SDA Church - Satan and the Seventh-day Adventist

[frantzone1]

Stop sinning

[frantzone1]

You must have satan in you to post this video because it's useless to attack one of the religions like the sda. Religions don't save people but the word of God... Why don't you spread word of God instead of criticizing religion...

[jams959]

to all 7th day adventist, I am saved by grace alone not the law. I see nothing in the bible about egw or her false teachings. John 14:6 Jeremiah 31 31-34. You can not add to the free gift of salvation. If people keep their eyes on the cross of Christ not false teachings(2tim.4:1-5) we would be much better off. As a born again christian, i serve Christ not the law. As far as the sabbath....i choose to praise God every day. God wants your heart not a legal relationship.

[intox1]

Jesus Paid for our sins, as in he was Punished from them

what sin is left to be put on satan???

satan will be punished for his own sin, for his inability to submit to Christ

just like anyone else who refuses to believe

[eulex10]

lol

this video is so funny!

[MrAnthonyRizzo]

Don’t be fooled; Satan indeed will be punished for the transgressions of all the forgiven saints because it is he that instigated them all and, be assured that this punishment in no way clears a sinner, penitent or otherwise but sin is real and tangible and to think that it does not pollute and has not marred God’s son or heaven is to make the atonement of no effect. Sin must be cut off and destroyed and this will happen right at the source, Satan.

[wassuptoday]

@MrAnthonyRizzo Before we look at the subject of whether Jesus will eventually place all confessed sins on Satan's head, please confirm whether you believe that the heavenly sanctuary, which is God's throne itself, is the most polluted place in Heaven right now because it has, and still is being, defiled by the confessed sins of believers. Please quote a Bible text in support if you believe that this is so.

[wassuptoday]

@MrAnthonyRizzo Correction: Before we look at the subject of whether Jesus will eventually place all confessed sins on Satan's head, please confirm whether you believe that the heavenly sanctuary, which is God's throne itself, is the most polluted place in Heaven right now because it has been and is still being defiled by the confessed sins of believers. Please quote a Bible text in support if you believe that this is so.

[MrAnthonyRizzo]

@wassuptoday What are you correcting? You say that Adventist teach that Satan takes our sins away. I said we don’t. It is your misinterpretation that I clarified. There is nothing else to add unless you want to introduce more convoluted interpretations of Adventist doctrine.

[wassuptoday]

@MrAnthonyRizzo Did I say that Adventists teach that Satan takes our sins away? In my video I only said that Christ will transfer confessed sins to Satan (as claimed by EGW). "For the sins of those who are redeemed by the blood of Christ will at last be rolled back upon the originator of sin, and he must bear their punishment ..." (EGW - Early Writings p 178).



[MrAnthonyRizzo]

@wassuptoday Your words,“As a Seventh-day Adventist, Satan plays a vital role in your salvation...you are temporarily forgiven…under the condemnation of the law…if you have overcome…sins to Satan who will pay the penalty.” This is not SDA teaching. Salvation was bought & paid for at the cross. If you believe you will allow the Holy Spirit to transform you. Your name sealed as bought & paid for by Christ in the Book of Life. Satan will have to pay for his part in tempting you. Simple.

[wassuptoday]

@MrAnthonyRizzo (1) "Important truths concerning the atonement may be learned from the typical service.A substitute was accepted in the sinner's stead; but the sin was not cancelled by the blood of the victim. A means was thus provided by which it was transferred to the sanctuary. By the offering of blood, the sinner acknowledged the authority of the law, confessed his guilt in transgression, and expressed his desire for pardon through faith in a Redeemer to come;" ... contd (2)

[wassuptoday]

@MrAnthonyRizzo (2) ... contd from (1) " ... but he was not yet entirely released from the condemnation of the law... And what was done in type in the ministration of the earthly sanctuary is done in reality in the ministration of the heavenly sanctuary."(EGW - The Great Controversy - Page 420).

[MrAnthonyRizzo]

@wassuptoday Do you understand why Ms. White was inspired by the Holy Spirit to pen those words? It is precisely because of the type of popular evangelical belief that you espouse today. The once saved always saved theology is a damnable heresy. It discourages the daily prayer and meditation on the holy that God would have his children do. The only way to avoid evil is to contemplate on good and you will not do that if you feel secure despite your folly.

[wassuptoday]

@MrAnthonyRizzo You said: "The only way to avoid evil is to contemplate on good...". So is it your duty to achieve perfect holiness in order to share the benefits of Christ's mediation? If so, what's your definition of "perfect holiness" & when will you be able to achieve this goal?

[elmensagero1]

yep i have been reading about it. thanks

[radiomanguy]

Ephesians 2:8,9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

Micah 7:19 You will again have compassion on us; you will tread our sins underfoot and hurl all our iniquities into the depths of the sea.

[EyeRonin]

well there went 1 minute, 22 seconds I'll never get back. That was the stupidest, manipulated lie I ever heard.

[wassuptoday]

@EyeRonin So I guess you disagree with the Adventist belief that Jesus will place all confessed sins of believers on Satan who will carry those sins into the lake of fire & pay the final penalty for those sins - right?

[elmensagero1]

any will fit the description, because it was not the building it self but what was inside and what was taking place there every day. my point is that Jesus is now in that tabernacle the one made by God himself, and the same prosses follows, Jesus have to present his own blood now to the father. just like in the earthly tabernacle. see... what took place for thousands of years on the earthly tabernacle was the Gospel in symbols but it keeps going its not over yet. see what i mean?

[wassuptoday]

@elmensagero1 So, do you believe that it was acceptable if Moses had built the movable tabernacle in the wilderness without needing to follow exactly the specific instructions given by God? For example, it still would have been all right if Moses had constructed the tabernacle without its compound being surrounded by a high fence with only one entrance located to the east - right?

[elmensagero1]

@elmensagero1 Moses obviously followed the pattern shown to him, its written. but u keep asking questions and don't answer mine...

[wassuptoday]

@elmensagero1 Now to answer your questions. Just by checking the materials used to construct the sanctuary in the wilderness & Solomon's temple, you can't conclude that both were exact copies of the heavenly one. SDAs believe that Christ has been cleansing the heavenly sanctuary since 1844 & if you believe this, please furnish your reasons. John the Revelator didn't say that the Sabbath commandment was still valid when he saw the heavenly Ark during his vision.

[elmensagero1]

@wassuptoday fair anough. But do u think is possible that the original ark in heavens contains the original Commandments? remember the ark is also his throne so is very important. so what do you think Jesus is doing in that santuary?

[wassuptoday]

@elmensagero1 Ellen G White claimed that she saw, in a vision, the tables of stones (i.e. the Ten Commandments) kept inside the heavenly ark. Please refer to the video "SDA Church - Ellen G White's Vision or imagination?"

[wassuptoday]

@elmensagero1 According to Adventist belief, we're still in the great & final day of atonement and Jesus is now inside the most holy place in the heavenly sanctuary as he's involved in the Investigative Judgment & when this judgment is concluded, he will cleanse the heavenly sanctuary by placing all confessed sins of believers on Satan the scapegoat. Do you agree with this explanation?

[elmensagero1]

@wassuptoday hello there welcome back.

i do believe most of that. i do believe that Jesus is in the great temple in heaven, the real temple. because that is clear in the bible and as far as what exactly he is doing in there is not too all clear to me but for sure he is there no doubt about it. thanks

[wassuptoday]

@elmensagero 1 While the high priest was still inside the most holy place cleansing the earthly sanctuary on the day of atonement,he could not at the same time make any sacrifices on behalf of the Israelites.Since Adventists believe that we're still in the great & final Day of Atonement in which Jesus is now inside the most holy place in the heavenly sanctuary,therefore He's unable to offer sacrifices & intercede for Christians(Heb 7:24 & 8:1-5)as long as He's inside there. Do you agree to this?

[elmensagero1]

@wassuptoday well, not true brother. u sound to me like u are going around the bushes. u have to look at the santuary as whole now, but u have to take in consideration the symbols also in the proper way. what was the attonement day? and what took place inside the temple that day? specialy in the holy of holies. the blood of the expiation day(attonement, yom kippur) sacrifice was sprinkled in the ark direction (Lev. 16) so now Jesus sprinkel his own blood, once he is done he will return again.

[wassuptoday]

@elmensagero1 Let's refer to your own sins. Every time you confess your sins whether you confess them today or tomorrow, they will be transferred into the heavenly sanctuary thus defiling it. But you claim that Jesus is now inside the most holy place & sprinkling His own blood in the direction of the Ark (to cleanse the sanctuary). So there appears to be a stalemate as we've got a situation where daily defiling & daily cleansing are taking place at the same time, right?

[elmensagero1]

@wassuptoday i see what u are saying. Christ took our sins in his body when he died in the cross. but he is the priest and the lamb as well symbolicaly speaking according to the bible so he does both funtions in a way. revelations 21:6 Jesus says “It is done" it is done what? he is done cleansing the sin out of the universe and that is when the priest (Jesus) will come out of that temple to a clean "Israel" just like in the attonement day.

[wassuptoday]

@elmensagero1 EGW blamed luke-warm Adventists in her day had delayed Christ's 2nd coming:"Had the purpose of God been carried out by His people in giving the world the message of mercy,Christ would,ere this,have come to the earth,and the saints would have received their welcome into the city of God."(6T p 450).If there are luke-warm SDA members today,then the "It is done" event in Rev 21:6 might be delayed indefinitely as the heavenly sanctuary will be defiled faster than it is being cleansed.

[elmensagero1]

@wassuptoday Lol. you are good, you are good brother. Lol its funny. you are right about that, it is true.

that is why the word says "today is the day" u know what i think? i think that if you believe in Jesus with your heart u will be save, the Sabbath in my oppinion is secondary but don't mean we can lie or kill or worship other Gods at will. as long as u are an honest Christian to me u are save. one day u will see the Sabbath in a better light i assure u that. Jesus is the lord of it.

[wassuptoday]

@elmensagero1 Even when you believe that keeping the Sabbath holy is a requirement, are you very sure that you're keeping it on the correct day?There are some Christians who believe in keeping the lunar Sabbath instead of the traditional Sabbath.A couple of Seventh-day Adventists have explained why the sabbath was changed from a lunar type to the present one. If you're interested in checking out their articles, you can Google for "4 angels publications" which will bring you to their website.

[elmensagero1]

Let me ask u a few questions: do u belief that there is a sanctuary in heavens? Hebrew 8:2 just an exact copy of the earthly sanctuary do u believe it? Now do u belief Christ is the priest on that sanctuary? Hebrew 7:24, 8:1-5. What do u think he is doing in there? Do u belief there is an ARK on that sanctuary? Revelation 11:19 now that we know u belief all this what do u think is on that ark?? besides been the throne of God.

[wassuptoday]

@elmensagero1 Before we go further, let me ask you this question first: Which was the EXACT copy of the heavenly sanctuary - (a) the tabernacle in the Sinai wilderness as described in Exodus Chapters 25 - 31 (b) Solomon's Temple or the First Temple as described in 1 Kings Chapter 6 which was completely destroyed in 586BC or (c) the less majestic Second Temple which was completed in 515BC?

[TheReal3xM]

@MaryMarchNewell dont believe him he made major misunderstandings from not reading the bible and being influenced by makeshift beliefs.

[bhongrandy]

To all Seventh-Day adventist,

Dont worry about this kind of teaching, because the author of this message is Satan. This is the kind of Satan's doctrine.

I am hoping that this person will open his mind and be wise enough to understand the true teaching.

[Katietavilla]

SDA believe to lead a christ like life and seek repentance for sins. So, you're telling me as long as i ask for forgivness once i'm saved, always saved and can go around sining and SATAN will render my fault??? Hm.. looks like you're the one with the problem buddy...

[MaryMarchNewell]

Wow really?

[thrityyearsold]

I saw you read about the goat theory.Its really very elaborate to understand this .We are not temporarily forgiven. we are forgiven .

[leojou0619]

what a big mistake to the sda doctrine. i would rather believe God through His Word than the teaching of Prophet ellen white which are contrary to the Bible.

[tayasoap]

you say we need satan when you should very well know that there is always a scape goat to receive the sins of the people after they were done away with by the lamb... it is the same Jesus is our lamb and satan is the scape goat.. the scripture never lies

[wassuptoday]

@tayasoap During the day of atonement in the earthly sanctuary, the high priest cast lots upon 2 goats. Both goats were PERFECT (i.e. without spot or blemish). EITHER ONE of the goats could be chosen as the scapegoat. Can Satan, an imperfect & SINFUL being, be represented by a PERFECT goat?

[tayasoap]

@wassuptoday THE perfection of the goat is only physical perfection my friend.. it is figurative in meaning as well. you do not give God the worst out of the lot you give Yahuwah the best at all times..

[wassuptoday]

@tayasoap So figuratively speaking, Satan is perfect  - right?

[tayasoap]

@wassuptoday i did not,will not and ever say that my friend...satan is not perfect but that is how God ordained it.. he is the scapegoat.. and Jesus/Yahushua is the lamb..

[wassuptoday]

@tayasoap Please quote a Bible text to support your viewpoint that God has ordained that (i.e. determined that) Satan should be represented by a perfect goat to bear our sins away.

[tayasoap]

@wassuptoday i did not say satan is the perfect goat my friend..

[wassuptoday]

@tayasoap So what was the significance that the scapegoat had to be a perfect goat (without spot or blemish) in order to represent Satan in the earthly sanctuary service? If God had ordained a perfect goat to represent an evil being such as Satan, there had to be a clear & valid reason for God to do it.

[tayasoap]

@wassuptoday only Christ bear the sins of the world but the devil will be punished.. You see my friend Christ is perfect and spotless and the Priests had to choose two perfect goat because they had to cast lot to see which would be the scape goat knowing this they could not afford for the lot to be cast on a blemished goat.. that is why. the goat being perfect gives honor to Jesus and not the devil.. Jesus is perfect so the goat has to be spotless and because they know not the goat which the

[tayasoap]

@wassuptoday lot will be cast on they have to choose two spotless goat just in case... can you imagine if the lot was cast on a blemished goat to represent Jesus.. They revered God's will and what you dont understand or can interpret if you truly pray the Lord will reveal it to you.. The reason God wanted two goat was because He wanted the goat being slain for the sins to always be perfect.. the priest could not risk for the lot to be cast on a blemished goat to take away their sins..later bro

[wassuptoday]

@tayasoap It's logical that a spotless goat should represent a holy being like Jesus but I don't think it's logical that another spotless goat should represent an evil being like Satan.

[tayasoap]

@wassuptoday Well i explained it to you my friend sometimes logic is the thing that causes us to doubt God's will..

[wassuptoday]

@tayasoap Well, it's up to you to believe that a spotless goat can represent Satan even if there's no logic to it.

[GodHasNOMother]

@wassuptoday Satan was originally created PERFECT until iniquity was found in him BECAUSE of his perfection... He is STILL perfect today...perfectly evil. He was a perfect being of Light, who because of his perfection became vain and proud...and he fell in his perfection to become the Father of Lies,...a perfect being of Darkness, and perfectly evil...

[purity4all]

@GodHasNOMother If he was perfect to begin with he would noot have been able to be vain in the first place.

[tayasoap]

this is disinformation friend.

[wassuptoday]

@tayasoap You're welcome to post more comments to correct this "disinformation".