Tom Wright THE ATOMEMENT DEBATE

[Fenwickinho]

Amen.

[podgorneyjohn]

I'm convinced that Wright is right on the matter of justification.

[campdon]

I believe that God has given us the freedom to choose. You are free to choose to believe it is all fiction. But I've spent a lifetime teaching literature and am convinced that there is more to it. Literature it is, but more.

[xxpowwowbluexx]

Why is there leavened bread in this video instead of unleavened?

[CarmineFragione]

The Cross resembles the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, the upright beam to heaven, and the curse of evil crosses the path. Jesus dying on the cross, makes the curse fall upon an innocent, and repents God to remove the curse and permit the way up to heaven to be straight. If Adam had taken the Tree of Life there would be no Cross. Crossing beam of evil to the upright, is broken, the Tree is made Good. Only the uprightness of the cursed tree remains, it is repented, not destroyed.

[xxpowwowbluexx]

@CarmineFragione Only, how is the tree of the knowledge of good & evil cursed? And when is the cross broken? The way to go up to heaven is not the point of the Bible; the way for heaven & earth to be married is. And the passage on Jesus and the curse is Gal 3:13-14 & the curse there is not the Gen 3 curse; it is the Deut 27-30 curse--the Torah's curse. Of course, the Gen 3 curse is no more, in the new creation (Rev 22:3), and this is because of Jesus. But I don't see the connection w/ the trees.

[campdon]

I like Wright's idea that all of the biblical data needs to be collected on this subject of the meaning of the cross. Having taught the OT for a number of years now, I am convinced that God was preparing us to understand the cross through the instructions on sacrifice and the words of the prophets - Isaiah 53, for example. It is in this context that the gospel writers write and in which Paul et al. provides theological explanation. Reading Paul apart from the OT is to misunderstand Paul.

[SirFoggy2Doped]

@campdon I'm convinced it's all fiction:)

There is no god.

[miket163]

Beautiful.

[ssvr]

I suspect that NT Wright has been deeply influenced by Father John Romanides work on Paul. And if that is the case, all the better, for Romanides exegesis is second to none. The reformed tradition has an inherent poverty of understanding of Biblical context... NT explains this well here

[BrandonCSullivan]

Brilliant!

[arnizach]

Great!