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  • nice job and well done brother....peace

  • To all the people doubting this you need to visit tezpower.com. It has a an honest, no bull explanation with realistic expectations. I met the guy in Iceland when I was on holiday with a mutual friend. Ive seen first hand the cleanliness of the engines, he is testing on dirtbikes, quads, cars, road bikes - everything. Ive got a clip of my mate riding the blue harley in the articles, it sounds amazing and the throttle response is so quick he bypassed the pump.

  • you should feed the electricity generated by the generator back into the HHO cell ...

  • Relying grossly on basic equations which -can't- properly tell the story... and THEIR given numbers (if honest) - the reactor (he says) is 130v x 10a = 1300 watts. The genny, at 2.4hp = 1790 watts. So if it is self running, it is because it should be able to produce it's own fuel, mathematically. And that's just using what is told. Of course it can idle. Try that with a skill saw plugged in? I'll bet 6 minutes worth of gasoline took less energy to produce.

  • cool, i never figured this would be practical due to the electrical power consumed to perform electrolysis. Have you worked out the math to determine the efficiency of this setup?

  • @drewhastheinternet As you would know efficiency calcs have numerous variables pressure, temperature and relationship to sea level. Without getting into too much detail here Faraday's unity would be around 140Watt per litre minute (SATP). Our systems operate from 160 to 200 watts per litre minute.

    It's common for people to focus on Faraday and forget about the unique combustion characteristics of the gas, which is not like other para-magentic mixes of hydrogen.

  • @hohcells 1300 watts consumption at 80 percent efficiency only produced 6.6 liters per minute of HHO an energy output equal to approximately 1.36Hp. Your 2.4HP petrol engine (generator) was not under any electrical load at the time of testing. The question is how many liters per minute of HHO is required to run this engine at 2200 RPM under a full load?

  • IS this thing actually running on a hydrogen and oxygen mixture? Combining thoes two gasses in the proportions generated through electrolysis is extremely dangerous. I can remember shattering glass test tubes and deafening everyone in the classroom experimenting with the flammability of hydrogen and oxygen mixtures.

  • @drewhastheinternet . Yes. This gas has everything it needs to combust. Usual safety and precautions should be observed at all times, particularly when students are involved. It is a wonderful teaching aid to experiment with this gas and its production processes but you need to have safe equipment, come on not glass.

  • the thing is, how many litters of hho do we need to be efficient?

    1L per minute of hho, I thnk it is not enough to improve the combustion.

    4-5L per minute, it may be the correct quantity of hho ?

  • Hi! I am planning to install a HOH cell on my car. I would like to reduce the fuel consumption by at least 30%. I can link the computer to the car and retrieve L/min fuel consumption. Do you think that making the 30% of that value and substituting the volume with a HOH cell with that output I will reach my goal?

    I mean: If I install a cell that makes 3 L/min, can I check numerically before installing it that that volume will be enough to cover the 30% of gas requierements of my engine? Thx!!

  • @wadelacme Each engine, cell, driver, tuning is different in many ways so it is impossible to give specifics. I can talk to the data we collect and tune for, which is between 1%-5% for 10%-40% increase in combustion efficiency. You will need to keep a close eye on NOX.

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  • The big issue to solve to get "freer" energy is how to split to water molecules more easily, to facilitate the spliting of the water molecules. Someone should experiment using water under high preasure, or solidify water, ice, that is. etc, etc. etc. etc. The idea is to find a way for water to split more easily at a lower energy cost. Also, have you heard of the Orgone Energy Accumulator? what about putting the cell into a high density orgone energy accumulator. Just ideas for you to experiment

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  • Ok so an input power of 1.3Kw to produce the HHO. Running a generator rated for 2.4hp. 1hp is roughly equal to 750 Watts. So potentially the generator could push out 1.8KVA. My question is, is there actually a 1.8Kw load on the generator. You could use an electrical load dump such as an electric heater for example or even the water splitter unit itself. Try increasing the load incrementally till you find where the maximum load before it cuts out is. If you can make it past 1.3Kw you're laughing.

  • is the hho compressed or straight from the electrolosis chamber?

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  • does hho engine runs as hot as normal gasolin? thanks

  • pressure regulator?

    I hope you're not running it straight off the bubbler. That would cause huge output fluctuations.

  • ok. tell me how you generate hydrogen gas to feed into the motor? what fuel did you use for electrolysis in producing HH? You're just showing HH powering the motor...but how about the fuel you consume to generate HH? don't tell me you got it from the electric grid?

  • question here is, what causes the engine to stop after 30 minutes.. is it the water vapor getting in?

  • probably engine timing.

  • not enough HHO prodution! that's probaly why it can only run @ 2200 RPM's ...do a search on hydrogen 524 ..as in a small block chevy needs 524 Liters per minute to run a straight HHO gas ....this thread gives the volume specs for this problem ....engine that size probaly needs 100 LPM to run on straight HHO

  • Somehow I expect to see a guy dressed up as Santa Claus do a cameo in the video and go HOHOHO! hehe. =)

  • Uhh, the "traditional scientific community" may describe the structure of H2O as HOH but no matter how you describe it it's still water.

  • what ever you call it, it is still burnt hydrogen.

  • how much air is bled into this set up?

  • Impress me, Remove the fuel tank completely and run this solely on HOH HHO.

  • Have you made any adjustments to the carburetor?

    Is the gas being directly fed to the engine or is the HHO gas going through a regular unmodified float carburetor? Thanks great video.

  • 130 voltes is a lot how much heat u puing off

  • We already know how to run engines on Hydrogen.

    Why don't you stop wasting your time and instead focus on techniques for getting the Hydrogen from water efficiently.

    The technology is relatively simple and its pretty well published at this point.

  • how much energy are u using to make the gas ?

    are their better designed hydrogen generators that use little electricity.

    could you use a little bit of the power the generator produces, so we can have a water powered generator ?

    Paul

  • 130 volts AC, or DC?

  • 130 volts * 10 amps = 1300watt or 1.3KW

    now that is alot of input power,

    omg we are supposed to make it more efficient and not the other way around!

    stanley meyers claimed to have done it using under one watt and also having massive oxygen-hydrogen gas mixture output!!! now that is an accomplishment!

    efficiency people!!!! increase efficiency!!! together we can achieve it!

  • OMG you are right bro, electric motors are more efficient!!!

  • true, we may need to look for alternative in hho production and perform test as a community, to reach this accomplishment

  • the best thing to do is think simple with ideas

  • yeah the government killed him the day after his patent was sold to the defense department

  • is he the dude that pulsed his input at about 20khz into alloy electrodes. and apparently achieved overunity?

  • You must be the most stupid person on the Web

  • in all honesty I cant make any sense out of anything you wrote here. are you able to explain futher

  • hmm looks good..but complicated

  • Good deal!! Have you tried retarding the timing on the engine? if its still set for running on gasoline then it would help the engine alot

  • I must say this is Great Work! this is an advancement, now lets see how much energy is produced when hooked up to a generator. or to a bigger engine!

  • 3000 rpms is not enough to run a 1 phase generator, this takes 3600 rpms, It did not sound like 3000 rpm this gen was running.

  • this is a 50 hz genenerator so 50/60 times 3600 rpm = 3000 rpm for a 50 hz gen

  • Joe Cocker playing in the background,,, I want to work there.

  • Ok, I have a question. Have you tryed running both gas and hho? If so how much fuel economy is increased? The only thing I can see as a problem is the 30amps being used to push the hho electrodes. Is there a perfect number for which you can run both(increasing economy) and still have enough amps left for usage?

  • Some people may say that HHO fuel isent as powerfull as petroleum but thats because

    we are useing old and inefficient piston crank

    technology when we could be developing new engins like the MYT motor ( ok maybe it works and maybe it dosent but its still a good idea and insted of saying it will never work maybe we could think of ways to make it work )

  • lol good demo, but awful u needed so much energy

    and btw it was run from MAINS POWER as stated in the description. not by the generator, or else that would be perpetual energy 2 a certain extent. and we kno thats what hippies believe in :P

  • What is HOH and HHO?

  • Its h20 unbonded, so its not water.

  • Right, that was an old comment lol.

    Thanks for ansering anyways :)

  • HOH is closer to the molecular structure of H2O... hydrogen attached to an oxygen which is attached to another hydrogen. HOH is how the traditional scientific community describes it.

    HHO is the same thing, just someone started saying it like that since H2O "separated" would simply be H, H, and a O.

    Two sides of the same coin - though I feel the people that use and post HHO titled experiments have more ingenuity.

  • but technically when you break down hydrogen and oxygen from water. They form H2 and O2 at a 2 to 1 ratio. So, HHO actually better describes the gas.

  • You can get a Pulse Width Modulator to control HHO current to your cell on ebay here:

    Search for:

    Power Tube II Hydrogen Fuel Cell Electronics

  • At about 2:12 this shows the generator off and the cell drawing 130 Volts, 10 Amps, 1.3 KW.

    At about 3:15 with the line disconnected he starts the engine and quickly shuts it off.

    The thing with the blue top is a bubbler, a safety device.

    Running an unloaded generator with 1.3 KW is not a very impressive demonstration.

  • 1.3kw is not a verry impressive demonstration???

    u seem to forget that he`s getting it from the hydrogen,.....basicly or free,....so 1.3 KILOwatts aint 2 bad i would say, if u would use invertors u can get pretty far on 1.3kw,dont u agree? invert 12 volts- to 110/220~ ore even better,run all on 12volts, its possible.

    greetzzz marsL001

  • 1.3 KW in and ZERO out does not impress me. If it was the other way around, it might impress me.

    If he was getting an output, it MIGHT not be silly.

  • Look. 1,3 KW engine takes about 1 or 2 litres of fuel per hour. 30 KW engine takes not 30 litres of fuel but about 5 --7 litres of fuel per hour. So, 30KW engine needs only 5 times more fuel than 1,3 KW engine, so 30 KW engine needs to produce 5 times more electricity than 1,3 KW engine. So the other energy 30 KW engine produces remains for useful work. So I think 30 KW engine looses about 5 KW for electricity to produce HHO but 25 KW remains for do ther jobs. Understand?

  • One thing I'm wondering just as a laymen here is I've heard someone mention that HHO systems work but burn too hot and thus damage/melt engine components. Is this true or is it just someone trying to throw spread disinformation?

  • This depends on how it is used. Pure HHO will melt or break stuff, dilute it with air and/or exhaust and it burns slower and cooler.

    You also must retard the ignition or it will be damaged by the preignition.

  • The heat of HHO is greater than that of gasoline, but it is non-corrosive and actually cleans engines.

  • WAY too many unexplained things going on in this video. What's that extra line off the top left of the water/HHO conversion unit (blue top) and what's that large white pressure cylinder for, and what's that huge generator looking thing in the plastic box? Without explaining these things and some of the other questions asked here in comments, a video like this is absolutely worthless and so easy to take as a scam by anyone with more than a 6th grade shop class education.

  • Is this a brute force cell or are you using "other" methods for manipulating the current?

  • Just brute force

  • INdeed how many amps is needed to allow this to run on hydrogen only and I'm assuming there is no load on the engine.

  • Hi this detail is in previous comments. 10AMP 120V 1.2kw. The engine carries a load like a medium sized drill at about half power.

  • Ok lets see a medium sized drill using/drawing 4-5 amps at half power yet it takes 10 separate amps fromm/off the grid to produce the hydrogen? STill a sizable net loss.

  • hWat is you ampers to keeep it running??

  • sorry to ask, but what is your configuration. how you produce 12 lpm.

  • Did you yet try to run a load

    like a light bulb on the generator output ?

    Could you please show this too ?

    Maybe show 2x 500 Watts bulbs fully illuminated ?

    Many thanks.

    Regards, Stefan.

  • Even if water is 5 times less efficient than gasoline, five gallons of tap water costs 100 times less than 1 gallon of gasoline. That means $1.00 worth of tap water (several hundred gallons) will take your car 100 times farther than $1.00 worth of gasoline (about 1/3 of a gallon). I will gladly stop to fill the tank more often to go over 100 mi. for $0.10. worth of water instead of $10.00 worth of gas.

  • The calorific value of water is 4.16 kilojoules

    Diesel fuel 46 MJ kg -1

    Petrol 44.8 -- 46.9 MJ kg -1

    Regardless of the exact Calorific values the average consumer is more concerned with the (mil. per dollar) not (mil. per gal.) With the difference in energy values between water and petroleum so large trying to compare them in (mil. per gal.) instead of (mil. per Dollar) is very misleading.

  • nah whats misleading is YOU! how long has the ICE been around? how much money has been poured into the ICE over the last SEVERAL decades. personaly i think you discredit everyone around you and the statements you make are very counter productive! just think what could have happened to these ppl if circumstances were different including peer pressure and colleague suport; Sir Humphry Davy, Warren de la Rue, Frederick de Moleyns, and a host of others. so plz just doing the math isnt good eough. :]

  • You have to chance the timing of the engine back to almost top dead center because hydrogen and HHO burns much faster than petrol. Hydrogen 4 times faster than petrol

  • be extremely careful retarding or dvancing the timing to extremes, as this can severely affect your engine for the bad... your best off getting  mechanic that understands whats going on to do it for you...

  • this proves that more energy can be produced than absorbed, its using approx 1.7 hp and produces 2.4 hp through the generator, if you could run the generator completely off itself then that would be perfect evidence...

  • Unfortunately, oil is a great deal for many people. And they have a very strong lobby. That's why we aren't running cars and other engines on hydrogen, YET! It's a shame. Think of all the pollution and money spent on gas.

  • its not the people, its the car and oil componies not willing to produce the technology for money issues.

  • Hmmmm, I wonder why all the water cell vids take ages to download? Me thinks someone is trying to annoy me enough to stop watching.

  • excellent vid,keep on trying you will get there in the end.

  • hohcell another question. what is your method if getting your hydrogen? are you using a plate coil or some other method. I am asking as it seems that you are using a LOT of power to get your hydrogen and I think there are some ways to get more hydrogen from less electricity

  • hohcell is the engine a briggs and stratton or a tecumcah?? also are you running it a the default timing? if not how did you change the timing? thanks a lot I have been looking into this a lot

  • Well Done!

    Are you you slowing the burn rate of HHO in anyway?

  • sorry if this sounds stupid, but what´s the difference between HHO and HOH?

    thanx!

  • Nothing... Both does not exist. The real term is Hydrogen mixed with Oxygen.

  • you make enough electricity with the engine to produce HHO?

    How many cm3 is the engine?

    thanks

  • No, please see comments

  • Ei, can you explain why you need to start your engine with petrol if you can run it on HOH. Because in my experience. I can start my engine with HOH and my problem is running it continiously. tnx

  • I've found that starting on Petrol is much easier as it reduces the likelihood of flashback and is more reliable. Timing variations make it difficult as the optimum for HOH is not the same for Petrol so finding the middle ground can be elusive.

  • wow... this is the ultimate goal, make energy exclusivly from water....

    by the way, how many watts does this generator outputs?

  • 1200W peak, 900 watts continuos. 1200 Watts of energy is used from the mains to run this engine.

  • Is the Engine running Entirely on HOH? Have you shut off the fuel intake from the gasoline entirely when you switch to HOH?

  • This is basic stuff and easily repeated. It is not over unity, but does demonstrate how close HOH is to running at unity. With improved engine design and efficient HOH production this gas has a critical role to play in this planets future!

  • Yes indeed. The engine is started on petrol, then the tap switched off. There is petrol in the pot of the carby after the tap is turned off, which is exhausted after approximately 2 minutes, 30 seconds. The rest of the time the engine runs exclusively on HOH.

    If you listen carefully to the engine, you hear the tonal shift when the petrol runs and out as the RPM drops.

  • if you want the engine to run better try changing the timing closer to TDC as hydrogen burns faster then gasoline

  • Thanks for the advice, we have been trying a range of timing settings using an realtime electronic advance and retard system. There is much information out there and common sense would say fire close to TDC, but this is not "always" the case as there are many variables (fuel-HOH-air) ratios.

  • Its running even if the HHO hose is not connected. He forgot the Put back the hose after testing the Flow rate and still the engine runs.

  • Video clear states "Engine started on Petrol" You will see in the video I turn the fuel on, start the engine, then insert the HOH, then turn the fuel off. Petrol runs out after about 2:30secs

  • amazing!! are u running ur fuelcell on tapwater? or did u add lye,soda?

  • see comments below...

  • If you add up the electricity he generates, and subtract the electricity that makes the hydrogen, this idea COSTS more than it SAVES.

    Electrolysis it the least efficient method of generating hydrogen. You will be hearing about this scam on the evening news soon.

    This guy is selling something. Will you be the next to lose money?

  • Yeah he is, an alternative! Yes electrolysis takes energy to make it. The HOH site even shows you how to make your own without purchasing anything.

    If people didnt try anything and just continued to line up consume at the bowser then we wouldnt have alternatives.

    Dont be so small minded.

  • Thanks for sticking up for the technology (good, bad or indifferent) we need to do things that "others" aren't, as left to them they will destroy our world (as we know it)through their greed, scepticism, naivety our closed mindedness.

    I encounter this often and no longer have the time or the patience to respond to armchair critics. They are of no concern as they will never do anything except hinder.

  • Place water (fuel) in a car. Use electricity to split water. Recombine (burn) the hydrogen and Oxygen in the engine moving car. Recondense the exhaust back into water. Reuse water( fuel). If you could split the water with enough efficiency (not overunity) but close. Then running the car on water would be cheaper then using petroleum.

  • Even if I had to refill my tank with water 5 times more often then gasoline it would still be 10 times cheaper. Tap Water = $0.03 per gal. ver Gas = $3.50 per gal.

  • Have you ever taken a science class? Do you know how much energy it takes to split the water molecule? There is a reason why its not main stream and that reason is the cost of producing hydrogen. I can't believe how uneducated most of you hippies are.

  • You are right, using the standard Newtonian laws ( over 300 years old ) that do not take into account forces like The Casimir force and the entire world of quantum physics, which Newton had no knowledge of what so-ever, then it would not work. But this is now the 20th century and we are learning that the world of the very small works in ways that we were unaware of in the past.

  • @GSpotter63 Sorry not to sound like a total ass but this is the 21st century

  • That is why a small child can get a large man swinging very high in a playground swing set. Using feeble small pushes timed with the swinging, each little push adds to the previous push, push enough and he goes over the top. If the small pushes were out of sync with the swinger, many of the pushes would be wasted. Such is the difference between this and traditional water electrolysis.

  • Like I said, we do not CURRENTLY have an efficient method to produce hydrogen. Will we have some in the future, yes but at the moment we do not. By the way, we are in the 21st century...welcome.

  • Stanley Meyer already invented a way of overunity electrolysis.

  • So why bashing on something your intellect currently lacks!!! by the way blackholes are still hard to explain even in current quantum physics!!!

  • Nice one!!! You're my hero!!! eat my HHO exploding FARTS you HHO bashers!!!

  • thats just rediculous, you can see with your own eyes this working, there are many examples of people running there engines off hho (including myself) with great results, the end product HHO has more potential energy in it then the electricity used to split the molecule,

  • as far as "we do not CURRENTLY have an efficient method to produce hydrogen. Will we have some in the future, yes but at the moment we do not." well we gotta start somewhere! it doesn't just happen because its "the future" , its already started... thats why people like this bloke have had such success

  • and as far as this comment goes "I can't believe how uneducated most of you hippies are." well mate im a mechanical engineer with years of experience, and i am definitely not a hippie, i personally like this concept as is gives more power, smoother, way more economical, cleaner, quieter and when i pulled the heads off my car they were the cleanest i have ever seen off a car, no build up of carbon on exhaust valves or spark plug, extended oil life etc... there are so many benifits

  • Well good for you there buddy. I'm an engineer as well and I may not have the experience you do but if you have some magic method of producing hydrogen at costs comparable to oil refinement, I suggest you go ahead and get the wheels turning because you stand to make billions. I am not trying to argue the fact that hydrogen will make a great source of fuel.

  • By the way, they are working on better production methods and i'm sure in another 10 years, hydrogen will be a viable source of power. Of course hydrogen is going to change the world for the better but we need to be able to produce it to meet the worlds needs first. As an engineer, you should know that without low production costs, hydrogen will go nowhere.

  • fair enough mate, sorry if i sounded argumentative at all, i don't try to start fights on here, it goes nowhere..

  • mate the wheels have started turning, and to be honest faster then i first thought, people at home are making cells that are getting astonishing results, its making progress and i think it wont be long before kits are available off the shelf to retrofit most cars, you can only hope for the future!

  • I'm an engineer too!!!Are you asking for a Perpetual Machine Proof??? here's one you take for granted smart ass!!! Planet Earth's rotation!!!

  • lol ..lol...

  • Even if I had to refill my tank with water 5 times more often then gasoline it would still be 10 times cheaper. Tap Water = $0.03 per gal. ver Gas = $3.50 per gal.

  • Actually, that is more than 100 times cheaper

  • what temp does you cell max out at? do you cool you cell? and if so how, i dont see a cooler in the video.

    Thansk

    HHD

  • No specific cooling is used the cell max temp is around 60 Deg C.

  • what is the DCV pre cell?

    thanks

  • 120v ac or dc and are you using an electrolite

  • DC NaOH at <10%

  • Do you realize that you have enough HOH in that white jug in the middle to blow all of the equipment to kingdom come?

    BE CAREFULL PLEASE

  • Thank you for your concern, HOH is dangerous stuff where accidents can be fatal. Using a properly made water arrestor is critical when conducting any form of experiment. The device with the blue lid (left of screen) is such an arresting device and even this goes off with a bang!

  • Don't be silly. You must be pretty impressed by a little flammable gas.

  • Boy are you clueless:-(

  • Call me a skeptic but this test would be more convincing if there was no gas tank sitting right there on top of the motor. Just my $0.02.

  • You are a "skeptic" ;-)

  • Great Job. This is the first test I have seen where a motor has actually been ran for a useful time. If you used the generator to provide power for your cell you would be making history. Awesome video.

    Jack

  • Especially if they used a condenser manifold like a fridge to cool and recapture the exhaust back into the tank ;)

  • When using HHO, you should move the ingnition point of the engine earlier, since HHO is burning much faster than petrol. Otherwise the engine is loosing lot of power when the ingnition timing is not optimal for HHO.

  • Nice work. Are you useing the out put of the generator to supplt the 120V ??

  • No, power coming from mains.

  • If there is now power from the mains, where is it coming from?

    Very Impressive

  • The cell is running at 120V so that should give you a good idea. The engine does run continuously, until it is messed with or the testing is terminated. The video I have of the engine running goes for about an hour, but it is pretty boring just watching an engine run.

  • Boring video perhaps, but very exciting results. Keep up the good work!

  • cool stuff. So how many plates do you have in your cell (it looks BIG). Also are the plates the same size, 207 mm, as the ones posted on your website? Would be neat to see just how long this would run the generator. Just curious.

    Keep up the good work.

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