitler used religion to gain power, but in reality he hated Christianity. Einstein disliked the Church, but after fidning out what the Church did against Hitler (Protestant church), Eisntein supported the Church. I have a quote were he says this, I'll have to find it.
Hitler was not religious in the normal sense, but he mentions god in mein kampf repeatedly. He also introduced the united German church. Church and state became merged. It was anti democratic, dogmatic and left people with no way of opposing, even out of conscience. Hitler destroyed the unions then used religion to cement his power and authority, it legitimized him in his war against the 'atheist' left. this is often given as a reason why the USA and others funded him.
"it legitimized him in his war against the 'atheist' left. this is often given as a reason why the USA and others funded him"
WHAT?!?! His pagan religion and the support gained from social darwisnism a product of evolutionary theory was what led him to power, and he oppossed Atheists because worser mass murderers like Stalin and Mao Zedong were horrible rulers.
Who in the hell told you USA supported Germany? You're mentally retarted.
"The Nazis invented the Intelligent Design, 'orchard of life' model"
The nazis weren't Christians, they were against Christianity, and they believed in evolution. Hitler himself thought his movement was supported by evolutionary theory, I don't know what conspiracy bullshit you're talking about. Just because you make a radical claim doesn't mean it's true, they didn't invent ID you delusional moron, you really are delusional.
And the funding of Nazi Germany was openly from the west, not a secret. Germany was the most industrialized nation at the time, when the economy collapsed, Hitler gave capitalists something to invest in.
He got rid of taxes, broke the left and unions, first thing he did was destroyed a worker's model village.
He got rid of welfare and 'humanely' killed people 'so they would not starve'.
The west invested in huge amounts in the anti communist league of Germany, Italy and Japan.
Hitler was not a Pagan, he stated his intense dislike of such things. He even needed to be talked into not banning Orf. He did revive german culture which had pagan roots, but this was a sideline. He was branded a Pagan by war time propaganda, this was then later picked up on by fiction writers such as Lovecraft. It suits many to think of him in this way, but it makes no sense, Germans were mostly Protestant not pagan, and Hitler was a populist. He appealed to all kinds of pride.
No, there were many people before Luther that were anti-semitic, a historical failure there.
How could the crystal night be Christian appeasement if Christianity goes against violence and Jesus himself was a Jew?
You created your own ad hominem by saying I'm nonsensical? Also that claim has no grounds, I'm using reason and asking a rational question. How could anti-semitism be inspired by Christianity, when the founder Christiany was semitic!
The reason Europe is so atheistic and secular today, is precisely because the churches joined the Nazis, there were priests running concentration camps in some places, nuns who ran forced breeding centres, Protestants came knocking at doors looking for Jews to make places Christian.
It was not what fascism was about completely, but it was Christian. The unworthy burn in Hell remember.
Today nobody who had experience of the Nazis has anything to do with your nasty religion.
You have no proof that it was Nazism that caused Atheism today, and Atheism is not the same as Secualrism, thanks for being a dumbass and making that mistake.
So you're telling me that people stop being Christian because priests contradicted their faith? Then, in other words, you called Europeans a whole bunch of dumbasses without brains?
You're a delusional moron, and you'll be laughed at by scholars, dude you made me laugh my ass off.
Read 'On Jews and their lies' it is a free on the web if you look for it. It is about the most nasty anti semitic work around. by Luther. He wrote to all the princes of Germany arguing for them to kill Jews. His letters were even more damning than his books. Goebbels; "Through his [Luther's] acts and his spiritual attitude, he began the fight which we will wage today"
Luther's work was present at Nazi meetings. He is the most quoted person in Nazi propaganda books.
in order to believe in god you need faith(technically lets not be stupid) but listen if i came and slapped you in the face you would of had faith that i hit you and you felt pain? but if i asked you to show me that pain you felt in a form could you show me? but yet you had faith that i hit you and that you felt pain.
When someone believes strongly in something that is totally contradicted by sound evidence, they are exhibiting delusional behaviour. Escaping this disorder is not easy. It is largely based on the level of conviction in the delusion and the openness someone has to listen to contradictive evidence to their delusion. The guy with the hat is real deep in his delusion. His attempt to show the Koran being scientific was a total fail.
Funny thing about religious people they all come up with convoluted argumens about the existence of God, YET, they never give one tiny bit of evidence!!
I say to all you muslims out there, I'll convert to islam is you give me one bit of evidence of this allah guy! Please show me a photo or video of this guy!
If this allah lives he is the most evil and perverted god ever! Where has this allah been during all the horrorable events that have befallen mankind?
Wow u r funny, u wana see God with ur own eyes when u can't even stare at the sun. U guys r really funny to think that everything came from NOTHING lol. Knowing u atheists n how u think, if u came across a cellphone a 1,000 yrs ago u and every atheist will come to the conclusion that the cellphone came from nothing, n call it the SMALL PUFF THEORY LOL.
First of all no one can give u physical proof of GOD. We muslims belief that the Quran is the word of God, but we don't know what he looks like or anything like that.
Now since ur asking for a physical proof of Allah, I'm asking u for a physical scientific proof of ur THOUGHTS.
You stated that allah is like the sun and that I couldn't see him! So is allah the sun or one of the suns in the universe?
Please go to school and get an education! I'm tired of such childish and silly questions. Today doctors can scan the brain and determine what portion of the brain is being used! Which by the way, is physical proof, scientific proof of our ability to think and have thoughts!
Lol did u just ask for a picture or video? Lol pathetic and really sad to see people like you ask for evidence of God because then it would be easy and all wold be on the right path. and btw humans were given the right to make choices and the biggest mass murderers of all time were athiest u morons;)
So you admit that there is no scientific evidence for your so called god allah!!
So why would your god be so evil as to not provide evidence that he exists? If what you just said is true, I doubt it, then what kind of evil and perverted god lets his creation die and burn in hell bc he didn't give evidence of his existence?
Actually, the biggest kills have muslims! The geneocide of Black Africans, Armenian genocide, Jewish genocides and many more all in the name of allah!
The Inquisition which lasted for 60 Years was carried out by the Roman Catholic Church and resulted in the deaths of an estimated 7 Million to 12 Million Muslims, Jews and Non-Catholic Christians.
The AIDS Virus invented in the labs of the U.S. and spread through the African population via Small Pox Vaccines. After these supposed Vaccines were administered, AIDS growth in Africa grew exponensially.
The Crusades lead to easily the deaths of 200k to 500k carried out by the Pope and Kings.
Man you are a nutjob! HIstorically there was only 3 to 4 thousand people killed during the inquisition by the religious!!
AIDS came from Africa you asshole! We have today tissue samples from Africans that had AIDS from the 1920's!! Interestingly AIDS sprung up around the areas where these samples were taken!!
The crusades were started by the muslims!! What kind of distortion and disengenuous statements, if not outright lies, you are making!
Go read a book and not some Nut Job Athiest site for once. How did the Muslims start the Crusafes you Nut Job... It was originally brought by Pope Urban II and suggested by a Byzantinian Emporer named Alexius I in 1095 AD to start a "Holy War" against the MUSLIMS.
Once again selective history and revisionism by muslim hypocrites!
Yes! Christians attacked the muslim but why? You guys never mention that do you? The Pope wrote a letter to the religious leaders of Islam asking them to please stop the attacks on Christian pilgrams going to the holy sites in Israel! What was the response? muslim clerics had nuns raped and sold off as prostitutes and priests were castrated!! Oh! I'm sorry muslims teach that the nuns and priests did this to themselves, right?
Why else do you think that they attacked... What does the Land of Palestine have that most other lands don't... it is a great trading route for many empires and nations. It they came there for religious purposes, they would of never massacred the Muslims in the Hundreds of thousands. Sick and vile Europeans who came there not to fight for the Sake of God but to cut all traces of Muslims in the 3rd Holiest City of Islam and now its happening again with the War on "Terror", another war on Islam.
They attacked and killed muslims only after the Pope wrote a letter to the calif asking him to stop the attacks on pilgrams going to the holy sites in Israel! What did the muslims do? They castrated priests and raped nuns who were sold off as prostitutes!
You filthy muslims got just what you had coming to you! Today it repeats again and again! You are getting just what you have coming to you, in fact, if it were up to me we would nuke mecca and medina!!
Yeah, well, it ain't ever going to happen and as long as there are Atheists like you with Mediocre arguments and stupid comments, the U.S. will continue to be known as a Nation of Numb-Skulls and by the way... where is this "letter" that you speak of, when was it sent to and to which Caliph...
Excuse me Atheists are the ones that have proven your koran and bible as being no more than myths, fables and legends!
Just think about this for a moment. If there is a god why would he use a man, in your religion, a child molester, rapist and thief to spread his true religion? Why not come out and just hand mankind his manual on religion?
Have you ever seen this allah? Have you ever heard this allah? Do you have a photo of this allah? Don't feel bad no religionist has a photo of their god
First of all with the korans that have been discovered in the ME we can see that the koran was written over a long period of time! When the German scientists began to reveal the errors and mistakes in the koran they were threatened with death! The government sealed the korans away and there is a fear that they are burning the korans! So once again muslim destroy anything that they fear!!
Firstly it was written over a period of time that is right. It revealed to Muhammed(PBUH) from Allah throughout his Prophethood. The smoking that reveals this is in these verses: (23:12-14)
(23:12) - Man We did create from a quintessence (of clay).
(23:13) - Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed.
(23:14) - Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!
The verses 13 and 14 clearly state the known facts about Embryology and how the embryo inside the uterus(the "place of rest - firmly fixed") develops into a fetus.
For Muhammed to have known this, he would had to have an Electronic Microscope capable of detecting the Embryo inside the Uterus. Since h3 did not have this at his disposal, it would make sense to believe that he could not have known about any form of Embryology. Plus considering that he lived among Arabs who thought the World was Flat and that he was Illiterate, it makes it even less like he could have known the details about Fetal Development. This proves the Qu'ran is a Revelation from God.
This is the most ridiculous and disengenuous statement I have ever read!
Please do cite to me every verse in the koran that speaks of the egg and sperm!
You know very well that this knowledge was known long before mohammed was around! History is full of accounts of soldiers cutting open women during war looking for jewels and god! Are you really going to say that they didn't notice the early stages of life?
So Rome knew about the exact workings of how a fetus develops... Your nuts. Even scientists(such Dr. Keith L. Moore) have admited that this information only known about in the past 30-50 Years that was revealed to Muhammed was from God and could never have been by man. Plus Muhammed being Illiterate and unable to right or read, I would of highly doubted he would of known the development of a Fetus.
Oh please!!! Why are muslims so dishonest and liars?
Please go back and read what I wrote you asshole!!
But do us all a favor and give us the exact quotations in the koran that prove that mohammed did know the, "workings of how a fetus develops!"
I would love to read where the koran states that an egg from a woman and the sperm from the man start the whole process going! Please provide us with the verses that talk about DNA!
I've given you the Chapter(Sura) and the Verse Numbers(Ayat). Plus, I never said theat Muhammed knew the workings of a fetus you imbecile. I said that it was revealed to him by God. There is no way he would of been able to know this. No one knew about this at AD 620.
It is funny how you say that the universe is fine tuned and therefore there is a tuner.
Who tuned the tuner himself?? What explanation do you have?? "Oh he is just the Supreme Being that we humans cannot explain..." That is illogical and not even debatable.
You are explaining the mystery of existence with a bigger mystery. What you are really saying is that you know nothing.
We are created therefore we have a creator, it is nonsensical question to say who created God because by definition God is an uncreated being. If I mix different colour paint in a bucket and throw it at the wall would I get the monoleesa? I would not get one even if I threw it at the wall a trillion times, the chances of me getting one the first time is equal to chances of me getting one the last time which is zero.
By saying God is an uncreate being you are putting limits to your brain. You are misunderstanding the word " possibilities ". You can not expect something to turn to a pre defined shape after a million try because it will not. If you throw a paint bucket at a wall it will create something that is not pre determined. It will create a new mixture of colours. So after millions of years of tries we became what we are. If the big bang happens again perhaps we wouldn't exist at all.
Even if we were to assume that God did have a creator, let's call the God who created us G1 and the God who created our God(i.eG1) G2 and the God who created G2, G3 and so on. As an atheist you would have to conclude that this went on to infinity, but by saying that you are saying that it took an infinite number of Gods to reach where we are now, but if it took an infinte number of Gods to reach us then this means we would never be here, this leads to the conclusion that God had to be uncreated.
regardless of how many Gods there is. According to islam it did actually take an infinite amount of time to create humans because God is an infinite being right? Then he changed his mind and decided to us (which demolishes the claim that God is infinite and unchanging).
Maybe we exist because of an alien experement, maybe there is actualy a God. But definitely there is no proof of its a existence. We have more than 1000 ideologies on earth, which one of them is correct about their Gods?
I dont really think you have understood my argument. In your previous comment you baisically said if we are created by God then who created God? God cannot be created because it would go against basic logic. There had to be an intelligent already existing eternal being from which all life originated, if you want to assume that somebody had to have created God then you are saying we would never be here.
Show me where it says it took an infinite amount of time to create humans in Islam. Anyway if took an infinite amount of time to make something the thing would never come into existance. Just in case you dont understand what infinity means, it means "without end"
You said " As an atheist you would have to conclude that this went on to infinity" and According to islam God existed for an infinite time and will continue to exist for infinity as well. Do you dare to say that God had a start and he will have an end?
In all religions, God is unchanging and infinite ,he existed when we didn't exist. Then he decided to make us humans so God changed his mind just like humans change their minds therefore he is no longer a god.
Sorry I meant to say that if one God created another than it would mean that it took an infinite amount of Gods (not time since time didn't even exist before the universe was created) before our God was created. The following equation explains it, Our God + infinite number of Gods= we would never be here. We dont say God is infinite , we say he is eternal which means he has no beggining nor end, this means he is "timeless", not bound by time.
Multiverse is not a propper theory in the first place.
It's only there to fill in the gap. There is no evidence or even a clue to suggest it, other than it is the only sollution science can come up with at the moment.
Using it in philosophical debate while knowing nothing supports it dishonest.
In the entire dabate, Atkins did not state what he believed and stuck with it. like he talked about the "stabbing in the back" for fear of being stabbed in the back. to me that is at minimum a concept of karma that comes from RELIGION!!!
Another thing which you all might find interesting.
At 1:26, Atkins says "the ability to reflect on our actions which no other organism is capable of".
Don't you think that statement is somewhat strange? I mean if you believe as he does that the universe came into existence purely through thermodynamics, and life purely came into existence through evolution. Wouldn't that be an outrageous statement? Surely it's highly likely that there are similar organisms in the vast universe.
Whoa this Atheist is very dangerous. He actually said "Why" doesn't exist. Why is the most important question because it is the question that motivates all reflection, and introspection. Without it you can't have the morality he claims you can achieve with science.
"How" doesn't tell you "why" you shouldn't kill your children. It just tells you "how" to kill them and "how" not to kill them.
If we went down his path you'd see a complete deconstruction of society and human existence.
That what I exactly thought. He is self contradictive. I think he even don't understand that what he is saying is contradictory and non Logic. He just stand out for his commitment of being Atheist as Shabir Ally said. THis is being stubborn and not open minded. He is debating against Islam without even knowing anything about Islam or the Quran. That's called ignorance!!
How we arrived at our morality through gradual evolution does explain why we do not kill our children. It is true that you can say 'Why shouldn't I kill my kid if there is no consequence?' but this does not change your natural instinct. These are all natural biological perceptions that can't be altered with questioning. Morals like all human biology is not a result of religion. We do not walk because of religion nor do we eat because of religion. We do not have morals because of religion.
Islam tells us: God created us all Muslims by nature, submitting to His Will.Only human being evolved to be crooked,corrupt, greedy..That's when religion comes to play the role of directing and guiding human beings and put a limit to this.The only problem that all other Abrahamic religions grew to be modified and corrupted by human being himself so the scripture (guide book and manual) for human beings hs being altered and ceased to be completely divine except for the Quran (the ultimate guide).
Only humans have evolved to be "greedy, Corrupt, Crooked"? I would like to see the research done on this subject because it sounds fabricated and rashly writen.
Have you read 'The Selfish Gene' by Richard Dawkins? This gives a better picture of how morality functions from a genetic point of view.
I would agree that for many the Qur'an is seemingly a guiding force. However, the Qur'an is not the reason they do good moral actions, there is a more biological reason for this want to be moral.
Falsifiability is a good way of determining which of your beliefs can be shown as false through experiment and testing and which are simply untestable claims.
For ex: "God created us all Muslim by natue"
"God created.." is an untestable claim, which one can rest this claim on the side and be agnostic about it. Which leads us to "(we are) all Muslim by nature" well, how can I determine if a we are all muslims including non-muslims? And what is the natural biological gene that makes us muslim?
If you can't prove something scientifically doesn't mean that it's false especially when it comes to faith. Muslim means literally someone who submits his will to God.We now define Muslims as certain people from certain areas who pray toward Mecca but Muslims is much broader than this. When I mean that God created us all Muslims I mean that God created us with inner belive in him and submiting to him. Not just Human beings but all nature including animals.This facts is faith based not scientific
If something is not falsifiable, therefore there is no way of really testing the claim. To suggest that something is faith based and not scientific is very similar to suggesting that something is fantasy and not nonfiction. The problem here is that you are making scientific claims,
"God created us with inner belief in him"
This is actualy a scientific claim and there is no evidence for it. You cannot make a scientific claim and try and pass it off as a faith based claim, that is dishonest.
I didn't say that my claim is not scientific.I meant to say that for me it's faith based and I don't need scientific evidence for it to believe.There might be scientific testing but I don't care to find out,I'm a believer anyway.I believe in God and in judgment afterwards, you don't, so why do you care? Just leave us alone and do yout things. Why looking at religious things if you don't belive in them? This only means that you have doubts or you want all peole to be like you so you feel better.
To make a claim about the real world such as "God created us all muslim by nature" is a claim that infringes on science overtly. Expect your claims to be challenged when they hold no evidence.
The reason I care is a simple answer. Because religious bigots wish to impose their beliefs into the public sphere. In the UK and Canada there have been attempts to force Sha'aria law into the system. This is why I oppose religions, BECAUSE they are not satisfied until everyone believes what they believe.
But like that you are doing the same thing they are doing. You are imposing your believes.I don't care whether someone else's becomea Muslim or not even though this might make me happy.The real sharia tell Muslims to obey the law of the country they live in. Therefore if Muslims in Canada want to change the law there and they are minority, then this is against the teachings of Islam. Don't judge Islam by the doing of some extremists.I'm not one of those by the way, I'm a real Muslim :)
If you wish to call secularism a belief, then I am impossing this belief. However, it functions as a system that does not deny people their own beliefs, but it does deny people the ability to impose and force their faith based beliefs on others. This is a GOOD thing!
Even if Muslims were a majority in Canada, how does this give them the right to impose and force their doctrine on to others who do not share their belief?
Ahem...science supports itself. It doesn't support anything else but itself. It is a self correcting phenomenon. It does not support God and it does not support atheism but it has something in common with atheism which is skeptical inquiry.
TomPark1986 7 months ago
@TomPark1986
also with religion as it talks about how everthing god made works.. der show how everthing works. not who made everthing. ders a big diffrince. the point everthing stops and der at lost in the bigbang.. wht came before that.. god something else. there do not know.... the best exaple i can giv is there has to allways be a crater to something. and god can not be crated cuzz hes outside the unviers thos outside of numbersy and matter...
rudeboywaz 4 months ago
@rudeboywaz
You're entitled to your opinion. That's fine. It's just that I am suspending judgment until further evidence is presented to conclude that god exists. To say that there must have been a creator assumes the universe is created. It is an assumption. There's nothing that can support this as of yet.
TomPark1986 4 months ago
@TomPark1986
sfe.. and same to you mate.. everone has a diffrint point for one an nother and we should respect it .. k but you see my point is anything outside the universe can not be made... god can not be made cuzz he himself is outside the universe thos outside numbersy and matter.. but something to be made shows der is someone there a smarter force. and the best example like the Quran says is all around us the way the world works.. thats all :)
rudeboywaz 4 months ago
@rudeboywaz
We dont even know whether there is an outside to this universe at all, and it's a simple assumption to say something defined by the attributes that god posesses is existent and is outside this universe. If there is an outside, we can't just assume it was created by anything, let alone god.
TomPark1986 4 months ago
naomi chambers allah created you yeah........., may he guide you, did a man make the world? super maryam 16 i totally agree, but may allah guide her to the straight path ameen.
abbas7944 1 year ago
i have come to the conclusion science is not the answer. it can explain how things work and thats it...it has NO actual answers for anything i was ever curious about as to why are we here, what is outside the universe and so on.
i dont give a crap about the planet saturn and its rings...big deal? what does that answer?
and if evolution was true why has that monkey i stole & put into city flats not "evolved" into city conditions? stupid!
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"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?" Quran 21:30
ByChoiceMuslim 1 year ago
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"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?" Quran 21:30
ByChoiceMuslim 1 year ago
We can't rule out of some ferrary prototype to be created by accident !
baskuk 1 year ago
@baskuk that makes no sense what so ever. In fact if I think you are crazy and belongs in a mental health institute for believing in such nonsense.
MovingClouds123 1 year ago
@MovingClouds123 ou it doesnt make sense , but the creation of the universe by accident it makes sense ! ferrari and universe is a creation ,and to have a creation there must be a creator !
baskuk 1 year ago
@baskuk the thing is all atheist agree that the universe can't come by nothing and they all came from one point but they refuse to acknowledge this creator is The God.
MovingClouds123 1 year ago
@MovingClouds123 i'm not an atheist !
baskuk 1 year ago
@baskuk I'm not referring to you, I'm referring to an atheist who sent me a weird message which I'll send it to you so you can read how weird it is.
MovingClouds123 1 year ago
@MovingClouds123
We don't know where it comes from, our brains demands of us to have a cause, but look at physics (and biology a tad) and you'll know why our understanding of reality shouldn't extend itself in quantum physics and M theory.
And even if it did, I can make up an infinity amount of theories that are just as plausible as god, and all of them natural theories, you just chose god out of convenience.
Furthermore extending that logic then god needs a causation.
flyingturtle22 1 year ago
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A Very Unusual Proof for the Existence of God: watch?v=Kj8UdHuP5l8
Taking the burden of proof head on:
1.) The quantum wave-function of the universe is self-collapsing.
2.) Self-collapsing wave-functions are minds. (Penrose's Orch-OR)
Conclusion: The Wave-function of the Universe is a Mind!
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
you´d never guess the truth. just thinking it as options. what if the life is simply a virus in a test tube? in that case you´d think that there could be endless options as soon as the scientist get single copy of life.
XXLink 1 year ago
To believe in multiple universes is just as metaphysical as believing in Angels. In other words, if you believe that there is another space and time, outside our space and time is not scientific and does not make sense. You might as well believe in heaven and hell, angels and demons, ghosts etc..
thedawn7 1 year ago 2
@thedawn7 Well as a matter of fact if you were to replace the cat in the Schrodinger's cat experiment with yourself you will find that your mind is unable to die! It just goes into a track of the multiverse where it stays alive. Which makes one wonder just exactly how this multiverse thing might tie into heaven and hell!
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
@thedawn7
I believe Mathematics has led us to more truth than any religion.
Although the mutliverse stipulation is highly mathematical, I think it is an error to equivocate it with a metaphysical claim such as God.
skepticnyc 1 year ago
@skepticnyc My comment refers to what is agreed and stated by science itself which states that it is impossible, even in principal, to observe "another universe". So my question is: What does it mean to say that there exists something that you cannot observe even in principal?
thedawn7 1 year ago
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2thetruthback 1 year ago
excuses after excuse,
i did not lecture u, that comment below was not even a reply to ur comment.
like i said earlier, i likewise say at will wat i want and so can u. i frankly dont like ur speech and i dont see the "reality " as u see it.
dont pity me coz its for the weak, haha i am not weak to any creature on this earth, this is ur illusion and note perception of reality differ amongst humanity in all walks of life so i am not the one whose victimized. u carry on worshiping ur ideals
ah05075 1 year ago
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Cabdimadoobeh 1 year ago
Beleiving that the UNIVERSE JUST TUMBLED INTO EXISTENCE BY ACCIDENT is more STUPID than belief in GOD.
Garabsare 1 year ago
@Garabsare
I am an atheist, and I do not believe the universe was accidental.
I simply do not know.... and I dont care.
But I do know that people who believe Allah-diddit are gullible
NaomiChambers 1 year ago
NAOMICHAMBERS:
1. I'M AN ATHEIST, & I DON'T BELIEVE DA UNIVERSE WAS ACCIDENTAL. 2. I SIMPLY DON'T KNOW & I DON'T CARE. 3. BUT I DO KNOW THAT MUSLIMS ARE GULLIBLE
Peace Naomi,
How do U know that Muslims are GULLIBLE?
Garabsare 1 year ago
@Garabsare
They are gullible because they believe everything the Quran tells them. They are indoctrinated. They refuse to accept the possibility that there is no god.
They believe in Jinns, exorcisms, demonic possessions, and the evil eye. This things reflect gullibility
NaomiChambers 1 year ago
Naomi: MUSLIMS R GULLIBLE coz they BELIEVE IN EVERYTHING THE QUR'AN TELLS THEM!
Peace,
Then Ur beef is with da Qur'an! Not with Muslims, Ma'am! Have U read da Qur'an CAREFULLY? Q. 4:82? What does it say about 1. DA EVIL EYE 2. DEMONIC POSSESSION 3. EXORCISMS & 4. JINN?
Garabsare 1 year ago
Naomi:
MUSLIMS R GULLIBLE coz they BELIEVE IN EVERYTHING THE QUR'AN TELLS THEM!
Peace,
Then Ur beef is with da Qur'an! Not with Muslims, Ma'am! HAVE U READ da QUR'AN CAREFULLY? VERSE 4:82?
What does THE QUR'AN say about 1. DA EVIL EYE 2. DEMONIC POSSESSION 3. EXORCISMS & 4. JINN?
U HAVEN'T ANSWERED ME QUESTION! I'M WAITING!
Garabsare 1 year ago
@Garabsare
Why are you writing in all caps? Is there something wrong with your computer?
NaomiChambers 1 year ago
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NAOMI: MUSLIMS R GULLIBLE coz they BELIEVE IN EVERYTHING THE QUR'AN TELLS THEM!
Garabsare: Then Ur beef is with da Qur'an! Not with Muslims, Ma'am! HAVE U READ da QUR'AN CAREFULLY? VERSE 4:82?
What does THE QUR'AN say about 1. DA EVIL EYE 2. DEMONIC POSSESSION 3. EXORCISMS & 4. JINN?
NAOMI: Why are you writing in all caps?
Garabsare: U R evading my question, Ma'am
Garabsare 1 year ago
@Garabsare
Very simple. Islam is understood in a series of filters. Muslims are abused not only by what is written in the Quran, but you are abused by Hadiths, Sunna and how all of it affects what you value and how you see the world.
Muhammad said all that supernatural mumbo-jumbo is real. If you call Muhammad a liar you are an apostate.
And - check your keyboard. You are using all CAPS.
NaomiChambers 1 year ago
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NAOMICHAMBERS: They are gullible because they believe everything the Quran tells them. They believe in Jinns, exorcisms, demonic possessions, and the evil eye.
Peace,
Naomi sez: "MUSLIMS R GULLIBLE coz they BELIEVE IN EVERYTHING THE QUR'AN TELLS THEM!". Then Ur beef is with da Qur'an! Not with Muslims, Ma'am! Have U read da Qur'an CAREFULLY? Q. 4:82? What does it say about 1. DA EVIL EYE 2. DEMONIC POSSESSION 3. EXORCISMS & 4. JINN?
U HAVEN'T ANSWERED ME QUESTION! I'M WAITING!
Garabsare 1 year ago
wrong im a muslim, and i did think of the possibility of no god, even y is their an inclination in people to accept or refuse the presence of god,
so ur generalistion is far fetched
ah05075 1 year ago
@ah05075
You are telling me, that you have seriously considered the possiblity that Muhammad was mentally ill, splitting the moon is a nutty story, and all that mumbo jumbo in the Quran is mumbo jumbo?
So, you are also saying that with a well reasoned argument you are willing to be convinced...right now...at this very second?
NaomiChambers 1 year ago
@ah05057
This is very good news. I am happy to hear that you are open minded enough to consider the possibility that Islam, and all religions are wrong. It is always good news to hear that Muslims are willing to change their mind. I congratulate you.
NaomiChambers 1 year ago
how a mental man can organise such an ideaolgy, he certainly is not mental if one can do this.
i appreciate ur comment but u need to think before u paint a picture. yes i thought that he could be like that but how can he after all its a great way of life, now ur perception of islam i could say for certain is not mine
ah05075 1 year ago
@ah05075
"how can he after all its a great way of life"
I did not understand what you meant. A person can do good things, evil things, great things, sick things. Are you willing to acknowledge that muhammad is both good and evil?
NaomiChambers 1 year ago
@NaomiChambers
Every human being, including Muhammad, Jesus, Moses or any of the Prophets of God, were capable of good or bad things. They were human beings. However, since the Prophets were under the direct guidance of God, they were the best of all humans, in their actions.
Propaine187 1 year ago
@Propaine187
Hello, well I have to say that I did like your comment. What I can say, is that of all those *prophets*, the only one that we know actually existed was Muhammad.
Personally, I do not believe in any prophets. I think Jesus is a recycled myth. To me, it is all mythology with little evidence to support any of it.
XXXOOO
Naomi
NaomiChambers 1 year ago
@NaomiChambers Same with any other human beings.
MovingClouds123 1 year ago
Science may not be "the answer"(although I suspect it may well be), BUT I sure as HELL know(for me) that religion is NOT the answer!
99minerkc 2 years ago
Atheist man thinks that through science and evolution he will ultimately become like God himself! Absolute power corrupts...
PortVienna80 2 years ago
@PortVienna80
that is not true.
I am an atheist, and I have no desire to be a god.
NaomiChambers 1 year ago
Thank God for that:).
PortVienna80 1 year ago
Muslims always win the debate because they have the truth no pagan christian would dear to challenge and debate an athiest. athiest are close to muslims because they are thinker unlike many other pagan. athiest are half muslims.
sadiq5519 2 years ago
Saying that Muslims always win a debate... is not proof that they always win a debate.
It is impossible for any person to Always win a debate
And saying Islam has truth is not proof
I am an atheist and not half muslim - I think Muhammad was mentally ill
NaomiChambers 2 years ago
well for proof why not watch debates involving muslims and you will see they never lose.
also as an athiest you are half muslim because you have said half of our creed " there is no god" now all you have to do is say the other half.
nbastar187187 1 year ago
@nbastar187187
They do not ALWAYS win debates - that is ridiculous. Everyone loses debates
EstherWigginsLyles 1 year ago
@nbastar187187
Muslims always lose.
They think that they win debates using eloquent language, logical verbosity, and humor. They think they win because they are delusional
NaomiChambers 1 year ago
@NaomiChambers read the quran and read the tafaseer which explain the reason for each verse revealed and the situation it was revealed and you will understand but this your choice.
sadiq5519 1 year ago
@sadiq5519
I have read the Quran several times. I have read hadiths and tafassers. The reason I have read all these things is because I am writing a book about Islam.
The reasons verses were written - by the men who wrote the Quran - is not relevant to me
What I care about is how Islam hurts Muslims around the word, and how Islamic world view keeps them in the past rather than looking towards a future.
NaomiChambers 1 year ago
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@NaomiChambers "What I care about is how Islam hurts Muslims around the word, and how Islamic world view keeps them in the past rather than looking towards a future."
can you expand on this? specifically the reasons in how islam is hurting muslims around the world and why those reasons are found in religion only and not politics, society, history and the traditional culture of such people.
AFGalwayz 1 year ago
@NaomiChambers okay on the day of judgement =, we will se who is mentally ill. That man muhammed whom you say is mentally ill, brought a book and challeneges you to produce a chapter like it and with your knowledge of science and your technlogies, you have failed miserably. Who is actually the retard here? You atheists are the retard here...
SuperMaryam16 1 year ago
@SuperMaryam16
This ´Day of Judgement´ is never going to happen. It is as real as the Easter Bunny, Santa Clause and the invisible Pink Unicorn.
I hope you stop wasting your life on all this mumbo-jumbo.
NaomiChambers 1 year ago
@NaomiChambers oh dear, If God has been able to create us, verily, He will be able to raise the dead and surely, that day, people like you, you shall bite your fingers and will say "Had we known." May Allah guide you. I recommend that you read the Quran. And stop listening to such fake things. You can't tell me Everything in the world came out by accident. Think woman...Think and read the Qur'an and say "If there is really a God, then He should guide you and Insha Allah, He will guide you."
SuperMaryam16 1 year ago
@SuperMaryam16
Oh verily, all gods do not exist. All those miracles are nothing more than a bunch of made up stories.
1. Bible - made up stories.
2. Torah - made up stories.
3. Quran - made up stories.
Think Man...think!
NaomiChambers 1 year ago
@NaomiChambers Oh God, please guide my sister naomi. Dear, i am telling you and I am warning you severly. On that day, you will tell God to send you back to earth so that you can start all over again but unfortunately, that day, Is the last day. You might have read the Bible (Old and New Testament) but I doubt that you have read the Qur'an. Go and read the Qur'an and I hope you realise the truth. Many were atheists but they are now muslims. Example Dr. Keithmore. Salam
SuperMaryam16 1 year ago
@SuperMaryam16
I would really like to help you.
You are wasting your life on religious mumbo-jumbo. I am really worried about you.
Is there anything I can do to help you realize that all religions are false?
NaomiChambers 1 year ago
@NaomiChambers Is there anything I can do to make you realize that islam is the truth? OH YES! read the Qur'an.
SuperMaryam16 1 year ago
@SuperMaryam16
I read the Quran, thank you.
But really, is there anything I can do to help you? Wasting a life on mumbo jumbo really makes me sad. If there is anything I can do to help you...feel free to let me know
NaomiChambers 1 year ago
@NaomiChambers I donot think you actually do read he Quran. And may Allah guide you. Please think and know the truth. He created you and He will be the one to raise you from the dead. He has power over all things.
SuperMaryam16 1 year ago
@SuperMaryam16
Actually - I did read it, and it was really boring.
Allah does not exist. Just like Thor does not exist. Or Loki does not exist.
All gods are imaginary
NaomiChambers 1 year ago
@NaomiChambers okay.. But Whosoever Allah guides, no onoe can mislead him and whosoever Allah does not guide, No one can guide him. May He guide you. Ma'asalam. May the Peace and blessings of Almighty God be upon you.
SuperMaryam16 1 year ago
@NaomiChambers I think your imaginary. Look you are only words on you tube. So you must not exist. lol
brentsrx7 9 months ago
@brentsrx7
also with religion as it talks about how everthing god made works.. der show how everthing works. not who made everthing. ders a big diffrince. the point everthing stops and der at lost in the bigbang.. wht came before that.. god something else. there do not know.... the best exaple i can giv is there has to allways be a crater to something. and god can not be crated cuzz hes outside the unviers thos outside of numbersy and matter...
rudeboywaz 4 months ago
@NaomiChambers Am I a made up story?
brentsrx7 2 months ago
Yes I agree KHAFIRS are STUPID,,know such thing as the Neanderthals or dinasours,,,,ALLAH AHKBAR,
Rheaume100 2 years ago
muslims as actually dumber, sooo dumb they think those smarter than them are stupid, funny innit?
ubotxe 2 years ago
@ubotxe you are really so dumb to compare Islam the perfect religion: islam its perfect in its doctrine social system, political, economic system. if you read the quran and the sunnah you will come to understand that Islam is very coherent unlike other false religion that constantly has to be modified once in a while. But islam is very flexible and it was made perfect to fit all times. YOu may not know enough about Islam u probabaly just heard the enemies who make blatant lies
sadiq5519 2 years ago
@Rheaume100
everytime muslims say Allah Ahbar - I imagine a bomb around your waste.
EstherWigginsLyles 1 year ago
dont blame u
well partially i do
im a muslim and the connation that word has, has diplayed ur view. But it means God is Great/est.
which then only glorifies GOD, so beware of what information u take in as once said
watch ur thoughts, they become words watch ur words , they become actions watch ur actions, they become habits watch ur habits, they become character watch ur character this becomes ur destiny
ah05075 1 year ago
@ah05075
Please do not lecture me.
You said that you are willing to consider that Islam is wrong. I congratulate you for that. Very few Muslims are willing to admit they are wrong.
NaomiChambers 1 year ago
in that case u dont need to tell me about my religion coz i know it better than u
ah05075 1 year ago
@ah05075
I will say what ever I want to say... thank you very much
NaomiChambers 1 year ago
i likewise and ur very welcome,
may peace be with u
ah05075 1 year ago
i would be classed as an atheist ...and 2 be honest islam, as any other religion is as dumb as the rest, same shit from a different arse
ubotxe 2 years ago
@sadiq5519
Muslims do not win debates... they do not even know how to debate
NaomiChambers 1 year ago 2
NAOMICHAMBERS: MUSLIMS DON'T WIN DEBATES.. THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW 2 DEBATE?
Peace Naomi,
ISLAMBYCHOICE: PUT UP THIS VIDEO & GUESS WHO IS SPAMMING IT?
What does tell us? It tells us THAT MUSLIMS WIN DEBATES & ATHEISTS SPAM THESE DEBATES!
Hehehe!
Garabsare 1 year ago
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@Garabsare
"GUESS WHO IS SPAMMING IT?"
This is irrelevant to the question of whether or not Muslims know how to debate. This is called a RED HERRING.. a distraction from the relevant issue.
The fact that you used a red herring, to debunk whether Muslims know how to debate - proves you do not know how to debate
NaomiChambers 1 year ago
Wait a minute,so you're saying as a muslim you're only 50% sure Allah exists?That doesn't make sense. I'm a Christian and soundly believe in God 100%.
PortVienna80 1 year ago
@PortVienna80 I am really shocked that you you changed what i said. is that ethical? to lie and say something i never said. manipulation and deception and lying is an evil act. I hope you understand what i mean. Thank you
sadiq5519 1 year ago
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"athiest are close to muslims because they are thinker unlike many other pagan. athiest are half muslims."
Those are your own words. The last sentence is illogical: atheists don't believe in ANY god at all,including yours,so how can they be half muslim? Will Dawkins be praying to Allah in a mosque any time soon? I don't think so.
PortVienna80 1 year ago
@PortVienna80 Technically Allah and Yahweh are the same god, but I don't believe he exists.
JUANMO94 1 year ago
...."and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly.".....
- Albert Einstein, Time magazine, 23rd December, 1940 p. 38
ogirv101 2 years ago
...."but, no, the universities immediately were silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom; but they, like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks.
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Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitlers campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection".......
ogirv101 2 years ago
Here is a quote from Einstein, a secular Jew who was fully aware of what was happening in Germany. Einstein was a Deist, and not a Theists so he was unbiased in his comment, after this you'll look like an idiot with you're unssuported hypothesis, Pseudo-education, and conspiracy theories:
"Being a lover of freedom, when the revolution came in Germany, I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth".....
ogirv101 2 years ago
"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." -Adolf Hitler
Hitler believed Science would prove Christianity wrong, funny thing is that real scientist like Planck, Heisenberg, and Schrodiinger embraced Christianity. Albert Einstein himself supported the Church, Hitler is a dumbass.
ogirv101 2 years ago
We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith(christianity). We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out. -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933
halaghawani1 2 years ago
The funny thing is that that was in 1933, my quote was from 1941 where he received full power. During the 30's we was rising in power and needed support from Christianity. By the way I would join Hitler to fight Atheism, Hitler was nothing compared to Stalin and Mao, stalin and mao were alot worse than Hitler. Hitler also killed Jews, while Jesus was a jew, and he killed other Christians 44 million Christians and 6 million Jews, tell me if that sounds christian?
Moron.....
ogirv101 2 years ago
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, Gods truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. Adolf Hitler 1942
halaghawani1 2 years ago
"In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders." Adolf Hitler 1942
halaghawani1 2 years ago
Hitler held crystal night on Luther's anniversary, Luther was a fierce anti Semite.
Hitler made Christianity compulsory in schools, he banned homosexuality and abortion for the same reason.
The Nazis invented the Intelligent Design, 'orchard of life' model; separate origins, So they could argue some people where sub human.
Hitler's slogan for women was 'children kitchen church'
Hitler was a movement of the bourgeois Christian right paid for by big corps.
marsCubed 2 years ago
I agree Hitler used religion to gain power, but in reality he hated Christianity. Einstein disliked the Church, but after fidning out what the Church did against Hitler (Protestant church), Eisntein supported the Church. I have a quote were he says this, I'll have to find it.
I'm glad you're not pissed off anymore.
ogirv101 2 years ago
Hitler was not religious in the normal sense, but he mentions god in mein kampf repeatedly. He also introduced the united German church. Church and state became merged. It was anti democratic, dogmatic and left people with no way of opposing, even out of conscience. Hitler destroyed the unions then used religion to cement his power and authority, it legitimized him in his war against the 'atheist' left. this is often given as a reason why the USA and others funded him.
marsCubed 2 years ago
Anyone who opposed Hitler was a good person IMO. Whether they were religious or not.
It does not detract from the fact that religion is an enabler for dictators who will use religion to brand opponents as evil.
marsCubed 2 years ago
"it legitimized him in his war against the 'atheist' left. this is often given as a reason why the USA and others funded him"
WHAT?!?! His pagan religion and the support gained from social darwisnism a product of evolutionary theory was what led him to power, and he oppossed Atheists because worser mass murderers like Stalin and Mao Zedong were horrible rulers.
Who in the hell told you USA supported Germany? You're mentally retarted.
ogirv101 2 years ago
"The Nazis invented the Intelligent Design, 'orchard of life' model"
The nazis weren't Christians, they were against Christianity, and they believed in evolution. Hitler himself thought his movement was supported by evolutionary theory, I don't know what conspiracy bullshit you're talking about. Just because you make a radical claim doesn't mean it's true, they didn't invent ID you delusional moron, you really are delusional.
ogirv101 2 years ago
LOL, What was the United German church?
Why did Hitler kill Jewish people?
It was Luther who called for Jews to be removed from Europe in the first place.
Crystal night was on Luther's anniversary to appease the Christian right.
Your arguments are non sensical right wing propaganda and ad hominem insults ogirv101.
Nazis were into eugenics not evolution.
it was not natural selection, just selection and killing 'non humans', they argued for separate origins of Aryan and Semite. read something
marsCubed 2 years ago
And the funding of Nazi Germany was openly from the west, not a secret. Germany was the most industrialized nation at the time, when the economy collapsed, Hitler gave capitalists something to invest in.
He got rid of taxes, broke the left and unions, first thing he did was destroyed a worker's model village.
He got rid of welfare and 'humanely' killed people 'so they would not starve'.
The west invested in huge amounts in the anti communist league of Germany, Italy and Japan.
marsCubed 2 years ago
The right has not changed, some still see themselves as liberators of property rights (oligarchy) and religion.
They divide us into worthy and unworthy.
rich and poor, race, sex, eye and hair colour, place of birth, religion, politics.
anything for divide and rule.
no democratic govt, just your local boss running the town, courts, police and prisons with a priest.
It is bourgeois, religion legitimises 'good moral people' close to the big guy upstairs.
Franco=Nazis in power is religious oligarchy
marsCubed 2 years ago
Hitler was not a Pagan, he stated his intense dislike of such things. He even needed to be talked into not banning Orf. He did revive german culture which had pagan roots, but this was a sideline. He was branded a Pagan by war time propaganda, this was then later picked up on by fiction writers such as Lovecraft. It suits many to think of him in this way, but it makes no sense, Germans were mostly Protestant not pagan, and Hitler was a populist. He appealed to all kinds of pride.
marsCubed 2 years ago
No, there were many people before Luther that were anti-semitic, a historical failure there.
How could the crystal night be Christian appeasement if Christianity goes against violence and Jesus himself was a Jew?
You created your own ad hominem by saying I'm nonsensical? Also that claim has no grounds, I'm using reason and asking a rational question. How could anti-semitism be inspired by Christianity, when the founder Christiany was semitic!
You lack common sense.
ogirv101 2 years ago
you lack education.
The reason Europe is so atheistic and secular today, is precisely because the churches joined the Nazis, there were priests running concentration camps in some places, nuns who ran forced breeding centres, Protestants came knocking at doors looking for Jews to make places Christian.
It was not what fascism was about completely, but it was Christian. The unworthy burn in Hell remember.
Today nobody who had experience of the Nazis has anything to do with your nasty religion.
marsCubed 2 years ago
you lack intelligence
You have no proof that it was Nazism that caused Atheism today, and Atheism is not the same as Secualrism, thanks for being a dumbass and making that mistake.
So you're telling me that people stop being Christian because priests contradicted their faith? Then, in other words, you called Europeans a whole bunch of dumbasses without brains?
You're a delusional moron, and you'll be laughed at by scholars, dude you made me laugh my ass off.
ogirv101 2 years ago
That is actually your own assertion, you manage in your first paragraph to argue with yourself.
re-read, It is you who make the statement you find so amusing, not I.
your criticism is levelled at yourself, it's actually your real target.
honestly, look, I am right.
Perhaps if you weren't so furious, or even if you could just write more slowly then these kinds of things wouldn't happen.
I thoroughly recommend looking for Luther's anti-Semitism on the web incidentally, he speaks for himself.
marsCubed 2 years ago
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marsCubed 2 years ago
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Read 'On Jews and their lies' it is a free on the web if you look for it. It is about the most nasty anti semitic work around. by Luther. He wrote to all the princes of Germany arguing for them to kill Jews. His letters were even more damning than his books. Goebbels; "Through his [Luther's] acts and his spiritual attitude, he began the fight which we will wage today"
Luther's work was present at Nazi meetings. He is the most quoted person in Nazi propaganda books.
You live in a dream world.
marsCubed 2 years ago
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marsCubed 2 years ago
in order to believe in god you need faith(technically lets not be stupid) but listen if i came and slapped you in the face you would of had faith that i hit you and you felt pain? but if i asked you to show me that pain you felt in a form could you show me? but yet you had faith that i hit you and that you felt pain.
harisovic 2 years ago
When someone believes strongly in something that is totally contradicted by sound evidence, they are exhibiting delusional behaviour. Escaping this disorder is not easy. It is largely based on the level of conviction in the delusion and the openness someone has to listen to contradictive evidence to their delusion. The guy with the hat is real deep in his delusion. His attempt to show the Koran being scientific was a total fail.
saxmanchiro 2 years ago
Funny thing about religious people they all come up with convoluted argumens about the existence of God, YET, they never give one tiny bit of evidence!!
I say to all you muslims out there, I'll convert to islam is you give me one bit of evidence of this allah guy! Please show me a photo or video of this guy!
If this allah lives he is the most evil and perverted god ever! Where has this allah been during all the horrorable events that have befallen mankind?
Please give evidence!
legalrule 2 years ago
Wow u r funny, u wana see God with ur own eyes when u can't even stare at the sun. U guys r really funny to think that everything came from NOTHING lol. Knowing u atheists n how u think, if u came across a cellphone a 1,000 yrs ago u and every atheist will come to the conclusion that the cellphone came from nothing, n call it the SMALL PUFF THEORY LOL.
eastboston7 2 years ago
I have often wondered why religionists resort to silly and childish arguments in an attempt to establish the existence of a god.
First of all who said that god is like the sun? Have you ever seen god? If not then why make such an absurd and silly remark?
Who said that science mainatains that the universe came from nothing?
Please once again I ask you for physcial scientific proof of your so called allah! Why don't you have evidence of your allah??
legalrule 2 years ago
First of all no one can give u physical proof of GOD. We muslims belief that the Quran is the word of God, but we don't know what he looks like or anything like that.
Now since ur asking for a physical proof of Allah, I'm asking u for a physical scientific proof of ur THOUGHTS.
eastboston7 2 years ago
Thank you but you failed to answer the questions!
You stated that allah is like the sun and that I couldn't see him! So is allah the sun or one of the suns in the universe?
Please go to school and get an education! I'm tired of such childish and silly questions. Today doctors can scan the brain and determine what portion of the brain is being used! Which by the way, is physical proof, scientific proof of our ability to think and have thoughts!
legalrule 2 years ago
Ignorance incarnate!
Trinivalts 2 years ago
Lol did u just ask for a picture or video? Lol pathetic and really sad to see people like you ask for evidence of God because then it would be easy and all wold be on the right path. and btw humans were given the right to make choices and the biggest mass murderers of all time were athiest u morons;)
masfreedom 2 years ago
So you admit that there is no scientific evidence for your so called god allah!!
So why would your god be so evil as to not provide evidence that he exists? If what you just said is true, I doubt it, then what kind of evil and perverted god lets his creation die and burn in hell bc he didn't give evidence of his existence?
Actually, the biggest kills have muslims! The geneocide of Black Africans, Armenian genocide, Jewish genocides and many more all in the name of allah!
legalrule 2 years ago
The Inquisition which lasted for 60 Years was carried out by the Roman Catholic Church and resulted in the deaths of an estimated 7 Million to 12 Million Muslims, Jews and Non-Catholic Christians.
The AIDS Virus invented in the labs of the U.S. and spread through the African population via Small Pox Vaccines. After these supposed Vaccines were administered, AIDS growth in Africa grew exponensially.
The Crusades lead to easily the deaths of 200k to 500k carried out by the Pope and Kings.
dontbecutk 2 years ago
What the hell is going on?
Man you are a nutjob! HIstorically there was only 3 to 4 thousand people killed during the inquisition by the religious!!
AIDS came from Africa you asshole! We have today tissue samples from Africans that had AIDS from the 1920's!! Interestingly AIDS sprung up around the areas where these samples were taken!!
The crusades were started by the muslims!! What kind of distortion and disengenuous statements, if not outright lies, you are making!
Go to school!
legalrule 2 years ago
Go read a book and not some Nut Job Athiest site for once. How did the Muslims start the Crusafes you Nut Job... It was originally brought by Pope Urban II and suggested by a Byzantinian Emporer named Alexius I in 1095 AD to start a "Holy War" against the MUSLIMS.
dontbecutk 2 years ago
Once again selective history and revisionism by muslim hypocrites!
Yes! Christians attacked the muslim but why? You guys never mention that do you? The Pope wrote a letter to the religious leaders of Islam asking them to please stop the attacks on Christian pilgrams going to the holy sites in Israel! What was the response? muslim clerics had nuns raped and sold off as prostitutes and priests were castrated!! Oh! I'm sorry muslims teach that the nuns and priests did this to themselves, right?
legalrule 2 years ago
Why else do you think that they attacked... What does the Land of Palestine have that most other lands don't... it is a great trading route for many empires and nations. It they came there for religious purposes, they would of never massacred the Muslims in the Hundreds of thousands. Sick and vile Europeans who came there not to fight for the Sake of God but to cut all traces of Muslims in the 3rd Holiest City of Islam and now its happening again with the War on "Terror", another war on Islam.
dontbecutk 2 years ago
They attacked and killed muslims only after the Pope wrote a letter to the calif asking him to stop the attacks on pilgrams going to the holy sites in Israel! What did the muslims do? They castrated priests and raped nuns who were sold off as prostitutes!
You filthy muslims got just what you had coming to you! Today it repeats again and again! You are getting just what you have coming to you, in fact, if it were up to me we would nuke mecca and medina!!
legalrule 2 years ago
Yeah, well, it ain't ever going to happen and as long as there are Atheists like you with Mediocre arguments and stupid comments, the U.S. will continue to be known as a Nation of Numb-Skulls and by the way... where is this "letter" that you speak of, when was it sent to and to which Caliph...
dontbecutk 2 years ago
Excuse me Atheists are the ones that have proven your koran and bible as being no more than myths, fables and legends!
Just think about this for a moment. If there is a god why would he use a man, in your religion, a child molester, rapist and thief to spread his true religion? Why not come out and just hand mankind his manual on religion?
Have you ever seen this allah? Have you ever heard this allah? Do you have a photo of this allah? Don't feel bad no religionist has a photo of their god
legalrule 2 years ago
How did you prove it wrong???
dontbecutk 2 years ago
First of all with the korans that have been discovered in the ME we can see that the koran was written over a long period of time! When the German scientists began to reveal the errors and mistakes in the koran they were threatened with death! The government sealed the korans away and there is a fear that they are burning the korans! So once again muslim destroy anything that they fear!!
legalrule 2 years ago
Firstly it was written over a period of time that is right. It revealed to Muhammed(PBUH) from Allah throughout his Prophethood. The smoking that reveals this is in these verses: (23:12-14)
(23:12) - Man We did create from a quintessence (of clay).
(23:13) - Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed.
dontbecutk 2 years ago
Wha the hell are you talking about? The smoking, smoking weed?
The Jewish bible stated this years before mohammed came around!!
Are you really trying to say that people in around the world didn't know that sperm worked in the process of life??
Man you need to go to school and get an education!!
legalrule 2 years ago
(23:14) - Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!
The verses 13 and 14 clearly state the known facts about Embryology and how the embryo inside the uterus(the "place of rest - firmly fixed") develops into a fetus.
dontbecutk 2 years ago
legalrule is a youtube shill,it is this things job to write crap,youtube has shills on most pages.tools of the illuminati.
j400wel 2 years ago
For Muhammed to have known this, he would had to have an Electronic Microscope capable of detecting the Embryo inside the Uterus. Since h3 did not have this at his disposal, it would make sense to believe that he could not have known about any form of Embryology. Plus considering that he lived among Arabs who thought the World was Flat and that he was Illiterate, it makes it even less like he could have known the details about Fetal Development. This proves the Qu'ran is a Revelation from God.
dontbecutk 2 years ago
This is the most ridiculous and disengenuous statement I have ever read!
Please do cite to me every verse in the koran that speaks of the egg and sperm!
You know very well that this knowledge was known long before mohammed was around! History is full of accounts of soldiers cutting open women during war looking for jewels and god! Are you really going to say that they didn't notice the early stages of life?
Rome knew about this long before mohammed!!
legalrule 2 years ago
So Rome knew about the exact workings of how a fetus develops... Your nuts. Even scientists(such Dr. Keith L. Moore) have admited that this information only known about in the past 30-50 Years that was revealed to Muhammed was from God and could never have been by man. Plus Muhammed being Illiterate and unable to right or read, I would of highly doubted he would of known the development of a Fetus.
dontbecutk 2 years ago
Oh please!!! Why are muslims so dishonest and liars?
Please go back and read what I wrote you asshole!!
But do us all a favor and give us the exact quotations in the koran that prove that mohammed did know the, "workings of how a fetus develops!"
I would love to read where the koran states that an egg from a woman and the sperm from the man start the whole process going! Please provide us with the verses that talk about DNA!
legalrule 2 years ago
I've given you the Chapter(Sura) and the Verse Numbers(Ayat). Plus, I never said theat Muhammed knew the workings of a fetus you imbecile. I said that it was revealed to him by God. There is no way he would of been able to know this. No one knew about this at AD 620.
dontbecutk 2 years ago
intelligent design
zmungerz 3 years ago
It is funny how you say that the universe is fine tuned and therefore there is a tuner.
Who tuned the tuner himself?? What explanation do you have?? "Oh he is just the Supreme Being that we humans cannot explain..." That is illogical and not even debatable.
You are explaining the mystery of existence with a bigger mystery. What you are really saying is that you know nothing.
metalgee 3 years ago
We are created therefore we have a creator, it is nonsensical question to say who created God because by definition God is an uncreated being. If I mix different colour paint in a bucket and throw it at the wall would I get the monoleesa? I would not get one even if I threw it at the wall a trillion times, the chances of me getting one the first time is equal to chances of me getting one the last time which is zero.
halaghawani1 3 years ago
By saying God is an uncreate being you are putting limits to your brain. You are misunderstanding the word " possibilities ". You can not expect something to turn to a pre defined shape after a million try because it will not. If you throw a paint bucket at a wall it will create something that is not pre determined. It will create a new mixture of colours. So after millions of years of tries we became what we are. If the big bang happens again perhaps we wouldn't exist at all.
metalgee 3 years ago
Even if we were to assume that God did have a creator, let's call the God who created us G1 and the God who created our God(i.eG1) G2 and the God who created G2, G3 and so on. As an atheist you would have to conclude that this went on to infinity, but by saying that you are saying that it took an infinite number of Gods to reach where we are now, but if it took an infinte number of Gods to reach us then this means we would never be here, this leads to the conclusion that God had to be uncreated.
halaghawani1 3 years ago
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halaghawani1 3 years ago
regardless of how many Gods there is. According to islam it did actually take an infinite amount of time to create humans because God is an infinite being right? Then he changed his mind and decided to us (which demolishes the claim that God is infinite and unchanging).
Maybe we exist because of an alien experement, maybe there is actualy a God. But definitely there is no proof of its a existence. We have more than 1000 ideologies on earth, which one of them is correct about their Gods?
metalgee 3 years ago
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halaghawani1 3 years ago
I dont really think you have understood my argument. In your previous comment you baisically said if we are created by God then who created God? God cannot be created because it would go against basic logic. There had to be an intelligent already existing eternal being from which all life originated, if you want to assume that somebody had to have created God then you are saying we would never be here.
halaghawani1 3 years ago
Show me where it says it took an infinite amount of time to create humans in Islam. Anyway if took an infinite amount of time to make something the thing would never come into existance. Just in case you dont understand what infinity means, it means "without end"
halaghawani1 3 years ago
You said " As an atheist you would have to conclude that this went on to infinity" and According to islam God existed for an infinite time and will continue to exist for infinity as well. Do you dare to say that God had a start and he will have an end?
In all religions, God is unchanging and infinite ,he existed when we didn't exist. Then he decided to make us humans so God changed his mind just like humans change their minds therefore he is no longer a god.
metalgee 3 years ago
Sorry I meant to say that if one God created another than it would mean that it took an infinite amount of Gods (not time since time didn't even exist before the universe was created) before our God was created. The following equation explains it, Our God + infinite number of Gods= we would never be here. We dont say God is infinite , we say he is eternal which means he has no beggining nor end, this means he is "timeless", not bound by time.
halaghawani1 3 years ago
Cool! I gues we will have more argument about this issue years ahead! Qur'an will play a major role in these arguments! InshaAllah!
mucaad3 3 years ago
20.15 mins
Prof. Peter Atkins suggesting that the word "Why" is close to meaningless.
Then asking people, WHY did you steal/kill/murder becomes....HOW did you steal/kill/murder.
Both statements are valid but are completely different in meaning.
haitham1984 3 years ago
Multiverse is not a propper theory in the first place.
It's only there to fill in the gap. There is no evidence or even a clue to suggest it, other than it is the only sollution science can come up with at the moment.
Using it in philosophical debate while knowing nothing supports it dishonest.
MarcinP2 3 years ago
In the entire dabate, Atkins did not state what he believed and stuck with it. like he talked about the "stabbing in the back" for fear of being stabbed in the back. to me that is at minimum a concept of karma that comes from RELIGION!!!
naliakbar 3 years ago
Another thing which you all might find interesting.
At 1:26, Atkins says "the ability to reflect on our actions which no other organism is capable of".
Don't you think that statement is somewhat strange? I mean if you believe as he does that the universe came into existence purely through thermodynamics, and life purely came into existence through evolution. Wouldn't that be an outrageous statement? Surely it's highly likely that there are similar organisms in the vast universe.
samdahabib 3 years ago
Whoa this Atheist is very dangerous. He actually said "Why" doesn't exist. Why is the most important question because it is the question that motivates all reflection, and introspection. Without it you can't have the morality he claims you can achieve with science.
"How" doesn't tell you "why" you shouldn't kill your children. It just tells you "how" to kill them and "how" not to kill them.
If we went down his path you'd see a complete deconstruction of society and human existence.
iArsalan 3 years ago
That what I exactly thought. He is self contradictive. I think he even don't understand that what he is saying is contradictory and non Logic. He just stand out for his commitment of being Atheist as Shabir Ally said. THis is being stubborn and not open minded. He is debating against Islam without even knowing anything about Islam or the Quran. That's called ignorance!!
solitair1 3 years ago
How we arrived at our morality through gradual evolution does explain why we do not kill our children. It is true that you can say 'Why shouldn't I kill my kid if there is no consequence?' but this does not change your natural instinct. These are all natural biological perceptions that can't be altered with questioning. Morals like all human biology is not a result of religion. We do not walk because of religion nor do we eat because of religion. We do not have morals because of religion.
Gwisss 3 years ago
Islam tells us: God created us all Muslims by nature, submitting to His Will.Only human being evolved to be crooked,corrupt, greedy..That's when religion comes to play the role of directing and guiding human beings and put a limit to this.The only problem that all other Abrahamic religions grew to be modified and corrupted by human being himself so the scripture (guide book and manual) for human beings hs being altered and ceased to be completely divine except for the Quran (the ultimate guide).
solitair1 3 years ago
Only humans have evolved to be "greedy, Corrupt, Crooked"? I would like to see the research done on this subject because it sounds fabricated and rashly writen.
Have you read 'The Selfish Gene' by Richard Dawkins? This gives a better picture of how morality functions from a genetic point of view.
I would agree that for many the Qur'an is seemingly a guiding force. However, the Qur'an is not the reason they do good moral actions, there is a more biological reason for this want to be moral.
Gwisss 3 years ago
Falsifiability is a good way of determining which of your beliefs can be shown as false through experiment and testing and which are simply untestable claims.
For ex: "God created us all Muslim by natue"
"God created.." is an untestable claim, which one can rest this claim on the side and be agnostic about it. Which leads us to "(we are) all Muslim by nature" well, how can I determine if a we are all muslims including non-muslims? And what is the natural biological gene that makes us muslim?
Gwisss 3 years ago
If you can't prove something scientifically doesn't mean that it's false especially when it comes to faith. Muslim means literally someone who submits his will to God.We now define Muslims as certain people from certain areas who pray toward Mecca but Muslims is much broader than this. When I mean that God created us all Muslims I mean that God created us with inner belive in him and submiting to him. Not just Human beings but all nature including animals.This facts is faith based not scientific
solitair1 3 years ago
If something is not falsifiable, therefore there is no way of really testing the claim. To suggest that something is faith based and not scientific is very similar to suggesting that something is fantasy and not nonfiction. The problem here is that you are making scientific claims,
"God created us with inner belief in him"
This is actualy a scientific claim and there is no evidence for it. You cannot make a scientific claim and try and pass it off as a faith based claim, that is dishonest.
Gwisss 3 years ago
I didn't say that my claim is not scientific.I meant to say that for me it's faith based and I don't need scientific evidence for it to believe.There might be scientific testing but I don't care to find out,I'm a believer anyway.I believe in God and in judgment afterwards, you don't, so why do you care? Just leave us alone and do yout things. Why looking at religious things if you don't belive in them? This only means that you have doubts or you want all peole to be like you so you feel better.
solitair1 3 years ago
To make a claim about the real world such as "God created us all muslim by nature" is a claim that infringes on science overtly. Expect your claims to be challenged when they hold no evidence.
The reason I care is a simple answer. Because religious bigots wish to impose their beliefs into the public sphere. In the UK and Canada there have been attempts to force Sha'aria law into the system. This is why I oppose religions, BECAUSE they are not satisfied until everyone believes what they believe.
Gwisss 3 years ago
But like that you are doing the same thing they are doing. You are imposing your believes.I don't care whether someone else's becomea Muslim or not even though this might make me happy.The real sharia tell Muslims to obey the law of the country they live in. Therefore if Muslims in Canada want to change the law there and they are minority, then this is against the teachings of Islam. Don't judge Islam by the doing of some extremists.I'm not one of those by the way, I'm a real Muslim :)
Peace.
solitair1 3 years ago
If you wish to call secularism a belief, then I am impossing this belief. However, it functions as a system that does not deny people their own beliefs, but it does deny people the ability to impose and force their faith based beliefs on others. This is a GOOD thing!
Even if Muslims were a majority in Canada, how does this give them the right to impose and force their doctrine on to others who do not share their belief?
This is the PROBLEM with islamic nations.
Gwisss 3 years ago