The Mark Steel Lectures-Karl Marx 3/3

[Voodoofreak35]

lol at 2:45.

[tenseman08]

i guess tony blair isn't mr steel's favourite person

[sicoticosandro]

People is imbecile. the class struggle continues, all that he said has happened, The socialist attempts of USSR and others are no different than the pathetic first democracy establish in greece, 200o years later the first attempts on democracy were succesful. for socialism is the same.. better attempts will happen, because people will no longer want to be exploited. Slaves were legal and normal centuries ago, to our sons maybe private property and employment will be as barbaric as that system.

[PutItAway101]

@sicoticosandro Uhh, no. You lot had your chance to try it, all you achieved is murdering 100 milllion people. Game over. No replay. No refund.

[sicoticosandro]

@PutItAway101 lol... and capitalism how many people has killed?? the problem with capitalist idiots is that they dont think they are part of history.. they think capitalism is something else... they dont think in perspective.. game over. no refund.

[forestpump]

the capitalists will be the first people to dig him up and suck his dead withered ck when tesco takes over everything.

[ianmc42]

Thanks for the upload coughsirup. Enjoyed that.

[PutItAway101]

Nice of mr steel to get all misty eyed about a dream that was actually a nightmare for a couple of billion people.

[DaKrazyKatt]

@PutItAway101 Jeez, your comments seem to be getting to me today. That "nightmare" you refer to has nothing to do with Marx's philosophy, hence when he saw a similar deal in france he said "if that is marxism then I am not a Marxist". Again, do some reading on a subject you wish to argue about, otherwise you come off as an uneducated shit stirring propangderist

[PutItAway101]

@DaKrazyKatt Amazing, an actual "useful idiot" for marxism alive and well in the year 2011! It's like seeing a cro-magnon man unfrozen from a glacier.

[jeevesbond]

@PutItAway101 How about addressing the point instead of throwing around insults?

[PutItAway101]

@jeevesbond There's no point to discuss. Up until the collapse of communism, left wing apologists almost universally held up these supposed socialist paradises as acheivements of Marx's thought put into practice, and ignored or denied the misery, repression, murder and torture as inventions of western propaganda. Only after it collapsed did you hear leftists suddenly start claiming that it wasn't actually Marxism after all. No sale. Too late to deny it now after decades of flattery.

[jeevesbond]

@PutItAway101 I agree many people on the left felt a need to defend Communism--as attempted by the USSR--when they should have been critical of it.

But that has absolutely nothing to do with what we were just talking about. It seems you're trying to deflect the argument away from the fact that you were being intellectually dishonest.

[DaKrazyKatt]

@PutItAway101 Woah, a modern day marxist, 'cause there aren't many of those around ^^

[PutItAway101]

I don't suppose he considered getting a job?

[theroadupward]

For a man known for the phrase "Workers of the world unite," he doesn't seem to have actually worked much, now does he? His family in abject poverty to the point that they can't afford a casket when the baby dies-and his wife has to beg money to buy a casket. Not impressed.

[almanacofsleep]

@theroadupward Well he never self identified as proletariat, plus he was spending most of his time writing his books.

[blackmichael75]

@theroadupward Intellectual and philosophical work is still work. 

[SahrT1]

Very interesting stuff

[Renegen1]

This show was one of the biggest riots in years. Good thing he also taught a bit.

[glewis163]

Marxism - the devil fools with the best laid plans

[cnaptakmockba]

BRILLIANT FUNNY AND SARCASTIC

[judas666iscariot]

in communism, i can go to the hospital and be treated

in capitalism, i cant go to the hospital cause i don't have money

now that is the difference between those two

[harataikiphilosopher]

wow, that is amazingly simplistic and not entirely accurate.

[jcaites]

wow, that is an amazingly simplistic and vague attack, coming from someone with "philosopher" in their username.

[rictorn]

this was made before marx's ideas were universaly acepted, which they prretty much have been now,

[utarian7]

I find this highly satirical... veiled with condescendingly lauding overtones.

[johnsammyanfal]

Blair didn't particularly espouse the theory of the 'third way' and he certainly did not invent it. That dubious distinction belonged to Anthony Giddens. There were many rationalisations during the New Labour era, including 'stakeholder society' and 'communitarian'. Essentially Blair was never interested in system or even domestic policy. The economy was effectively handed over to Brown, with disastrous consequences for UK PLC. If anything Blair was a Millenarian - a bit like Marx!

[1empathy]

@johnsammyanfal If by "millenarian" you mean smarmy git with no integrity, I agree.

[johnsammyanfal]

Steel's upbeat comic delivery could not be more misplaced. To seek out contrasts with Tony Blair is bizarre since the latter makes no claim to be a political theorist, revolutionary or even a socialist. Whatever Blair's faults he remains a committed family man; and whatever conflicts he may been instrumental in, pale into insignificance next to the violence of 20th century Communism. If to dream the impossible dream is to condemn others to an unworkable nightmare - then best stay awake!

[almanacofsleep]

@johnsammyanfal I think it was more the fact that Blair was the leader of our country during the making of this, hence why he's being critical of Blair. Besides not everyone agrees that the USSR was actually communist.

[heliotropezzz333]

@johnsammyanfal Blair espoused a theory called "The Third Way"

[carsanookdotcom]

Merci pour la education, la vulgarisation de la philosophie.

Bon travail!~

Dr John Carsanook

Kingdom of Thailand

[warriorprince1010]

Not sure what point these communist are making. What is the solution? They never give one.

[heliotropezzz333]

@warriorprince1010 The point he is making is that Marx is often misrepresented and misunderstood. Sadly no one has a solution. We all expect to have new things all the time now at the expense of the planet. Capitalism can only thrive by constantly growing but the planet's resources are finite. I see no solution. Maybe I'm overly pessimistic but I think we won't change until disaster strikes and it's too late to do anything about it.

[warriorprince1010]

@heliotropezzz333 Constantly growing using renewables is fine, coppice woods etc. It is the growing and freedom that communists hate, they are against personal choice and freedom.

[sicoticosandro]

@warriorprince1010 constant growing is killing the enviroment.. the constant growth it is as utopic as communism.. in fact more.. just wait... capitalism is predatory and unbalanced, the resources are limited.. it will fall sooner or later.. believe it and prepare yourself.

[warriorprince1010]

@sicoticosandro Communism is about the greed of the governments, and no growth means more poverty.

[1010011010is29a]

nude Marx in Stockings @ 9:12

[MrBillcale]

filthy letcherous thug

[kessmanbrum]

I will be voting BNP :D

[Kitt0000]

Every philosopher should eat at a homeless shelter at least once. No need to be homeless and its free.

[jnorth]

The most misunderstood man in history

[randy109]

Give me a comfortable apartment, well stocked pantry, large library, NO manual labor, a feeling of sorrow and empathy for anyone who doesn't have what I have and maybe THEN I'd be a Communist! Real world and Mark Steel are a good combo...

[tiarnan17]

can't believe i gave you a serious response on the other video.

dumb troll is dumb.

[randy109]

tiarnan- Even though my comment might seem somewhat flippant, it was more meant to represent, in a sarcastic way, the view than MANY people have of Marxism. Although flippant, it does somewhat represent MY feelings toward all the internet "communists". My view doesn't represent you any more than your feelings represent mine. Honor Labor, while remembering that Labor truly IS a commodity!

-Peace-

[ButherLi55ett]

Couldn't nab a score could I? HAHAHA

[adamscott]

The problem about the misunderstanding regarding Marxist communism is its poor application in Russia. The main aim of Marxism was to remove the need for things/the having complex which is so central in capitalism and replace it with being/doing.

[visakhs]

Pathbreaking Stuff!!!

[Geritak]

'... in contrast to those people who have forgotten how to dream.'

A very nice way of putting it, and a very good introduction to Marx's thinking. It's a pity he's been so corrupted since his death.

[SirHappyThe1st]

Funny and educational. Great upload.

[mdavid62]

Excellent. Reveals the natural rebel at the core of one of the most misunderstood people of all time.

[sergiolopezOU]

Wow! I am so glad I stumbled into this series!

Extraordinary stuff. I will watch every episode.

[commissar17]

Exscellent stuff -- both educational and bloody funny -- of the sort we've come to expect from Mark Steel!

[Nukem2343]

Karl marx is a cool guy. I wished I had a friend like him :D

[SentinelConvergence]

@Nukem2343 Fascinating man, but I'm not sure how keen I'd be to have a friend who constantly leeched off of me and got me to "father" his love child.

[kallador1]

Marx must be the most misunderstood man of the last few hundred years.

[DrMontague]

@kallador1 Misunderstood because  capitalism controls the ideology. Rupert Murdoch et al.

[SomethingSea1]

@DrMontague Eh, capitalism. As if. Statism, corporatism.

[DrMontague]

@SomethingSea1 please Amplify.

[SomethingSea1]

@DrMontague Capitalism, as per my understanding of it, is the thought of trade. I give you this, you give me that, if we're agreeing to the trade. I suppose I spoke out of turn, since I don't know what you necessarily meant when you said that. However, what I think you meant was that corporatism (statism) quelled rebellion. Corporatism is capitalism in the chains of The State.

[DrMontague]

@SomethingSea1 I suugest you wikipedia Marxism in order to understand the inner workings of capitalism.

[SomethingSea1]

@DrMontague Could you first explain the gist of what you mean? How is marxism related to capitalism? Bujuaze (sp) and the proletariat? But now we're talking about corporatism!

[BonesUk1980]

thanks fro posting.