Part 1. The North American Technate TNAT Technocracy

[xcvsdxvsx]

"for a price system to function two things are required scarcity, and growth" this is not quite accurate, this fallacy is generated largely by peoples presupposition that tokens of debt are the same thing as money. In a system of fractional reserve lending where the sole medium of exchange is debt then yes perpetual growth is required, however with sound money and a shrinking population perpetual growth is not at all necessary.

[TBonePickensetc]

@xcvsdxvsx No such thing as sound money in 2011 or 12.... for a lot of reasons money no longer is viable. Google Technocracy technate and start educating yourself on biophysical economics... and do not just repeat libertarian ideas from 100 years ago in a time of low energy conversion.

[xcvsdxvsx]

@TBonePickensetc in what way is gold not sound money?

[TBonePickensetc]

@xcvsdxvsx Again your just repeating what you have been told about mainstream economics. Money is a debt token no matter what it is. The more 'money' you have the more captured debt. Gold or silver or bronze or what ever. It measures nothing real. It is the old system. We are talking about a thermoeconomic system here based on physics. It measures resources and would be a 'right of citizenship'. As said google the file 'Money, History & Energy Accounting' if you want more background.

[WarmongerWW3]

Population reduction is required.



[TBonePickensetc]

@WarmongerWW3 For better or worse that is going to happen. I pity the Chinese because of their lack of resources and when push comes to shove ... when corporate globalism stops... and its going to probably in a really ugly way... they are in trouble. Right now Globalism has a feedback system to them for resources. That fails as an energy interruption occurs and energy conversion comes to a temporary halt.... Oil.

[WarmongerWW3]

@TBonePickensetc I'm not so sure about that. China is already the world's biggest energy consumer (International Energy Agency) and they are leading the world in renewable energy research and investments. China has climbed to its highest ever score in the All renewables index (Ernst&Young; Renewable Energy Attractiveness Index 2011 ). They are good in intraspecific competition for resources.

[TBonePickensetc]

@WarmongerWW3 They consume more energy because they are industrial slaves of the west. Also they have more people there to consume electricity. Renewables? About 98% of their fossil water is used up and much of their surface water is too polluted to even irrigate with. Good at competition for resources?

That is a current life of death choice in the Price System for them as they must maintain some kind or 'work gang' aspect for people to continue consuming.

[WarmongerWW3]

@TBonePickensetc Plus take a look at china's elite politics...CPC has nearly 78 million members and they are officially atheists and the majority  of the Chinese Politburo (the highest-ranking officials in China) have engineering degrees.

Xi Jinping (chemical engineer), Hu Jintao (hydraulic engineer), Zhou Yongkang (geophysicist), Wu Bangguo (electric engineer), Yu Zhengsheng (electronic engineer), etc.

[Hinrichten]

@TBonePickensetc you're making the assumption that oil is forever going to be our chief resource. Oil companies aren't stupid, they know they're going to run out eventually. Much like how energy accounting is doomed to fail. There is absolutely no science in this theory. It's a border-line religious cult for radical scientists, an excuse for scientists to control our economy, and our lives. I'm not against scientists being in government, but never ruling.

[BolnoyBratchny]

@WarmongerWW3

Castrate yourself then.

[Hinrichten]

@BolnoyBratchny telling him to castrate himself for presenting facts? isn't that what science is all about? facts? you stupid, pretentious fucks haven't done anything to move technocracy forward since it's inception in the 1950s. Science evolves and changes, why haven't you?

[BolnoyBratchny]

@Hinrichten

that's not a fact, fuck face. if we overpopulate, nature will thin the herd. we don't need to do it ourselves. you probably support forced sterilization, forced abortion, and strict laws prohibiting the amount of kids a family can have. if you want to live in a world where the government controls our sex lives and the basic human right to procreate, then go live there.

I prefer to keep the gov the fuck out of my business.

[WarmongerWW3]

@BolnoyBratchny "if we overpopulate, nature will thin the herd. we don't need to do it ourselves. "

Of course we need to do it ourselves - that's part of how nature will do it. Why do you think we are always at war with some oil rich countries? The disputes over limited natural resources is an example of intraspecific competition. Pretty natural.

[smlifyrasor]

@WarmongerWW3 Population reduction is never required nor necessary. It's not even benefitial.

It is mearly a shortcut to make things better for the Elites. More effort is required, not fewer people.

[WarmongerWW3]

@smlifyrasor Depopulation is required primarily because the resources are not infinite and secondly because is much easier to control a small population.

[smlifyrasor]

@WarmongerWW3 I'm aware of that argument, but I think it's incorrect.

Yes our resources are finite, but not to the degree that most assume.

Technology is a wonderful thing, and it's quickly bringing us new ways to increase our efficiency in the usage of those resources. When you get down to the most efficient ways to do things, there's more than enough resources for everyone, for a very long time.

We just need to be smarter about how we do things..

[kidgill2000]

@tbone I kinda see what your getting at but you still havent given a clear cut solution on how to deal with this transition. If not all jobs can be fully automated in a technocracy. How do you account for the people who decide to work higher risk higher skill and generally harder jobs than the rest of the population. ie doctors. If everybody gets the same energy allowance there must be some kind of incentive for these people. If not based on resource or energy access then what? please elaborate

[kidgill2000]

@tbone but if there is still a need for human labor and not everything can be automated what happens if a doctor and a food attendant or whatever are being allocated the same amount of energy allowance. Maybe some people would volunteer to do the higher skilled higher labor higher risk jobs for the same amount of allowance as the easier job but I think a lot of people would think its unfair and see little incentive to pursue the harder jobs. How do you account for that

[TBonePickensetc]

@kidgill2000 I guess I would account for it by saying that you are thinking in the Price System box. Energy accounting is not a reward or punishment method. It is only accounting for energy. Humans do not play much of a role in energy conversion. Energy slaves, robots, energy appliances do. There will always be 'service' jobs. If someone wanted to gain recognition for their work they could... but it would not be by getting a Cadillac. It makes sense to have an equal system. Its not status based.

[kidgill2000]

I agree with all of this except as far as part 3 I think it was when he goes into the work week.... The problem here is that certain jobs require higher level of skill and investment (not necessarily monetary) therefore people who have to work "harder" jobs feel they should have some kind of incentive to do so. Unfortunately untill close to if not 100% of all jobs can be automated the technocracy will still run into the same issues communism did

[TBonePickensetc]

@kidgill2000 Wrong. There is no comparison to Communism. Communism was a Price System using the Ruble. Energy economics is not a value system. It is equal as to consuming power. Population to resources is a real measurement. Carrot and sticking people with fake 'incentives'? Bad idea and no reason to. 100% of jobs will never be automated. Service jobs... helping people is important and human interaction is important. Suggestion for you... read more about this program.

[thevenusprojectmedia]

great stuff, thanks for posting! Is there an footage of H. Scott delivering Technocracy discourse?

[TBonePickensetc]

@thevenusprojectmedia Yes... in some old files.. At least some recorded stuff of him talking in front of groups, yes.

[lordjavathe3rd]

Wow, just found you guys. I can't believe that you aren't among the first search results for searches related to a better working social system. Oh wait, it's not that hard to believe on second thought.

[TBonePickensetc]

@lordjavathe3rd ... yeah.

Hearst Corporation and NewYorkTimes shut among others shut us down pretty much in the 1930's. We are back now with the internet.

Not a conspiracy though. Mostly they are victims themselves of not understanding the current dynamic.

[13R1CK4]

This is just Marxism with a different name.

[TBonePickensetc]

@13R1CK4 you are an extremely ignorant person if you think so... and know nothing of history or energy economics or this subject. Marxism was based on the glorification of human toil... same as Capitalism really or socialism. The labor theory of value no longer can make the Price System work.

Educate yourself. Technology destroys the Price System. Robotics and energy conversion etc. have made Capitalism a dead letter as well as contract society.

[13R1CK4]

@TBonePickensetc Really? How is it different besides its so called history? Gov. controls production and allocates products it chooses to consumers. Gov. decides where you work when and at what. Citizens are to work for the good of the whole since they will not be payed. What about property rights? So instead of proving how it is different you resort to name calling. Sadly only an ignorant person would not see the vast similarities between this and Marxism.

[newb2yutube]

@13R1CK4 Only an ignorant person would expect those answers to be proven or argued in Youtube comments. The study course is free to download. It would answer your questions and prove what Tbone is stating. All we can say is that you are entirely wrong and confused, It will be up to you to educate yourself on the matter. When encountering new information, it isn't creative or constructive to make uninformed judgements, which you have done. So, educate yourself.

[newb2yutube]

@13R1CK4 "How is it different besides its so called history?"

The history AND design proposal is completely different. There are no connections. Period.

"Gov. controls production and allocates products it chooses to consumers."

WRONG!

"Gov. decides where you work when and at what."

WRONG!

"Citizens are to work for the good of the whole since they will not be payed."

WRONG!

Property rights are a price system construct, so it is not an option. Please educate yourself.

[13R1CK4]

@newb2yutube You didn't watch part 5 where he explains that there is no money. The government allocates resources, decides what products to make. If everyone gets allocated the same resources for work then what decides who will be a garbage man and who will be a office worker? The Gov. obviously. I wasn't expecting you to answer anything because you don't know what your taking about. I was asking Tbone but it appears he likes to promote idealistic nonsense but can't answer 4 easy questions.

[tomblack2112]

@newb2yutube This is not meant to be critical but you might want to tone down some of your remarks about people being uneducated. If this movement is to get off the ground (and everything I've witnessed over the last 30 years tells me we're doomed if it doesn't), we're going to need to pass this message on to the less educated working man and that's going to require a lot of patience and understanding when we've all been raised under the politics of fear. BTW Thanks for posting this.

[13R1CK4]

@newb2yutube Property rights are not a price system construct they are a basic human right. One of the rights that a population is deprived of during Marxist tyranny.

[GooseyDusty]

@TBonePickensetc I don't think anyone accepts the labor theory of value anymore

[mdlittle5466]

@TBonePickensetc Agreed, but we must be mindful to not fall into a different, but identical socio-economic paradigm. It is due to appending a value, hence monetary system, that has crippled advancement, induced environmental destruction and sponsored classism in an age where information is readily available for all. I admire the precepts behind 'Energy Accounting', but it looks to append 'intellectual elitism' instead of attempting to elevate everyone to a higher state of existance as a whole.

[TBonePickensetc]

@mdlittle5466 Your comment is nonsense. Your not following this information. Please either read more information to get an understanding of this or do not comment here again. Elevate everyone to a higher existence? You have to be kidding. Please go away.

[mdlittle5466]

@TBonePickensetc By your response, I am going to assess that you append 'intellectual elitism'. I guess you wouldn't consider providing education for everyone at no fee, yes?...including third world nations such as Africa or India? Please respond, these questions need answered regardless of your point of view...we agree of the outmoded monetary system, but it's resolution does not depend on borders or national ideologies.

[TBonePickensetc]

@mdlittle5466

Its not possible to support the world population now. Two areas can transition to a technate. North American with 52% of the worlds resource base and the old Soviet Republics with 32%. That is the reality. I am not for or against anyone. Someone has to begin. North America is the natural starting place. The other places can not do and no one trusts others either. So an example can be made. After new technology maybe others can also form technates or maybe one big one eventually.

[mdlittle5466]

@TBonePickensetc Correction, it's not possible with the world's population right now with the level of technology currently employed to REMEDY said issues. Anyone who's researched hydroponics alone understands that 'food scarcity' is a flat-out lie. Once this becomes inherently understood as fact, we can proceed to implement such technologies in third world nations to prove the validity of such knowledge. Once these nations have made a thoroughly complete recovery...we could proceed from there.

[TBonePickensetc]

@mdlittle5466 You may as well stop posting here now mdlittle. You are a 'believer' in other information, ''Anyone who's researched hydroponics alone understands that 'food scarcity' is a flat-out lie. '', and you have no understanding of what it takes to run an industrial society, Resources, Trained Personnel, and Installed Technology. This is the basis of a working technate area. If you try and do the whole world right now it would not work, plus the 'world' is not going cooperate in that.

[mdlittle5466]

@TBonePickensetc If that is what you choose to believe, so be it. No worries, I believe that since you are so ardent in your own views that my postings here are an unfortunate waste of both of our times. Be well, peace be with you.

[WarmongerWW3]

@TBonePickensetc China is the natural starting place. Since Deng Xiaoping's reforms China has been governed by generations of technocratic leadership.

[c0y0tx]

@WarmongerWW3 sorry to Interrupt you Debate Gentlemen, I think a smaller version of a Technocracy system can be Applied to a small country to assess the benefits to such society, not only to enhance the trust of the public opinion on the rest of the world but also to have an achievable jump start. 

[MagnitudePerson]

Isn't The Venus Project Technocracy with another name. same beliefs. I allso reoccomend "An Introduction to Anarchist Communist Technocracy" by Cult Of Reason, YouTube dont allow me to post this link so google search it and you will find it.

[TBonePickensetc]

@MagnitudePerson ... No. It is not Technocracy with another name. Technate design is a science social design... it is not a belief system.

Also... there is NO connection to Anarchist communist technocracy... or Cult of Reason.

Suggestion... read some basic information about this subject. This information is the brainchild of Howard Scott and M. King Hubbert... and has nothing to do with Zeitgeist.. Fresco.. etc.

I hope that is clear now. Google Technocracy Study Course and read.

[MagnitudePerson]

@TBonePickensetc Technocracy is an idealogy/belief system. Technocracy Incoperated is something else.

[TBonePickensetc]

@MagnitudePerson ... no idea what your talking about or what you want. Don't post here anymore though. Thanks.

[MacabreManifesto]

@TBonePickensetc Jacque Fresco used to be part of Technocracy Inc. but apparently he left. The Venus Project, which is a spin-off of sociocyberneering (or something like that) which came about after he left technocracy, are pretty much the same things as technocracy. What Zeitgeist did was create this belief system that wove the Venus Project into it's framework which gained it a massive cult fallowing, but it is not likely to hold any staying power because of that. This kind of sucks because...

[MacabreManifesto]

@MacabreManifesto ...it associates TVP with a bunch of what are pretty much occult whack jobs. The ideas of Technocracy themselves are very hard to convince people of, but if you mix in your conspiracy theory bullshit then any validity you had goes right out the window.

[rezasurvival]

i love this technocracy this fits the Muslim faith

[TBonePickensetc]

@rezasurvival ... well the beauty of this is that it does not care about faith.. it is secular but at the same time a science system... is humanitarian by default because it recognizes the equality of all people. You are welcome to be involved in presenting our information and we hope that eventually our ideas will replace a political Price System method.

And for sure religion will always be a part of the human experience and people should never be persecuted for that reason. Thanks.

[rezasurvival]

@TBonePickensetc Yeah I am for certain against this madness of pricing system.. Yep I understand Technocracy do not care about faith but rather a humanitarian by default --> Agreed.. Hey TBone add me: rezaempire2@hotmail.com --> catch me via facebook otherwise Muhammad Reza Nasherudin thats my name..

[TBonePickensetc]

@rezasurvival - I read you loud and clear. Also recognize your handle from other places. Keep up the direction and Yeah... I am a big Hendrix fan also... always was.

[rezasurvival]

@TBonePickensetc I like the term "Special Interest Group"

[methosfortythree]

TURTLENECK

[lastwhiteman23]

Hail the return of the Aristocracy/Technocracy/Merito­cracy/Sophocracy! Let's rid ourselves of Democracy and Plutocracy.

[TBonePickensetc]

@lastwhiteman23 Your opinion is wrong. Read some information or don't comment here again. It is not connected to the things you mentions.... Aristocracy. It is a science based system.

[gringoproduced]

Keep on pick'en Tbone! Like you did for my mom in Alcala.

[TBonePickensetc]

@gringoproduced

That was fun

[ngonea]

I have news for you, we still are mostly peasants, slaves and indentured servants, some just have phd's but their still being used by the corporation., They just modernized the slavery system, look at each state as a plantation run by the Mother Plantation inside the beltway, " DC" , agents of the Queen of England who works for the Vatican, who works for the Crown. Nothing new under the sun. Bring on The Technate!

[TBonePickensetc]

@ngonea ... pretty much... but I would caution, that it is not the Queen of England or the Fed or the Rothchilds etc.... it it merely the Price System... the default template that has run society since Mesopotamian times.

That can be changed with a non oligarchic science based system using energy economics in a non monetary government. Technocracy technate design.

[ngonea]

@TBonePickensetc - thank you TBonePickensetc. so are you asking me to forget about

The Imperial British East India Co and the Opium Wars, Colonialism did not happen?

hummm

[TBonePickensetc]

@ngonea

No I did not say forget about anything. But the present and future and a viable way out of the mess we are in is the idea.

Learning from the past is a good idea. However the Price System is pretty simple in its ideas. Trick people and make money.

[PushItAway]

Why does technocracy not oppose capitalism when it is detrimental to the improvement and utilization of technology?

[TBonePickensetc]

@PushItAway Technocracy design is not opposing things or a radical group. It is a research and educational group. Obviously a technate get rid of Capitalism or Socialism... etc.

We just point out that the present system destroys itself and what we advocate is a viable alternative.

[crud4]

@TBonePickensetc No, technocracy is a bunkum movement with absolutely no means of overthrowing capitalism. Your dictatorship of engineers is laughable.

[TBonePickensetc]

@crud4 - It is not meant to 'overthrow anything. It does not compete with socialism or Capitalism etc. - It is a non political system of science based social design. Also it is not a dictatorship Crud4. I think you maybe should educate yourself... but probably you will not from the sound and look of you. Bye.

[mastablack47]

@PushItAway well capitalism isn't necessarily detrimental to the growth of technology, it surely works better than most things in the past have. In respect to the future yes I agree that as far as technology is concerned capitalism will look primitive and foolish, but we are still in the capitalist age. If I would be right in assuming that you are a communist/socialist (which I was at a point) you also must believe that in the quest for profit capitalism is preparing its own demise.

[MrTreeFingers]

The biggest obstacle to implementing a technate is getting rid of science fiction induced fear of some sort of dystopian authoritarian government. Thanks for uploading this.

[TBonePickensetc]

We already have a nightmare dystopian future in the present Price System.

That which ceases to function... ceases to exist... and this is the element going in the favor of the technate design.

The current system destroys itself as it is not viable or functional... any more.

[megablaster82]

I do believe in the same.If you do a wrong diagnostic, sickness will not be cured and will get only worst, as a result will become a collapse.And on the time of collapse will born a new system,that was always so.I dunno if 3 world war will come or not i think that it is more possible rather then not.One of the friends of Albert Einstein wrote: Humanity will come to understanding only after 3 world war

[TBonePickensetc]

Hard to determine the future. No one can. We see the Price System destroying itself. 10 ways of it doing that or more. Letting people know about the alternative system is the goal currently. You can help us with that. Just letting people know of an alternative is progress. The internet allows information now to flow.

[mastablack47]

@TBonePickensetc I'm nit trying to sound like a prick for bringing this up, but if we manage to create such a government, and people oppose it on a large level, Is an element of authoritarianism that bad? just asking.

[TBonePickensetc]

@mastablack47 ... because it is not a people oligarchy... and it is non political... and is science based... it is a stretch to associate it with any kind of authoritarianism.

Not sure who would protest it after the collapse of the Price System... which comes before too long.

The Libertarians and Progressive Liberals... are clueless.

If we change to this, it is partly because our present system no longer works.

[PushItAway]

@mastablack47 As long as the state exists authoritarianism will always be prevalent.

[XionXXXX]

So bottom line is "Greed is Good", and will stay good until the Planet blows up due to Global Warming and Overpopulation, so enjoy it while it lasts.

[TBonePickensetc]

Unless you have something of value to say as a social activist do not post here again.

Thanks.

[Kyle15bitch]

its not actually going to blow up, just become uninhabitable

[Eldel15]

Does technocracy oppose the state? Would the Venus Project be considered technocracy?

[TBonePickensetc]

@Eldel15 Technocracy eliminates a political price system. It is a state... a technate. That is an area of resources where sustainability is assured, and protection of the natural world is done through energy accounting.

It is not a Price System. It is not democratic. It is humanitarian and egalitarian. You can not force people to do things... contract society is out... democratic voting is contract society... forcing others to obey mob opinion. A technate would protect from that.

[TBonePickensetc]

@Eldel15 No connection to Technocracy with Venus Project or Fresco. He learned what he knows from us. He then accused our group of this and that.

Reality... ?

We probably are the first integrated group in the United States.

1934.

Way ahead of the military and others. Full membership was available for any North American citizen.

Energy accounting which he does not advocate (Fresco), is a way out of the Price system. It uses sustainability as its basis.

[morseguy]

Thank you for uploading this, do you know if there are informative videos about technocracy applied in the world in general? It would be useful for spreading this information, thank you

[TBonePickensetc]

Thanks morseguy. Go to Wikipedia with a Google of Technocracy Incorporated, or Technocracy movement... also Google 'Money history & energy accounting. For a sight to get involved in go here... TechnocracyTechnate... with a . and an org. That is mostly an information sight but also has a forum.

[somethingnevergo]

You suggest that technocracy is an elimination of all political systems. If this is true, then you are forgetting one single concept. The fundamental human nature of the desire for power. You can suggest that technocracy is the ultimate answer. It is a perfect. However you forget that we live in an imperfect world. Do you suspect that man will not take this design and tamper with it? Do you honestly expect the world to easily comply with this? Be a realist, your design will never be implemented.

[TBonePickensetc]

I am not sure why you are here, if you are not interested in this subject. This site is for education as to social activism to alert people of the Technical Alliance, scientific social design. Imponderables such as you mention, as to your opinion of human nature and power are not really notable or of much use to us.

I assume you are trolling as to your negative comment.

The technate design is a non political governing design. Not a form of oligarchy. I have no troll remorse by the way. Bye.

[Gannok130]

"Human Nature" is pseudoscience created by Capitalist society.

[Hinrichten]

@Gannok130 denial of human nature is a fantasy created by socialists. so i guess that makes us even then, huh?

[Gmantis14]

But remember that there are people that are tired of those greedy people that only want power for themselves. And if a technocracy like this one is implemented anywhere, there would be no way for anyone to have power over others, Because power is the ability to control and in a technate the only control there is, is in technical issues not on people.

[TBonePickensetc]

Science. A science base social design based on energy economics instead of money. The Technocracy Study Course laid out a plan for that. It is based on thermoeconomics or biophysical economics. That means energy accounting, and taking down the former structure of organizing society. The current structure was 'invented' around the 25th. century BCE, with the invention of contract society and the invention of religion (the Enuma Elish) That was updated by Adam Smith. Non monetary economics differs

[shakezulathemicrulah]

This is disturbing

[TBonePickensetc]

Come about? We already have a technate in several ways. Now the idea is to wrest it out of the hands of a political system and put it into the hands of a science system. You can help us with this process. Very difficult to imagine or guess future events... but if we are headed toward a chaos situation with the environment and social structure... then for better or worse we are going to change. The technate design is a 'best case scenario', getting awareness of it up is our goal right now.

[Rockerboy2007]

How will a technocracy come about?

[tryingtobereal]

This is so true!!

My big question is who is going to run or maintain the machines.

I like the idea but I don't trust modern man to put aside power.

[TBonePickensetc]

Well... It is not a people oligarchy... but an administration of science. It eliminates special interest groups... so the corporate fascist... capitalism...communism... socialism etc. are also eliminated. It works with energy economics... so it measures things that are real... which money does not do.

That then is an accounting system and not a class caste control system.

Google Technocracy movement on Wikipedia... and lots of cool connectors and history will come out on the material.

[TechnocratMing]

:D A North American Technate would be described as functional governance, where control is exercised over technology, not people.

[noaheugene20]

When will the united states have a technocracy government?

[TBonePickensetc]

Right now alert your friends and neighbors that there is a viable alternative... that they probably have never heard of. - While we may go to a technate as the logical next most probably system.. there is no assurance of that. Current political systems and religious systems would most likely fight it. But... survival is key. With the current method we are doomed in a monetary Price System.

Many people in FEMA, and the war colleges in the U.S. are familiar with this. Alert people though please.

[uea978]

great video. thank you.

[Omar1403]

Keep it up, Art!, Thanks for the Vid!

[SKVPC]

Its nice to hear from someone who is not a parrot. As a young kid I was allowed to listen to the elders of my family and friends as they discussed solutions. They were all born in the early 1900s. They had a level of education that is far and few between. Common sense was the first, followed by practices taught by parents, then by schools to the 8th grade. Then a person was ready to learn. A man was worth his word, and his wisdom.

[TBonePickensetc]

Thanks.. brainwashing through advertising and fake ideals has crippled America. Also the scam artists that are trying to cash in on our current Price System collapse... without understanding the dynamic of what is actually happening. Whether its phony libertarians or left wing progressives.. these people are victims.

Our Technocracy technate program is not a political system... and most any one not brainwashed, and with what used to be a good 8th grade education can understand it.

[TBonePickensetc]

There is no New World Order... only the Price System and the Rules of the Game in a Price System. Soldiers for the new world order of Lizard head believers are not welcome here. That batch of disinformation is not connected to the Technocracy technate concept or ideas... and we do not like to mix with those dumbed down concepts.

[omegakurt20]

i do not understand what you are trying to say.

[TruthSmack]

Their is an agenda to microchip you and control your every move and transaction you make. To have complete control of every facet of your life! Watch the movie the matrix and then watch endgame and put the two together. See what alex jones says about the "zeitgeist addendum". We literally have the technology to extend your life span by farming humans in a tube full of liquid for the purpose harvesting your energy/ soul for a ruling class to play god with. giving you the gift of virtual reality.

[omegakurt20]

this might sound silly but the planet krypton was a technocracy and look how advance and enlightened they were. the federation of planets used science to solve their problems. earth will become a technocracy by force or by choice, i am determined to make it happen. but i'm still in doubt about two things. 1) how are we going to provide for people materialism and two what are we going to do about over population. if the whole world had a standard of living like the us it would, need 4 extra earth

[TBonePickensetc]

The technate design starts with North America. We have the installed technology, the trained personnel, and the resource base required. After it is set up, population is lowered through education most likely and science methods. Materialism would be better than now. No middleman of Price System consideration. All within what sustainability allows. Gene Roddenberry was in touch with our headquarter in the sixties and based a little of StarTrek on our info, as was Krpton a spinoff of 30's TechInc.

[omegakurt20]

ok but i'm still concerned with materialism i.e the need to want when you have enough i.e a paris hilton. secondly how is population going to decreas. if everyone had a high standard of living wouldn't it explode?

[TBonePickensetc]

Materialism would not contain advertising as to propaganda as now. Information on products would be available but not trickery. Limits on physical space (no rented warehouse space) make it impossible to hoard all that much. Personal possessions but no private property.

In most highly industrialized countries population increase is not a problem. That is why immigration is stressed now... to increase the consumer base. Italy or Japan or Russia have dwindling populations. Education again.

[BillHicks613]

I think you're missing the point. The point being that technocracy is a theory of post-scarcity, and hence post-materialist and it is this that differentiates it from much of what we would call the social left.

[omegakurt20]

ok thank you for that clearification. now would you be ble to explain to me how population is going to decrease in a technocracy.

[AlienScientist]

TBone, I had never heard of this before and I just happened upon it randomly. THIS IS GREAT STUFF! I have always been one for using technology to try to solve regular world problems, this brings it to another level! I am now a Technocrat, as I have lost all faith in the SNAFU which the American political system has degenerated into...

We must stop their NWO based on corrupt economic and financial systems of control, and install a FREE Thinking FREE Market Technocracy!

[TBonePickensetc]

Good man. We need your help. We are a science based group of volunteers. We are a research and educational group. Some of the very best of American science is the foundation of our material. I gave a link to our official site and some other stuff for you to start out on. Consider yourself a Technocrat and you are now enlisted. We are not revolutionaries... but we provide the information needed to move on to a science based social design of functional governance. I can give much more info.

[TBonePickensetc]

peopleaseylum... not really sure what you are saying here... but your comment has no regard or connection to the material presented. Suggest you read some related information... or go to Technocracy movement on wikipedia.

[DarthKazi]

TBonePickensetc

[KARStarla]

Tbone, I must say I had my doubts too but after watching the whole series (as someone else said) I too found this an amazingly simple and doable thing here. I'm actually impressed. This allows for everyone, even myself who am disabled. Have they gotten this info out or are they going to impliment this?

[TBonePickensetc]

The information has been out for some time.. but repressed or not understood. Google Technocracy movement and Technocracy Incorporated. You can help us now. I am enlisting you. Your help is needed.

[TBonePickensetc]

Thanks Burntman... and please join us in spreading the information. If you google around on wikipedia you will find some interesting information... not only secular humanitarian.. but science based.. and it completely get off of the merry go round of the political price system.. For starters Technocracy movement and Technocracy Incorporated wiki articles contain multiple links and connectors to articles and cited connected info.

[burndtman]

Didn't know what to think after watching part1, but after watching the rest of the Vids, I'm so glad that I decided to keep watching. The North American Technate is the only viabel solution to salvage our planet from all out chaos.

[TBonePickensetc]

We can use your help telling others now about our program.

[TBonePickensetc]

That would be nice Dennis.. but it appears at this point that chaos looms and then change. People in general were more aware in the past of some of this dynamic. People will soon find themselves thrown by the shirt collar into the street. Most will not understand the dynamic. One way or another social change for better or worse will occur though.

[Dennisinlife]

I hope people wake the fuck up and do away from the price system.

[Papinuti]

Yes i would realy like to know did you even read das kapital ? or at least communistic manifest?

or are there books prohibited in "free" america :D

[TBonePickensetc]

The Technate design is way beyond Communism or Capitalism. Both are based on throwback principles that no longer apply.

Either Technology will destroy the Price System.. or the Price System will destroy Technology to maintain control.

If it is the latter it is going to be a nightmare for any kind of creative life enhancing humanistic secular culture. This may be time to explore our concepts and help us make our program known. Communism is a dead letter as is Capitalism.

[TBonePickensetc]

zerosister... what is even more interesting is that this program has existed since 1934 ~!~

The basic concept of energy accounting and the Technate design is still very much current. It is a science based social design for government.

It does not allow special interest groups. It provides a creative.. balanced and sustainable future. It protects our resource base.

Your right this is NOT a political system. We can use your help to make our information known. We need all interested parties.

[zerosister]

I think what this man is saying is absolutely wonderful! I can't believe he did this video back in 1980. People must have thought he was crazy back then. This is a way to live without a political system...the way God wanted us to live.

[TBonePickensetc]

Than you.. and please help us to get our information out. We need people that are creative and motivated to help us.

[amnestiaAHORA]

this is like every boring grade school science class video condensed into one

tl;dw

[TBonePickensetc]

You are probably used to being surrounded by special effects and entertained. This is not meant to entertain you. Its the message that is important. So go back to your usual psychedelic freak show that you grew up on. We are not looking for your type anyway that needs a pat on the head and fake encouragement.

We are looking for serious people that are interested in the Technate design for North America.

So go back to pointless diversion. Your comment is inane.

[Papinuti]

OK first communism is a class-less money-less society.

Soviets ... totalitarism

Korea ... mass murder

China ... exploading capitalism

Cuba ... no coment

Yugoslavia ... self govering socialism

probably the cleanest communisem happen in Israeli Kibbutzs or some early pre-ww2 american atempts (btw the all failed)

oh and can someone explain why is tehnocracy diferend from ideologic communism ?

[TBonePickensetc]

Communism is nothing but reactionary to capitalism. Both are designed to control people in an oligarchy. A Kibbutz would not be Communism at all. Marx theory is not involved.

- The amorphous term Technocracy is not used much here. The Technate design for North America is the reference point. Apples and oranges then as far as comparing.

Go to the North American Technate TNAT site for understanding of this material related to the Technocracy Study Course and its design of a scientific social sys.

[whimsicalim]

TBonePickensetc, please go and educate yourself on communist theory before you spew out that rubbish clearly indotrinated into you by the US media.

Please, just go pick up some Marx, just go educate yourself. Please.

[Dystisis]

Communism as in Soviet, used a price system indeed. But if you look at the thoughts behind marxism you'll see that the goal is a system without money (the reasoning behind this is different from what is presented here, such as economic inequality, but still).

Marx theorized that society needed to go through capitalism before it could become "communist". This was ignored by Soviet and of course China and all other "socialist" countries.

[Dystisis]

The reason it had to go through capitalism was of course in order to develop the technology needed in the means of production to produce enough so that the abolishment of wage slavery would be possible.

So, please consider that the "communism" as theorized by more modern marxists could in fact be more similar to technocracy than you think.

[TBonePickensetc]

The Technate design is way beyond Communism or Capitalism. Both are based on throwback principles that no longer apply.

Either Technology will destroy the Price System.. or the Price System will destroy Technology to maintain control.

If it is the latter it is going to be a nigtmare for any kind of creative life enhancing humanistic secular culture. This may be time to explore our concepts and help us make our program known. Communism is a dead letter as is Capitalism.

[TBonePickensetc]

Your point is technically true. However a state withering away is just wishful thinking. Romantic.

The state described as Communism is still an oligarchic people control system.

Technate design is not. It is not a theory about sociological concepts.. it is based on anthropological concepts which are able to be measured and not part of someones opinions on ethics.. morality aesthetics etc.

The Technate design has a complete plan. It is a viable plan.. not just another alternative.

[TBonePickensetc]

Sorry pal.. but there is no connection to communism. That is a price system also. Dollar or Ruble it makes no difference. The Technate design is not connected to theories of human labor like capitalism or communism.

[alargedog]

perhaps. but they are all based on economics

[TBonePickensetc]

No. Technate design is not based on economics. It is based on energy accounting and that is not a reward and punishment system. Go to the website listed here if you wish and read some of the files such as The Origin of the Political Price System.. and the American Political Price System.

Economics is a pseudo science. It is based on abstract concept social control. It has to use propaganda and brainwashing. The debt token system no longer works. We can use your help. Investigate these ideas.

[Dystisis]

So you disagree with class theory? On what grounds? I suppose you dismiss historical materialism also? Calling economics a pseudo science just proves you don't know what you're talking about. Furthermore, calling scientific communism a price system is ridiculous. It is about the exact thing technocracy talks about: The development of capitalism where it ends up destroying itself (development of the means of production making wage slavery and monetary system unneeded and a hinderance).

[TBonePickensetc]

You may want to go to the TNAT The North American Technate site on this webpage and read some of the files there. It sounds to me that you are brainwashed somehow with abstract rhetorical concepts.

Economics using money is an antique Adam Smith Babylonian concept.

Energy Accounting is not a replacement for a monetary system. It is an accounting system only. Not a ''each according to their need'' system of the glorification of labor and control. Sorry but that is being blunt about this topic.

[Dystisis]

If you think communism (a state-less, market-less society - nothing more, nothing less) has anything to do with Rubles you have not got any clue and I suggest you read on up on contemporary marxism.

[TBonePickensetc]

There is No connection between Technate design and communism or capitalism. Capitalism and Communism are Price Systems. Communism is only a reactionary movement against Capitalism. Both of those two use debt tokens to control people.

Technate design is not an oligarchy of opinion and belief. It is not connected to sociological concepts such as Communism. The ideas of a stateless society is a fantasy Utopia. Utopia is a place that does not exist.

Thank you for the interaction.

[Luxaquitaine]

In what way is communism a price system?

[TBonePickensetc]

Hi Enrique. In the same way that Capitalism or Socialism is a Price System. It uses debt tokens as commodity valuation.. or money. When money is used an abstract concept is used. Abstract concepts are not real.. but choices then are made using them any way. Also people can be made to do almost any thing to gain more debt tokens which are then used to control other people. Communism was only ever a reactionary system to Capitalism. You have to give the Russians a little credit though. They tried.

[alargedog]

karl marx explains this beter in das kapitol 5.5

[TBonePickensetc]

It may seem that way because you are not familiar with the Technate design idea. There is however no connection between Technate design and Communism. None. They are completely different and not complimentary systems. A glorification of human toil Communism was invented prior to mechanical energy replacing human energy in the concept of "work''. We crossed that threshold in 1913. Our Price System is a throwback to things being measured in `` scarcity '' instead sustainable abundance.