Soul Reaver 2 - Raziel meets Vorador

[ZeoTheZombie]

He looks soo badass here yet in blood omen 2 he looks like shit and less awesome

[Nosgothica]

I love this game! <3

[DasFunkwagen]

Sadly, a line at the start of this cutscene is missed in this upload. Vorador says "You're a ragged excuse for a savior"

[MisterTwoPiece]

@WeNeedSomeGolfShoes - there isn't going to be one

[hoylguy11]

"If you find me ingnorant, Enlight me."

[riotmanful]

1:00 1:10 both right

[faught2606]

This should not be a movie. The story and acting in this game were so incredible, no movie could live up to it. No one could act it out as well as this, and Hollywood would dumb down the story and ruin it. Not to mention Tony Jay is dead, so no elder God :( 

[marcus24000]

wel technicly aslong as a vampires body is stil intact the soul can get back in ones the hart is in place and the head is on like it should be,so maybe kain ore another vampire rezzed vorador

[Ninjamonkeypirates]

When Raziel says: "Enlighten me" he sounds exactly like a Druid of the Talon in Warcraft III.

[FUCKTHEREST92]

@Ninjamonkeypirates That's because the druids of the talon were voiced by Michael Bell too.

[Ninjamonkeypirates]

@FUCKTHEREST92 He has a brilliant voice.

[DanTheManCalter]

I hear a lot about Twilight and whatnot these days. Every time someone mentions those prissy vampires two things come to mind...

Dracula from Castlevania and every vampire from LoK. In my eye, those are characters that show just how wise, powerful and monstrous a vampire is supposed to be. I have yet to find any vampire short of Bela Lugosi that can even compare.

[kkmacleod]

@WeNeedSomeGolfShoes

If you say so. But as Joudas said, it wasn't written by Amy Henning and it shows very much. Now that she's gone, any future titles would probably be of the same quality as BO2.

[primordialblade487]

"How can Vorador be alive in Blood Omen 2"

he can't

[kkmacleod]

@primordialblade487

Well he is. It was never explained.

[xhihixd]

but vorador gets executed in blood omen 1?

how can he be alive?

[Joudas]

@xhihixd Because this is 500 years before Blood Omen 1 takes place.

[xhihixd]

@Joudas How can Vorador be alive in Blood Omen 2?

[Joudas]

@xhihixd Just one of the many continuity problems that're never addressed. Blood Omen 2 was made by a different team, not written by Amy Hennig, and generally isn't great story-wise.

[SolidMike84]

@Joudas

In BO2, "Do you so wish to return to the grave, old friend" so Kain...Resurrected him?

Or the events of BO2 are the results of the SR2 events...Gah, headache -_-

Either way, really wish they'd make a new LOK/SR game, sad though that Jay is no longer with us ´`

[HuntersX2NCreations]

@Joudas If Janos and Raziel could be resurected, why not this guy?

[GuardianAngel8899]

@Joudas Actually in Defiance it explains it. Yes Vorador was captured by Moebius but they had not executed him yet. That age of Blood Omen was altered because Moebius instead went to see the Elder God to tell him Kain is dead and instead of being decapitated like in Blood Omen he was killed by Raziel in front of the Elder God. Defiance is what leads up to Blood Omen 2. So most likely Vorador escaped his captivity when the Pillars crumbled.

[PetrifEye]

@GuardianAngel8899

He was actually brought back to life by the Elder God after his Blood Omen decapitation. He explains that at the very end of Defiance.

[drogon223]

@Joudas actually vorador survived because of the paradox that kain creates at the end of soul reaver 2

[serioushamster]

@Joudas I read that the events of blood omen 2 are caused because of a paradox created in soul reaver 2,I dont know which paradox though

[Darreck3]

@Joudas I actually read somewhere that they were going to address this issue in Defiance, but that got cut like Turel's realm got cut from SR1 due to time constraints. I was hoping with Dark Prophecy that the answer would be written in there, but alas that got cancelled. So we can only assume. I think some form of ressurection, like how Raziel ressurects Janos. Minus the heart of darkness. Too many people in this series come back randomly from the dead. revival from magic shouldn't be ruled out.

[adekaiwamisou]

@Joudas Not exactly. Though still largely unexplained, Vorador's ressurection is given some kind of explanation in the 'legacy of kain wiki'. There, his survival is linked to something called the fatal paradox. Go there and see for yourself.

[Grottman96]

@xhihixd Because of the different timeline created by the time distortion at the end of SR 2 when kain saves Raziel from entering the reaver.

[evilblades]

as far as i understand raziel changes history in several ways in soul reaver 2 and defiance that could mean vorador survived and would be alive in BO2. (alternative timeline). maybe something he did distracted the mob or helped vorador be freed.

but rumors are that they intended to deal with his ressurection in a deleted part of defiance or "the next game" where they traveled to less than 200 years prior to blood omen 2 and ressurected him.

it is hard thinking with 4 timelines^^'

[dagga101]

@xhihixd Its not revealed, but if you look closely at Voradors neck in Blood Omen 2, he has something that seems like a Bandage on it.

[HuntersX2NCreations]

@xhihixd aparently they're vampires beyond Marvel

[PetrifEye]

@xhihixd

One of the driving points in this storyline was time travel, and due to the manipulations of Moebius, the time streamer, several characters were bounced around between different time periods. Past, future, and back to the past were a constant. Since Moebius had the ability to control time, he pretty much used it to drive all the major characters to places he wanted them to be so that he could manipulate them into doing what his master had planned.

[xhihixd]

@PetrifEye

Time Paradox :)

[PetrifEye]

@xhihixd

Yea it's a pretty complex story, but the jist of it is that both Kain and Raziel had close relations (wanted or not) with Moebius which afforded them the ability to use him to travel through time. Although both were unaware that they were doing so under his influence and only doing what he wanted in the first place. The other characters throughout the series (Janos Audron, Vorador, and the Sarafan) all exist only in their rightful time periods.

[OverGod1]

@Joudas Well , it's actually 30 years before the events in Blood Omen 1.

[FUCKTHEREST92]

@Joudas Actually 30 years.

[infernalone666]

@Joudas

the vampire mob part of SR2 was 30 years before blood omen. janos was killed 500 years before BO

[tmoneysn]

@Joudas How can this be 500 years before Blood Omen 1 if the pillars had corrupted just before he met Vorador? Shouldn't this be 30 years before Kain is murdered as a human or something like that.

[crazycat690]

@Joudas that doesn't make sence, Kain in the Soul Reaver games is 1000 years older than he's in Blood Omen. They said he was resurected in Blood Omen 2 was he not?

[trainhoboVEGAS]

@Joudas Wait if this is 500 years before the first blood omen? How did he know of Raziel presence like he know he is going to be over here.

[FUCKTHEREST92]

@Joudas Actually this was 30 years before BO1.

[HuntersX2NCreations]

@xhihixd Humans can die and become vampires, why can't a Strong Vamp like Vorador be resurected? lol

[AvernusSheol]

The expressions, way of speech, everything all orchestrated to perfection. This game is the very definition of success. Most people don't understand, they need to make a sequel to Legacy of Kain for the Ps3. They adapted the DMC fighting style that was a 1 up.

[bluballzzz]

@AvernusSheol story took a nose dive with game. they pulled alot of things out of their ass and it got real conviluded in defiance

[kkmacleod]

@Bluballzz

The story made plenty of sense when added all up. Problem is, there isn't much story left to try and make another. It would suck pretty badly a la Blood Omen 2.

[SolidMike84]

AvernusSheol

Amen brother

[jakespnl463]

u know would be good for twilight put it in a bonfire

[MrLazylazy]

"If you find me ignorant enlighten me" haha Raziel just hit the nail on it's head, and he doesn't know how right he isXD

[ladyofthewilds]

shame that raziel never learns to telport like vorder and kain and a Legacy of kain film would be amazing but a bit hard to follow if the games are anything to go by, althougt thats what makes them brlliant

[CITYSTARS217]

Legacy of Kain should be a Movie!!!

[janosrock]

@CITYSTARS217 the movie makers would screw it up

[Cobac]

@CITYSTARS217 nooooo ....... a cg movie not with real actors they would RUIN it .... MAX PAYNE movie sucked comapred to the game far cry movie sucked ... bloodrayne movie sucked ... ( damn uwe boll )

[LittleNinja55]

@CITYSTARS217 So long as it isn't directed by Uwe Boll =)

[xRadicalxDreamerx]

@CITYSTARS217 Or at least a really epic novel if they can't do that XD

[RealCheckeredHeart]

Vorador Sempai! *glomps* He's so cute! X3

[lotten16]

wow, Vorador is really huge

and smoking hot

[Roratastic]

@lotten16

I'm beginning to wonder if Raziel isn't just short.

Kain and Vorador both dwarf him, and so does Janos.... I'm wondering how tall they all really are.

[GreatestMKfighter]

"I would expect more than meek capitulation from YOU."

"*looks back at Raziel* ...Say what, bitch?"

[FUCKTHEREST92]

Vorador looks like a Turelim Vampire.

[druid54us]

I miss this cause a glitch of the game.

[Xyex]

You got nailed by the bird glitch too, did you?  I *hate* that thing.

[druid54us]

Yeah, the worst part of it is that the glitch affects the exit door of the soul reaver temple it traps you inside of it and you don't know it until you solve all the stuff inside. It was so long ago i really don't remember how i got around it but I know it skip this scene. Shame cause vorador is one my favorite characters

[Roratastic]

@Xyex

Bird glitch got me my first playthrough like three years ago.

It was my fault. I was being a tard and going LOLBIRDS -chase- so like. I guess I brought it on myself but.

It sucked. D8

[Frebra6110]

is this the guy that plays the druid of the talon in warcraft 3? just listen to this 1:41

[JurassicKing2]

same voice and same saying as the druid of the talon

[vincentx915]

Funny how out of all the people he's met,

Voredore was the best of them.

[leafia6]

Janos wasn't so bad.

[Neowolf882]

For the PS2..this game had GREAT facial animations

[Xyex]

Yeah, they even trump MGS2 and 3, which is quite impressive.

[DanTheManCalter]

I remember that I played SR2 before Metal Gear Solid 2, and when I heard the president speak it immediately made me think of Vorador. I love it when I recognize a voice actor like that...

[Impathain]

Even with the altered timeline I'm not sure Vorador did survive. He is captured by Moebius or so he tells Raziel when Raziel returns to Vorador's mansion to give Janos the heart of darkness.

It would be better to think the altered timeline is responsible so I'll say it is.

[Xyex]

Vorador is seen again in the events of BO2 which occur well after Defiance so Vorador manages to get away somehow. Unless CD goes along with the old idea that BO2 isn't part of the series, even though Defiance sets up most everything in it to happen.

[Azreal231916]

It was supposed to be explained how Vorador lives in Blood Omen 2 but they never really got around to it. it was supposed to be a part of the Paradox

[Viteus]

I truly love Vorador's voice.

[GmodPlusWoW]

Very enigmatic. He's the Morgan Freeman of Nosgoth.

[azulgordo]

Sure as hell better than that Twilight crap lmao xD Love this game series!

[Xyex]

Vorador could wipe out every Vampire in the Twilight stories with both hands tied behind his back~

[NessDark]

and with no head

[Vorlos]

any vampire of the LoK-Saga could do this...

[xiondrac9800]

@Xyex I second your notion. Twilight is one of the worst vampire stories I have ever heard. There is no logic. Just plain romantic sentimental kissy kissy stuff. Ewwk. It all gives vampires a very bad name.

[janosrock]

@xiondrac9800 twiligh is a shitty crap written by pussies and for pussies..... with pussy vampires...

VORADOR FOREVER DAMMIT!!!

[CITYSTARS217]

@janosrock yeah that's true -.- .... well then i'll go in to the movie business ;p

[Zoza15]

@janosrock  Agree..

[CITYSTARS217]

HELL YEAH!!!

[jimk140]

What happened to Vorodor at the end?

[Joudas]

At the end of what? At the end of this game (which is some 30 years before Kain becomes a vampire), he's busy killing the human members of the Circle. Thirty years after the end of this game, he is killed by a lynch mob led by Moebius.

[GmodPlusWoW]

Well, there is the matter of Blood Omen 2, in the altered timeline forged by a paradox at the end of Soul Reaver 2. Vorador was still alive 200-400 years after he was executed in the "main" timeline, as leader of the vampire Cabal.

Man, Legacy of Kain is one of the best franchises in the land. Hope they make another...

[Gundamsandzords]

--jmpawloski-- Check this channel out. He's a game developer making an indy LoK game. It's a prequel to Soul Reaver.

[flaksin]

So you got that too... when i was playing BO2 and finally meet the cabal.. i was like WTF..? Vorador died in BO1 and now he is... alive...??? Also at the beginning of BO1 Kain finds The dark heart... and in BO2 Janus Audron is alive...???

[GmodPlusWoW]

Probably, due to the alterations to the timeline in SR2, Vorador was either saved from his execution by Kain, or he was resurrected after his execution. As for Janos, in Defiance, Raziel tore the Heart of Darkness from Kain's chest, and used it to raise Janos.

Later, once the Pillars fell, Janos was possessed by the Hylden Lord, defeated earlier when Kain slew the Dark Entity. After handing Raziel's ass (if he even had one) to him, he flew off, likely to draw more Hylden into Nosgoth.

[flaksin]

Mmm yea i got the point of your theory.. in fact that´s the only reasonable conclusion... because if you put all the storyline without change between BO1 and BO2.. then there´s no piont... Well Thanks anyway.. See you Fella.

[WingsofaWofWolf]

Vorador...and Janos....are cool...

[Revan595]

Vorador is my fav.vampire and janos

[Hasfast]

I like this visual aspect more than that of Defiance. Somehow, it is much more realistic, and very expressive. In defiance, it all seemed too... arcade.

The encounter with Vorador truly impacted me when I played the game. The voice actor, as usual, is excellent... and Vorador himself is a flawless character, although less involved in the plots of Nosgoth after Blood Omen 1. D.R.

[Impathain]

I believe that Janos is indeed possed by the Hylden/Sarafan Lord at the end of Defiance, until the Sarafan Lord has enough strength to manifest his own body, then Janos is used to power the device.

Also BO2 is the result of the ending of SR2, hence Kain mentioning the Hylden and that Janos must not be resurrected, since they need him to escape the demon realm.

Not that it really matters but I like to try to explain it.

[TsunamiWombat]

Question- Is the Elder God the Hylden/Unspoken?

[Impathain]

No. He's a single being all of his own as far as I can tell. As put by Raziel, 'a parasite' who feeds on the souls of Nosgoth.

Which explains why he hates the vampires because their immortal, therefore they don't supply ready souls for him to feast upon.

Dark Chronicle is a good Legacy of Kain website to read up on bits of the story and characters, it really helps to straighten out some points.

[VipericVampire]

LMAO @ VORADOR (02:33)

[birkinsmith88]

he looks so sad!

[VipericVampire]

HE DOES!! T_T but it didn't look like he was sad, it looked like he was doing something else

[swordninja567]

his expression looks like a 'nostalgia grows' face. He WAS around when those prophecies were made, of course

[VipericVampire]

Yeah, but the didn't get it well. It looks like he's doing something else. lol

[TwiztidLotusChild]

Why did you cut out the begining? "Your a ragged excuse for a savior."

[Joudas]

Wasn't intentional, hit the fraps button late, and didn't want to go replay 45 minutes of game for 1 line. :P

[juanjm12]

yo i did all the thing and i got the big purple sword but when i tried to open the door it didnt opened then i went to spectral and normal back then the thing to put the sword wasnt there so i got stuck :[

[TwilightKitsune89]

That happens from time to time, its a glitch.  You should restart.

[commandobandit]

it happens from scaring away the birds in the swamp.

[TwilightKitsune89]

It does? I do that all the time and the glitch doesn't pop up.

[LadyVailena]

*also glomps big eared one, happy realiasing I'm not alone in this*

my mate had the glitch issue here, dont mess with the birdies o.o xD

[Mekia391]

heh i never got to see this cut seen. ran into the glych in darkforge that made it so the exit is seald off after you get the dark soulreaver. had to redo it and enter and exit darkforge while in Spectral Realm so the door would not shut and seal. think chaceing the ravens that dissapers cuases this glych (wish i knew sooner) did not show me the clip seen but at least it got me through darkforge >.< least i geta watch it here

[elhona]

You know I had the same problem when I first played this game. I was so pissed!

[QhaoticZombie]

As was I. Freakin' birds...

[Xbalanque84]

Aww man, you cut off one of the best lines in the game

Vorador: You're a ragged excuse for a savior.

[QhaoticZombie]

And that's the scene I've been looking to screenshot, too. DX

[deadringersilence]

wtf is it about these people and coins lol no wonder on the bloopers tony jay rip said koin(coen) instead of kain lmao coins coins coins i want some damn coins

[ChiefPoopypants]

The only thing BO2 might explain (though I have my doubts) is what happened to Janos at the end of Defiance **SPOILERS AHEAD** as he flies away after being possessed. He could have gone to the Hylden City . In BO2 he has devolved, much like Raziel's brothers in SR1, and lies chained to feed the Hylden's machines.

[krowned592]

this is exactly what happened...blood omen 2 was the paradox of all the time travel in SR2 and defiance

[DurhamBulls789]

ok i thought Vorador died in the 1st Blood Omen how did he ocme back in the 2nd BLood Omen sorry but its been a long time since i played any and i jsut felt like watchin the videos

[Joudas]

It's best to just forget BO2 ever happened. It was an abomination to the story, which was not written by the same person as BO1, SR1, SR2 and Defiance. It had numerous plot holes and in general was a bastard child of the series.

[krowned592]

the game blood omen 2 was the paradox created by the reshuffling of history that happened at the end of SR2 when kain got raziel to refuse to enter the soul reaver the depth of the plot on BO2 cant really be appreciated until you realize it is the after math of all the traveling back in time through out SR2 and defiance.there are actually no plot holes in BO2. defiance carries the only minor plothole but it was so subtle no one even notices

[monkishmonkey88]

Yeah, nothing in Bo2 had anything to do with Defiance or Soul Reaver. Anything that did, was contradicted in the other games. BUt It was a solid action from what I have seen and heard.

[andu1213]

yes it did...because Vorador is still alive..this mean that defiance took place and that the edge of the coin was tuched...also at the end of defiance Janos is still possed by the Hylde which i belive will later turn into the Sarafan/Hylden Lord

[DarthSutekh]

No, Jano is rescued by Kain during BO2. The Hylden lord is physically present not possessing someone. Janos is being used to power The Device, and appears to be a huge monster until freed then returns to his normal appearance. While the pillars decay lets more Hylden through to spiritually to possess others they needed Janos to open the physical door.

[DarthSutekh]

Also Vorador is supose to be alive at this point for Kain to meet him in Blood omen 1, remember Kain has just been born it will be 33 years before he becomes a vampire. Moebius will alter the timeline using Raziel as a catalyst to kill Vorador early during the course of this game. Until Raziel goes there that change will not occur.

[RednessAlpha]

You mean use KAIN as a catalyst to kill Vorador.

[TheaSinclaire]

Vorador has a real nobility about him in this game. Better than the sado-hedonist he is in Blood Omen.

[raptros]

aaaahh i love the first part when vorador says"your a raged excuse for a savior" i love this part

[leFlook]

you just gotta love Voradors facial expressions... but the one at 2:34 throws me off a bit O.o

...like it none the less XP Thanks for uploading

[LadyVailena]

:drool: just love the big eared one ^^

[RoseDincht]

Ohhhh, Vorador. I'm so happy to see you. ^_^

[WenCuts2]

Do you know how can we reach a youtube member?

[Raziela1991]

thru messages?