What is a Christians response to these murders? God gave life and can take it. Complete idiots. Brainwashed for life and that's the sad part. Thank you for making ma free thinker!
There are some few Christians, the Westboro Baptist Church, in America that have understood gods message in the bible and and taken it to the heart and now spread the "happy words" that gods hate all of use. The funny thing is that the majority of Christians get upset about the real truth about their god and denies it - upset and denial only because they want to cling to their beliefs of their loving Jesus, just as children cling to their favorite toy and start to cry whenever it is taken away.
@jomen112 "The existence of satanic cults is good news to us. Because it means that people out there have read the entire bible, and fully believe it. They've bought into all of the church's teachings, and have come to the rational and logical conclusion- *tears off robes, revealing leather vests, pants, and sexy as all shit women clinging to his legs*- to go with the other guy! \m/"
If Jesus is the god of the Old Testament, as Christians so often like to assert, then it was Jesus himself who commited all of the murders and attrocities listed in this video clip.
I accidentally got into an arguemnt with some deluded Christian outsides Edinburghs Telford College today. Needless to say he dug his own grave, admitting to being homophobic, denying Gods murders and going round in circles, dodging several questions, denying science in it's entirely, contradicting himself and clearly lying.
Stupid cunt, typical Christian and completely embarrassed himself. He ran away and I stood there smug as fuck.
They forgot to mention the deaths due to God's impact on people. Many have died in the name of God, and have gone to war in the name of God. They murder tons of people and use God to justify it. Often, both sides believe in different gods, so in the end, one of the gods are going to let them down, which would show God wanted them to die, or that it does not exist.
The idea of God has caused so much harm, but people who believe push the bad aside as "God's will", and I find that to be wrong.
@Lubotsulat first of all dude, let me ask you something, are you present that time when God ordered moses to kill those people? your insane man, we don't know exactly what happen back then.God doesn't have to intervene to us just to prove he is the powerful being. just for us to see in order us to believe. that's not how it should be
@dname1000 Lol you'd be pissing off alot of christians by what you said cause theres alot that believe and say god talk to them and the bible is the word so yea try saying that to a hardcore christian cause they even think the world is flat : )
I'm spreading the word: If anyone out there still has an old copy of "Deities & Demigods," dig it out and look at the illustration credits. You'll find the name "Jeff Dee." That's this same Jeff Dee.
/watch?v=E6j3yThfxxk&feature=channel_video_title This is a video series about what music is good according to God. Atheists please go there and hit the dislike button.
atheist think again... i think your the one who doesn't know what your doing. you trying to find the truth for what? what will you gain? can't you just live your life the way you want it and stop doing this nonsense were you don't where this leads you at the end, for me its more sounds better.
it only show that atheist have different statement. some atheist say god killed this some atheist say god don't exist. i think atheist are more confuse that those christian that they say are confuse and believing to god which a killer.. err.. don't exist..i mean a killer... uhmm i'm confuse anyway that's what atheist said... fucking atheist who are not consistent to what they say...
i think this speaker is the believer of the bible coz he actually believe what's written ther coz if for him god killed those people and he is against then don't believe, just like that. sometimes atheist confuse me. u see, just to have an evidence that christian are in the wrong path, he's telling this story. but i thought atheist believe god don't exist so it was not god who did those thing. think about it mr. fucking stupid speaker!!!!
i think this speaker is the believer of the bible coz he actually believe what's written ther coz if for him god killed those people and he is against then don't believe, just like that. sometimes atheist confuse me. u see, just to have an evidence that christian are in the wrong path, he's telling this story. but i thought atheist believe god don't exist so it was not god who did those thing. think about it mr. fucking stupid speaker!!!!
@dname1000 No, the speaker does not actually believe that the events listed in the Bible occurred. Well, there is some debate over what may have really happened, like maybe some of the deaths really occurred, but the speaker definitely does not believe they were caused by Yahweh, but instead by natural circumstances that tribes then chose to interpret as punishment/justice. I personally am relieved that most of this stupid crap did not happen.
@barennis then why this speaker keep using the event in the bible against the christian? ther's no use and its stupid to give time to this crap.if the christian believe it then let them,its their belief, they live with it. so the speaker believe in yahweh? holy crap, yahweh is also god interpreted by other religion,atheist doesnt believe god exist,really fucking idiot! of course people back then interpret it as a punishment to them by god,there was no education that time.
@barennis in our time today, we should be the one who understand this, coz we're lucky that we have a good education that should use in the right way and stop blaming god. god has nothing to do with it,we don't even know what he look like, we don't know how he talk, all in all we have no idea about God. god is good. but some stupid people keep trying finding the truth.they'll die still don't find the truth. stupid!!
@barennis there is God. but the problem is, we don't know him. and knowing him is not about showing up in flesh or he talk to us or he turned the stone to bread. just to be good and god is with us, just that.. nothing else, don't request of anything. our needs will come if we work hard for it, god will not give it to us by magic. coz most of stupid person will request to god and if they not receive anything on time (LoL :)) they will blame god, that is bullshiit!!!
this stupid speaker is stupid, i don't kno if he knows what he's talking about. he keep saying god kill this people.wow that's absurd for a story only because it is in the bible.that's how he understood the bible.how can i talk to this speakr so that i will tell him personally how stupid he is. so fucking stupid guy,killing done by human,cursing s done by human. there are thing's that happen we could not explain, you come to our province ther r witches i can say practice something unexplainable.
the point is, there is no reason to talk about god. let the atheist talk about what they want coz you can not change them, JUST STOP CALLING TO THEM. there is no reason to be genius or giving the best answer about their question. let the atheist do want they want to do for crying out loud. i'm still a catholic and it doesn't change anything..lol
@bonnrabida so you're not bothered by the supposed fact that your god killed a bunch of people for ridiculous reasons? Really? You worship that? Can you take yourself seriously as an ethical person? Your god is as mature as a five year-old and as violent as a sadist. But I guess you rationalize that by pointing out how great Yahweh is because he helped you ace a test in school.....while ignoring children being raped apparently - but no he had time to answer your stupid little prayers.
@barennis you see dude i don't know how to rate your stupidity. let me explain to you, you said that my god killed bunch of people for ridiculous reason? are you there in the scene when it was happened? can you define to me how my god killed those people? how does god look like? define to me fucking stupid asshole!! don't reason out that there was a follower of god who did this crime coz according to your statement it was my god who did it. your as stupid as the speaker in this show.
@barennis you see i'm not bothered, first of all coz i'm not stupid like you, second,ther is no fucking reason to be bothered.give me solid evidence that my god killed those people.and killing are done by a human,not by god. and if a certain person would tell that i heard voice from above and told me to kill hundred people i would do so coz i kno it comes from god. you're fucking insane if you listen to that. you know yourself you can't kill why would you kill.your not making any sense STUPID!
@barennis let me tell you these, i don't deny the fact that in my religion there are stupid believer, that some of them gone out of their head, that they hear voice of god, because the bible said so. because it was written in the bible we have to kill so i will follow. for me its stupid, but then i can't something about it, but if killing is involve i would make an action coz that's for a belief already. god gave us free will to use it in the right way.
@dname1000 So it does not seem that Moses had "free will" in ordering his army to pillage and take "women-children" (which means prepubescent females - your god has serious issues) because Yahweh was ordering Moses. It was an order! And if you choose to just ignore that detail in the Bible, what makes you choose to accept the claims made elsewhere in the Bible? If the Bible is wrong anywhere, it is not the "perfect word of God". You are ignoring the Bible where it says "God commanded Moses".
@barennis who says the bible is the perfect word of God, there is no perfect word of God. the problem with us human, we will write something about a certain person and then it will be pass by generation and of course some of the detail will be change, its like rumors or gossip, and then the whole story change. the truth is we don't know exactly what happen back then that's why we can not just believe what's written in the bible,we just have to believe ourselves if we encounter it personally.
@barennis God is asking us to become saint or holy, he just want us to be human, we can not rely our life in past event.we rely on what is in the present. God only want is for us to be good. God doesnt like killing. for me if that's really happen, i'll be against to moses.but that doesnt mean i will turned into an atheist. coz atheist people i can say are confused people.they tried to find the thruth in which they are not obligating to do so. maybe hobby is ok. lol
@barennis that is bullshit you fucking moron!!! moses only use god for his own intention. god didn't ordered him to kill those people. who talk to the army to kill the people? its moses right, its not god himself talk to the army or to moses. example,let say people now are ignorant, i will kill this kid because i heard god talk to me and it is god himself told me to kill this boy. would u believe me? no, right.
@dname1000 And the lord ordered moses,take vengeance on the Midianites for the Children of Israel.Numbers 31,God certainly ordered it,if moses just used God,then why would God allow mass genocide of the midianites in his name?.
@barennis i think you're the one bothered and has a problem not me, don't bothered me and i think you have a problem in your mentality, you better see a doctor before you end up in the mental hospital, really i'm serious. go see a doctor now before its to late for u. dumb ass!!
@dname1000 I have scheduled an appointment with a psychiatrist and will update you on the results after the evaluation. Now, as for your other protestations: It says in the Bible "God commanded", pretty explicitly. It does not give the reader any indication that for example, Moses was doing his own thing when ordering his army to keep "women-children" for themselves after slaughtering their families in front of these kids' eyes (Numbers 31). The Bible says "God spoke to Moses and ordered this".
@barennis bwahaha!! and you actually believe that?!! your are so stupid if you believe that God actually spoke to moses. that's so funny!!! let me ask you something, in our time, have you heard someone claiming God talking to them. you truly are insane.i'm a catholic but i don't believe with this about moses.i'm not that stupid.there is no such thing, i duno what exactly happen at the period of moses coz i was not there, and person who wrote the bible not god himself.
@barennis and it intrigue me that you believe this, with what god told to moses (slaughtering the people) and it seems you know exactly the detail. this is why it is intriguing for me, your an atheist, you don't believe that God exist, Bible, for you, also doesn't exist then why u keep using this story in the bible.you are telling that God is a killer because he told moses to kill this people.For you, there is no God right, there is no moses, there is no jesus.
@barennis according to u, it seems that now God exist, jesus exist, moses exist. bible is true. although your interpretation is, God is a killer, right. but atheist don't believe in this. are you all atheist have a problem in the brain. you know what i think you are all crazy. atheist are crazy people. fuck it!!
Did i say that this thing you call mother nature made itself? No.
You said that mother nature is atheism God, i pointed out how that sentanse is flawd, i did not make any claim on how this mother nature thing got here, or if it has a will / mind.
Please tell me how this faitheism = atheism.
The definitions i found of it, would have it that faitheism =/= atheism.
Atheist would be able to think that magical pixies made everything for an example, as long as it does not involve a deity / God, it is no problem.
My personal answer would be that i dont know.
Then faitheism is not = atheism
Even if you went by the less popular definition ( which i find to be innaccurate ) the belief that God does not exist, it does not include that material answers are always right.
@Turha101 Alright well, I'm sorry. I shouldn't be trying to trample on your disbelief, I just don't understand it and I don't like it when atheists trample on my belief. Have a good day
I understand why it would anoy you, when your beliefs get trampled on, but dont forget, that there are many people out there who also mock atheism, so the mocking goes both ways.
Now what about atheism do you not understand / have questions about? I could try to answer them if you want.
wait wait wait.. i see videos on here where there is a big religious debate when there was no need for one and the very video that would call for one it is getting a political debate? I am so confused right now
@NecroDefain While the Israelites were in the desert, a man was discovered gathering wood on the Sabbath day. Those who caught him at it brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly. But they kept him in custody, for there was no clear decision as to what should be done with him. Then the Lord said to Moses, This man shall be put to death; let the whole community stone him outside the camp. So the whole community led him outside the camp and stoned him to death as the Lord had commanded
God is a spirit, an immaterial conscious being. All things in the universe consists of matter and/or energy, so if God isn't matter, is energy by definition. Energy is the capacity to do work, is eternal, omnipresent, wasn't created and can't be destroyed, can create matter, was the only thing present before the BB, and the energy required to make the universe must had been powerful. All these match Biblical descriptions of God. He wants us to elevate our consciousness to the next level, is real
It is not unjust for the creator and giver of life, to take life. On what grounds could we claim it to be unjust? How would you argue your case with God that you or someone else deserves a particular length of life? BTW murder and death an not interchangeable (as this guys seems to think). To prove murder you need to show that the actions were not justified beyond reasonable doubt.
Here is the last and final of the websites, it conclusively ends all denial that God created the universe, yet still atheists refuse to worship God, only hell is the final abode of such people who refuse to worship the Creator and obey His commandments. h t t p : / / h a r u n y a h y a . c o m / e n . m _ c a t e g o r i e _ 7 6 . p h p
Here are a few websites for you to check out if you are an atheist who truly would want to see if proof of the existence of God exists, to save oneself from hell. h t t p : / / w w w . m i r a c l e s o f t h e q u r a n . c o m / i n d e x . p h p
I posted a question in a question-and-answer forum on the internet, and many atheists responded to the question "Atheists: Are you open to the possibility of the existence of God if someone tries to introduce scientific evidence proving the existence of God, or would you reject it on the principle of your belief that God/gods/goddesses do not exist?" Almost unanimously they responded by saying even if he existed they would not worship him, because he is a "hypocrite" some said "idiot."
@User100606 "Almost unanimously they responded by saying even if he existed they would not worship him, because he is a "hypocrite" some said "idiot.""
While that's actually not an answer to the question asked, I suspect atheists would unanimously also say that they would accept a gods existence given evidence. The question of worship is separate, and frankly, anyone who'd worship the demon of Abrahamic mythology is sick in the head. As demonstrated by this video.
Atheism is a mental disorder for the fact that they reject scientific proof of the existence of God, refusing to even look into it simply because they claim "most scientists are atheists" and "if there were such evidence, there would be no atheist scientists." There are simple facts of life that many people deny and reject, having faith on whatever the majority are following just because the majority are following it is not scientific, even if your talking about "most scientists." Think about it
@User100606 "Atheism is a mental disorder for the fact that they reject scientific proof of the existence of God"
You're mistaking blatant assertion for "science". Harun Yahya is no scientist. His drivel has not led to any discovery or improvement of human understanding of nature. That is the single measure of quality that matters in science - and why your superstition is now irrelevant to anything related to human civilization.
@Gnomefro When you used the word "drivel" I already knew you did have much to offer, as it is the mark of a close-minded person to automatically reject another person's point of view with such repetitive use of disparaging words, as you atheists are used to. I am waiting to come across an atheist, who isn't insanely mad and close-minded at the same time. Man atheists clearly reject any evidence shown to them, while some atheists take the chance of opening their mind to research the fact of God.
@Gnomefro Often talking to atheists, is like talking to someone who has nothing to offer but whining and complaining and mistaken assumptions about who is causing the problems in the world. Clearly religion is not the problem, it is sinful and faithless people like atheists, seriously look up the facts of how many millions of INNOCENT people died and received injuries at the hands of insane atheists. All civilizations believe in ONE God, even those that seem polytheist actually venerate one God.
@Frederico99er You atheists are retarded little children when you say people have killed in the name of religion. Where? I dare you to prove me without a doubt that someone has ever killed in the name of religion. Of course atheists have killed in the name of atheism, have you not read the history of the Bolshevik revolution? Did you ignore the millions of deaths during the Bolshevik revolution, yet get all fired up about your fantasies of people killing in the name of religion?
@User100606 you don't think people have ever killed in the name of religion? do you know any history at all? may i remind you of the inquistion, the crusades, Constantine's reign, the salem witch trials, 9/11. did u forget about those? and the bolshevik revolution was initiated by the Russian poor class to overthrow the oppressive russian czar Nicholas II, atheism had nothing to do w/ it
@Frederico99er The inquisition, was punishment of law breakers, same thing with the Salem witch trials. If you don't like the law, then move out, that is what many Jews did BEFORE the inquisition, there were warnings ahead of time. The crusades were simply an extension of the historical dominance of Rome over Palestine/Judea, a battle for land and resources. Same thing with 9/11, it was an American plan to win oil contracts in Iraq as well as secure the pipeline in Afghanistan.
@Frederico99er The pipeline project was first proposed by UNOCAL, and that is how Hamid Karzai was picked to be the American puppet in Afghanistan, his only credential was being a former emplyoee of UNOCAL. Same thing with Condeleeza Rice, she got involved through corporate links with Bush and his family. It's all about money, it has nothing to do with religion. Seriously you need to look into these things to increase your level of awareness. Religion only heightens this desire to seek the truth
@User100606 the "laws" during the inquistion were that u had to convert to christianity and those who didnt we either killed or had to leave so yes religion was the reason for the inquisition. the 'laws" during the Salem witch trials that u mention were against commiting a pack with the devil which again involves religion. the Crusades were initiated by the pope to do "god's work" and reclaim the holy land from the muslims
@User100606 and even if the pope was lying about his intentions the soldiers themselves (many of them volunteers) participated in the Crusades because they thought they were doing god's will, again religion plays apart in that. and about 9/11 america had nothing to do with it and it had nothing to do w/ Iraq it was all about al qaeda and afghanistan who declared a jihad (holy war) against america (the great Satan) and terrorists who flew the planes into the world trade center did it becasue they
@User100606 believed they were being martyrs for allah and would be sent to heaven for their 72 virgins by doing so, so there again showed religion had a role. and about these so called oil contracts i dare you to find a shred of evidence that shows that oil came to america from iraq
@Frederico99er Watch the documentary Fahreheit 9/11 and research the references within that documentary for proof of American oil corporations benefiting from majority oil contracts being given to American oil corporations. Also look up "Halliburton," and it's involvement in Iraq and the corruption and embezzlement of American tax-payer money, Dick Cheney and Bush and other members of their administration's direct links to Halliburton. I gave you a few hints and a starting point, do research.
@Frederico99er Watch the documentary Fahrenheit 9/11 and research the references within that documentary for proof of American oil corporations benefiting from majority oil contracts being given to American oil corporations. Also look up "Halliburton," and it's involvement in Iraq and the corruption and embezzlement of American tax-payer money, Dick Cheney and Bush and other members of their administration's direct links to Halliburton. I gave you a few hints and a starting point, do research.
@Frederico99er Also FBI director Robert Mueller said in a press conference that 9 of the 19 suspected hi-jackers are no longer suspects. Also Osama bin Laden is not wanted on the FBI website for 9/11 because there is no evidence linking Osama bin Laden to 9/11. Also when the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were attacked in 1999, Osama bin Laden was blamed by Clinton, and in an interview with Chris Wallace he said that he planned to attack Afghanistan, but the CIA and FBI refused to certify
@Frederico99er that Osama bin Laden was responsible, because they had NO EVIDENCE. Also Former Israeli Mossad foreign intelligence agent Victor Ostrovsky details in his books of how when he was in the Israeli Mossad spy agency, that he overlooked operations in which identification documents were stolen from innocent Arabs and then planted in such ways to falsely incriminate them in terrorist attacks that he was a part of. He even details how the Israeli Mossad did the attacks blamed on Libya.
@User100606 What proof is there? I don't claim all scientists are atheists. Many Christians can be just as good scientists as an atheist. Christian Fundamentalists, however, who believe the earth is 6,000 years old can not be good scientists. So I ask you: Do you have proof?
Just as it is OK in war to kill an enemy army that is attacking you, similarly it is OK for God to wipe out all the evil people He sees spreading on Earth and eating up the precious few and persecuting them for not surrendering their faith. It is a proven fact that only those with faith cherish freedom. Atheism is such a mental disorder, that the one inflicted by it goes out of their way to do evil things to others out of anger, even to the point of persecuting, you truly do need God to stop sin
@User100606 "Atheism is such a mental disorder, that the one inflicted by it goes out of their way to do evil things to others out of anger, even to the point of persecuting, "
You mean like 9/11 and other instances of suicide bombing? Or are you talking about early Islamic imperialism?
@User100606 "Just as it is OK in war to kill an enemy army that is attacking you, similarly it is OK for God to wipe out all the evil people He sees spreading on Earth and eating up the precious few and persecuting them for not surrendering their faith."
Islam is a global imperialistic phenomena that have been slaughtering infidels en-masse. Seeing yourself as victims is simply delusional beyond belief. As is the idea that it's moral to kill people for not believing things without evidence.
@User100606 What is sin? It seems to just be a word that the bible made up for things it doesn't like. Why aren't you killing evil people then if it's ok?
"creation evolved in the mind of God and actually proves very simply the obvious point of his existence"
This is of course true, because the bible tells us so, is infallible, and is entirely true - because the entity which it writes into existence says so.
By the way. It is God that defines murder as a human taking human life with malice a forthought. God is not human. What makes you a mear mortal able to decide that all which dies is murder on the part of God. Oh thy judge, judge thyself for oh the tangled web ye weave when you first practice to decieve.
@Phaze252 God has said You must not commit murder. Murder is the taking of human life with malice aforethought. Murder isn't just killing. Murder is in essence a characterization of the killer. His intent is clear he is malicious. God has not commanded you to kill anyone. Nor me. But, If you were to try I would use all means available to stop you. This is called self defence. I need not kill you. but, I might have to, to stop you. No malice no evil intent. mere self preservation.
@Phaze252 You taking another human life and calling it an act of God is purely foolish. God did not act, you did! God is not a malicious malcontent. He has no need to murder anyone. Death did not come into the world by God but by an userper we call the devil. Unfortunately God has inherited this problem and will work justly and fairly and the balance sheet put right in the end.
I'm seriously astonished at the fact you say God has no need to murder anyone, yet in this video it clearly lists in his own Bible, that he slaughtered a good 2 million.
But I was just merely making a point, you being arrogant and an idiot defending something with no evidence and believing in it, when you didn't read your own book trying to claim the Devil is an usurper when he doesn't even meet the definition if you read your book.
@Phaze252 In this same book God is said to be the giver and taker of life. What he takes he can also return. hence the resurrection of his son. Read Isaiha satan says "I shall put my kingdom above yours". In the above video is thought of mass assumption. When you stand a straw man and knock him down it is easy to decieve the gullable. God has no malice. I for one am not arrogant. I have been clinicly dead 3 times once for 15 minutes and we are not alone. I saw amazing things i can't forget.
@Phaze252 I was shown future events specific events and they all occured. The evidence for the existance of God is found even in the basics of good and evil. Love? Who made that up? faith, hope, peace, war, enmity, strife, starvation, etc. The devil is a false claiment to power. What little he has he stole. Jesus took it back in the ressurection, a serious dilema for the Romans. Let us continue this discussion. But, please no name calling. We can agree to disagree agreeably.
@Phaze252 As for the Romans they are recorded in history as dumbfounded when reports from Romans in judea came that they had seen Jesus alive. The Romans were efficient killers no doubt. Roman historians speak of this. The rapid rise of the church can only be explained in this way. No one dies for a lie a made up story. something was at work in these people. eventually destroying the worship of ceasar and extolling the worship of God.
How do you expect me to continue this conversation when you say you have had premonitions about events AND trying to twist history by saying the Romans were dumbfounded by seeing Jesus alive.
You have no evidence of your premonition of events and even if they were by God
Just as well,
You have no historical account of Jesus's existence.
And tons of people die for a lie, it's easy to do when you don't believe in reality.
@Phaze252 you are in error. Josephus the Roman historian speaks of the phenomina in his writings and it is also mentioned in other Roman sources as well. There are over 9000 documents that atest to the existence of Jesus. In greek liurature alone. The talmud has mention also of him as do copies of the midrash where attempts were made to explain his miracles. The jews are good historians. His mother mary is a documented temple virgin till age 12 and subsequent pregnancy and her passing the test.
@Phaze252 Not really! I design airplanes the concept is there first. When God said light be! Light was a concept that now had existed in the mind of God. Looking at how vast the universe is Light could come from a vast array of places and could exist as a stand alone concept. We allways think of light in a certain way. But we now know ther are various kinds of light some that we can not see.
The fact that he made light, even X-ray light, or Gamma radiation light first doesn't change the fact you need light from the visible spectrum for plants to grow.
You just break reality for God. I'm done.
Oh and about Jesus saying "Murder" I was referring to the 10 commandments, that seemingly punishable law. The fact Jesus came to correct it a few 1,000 years later shouldn't change the fact.
@Phaze252 Ultraviolet light, unseen by the human eye grows plants quite well. But what I am detecting from you is that you have a particular understanding of how the bible works. I believe that you have a literal idea of interpretation. The bible is not really written that way. It has several different themes of presentation one would not read the prodigal as literal it is a moral lesson. where as jesus rescue of the woman accused of adultery was meant to be presented as fact.
@Phaze252 Going slightly further The bible is being quoted by many as a scientific book. In my opinio it is not written for this purpose. But instead to illustrate to us a divine creator. As the book grows from beggining to end it developes from illiustration and contrasts to concrete events. But the purpose is allways to share with us the reality of a living God versus a wood one covered in Gold foil. Notice the 10 commandments are all about relationship to God and to others. you shall not kill
@Phaze252 Murder is the perfect Illustration of this. Lying stealing worship of false dieties all break relationship. For instance adultery breaks the intimacy of the marriage and proves deeply harmful. The creation story is about God creating a place for himself to live. The universe is a house that he has built. And he created man to reflect his Image in his creation. I suspect That the fundamentalists have messed this up to the point of dispare and will prove hard to bring back into line.
@Phaze252 Much like darwinian evolution is Fraught withh error It's being used to attack the existence of God which it can't do. All the while being the great pretender that puts a faith of nonexistence into the mind of the athieist When infact the six day creation shows that creation evolved in the mind of God and actually proves very simply the obvious point of his existence. I use evolution to prove God not to try to debunk him. evolution at best challeges the six day literacy not God himself
Evolution doesn't try to debunk God, nor does Science. Religion doesn't even exist in the eye of Science.
And the fact you said it's your opinion on what purpose the book is written for, does NOT mean a damn thing. I deal in facts and logic. God(s) is intangible, untestable and as far as I'm concerned and most other rational people, non-existent.
You believe him because you are, like I once was - A deluded idiot.
@mahoganyrush300 The places where Josephus mentioned Jesus and/or the walking dead have been shown to be medieval forgeries, added later to support the Bible.
@mahoganyrush300 I know who he is and when he wrote. I did not suggest that he wrote during the middle ages, but that additions were made to his writings by other people during the middle ages to try and support the Christ myth. YOU are the one who needs to go read history. Google it. In any event, he wrote long after the fact. Any mention of it would have been secondhand, and not proof of anything. Show me something that says I'm wrong.
@mhender668 Josephus lived from 37 to 100 AD. See wikipedia. His writing on jesus had to do with the jewish war and the destruction of jerusalem in 70 AD. Where the Romans besieged the city and trampled her down for 42 months as was profecied a few years earlier in the book of revelation. And by jesus in the book of John. There was no need to rewrite josephus and his history is well documented on more than just these events.
@mahoganyrush300 You get a B for finding an article, but you lost points for not citing the part relevant to our discussion. Now, I did make one mistake by saying that Josephus wrote about the walking dead after the resurrection. He didn't, which is really the point: why did he ignore that? And if you read the article you cited, there's a debate as the the authenticity of the sections naming Jesus. That's all I was saying.
@mhender668 I can't address the walking dead as I don't know what you are refering to. As for the debate. there are those whom deny the hollacost! hans zundel and james keegra come to mind. My father a WW2 ranger reamed the hell out of zundel at a function in regina sask. My dad was part of the liberation and saw it first hand. As for authenticity there are over 9000 greek documents from family letters to complete manuscripts of the new testament the document jesus life historicly.
@mhender668 The fact he was a real man is not denied by any true historian worth his salt.The catacombs in Roman are loaded with writings carved in the walls. Along with paintings and other evidence of the believers being persecuted during nero's riegn. Scenes of the crucifixtion and so much more. Every university teaches homer yet there is no volume of evidence for it in greek liturature that comes close to the evidence for jesus and the four gosples that ducument his historicity.
@mahoganyrush300 "The fact he was a real man is not denied by any true historian worth his salt.The catacombs in Roman are loaded with writings carved in the walls. Along with paintings and other evidence of the believers being persecuted during nero's riegn. Scenes of the crucifixtion and so much more."
You're mistaking evidence for Christianity with evidence for Jesus. It's a fact that there is no evidence of Jesus himself that does not lead back to people taking the gospels as.. well gospel
@mahoganyrush300 The problem is of course that the gospels don't "document his historicity" at all. They are political works that each have their own religious agenda, their own Jesus and even attempt to argue for Jesus role as a messiah through contradictory, and consequently made up, stories of what Jesus did to relate him to OT prophecies. When historians still say "he" existed, they are talking about "a guy inspiring the stories in some way". Not that magical Jeebus walked the earth.
@mahoganyrush300 It's worth mentioning that scholars have a vested interest in not treating the gospel authors as the utter liars that they are and flat out stating that we have no reason to take them seriously. Instead they embark on a search for "the historical Jesus", which will always be a nonsensical project because it involves nothing but weighing the contradictory claims of liars against each other. You forgot to mention the huge number of forgeries and alternative versions of the gospels
@mahoganyrush300 Not to mention all the gospels and letters that never made it into the bible, because they were deemed heretical. Such as the writings of the gnostics. Taken together, all these traditions are so profoundly contradictory that it's no exaggeration to say the Jesus of the bible is a random sample of a pool of nonsense.
What you call "historians worth their salt" really are an embarrassment of western civilization. We don't discuss the "historical osiris" for a reason.
@mhender668 Josephus wrote during the events of the siege of jerusalem so was on top of the facts not long after the fact. he was dead 30 years later. We are still documenting ww2? Also both Jesus Mary her father and St josephs family line are found in the talmud. As they try to unravel who he is.
@TheGeneralCritic you did not make your children. They were created through biological function in turn created by the had of God, Whom having the power to take your life has the power to give it back. Hence the resurection of christ. You can not give life back to what ever you kill. God can.
@mahoganyrush300 Actually, yes, I did create my children. My seed connected with the egg of my wife, thus starting the biological processes needed to produce life. Adding God into the mix as somehow 'creating' those biological processes is not rational and goes against the principal of Occam's Razor (when you have two explanations for the same set of evidence, the explanation with the least amount of assumptions is to be preferred).
@TheGeneralCritic It is not rational to rule out The creator as you seek to do. The biological process has nothing to do with you except that you did not interrupt the known process. That the process is highly intricate in nature is understood by all. Occams razor is not by any means irrefutable logic and is of no relavence to this thought. your intercourse with your wife is pro creative not creative it has little to nothing to do with you. you have zero genetic control.
christians will forgive god for everything like cancer, hurricanes and stuff, and they just go, well.... god works in mysterious ways. what's mysterious about acting like an ass?
KILLTACULAR!!!!
schafler21 18 hours ago
What is a Christians response to these murders? God gave life and can take it. Complete idiots. Brainwashed for life and that's the sad part. Thank you for making ma free thinker!
Horneyorphan 6 days ago
M-M-M-M MONSTER KILL
Defenders0fCreation 1 week ago
There are some few Christians, the Westboro Baptist Church, in America that have understood gods message in the bible and and taken it to the heart and now spread the "happy words" that gods hate all of use. The funny thing is that the majority of Christians get upset about the real truth about their god and denies it - upset and denial only because they want to cling to their beliefs of their loving Jesus, just as children cling to their favorite toy and start to cry whenever it is taken away.
jomen112 2 weeks ago
@jomen112 "The existence of satanic cults is good news to us. Because it means that people out there have read the entire bible, and fully believe it. They've bought into all of the church's teachings, and have come to the rational and logical conclusion- *tears off robes, revealing leather vests, pants, and sexy as all shit women clinging to his legs*- to go with the other guy! \m/"
-Penn Jillette
Penn and Teller's Bullshit: Excorcism
hydrall9 1 week ago
This "God" character could learn a lot from Batman.
hydrall9 2 weeks ago
also, the pestilence sent based on David's sin was actually because he took a census and didn't give god a half-sheckle beforehand. lol.
MadBasstid 1 month ago
clearly god is an anti-semite.
MadBasstid 1 month ago
slight correction at 0:32- Lot's daughters actually raped him while he was sleeping. lol.
MadBasstid 1 month ago
I keep the bible in a pool of blood so that none of it's lies can affect me
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If Jesus is the god of the Old Testament, as Christians so often like to assert, then it was Jesus himself who commited all of the murders and attrocities listed in this video clip.
So much for 'gentle Jesus meek and mild'.
dingodavid 1 month ago
I accidentally got into an arguemnt with some deluded Christian outsides Edinburghs Telford College today. Needless to say he dug his own grave, admitting to being homophobic, denying Gods murders and going round in circles, dodging several questions, denying science in it's entirely, contradicting himself and clearly lying.
Stupid cunt, typical Christian and completely embarrassed himself. He ran away and I stood there smug as fuck.
PeterR132 1 month ago
@PeterR132 u the man.
mrobliviousjoe 1 month ago
Because love= fear of being killed by a war god.
TheDreadedlife 2 months ago in playlist More videos from Aelius79
Holy book. LMAO. That is too funny. It is the book that is full of holes.
Pigroota 2 months ago
God is more evil than the devil
Metal1998 2 months ago 14
O.o Bloody Camper
cm3007235 2 months ago
They forgot to mention the deaths due to God's impact on people. Many have died in the name of God, and have gone to war in the name of God. They murder tons of people and use God to justify it. Often, both sides believe in different gods, so in the end, one of the gods are going to let them down, which would show God wanted them to die, or that it does not exist.
The idea of God has caused so much harm, but people who believe push the bad aside as "God's will", and I find that to be wrong.
iXaos7 2 months ago
@Lubotsulat first of all dude, let me ask you something, are you present that time when God ordered moses to kill those people? your insane man, we don't know exactly what happen back then.God doesn't have to intervene to us just to prove he is the powerful being. just for us to see in order us to believe. that's not how it should be
dname1000 2 months ago
@dname1000 Lol you'd be pissing off alot of christians by what you said cause theres alot that believe and say god talk to them and the bible is the word so yea try saying that to a hardcore christian cause they even think the world is flat : )
a084123 2 months ago
No wonder Satan rebelled against him....Satan was actually the good guy.
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I'm spreading the word: If anyone out there still has an old copy of "Deities & Demigods," dig it out and look at the illustration credits. You'll find the name "Jeff Dee." That's this same Jeff Dee.
gspendlove 3 months ago
/watch?v=E6j3yThfxxk&feature=channel_video_title This is a video series about what music is good according to God. Atheists please go there and hit the dislike button.
lasoogneypubes 3 months ago
atheist think again... i think your the one who doesn't know what your doing. you trying to find the truth for what? what will you gain? can't you just live your life the way you want it and stop doing this nonsense were you don't where this leads you at the end, for me its more sounds better.
dname1000 3 months ago
it only show that atheist have different statement. some atheist say god killed this some atheist say god don't exist. i think atheist are more confuse that those christian that they say are confuse and believing to god which a killer.. err.. don't exist..i mean a killer... uhmm i'm confuse anyway that's what atheist said... fucking atheist who are not consistent to what they say...
dname1000 3 months ago
i think this speaker is the believer of the bible coz he actually believe what's written ther coz if for him god killed those people and he is against then don't believe, just like that. sometimes atheist confuse me. u see, just to have an evidence that christian are in the wrong path, he's telling this story. but i thought atheist believe god don't exist so it was not god who did those thing. think about it mr. fucking stupid speaker!!!!
dname1000 3 months ago
i think this speaker is the believer of the bible coz he actually believe what's written ther coz if for him god killed those people and he is against then don't believe, just like that. sometimes atheist confuse me. u see, just to have an evidence that christian are in the wrong path, he's telling this story. but i thought atheist believe god don't exist so it was not god who did those thing. think about it mr. fucking stupid speaker!!!!
dname1000 3 months ago
@dname1000 No, the speaker does not actually believe that the events listed in the Bible occurred. Well, there is some debate over what may have really happened, like maybe some of the deaths really occurred, but the speaker definitely does not believe they were caused by Yahweh, but instead by natural circumstances that tribes then chose to interpret as punishment/justice. I personally am relieved that most of this stupid crap did not happen.
barennis 3 months ago
@barennis then why this speaker keep using the event in the bible against the christian? ther's no use and its stupid to give time to this crap.if the christian believe it then let them,its their belief, they live with it. so the speaker believe in yahweh? holy crap, yahweh is also god interpreted by other religion,atheist doesnt believe god exist,really fucking idiot! of course people back then interpret it as a punishment to them by god,there was no education that time.
dname1000 3 months ago
@barennis in our time today, we should be the one who understand this, coz we're lucky that we have a good education that should use in the right way and stop blaming god. god has nothing to do with it,we don't even know what he look like, we don't know how he talk, all in all we have no idea about God. god is good. but some stupid people keep trying finding the truth.they'll die still don't find the truth. stupid!!
dname1000 3 months ago
@barennis there is God. but the problem is, we don't know him. and knowing him is not about showing up in flesh or he talk to us or he turned the stone to bread. just to be good and god is with us, just that.. nothing else, don't request of anything. our needs will come if we work hard for it, god will not give it to us by magic. coz most of stupid person will request to god and if they not receive anything on time (LoL :)) they will blame god, that is bullshiit!!!
dname1000 3 months ago
this stupid speaker is stupid, i don't kno if he knows what he's talking about. he keep saying god kill this people.wow that's absurd for a story only because it is in the bible.that's how he understood the bible.how can i talk to this speakr so that i will tell him personally how stupid he is. so fucking stupid guy,killing done by human,cursing s done by human. there are thing's that happen we could not explain, you come to our province ther r witches i can say practice something unexplainable.
dname1000 3 months ago
the point is, there is no reason to talk about god. let the atheist talk about what they want coz you can not change them, JUST STOP CALLING TO THEM. there is no reason to be genius or giving the best answer about their question. let the atheist do want they want to do for crying out loud. i'm still a catholic and it doesn't change anything..lol
bonnrabida 3 months ago
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barennis 3 months ago
@bonnrabida so you're not bothered by the supposed fact that your god killed a bunch of people for ridiculous reasons? Really? You worship that? Can you take yourself seriously as an ethical person? Your god is as mature as a five year-old and as violent as a sadist. But I guess you rationalize that by pointing out how great Yahweh is because he helped you ace a test in school.....while ignoring children being raped apparently - but no he had time to answer your stupid little prayers.
barennis 3 months ago
@barennis you see dude i don't know how to rate your stupidity. let me explain to you, you said that my god killed bunch of people for ridiculous reason? are you there in the scene when it was happened? can you define to me how my god killed those people? how does god look like? define to me fucking stupid asshole!! don't reason out that there was a follower of god who did this crime coz according to your statement it was my god who did it. your as stupid as the speaker in this show.
dname1000 3 months ago
@barennis you see i'm not bothered, first of all coz i'm not stupid like you, second,ther is no fucking reason to be bothered.give me solid evidence that my god killed those people.and killing are done by a human,not by god. and if a certain person would tell that i heard voice from above and told me to kill hundred people i would do so coz i kno it comes from god. you're fucking insane if you listen to that. you know yourself you can't kill why would you kill.your not making any sense STUPID!
dname1000 3 months ago
@barennis let me tell you these, i don't deny the fact that in my religion there are stupid believer, that some of them gone out of their head, that they hear voice of god, because the bible said so. because it was written in the bible we have to kill so i will follow. for me its stupid, but then i can't something about it, but if killing is involve i would make an action coz that's for a belief already. god gave us free will to use it in the right way.
dname1000 3 months ago
@dname1000 So it does not seem that Moses had "free will" in ordering his army to pillage and take "women-children" (which means prepubescent females - your god has serious issues) because Yahweh was ordering Moses. It was an order! And if you choose to just ignore that detail in the Bible, what makes you choose to accept the claims made elsewhere in the Bible? If the Bible is wrong anywhere, it is not the "perfect word of God". You are ignoring the Bible where it says "God commanded Moses".
barennis 3 months ago
@barennis who says the bible is the perfect word of God, there is no perfect word of God. the problem with us human, we will write something about a certain person and then it will be pass by generation and of course some of the detail will be change, its like rumors or gossip, and then the whole story change. the truth is we don't know exactly what happen back then that's why we can not just believe what's written in the bible,we just have to believe ourselves if we encounter it personally.
dname1000 3 months ago
@barennis God is asking us to become saint or holy, he just want us to be human, we can not rely our life in past event.we rely on what is in the present. God only want is for us to be good. God doesnt like killing. for me if that's really happen, i'll be against to moses.but that doesnt mean i will turned into an atheist. coz atheist people i can say are confused people.they tried to find the thruth in which they are not obligating to do so. maybe hobby is ok. lol
dname1000 3 months ago
@barennis that is bullshit you fucking moron!!! moses only use god for his own intention. god didn't ordered him to kill those people. who talk to the army to kill the people? its moses right, its not god himself talk to the army or to moses. example,let say people now are ignorant, i will kill this kid because i heard god talk to me and it is god himself told me to kill this boy. would u believe me? no, right.
dname1000 3 months ago
@dname1000
So, you're saying the Bible is wrong?
AntitheistPOV 3 months ago
@dname1000 And the lord ordered moses,take vengeance on the Midianites for the Children of Israel.Numbers 31,God certainly ordered it,if moses just used God,then why would God allow mass genocide of the midianites in his name?.
Lubotsulat 3 months ago
@barennis i think you're the one bothered and has a problem not me, don't bothered me and i think you have a problem in your mentality, you better see a doctor before you end up in the mental hospital, really i'm serious. go see a doctor now before its to late for u. dumb ass!!
dname1000 3 months ago
@dname1000 I have scheduled an appointment with a psychiatrist and will update you on the results after the evaluation. Now, as for your other protestations: It says in the Bible "God commanded", pretty explicitly. It does not give the reader any indication that for example, Moses was doing his own thing when ordering his army to keep "women-children" for themselves after slaughtering their families in front of these kids' eyes (Numbers 31). The Bible says "God spoke to Moses and ordered this".
barennis 3 months ago
@barennis bwahaha!! and you actually believe that?!! your are so stupid if you believe that God actually spoke to moses. that's so funny!!! let me ask you something, in our time, have you heard someone claiming God talking to them. you truly are insane.i'm a catholic but i don't believe with this about moses.i'm not that stupid.there is no such thing, i duno what exactly happen at the period of moses coz i was not there, and person who wrote the bible not god himself.
dname1000 3 months ago
@barennis and it intrigue me that you believe this, with what god told to moses (slaughtering the people) and it seems you know exactly the detail. this is why it is intriguing for me, your an atheist, you don't believe that God exist, Bible, for you, also doesn't exist then why u keep using this story in the bible.you are telling that God is a killer because he told moses to kill this people.For you, there is no God right, there is no moses, there is no jesus.
dname1000 3 months ago
@barennis according to u, it seems that now God exist, jesus exist, moses exist. bible is true. although your interpretation is, God is a killer, right. but atheist don't believe in this. are you all atheist have a problem in the brain. you know what i think you are all crazy. atheist are crazy people. fuck it!!
dname1000 3 months ago
now that i think about it, god has killed more people than satan, yeah so much for "thou shall not kill"
MrFloatingrock 3 months ago
Omg funniest opening ever!!!!
(clears throat) Tally of people God has killed starting with...
EVERYONE ON THE ENTIRE PLANET
conman2317 4 months ago 4
I love all the hosts from A.E. but Jeff is my favorite!
flatpat 4 months ago
I thought this was atheist explerience, not agnostic experience
oscarmarin1995 4 months ago in playlist Andoverstage's favorites
@oscarmarin1995
They are atheist in the sense that
Theist = someone who believes in God(s)
A-theist ( note the prefix A, not or without ) = someone who does not believe in god(s)
Saying that they are agnostic does not answer the question wether they beleive or not, since you can be an agnositc theist / atheist.
Turha101 4 months ago
@Turha101 Mother nature is atheisms god. Atheism is faitheism.
oscarmarin1995 4 months ago
@oscarmarin1995
Oh i see, you are just trolling, since otherwise that would just be silly.
In case you are not trolling.
What are you on? Atheism and ''mother nature'' has nothing to do with each other, neiter does atheism and ''faithesin'' ( whatever that means )
Also atheism cant have a God, since then it would not be atheism, but rather theism.
Turha101 4 months ago
@Turha101 Okay so mather nature doesn't have a mind or a will. But you think mother nature made itself.
I said faitheism
oscarmarin1995 4 months ago
@oscarmarin1995
Did i say that this thing you call mother nature made itself? No.
You said that mother nature is atheism God, i pointed out how that sentanse is flawd, i did not make any claim on how this mother nature thing got here, or if it has a will / mind.
Please tell me how this faitheism = atheism.
The definitions i found of it, would have it that faitheism =/= atheism.
I found the whole word to be messed up.
Turha101 4 months ago
@Turha101 If you think there is no God, then you think everything that is natural made itself.
Faitheism is the belief God doesn't exist and that material answers are always right.
oscarmarin1995 4 months ago
@oscarmarin1995
Wrong.
Atheist would be able to think that magical pixies made everything for an example, as long as it does not involve a deity / God, it is no problem.
My personal answer would be that i dont know.
Then faitheism is not = atheism
Even if you went by the less popular definition ( which i find to be innaccurate ) the belief that God does not exist, it does not include that material answers are always right.
Sorry but you are simply wrong.
Turha101 4 months ago
@Turha101 Alright well, I'm sorry. I shouldn't be trying to trample on your disbelief, I just don't understand it and I don't like it when atheists trample on my belief. Have a good day
oscarmarin1995 4 months ago
@oscarmarin1995
I understand why it would anoy you, when your beliefs get trampled on, but dont forget, that there are many people out there who also mock atheism, so the mocking goes both ways.
Now what about atheism do you not understand / have questions about? I could try to answer them if you want.
Turha101 3 months ago
This is amazing, I am glad I can to watch AE in Little Rock.. makes me want to move to Austin, though!
protegechris 4 months ago
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Who is the World's Best Scientist? = 2034 (clock gematria)
What is the Number of Yehoshua HaMashiach? = 2340 (clock gem.)
The World's Best Scientist's Number = 2280 (english gematria)
What is the Number of Yehoshua HaMashiach = 2280 (english gematria)
\The Worlds Best Scientist = 306 (reverse english)
-->3:06 PM = 15:06 (God = 156 /english gem)
What is Yeshua's Number? = 1506 (english gematria)
The Number of God = 306 (Jewish Gematria)
--->3:06 PM = 15:06
ClockNumerology 4 months ago
Awesome!You guys Believe in God and the Bible!That's fantastic!If you didn't,There would be no need to post this rediculous video.
azal1961 4 months ago
I don't believe in any gods for exactly the same reason that I don't believe in any leprechauns.
No evidence.
ndrthrdr1 4 months ago
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this video confuses murder with judgement against sin, normally against murder actually.
davemakesawave 5 months ago
wait wait wait.. i see videos on here where there is a big religious debate when there was no need for one and the very video that would call for one it is getting a political debate? I am so confused right now
beguiledmind 5 months ago
God is really good at Command and Conquer.
lasoogneypubes 5 months ago
God is the "great all loving faggot hater"
- Bo Burnham
googleboy314 5 months ago
"A man killed for collecting wood on the sabbath".. I lol'd god is clearly a troll
NecroDefain 5 months ago 35
@NecroDefain While the Israelites were in the desert, a man was discovered gathering wood on the Sabbath day. Those who caught him at it brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly. But they kept him in custody, for there was no clear decision as to what should be done with him. Then the Lord said to Moses, This man shall be put to death; let the whole community stone him outside the camp. So the whole community led him outside the camp and stoned him to death as the Lord had commanded
lasoogneypubes 2 months ago
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God is a spirit, an immaterial conscious being. All things in the universe consists of matter and/or energy, so if God isn't matter, is energy by definition. Energy is the capacity to do work, is eternal, omnipresent, wasn't created and can't be destroyed, can create matter, was the only thing present before the BB, and the energy required to make the universe must had been powerful. All these match Biblical descriptions of God. He wants us to elevate our consciousness to the next level, is real
dejesusluisx 5 months ago
I worship serial killers
LOGIC42369 5 months ago 20
@LOGIC42369 And yet Christians think Dexter is of the Devil. Heck, at least Dexter is morally selective about his victims.
Xanatos712 4 months ago
@LOGIC42369 Oh Jack the Ripper please save my mother from her disease.
moorg745 3 months ago
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managarm1349 5 months ago
Is god infinate?
phillippe72 6 months ago
Actually, God takes everyone's life???
It is not unjust for the creator and giver of life, to take life. On what grounds could we claim it to be unjust? How would you argue your case with God that you or someone else deserves a particular length of life? BTW murder and death an not interchangeable (as this guys seems to think). To prove murder you need to show that the actions were not justified beyond reasonable doubt.
marveymarker 6 months ago
@marveymarker i dare you to look a person in the eye and make this pathetic argument. seriously, dude.
topperheartramada 5 months ago
666 likes... lol.
Bluesboarder 6 months ago
you forgot the thousand thousand (1million) Ethiopians in Chronicles 14
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Here is the last and final of the websites, it conclusively ends all denial that God created the universe, yet still atheists refuse to worship God, only hell is the final abode of such people who refuse to worship the Creator and obey His commandments. h t t p : / / h a r u n y a h y a . c o m / e n . m _ c a t e g o r i e _ 7 6 . p h p
User100606 6 months ago
Here is another one of the websites w w w . f o o l i s h f a i t h . c o m /
User100606 6 months ago
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Here are a few websites for you to check out if you are an atheist who truly would want to see if proof of the existence of God exists, to save oneself from hell. h t t p : / / w w w . m i r a c l e s o f t h e q u r a n . c o m / i n d e x . p h p
User100606 6 months ago
I posted a question in a question-and-answer forum on the internet, and many atheists responded to the question "Atheists: Are you open to the possibility of the existence of God if someone tries to introduce scientific evidence proving the existence of God, or would you reject it on the principle of your belief that God/gods/goddesses do not exist?" Almost unanimously they responded by saying even if he existed they would not worship him, because he is a "hypocrite" some said "idiot."
User100606 6 months ago
@User100606 "Almost unanimously they responded by saying even if he existed they would not worship him, because he is a "hypocrite" some said "idiot.""
While that's actually not an answer to the question asked, I suspect atheists would unanimously also say that they would accept a gods existence given evidence. The question of worship is separate, and frankly, anyone who'd worship the demon of Abrahamic mythology is sick in the head. As demonstrated by this video.
Gnomefro 6 months ago
Atheism is a mental disorder for the fact that they reject scientific proof of the existence of God, refusing to even look into it simply because they claim "most scientists are atheists" and "if there were such evidence, there would be no atheist scientists." There are simple facts of life that many people deny and reject, having faith on whatever the majority are following just because the majority are following it is not scientific, even if your talking about "most scientists." Think about it
User100606 6 months ago
@User100606 "Atheism is a mental disorder for the fact that they reject scientific proof of the existence of God"
You're mistaking blatant assertion for "science". Harun Yahya is no scientist. His drivel has not led to any discovery or improvement of human understanding of nature. That is the single measure of quality that matters in science - and why your superstition is now irrelevant to anything related to human civilization.
Gnomefro 6 months ago
@Gnomefro When you used the word "drivel" I already knew you did have much to offer, as it is the mark of a close-minded person to automatically reject another person's point of view with such repetitive use of disparaging words, as you atheists are used to. I am waiting to come across an atheist, who isn't insanely mad and close-minded at the same time. Man atheists clearly reject any evidence shown to them, while some atheists take the chance of opening their mind to research the fact of God.
User100606 6 months ago
@Gnomefro Often talking to atheists, is like talking to someone who has nothing to offer but whining and complaining and mistaken assumptions about who is causing the problems in the world. Clearly religion is not the problem, it is sinful and faithless people like atheists, seriously look up the facts of how many millions of INNOCENT people died and received injuries at the hands of insane atheists. All civilizations believe in ONE God, even those that seem polytheist actually venerate one God.
User100606 6 months ago
@User100606 your holy book is not evidence (read it for once)
God is not a fact there has actually never been any proof of god (isn't that why he requires faith)
and no one has ever killed in the name of atheism (because its a non-belief)
Frederico99er 6 months ago
@Frederico99er You atheists are retarded little children when you say people have killed in the name of religion. Where? I dare you to prove me without a doubt that someone has ever killed in the name of religion. Of course atheists have killed in the name of atheism, have you not read the history of the Bolshevik revolution? Did you ignore the millions of deaths during the Bolshevik revolution, yet get all fired up about your fantasies of people killing in the name of religion?
User100606 6 months ago
@User100606 you don't think people have ever killed in the name of religion? do you know any history at all? may i remind you of the inquistion, the crusades, Constantine's reign, the salem witch trials, 9/11. did u forget about those? and the bolshevik revolution was initiated by the Russian poor class to overthrow the oppressive russian czar Nicholas II, atheism had nothing to do w/ it
Frederico99er 6 months ago
@Frederico99er The inquisition, was punishment of law breakers, same thing with the Salem witch trials. If you don't like the law, then move out, that is what many Jews did BEFORE the inquisition, there were warnings ahead of time. The crusades were simply an extension of the historical dominance of Rome over Palestine/Judea, a battle for land and resources. Same thing with 9/11, it was an American plan to win oil contracts in Iraq as well as secure the pipeline in Afghanistan.
User100606 6 months ago
@Frederico99er The pipeline project was first proposed by UNOCAL, and that is how Hamid Karzai was picked to be the American puppet in Afghanistan, his only credential was being a former emplyoee of UNOCAL. Same thing with Condeleeza Rice, she got involved through corporate links with Bush and his family. It's all about money, it has nothing to do with religion. Seriously you need to look into these things to increase your level of awareness. Religion only heightens this desire to seek the truth
User100606 6 months ago
@User100606 the "laws" during the inquistion were that u had to convert to christianity and those who didnt we either killed or had to leave so yes religion was the reason for the inquisition. the 'laws" during the Salem witch trials that u mention were against commiting a pack with the devil which again involves religion. the Crusades were initiated by the pope to do "god's work" and reclaim the holy land from the muslims
Frederico99er 6 months ago
@User100606 and even if the pope was lying about his intentions the soldiers themselves (many of them volunteers) participated in the Crusades because they thought they were doing god's will, again religion plays apart in that. and about 9/11 america had nothing to do with it and it had nothing to do w/ Iraq it was all about al qaeda and afghanistan who declared a jihad (holy war) against america (the great Satan) and terrorists who flew the planes into the world trade center did it becasue they
Frederico99er 6 months ago
@User100606 believed they were being martyrs for allah and would be sent to heaven for their 72 virgins by doing so, so there again showed religion had a role. and about these so called oil contracts i dare you to find a shred of evidence that shows that oil came to america from iraq
Frederico99er 6 months ago
@Frederico99er Watch the documentary Fahreheit 9/11 and research the references within that documentary for proof of American oil corporations benefiting from majority oil contracts being given to American oil corporations. Also look up "Halliburton," and it's involvement in Iraq and the corruption and embezzlement of American tax-payer money, Dick Cheney and Bush and other members of their administration's direct links to Halliburton. I gave you a few hints and a starting point, do research.
User100606 6 months ago
@Frederico99er Watch the documentary Fahrenheit 9/11 and research the references within that documentary for proof of American oil corporations benefiting from majority oil contracts being given to American oil corporations. Also look up "Halliburton," and it's involvement in Iraq and the corruption and embezzlement of American tax-payer money, Dick Cheney and Bush and other members of their administration's direct links to Halliburton. I gave you a few hints and a starting point, do research.
User100606 6 months ago
@Frederico99er Also FBI director Robert Mueller said in a press conference that 9 of the 19 suspected hi-jackers are no longer suspects. Also Osama bin Laden is not wanted on the FBI website for 9/11 because there is no evidence linking Osama bin Laden to 9/11. Also when the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were attacked in 1999, Osama bin Laden was blamed by Clinton, and in an interview with Chris Wallace he said that he planned to attack Afghanistan, but the CIA and FBI refused to certify
User100606 6 months ago
@Frederico99er that Osama bin Laden was responsible, because they had NO EVIDENCE. Also Former Israeli Mossad foreign intelligence agent Victor Ostrovsky details in his books of how when he was in the Israeli Mossad spy agency, that he overlooked operations in which identification documents were stolen from innocent Arabs and then planted in such ways to falsely incriminate them in terrorist attacks that he was a part of. He even details how the Israeli Mossad did the attacks blamed on Libya.
User100606 6 months ago
@User100606 u do know that Michael Moore misrepresented most of the facts he brings up in Fahrenheit 9/11, right? Its not a legitimate source to use.
Frederico99er 6 months ago
@User100606 just about every 3rd world country
SHADOWICED11 6 months ago
@User100606 What proof is there? I don't claim all scientists are atheists. Many Christians can be just as good scientists as an atheist. Christian Fundamentalists, however, who believe the earth is 6,000 years old can not be good scientists. So I ask you: Do you have proof?
moorg745 3 months ago
Just as it is OK in war to kill an enemy army that is attacking you, similarly it is OK for God to wipe out all the evil people He sees spreading on Earth and eating up the precious few and persecuting them for not surrendering their faith. It is a proven fact that only those with faith cherish freedom. Atheism is such a mental disorder, that the one inflicted by it goes out of their way to do evil things to others out of anger, even to the point of persecuting, you truly do need God to stop sin
User100606 6 months ago
@User100606
Not sure if trolling or just really stupid...
TheManperson 6 months ago
@User100606 "Atheism is such a mental disorder, that the one inflicted by it goes out of their way to do evil things to others out of anger, even to the point of persecuting, "
You mean like 9/11 and other instances of suicide bombing? Or are you talking about early Islamic imperialism?
Gnomefro 6 months ago
@User100606 "Just as it is OK in war to kill an enemy army that is attacking you, similarly it is OK for God to wipe out all the evil people He sees spreading on Earth and eating up the precious few and persecuting them for not surrendering their faith."
Islam is a global imperialistic phenomena that have been slaughtering infidels en-masse. Seeing yourself as victims is simply delusional beyond belief. As is the idea that it's moral to kill people for not believing things without evidence.
Gnomefro 6 months ago
@User100606 What is sin? It seems to just be a word that the bible made up for things it doesn't like. Why aren't you killing evil people then if it's ok?
moorg745 3 months ago
Quote God: "Hitler was a faggot"
robandre1 6 months ago
I think the people that were killed were atheists since they have no use in the Kingdom of Heaven.
ikawpipa 6 months ago
I never get tired of watching arrogant god believers get their faces rubbed in their own stupidity!
If you really believe in something that is there, it’s delusion.
If you see something that isn’t there, it’s hallucination.
Both are mental illnesses!
Religion is a mental illness.
Ignorance abd stupidity is forgivable until it becomes a guiding principle!
cliffo1950 6 months ago
@mahoganyrush300
"creation evolved in the mind of God and actually proves very simply the obvious point of his existence"
This is of course true, because the bible tells us so, is infallible, and is entirely true - because the entity which it writes into existence says so.
Rinse and repeat.
Your holy texts are pretty good as toilet paper.
PurplePeopleEater4 6 months ago
If you're ever looking for a hitman...
Lizardwarrior1 6 months ago
By the way. It is God that defines murder as a human taking human life with malice a forthought. God is not human. What makes you a mear mortal able to decide that all which dies is murder on the part of God. Oh thy judge, judge thyself for oh the tangled web ye weave when you first practice to decieve.
mahoganyrush300 7 months ago
@mahoganyrush300
God has commanded me to kill you.
I think the court will set me free if I follow through right? It's not murder, it's an act of God.
Phaze252 6 months ago
@Phaze252 God has said You must not commit murder. Murder is the taking of human life with malice aforethought. Murder isn't just killing. Murder is in essence a characterization of the killer. His intent is clear he is malicious. God has not commanded you to kill anyone. Nor me. But, If you were to try I would use all means available to stop you. This is called self defence. I need not kill you. but, I might have to, to stop you. No malice no evil intent. mere self preservation.
mahoganyrush300 6 months ago
@mahoganyrush300
Oh and I must correct an earlier point that I just caught.
God said thou shall not kill.
Murder is not the word used, and I'm not one for taking something given by a God in an actual text metaphorical, figurative or fungible.
If he can't be literal who can?
Phaze252 6 months ago
@Phaze252 When Jesus a rabbi quotes the text in mathew he uses the term murder.
mahoganyrush300 6 months ago
@Phaze252 You taking another human life and calling it an act of God is purely foolish. God did not act, you did! God is not a malicious malcontent. He has no need to murder anyone. Death did not come into the world by God but by an userper we call the devil. Unfortunately God has inherited this problem and will work justly and fairly and the balance sheet put right in the end.
mahoganyrush300 6 months ago
@mahoganyrush300
I'm seriously astonished at the fact you say God has no need to murder anyone, yet in this video it clearly lists in his own Bible, that he slaughtered a good 2 million.
But I was just merely making a point, you being arrogant and an idiot defending something with no evidence and believing in it, when you didn't read your own book trying to claim the Devil is an usurper when he doesn't even meet the definition if you read your book.
Phaze252 6 months ago
@Phaze252 In this same book God is said to be the giver and taker of life. What he takes he can also return. hence the resurrection of his son. Read Isaiha satan says "I shall put my kingdom above yours". In the above video is thought of mass assumption. When you stand a straw man and knock him down it is easy to decieve the gullable. God has no malice. I for one am not arrogant. I have been clinicly dead 3 times once for 15 minutes and we are not alone. I saw amazing things i can't forget.
mahoganyrush300 6 months ago
@Phaze252 I was shown future events specific events and they all occured. The evidence for the existance of God is found even in the basics of good and evil. Love? Who made that up? faith, hope, peace, war, enmity, strife, starvation, etc. The devil is a false claiment to power. What little he has he stole. Jesus took it back in the ressurection, a serious dilema for the Romans. Let us continue this discussion. But, please no name calling. We can agree to disagree agreeably.
mahoganyrush300 6 months ago
@Phaze252 As for the Romans they are recorded in history as dumbfounded when reports from Romans in judea came that they had seen Jesus alive. The Romans were efficient killers no doubt. Roman historians speak of this. The rapid rise of the church can only be explained in this way. No one dies for a lie a made up story. something was at work in these people. eventually destroying the worship of ceasar and extolling the worship of God.
mahoganyrush300 6 months ago
@mahoganyrush300
How do you expect me to continue this conversation when you say you have had premonitions about events AND trying to twist history by saying the Romans were dumbfounded by seeing Jesus alive.
You have no evidence of your premonition of events and even if they were by God
Just as well,
You have no historical account of Jesus's existence.
And tons of people die for a lie, it's easy to do when you don't believe in reality.
Phaze252 6 months ago
@Phaze252 you are in error. Josephus the Roman historian speaks of the phenomina in his writings and it is also mentioned in other Roman sources as well. There are over 9000 documents that atest to the existence of Jesus. In greek liurature alone. The talmud has mention also of him as do copies of the midrash where attempts were made to explain his miracles. The jews are good historians. His mother mary is a documented temple virgin till age 12 and subsequent pregnancy and her passing the test.
mahoganyrush300 6 months ago
@mahoganyrush300
Josephus, the one who also wrote about James the Just and whose writings on Jesus are still being debated over authenticity?
But I did look into other objects and can say he existed.
However, him being miraculous and the son of god? That is untenable.
The Talmud mentions him wrongly, And Midrash is simply a Bible interpretation.
The Jews aren't that good at keeping record, otherwise Genesis wouldn't be as it is. He made light before the sun? Sounds odd for a meticulous Jew.
Phaze252 6 months ago
@Phaze252 Not really! I design airplanes the concept is there first. When God said light be! Light was a concept that now had existed in the mind of God. Looking at how vast the universe is Light could come from a vast array of places and could exist as a stand alone concept. We allways think of light in a certain way. But we now know ther are various kinds of light some that we can not see.
mahoganyrush300 6 months ago
@mahoganyrush300
I'm arguing with you hopelessly.
The fact that he made light, even X-ray light, or Gamma radiation light first doesn't change the fact you need light from the visible spectrum for plants to grow.
You just break reality for God. I'm done.
Oh and about Jesus saying "Murder" I was referring to the 10 commandments, that seemingly punishable law. The fact Jesus came to correct it a few 1,000 years later shouldn't change the fact.
Phaze252 6 months ago
@Phaze252 Ultraviolet light, unseen by the human eye grows plants quite well. But what I am detecting from you is that you have a particular understanding of how the bible works. I believe that you have a literal idea of interpretation. The bible is not really written that way. It has several different themes of presentation one would not read the prodigal as literal it is a moral lesson. where as jesus rescue of the woman accused of adultery was meant to be presented as fact.
mahoganyrush300 6 months ago
@Phaze252 Going slightly further The bible is being quoted by many as a scientific book. In my opinio it is not written for this purpose. But instead to illustrate to us a divine creator. As the book grows from beggining to end it developes from illiustration and contrasts to concrete events. But the purpose is allways to share with us the reality of a living God versus a wood one covered in Gold foil. Notice the 10 commandments are all about relationship to God and to others. you shall not kill
mahoganyrush300 6 months ago
@Phaze252 Murder is the perfect Illustration of this. Lying stealing worship of false dieties all break relationship. For instance adultery breaks the intimacy of the marriage and proves deeply harmful. The creation story is about God creating a place for himself to live. The universe is a house that he has built. And he created man to reflect his Image in his creation. I suspect That the fundamentalists have messed this up to the point of dispare and will prove hard to bring back into line.
mahoganyrush300 6 months ago
@Phaze252 Much like darwinian evolution is Fraught withh error It's being used to attack the existence of God which it can't do. All the while being the great pretender that puts a faith of nonexistence into the mind of the athieist When infact the six day creation shows that creation evolved in the mind of God and actually proves very simply the obvious point of his existence. I use evolution to prove God not to try to debunk him. evolution at best challeges the six day literacy not God himself
mahoganyrush300 6 months ago
@mahoganyrush300
My last points.
Evolution doesn't try to debunk God, nor does Science. Religion doesn't even exist in the eye of Science.
And the fact you said it's your opinion on what purpose the book is written for, does NOT mean a damn thing. I deal in facts and logic. God(s) is intangible, untestable and as far as I'm concerned and most other rational people, non-existent.
You believe him because you are, like I once was - A deluded idiot.
Now stop defending God. He's big enough.
Phaze252 6 months ago
@mahoganyrush300 The places where Josephus mentioned Jesus and/or the walking dead have been shown to be medieval forgeries, added later to support the Bible.
mhender668 6 months ago
@mhender668 Untrue better go back and review your history. Josephus is well known before medieval history. And his writings survive to this day.
mahoganyrush300 6 months ago
@mahoganyrush300 I know who he is and when he wrote. I did not suggest that he wrote during the middle ages, but that additions were made to his writings by other people during the middle ages to try and support the Christ myth. YOU are the one who needs to go read history. Google it. In any event, he wrote long after the fact. Any mention of it would have been secondhand, and not proof of anything. Show me something that says I'm wrong.
mhender668 6 months ago
@mhender668 Josephus lived from 37 to 100 AD. See wikipedia. His writing on jesus had to do with the jewish war and the destruction of jerusalem in 70 AD. Where the Romans besieged the city and trampled her down for 42 months as was profecied a few years earlier in the book of revelation. And by jesus in the book of John. There was no need to rewrite josephus and his history is well documented on more than just these events.
mahoganyrush300 6 months ago
@mahoganyrush300 You get a B for finding an article, but you lost points for not citing the part relevant to our discussion. Now, I did make one mistake by saying that Josephus wrote about the walking dead after the resurrection. He didn't, which is really the point: why did he ignore that? And if you read the article you cited, there's a debate as the the authenticity of the sections naming Jesus. That's all I was saying.
mhender668 6 months ago
@mhender668 I can't address the walking dead as I don't know what you are refering to. As for the debate. there are those whom deny the hollacost! hans zundel and james keegra come to mind. My father a WW2 ranger reamed the hell out of zundel at a function in regina sask. My dad was part of the liberation and saw it first hand. As for authenticity there are over 9000 greek documents from family letters to complete manuscripts of the new testament the document jesus life historicly.
mahoganyrush300 6 months ago
@mhender668 The fact he was a real man is not denied by any true historian worth his salt.The catacombs in Roman are loaded with writings carved in the walls. Along with paintings and other evidence of the believers being persecuted during nero's riegn. Scenes of the crucifixtion and so much more. Every university teaches homer yet there is no volume of evidence for it in greek liturature that comes close to the evidence for jesus and the four gosples that ducument his historicity.
mahoganyrush300 6 months ago
@mahoganyrush300 "The fact he was a real man is not denied by any true historian worth his salt.The catacombs in Roman are loaded with writings carved in the walls. Along with paintings and other evidence of the believers being persecuted during nero's riegn. Scenes of the crucifixtion and so much more."
You're mistaking evidence for Christianity with evidence for Jesus. It's a fact that there is no evidence of Jesus himself that does not lead back to people taking the gospels as.. well gospel
Gnomefro 6 months ago
@mahoganyrush300 The problem is of course that the gospels don't "document his historicity" at all. They are political works that each have their own religious agenda, their own Jesus and even attempt to argue for Jesus role as a messiah through contradictory, and consequently made up, stories of what Jesus did to relate him to OT prophecies. When historians still say "he" existed, they are talking about "a guy inspiring the stories in some way". Not that magical Jeebus walked the earth.
Gnomefro 6 months ago
@mahoganyrush300 It's worth mentioning that scholars have a vested interest in not treating the gospel authors as the utter liars that they are and flat out stating that we have no reason to take them seriously. Instead they embark on a search for "the historical Jesus", which will always be a nonsensical project because it involves nothing but weighing the contradictory claims of liars against each other. You forgot to mention the huge number of forgeries and alternative versions of the gospels
Gnomefro 6 months ago
@mahoganyrush300 Not to mention all the gospels and letters that never made it into the bible, because they were deemed heretical. Such as the writings of the gnostics. Taken together, all these traditions are so profoundly contradictory that it's no exaggeration to say the Jesus of the bible is a random sample of a pool of nonsense.
What you call "historians worth their salt" really are an embarrassment of western civilization. We don't discuss the "historical osiris" for a reason.
Gnomefro 6 months ago
@mhender668 N T wright is an historian that has written extensively on early Christianity you can follow his lectures on you tube.
mahoganyrush300 6 months ago
@mhender668 Josephus wrote during the events of the siege of jerusalem so was on top of the facts not long after the fact. he was dead 30 years later. We are still documenting ww2? Also both Jesus Mary her father and St josephs family line are found in the talmud. As they try to unravel who he is.
mahoganyrush300 6 months ago
you are out to lunch. God made it all it is his to do with what he wants. put it back into context.
mahoganyrush300 7 months ago
@mahoganyrush300 So since I made my children, I can do with them as I please?
WOO TINY COCK SLEEVES!
TheGeneralCritic 7 months ago
@TheGeneralCritic you did not make your children. They were created through biological function in turn created by the had of God, Whom having the power to take your life has the power to give it back. Hence the resurection of christ. You can not give life back to what ever you kill. God can.
mahoganyrush300 7 months ago
@mahoganyrush300 Actually, yes, I did create my children. My seed connected with the egg of my wife, thus starting the biological processes needed to produce life. Adding God into the mix as somehow 'creating' those biological processes is not rational and goes against the principal of Occam's Razor (when you have two explanations for the same set of evidence, the explanation with the least amount of assumptions is to be preferred).
TheGeneralCritic 7 months ago
@TheGeneralCritic It is not rational to rule out The creator as you seek to do. The biological process has nothing to do with you except that you did not interrupt the known process. That the process is highly intricate in nature is understood by all. Occams razor is not by any means irrefutable logic and is of no relavence to this thought. your intercourse with your wife is pro creative not creative it has little to nothing to do with you. you have zero genetic control.
mahoganyrush300 7 months ago
I just love the opener.. tallying god's kill count...
Ahem...
"EVERYONE IN THE WHOLE WORLD except..." lolz
MrLittletomdj 7 months ago
christians will forgive god for everything like cancer, hurricanes and stuff, and they just go, well.... god works in mysterious ways. what's mysterious about acting like an ass?
mastermuppet71 7 months ago
If God could die can we kill him? If so i would in a heartbeat......
LOCUSTHATER666 8 months ago
@LOCUSTHATER666 "If it bleeds,....we can kill it." - Arnold Schwarzenegger
k0rps3gynd3r 8 months ago
@k0rps3gynd3r Couldn't have said it better myself friend.
LOCUSTHATER666 8 months ago
FUCK JEWS ...shit i kill them niggas too
onofomi 8 months ago
And yet God is still called "all loving" by his slaves......idiots.....
LOCUSTHATER666 8 months ago
GOD gives every on