I can rebunk all 5 verses but its too much work... So ill just do 1...
Wilders mentioned 8:60
he doesn't show the previous verses to show the context of warfare, when someone attacks you, or the next verse which requires peace 2 b accepted when offered.
@1rebmunziza I have no misconceptions about islam, it's a man made "religion" that teaches hatred and violence. You can comment all you like, the truth is out.
@jery61007 Islamophobes don't exist, neither does Islamophobia. Id you had a brain and could research the meanings, origins and implications of these words, you'd realize that.
Just a religion of hate and these people turning from Christianity to Islam have been fooled or haven't done research on it and have only taken the word of other muslims for it's base value. Their own Qur'an tells them to lie to non believers of Allah to further Allah's glory, so if you listen to them as a non believer they will most likely be lying to change you to their religion and once your in their religion you cannot leave because they will kill you. Jesus is the way to God. God bless.
@DavidTheDefender Well ...Islam is around for more than 1400 years. You are kindly requested to write down the Crimes that Islam committed for the past 1400 years. After that I will talk little about the Peace and Tolerance of Christianity :)
This Guy is a coward . Taking parts of verses out of contest.Quran clearly states to kill the enemy only if they come to you and try to kill you.Killing is used in Quran only for defense. Read the whole verse. You 'll never see an Imam talking bad about the Bible which has verses of violence. Jay Smith tell the truth. Who killed the most human beings? History proves it.
@IslamIstheWayforMe .Salamu alykum. I really don't hate him, but every time I listen to him , He just keeps bashing the religion of Islam, and putting false statements out there without any proof. You should listen to him debating other Muslims. He just keeps misinterpreting The Quran and doesn't even back up his claims.Thanks
I suppose anyone from any religion has this kind of group. A group so busy with bashing other religions instead of presenting their own religion. It's stupid really, the number one rule of marketing is you don't talk about the competition!
If I was you I should say same. But When I read these Whole Surah (chapter) from begining, when I come across these verses they are meant for enemies of Allah in fighting state. You better find out in the book who are enemies of Allah. Ofcourse those are enemy who wants evil and injustice. So Non muslims wants peace also, so its not against them. Please read whole Quran...as this is the book from which God giudes and some get on wrong path..Guess what this is Verse of Quran also.
These ayaats are not general teachings but, these are commandments specifically for an army commander inside the battle field, (in the peek of the war)just the way Nato has some of their war guidelines etc.
Yes, he went to so far as to say: “when you help the Hebrew women to give birth and you do see them on the stool for childbirth, if it is a son, you must also put it to death; but if it is a daughter, it must also live.”
Christ put a closed top on violence he died for mankind and over came death, no other prophet is as perfect as he is because he was more than a prophet, he did not sin, lie or kill anyone but helped many people and performed miracles which is way more inspiring for the good of many of those who came after why choose another teaching if its a choice in the first place?
@IslamIstheWayforMe No he over came death for us, so sin and death can be defeated. There is no original sin in Islam the devil did not tempt Eve and No prophet is sinful and Judas gets away with his betrayal according to islam. Christ's tomb is empty he is coming back.
PFanderfilms--- SO ur point basically is: IF there is a book which has stories of past, saying to fight/smite whatever, with certain people in a certain context of war in which the culprit (according to that book) were those who themselves broke peace covenants--means we can equate just anything similar done by its followers in an entirely different context by just showing the two things TOGETHER!!!..O WOW atleast i dont have a kiddy brain to get influenced by such FRAUD.
and most i really hope one day it will be scientifically proven that jesus did not die, nor was he god or is god, and he didnt die for ur sins or any other blasphemous decievers sins...what u makes u think that a prophet of god would die for ur sins...who are u? a filthy bastard liar...
i really hope u wont become a muslim and go to hell with all of ur type
Christans Hindu Jewsih Scholar every person attack Islam look at the beauty of Islam which never allow a muslim to attack someone religon read Qurran first Read and undrestand then you will see its the word of God.
Christians aren't that holy mate they also did nasty stuff in name of your lord jesus christ does that make your religion as bad as Islam the answer is yes
@siewertje "in the name of " means in the character of and these "Christians" you speak of have no authority from the teachings of Jesus were as the Qur'an teaches this violence that Jay mentions.
People like u are the reason why a large percentage of christians become atheists ..
I have asked u logical questions , u couldn't answer so u kept insulting
You returned to the role of the radio tape keep saying " REPENT" and u have know idea that we muslims have to repent many times to god everyday from sins we do as humans ,, u hope u change ur ways
and about the verse u brought first do u know else what's after that
008.062 Should they intend to deceive thee,- verily Allah sufficeth thee: He it is That hath strengthened thee with His aid and with (the company of) the Believers
and in the new testament it is said that when the messiah return he gonna threw all who opposes him into a lake of fire...
and tell me paul said that all the scriptures are valid which includes the old testament and the christians used them in the time of crusades (why go far america used it in iraq and the workers of abu guraib were devoted evangelicals)
so don't treat the old testament like an old girl friend that u don't wanna talk about,, STILL IN THE BOOK
@SoProudMuslim U obviously don't seem 2 grasp that the MESSIAH IS JESUS CHRIST!!! R U SUGGESTING THAT THE SON OF GOD SHOULDN'T JUDGE US HIS CREATION???
JESUS THE CREATOR: JOHN 1:1-18.
JESUS THE JUDGE ON JUDGEMENT DAY: PHILIPPIANS 2:5-11.
U need 2 ask God of the Bible 2 open ur understanding of the Inspired Word of God the Bible as u have no understanding of His Word...
RETURN to earth and his HUMAN followers shall kill all who opposes him , it is not the hereafter ,, God isn't judging us in earth so why the hereafter is called the judgement day then and God is not appointing some body to torture us in the JD
19:27 But bring those enemies of mine who didn't want me to reign over them here, and kill them before me
Second : Jesus didn't say that he is the creator , somebody else did !!
@SoProudMuslim The problem with Muslims is that they want 2 impose their own truth on the Inspired Word of God the Bible+that will never work. Semantics will not help u: MATTHEW 11:1-30. Ucan continue 2 deny the truth but God's Word will still remain truthful. U have a carnal+unrepentant mind+will never grasp the spiritual that is God's Inspired Word. Without repentance+belief in Jesus as the Son of God u will remain blind + deceived as u presently r. U can follow the Saviour OR ur satanic koran
I thought that we can talk with limits and respect , Don't call that name on the Quran or I can simply say the bible is a book of porn and u know why !!!
u don't understand what we muslims say , we believe that the bible is from God and we believe that edited to it words that are not from God and the bible says so
'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie' Jeremiah 8:8
@SoProudMuslim Telling u the truth of God's Word the Bible is showing respect. U might think that giving respect 2 the satanic koran+false prophet Mohammad. There's no point in trying 2 quote a verse from the very Bible that u think is corrupt!
Make an effort 2 read the passage, NOT 1 verse+ u might get the story. Muslims misquote+take Scripture out of context 2 try 2 support the nonsense of the korn. Jesus has warned about false prophets, anti-Christ's + deceivers. It's satan who is deceiving u
@The3in1trinity U r talking like a radio tape same words i hear over and over ..
let us have a conversation although u r disrespectful ,
First : that's wy i believe prophet Muhammad
"I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him."
we can argue who is the prophet here , u tell me with evidence ?
Second : why God of the old testament is not trinitarian (GOD changes ??)
@SoProudMuslim The Bible gives NO SUPPORT 2the koran. The Bible condemns all who deny the truth that God has revealed through His Inspired Word the. There is no prophet Mohammad in the Bible+no amount of quoting ur satanic koran will change this fact!
Jesus had not been sent by His Father until He was sent 2the Jews, the Chosen ppl. Y would God do things 2fit in with ur illogical mind. God is the 1with the plan of Salvation not human beings. No Repentance = no understanding. Uneed 2 Repent...
question one ------ this is a very broad passage it can mean more than one prophet, but ultimately its a fulfillment of Christ ... the reason i say it can be linked to other prophet is in the passage that starts deut eighteen : fifteen the lord answered a previous request for God not to come to them as could not take his awesome majestic presence
and notice it says umoung your brother, the tribes of isreal specifically as it also says in duet seventeen forteen -
@followerofjesus1984 says not to put a a foreigner above you but a jewish israelite
question two ---- this leads u to a misunderstanding of what the trinity is , we believe in one God, or that is of a nature which is seen in three persons
and God gave the cammand of him being one ... as an rule of authority to the isrealites but it does not mean that its one in every sense in genesis eight and nineteen it reveals that Yahwah God is in heaven and on earth at sodom and gemorrah
question three ----- this is like a really ridiculous question, Jesus only mention of scripture in regards to himself and who he is , by prophets.... but does not reference all prophet
plus adam was not a prophet, he never prophecied, he was the first of all mankind
@SoProudMuslim The Old Testament writings where there b4 Jesus was sent by His Father 2 b born as a human. So ppl had knowledge of what the Book of Genesis said. Ask less questions + ask God 2 give u understanding. I think it's time u started 2 read the Bible instead of asking questions that if u had read the Bible u could easily have found out the answers 4 urself. U have a choice 2 believe or disbelieve God's Word + His offer of 4giveness which u can't receive until u Repent...
008.061 But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things).
why didn't u complete , u ve just tuned off ur mouth b4 that ,, and all these accusations are refuted u can see the reply "Fitna is worse than Killing" search it and hear the other side and fair people judge ....
008.060 Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of God and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.
.......But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence. (Luke 19:26-27)
Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple."
@khalidalwaleed1 Luke 14:31"Or suppose a king is about to go to war against another king. Will he not first sit down and consider whether he is able with ten thousand men to oppose the one coming against him with twenty thousand? 32If he is not able, he will send a delegation while the other is still a long way off and will ask for terms of peace. 33In the same way, any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple.
@khalidalwaleed1 "YOU DECIDE" By my understanding Jesus is somewhat rephrasing the 1st commandment " Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind (Luke 10:27)" Don't put anyone above him NOT EVEN "your (his) father and mother, your(his) wife and children, your (his) brothers and sisters—yes, even your(his) own life.
@khalidalwaleed1 I would continue and address all the verses you have raised but i might just be wasting my time. Believe what you want, some ppl under extremist/primitive laws do not have that freedom. I just want ppl hu read these comments not to be mislead by ppl hu take th bible out of context to justify their "actions". Anyhow, I am glad khalid reads the bible I encourage other Muslims to read it and judge for themselves. The truth is the truth whether u believe it or not
@bossofbossez yeah i agree i think more non musim should read bible carefully.i became a muslim coz of the bible muhammad in the bible. so people read the bibhel so you too can find the truth.
@khalidalwaleed1 its clear to me you want to play ignorance.. there is no point arguing coz u trying to convince yourself to b right. we both know there is nothing ryt in yo religion check the news. Jesus said "you shall know them by their fruit" your fruits don't walk your talk
@chickenugget2134 there is no muhammad in the bible. muslims twist the verse to associate it with muhammad when its nothing to do with him rather its talking about the holy spirit
@chickenugget2134 yes go on my channel and on there look through my favourite vids you should find one which talks about muhammad in the bible actaully it should be the first one it is a cool documentary part 1.....
@khalidalwaleed1 No Mohammad in the Inspired Word of God the Bible!!! This is y Muslims get so upset. Mohammad is a false prophet + an anti-Christ. JESUS WARNS US OF FALSE prophets + anti-Christ's who wld try 2 deceive the ELECT (Christians) but God's Holy Spirit discerns all truth from lies. Muslims need Jesus the Saviour + Messiah!!!
n muhammad da anti christ plz do u knw in my book the quran jesus(p)is mentioned500%more den muhammad by name!n der is a chaptr in the quran surah maryam(Mary)dis is in honour of de mother of jesus (p) such a honer i dnt find given 2 mary in de bible.no muslim is a muslim if he doesnt believe jesus was a true man from god.jesus did many amazing miracles wid the help of god. and jesus says he who says the christ is as a man frmo god that is the true spirit muhammad said that.
@khalidalwaleed1 It matters not how many times Jesus is mentioned in the koran. The koran is still a satanic counterfeit of the Inspired Word of God the Bible. It is satan who has inspired the koran with his counterfeit false prophet Mohammad. The devil, who is satan himself knows Jesus exists+knows that he has but a short time until he is judged by the Son of God+will b happy 2 blind anyone 2 the truth of God's Word. U r being deceived. MATTHEW 20:17-19. When u believe these verses then repent
I want to hear Islamic societies say more about this, protest more. But they haven't addressed these issues? When some evil is committed and the person says theyre a christian, I am quick to point out what the bible has to say about how we should live. Can this be said for Muslims?
I think moderate muslims if there are any who really intend to be moderate and peace-loving should re-write the Quran....I heard someone say that it became bad precisely at the time when the other religions would not listen to the prophet Mohammed and convert to islam...this is the point when and where the quran turns ugly and says to kill infidels....could we not stop it here?...is that too simple?....anyone?
What a lier and manipulator you are indeed. You never read the following verses to those you read. That's just low, this isn't a christian response but an ignorant response.
The British media right now is obsessed with imagery evoking horses but not Jihadis: knights, crusadors, bikers on their "fume-spewing steeds" (at Wooton Bassett, Daily Mirror).
And the events which you suppose were justifed by this scripture were faked.
I recommend the film (on youtube) September clues to demonstrate this.
What I find hard is that many of those pushing this subtle "crusade" to demonise muslims, are outwardly charming evangelical Christians.
The British media right now is obsessed with imagery evoking horses but not Jihadis: knights, crusadors, bikers on their "fume-spewing steeds" (at Wooton Bassett, Daily Mirror).
And the events which you suppose were justifed by this scripture were faked.
I recommend the film (on youtube) September clues to demonstrate this.
What I find hard is that many of those pushing this subtle "crusade" to demonise muslims, are outwardly charming evangelical Christians.
The British media right now is obsessed with imagery evoking horses but not Jihadis: knights, crusadors, bikers on their "fume-spewing steeds" (at Wooton Bassett, Daily Mirror).
And the events which you suppose were justifed by this scripture were faked.
I recommend the film (on youtube) September clues to demonstrate this.
What I find hard is that many of those pushing this subtle "crusade" to demonise muslims, are outwardly charming evangelical Christians.
I wonder why r d quran thse ppl hav r much2 smaller n thinner? R thse d real transltion of d quran? Is it only d translation written in it without d arabic lines? Quran is supposed 2 b read/written wth both arabic n its translation. Not jus bare translation like mst bible did. Ppl cnnt jus read d translation wthout able 2 look in2 d real arabic lines. Muslim read quran by d arabic language. D translation is jus 4 them 2 understand wht d book's trying 2convey. Pls mke sure u hav d authorized one.
The translation is completely taken out of context and wrong. Use some common sense if the movie Fitna was actually revealing the truth, and if you had the right translation in your hands EVERY MUSLIM WOULD BE A TERRORIST!! NOT JUST A SIMPLE MINORITY!
Shame on you and what you spread, may god give you all that you deserve!
This minority is causing havoc world wide, instead of blaming us why don't you tell your fellow Muslims that when they KILL like the quran tells them so, they are taking verses out of context?
Get out of here with these lame out of context excuses.
Islam is a death cult, Muhammad was a mass murderer.
Sura 9-111 TELLS YOU TO KILL AND GET KILLED FOR ALLAH
Non Muslims don't want to hear about Islam, Geert Wilders life is threatened, by muslims....That's against our laws and it is evil. Islam is not peaceful. Muslims show it everyday...and the koran shows it with its words. You can't change what words say.
so let me get this straight plz.what do u suggest to b done against us Moslims who r in yr western countries?cuz when describing us the major problem of this age -which is not true- then u have to suggest a solution.we r not willing to change or alter one letter in our holy book.we Moslims would all die before we let it happen.u can exterminate us before that happens.I here live in the UK enjoying freedom that i'd never get back home & i'll b grateful & loyal to this country until the day I die.
@thewandererone what do u suggest ? from a muslim prospective, ? u said u enjoy freedoms on the west, seems like u don't want to go back to barbarian dark Islamic sociaety . What do u suggest urself ?
I must admit that i look upon muslims as our greatest european problem. Not as a people, but the problem is the religion itself. We fought nazism, communism and fascism, and eventually we're gonna have to stop Islam from dominating society. Gays rights, equality between men and women, cultural indifferences, democracy and secularism so on so on. We cannot coexist, and although i resent violence, I'm afraid that's how it will turn out in 20 years.
let me tell you something and mark my words europe will become muslim and muslim countries will become europeans, after 20 years more muslims in europe then any other religion, regards
Islam from dominating society? Take a look at the world around you...there are more than 50 muslim nations in the world who are not imperialistic and overthrowing governments of sovereign nations unlike European and American countries that are dominated by Christianity. Islam isn't at war against the west but rather the West is in a war with Islam; Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Pakistan and sometime soon most likely Iran are all proofs of this.
@Fatima1088 wtf Fatima!? and which countries in Europe would you sincerely call imperialistic and overthrowing other governments? You mean when we chased the terrorist/heroin pushing barbarians, better known as Taliban from Afghanistan, So that women and children could have an education? And do not talk about America, they fight their own stupid war. This is Europe we're talking about. where the hell did you learn to read.
@larslarsj And where did you learn your manners? I read independent news media that report on the amount of civilian deaths in the all the countries at war, America's allies are European countries that have troops in the battlefield who are in support of all these wars. By the way England and America held a huge role in making Iran the way it is now as they both overthrew the democracy and incited the revolution there.@STOPShariaLAWnow...Your a propagandist, just where did you get those numbers?
Nevertheless, regardless of your anger, I have responded to your initial Direct Claim about a "good muslim never tells lies" and have exposed that claim as a lie in itself. Because I have done so, I have prompted you to re-phrase your claim because you knew I was right, & that is why you re-phrased it. I will now discontinue this subject with you as I feel there is no point in continuing on a subject I have already "Proven". I will not respond to further comments. God Bless you.
Yes, I rephrased with a smilie at the end of my sentence, because I thought you were just trying to point out that someone might misunderstand what I said, and that I agreed to, and merrily if I may add. But I didn't know that you were out on a witch hunt trying to paint me as a liar and a deceiver. You proved nothing other that your lack the capacity listen to reason.
When one gets "caught out" with a direct claim or statement, as I have done with you as a "Dishonest Individual", the obvious response is to cover your tracks by trying to twist the story to the extent of confusion so as to avoid the issue altogether. Nevertheless, I am responding to your initial claim, regardless of your attempts to try and confuse me, which you cannnot do. A person is not "sinless" because they do not lie, that is another deception. Only God is sinless.
Dishonest Individual !!!! OMG, are you serious? listen, take a breather, then come back with an objective friend, and tell him what would you understand when I say to you that "A good christian never lies". Don't take my word for it, just ask someone who didn't read this moronic discussion we''ve just had. Please, get serious!
"A person is not "sinless" because they do not lie, that is another deception. Only God is sinless." Man, you really need professional help! you're twisting everything I said. Please just walk over to the person in the next room, and tell him what would you understand if I said "a good christian never lies" (replacing Muslim with Christian to avoid bias) and come back and "honestly" report to me what they said. OK? PLEASE, its the objective thing to do, and you know it.
Your problem is that you're clinging to every word I'm saying instead of understanding the meaning of what I'm saying. I never said that one is sinless if he doesn't lie, what I mean is that I didn't claim that Muslims are INCAPABLE OF LYING i.e. FREE FROM THE SIN OF LYING. get a GRIP and a life while you're at it.
Oh dear, you are upset. Calm down. It is not necessary for you to work yourself into a frenzy because you have an opponent who is responding to your claims. I am not upset or angry with you. As I mentioned in my first response, I do not believe that a person has to adhere to a particular Faith or belief system to lie, or to tell the truth. I believe that people from ALL Faiths tell lies and truths as well - which proves me to be far more honourable and honest than yourself.
"which proves me to be far more honourable and honest than yourself." no, what you've just proved is that you have the brain the size of a peanut. I hope some objective reader here would speak up and tell you how moronic your arguments are because really, your stupidity is overwhelming.
You're only "assuming" that I'm lying with every breath I take because I'm Muslim. Please, be honest with yourself, would you read that much into what a person says if he was a Christian? My words are clear to any normal, logical, rational person. For some reason, they aren't so to you. Again!your problem, not mine.
To be Truthful about "lying" is far more honourable and respectful than claiming that one "never lies", which is a lie in itself, and is deceptive and dishonest. Deception and dishonesty do not bring honour or respect.
answerme33 - I think anybody reading my comment which you are responding to would know that by what I said I wasn't claiming that a Muslim is not capable of lying, but that he is forbidden from lying (I hope you can see the difference between the two) , peace
Hi - actually, if you go back and re-read your comment, you will note that you said directly that "A good muslim is one who never lies". This is a direct claim/statement, and that is what prompted my response to you - and now you seem to be saying that you didn't make such a claim in the first place. Please re-read your comment. I would respect you if you admit the TRUTH, rather than try and twist the issue. Be honest with yourself. God bless!
"and now you seem to be saying that ..." I never made such a claim, see you're twisting my words again I said, and you can go down and check these words "I think that anybody reading my comment would realize that I wasn't claiming that Muslims are not capable of lying but that they are forbidden from lying" I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here?
Many Christians have made the same thing about Christians "that they never lie", and I never understood it to mean that they were sinless. I know when a person says I never lie that he's not talking in absolute, but that the rule of thumb is that he or she doesn't lie. So, open your mind a bit more, and stop trying to twist what I'm saying into something that I didn't mean to say.
disbelievers r not jews and christians ,,,we believe that they believe in the same god (so by definition they r not disbelievers ),,,,,ofcourse we also believe that they wrong in many aspects though .notice that we must believe in moses and jesus as prophets
i believe that all of those verses were talking about disbelievers who were living in the time of the prophet muhammed and fighting with the first moslems
my point is if some one says that his beliefs is peacful then why r u suggeting he is lying ,,and bringing him so called evidence from his hollybook (which he knows better than u))????
my understanding of islam shows its a good and right religon .
the extremists understanding is bad and violent so by all means hate them ,fight with them and i'll even help u .
The "other story" I was referring to is the story you don't see on the media - they pick black sheep from here and there and feed the story to you as if Muslims in general are like that. And the problem is that you probably know this is the case but you want to believe that Muslims are "evil" people and that Islam is evil so that you can sleep better at night. Islam is the biggest threat to other creeds and when you demonize Islam you feel more secure in your faith.
U look like educated person but sorry to say u r "educated illetrate" because what ever he shown about quraan in the movie is out of context, the director has not showed the context part bcos his lie will be caught....
"Fitnah means Disbeilef." No, Fitnah does not mean that, it means "confusion" : or that's at least one of its most used meanings. But it never means disbelief. His movie is so false that one wouldn't know where to begin to debunk it, but look around on youTube and you will find many nice refutations for it. That is if you're actually seeking the truth, and not just looking for a smoking gun that doesn't exist to condemn Muslims.
I have an Idea. Maybe, the reformers in majority muslim countries are inspired by Islam just as the "fundamentalists" are inspired by Islam. I mean, there are christians today doing doing great charity work which is inspired by their view of christianity, just like the Spanish inquisition was inspired by a certain view of christianity. This is how religion, and all ideologies, work. I think its more complicated than most make it out to be. I'm Christian BTW
the truth? about some guy who hid in a cave, had a supposed vision, ran around the hills killing travelers, married a 9 year old when he was 53, slaughtered 800 Jews in Medina, couldn't even write, and never performed a single miracle...??
MitchellJohnLeard" Wow, for a person speaking with such zest against ISlam, you sure do have many fallacies about it. See, you people are experts at taking things out of context. and in some times uttering blatant lies. Each one of your claims have been refuted a thousand times, but you don't care about listening to the story of the other side, you just want to have an excuse to hate Islam because you don't understand it.
Psychlope, what story should we listen to? It's enough to read the newspapers and to watch the news. Sad image of Muslims going nuts killing each other with such ferocity! Nothing can justify that.
You said it "the news papers" and the media, you mean the same media that picks stories that sell? Yesm there are a lot of black sheep people in Islam these days, but they weren't there before they were created by current world events, imperialism, Israel, worldwide campaigns to demonize Muslims, but there are also a lot of things that are being fabricated to frame Muslims. 9-11 is Proving everyday to be more than what US officials said it was.
I'm a Muslim living in an Arab country and if you came here you'd find peace loving people who just want to live and let live, you don't see that on your media, do you? You've got Muslims around the world spearing peace and love, and helping humanity, but you don't see stories about those, do you? You created fundamentalists - mainstream Muslims tell you they do not represent Islam, but you invent "war on terrorism" which is actually "war on Islam" and you create more fundamentalists
Fundamentalists see the west oppressing Muslims and viciously attacking Islam and they react and revolt even though the way they do it is against Islam. The problem with you people is that you see the world in one dimension you forget that it's cause and effect. You think Muslims hate you (those who do) because you are unbelievers, and totally turn a blind eye to the context of this new phenomena, which you are the reason for.
"you go back to some historical facts... " So there's no validity in bringing us history? yesterday was the present back then, today's present is tomorrow's history, yesterday what Islam was accused of today didn't exist back then, Christians were committing the same things Muslims are accused of today. So it's not Islam or Christianity that is at fault, but times change, and with it so do people, but scriptures remain the same, so you look into scriptures to know right from wrong.
When I told you in a previous comment that a good muslim is one who never lies, Did you understand from what I said that a) Good Muslims are incapable of lying (and therefore godly) OR b) Good Muslims are those who, as a rule of thumb, do not lie, and live their lives believing lying is wrong? Please, settle this for us once and for all.
If ur a xtian then y dont u prove how peaceful the bible is? wasnt it the white xtians who xterminated the Jews? what about the native americans or the negroes of Africa? did they not use the bible to justify these atrocities?
vickypeace2000 - Xhristians committed atrocities in the name of "I AM". What do you think the Crusades were? Christians during that time killed Muslims and Jews alike (although supposedly their beef was with Muslims alone) scores and scores of people were killed ruthlessly. The inquisition, slaughtering of natives in the America. Even today Christians are killing masses, but its done by regimented armies. Of course its about books, and people thinking (un-rightfully) their doing God's word.
The problem with you Muslims is whenever people criticize the current situation of Muslims, who are not only trying to terrorize the world but killing their own people in the most horrible ways and contributing nothing to the progress of humanity , you go back to some historical facts that are indicted by Christians and Jews themselves.
You think it's not valid to bring up history? yesterday was the present back then and today is tomorrow's history. It doesn't matter when something was done, what matters is what it was based on when it was done. The bible you have now is the same bible that Christians had back during the inquisitions, right? You don't look at what the followers of a religion are doing to understand that religion, (idially that would be the case) but in reality, you go to the source and find out what "IT" says.
Psychlopes, it's precisely what's going on. We are judging religions on the basis of the image of their representatives. The fruit never falls far from the tree!
Sooner or later the fruit does roll away from the tree. Given enough time, people can steer away from the true teachings of an idea or a religion, Few Christians these day conduct their life in the manner that is taught in the bible, so is the case with Muslims, you're entitled to your opinion, but I personally believe that Islam is much better than Most Muslims. I see true Muslims everyday in my society, and those people are role models. And they are not highlighted so you don't see them.
Of course not!!! I sometimes even doubt those two even exist, its so unthinkable for me that anybody would call himself a Muslim and kill innocent people. Call me a conspiracy theorist but I think those are people invented by anti-Islam people to frame Islam, but even if they were Muslims, they certainly do not represent me or what mainstream Muslims would consider to be a true Muslim.
Ben Laden and Zarqaoui are as real as their crimes, but they consider themselves "the real Muslims". However, they were not invented in the sense of being imaginary. These criminals were "made" by the enemies of Muslims. And it's up to Muslims to cope with this horrible confusion around their identity now that they have to justify their very existence.
My idea of a true Muslim is my uncle, who prays , fast and worships God, but also as a pediatrician treats needy people for next to nothing and never said a cuss word in his entire life. A true Muslim is my friend from college who helps all those around him without asking for anything in return, I consider myself somewhat of a good Muslim because I treat my mother with the utmost respect and I never raise my voice to her, and because I love my neighbors, etc.
A true Muslim is someone who gives to charity without anybody knowing about it, not even his wife "as opposed to writing it off a tax deductible or making a documentary about it". A good Muslim is someone who never lies; a good Muslims is someone who never cheats......
That's the case for the mainstream Muslims and that's why Islam has survived so far. But now with the huge and powerful trend of fundamentalism, Islam and "good" Muslims are in serious trouble. Islamist terrorists are killing Islam.
Hello vickypeace2000 - sorry, you might not remember me, but we had a little discussion a while back. So would you help please me by answering this question?
With respect, you say a good muslim is one who "never lies", but this is an Untrue statement. It is impossible for a person to go through their entire life without ever telling one single lie, and to claim that is a lie in itself. Almighty God teaches in the Bible that there is only ONE who cannot Lie, and that it is impossible for Him to lie and that is God alone. A true muslim is not God and all lie, just as anyone else can and do. God Bless!
Thank you for replying. I believe that one does not have to adhere to any particular Faith or belief system to be a liar or not. If one does not lie "intentionally", then what are they intending to do? Why would one have to "try with all his might" as if it were a struggle not to lie? From this statement, one can get the impression that to "try with all his might" not to lie means that the person is generally a Liar (because he is trying not to lie) - do you agree or understand?
answerme33 - you're starting to twist my words, and that if anything is the act of dishonesty. You know I was being playful with my choice of words, and you're obviously just looking to trap me, but anyway, I repeat "I wasn't claiming that a Muslim is not capable of lying (sinless), but that he is forbidden from lying"
Why is it that you won't admit the TRUTH of your direct claim about a good muslim never lies? See, I have Proven that it is impossible for anyone to go through life without lying. You will gain honour through admission of your faults rather than hide them or "pass the buck" to your opponent to make it look as though they were misunderstanding what you said, which is what you are trying to do with me. I am using my reasoning & analytical skills to respond to your initial claim.
LOL, man, this discussion is becoming idiotic, a statement is as good as what the writer intends it to mean and what he knows the reader will understand from it. Believe me, no one other than you would think what I said means that a Muslim is "incapable" of lying. I think the meaning of what I wrote is clear, and I have nothing to admit. I thought you misunderstood my words so I explained what I meant, but I wasn't lying when I wrote them.
"I am using my reasoning & analytical skills ". I'm sorry, but I find no analytical skills in what you're saying. You're just twisting my words. Any "sane" person would understand what I wrote in the way that I just explained. If you like to read too much into what other people say, that is your problem, not mine. I'm sure if a Christian said those words about Christians, you would have understood right away what they meant, and you wouldn't have given him grief about it.
You don't have to apologise to me about anything. If you are upset, why are you? Is it because I referred you to your initial claim to which I made the initial response? If you consider yourself a "sane person", then you will agree that a DIRECT claim is unambiguous (meaning that the direct claim is clear and without double or multiple meanings). Do you agree? If you are unable to use your reasoning & analytical skills to arrive at a sure conclusion, then you have my sympathy
"Is it because I referred you to your initial claim to which I made the initial response? " LOL, NO, it's because you just called me a dishonest person based on your interpretation of what I said. You know I give up, I can't compete with your "analytical skills" you're obviously waaaaay superior to me!!!! But tell you what, do carry out that experiment I outlined below, I think it will tell you much about your so called analytical skills.
"... indicted by Christians and Jews themselves. " being condemned doesn't mean they didn't happen. Muslims all over the world condemn terrorism, which of course you don't get to know about because you're listening biased media that doesn't find that kind of story "news worthy". You're in Morocco, (at least that is what you're channel says) you think you know Islam? From what I heard Islam in Morocco is an empty shell of what it used to be or what Islam actually is in other places of the world.
Psycho, are you deploring the fact that Moroccan Islam is different from that of Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Afghanistan and Pakistan? Then we understand your e-jihad. You're ready for action man!
You obviously did not understand what I wrote, or are intentionally twisting what I said, go back and read it again. Your comment is not what one would describe as logical, in fact, its quite stupid.
Y dont u bother to the verses b4 and after the ones u quote.Chapter 8 is about the peace treaty with the mushriks of mecca, wich the mushrik unilateraly broke.Wich quran r u using?becuz my quran duznt mention tanks and guns.
I can rebunk all 5 verses but its too much work... So ill just do 1...
Wilders mentioned 8:60
he doesn't show the previous verses to show the context of warfare, when someone attacks you, or the next verse which requires peace 2 b accepted when offered.
And thats just the 1st.
1rebmunziza 1 month ago
@1rebmunziza Contextually that verse doesn't fit in that chapter at all, the whole chapter is about defeating the non-believers.
TheBardicDruid 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@TheBardicDruid Wtch nthis video and it will refutiate all the verses in fo=itna and show what they really mean, trust me its worth a watch.
watch?v=BEgEieAf2xc
U should also watch this, it analysis some misconceptions about Islam.
watch?v=Iz1GeyWuC18
Peace
1rebmunziza 1 month ago
@1rebmunziza I have no misconceptions about islam, it's a man made "religion" that teaches hatred and violence. You can comment all you like, the truth is out.
TheBardicDruid 1 month ago
@TheBardicDruid Thats your opinion, u should though have a look at those videos, though. I believe there's nothing more 2 say, peace, salam, shalom.
1rebmunziza 1 month ago
@1rebmunziza Why should I look at the videos??? I've studied the koran and the sahih al-bukhari, your bullshit won't work, I know islam.
TheBardicDruid 1 month ago
@TheBardicDruid yeah, whatever, your problem, see ya
1rebmunziza 1 month ago
I would say this is not a response of a christian but an Islamophobe.........
jery61007 6 months ago
@jery61007 Islamophobes don't exist, neither does Islamophobia. Id you had a brain and could research the meanings, origins and implications of these words, you'd realize that.
smredneck0 2 months ago
Just a religion of hate and these people turning from Christianity to Islam have been fooled or haven't done research on it and have only taken the word of other muslims for it's base value. Their own Qur'an tells them to lie to non believers of Allah to further Allah's glory, so if you listen to them as a non believer they will most likely be lying to change you to their religion and once your in their religion you cannot leave because they will kill you. Jesus is the way to God. God bless.
DavidTheDefender 6 months ago
@DavidTheDefender Well ...Islam is around for more than 1400 years. You are kindly requested to write down the Crimes that Islam committed for the past 1400 years. After that I will talk little about the Peace and Tolerance of Christianity :)
The floor is your my friend :)
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youneekk 7 months ago
This Guy is a coward . Taking parts of verses out of contest.Quran clearly states to kill the enemy only if they come to you and try to kill you.Killing is used in Quran only for defense. Read the whole verse. You 'll never see an Imam talking bad about the Bible which has verses of violence. Jay Smith tell the truth. Who killed the most human beings? History proves it.
ranimouf 7 months ago
@ranimouf
Thank you for defending us =) I don't hate Christians or Jews but a lot of them seem to hate us =/
Is this Jay Smith? It sounds like him. If so, he has aged TERRIBLY.
IslamIstheWayforMe 6 months ago
@IslamIstheWayforMe .Salamu alykum. I really don't hate him, but every time I listen to him , He just keeps bashing the religion of Islam, and putting false statements out there without any proof. You should listen to him debating other Muslims. He just keeps misinterpreting The Quran and doesn't even back up his claims.Thanks
ranimouf 6 months ago
@ranimouf
I suppose anyone from any religion has this kind of group. A group so busy with bashing other religions instead of presenting their own religion. It's stupid really, the number one rule of marketing is you don't talk about the competition!
IslamIstheWayforMe 6 months ago
Did God write the new testament ?
Shipwrecked1103326 7 months ago
all the allah lovers come out of the woodworks when Jay puts out a video!
paramebolas 8 months ago
If I was you I should say same. But When I read these Whole Surah (chapter) from begining, when I come across these verses they are meant for enemies of Allah in fighting state. You better find out in the book who are enemies of Allah. Ofcourse those are enemy who wants evil and injustice. So Non muslims wants peace also, so its not against them. Please read whole Quran...as this is the book from which God giudes and some get on wrong path..Guess what this is Verse of Quran also.
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irishxxkelt 9 months ago
These ayaats are not general teachings but, these are commandments specifically for an army commander inside the battle field, (in the peek of the war)just the way Nato has some of their war guidelines etc.
basayl 11 months ago 2
What use and should happen to kids?
(Exodus-ch-1-vs-16)(The king of Egypt speaking)
Yes, he went to so far as to say: “when you help the Hebrew women to give birth and you do see them on the stool for childbirth, if it is a son, you must also put it to death; but if it is a daughter, it must also live.”
quranresponse 11 months ago
Christ put a closed top on violence he died for mankind and over came death, no other prophet is as perfect as he is because he was more than a prophet, he did not sin, lie or kill anyone but helped many people and performed miracles which is way more inspiring for the good of many of those who came after why choose another teaching if its a choice in the first place?
studentdebts 1 year ago
@studentdebts
Um...so God died for our sins? The Most Powerful, the All MIGHTY can die? LOL I left Christianity for good reason!
IslamIstheWayforMe 6 months ago
@IslamIstheWayforMe No he over came death for us, so sin and death can be defeated. There is no original sin in Islam the devil did not tempt Eve and No prophet is sinful and Judas gets away with his betrayal according to islam. Christ's tomb is empty he is coming back.
studentdebts 6 months ago
PFanderfilms--- SO ur point basically is: IF there is a book which has stories of past, saying to fight/smite whatever, with certain people in a certain context of war in which the culprit (according to that book) were those who themselves broke peace covenants--means we can equate just anything similar done by its followers in an entirely different context by just showing the two things TOGETHER!!!..O WOW atleast i dont have a kiddy brain to get influenced by such FRAUD.
zsrla123 1 year ago
even ur face shows ur filthy interior man...
but do not change...it shows ppl how a filthy bastard liar will look like at ur age...
all ur lies come out on ur face even when ur not talking...
khalilrabee 1 year ago
and most i really hope one day it will be scientifically proven that jesus did not die, nor was he god or is god, and he didnt die for ur sins or any other blasphemous decievers sins...what u makes u think that a prophet of god would die for ur sins...who are u? a filthy bastard liar...
i really hope u wont become a muslim and go to hell with all of ur type
khalilrabee 1 year ago
5 verses...recall the bible in which the peacful jesus says "those who dont want me to be king bring them to me and slaughter them in from of me"...
and this is only one...
ever considered reading what is before and after each of the 5 verses? the famous verses among the christians?
"kill them"...them who?
and what sentence starts with "and" and in what languege?
islam tells me to forgive and forget...but i hope u and ur kind of liars will surely go to hell...i really hope...
khalilrabee 1 year ago
5 verses...5 verses taken out of context of an entire book...
"begins with violence, ends with violence, full of violence..."
im not going to say anything bad about the bible beause its not the case here considering the fact that the video is about the qor'an...
but mister..its starts with "bismillah arrahman arraheem"
"in the name of god most graceful most mercyful"...
ur a grown up and still act and talk like a child...a pure result of ur belief and political system...
khalilrabee 1 year ago
Christans Hindu Jewsih Scholar every person attack Islam look at the beauty of Islam which never allow a muslim to attack someone religon read Qurran first Read and undrestand then you will see its the word of God.
yousafzaikhan 1 year ago
Christians aren't that holy mate they also did nasty stuff in name of your lord jesus christ does that make your religion as bad as Islam the answer is yes
siewertje 1 year ago
@siewertje "in the name of " means in the character of and these "Christians" you speak of have no authority from the teachings of Jesus were as the Qur'an teaches this violence that Jay mentions.
HesintheTaNaK 1 year ago
People like u are the reason why a large percentage of christians become atheists ..
I have asked u logical questions , u couldn't answer so u kept insulting
You returned to the role of the radio tape keep saying " REPENT" and u have know idea that we muslims have to repent many times to god everyday from sins we do as humans ,, u hope u change ur ways
SoProudMuslim 1 year ago
and about the verse u brought first do u know else what's after that
008.062 Should they intend to deceive thee,- verily Allah sufficeth thee: He it is That hath strengthened thee with His aid and with (the company of) the Believers
ENOUGH
SoProudMuslim 1 year ago
Yes Islam asks muslims, fight back in some occasions. YouTube: Jihad-2 (Kill all non-Muslims?)] for a better idea about what muslim think.
Nashbash54 1 year ago
and in the new testament it is said that when the messiah return he gonna threw all who opposes him into a lake of fire...
and tell me paul said that all the scriptures are valid which includes the old testament and the christians used them in the time of crusades (why go far america used it in iraq and the workers of abu guraib were devoted evangelicals)
so don't treat the old testament like an old girl friend that u don't wanna talk about,, STILL IN THE BOOK
SoProudMuslim 1 year ago
@SoProudMuslim U obviously don't seem 2 grasp that the MESSIAH IS JESUS CHRIST!!! R U SUGGESTING THAT THE SON OF GOD SHOULDN'T JUDGE US HIS CREATION???
JESUS THE CREATOR: JOHN 1:1-18.
JESUS THE JUDGE ON JUDGEMENT DAY: PHILIPPIANS 2:5-11.
U need 2 ask God of the Bible 2 open ur understanding of the Inspired Word of God the Bible as u have no understanding of His Word...
The3in1trinity 1 year ago
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SoProudMuslim 1 year ago
@The3in1trinity
First
RETURN to earth and his HUMAN followers shall kill all who opposes him , it is not the hereafter ,, God isn't judging us in earth so why the hereafter is called the judgement day then and God is not appointing some body to torture us in the JD
19:27 But bring those enemies of mine who didn't want me to reign over them here, and kill them before me
Second : Jesus didn't say that he is the creator , somebody else did !!
SoProudMuslim 1 year ago
@SoProudMuslim The problem with Muslims is that they want 2 impose their own truth on the Inspired Word of God the Bible+that will never work. Semantics will not help u: MATTHEW 11:1-30. Ucan continue 2 deny the truth but God's Word will still remain truthful. U have a carnal+unrepentant mind+will never grasp the spiritual that is God's Inspired Word. Without repentance+belief in Jesus as the Son of God u will remain blind + deceived as u presently r. U can follow the Saviour OR ur satanic koran
The3in1trinity 1 year ago
@The3in1trinity
I thought that we can talk with limits and respect , Don't call that name on the Quran or I can simply say the bible is a book of porn and u know why !!!
u don't understand what we muslims say , we believe that the bible is from God and we believe that edited to it words that are not from God and the bible says so
'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie' Jeremiah 8:8
SoProudMuslim 1 year ago
@SoProudMuslim Telling u the truth of God's Word the Bible is showing respect. U might think that giving respect 2 the satanic koran+false prophet Mohammad. There's no point in trying 2 quote a verse from the very Bible that u think is corrupt!
Make an effort 2 read the passage, NOT 1 verse+ u might get the story. Muslims misquote+take Scripture out of context 2 try 2 support the nonsense of the korn. Jesus has warned about false prophets, anti-Christ's + deceivers. It's satan who is deceiving u
The3in1trinity 1 year ago
@The3in1trinity U r talking like a radio tape same words i hear over and over ..
let us have a conversation although u r disrespectful ,
First : that's wy i believe prophet Muhammad
"I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him."
we can argue who is the prophet here , u tell me with evidence ?
Second : why God of the old testament is not trinitarian (GOD changes ??)
(Continue)
SoProudMuslim 1 year ago
@SoProudMuslim The Bible gives NO SUPPORT 2the koran. The Bible condemns all who deny the truth that God has revealed through His Inspired Word the. There is no prophet Mohammad in the Bible+no amount of quoting ur satanic koran will change this fact!
Jesus had not been sent by His Father until He was sent 2the Jews, the Chosen ppl. Y would God do things 2fit in with ur illogical mind. God is the 1with the plan of Salvation not human beings. No Repentance = no understanding. Uneed 2 Repent...
The3in1trinity 1 year ago
@SoProudMuslim
question one ------ this is a very broad passage it can mean more than one prophet, but ultimately its a fulfillment of Christ ... the reason i say it can be linked to other prophet is in the passage that starts deut eighteen : fifteen the lord answered a previous request for God not to come to them as could not take his awesome majestic presence
and notice it says umoung your brother, the tribes of isreal specifically as it also says in duet seventeen forteen -
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 says not to put a a foreigner above you but a jewish israelite
question two ---- this leads u to a misunderstanding of what the trinity is , we believe in one God, or that is of a nature which is seen in three persons
and God gave the cammand of him being one ... as an rule of authority to the isrealites but it does not mean that its one in every sense in genesis eight and nineteen it reveals that Yahwah God is in heaven and on earth at sodom and gemorrah
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984
question three ----- this is like a really ridiculous question, Jesus only mention of scripture in regards to himself and who he is , by prophets.... but does not reference all prophet
plus adam was not a prophet, he never prophecied, he was the first of all mankind
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@The3in1trinity continue
Third:How many times did Jesus mentioned the name Adam to his desciples ? he should have mentioned him
alot to teach them about the original sin , he is paying the bill for Adam
raher than insulting u got questions now, answer !!
SoProudMuslim 1 year ago
@SoProudMuslim The Old Testament writings where there b4 Jesus was sent by His Father 2 b born as a human. So ppl had knowledge of what the Book of Genesis said. Ask less questions + ask God 2 give u understanding. I think it's time u started 2 read the Bible instead of asking questions that if u had read the Bible u could easily have found out the answers 4 urself. U have a choice 2 believe or disbelieve God's Word + His offer of 4giveness which u can't receive until u Repent...
The3in1trinity 1 year ago
008.061 But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things).
why didn't u complete , u ve just tuned off ur mouth b4 that ,, and all these accusations are refuted u can see the reply "Fitna is worse than Killing" search it and hear the other side and fair people judge ....
SoProudMuslim 1 year ago
what a response
008.060 Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of God and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.
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SoProudMuslim 1 year ago
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11 months ago HONOUR KILLING IN BIBLE
Leviticus 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.
{SO BURNT HER ALIVE} WHAOOO
02mrhifh 1 year ago
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- muzlims scream ‘allahuakbar’, before they slit throats, rape, murder, torture.
- ' allah ' is the arabic name for satan.
' allahuakbar ' , - means,- ' praise satan, lord of all muzlims '
mustafaweewee 1 year ago
jesus the prince of peace or terror? you decide.
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."
Matthew 10:34
.......But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence. (Luke 19:26-27)
Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple."
khalidalwaleed1 1 year ago
@khalidalwaleed1 you took those verses out of context.
TheReasonablefaith 1 year ago
@khalidalwaleed1 LOL: luke cont' vs27:And anyone who does not carry his cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.
bossofbossez 1 year ago
@khalidalwaleed1 Luke 14:31"Or suppose a king is about to go to war against another king. Will he not first sit down and consider whether he is able with ten thousand men to oppose the one coming against him with twenty thousand? 32If he is not able, he will send a delegation while the other is still a long way off and will ask for terms of peace. 33In the same way, any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple.
bossofbossez 1 year ago
@khalidalwaleed1 "YOU DECIDE" By my understanding Jesus is somewhat rephrasing the 1st commandment " Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind (Luke 10:27)" Don't put anyone above him NOT EVEN "your (his) father and mother, your(his) wife and children, your (his) brothers and sisters—yes, even your(his) own life.
bossofbossez 1 year ago
@khalidalwaleed1 I would continue and address all the verses you have raised but i might just be wasting my time. Believe what you want, some ppl under extremist/primitive laws do not have that freedom. I just want ppl hu read these comments not to be mislead by ppl hu take th bible out of context to justify their "actions". Anyhow, I am glad khalid reads the bible I encourage other Muslims to read it and judge for themselves. The truth is the truth whether u believe it or not
bossofbossez 1 year ago
@bossofbossez yeah i agree i think more non musim should read bible carefully.i became a muslim coz of the bible muhammad in the bible. so people read the bibhel so you too can find the truth.
khalidalwaleed1 1 year ago
@khalidalwaleed1 its clear to me you want to play ignorance.. there is no point arguing coz u trying to convince yourself to b right. we both know there is nothing ryt in yo religion check the news. Jesus said "you shall know them by their fruit" your fruits don't walk your talk
bossofbossez 1 year ago
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chickenugget2134 1 year ago
@khalidalwaleed1
Muhammad in the Bible?
I've never heard of that.
Could you explain?
chickenugget2134 1 year ago
@chickenugget2134 there is no muhammad in the bible. muslims twist the verse to associate it with muhammad when its nothing to do with him rather its talking about the holy spirit
soloscriptura1 1 year ago
@chickenugget2134 yes go on my channel and on there look through my favourite vids you should find one which talks about muhammad in the bible actaully it should be the first one it is a cool documentary part 1.....
khalidalwaleed1 1 year ago
@khalidalwaleed1 No Mohammad in the Inspired Word of God the Bible!!! This is y Muslims get so upset. Mohammad is a false prophet + an anti-Christ. JESUS WARNS US OF FALSE prophets + anti-Christ's who wld try 2 deceive the ELECT (Christians) but God's Holy Spirit discerns all truth from lies. Muslims need Jesus the Saviour + Messiah!!!
The3in1trinity 1 year ago
@The3in1trinity
n muhammad da anti christ plz do u knw in my book the quran jesus(p)is mentioned500%more den muhammad by name!n der is a chaptr in the quran surah maryam(Mary)dis is in honour of de mother of jesus (p) such a honer i dnt find given 2 mary in de bible.no muslim is a muslim if he doesnt believe jesus was a true man from god.jesus did many amazing miracles wid the help of god. and jesus says he who says the christ is as a man frmo god that is the true spirit muhammad said that.
khalidalwaleed1 1 year ago
@khalidalwaleed1 It matters not how many times Jesus is mentioned in the koran. The koran is still a satanic counterfeit of the Inspired Word of God the Bible. It is satan who has inspired the koran with his counterfeit false prophet Mohammad. The devil, who is satan himself knows Jesus exists+knows that he has but a short time until he is judged by the Son of God+will b happy 2 blind anyone 2 the truth of God's Word. U r being deceived. MATTHEW 20:17-19. When u believe these verses then repent
The3in1trinity 1 year ago
when god says, kill all homosexuals and adulters in the bible, do you debates it?
you can't debates god's words, like it or not
mickyboy200768 1 year ago
I want to hear Islamic societies say more about this, protest more. But they haven't addressed these issues? When some evil is committed and the person says theyre a christian, I am quick to point out what the bible has to say about how we should live. Can this be said for Muslims?
democrazy1987 1 year ago
Hating on Islam and Muslims is not the way
YahyaSnow 1 year ago
filthy muslim scroungers, deport them.
ThePorkistani 1 year ago
@ThePorkistani did you check on your whore mama lately, osama bin laden is bangging her ass
mickyboy200768 1 year ago
@mickyboy200768 i havent had time, im too busy wiping my ass on your mothers face ! she loves it ! muslim scrounger
ThePorkistani 1 year ago
I think moderate muslims if there are any who really intend to be moderate and peace-loving should re-write the Quran....I heard someone say that it became bad precisely at the time when the other religions would not listen to the prophet Mohammed and convert to islam...this is the point when and where the quran turns ugly and says to kill infidels....could we not stop it here?...is that too simple?....anyone?
preservwestculture 1 year ago
this man gives a calm intelligent opinion....and it's a fair opinion.....well done
preservwestculture 1 year ago 2
fuck u
sOfYaNi2010 1 year ago
What a lier and manipulator you are indeed. You never read the following verses to those you read. That's just low, this isn't a christian response but an ignorant response.
wolftch 1 year ago
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"steeds of war".
The British media right now is obsessed with imagery evoking horses but not Jihadis: knights, crusadors, bikers on their "fume-spewing steeds" (at Wooton Bassett, Daily Mirror).
And the events which you suppose were justifed by this scripture were faked.
I recommend the film (on youtube) September clues to demonstrate this.
What I find hard is that many of those pushing this subtle "crusade" to demonise muslims, are outwardly charming evangelical Christians.
arushandapushand 1 year ago
"steeds of war".
The British media right now is obsessed with imagery evoking horses but not Jihadis: knights, crusadors, bikers on their "fume-spewing steeds" (at Wooton Bassett, Daily Mirror).
And the events which you suppose were justifed by this scripture were faked.
I recommend the film (on youtube) September clues to demonstrate this.
What I find hard is that many of those pushing this subtle "crusade" to demonise muslims, are outwardly charming evangelical Christians.
arushandapushand 1 year ago
"steeds of war".
The British media right now is obsessed with imagery evoking horses but not Jihadis: knights, crusadors, bikers on their "fume-spewing steeds" (at Wooton Bassett, Daily Mirror).
And the events which you suppose were justifed by this scripture were faked.
I recommend the film (on youtube) September clues to demonstrate this.
What I find hard is that many of those pushing this subtle "crusade" to demonise muslims, are outwardly charming evangelical Christians.
ttimothymurphy 1 year ago
I wonder why r d quran thse ppl hav r much2 smaller n thinner? R thse d real transltion of d quran? Is it only d translation written in it without d arabic lines? Quran is supposed 2 b read/written wth both arabic n its translation. Not jus bare translation like mst bible did. Ppl cnnt jus read d translation wthout able 2 look in2 d real arabic lines. Muslim read quran by d arabic language. D translation is jus 4 them 2 understand wht d book's trying 2convey. Pls mke sure u hav d authorized one.
songketbiru 1 year ago
The translation is completely taken out of context and wrong. Use some common sense if the movie Fitna was actually revealing the truth, and if you had the right translation in your hands EVERY MUSLIM WOULD BE A TERRORIST!! NOT JUST A SIMPLE MINORITY!
Shame on you and what you spread, may god give you all that you deserve!
missyugoslavia1 1 year ago
This minority is causing havoc world wide, instead of blaming us why don't you tell your fellow Muslims that when they KILL like the quran tells them so, they are taking verses out of context?
Get out of here with these lame out of context excuses.
Islam is a death cult, Muhammad was a mass murderer.
Sura 9-111 TELLS YOU TO KILL AND GET KILLED FOR ALLAH
STOPShariaLAWnow 1 year ago
hello ........if u want solve questions that are there in your mind about religion? ,god
?,who created god?, was jesus god?original sin ?concept of trinity?salvation through jesus
blood? Crucifiction of Jesus Christ ?i can solve all of them . but u need to be patient
,reasonable and logical in all the concepts .then only i can guide u.
faazahmad 2 years ago
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VisibleHell 2 years ago
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Non Muslims don't want to hear about Islam, Geert Wilders life is threatened, by muslims....That's against our laws and it is evil. Islam is not peaceful. Muslims show it everyday...and the koran shows it with its words. You can't change what words say.
herself311 2 years ago
Every Country has right to protect itself from invasion from other country with all the resource and power it has.
Pretty basic that everyone should have all those resouce but country will have them.
That subject suits Country than individual.
Hope you read whole of the Quran there is Absolute promised Guidence for you.
OneHumanity1 2 years ago
so let me get this straight plz.what do u suggest to b done against us Moslims who r in yr western countries?cuz when describing us the major problem of this age -which is not true- then u have to suggest a solution.we r not willing to change or alter one letter in our holy book.we Moslims would all die before we let it happen.u can exterminate us before that happens.I here live in the UK enjoying freedom that i'd never get back home & i'll b grateful & loyal to this country until the day I die.
thewandererone 2 years ago
@thewandererone what do u suggest ? from a muslim prospective, ? u said u enjoy freedoms on the west, seems like u don't want to go back to barbarian dark Islamic sociaety . What do u suggest urself ?
acidentallycool 2 years ago 2
@thewandererone You are funny! You kill each other and pretend to defend an imaginary nation!
vickypeace2000 2 years ago
I must admit that i look upon muslims as our greatest european problem. Not as a people, but the problem is the religion itself. We fought nazism, communism and fascism, and eventually we're gonna have to stop Islam from dominating society. Gays rights, equality between men and women, cultural indifferences, democracy and secularism so on so on. We cannot coexist, and although i resent violence, I'm afraid that's how it will turn out in 20 years.
larslarsj 1 year ago
@larslarsj
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let me tell you something and mark my words europe will become muslim and muslim countries will become europeans, after 20 years more muslims in europe then any other religion, regards
bulanik07 1 year ago
Islam from dominating society? Take a look at the world around you...there are more than 50 muslim nations in the world who are not imperialistic and overthrowing governments of sovereign nations unlike European and American countries that are dominated by Christianity. Islam isn't at war against the west but rather the West is in a war with Islam; Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Pakistan and sometime soon most likely Iran are all proofs of this.
Fatima1088 1 year ago
always playing the victims aren't you?
Muslims are responsible for the genocide of over 2 million Sudanese
Muslims are responsible for the murder of 1.5 million Armenians
Muslims are responsible for the massacre of 80 million hindus
Muslims are responsible for the Bali massacre Beslan, Madrid bombing, London bombing
Stoning women to death for adultery
Muslims are responsible for 500 Christians killed with machetes just a few weeks ago in Nigeria
STOPShariaLAWnow 1 year ago
Muslims are NOT innocent, get off your high horse.
STOPShariaLAWnow 1 year ago
@Fatima1088 wtf Fatima!? and which countries in Europe would you sincerely call imperialistic and overthrowing other governments? You mean when we chased the terrorist/heroin pushing barbarians, better known as Taliban from Afghanistan, So that women and children could have an education? And do not talk about America, they fight their own stupid war. This is Europe we're talking about. where the hell did you learn to read.
larslarsj 1 year ago
@larslarsj And where did you learn your manners? I read independent news media that report on the amount of civilian deaths in the all the countries at war, America's allies are European countries that have troops in the battlefield who are in support of all these wars. By the way England and America held a huge role in making Iran the way it is now as they both overthrew the democracy and incited the revolution there.@STOPShariaLAWnow...Your a propagandist, just where did you get those numbers?
Fatima1088 1 year ago
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1. "If you don't believe, you are condemned to hell"
"Lo! Allah will gather hypocrites and disbelievers, all together, into hell" -- Koran 4:140
"Lo! hell verily is all around the disbelievers." -- Koran 9:49
"Allah promiseth the hypocrites, both men and women, and the disbelievers fire of hell for their abode." -- Koran 9:68
Jakester1111 2 years ago
arnt these madina verses for war jihad purposes only? meaning if there are poeple stoping u from following your religion
hades1234567 2 years ago
psychlopes1976
Nevertheless, regardless of your anger, I have responded to your initial Direct Claim about a "good muslim never tells lies" and have exposed that claim as a lie in itself. Because I have done so, I have prompted you to re-phrase your claim because you knew I was right, & that is why you re-phrased it. I will now discontinue this subject with you as I feel there is no point in continuing on a subject I have already "Proven". I will not respond to further comments. God Bless you.
answerme33 2 years ago
Don't worry, I found a way to solve this problem once and for all... just bear with me am inute.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
Yes, I rephrased with a smilie at the end of my sentence, because I thought you were just trying to point out that someone might misunderstand what I said, and that I agreed to, and merrily if I may add. But I didn't know that you were out on a witch hunt trying to paint me as a liar and a deceiver. You proved nothing other that your lack the capacity listen to reason.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
psychlopes1976
When one gets "caught out" with a direct claim or statement, as I have done with you as a "Dishonest Individual", the obvious response is to cover your tracks by trying to twist the story to the extent of confusion so as to avoid the issue altogether. Nevertheless, I am responding to your initial claim, regardless of your attempts to try and confuse me, which you cannnot do. A person is not "sinless" because they do not lie, that is another deception. Only God is sinless.
answerme33 2 years ago
Dishonest Individual !!!! OMG, are you serious? listen, take a breather, then come back with an objective friend, and tell him what would you understand when I say to you that "A good christian never lies". Don't take my word for it, just ask someone who didn't read this moronic discussion we''ve just had. Please, get serious!
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
"A person is not "sinless" because they do not lie, that is another deception. Only God is sinless." Man, you really need professional help! you're twisting everything I said. Please just walk over to the person in the next room, and tell him what would you understand if I said "a good christian never lies" (replacing Muslim with Christian to avoid bias) and come back and "honestly" report to me what they said. OK? PLEASE, its the objective thing to do, and you know it.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
Your problem is that you're clinging to every word I'm saying instead of understanding the meaning of what I'm saying. I never said that one is sinless if he doesn't lie, what I mean is that I didn't claim that Muslims are INCAPABLE OF LYING i.e. FREE FROM THE SIN OF LYING. get a GRIP and a life while you're at it.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
psychlopes1976
Oh dear, you are upset. Calm down. It is not necessary for you to work yourself into a frenzy because you have an opponent who is responding to your claims. I am not upset or angry with you. As I mentioned in my first response, I do not believe that a person has to adhere to a particular Faith or belief system to lie, or to tell the truth. I believe that people from ALL Faiths tell lies and truths as well - which proves me to be far more honourable and honest than yourself.
answerme33 2 years ago
"which proves me to be far more honourable and honest than yourself." no, what you've just proved is that you have the brain the size of a peanut. I hope some objective reader here would speak up and tell you how moronic your arguments are because really, your stupidity is overwhelming.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
You're only "assuming" that I'm lying with every breath I take because I'm Muslim. Please, be honest with yourself, would you read that much into what a person says if he was a Christian? My words are clear to any normal, logical, rational person. For some reason, they aren't so to you. Again!your problem, not mine.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
psychlopes1976
To be Truthful about "lying" is far more honourable and respectful than claiming that one "never lies", which is a lie in itself, and is deceptive and dishonest. Deception and dishonesty do not bring honour or respect.
answerme33 2 years ago
answerme33 - I think anybody reading my comment which you are responding to would know that by what I said I wasn't claiming that a Muslim is not capable of lying, but that he is forbidden from lying (I hope you can see the difference between the two) , peace
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
psychlopes1976
Hi - actually, if you go back and re-read your comment, you will note that you said directly that "A good muslim is one who never lies". This is a direct claim/statement, and that is what prompted my response to you - and now you seem to be saying that you didn't make such a claim in the first place. Please re-read your comment. I would respect you if you admit the TRUTH, rather than try and twist the issue. Be honest with yourself. God bless!
answerme33 2 years ago
"and now you seem to be saying that ..." I never made such a claim, see you're twisting my words again I said, and you can go down and check these words "I think that anybody reading my comment would realize that I wasn't claiming that Muslims are not capable of lying but that they are forbidden from lying" I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here?
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
Many Christians have made the same thing about Christians "that they never lie", and I never understood it to mean that they were sinless. I know when a person says I never lie that he's not talking in absolute, but that the rule of thumb is that he or she doesn't lie. So, open your mind a bit more, and stop trying to twist what I'm saying into something that I didn't mean to say.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
made the same claim*
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
nothing does matters in all this except one fact! why they don't read the whole coranic verset instead a part of it!
foreverhonesty 2 years ago
i forgot...one more thing
disbelievers r not jews and christians ,,,we believe that they believe in the same god (so by definition they r not disbelievers ),,,,,ofcourse we also believe that they wrong in many aspects though .notice that we must believe in moses and jesus as prophets
i believe that all of those verses were talking about disbelievers who were living in the time of the prophet muhammed and fighting with the first moslems
yassso79 2 years ago
please guys....its very simple
hate moslems not islam
(i am a moslem and i hate some of them )
my point is if some one says that his beliefs is peacful then why r u suggeting he is lying ,,and bringing him so called evidence from his hollybook (which he knows better than u))????
my understanding of islam shows its a good and right religon .
the extremists understanding is bad and violent so by all means hate them ,fight with them and i'll even help u .
peace 2 all .
yassso79 2 years ago
The "other story" I was referring to is the story you don't see on the media - they pick black sheep from here and there and feed the story to you as if Muslims in general are like that. And the problem is that you probably know this is the case but you want to believe that Muslims are "evil" people and that Islam is evil so that you can sleep better at night. Islam is the biggest threat to other creeds and when you demonize Islam you feel more secure in your faith.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
Actually, Muslims, in general, are much better than Islam!
vickypeace2000 2 years ago
Fitna can also mean "test of faith" BTW.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
this is proof to me that old man in the video is crazy and trying to be like paul..i bet you are the son of paul!
JESUSisTHEslaveofGOD 2 years ago
U look like educated person but sorry to say u r "educated illetrate" because what ever he shown about quraan in the movie is out of context, the director has not showed the context part bcos his lie will be caught....
faiz2uonclub 2 years ago
Fitnah means Disbeilef.
His Movie is true and not False.
TheSoundKage 2 years ago
"Fitnah means Disbeilef." No, Fitnah does not mean that, it means "confusion" : or that's at least one of its most used meanings. But it never means disbelief. His movie is so false that one wouldn't know where to begin to debunk it, but look around on youTube and you will find many nice refutations for it. That is if you're actually seeking the truth, and not just looking for a smoking gun that doesn't exist to condemn Muslims.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
I have an Idea. Maybe, the reformers in majority muslim countries are inspired by Islam just as the "fundamentalists" are inspired by Islam. I mean, there are christians today doing doing great charity work which is inspired by their view of christianity, just like the Spanish inquisition was inspired by a certain view of christianity. This is how religion, and all ideologies, work. I think its more complicated than most make it out to be. I'm Christian BTW
MCMaddogMckenzi 2 years ago
Shalom Rabbi, This is without images just talking no christian message in it. Paul Corias
lionyahud 2 years ago
read Quran and u will know the truth we muslims talk about..
te7amooot 2 years ago
the truth? about some guy who hid in a cave, had a supposed vision, ran around the hills killing travelers, married a 9 year old when he was 53, slaughtered 800 Jews in Medina, couldn't even write, and never performed a single miracle...??
is that the truth...forget it
MitchellJohnLeard 2 years ago
MitchellJohnLeard" Wow, for a person speaking with such zest against ISlam, you sure do have many fallacies about it. See, you people are experts at taking things out of context. and in some times uttering blatant lies. Each one of your claims have been refuted a thousand times, but you don't care about listening to the story of the other side, you just want to have an excuse to hate Islam because you don't understand it.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
Psychlope, what story should we listen to? It's enough to read the newspapers and to watch the news. Sad image of Muslims going nuts killing each other with such ferocity! Nothing can justify that.
vickypeace2000 2 years ago
You said it "the news papers" and the media, you mean the same media that picks stories that sell? Yesm there are a lot of black sheep people in Islam these days, but they weren't there before they were created by current world events, imperialism, Israel, worldwide campaigns to demonize Muslims, but there are also a lot of things that are being fabricated to frame Muslims. 9-11 is Proving everyday to be more than what US officials said it was.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
I'm a Muslim living in an Arab country and if you came here you'd find peace loving people who just want to live and let live, you don't see that on your media, do you? You've got Muslims around the world spearing peace and love, and helping humanity, but you don't see stories about those, do you? You created fundamentalists - mainstream Muslims tell you they do not represent Islam, but you invent "war on terrorism" which is actually "war on Islam" and you create more fundamentalists
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
Fundamentalists see the west oppressing Muslims and viciously attacking Islam and they react and revolt even though the way they do it is against Islam. The problem with you people is that you see the world in one dimension you forget that it's cause and effect. You think Muslims hate you (those who do) because you are unbelievers, and totally turn a blind eye to the context of this new phenomena, which you are the reason for.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
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psychlopes1976 2 years ago
"you go back to some historical facts... " So there's no validity in bringing us history? yesterday was the present back then, today's present is tomorrow's history, yesterday what Islam was accused of today didn't exist back then, Christians were committing the same things Muslims are accused of today. So it's not Islam or Christianity that is at fault, but times change, and with it so do people, but scriptures remain the same, so you look into scriptures to know right from wrong.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
When I told you in a previous comment that a good muslim is one who never lies, Did you understand from what I said that a) Good Muslims are incapable of lying (and therefore godly) OR b) Good Muslims are those who, as a rule of thumb, do not lie, and live their lives believing lying is wrong? Please, settle this for us once and for all.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
lol this guys doesnt know what he's talkin about. What a looser
hdx87 2 years ago
If ur a xtian then y dont u prove how peaceful the bible is? wasnt it the white xtians who xterminated the Jews? what about the native americans or the negroes of Africa? did they not use the bible to justify these atrocities?
vaj99 2 years ago
It's not about Books, but about people committing crimes in the name of Allah!
vickypeace2000 2 years ago
vickypeace2000 - Xhristians committed atrocities in the name of "I AM". What do you think the Crusades were? Christians during that time killed Muslims and Jews alike (although supposedly their beef was with Muslims alone) scores and scores of people were killed ruthlessly. The inquisition, slaughtering of natives in the America. Even today Christians are killing masses, but its done by regimented armies. Of course its about books, and people thinking (un-rightfully) their doing God's word.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
The problem with you Muslims is whenever people criticize the current situation of Muslims, who are not only trying to terrorize the world but killing their own people in the most horrible ways and contributing nothing to the progress of humanity , you go back to some historical facts that are indicted by Christians and Jews themselves.
vickypeace2000 2 years ago
You think it's not valid to bring up history? yesterday was the present back then and today is tomorrow's history. It doesn't matter when something was done, what matters is what it was based on when it was done. The bible you have now is the same bible that Christians had back during the inquisitions, right? You don't look at what the followers of a religion are doing to understand that religion, (idially that would be the case) but in reality, you go to the source and find out what "IT" says.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
Psychlopes, it's precisely what's going on. We are judging religions on the basis of the image of their representatives. The fruit never falls far from the tree!
vickypeace2000 2 years ago
Sooner or later the fruit does roll away from the tree. Given enough time, people can steer away from the true teachings of an idea or a religion, Few Christians these day conduct their life in the manner that is taught in the bible, so is the case with Muslims, you're entitled to your opinion, but I personally believe that Islam is much better than Most Muslims. I see true Muslims everyday in my society, and those people are role models. And they are not highlighted so you don't see them.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
Who is a good Muslim according to you? Are Ben Laden and Zarqaoui good enough to represent you?
vickypeace2000 2 years ago
Of course not!!! I sometimes even doubt those two even exist, its so unthinkable for me that anybody would call himself a Muslim and kill innocent people. Call me a conspiracy theorist but I think those are people invented by anti-Islam people to frame Islam, but even if they were Muslims, they certainly do not represent me or what mainstream Muslims would consider to be a true Muslim.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
Ben Laden and Zarqaoui are as real as their crimes, but they consider themselves "the real Muslims". However, they were not invented in the sense of being imaginary. These criminals were "made" by the enemies of Muslims. And it's up to Muslims to cope with this horrible confusion around their identity now that they have to justify their very existence.
vickypeace2000 2 years ago
My idea of a true Muslim is my uncle, who prays , fast and worships God, but also as a pediatrician treats needy people for next to nothing and never said a cuss word in his entire life. A true Muslim is my friend from college who helps all those around him without asking for anything in return, I consider myself somewhat of a good Muslim because I treat my mother with the utmost respect and I never raise my voice to her, and because I love my neighbors, etc.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
A true Muslim is someone who gives to charity without anybody knowing about it, not even his wife "as opposed to writing it off a tax deductible or making a documentary about it". A good Muslim is someone who never lies; a good Muslims is someone who never cheats......
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
That's the case for the mainstream Muslims and that's why Islam has survived so far. But now with the huge and powerful trend of fundamentalism, Islam and "good" Muslims are in serious trouble. Islamist terrorists are killing Islam.
vickypeace2000 2 years ago
Hello vickypeace2000 - sorry, you might not remember me, but we had a little discussion a while back. So would you help please me by answering this question?
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
psychlopes1976
With respect, you say a good muslim is one who "never lies", but this is an Untrue statement. It is impossible for a person to go through their entire life without ever telling one single lie, and to claim that is a lie in itself. Almighty God teaches in the Bible that there is only ONE who cannot Lie, and that it is impossible for Him to lie and that is God alone. A true muslim is not God and all lie, just as anyone else can and do. God Bless!
answerme33 2 years ago
I understand what you mean. Let me rephrase "A great Muslim never lies (intentionally), a good Muslim tries with all his might not to lie" :)
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
psychlopes1976
Thank you for replying. I believe that one does not have to adhere to any particular Faith or belief system to be a liar or not. If one does not lie "intentionally", then what are they intending to do? Why would one have to "try with all his might" as if it were a struggle not to lie? From this statement, one can get the impression that to "try with all his might" not to lie means that the person is generally a Liar (because he is trying not to lie) - do you agree or understand?
answerme33 2 years ago
answerme33 - you're starting to twist my words, and that if anything is the act of dishonesty. You know I was being playful with my choice of words, and you're obviously just looking to trap me, but anyway, I repeat "I wasn't claiming that a Muslim is not capable of lying (sinless), but that he is forbidden from lying"
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
psychlopes1976
Why is it that you won't admit the TRUTH of your direct claim about a good muslim never lies? See, I have Proven that it is impossible for anyone to go through life without lying. You will gain honour through admission of your faults rather than hide them or "pass the buck" to your opponent to make it look as though they were misunderstanding what you said, which is what you are trying to do with me. I am using my reasoning & analytical skills to respond to your initial claim.
answerme33 2 years ago
LOL, man, this discussion is becoming idiotic, a statement is as good as what the writer intends it to mean and what he knows the reader will understand from it. Believe me, no one other than you would think what I said means that a Muslim is "incapable" of lying. I think the meaning of what I wrote is clear, and I have nothing to admit. I thought you misunderstood my words so I explained what I meant, but I wasn't lying when I wrote them.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
"I am using my reasoning & analytical skills ". I'm sorry, but I find no analytical skills in what you're saying. You're just twisting my words. Any "sane" person would understand what I wrote in the way that I just explained. If you like to read too much into what other people say, that is your problem, not mine. I'm sure if a Christian said those words about Christians, you would have understood right away what they meant, and you wouldn't have given him grief about it.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
psychlopes1976
You don't have to apologise to me about anything. If you are upset, why are you? Is it because I referred you to your initial claim to which I made the initial response? If you consider yourself a "sane person", then you will agree that a DIRECT claim is unambiguous (meaning that the direct claim is clear and without double or multiple meanings). Do you agree? If you are unable to use your reasoning & analytical skills to arrive at a sure conclusion, then you have my sympathy
answerme33 2 years ago
"Is it because I referred you to your initial claim to which I made the initial response? " LOL, NO, it's because you just called me a dishonest person based on your interpretation of what I said. You know I give up, I can't compete with your "analytical skills" you're obviously waaaaay superior to me!!!! But tell you what, do carry out that experiment I outlined below, I think it will tell you much about your so called analytical skills.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
"You don't have to apologise to me about anything"...............good, because I'm not
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
"... indicted by Christians and Jews themselves. " being condemned doesn't mean they didn't happen. Muslims all over the world condemn terrorism, which of course you don't get to know about because you're listening biased media that doesn't find that kind of story "news worthy". You're in Morocco, (at least that is what you're channel says) you think you know Islam? From what I heard Islam in Morocco is an empty shell of what it used to be or what Islam actually is in other places of the world.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
Psycho, are you deploring the fact that Moroccan Islam is different from that of Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Afghanistan and Pakistan? Then we understand your e-jihad. You're ready for action man!
vickypeace2000 2 years ago
You obviously did not understand what I wrote, or are intentionally twisting what I said, go back and read it again. Your comment is not what one would describe as logical, in fact, its quite stupid.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
I need your help with this argument I'm having with someone here.
psychlopes1976 2 years ago
Y dont u bother to the verses b4 and after the ones u quote.Chapter 8 is about the peace treaty with the mushriks of mecca, wich the mushrik unilateraly broke.Wich quran r u using?becuz my quran duznt mention tanks and guns.
vaj99 2 years ago