conservative with a small 'c' might bear some relation to resource management. IOW, the plain spoken meaning of conservative has been lost, replaced by neo-con, tea-party and other unhelpful habits of thought. Going easy with remaining resources is sensible. Unfortunately, it means making choices that are very difficult. Something is going to have to give. The biggest part of a green revolution will be using less. That's the main way it might work. Assuming normal consumption is delusional.
i really liked it from 18:20 onwards, how the current generation of kids thinks differently:
>"the young kids they don't think right/left... don't think capitalism/socialism, liberal/conservative. When they judge institutional behaviour - the internet generation - they ask is this institution centralised, patriarchal, top down, closed and proprietary...or is this institutional behaviour distributed, collaborative, open, transparent and lateral. That's all the spectrum we need to get it right"
This man speaks of a global population crisis, global climate change, how we need a global power grid to 'save humanity', and a political/power structure that mimics the European Union? I don't like the smell of him one bit. The reason Oil Prices skyrocketed is because the world reserve currency is the dollar, and it's value fell drastically in the years he stated, it's not because some oil company could not supply the demand of rising 3rd war nations, that's a damned lie.
i love his ideas but as a young person, i must say most of my peers are not like what he is describing. I would say most young people now are extremely short sighted and pleasure oriented. Do you agree or disagree and why
@ShowSomeLove89 Global government and integration is the wave of the future, sorry. What matters is who controls it: the workers of the world or a small parasitic group? It will take struggle to accomplish the former, but pointless fear will make the latter easier.
@ipwnorcs people hate me for saying this, but communism came at a wrong time. Pretty much every societal structure was susceptible to corruption, we are just moving out of one as we realize the potential of constant transparency.
Personally I love seeing groups taking the initiative and consume their market.
@dririthlan problem with communism mate (don't worry, I'm not TOTALLY disagreeing with you :D) is that it still has a competitive monetary market based paradigm, and was designed solely to oppose capitalism. What this dude it talking about is the beginning of the first stages of a resource based economy
@Dagvalda I still maintain you are talking about the political movement of communism not the social and economical ideology it was based on. I'm just particularly referring to the work of Karl Marx. I just think given certain technological advances like for instance cars and internet could have had it come to fruition differently.
Main thing is, we need to work on transparency before we bring in a new way of looking at economics and politics.
Union for the Mediterranean, Unasur, North American Union.... the continentalization agenda has been unfolding for a looooooooong time. Smart grids... these things were conceived and planned long ago. The technical roots of this go back at least to the 1930's (Technocracy Inc). Nothing exactly "new" about it. The "Church(es)" wasn't/weren't ready for it at the time. Reminds me of the supressing of Teilhard de Chardin's books.
Rifkin, in a way, reminds me of Brzezinski in the 1960's, when Between Two Ages was first published. Both are very influential within their political spheres - Brzezinski in the US, Rifkin in the EU. Btw, I bet Rifkin has some interesting conversations with his friends in Bethesda, Maryland.
@QuitePossiblyANinja Who says? The logic there is that people will only start to think about alternatives when there is no choice. We Must continue to educate people of alternatives because so many of us just simply do not know. Get this Viral!
I just listened to the full-length (1hr14) audio via the link in the information provided by the uploader. It's well worth a listen if you have the time. Rifkin says a lot more and there is a good Q&A. Interesting comments regarding influencing politicians to take notice of the need to make the changes that Rifkin and others are campaigning for.
I like the idea behind it, but adherence to an economic system controlled by the "elite" is still the same old model, just a wolf changing from one sheep's clothing to another. If implementing such a system is so important that life as we know it will cease to exist within a few decades, why get hung up on monetary value and cost. If life on this planet is so important, why not scrap our current system and go with the new one? Bottom line,because someone still feels the need to be in control.
This guy has no concept of how the Internet works. His view is very superficial and romantic. Energy communism sounds great but would never work. Ever.
@kekeke01 I think Rifkin is using a loose analogy of the Internet in order to explain the ideas. No doubt he could make a stronger case, given more time to present the details. I noticed he checked his watch a few times so he was obviously pushed for time. Also, we don't know the audience, perhaps not very tech-aware, so he had to keep it simple.
He is making the assumption that the value of the fiat money is not manipulated and that the political warfare is not intimate in the price fluctuations.
Great, but i think its too late for the change. Too much time and resources wasted already. I wish to be more optimistic, but 30 years its a very short time. Maybe after the collapse of our current Oil based world and 70 % population decrease and find balance , this new vision will rise from rubble. Maybe. I sure hope so
I think he totally misrepresents the financial crisis and Occupy Wall Street. Oil prices may have had something to do with the collapse, but it was primary due to the housing bubble and the bets of investment banks. Also, Occupy is indeed about Right vs. Left: economic "conservatives" during the Clinton and Bush administrations deregulated the banks, and then promoted bailing them out after the collapse: actions that Occupy opposed.
Heh, Rifkin was named "The Most Hated Man in Science" in 1989 by Time. I can see why because of his extraordinary claims without much evidence to back their feasibility.
Jeremy is great as usual. But description is criminal: ".. thousands of businesses and millions of jobs.." Stop waving that rotten, idiotic, carrot of JOOOBS in from of our noses! Most people need income first.. then maybe something describable as "job".. but that toxic word also needs fundamental rethinking.
nothing compares to oil in terms of energy density...wind and solar are 1/10 the density....nat gas and nuclear have the most density....electric car batteries have a low density..the US navy uses small nuclear reactors that have never leaked or failed and nat gas is abundant. I'm all for people making there own energy but governments legislating energy policy is inefficient...let the market decide without government subsidies what energy paradigm is supreme...
@mike6459 If we do that our doom is ensured. The market has no sense of the long-term or of being patient now so that we can survive longer. It's the tragedy of the commons.
@jdebruynviolin A market is a reflection of the people and society in which it exists. So, whether or not it's patient has to do with a particular people and society. The same would be true of non-market societies.
Right now, these ideas are very abstract, and are hard to implement in our current technological and sociopolitical climate, we need another Thomas Edison, another Nicholas Tesla.
unless you understand fiat money and the FED and how it inflates the oil price there is no fix....compare the price of oil to gold and it's gone down...when it was 147 a barrel...gold was 1200 an oz...today 100 a barrel and gold is over 1600...go back to a gold standard on money to buy oil and people will not starve
all the "things" he talks about that'll magick the new order into play are products of high energy industry - science, computers, mobile phones, communication towers, grids etc: the new world of distributed energy will have a big job to deliver energy concentrations for manufacturing, or extraction.
@dumbnetworks We're dead anyways because obviously some retarded contry will launch a nuke at some point, ending up with the earth becoming a crispy coal ball. :3
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8legsFreak 1 day ago
conservative with a small 'c' might bear some relation to resource management. IOW, the plain spoken meaning of conservative has been lost, replaced by neo-con, tea-party and other unhelpful habits of thought. Going easy with remaining resources is sensible. Unfortunately, it means making choices that are very difficult. Something is going to have to give. The biggest part of a green revolution will be using less. That's the main way it might work. Assuming normal consumption is delusional.
thdyoung 3 weeks ago
i really liked it from 18:20 onwards, how the current generation of kids thinks differently:
>"the young kids they don't think right/left... don't think capitalism/socialism, liberal/conservative. When they judge institutional behaviour - the internet generation - they ask is this institution centralised, patriarchal, top down, closed and proprietary...or is this institutional behaviour distributed, collaborative, open, transparent and lateral. That's all the spectrum we need to get it right"
roidroid 3 weeks ago
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trifelinj 3 weeks ago 2
I wished more people were like this guy....
Abcflc 4 weeks ago in playlist Education, Public Policy and Social Affairs
this made me very...lateral!
xjustamem0ryx 1 month ago in playlist Education, Public Policy and Social Affairs
good luck funding this.
MrBasssex 1 month ago
This man speaks of a global population crisis, global climate change, how we need a global power grid to 'save humanity', and a political/power structure that mimics the European Union? I don't like the smell of him one bit. The reason Oil Prices skyrocketed is because the world reserve currency is the dollar, and it's value fell drastically in the years he stated, it's not because some oil company could not supply the demand of rising 3rd war nations, that's a damned lie.
ShowSomeLove89 1 month ago in playlist Education, Public Policy and Social Affairs
i love his ideas but as a young person, i must say most of my peers are not like what he is describing. I would say most young people now are extremely short sighted and pleasure oriented. Do you agree or disagree and why
ridimwave 1 month ago in playlist Education, Public Policy and Social Affairs 2
We need a decentralized collaborative system, and that is what Jeremy Rifkin suggests.
betadryl 1 month ago
@betadryl Yes but he talks about 'plugging' in to a centralized energy (computer?) system. It sounds very Orwellian to me.
ShowSomeLove89 1 month ago in playlist Education, Public Policy and Social Affairs
@ShowSomeLove89 Global government and integration is the wave of the future, sorry. What matters is who controls it: the workers of the world or a small parasitic group? It will take struggle to accomplish the former, but pointless fear will make the latter easier.
ipwnorcs 3 weeks ago
I think you misunderstood the concept of distributed system if you think communism will provide just that.
betadryl 1 month ago
@ipwnorcs people hate me for saying this, but communism came at a wrong time. Pretty much every societal structure was susceptible to corruption, we are just moving out of one as we realize the potential of constant transparency.
Personally I love seeing groups taking the initiative and consume their market.
Now I am ready to see politics do the same.
dririthlan 1 month ago
@dririthlan problem with communism mate (don't worry, I'm not TOTALLY disagreeing with you :D) is that it still has a competitive monetary market based paradigm, and was designed solely to oppose capitalism. What this dude it talking about is the beginning of the first stages of a resource based economy
Dagvalda 1 month ago 2
@Dagvalda I still maintain you are talking about the political movement of communism not the social and economical ideology it was based on. I'm just particularly referring to the work of Karl Marx. I just think given certain technological advances like for instance cars and internet could have had it come to fruition differently.
Main thing is, we need to work on transparency before we bring in a new way of looking at economics and politics.
dririthlan 1 month ago
Time for some communism! For the greater evolution of human society.
ipwnorcs 1 month ago
This talk should be animated.
machinevos 1 month ago 15
Union for the Mediterranean, Unasur, North American Union.... the continentalization agenda has been unfolding for a looooooooong time. Smart grids... these things were conceived and planned long ago. The technical roots of this go back at least to the 1930's (Technocracy Inc). Nothing exactly "new" about it. The "Church(es)" wasn't/weren't ready for it at the time. Reminds me of the supressing of Teilhard de Chardin's books.
advogadohistoriador 1 month ago
Rifkin, in a way, reminds me of Brzezinski in the 1960's, when Between Two Ages was first published. Both are very influential within their political spheres - Brzezinski in the US, Rifkin in the EU. Btw, I bet Rifkin has some interesting conversations with his friends in Bethesda, Maryland.
advogadohistoriador 1 month ago
Add in decentralised manufacturing in the form of 3D printing technology and this is the kind of future I can live in.
carbronica 1 month ago 2
great lecture
delakh1 1 month ago
nothing is going to happen until everything collapses. then nothing can happen.
QuitePossiblyANinja 1 month ago
@QuitePossiblyANinja Who says? The logic there is that people will only start to think about alternatives when there is no choice. We Must continue to educate people of alternatives because so many of us just simply do not know. Get this Viral!
Lukejcarter 1 month ago
Wow... Extremely well explained.
paarten 1 month ago
"Money/market" is ROOT of problems.
Automation & cheap labor = NO JOBS = No consumers = capitalism is over
NOW we can:
1. FREELY Share ALL resources & knowledge worldwide, NO more money/property
2. Use LATEST technology to create an ABUNDANCE of all our needs, NO more waste/theft
3. Automate/localize ALL production and distribution, NO more central control/wage slavery
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dontblockmedk 1 month ago
I just listened to the full-length (1hr14) audio via the link in the information provided by the uploader. It's well worth a listen if you have the time. Rifkin says a lot more and there is a good Q&A. Interesting comments regarding influencing politicians to take notice of the need to make the changes that Rifkin and others are campaigning for.
LsBaba 1 month ago
Money are supposed to be critical theory founded in paradigm. But it has evolved into social-constructivism.
mcspirit 1 month ago
I like the idea behind it, but adherence to an economic system controlled by the "elite" is still the same old model, just a wolf changing from one sheep's clothing to another. If implementing such a system is so important that life as we know it will cease to exist within a few decades, why get hung up on monetary value and cost. If life on this planet is so important, why not scrap our current system and go with the new one? Bottom line,because someone still feels the need to be in control.
jeffh2975 1 month ago
This guy has no concept of how the Internet works. His view is very superficial and romantic. Energy communism sounds great but would never work. Ever.
kekeke01 1 month ago
@kekeke01 I think Rifkin is using a loose analogy of the Internet in order to explain the ideas. No doubt he could make a stronger case, given more time to present the details. I noticed he checked his watch a few times so he was obviously pushed for time. Also, we don't know the audience, perhaps not very tech-aware, so he had to keep it simple.
LsBaba 1 month ago
@kekeke01 oh i'm glad i'm not the only one who cringed everytime he made that analogy.
roidroid 3 weeks ago
He is making the assumption that the value of the fiat money is not manipulated and that the political warfare is not intimate in the price fluctuations.
rockymountainprep 1 month ago
Great, but i think its too late for the change. Too much time and resources wasted already. I wish to be more optimistic, but 30 years its a very short time. Maybe after the collapse of our current Oil based world and 70 % population decrease and find balance , this new vision will rise from rubble. Maybe. I sure hope so
masteriux 1 month ago in playlist Education, Public Policy and Social Affairs
@masteriux I believe we will have a mass die-off as well.
All of these intellectual talks are pointing towards that conclusion, but the speakers dance around the highly uncomfortable topic every time.
TheSelfGoverned 1 month ago
@TheSelfGoverned it's just another Malthusian catastrophe that we'll solve, same as we always do.
It's fun solving these things.
roidroid 3 weeks ago
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Examples:
- One company with thousands of workers can produce all socks needed.
- We produce each year billions of T-shirts.
- And so on…
Agricultural and Industrial workers represent around 20% of the population and we still over produce.
I see plenty of space to organise clearly on minded way an organisation for sharing work, hardness, resources… and saving free time for all.
GaiaIsOurMother 1 month ago
If build a house and it falls down, don't rebuild it the same way :-|
twistedbass15 1 month ago
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I think he totally misrepresents the financial crisis and Occupy Wall Street. Oil prices may have had something to do with the collapse, but it was primary due to the housing bubble and the bets of investment banks. Also, Occupy is indeed about Right vs. Left: economic "conservatives" during the Clinton and Bush administrations deregulated the banks, and then promoted bailing them out after the collapse: actions that Occupy opposed.
Agnotio 1 month ago in playlist Education, Public Policy and Social Affairs
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Agnotio 1 month ago in playlist Education, Public Policy and Social Affairs
Heh, Rifkin was named "The Most Hated Man in Science" in 1989 by Time. I can see why because of his extraordinary claims without much evidence to back their feasibility.
Agnotio 1 month ago in playlist Education, Public Policy and Social Affairs
Jeremy is great as usual. But description is criminal: ".. thousands of businesses and millions of jobs.." Stop waving that rotten, idiotic, carrot of JOOOBS in from of our noses! Most people need income first.. then maybe something describable as "job".. but that toxic word also needs fundamental rethinking.
MarkoKraguljac 1 month ago in playlist Education, Public Policy and Social Affairs
@MarkoKraguljac How do you get income with a job, unless you're already wealthy.
rctube1958 1 month ago in playlist Education, Public Policy and Social Affairs
@rctube1958 We are all already wealthy.
MarkoKraguljac 1 month ago
spoken like a true statist
mike6459 1 month ago
Genius. Now he just needs to talk to everyone in the world. Dang it.
Also, I'd love to hear how that "energy internet" thing actually works. It sounds like science fiction.
jdebruynviolin 1 month ago
nothing compares to oil in terms of energy density...wind and solar are 1/10 the density....nat gas and nuclear have the most density....electric car batteries have a low density..the US navy uses small nuclear reactors that have never leaked or failed and nat gas is abundant. I'm all for people making there own energy but governments legislating energy policy is inefficient...let the market decide without government subsidies what energy paradigm is supreme...
mike6459 1 month ago
@mike6459 Market is too chaotic and shortsighted.
MarkoKraguljac 1 month ago in playlist Education, Public Policy and Social Affairs
@mike6459 If we do that our doom is ensured. The market has no sense of the long-term or of being patient now so that we can survive longer. It's the tragedy of the commons.
jdebruynviolin 1 month ago
@jdebruynviolin A market is a reflection of the people and society in which it exists. So, whether or not it's patient has to do with a particular people and society. The same would be true of non-market societies.
rctube1958 1 month ago in playlist Education, Public Policy and Social Affairs
@mike6459 fuck the market, let's let human needs and scientific method decide what energy paradigm is supreme lol
rikk06 1 month ago in playlist Education, Public Policy and Social Affairs
@rikk06 ya...they all work for free, don;t they
mike6459 1 month ago
@mike6459 lol yes, good point
rikk06 1 month ago
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@rikk06 human needs + scientific method = the market.
rctube1958 1 month ago in playlist Education, Public Policy and Social Affairs
unless you get rid of paper fiat money, there is no fix for this
mike6459 1 month ago
Right now, these ideas are very abstract, and are hard to implement in our current technological and sociopolitical climate, we need another Thomas Edison, another Nicholas Tesla.
TheDepreso 1 month ago
unless you understand fiat money and the FED and how it inflates the oil price there is no fix....compare the price of oil to gold and it's gone down...when it was 147 a barrel...gold was 1200 an oz...today 100 a barrel and gold is over 1600...go back to a gold standard on money to buy oil and people will not starve
mike6459 1 month ago
all the "things" he talks about that'll magick the new order into play are products of high energy industry - science, computers, mobile phones, communication towers, grids etc: the new world of distributed energy will have a big job to deliver energy concentrations for manufacturing, or extraction.
thdyoung 1 month ago in playlist Education, Public Policy and Social Affairs
how do you do produce steel using solar energy ?
thdyoung 1 month ago in playlist Education, Public Policy and Social Affairs
@thdyoung Trun the light into eletricity then use it to power an arc furnice.
kokofan50 1 month ago in playlist Education, Public Policy and Social Affairs
@thdyoung Solar Furnace
roidroid 3 weeks ago
This man speaks the truth!
TheGerogero 1 month ago
Wheres the money?
haribharadwaj1 1 month ago in playlist Education, Public Policy and Social Affairs
@haribharadwaj1 Stuck in 401ks, treasury bonds, and mutual funds.
You know....fake paper investments.
TheSelfGoverned 1 month ago
@haribharadwaj1 Money is just the oil of the engine. You should think in man-hours, energy-sources etc.
machinevos 1 month ago
Here we go again, an other company thinking they're going to change the world...
MrGmodlol61 1 month ago
@MrGmodlol61 Did I miss something? What company is trying to change the world?
AsifVidios 1 month ago
@MrGmodlol61 either change it or we all die by the end of the century
dumbnetworks 1 month ago
@dumbnetworks We're dead anyways because obviously some retarded contry will launch a nuke at some point, ending up with the earth becoming a crispy coal ball. :3
MrGmodlol61 1 month ago
Sounds like a transitional phase towards a Resource Based Economy to me. <3
mysterywhiteboy72 1 month ago in playlist Education, Public Policy and Social Affairs 57
@mysterywhiteboy72 THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING BOUT!! lol xD
WTFRickWolford 1 month ago