For all of you who are complaining about this performance or prefer how he used to play - what a sad bunch of jerks you all are. 1st, he's suffered from huge health problems for most of his adult life. 2nd, after his wife passed away, he stopped playing altogether for several years. 3rd, he's Ivo, you're not, and he can play anyway he wishes. Life is full of change and mystery and joy and sorrow and you're just gonna have to live with it - or, give us all a break - and don't!
@BeecolorGames Tu écoutes là un de ses pires enregistrements ! Jette une oreille sur sa prestation de Gaspard de la Nuit par Ravel, tu verras toute la beauté de son jeu !
'Schmiede mein Hammer ein hartes Schwert, einst färbte Blut dein falbes Blau, sein rothes Rieseln röthete dich: kalt lachtest du da, das warme lecktest du kühl! Heiiaho! Haha! Haheiaha! Nun hat die Glut dich rot geglüht, deine weiche Härte dem Hammer weicht: zornig sprühst du mir Funken, dass ich dich spröden gezähmt.
Schmiede mein Hammer ein hartes Schwert! Der frohen Funken wie freu ich mich; es ziert den Kühnen des Zornes Kraft..stellst du auch grimm dich u gram! [Wagner,Siegfried,1.Aufzug]
I've heard in some interviews, that he said himself he is a very profesional pianist, that works a lot and taht hios work is almost perfect if not perfect. This recording of the Liszt's Mephisto Waltz is terrible, how can a profesional plays with someone changing pages, is irrespectfully a performance reading notes, come one, this is not a conservatory presentation, the tempos where are they, you rash the sound, that is not tecnique, I prefer Pogorelich 20 yaers ago, sorry to see what you became
I don't think one of you knows what a piano career means and what kind of sacrifices 24/7 you have to do... I know what I speak about. On top of this this is a video who is stolen!! Shame on the person who took this video and put on Internet without asking anything to the pianist... This "document" brings nothing to anybody serious. Just the fact that you present Ivo Pogorelich in his worth period... Are you proud of it? Sorry to give my opinion, but this is not suitable to let see one o the gr
@kilmer70 at least there is somebody understanding that this recording live is bullshit. I think this pianist has big problems, mental problems. Drugs probably too. He must have a dificoult private life and what is sad to see without the teacher he had he is lost concerning musicality.... Its a pity to see this video and you are right it should not be on youtube....
@kilmer70 First of all, I'm also pianist, so I really know every details you can say about how tough can be life when you are a pianist. Then what do you think about all Horowitz pirate recordings made without his permission ? Most of them can be found on youtube, and they are not always showing a nice playing of him. Plenty of videos on youtube are recorded live and broadcasted without the agreement of the pianist.
And last of all, yes, I think I have to show this Mephisto because I don't think
he's retarded or taking drugs or just mad, and I think he's playing in a different way which shows many many interesting things. Look at the score, and check that everything he does is written.
Life is not always beautiful, why should always be the sound beautiful ?
@kilmer70 Instead of complaining about pirate recordings, you could be thankful and acknowledge effort of uploader. He could keep the video to himself but he was so kind that he bothered to upload it and let 30,000 people watch His interpretation. I think that music of Pogorelich is unique and deep.Transcendental.His concerts are so emotional and moving that it gives me chills when I think about it. I never experienced anything like this in my 16 years of existence. But opend mind is required...
I quite like some of his playing in Part 2, but in Part 1 it sounds like a virtuoso elephant playing. The accents are just far too strong and it just sounds ugly. The piano doesn't sound particularly nice either, a bit tinny. The slow section is interesting, dreamy in parts, but if it's too slow it loses coherency. Still better to have an unusual interpretation than something run-of-the-mill
Sorry, but to my mind this is very bad, he hammers the key at the very beginning and then when the gorgeous waltz comes, he plays it too slow. I didn't like this interpretation at all.
Come in Rachmaninov, Sonata N. 2 e Momenti Musicali op. 16. Lentezza esasperante e soporifera, molte note tritate nelle alte velocità, estro capriccioso nell'espressività melodica ! Se ripenso a come eseguiva Ravel, Prokofieff e Schumann .... era da brividi !!! Vado subito a riascoltarli nei miei CD !!!
It is truly interesting how all the living greats eventually become despised and over criticized. When they die it stops and they become great again. Richter played with music. It relaxes the performer, it's not like they he's doing prima vista. I hope Mr Pogorelich if he reads this has the wisdom to ignore it and continue doing his own thing and play many eagerly awaited concerts. I hope he has true friends who can support and help him with all this bs. Help him blossom, don't knock him down!!!
Its clear that he didnt work on this composition enough. He is reading from scores, he make silly slow tempos which is wrong because he is not done technicaly aspect of that parts of compositions. Even fast parts which he plays in tempo are not done and hes cheating.
@predoje he read for the scores in every recent concert. I saw him perform in Israel last year. Reading from the score doesn't mean he doesn't know the compositions he also has notations in the sheet music (i saw from the front row). his playing is very bold and extremely skilled and is in no way traditional. if you see his pedal work it makes your legs hurt. he played chopins 3rd sonata and the passages were so light and it seemed impossible to do.
@Conner36 Are you saying that his memory is getting bad (old). Because of that he is using scores all the time? If healt is the problem that thats very big reason...
@predoje , oh come on, that's silly! Some of the most famous pianists have used the score including the late Dame Myra Hess, who always played with a score. In fact, that was the and has been a tradition in England. Also, it wasn't until Clara Schumann that people played things by memory---so you have hundreds of years preceding her where the standard was to play WITH the music! (understandably so!)...
i don't see what's so bad about the performance. its recorded from someones home video camera from somewhere far away. i doubt the sound quality will be of a recording studio's. as for the speed, true fans of pogo will realize that part of his genius is his quarky tempos. they tend to be noticeably slower in a lot of pieces. its part of who he is. aside from tempo, i felt the phrasing and dynamics were executed very well.
If Liszt were alive today and Pogorelich had the opportunity to play Mephisto for him, would he play it like this? And if he did, I wonder how Liszt would have received such a performance? For me, this is the only relevant question.
It would be rather interesting to discover IP the composer. Just don't get the progressive, interpretative demise of such a hugh talent. He seems to insist in re-writing the compositions of others. And I disagree with those who claim that his technique is still apt. This all sounds most peculiar.
@sugarve Dal momento che Ivo Pogorelich è un pianista di fama internazionale, ho fatto due ipotesi: 1) lo suona a prima vista (infatti non trovo altre esecuzioni del mephisto waltz) 2) stava male.
Est-ce bien lui qui joue ? drôle d'interpétration pour ce génie du piano. par moment on dirait un débutant. Il travaille ce morceau plus qu'il ne le joue. Cette interprétation me touche malgré tout car elle est despérée. Je ne sais pas ce qu'il lui est arrivé mais on dirait qu'il est ivre de douleur. Mais je me trompe peut-être
siete solo buoni a giudicare."mi é crolllato un mito" "ma dove é ivo" "che schifo di esecuzione". Pogorelich ha raggiunto delle vette assolute ed alcune sue esecuzioni sono tutt'ora insuperate.Vi aspettate sempre di più dalle persone senza scordarvi delle fragilità dell' uomo, ma lui ha già dato tantissimo e ha lasciato un gran segno nella storia del concertismo; voi invece ?.
@MATTDUNCAN1 I'm afraid it is him...I saw him in Dublin last night and the concert was absolutely horrifying. I am sorry to say it seems he has crossed the line between genius and insanity. He played this very piece last night: frankly this performance is credible compared to the utterly revolting distortion of Liszt's music I endured last night. Most of the audience left at the interval. I left during the Brahms A major intermezzo because I couldn't take it anymore. Truly tragic.
I wonder if he would feel better after playing this waltz... His gameplay sounds like he is about to explode, or cry... That's so sad...But truly Pogorelich.
is the press talking about this.This is him. The hand movements could be a signature at 3:59. He had all this rep ertoire in his head at a very early age . This is so interesting .the slow part is really slow but has it ever sounder this meta-physically unearthly. The tension is still there in the slow part.This is the new wave of piano playing that in this century will find more adherents. turning 150 year old music into new .Ghostly.Macabre.
En su interpretación impera el sonido como elemento principal y creo que por eso su interpretación es distinta. Si queisiera tocarlo normal o virtuosisticamente, lo haría, porque creo que tiene unos medios técnicos impresionantes. Hay que escucharlo desde su propia interpretación y no desde la de otros o la de uno mismo.
What is wrong with him? No meaning to insult or anything, but something really went wrong with him lately...Because of his depression during 1998-2000?
Why he takes it soooo slow? And since when he need page turner? He could play a 20 mins concerto without the notes and now he need the notes for a waltz?!
He's not getting any younger, another decade or two and he won't be playing much Liszt and Rachmaninoff, or his Gaspard de la Nuit. At some point in the future he'll get tired of scorning concertgoers everywhere and realize his fingers aren't what they used to be.
@demosj No need to worry about Pogorelich's fingers, they still obey whatever the great master likes to do with them! In November 2010. Pogo is touring Germany with his spectacular performance of Chopin 2nd Concerto which, performed live, is even more convincing, as I can witness after his recent concert in Zagreb, than his DG recording of this piece with Abbado in early 80-ties!
@mikejr41387 Listen to 4:00 through to about the 6:00 minute mark and say that again. The guy has more musicality in a single bead of sweat than most of his critics will ever achieve in their entire lifetime. Oh he's "too weird" or "not traditional enough" or is too "interpretive"... classical music critics need to pull their heads out of their asses and realize that if they don't stop criticizing the geniuses who reinvent these beautiful timeless pieces, then eventually people will stop caring.
@zenmastermatt Totally agree. The so called "classical music critics" along with the academics who leech carreers off of it and the wealthy who think they can buy culture and art are precisely what has made classical music unappealing to so many, and continues to kill it. I can't believe these over educated morons actually believe someone like Bach or Beethoven would give a shit about their list of degrees and snotassed opinions. I wish they'd just crawl into a dusty library corner and die ffs.
@zenmastermatt Totally agree. The so called "classical music critics" along with the academics who leech careers off of it and the wealthy who think they can buy culture and art are precisely what has made classical music unappealing to so many, and continues to kill it. I can't believe these over educated morons actually believe someone like Bach or Beethoven would give a shit about their list of degrees and snotassed opinions. I wish they'd just crawl into a dusty library corner and die ffs.
We are all listening and watching something that has been captured regarding the relationships between Puer Aeternus and Senex, the musical fact is'nt so important
leggendo sul web si dice soffra di depressione dopo la morte della moglie e che abbia problemi psichici questo mi rattrista molto vederlo cosi' e' penoso triste forza ivo tieni duro e riprenditi
visiblement, ivo pogorelich a changé son jeu, et en premier lieu, a modifié sa technique. D'où, d'abord, une sonorité différente qu'il laisse à découvert, à l'état brut, sans pédale. Les parties lentes sont sans doutes trop lentes. Il est clair qu'il recherche une originalité et il la trouve: à l'ère de la vitesse et de l'abus de pédale, il va à l'encontre des interprétations usuelles. Est-il fidèle à Liszt? Seul Liszt pourrait répondre...
ma come si è ridotto!!!avrà solo una cinquantina d'anni e già è calvo, suona con la carta, e lento come un novantenne.... credo che forse è malato di qualcosa..perchè è strano...è così diverso da quando era ragazzo, non è più come una volta
leggendo sul web si dice soffra di depressione dopo la morte della moglie e che abbia problemi psichici questo mi rattrista molto vederlo cosi' e' penoso triste
What the hell is this? Pogorelich is still capable of virtuosic fireworks, but his interpretative powers have suddenly left him.
This isn't a fresh or innovative interpretation - this is eccentricity. A sudden aversion to the pedal, accents placed on dissonant notes, entire stretches lost to incoherence, and the unlistenable 0:57.
If it was any other pianist alive today I'd lose hope, but for Pogorelich, I will wait for him to regain his senses. The best luck to him.
I'm ordinarily a huge fan (I saw him several times in the 80s and early 90s before whatever befell him), but this is truly awful. His legendary technique is even poor--how can he hit so many wrong notes at such a glacial tempo? I hope he gets better soon. At his peak, there was no one like him.
I have been a fan of Pogo from the very beginning, That being said, I cannot admire his playing in its current state. To perform something in a radically different interpretation just to be different is NOT a sign of greatness.
It seems like he is playing it for the radical music it is. Stripping the music of a programmatic context and approaching it as something abstract. That being said give me Will Kappell any day : )
I just came back from the concert taken place in Porec/Istria/Croatia where IP performed Liszt, Chopin and Ravel with breathtaking precision, energy and imagination! I was sitting 3 meters away from him and the ease how he was playing impressed me a lot. He has created such a positive atmosphere that those remarks on 'fatal illness' seem exaggerated to me. And, yes, he's consitent in his interpretation of Liszt - it sounds like here and some of us find it extremly exciting!
@Croat4747 Yes, I find it very unusial and exciting. Here I feel a real fear, the whole atmosphere of the piece is just awful! One can find the late I.P. very strange, but still he is a genious. I know many brilliant pianists, very good pianists indeed, but there are some figures among them which belong not to our World such as Mary Yudina, Alexei Soultanov, Ivo Pogorelich.
it is known around the music circle that he is fatally sick, therefore in heavy reliance of medication which forces him to play for sustenence meaning for living. it is such painful to witness this as his fan. god bless him.
That's a vicious and stupid lie. They were floating around the AIDS rumour about Pogorelich back during his 1993 tour. It was total bullshit then and now. He does NOT need to tour to support himself. Hell, the guy makes huge cash just from his jewelry design in Switzerland! So you're NO FAN of Pogorelich. Go eat a dick.
Calm down, hot head. I did not even blurt out the word AIDS in consideration of his privacy. but sick--ill he is as he adimits in many interview. i know that he designs jewelry and as a fan, we all wish that what you loudly stated above is the false claim. Ive gone to his many concerts since 1992 to recent come back at the met museum in 2006 and he did say that he was sick after the concert.
THAT'S all you got?? LOL Artists say they're sick all the time!! So what if he's a hypochondriac?? He's built like a truck and he's put on weight in the past few years -- WOW, he must be so SICK!! And what an insincere shitbag you are to even pretend to "consider his privacy"...man oh man. Fans like this he doesn't need.
The first time I though it was quite horrible, but after listening more I slowly understood what Pogorelich was doing, and it is certainly admirable. He needs courage to be himself like this and play differently. And his interpretation makes sense.
Its certainly clear that this IPs performance is tremendously different from the prominent ones, all available on YouTube (Richters, Horowitzs, Rubinsteins). Thus its not strange that our mental inertia protests against discrepancy with the inherited templates. To those felt injured I would suggest to keep listening to LP many times, as I did. Its true that the charming brilliance of, e.g. Richters introductory Mefistos theme makes a strong impact.
IP shows that the internal musical coherence is not necessarily achieved by the fluidity of tempo only- by insisting more on dramatic and diabolic aspects of the piece than on its dancing elements IP builds a monumental, logical, coherent and multidimensional musical structure.
I like this performance alot. Very refreshing. Saw him last year with Rachmaninoff - it was just perfect. Probably the reason why his playing changed over the year is due to the fact that he is his own teacher now - doesn't depend on what others tell him about how to play... we can now hear his real personality
for the last 5 years... all of pogo's performances have been a perversion of the music on the page. in beethoven, he brings out all the wrong things. In VA, he took a whole evening and performed the Chopin 3rd sonata with an intermission in the middle of it.
But on the other hand, maybe he's making a statement about the world of classical music right now and how manufactured piano playing has become.
omg, this has to be he worst mephisto ever! what happened to him??? this is simply horrible...... it is just sad to hear him play this way, i know how good he can be!
Hypnotising!!! Master of the music. New, fresh interpretation. We never know what to expect when we listen to his concerts, that is so exciting about him. He looks like Rachmaninoff, hand movements, haircut...Bravo Ivo!Wonderful to listen.
ok. he is a master of interpretation and everything. that being said, I think if the piece is played this way it takes on a different (not necessarily worse) but much less diabolical character. And I think that's what liszt was trying to portray in the first place.
Surely the most interesting (if not the only one) among living famous pianists.
A true artist, he gives the trace of the "it could be happened" of the piano interpretation history. He, Nyreghiazi, Sofronitzky, Francois, Scriabin......
Dear little viking (very little and extremely little as pianist) please go to your excercises and let in peace the people who appreciate Pogeorelich art, as my friend Sarrasani and many other here.
it's ok to be exenctric but it is my opinion that pogorelich has lost his mind! he is destroying the structure of this music for the sake of sounding diffrent than other pianists. it makes me sad because i used to be a great fan of his playing.
im the biggest ivo fan but i find this a bit neurotic.
iwritemusic1 5 hours ago
this rendition is not for the common imbecile as almost all pianists and commenters here....... is for geniuses, like me
MadamDoolally 2 weeks ago
@MadamDoolally lol!
iwritemusic1 5 hours ago
Orribile
sugarve 3 weeks ago
For all of you who are complaining about this performance or prefer how he used to play - what a sad bunch of jerks you all are. 1st, he's suffered from huge health problems for most of his adult life. 2nd, after his wife passed away, he stopped playing altogether for several years. 3rd, he's Ivo, you're not, and he can play anyway he wishes. Life is full of change and mystery and joy and sorrow and you're just gonna have to live with it - or, give us all a break - and don't!
umdala 1 month ago
it sounds too rough and stoppy after heard Cziffra:-(
929bluebird 1 month ago
Il déchiffre ou quoi ? On en fait tout un plat de Pogorelich, évidemment c'est du beau piano, mais ca n'a rien d'extraordinaire !
BeecolorGames 3 months ago
@BeecolorGames Tu écoutes là un de ses pires enregistrements ! Jette une oreille sur sa prestation de Gaspard de la Nuit par Ravel, tu verras toute la beauté de son jeu !
Psychotraumatic 3 weeks ago
Art of Genius Not 4 snobs lazy spoiled ears, every fookin' cell of his body IS given 2 us, TX IVO. YOU are the oly ONE.
JUGAopet1 3 months ago
@JUGAopet1 this is NO genius,... this is eccentric and DISTORTION of music,.... totally out of context and style,....
arturon111 2 months ago
'Schmiede mein Hammer ein hartes Schwert, einst färbte Blut dein falbes Blau, sein rothes Rieseln röthete dich: kalt lachtest du da, das warme lecktest du kühl! Heiiaho! Haha! Haheiaha! Nun hat die Glut dich rot geglüht, deine weiche Härte dem Hammer weicht: zornig sprühst du mir Funken, dass ich dich spröden gezähmt.
Schmiede mein Hammer ein hartes Schwert! Der frohen Funken wie freu ich mich; es ziert den Kühnen des Zornes Kraft..stellst du auch grimm dich u gram! [Wagner,Siegfried,1.Aufzug]
berlinzerberus 3 months ago
I've heard in some interviews, that he said himself he is a very profesional pianist, that works a lot and taht hios work is almost perfect if not perfect. This recording of the Liszt's Mephisto Waltz is terrible, how can a profesional plays with someone changing pages, is irrespectfully a performance reading notes, come one, this is not a conservatory presentation, the tempos where are they, you rash the sound, that is not tecnique, I prefer Pogorelich 20 yaers ago, sorry to see what you became
Multieduardo1962 4 months ago
Does he really need the music and a page turner?
I don't mind mistakes and the performance is individual, but not necessarily intelligent.
ReturnOfTheStienway 4 months ago
this is incredible
the2dmin 5 months ago
Бездарно!!!!
VaskevichAndrei 5 months ago
Well, if nothing else, he has certainly put an x-ray on the mephisto, and l, for one,appreciate it.
gerrarddominic1 5 months ago
A torture..
dgaranin 5 months ago
This is a perfect example if a true artist plays a piece totally different from the traditional way .... still convincing !
rhpianist 6 months ago
open-minded, adj: having a mind receptive to new ideas, arguments, etc.; unprejudiced
MrNobodyization 6 months ago
Ma perchè ti sei ridotto cosi?Cosa ti manca???Perchè non incidi??Qui c'è gente che ti adora!!!!
MrALCOTTS 6 months ago in playlist IVO POGORELICH
I finish...... To let see one of the greatest Pianist in his worth period.
kilmer70 7 months ago
I don't think one of you knows what a piano career means and what kind of sacrifices 24/7 you have to do... I know what I speak about. On top of this this is a video who is stolen!! Shame on the person who took this video and put on Internet without asking anything to the pianist... This "document" brings nothing to anybody serious. Just the fact that you present Ivo Pogorelich in his worth period... Are you proud of it? Sorry to give my opinion, but this is not suitable to let see one o the gr
kilmer70 7 months ago
@kilmer70 at least there is somebody understanding that this recording live is bullshit. I think this pianist has big problems, mental problems. Drugs probably too. He must have a dificoult private life and what is sad to see without the teacher he had he is lost concerning musicality.... Its a pity to see this video and you are right it should not be on youtube....
uhartchristian 6 months ago
@kilmer70 First of all, I'm also pianist, so I really know every details you can say about how tough can be life when you are a pianist. Then what do you think about all Horowitz pirate recordings made without his permission ? Most of them can be found on youtube, and they are not always showing a nice playing of him. Plenty of videos on youtube are recorded live and broadcasted without the agreement of the pianist.
And last of all, yes, I think I have to show this Mephisto because I don't think
macbruth 6 months ago
he's retarded or taking drugs or just mad, and I think he's playing in a different way which shows many many interesting things. Look at the score, and check that everything he does is written.
Life is not always beautiful, why should always be the sound beautiful ?
macbruth 6 months ago
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MrNobodyization 6 months ago
@kilmer70 Instead of complaining about pirate recordings, you could be thankful and acknowledge effort of uploader. He could keep the video to himself but he was so kind that he bothered to upload it and let 30,000 people watch His interpretation. I think that music of Pogorelich is unique and deep.Transcendental.His concerts are so emotional and moving that it gives me chills when I think about it. I never experienced anything like this in my 16 years of existence. But opend mind is required...
MrNobodyization 6 months ago
I quite like some of his playing in Part 2, but in Part 1 it sounds like a virtuoso elephant playing. The accents are just far too strong and it just sounds ugly. The piano doesn't sound particularly nice either, a bit tinny. The slow section is interesting, dreamy in parts, but if it's too slow it loses coherency. Still better to have an unusual interpretation than something run-of-the-mill
ukdavepianoman 7 months ago
twilight of an idol
deleuzeguattarixxx 7 months ago
Sorry, but to my mind this is very bad, he hammers the key at the very beginning and then when the gorgeous waltz comes, he plays it too slow. I didn't like this interpretation at all.
nicoejz 7 months ago
He becomes Lang Lang.
R.I.P
yenhoho 7 months ago
He is an idiot! It's like playing the piano with a hammer! He once broke a piano string, while playing Balakirev's Islamey.
Bochum96 8 months ago
Come in Rachmaninov, Sonata N. 2 e Momenti Musicali op. 16. Lentezza esasperante e soporifera, molte note tritate nelle alte velocità, estro capriccioso nell'espressività melodica ! Se ripenso a come eseguiva Ravel, Prokofieff e Schumann .... era da brividi !!! Vado subito a riascoltarli nei miei CD !!!
darkblueangel1956 8 months ago
It is truly interesting how all the living greats eventually become despised and over criticized. When they die it stops and they become great again. Richter played with music. It relaxes the performer, it's not like they he's doing prima vista. I hope Mr Pogorelich if he reads this has the wisdom to ignore it and continue doing his own thing and play many eagerly awaited concerts. I hope he has true friends who can support and help him with all this bs. Help him blossom, don't knock him down!!!
fandango1111 8 months ago
@fandango1111 So true.
lolitaeviston 7 months ago
@fandango1111 2:30 Can't first time he saw the notes, he is just overly imaginative so he composes his on parts in the piece.
He WAS true genius, but unfortunately after his devastating wife's death he lost it all. He isn't the Pogorelich he was.
pila406 5 months ago
drugs...
laqin007 8 months ago
just listen to Horowitz or Kapell. Those conceptions are about music not the performer.
pianopill88 9 months ago
el camarografo daña una obra tan buena como esta... que tristeza...
MrAndro58 9 months ago
ouch! painful
9samten 11 months ago
Its clear that he didnt work on this composition enough. He is reading from scores, he make silly slow tempos which is wrong because he is not done technicaly aspect of that parts of compositions. Even fast parts which he plays in tempo are not done and hes cheating.
predoje 11 months ago
@predoje he read for the scores in every recent concert. I saw him perform in Israel last year. Reading from the score doesn't mean he doesn't know the compositions he also has notations in the sheet music (i saw from the front row). his playing is very bold and extremely skilled and is in no way traditional. if you see his pedal work it makes your legs hurt. he played chopins 3rd sonata and the passages were so light and it seemed impossible to do.
Conner36 11 months ago
@Conner36 Are you saying that his memory is getting bad (old). Because of that he is using scores all the time? If healt is the problem that thats very big reason...
predoje 11 months ago
@predoje , oh come on, that's silly! Some of the most famous pianists have used the score including the late Dame Myra Hess, who always played with a score. In fact, that was the and has been a tradition in England. Also, it wasn't until Clara Schumann that people played things by memory---so you have hundreds of years preceding her where the standard was to play WITH the music! (understandably so!)...
galanter 8 months ago
What is he doing with tempos... Becuase of this wrong tempos he should BURN!!!
predoje 11 months ago 2
i don't see what's so bad about the performance. its recorded from someones home video camera from somewhere far away. i doubt the sound quality will be of a recording studio's. as for the speed, true fans of pogo will realize that part of his genius is his quarky tempos. they tend to be noticeably slower in a lot of pieces. its part of who he is. aside from tempo, i felt the phrasing and dynamics were executed very well.
Likeafoxow 1 year ago
If Liszt were alive today and Pogorelich had the opportunity to play Mephisto for him, would he play it like this? And if he did, I wonder how Liszt would have received such a performance? For me, this is the only relevant question.
kingdave84 1 year ago
You suck, man.
andrewzador 1 year ago
awful
Frederikamusic 1 year ago
I don't quite agree with the tempo solutions.
hamelin69 1 year ago 2
This is the most perfectly “owned” Mephisto I have ever heard! OMG!
theomusica 1 year ago
Definitive! Complete! Amazing!
I get it!
theomusica 1 year ago
It would be rather interesting to discover IP the composer. Just don't get the progressive, interpretative demise of such a hugh talent. He seems to insist in re-writing the compositions of others. And I disagree with those who claim that his technique is still apt. This all sounds most peculiar.
nestorar 1 year ago
This is the worst mephisto i have heard by a talented artist.
arabella1827 1 year ago
hug!
DanielRicardoCA 1 year ago
He plays like he is 120 years old. Just a morbid spectacle, like a two-headed boy or an elephant lady or David Helfgott.
nextren 1 year ago
The tempos and rubatos [if I may us that word loosely] for the Margaret theme are bizarre!
gerardbedecarter 1 year ago
che schifo!!!!
sugarve 1 year ago
@sugarve Dal momento che Ivo Pogorelich è un pianista di fama internazionale, ho fatto due ipotesi: 1) lo suona a prima vista (infatti non trovo altre esecuzioni del mephisto waltz) 2) stava male.
Penso che sia la prima.
massimiliano123123 1 year ago
Why the hell is the guy relying on music? Did all the heroin eat away the memory part of his brain?
meticulum 1 year ago
@meticulum
maybe for the same reason Richter did...age.
chystokletov 9 months ago
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harriter88 1 year ago
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harriter88 1 year ago
R.I.P. Ivo.
billyguns2 1 year ago
@billyguns2 ??
hellboyreloaded 1 year ago
@billyguns2 What are you taliking about, stupid man?
likaj69 1 year ago
Est-ce bien lui qui joue ? drôle d'interpétration pour ce génie du piano. par moment on dirait un débutant. Il travaille ce morceau plus qu'il ne le joue. Cette interprétation me touche malgré tout car elle est despérée. Je ne sais pas ce qu'il lui est arrivé mais on dirait qu'il est ivre de douleur. Mais je me trompe peut-être
mimli27 1 year ago
siete solo buoni a giudicare."mi é crolllato un mito" "ma dove é ivo" "che schifo di esecuzione". Pogorelich ha raggiunto delle vette assolute ed alcune sue esecuzioni sono tutt'ora insuperate.Vi aspettate sempre di più dalle persone senza scordarvi delle fragilità dell' uomo, ma lui ha già dato tantissimo e ha lasciato un gran segno nella storia del concertismo; voi invece ?.
lisztbest 1 year ago
@lisztbest io ho sborsato 50 euro per ascoltarlo... ti basta come motivo?
bolzano70 6 months ago
Ma la sta eseguendo a prima vista?
massimiliano123123 1 year ago
@massimiliano123123 sembrerebbe di si' e non per scherzo!
71lupenzo710 1 year ago
@71lupenzo710 se è così complimenti!
massimiliano123123 1 year ago
Che esecuzione di merda! That shit execution! Exécution de mérde!
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MATTDUNCAN1 1 year ago
@MATTDUNCAN1 I'm afraid it is him...I saw him in Dublin last night and the concert was absolutely horrifying. I am sorry to say it seems he has crossed the line between genius and insanity. He played this very piece last night: frankly this performance is credible compared to the utterly revolting distortion of Liszt's music I endured last night. Most of the audience left at the interval. I left during the Brahms A major intermezzo because I couldn't take it anymore. Truly tragic.
doshea3 1 year ago
@doshea3 very very saddening :((
MATTDUNCAN1 1 year ago
Wow. Pogorelich changed since his wife died...
I wonder if he would feel better after playing this waltz... His gameplay sounds like he is about to explode, or cry... That's so sad...But truly Pogorelich.
maxdesp 1 year ago
is the press talking about this.This is him. The hand movements could be a signature at 3:59. He had all this rep ertoire in his head at a very early age . This is so interesting .the slow part is really slow but has it ever sounder this meta-physically unearthly. The tension is still there in the slow part.This is the new wave of piano playing that in this century will find more adherents. turning 150 year old music into new .Ghostly.Macabre.
lovesGenet 1 year ago 2
En su interpretación impera el sonido como elemento principal y creo que por eso su interpretación es distinta. Si queisiera tocarlo normal o virtuosisticamente, lo haría, porque creo que tiene unos medios técnicos impresionantes. Hay que escucharlo desde su propia interpretación y no desde la de otros o la de uno mismo.
JFCB191271 1 year ago
i think it took a lot of courage for him to come back again, give him a bit more support he will be back in shape, after all he IS Ivo Pogorelich
xiuje87 1 year ago
i feel sorry for him.
kempff95 1 year ago
What is wrong with him? No meaning to insult or anything, but something really went wrong with him lately...Because of his depression during 1998-2000?
Why he takes it soooo slow? And since when he need page turner? He could play a 20 mins concerto without the notes and now he need the notes for a waltz?!
Scary...I really hope it is disposable.
pila406 1 year ago
What happened to him...?Can somebody help him or stop him before any next performances...?
Karpacz3 2 years ago
This is no t Ivo!
TheDazism 2 years ago
we sit with alex kobrin and we laughed a lot ! This is of course not him turning pages... :))
fondamentateam 2 years ago
i guess the musicality went with the hair?
mikejr41387 2 years ago 19
@mikejr41387 I want to cry for Ivo.
He's not getting any younger, another decade or two and he won't be playing much Liszt and Rachmaninoff, or his Gaspard de la Nuit. At some point in the future he'll get tired of scorning concertgoers everywhere and realize his fingers aren't what they used to be.
demosj 1 year ago
@demosj No need to worry about Pogorelich's fingers, they still obey whatever the great master likes to do with them! In November 2010. Pogo is touring Germany with his spectacular performance of Chopin 2nd Concerto which, performed live, is even more convincing, as I can witness after his recent concert in Zagreb, than his DG recording of this piece with Abbado in early 80-ties!
Croat4747 1 year ago
@mikejr41387 Listen to 4:00 through to about the 6:00 minute mark and say that again. The guy has more musicality in a single bead of sweat than most of his critics will ever achieve in their entire lifetime. Oh he's "too weird" or "not traditional enough" or is too "interpretive"... classical music critics need to pull their heads out of their asses and realize that if they don't stop criticizing the geniuses who reinvent these beautiful timeless pieces, then eventually people will stop caring.
zenmastermatt 1 year ago
@zenmastermatt Totally agree. The so called "classical music critics" along with the academics who leech carreers off of it and the wealthy who think they can buy culture and art are precisely what has made classical music unappealing to so many, and continues to kill it. I can't believe these over educated morons actually believe someone like Bach or Beethoven would give a shit about their list of degrees and snotassed opinions. I wish they'd just crawl into a dusty library corner and die ffs.
Cancrizans 1 year ago
@Cancrizans Issues? LOL-.
Ianthe22 1 year ago
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@zenmastermatt Totally agree. The so called "classical music critics" along with the academics who leech careers off of it and the wealthy who think they can buy culture and art are precisely what has made classical music unappealing to so many, and continues to kill it. I can't believe these over educated morons actually believe someone like Bach or Beethoven would give a shit about their list of degrees and snotassed opinions. I wish they'd just crawl into a dusty library corner and die ffs.
Cancrizans 1 year ago
Ivo only has evolved to the level that is hardly understandable.
TheSmellana 8 months ago
@mikejr41387 LOL
newFranzFerencLiszt 5 months ago
This is sad and shameful. I wonder what destroyed him.
nextren 2 years ago
Ma non è Pogorelich. E' Berlusconi!!!
giuseppedolce 2 years ago
page turner kind of looks like Alex Kobrin
CalistratBibescu 2 years ago
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MrLedZepper 2 years ago
We are all listening and watching something that has been captured regarding the relationships between Puer Aeternus and Senex, the musical fact is'nt so important
enantiodrom 2 years ago
estás loco quilloo
abets20 2 years ago
Ma dov'è il Grande Pogorelich????????
Ellinidara 2 years ago
si appunto non mi pare lui mi sembra malato che ne dici?ma mi sento triste...........
1LUPENZO 2 years ago
leggendo sul web si dice soffra di depressione dopo la morte della moglie e che abbia problemi psichici questo mi rattrista molto vederlo cosi' e' penoso triste forza ivo tieni duro e riprenditi
1LUPENZO 2 years ago
visiblement, ivo pogorelich a changé son jeu, et en premier lieu, a modifié sa technique. D'où, d'abord, une sonorité différente qu'il laisse à découvert, à l'état brut, sans pédale. Les parties lentes sont sans doutes trop lentes. Il est clair qu'il recherche une originalité et il la trouve: à l'ère de la vitesse et de l'abus de pédale, il va à l'encontre des interprétations usuelles. Est-il fidèle à Liszt? Seul Liszt pourrait répondre...
MYRHAH 2 years ago
Io l'ho sentito ieri sera. Una pena indicibile. Chopin era irriconoscibile, di una lentezza irritante. Il resto noioso. Sono andata via a metà.
ProfetaDeiGatti 2 years ago
@ProfetaDeiGatti
meglio il miagolio dei gatti?
enantiodrom 2 years ago
ma come si è ridotto!!!avrà solo una cinquantina d'anni e già è calvo, suona con la carta, e lento come un novantenne.... credo che forse è malato di qualcosa..perchè è strano...è così diverso da quando era ragazzo, non è più come una volta
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1LUPENZO 2 years ago
What the hell is this? Pogorelich is still capable of virtuosic fireworks, but his interpretative powers have suddenly left him.
This isn't a fresh or innovative interpretation - this is eccentricity. A sudden aversion to the pedal, accents placed on dissonant notes, entire stretches lost to incoherence, and the unlistenable 0:57.
If it was any other pianist alive today I'd lose hope, but for Pogorelich, I will wait for him to regain his senses. The best luck to him.
demosj 2 years ago
J'aime beaucoup cette interprétation.
antoinezygfryd 2 years ago
mi è crollato un mito!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sugarve 2 years ago
I'm ordinarily a huge fan (I saw him several times in the 80s and early 90s before whatever befell him), but this is truly awful. His legendary technique is even poor--how can he hit so many wrong notes at such a glacial tempo? I hope he gets better soon. At his peak, there was no one like him.
guitarwizard6 2 years ago
@guitarwizard6
He sold his Steinway and didn´t touch a piano for apr 3 years. He lost a lot of his technique during that period.
SevenCircles 1 year ago
I have been a fan of Pogo from the very beginning, That being said, I cannot admire his playing in its current state. To perform something in a radically different interpretation just to be different is NOT a sign of greatness.
MrRicksStudio 2 years ago
Beautiful Pogorelich!!! WE LOVE YOU!!!!!!
gahero31 2 years ago 2
It seems like he is playing it for the radical music it is. Stripping the music of a programmatic context and approaching it as something abstract. That being said give me Will Kappell any day : )
1fattyfatman 2 years ago
"William Kapell was a dilettante."
-Ivo Pogorelich, 1983
Brianjonestown 2 years ago
"Ivo Pogorelic" is Life.
ritosha 2 years ago 2
I just came back from the concert taken place in Porec/Istria/Croatia where IP performed Liszt, Chopin and Ravel with breathtaking precision, energy and imagination! I was sitting 3 meters away from him and the ease how he was playing impressed me a lot. He has created such a positive atmosphere that those remarks on 'fatal illness' seem exaggerated to me. And, yes, he's consitent in his interpretation of Liszt - it sounds like here and some of us find it extremly exciting!
Croat4747 2 years ago 10
@Croat4747 Yes, I find it very unusial and exciting. Here I feel a real fear, the whole atmosphere of the piece is just awful! One can find the late I.P. very strange, but still he is a genious. I know many brilliant pianists, very good pianists indeed, but there are some figures among them which belong not to our World such as Mary Yudina, Alexei Soultanov, Ivo Pogorelich.
Galiah13 1 year ago
@Croat4747 And of course Glenn Gould - he is with them...
Galiah13 1 year ago
@Galiah13 let's not forget Glenn <3
Frederikamusic 1 year ago
Sounds like me when I'm practicing on a really bad upright piano. Something is wrong here.
SimonCU 2 years ago
Something horrible has happened to Ivo over the years. His early performances were absolutely electrifying. It is very, very sad!
salviati 2 years ago
it is known around the music circle that he is fatally sick, therefore in heavy reliance of medication which forces him to play for sustenence meaning for living. it is such painful to witness this as his fan. god bless him.
Verityseo 2 years ago
Thank you, Verityseo. Do you know the nature of his illness?
salviati 2 years ago
That's a vicious and stupid lie. They were floating around the AIDS rumour about Pogorelich back during his 1993 tour. It was total bullshit then and now. He does NOT need to tour to support himself. Hell, the guy makes huge cash just from his jewelry design in Switzerland! So you're NO FAN of Pogorelich. Go eat a dick.
Brianjonestown 2 years ago
Calm down, hot head. I did not even blurt out the word AIDS in consideration of his privacy. but sick--ill he is as he adimits in many interview. i know that he designs jewelry and as a fan, we all wish that what you loudly stated above is the false claim. Ive gone to his many concerts since 1992 to recent come back at the met museum in 2006 and he did say that he was sick after the concert.
Verityseo 2 years ago
THAT'S all you got?? LOL Artists say they're sick all the time!! So what if he's a hypochondriac?? He's built like a truck and he's put on weight in the past few years -- WOW, he must be so SICK!! And what an insincere shitbag you are to even pretend to "consider his privacy"...man oh man. Fans like this he doesn't need.
Brianjonestown 2 years ago
is this even IVO ?
lovesGenet 2 years ago
Sure it is
macbruth 2 years ago
The first time I though it was quite horrible, but after listening more I slowly understood what Pogorelich was doing, and it is certainly admirable. He needs courage to be himself like this and play differently. And his interpretation makes sense.
chacoteris 2 years ago 3
This piece is supposed to be demonic, and this performance is!
He must be on drugs man!!!
pianocommy 2 years ago
Part2.
Its certainly clear that this IPs performance is tremendously different from the prominent ones, all available on YouTube (Richters, Horowitzs, Rubinsteins). Thus its not strange that our mental inertia protests against discrepancy with the inherited templates. To those felt injured I would suggest to keep listening to LP many times, as I did. Its true that the charming brilliance of, e.g. Richters introductory Mefistos theme makes a strong impact.
Croat4747 2 years ago 3
Part1.
IP shows that the internal musical coherence is not necessarily achieved by the fluidity of tempo only- by insisting more on dramatic and diabolic aspects of the piece than on its dancing elements IP builds a monumental, logical, coherent and multidimensional musical structure.
Croat4747 2 years ago
I like this performance alot. Very refreshing. Saw him last year with Rachmaninoff - it was just perfect. Probably the reason why his playing changed over the year is due to the fact that he is his own teacher now - doesn't depend on what others tell him about how to play... we can now hear his real personality
campazara 2 years ago
for the last 5 years... all of pogo's performances have been a perversion of the music on the page. in beethoven, he brings out all the wrong things. In VA, he took a whole evening and performed the Chopin 3rd sonata with an intermission in the middle of it.
But on the other hand, maybe he's making a statement about the world of classical music right now and how manufactured piano playing has become.
still crazy.
crazy crazy crazy...
pervert.
ellihaysee 2 years ago
omg, this has to be he worst mephisto ever! what happened to him??? this is simply horrible...... it is just sad to hear him play this way, i know how good he can be!
ugolinoandhissons 2 years ago
coming back to the facts...
because someone does something completely ridiculous, doesn't mean it's good, it is just ridiculous.
Look at sarassini's videos for example.
does nobody appreciate MUSIC?
viking88viking 2 years ago
Ye, I really feel the devil dancing.. Oh, no.. I listen to something else. This is... very.... much something else...?
Pianisteny2k 2 years ago
is this seriously how he interprets it or is he just trying to be different?
morvensky 2 years ago
This is ridiculous!
langlois1 2 years ago
Hypnotising!!! Master of the music. New, fresh interpretation. We never know what to expect when we listen to his concerts, that is so exciting about him. He looks like Rachmaninoff, hand movements, haircut...Bravo Ivo!Wonderful to listen.
vladimirgligoric 2 years ago 4
ok. he is a master of interpretation and everything. that being said, I think if the piece is played this way it takes on a different (not necessarily worse) but much less diabolical character. And I think that's what liszt was trying to portray in the first place.
willthedrill100 2 years ago 4
Ivo Pogorelich.
Like always, GENIUS.
2w1w 2 years ago 4
I agree with Sarrasani, he's one of the greatest pianist and master of interpetation, he can actually do whatever he likes to.
enantiodrom 2 years ago 2
Surely the most interesting (if not the only one) among living famous pianists.
A true artist, he gives the trace of the "it could be happened" of the piano interpretation history. He, Nyreghiazi, Sofronitzky, Francois, Scriabin......
SarrasaniPianoCircus 2 years ago 4
You have no authority whatsoever to make this claim. One look at your videos proves otherwise.
Why is it that whenever someone does something rediculously out of style, half the world labels them "GENIOUS"
You are an idiot.
viking88viking 2 years ago
Your boring and unuseful pianism is equal to your arrogance and fascism.
No problems for me, life will provide to teach how much you are ignorant and stupid.
samanarre 2 years ago
Are you speaking to me or to viking?
SarrasaniPianoCircus 2 years ago
To viking, obvious.
Bye my friend!!
samanarre 2 years ago
Dear little viking (very little and extremely little as pianist) please go to your excercises and let in peace the people who appreciate Pogeorelich art, as my friend Sarrasani and many other here.
You are a poor (almost) human case.
samanarre 2 years ago
superb!
rolipoli 2 years ago 3
:o(
martaKetamin 2 years ago
grow up!
listen to horowitz, kissin, cziffra or even richter - why shoud he not play differently?
And when he is decontruchting the piece, the music will go on, with or without my or your opinion about it!
I'm concerned thougt, that he's playing ist technically behind his will to play differently (those dammed hands, as glenn used to say!) love aly
alykoss 2 years ago
it's ok to be exenctric but it is my opinion that pogorelich has lost his mind! he is destroying the structure of this music for the sake of sounding diffrent than other pianists. it makes me sad because i used to be a great fan of his playing.
driemaaldrommels 2 years ago 2
I'ts very, very sad
jewgienij13 2 years ago
Tu es vite, toi!
eduardommm 2 years ago
he's lost it
osukaro 2 years ago
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somethin wrong with him???
rabbitpiano 2 years ago
Genius!
Pogouldiwitz 2 years ago
O_o
cholapat 2 years ago