@bellabelieber98 We are all born atheist. If you are raised by religious parents, you are almost always going to believe in whatever your parents believe in. But if you are raised as an atheist, you are also as likely to be an atheist. You only know what you are taught.
@Audiaux thats false existence is belief in Higher Power- in other words belief precedes doubt- its a positive thing- neutrality does not emote- we are all born believers as you need belief in Higher Power in order to exist- you need belief in order to learn the knowledge you have- belief precedes doubt therefore atheists simply deny their own nature- atheism is the path to suicide- stop spreading your evil belief system to children- you have no logic you are merely an atheist fool
"All humans have free will, and atheists choose to believe there is no God"
This is false. Neurobiology greatly influences whether someone believes in supernatural or not. There are parts of the brain that release dopamine/norepinephrine in response to ceremonial practices and worship of abstract/supernatural concepts. This rate of dopamine release varies amongst people. Those with higher rates tend to have either deep religious beliefs and/or drug addictions
"All humans have free will, and atheists choose to believe there is no God"
Human behavior/thought patterns are greatly influenced by our biology. Emotions and behavior once thought of as uniquely human, have been traced back to our primate relatives
One's neurobiology often determines if someone becomes psychopathic, schizophrenic, autistic, homosexual, hypersexual, greedy, prone to anger/violence, naive/gullible. People do not often rise above their nature
@Helptheherd Please share with me(THE EVIL ONE) a list of 'belief systems', as a biology teacher, that I would expose to children. This should be good. Also, while you are at it, please give your opinion on why all civilized, non-Theocratic gov school boards require the current biology curriculum that is taught in my class. That should be interesting too.
@Helptheherd Irony that I was telling you the story of Noah, and you say it's evil. Guess you worship an evil God - though atleast he doesn't ask people to sacrifice their children to him, now THAT would be really evil.. oh wait, he did that too.
Have you considered a more peaceful and loving God, like that of the Aztecs?
@Helptheherd Atheism is the truth, if your atheist your not living a lie. It's funny how most people nowadays are atheists and yet most people haven't commit suicide. Atheists don't believe in Satan, so how can it be evil?
@CounrtyGirl479 what world are you living in? most people are atheists? nope 90 percent of the people on this planet are believers- you must be talking about a different planet- atheism is the path to suicide- meaning true atheists commit suicide- you are not a true atheist
Most people in the first world/civilized society are not fundamental believers in mainstream religions. The more knowledge and technology a society has, the less they rely on religions.
Religion is a means of comfort, and this is why we find the highest incidence of theism in poverty stricken, poor, less educated regions.
The USA is a bit more theistic than other advanced countries because our science education is totally inadequate
@JnThreesixteen1 As for Alexander, there is some controversy about his existence. But there is evidence that suggests parts of what he's believed to have done actually happened. Can you say that about Jesus? And even if you could prove he existed, does that prove he is the son of god?
What does it matter how many copies there are of the Bible? Do you know how many copies of Harry Potter have been sold?
@JnThreesixteen1 Last time I cheched a circle was 2 dimensional, IE flat.
300 was a number I read somewhere. I think that was around the time the Roman Catholic church compiled the first Bible. This may be off though.
The reason people don't question the existence Caesar is because there are statues, government records, personal diaries, his face on coins etc. Jesus is historically irrelevant whereas the Caesar had a big impact on the world.
It would seem pointless arguing with any religious person. Their is no excuse for their being as ignorant and completely void of independent thought in this modern age. They are a breed to their own. What is concerning is how much longer are we as Atheists going to tolerate a modern world being guided by these morons. How much longer are we going to sit back content while these freaks, clinging to their ancient and barbaric traditions/beliefs and impose their crap on the world?
Oh wow. I`ve talked enough to atheists. I thought I was gonna leave a comment but.. lol these people are blocked. Giving absurd qualities to randomness. (white noise). What I don`t know is how these people don`t realize that they are wrong. But God created it this way yes. And Godfearingness makes people behave, realize positive/negative consequence of what they do. Ofcourse if these people had a mind, neg/post consq. of their "whitenoise universe" would be just as "valid". Not coherent ppl.
"What I don`t know is how these people don`t realize that they are wrong"
and that, my theist droog, is why you fail.
"Godfearingness makes people behave"
no it doesn't, common sense makes people behave.
Let's just clarify: the only thing stopping you from raping a 3 year old with a buzzing chainsaw is because you're scared of your god, not because you know it's fundamentally fucked up, like anyone else would? Are you serious?
Seems everyone who is an atheist always says that, why did God make me an atheist.What a dismissal of responsibility for your choice in choosing Him or choosing yourself. If He isn't your God, something else in your life will be, typically yourself first.
"Seems everyone who is an atheist always says..why did God make me an atheist"
your problem is not in what atheists say, but your inability to understand that - if you invoke an all-knowing, all powerful creator, then you have just EXCLUDED the possibility of free will.
It's a simple logical process - an all knowing creator knows exactly the ramification of any "tweak" he might make in your creation, and how that impacts your choices.
@TheRealityofNature I find anytime I write something atheist either call me vile names or question my intelligence, naturally, you don't disappoint.I am never suprised at "scholars" trying to understand free will from an omnipotent God, an entity that is infinite and our fininte minds.Because you say it can't be true then it isn't, who is god now?This is just one arguement you touch on which even if you heard the other side, I doubt you would even hear, you've already convinced yourself.
That "every time" you write something, someone calls into question your intelligence SHOULD tell you something... why hasn't it? At a punt, it probably suggests what you say, lacks intelligence.
ugh. okay, I follow a logical process and apparently I'm making a claim to be god? absurd. Entirely.
I am pointing out that the concept of an all-knowing and all-powerful creator AND free will are logically mutually exclusive. It' math, guy, not pretending to be god.
@JnThreesixteen1 It's not a choice to be atheist. I can't simply start believing in God bacause I want to. Since I wasn't brought up to believe in God, the people who believe in him seem as deluded to me, as the people who believed in Zeus or Thor do to you. Could you make a choice to start believing in Zeus?
@gellendar420 There is some semblance of truth to what you say,I would find a mature Christian to discuss the "elect".
I was a stauch atheist for 32 years saying the same things you say and I studied everything I could about it, the validity of the Bible, philosophy, logic, science anthropology and archaeology.I couldn't get past the proof or the cosmological, teleological arguments.As a medical pract and engineer, the human cell/DNA strand can't be overlooked.My daughter created and born.
"I studied everything I could about it, the validity of the Bible, philosophy, logic, science anthropology and archaeology."
demonstrably then - you could not find much at all about it; philosophically, it's redundant. Logically, it's a catastrophe., Scientifically a joke, anthropologically - nothing unique.
I can quickly show you why the cosmological & teleological arguments are logically flawed - but you've already indicated your inability to grasp logic.
@gellendar420 Zeus&Thor R made up fiction, the Bible is 99% accurate by atheist textural critics that for hundreds of years have tried to disprove&can't.They say there R many errors but theyR only stylist changes.If we throw out eyewitness testimony from a substantiated book,then we have no basis for our courts today.I'll ask what some1 asked me,put as much time and effort 4 1 year to prove there is a God,the Bible is accurate& Christ is who He said He was,U owe that2 Urself 2B fair4 both sides
@UberREDKitteh I realize you might think I am in the minority in thinking the Bible is accurate but if you listen to Respected scholars then they can substantiate. Time Magazine on several occasion published articles of the authenticity.If you are going to say it isn't, then you better have some proof, that no one else has come up with.
"you might think I am in the minority in thinking the Bible is accurate "
your mistake is identifying a few truths in the bible, and assuming the ENTIRE bible is correct. That's wrong - especially when we can reasonably prove there are lies and fabrications in the bible. The story "peter pan" also contains elements of truth, yet presumably you don't contend children can fly.
You're in the minority because you're demonstrably factually & logically wrong.
They can substantiate that certain figures existed. For example, a person named Jesus may have existed. However, you can't substantiate the supernatural events which most of the bible hinges upon. This is where people have issues with the bible.
@UberREDKitteh im sorry dude. I didnt read that correctlty. I read your comments and im 100 percent in agreement with what your saying. Im athiest as well. I wast trying to reply to the ideot who was claiming that everything in the bible is correct. Which we have already proved is not thr case. So if the book of "truth" has one lie in it then its not the book of truth
@JnThreesixteen1 99% accurate? It says the Earth is flat and the moon is made of light. Wouldn't the guy who made them know this?
To follow your argument about eyewitness testimony; considering stories about Jesus were passes down by word of mouth for 300 years before ever being written down they'd be classified as hearsay at best. Which, in case you didn't know, is inadmissable in courts today even if the gap is only one person as opposed to the 300 years in this case.
gellendar Is.40:22 "circle of earth".Of course God knows what He created,whether the Greek language could encompass.
Not sure where you get 300 when most would say 30-70 years.Compared to Alexander the Great's 1200 years or Caesar's 950 years, that is hot off the press!!But, not one questions them, why?There isn't even enough copies of Aristotle(400) or Plato(550) to substantiate they existed.There are over 25,000 copies of the Bible! What more do you need man?
@gellendar420 To this day I listen to atheist & their arguements b/c I can't believe it something that is not real,Christians don't have blind faith like most people think.Take care and Godspeed
faith is blind, it's the fundamental description. Faith is also synonymous with being illogical. Faith, by defintion, is a logical fallacy.
I know you're not a fan of logic, and youre probably going to whimper at me pointing out you're being illogical - but thems are the facts guy - my opinion has nothing to do with it.
Without the 99% incomplete fossil record creation hypothesis has nothing
Without the fossil record evolution theory still has dozens of other fields relating to genetics and observations of species and their geographic distribution that independently support it
Creationists fail to show the chemistry that says abiogenesis can't happen, while scientists have shown short ribozymes/RNA strands can fold over on themselves and act like enzymes for replicating other RNA strands (first step to life)
@confettibrains Creationists need to take a long hard look at virions and prions which effectively blur the line between organic molecules and what we would consider to be "alive".
Occam's razor tells us a supernatural entity has far more impossibilities and implications than a system of infinite energy that is governed by random laws of physics or quantum fluctuations, or newtonian determinism where every possible position of any atomic particle anywhere in space already exists in a 4th dimension
after u shaved u might consider God to represent the energy, e.g. the big electron. do not now why u want it to be supernatural and why u talk about random laws of physics.
"u might consider God to represent the energy, e.g. the big electron. do not now why u want it to be supernatural and why u talk about random laws of physics"
I have considered it, and it makes no sense no matter how you look at it. The only way it could make sense is with childhood naivety, the same way Santa and the Easter Bunny made "sense"
God could not be the energy, because then God wouldn't have consciousness. Intelligence needs an organized medium for exchange
The 3 forces in our universe, the weak force, the strong force and the force of gravity, were actually just one force which broke down into 3 and taking on random values of each force. This could be why the strong nuclear force is so much stronger than the gravity force, because it took that strength into its own. In another universe, gravity could have inherited more strength and so atoms would not be bonded, but instead grouped by gravity
When will religious people realize that atheists don't care whether or not you believe in god or religion. We just don't like you using religion to justify treating people who are different in an inferior way. Atheists look at all people, even religious people, equally.
"If man was created from gods perfect image, does god shit?Just curious.... there is a terribly racist joke somewhere in here."
Yes, technically God would shit since he experiences human bodily needs (such as the need to rest on a throne)
The first humans were black-skinned (determined by molecular phylogenetics and biogeography), and since "man b'tzellem Elohim" = "man made in physical appearance of God," this means God is a black man with supernatural powers
I've wondered, who the hell created gods in the first place? Was it like two cavemen? cause one of the others must have said like: what you're joking right? You actually think a man is sitting on his cloud making it rain and throwing lightning bolts at your ass?
They say people were just as smart 5000 years ago or something but I think that's bullcrap, they must have had SOME brain functions missing. Then again some people DO still believe in an angry superbeing so I may be wrong.
@bramlegend Richard Dawkins proposes that explaining observed events (the sun, rain, natural disasters, etc) with supernatural forces is because our brain is inherently gullible when we are young. Nature selected for it because it allowed adults to communicate information (i.e., danger) and the kids would simply listen rather than test it for themselves (and presumably die). Pair that with our brain's tendency to create stories (TED talk on that somewhere) and you birth religion.
if you want to base your atheism on some facts and understand the reasons for our ability to observe the exception you better read Konrad Lorenz and don't waste your time on dawkins. Lorenz explained things far better because he was a real scientist.
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If god created humans, why did he make them susceptible to illness? Why make humans capable of having cancer or aids. If god had the power to create the universe and the billions and billions of stars and planets some of which are thousands of times bigger than our own sun then surely he's capable of making humans unsusceptible to illness? If your answer is that he is testing us or punishing us then this makes god sadistic and if I was to inflict the same pain that he has i'd be locked up.
@berealisticdemandthe And if i was to be locked up by inflicting the same pain and misery that god has then it makes a mockery of christian claims that we get our morals from god.
high you bright spark. U do not need to reply to your own comments. If you were to think logically about it you would ask why he makes living creatures die in the first place. How they die is of minor importance unless it involves prolonged physical pain. Sure u can come up with a better idea then death, but perhaps the biological life is not the be all and end all you think it to be and there is an everlasting life to be had, just not as u understand it
@berealisticdemandthe Perhaps you should try reading the bible. It explains these things VERY clearly. In fact, there's a good chance you'll find more answers in the bible then you will ever get from science. I know; I was once an atheist, big bang, natural selection and evolution believer. I even studied those subjects for many years.
"In fact, there's a good chance you'll find more answers in the bible then you will ever get from science"
LOL! Ok. Stop using all the technology science has bestowed you, then. Or else stop talking shit about the community which has given you the technology to do so
"I even studied those subjects for many years"
Bullshit. Christians love to say they got their faith after studying science, but really that's just BS so they don't look like a bunch of close-minded idiots
So can you explain the logic of this to me? You believe humans require a creator because of our complexity (really just your inability to understand chemical affinity), yet a supernatural entity who PHYSICALLY LOOKS like a male human, requires no creator for himself? Where is the logic in saying a God looks like his own creation? How does a supernatural male human appear?
And, since the first homo sapiens were black-skinned, does this mean God is a supernatural black man?
Also, can you explain facts such as shared ERV insertions between distinct but related species, 100% accurate predictions made by molecular phylogenetics, biogeography (where species are found in strata and locations at predicted evolutionary origins), fusion of 2 ape chromosomes into 1 human chromosome, human embryonic stages that show vestigial development as amphibians, or why ALL living species today can be traced back to a predecessor, NO completely novel organisms?
@confettibrains Honestly, I have studied them. I was completely fascinated with the science behind evolution. I still love science, but I found the flaws in evolution, big bang, etc. If you watch documentaries on it, you will hear the scientists say that they have no factual proof to back up their THEORIES. They keep digging for the missing link, but lie to get grants when they say they finally found something. Look outside your window, if evolution were real you should see
"I still love science, but I found the flaws in evolution, big bang, etc"
I've heard this from other people, when I ask to see their sources I always get non-peer reviewed papers and non-scientific opinions and biased documentaries like whatever that one was from Ben Stein.
Show me any well-founded rebuttal to evolution theory that ISN'T from a religious person (due to confirmation bias and distortion of evidence)
Can you please explain facts such as shared ERV insertions between distinct but related species, accurate predictions made by molecular phylogenetics, biogeography (why species are found in strata and locations at predicted evolutionary origins), fusion of 2 ape chromosomes into 1 human chromosome, human embryonic stages that show vestigial development as amphibians, or why all living species today can be traced back to an ancestor, w/ no genetically unique organisms?
@confettibrains "Can you please explain facts such as shared ERV insertions between distinct but related species" I can't say I have studied endogenous retroviruses or even human endogenous retroviruses. It's just another string of theories with no factual evidence to prove your evolution theory. Key word: theory. Can you show me lab experiments to prove that ERVS or HERVS can cause large scale evolution? No.
"It's just another string of theories with no factual evidence to prove your evolution theory. Key word: theory. Can you show me lab experiments to prove that ERVS or HERVS can cause large scale evolution? No"
Um, yes there are many papers on ERV insertions. These are not hypotheses, or theories, they are FACTS that we can fit into existing theories. So how would YOU explain viruses inserting their genome in the SAME loci for distinct (but predictably related) species?
Missing link for what? Human ancestral species are well documented transitions, as are whales (they have at least 20 transitional species last I checked).
Keep in mind the fossil record is over 99% incomplete, and incomplete data is not grounds for any conclusions. The fact is, they have found transitions, just not for each of the 1 billion species to ever live (we only have 200 million fossils total, most are marine animals)
"Look outside your window, if evolution were real you should see different stages of the evolution process walking around you right now"
There are. All the birds are related to one another, each bird you see is a transition.
We do see animals intermediate between stages. No, the earlier stages don't always die off, they just go a separate way and speciate in their own unique style (but still sharing a general form, as in birds)
Oh, did you? Then the Nobel Prize awaits you, and worldwide fame and wealth. You will be as celebrated as Darwin! All you have to do is document your flaws with the evidence, and bingo! What? You have no evidence? Only gullible crap from creationists websites? Ho ho! No Nobel Prize for you! Funny, that!
@Oldtinear You're a funny one. Do fossils of extinct creatures prove your evolution theory? Perhaps lucy can prove it? Some of "her" bones were found large distances away from the initial find. Not to mention the huge depth discrepancies. The scientist that found these bones openly admitted this during a conference. I shouldn't have to provide you with evidence to disprove evolution. Our scientists do this on a regular basis.
@5570933zQ Also, regarding Lucy, I find it hilarious that the bones they found are severely corroded. It's not even remotely close to a full skeleton. They have to "reconstruct" the whole thing to prove their evidence. Wake up already.
@5570933zQ 'Do fossils of extinct creatures prove your evolution theory?'
Absolutely! We have hundreds of thousands of fossils from all over the world, and every month brings thousands more. The world being what it is, with plate movements and erosion, digging up stuff millions of years old throws up the occasional odd fossil in an unexpected position. Such is life. YOU ignore the thousands of fossils which fit evolution perfectly, and focus obsessively on the odd ones. Perverse!
@Oldtinear "YOU ignore the thousands of fossils which fit evolution perfectly" No I don't. I've seen far more fossils of extinct species. I focus on Lucy, Neanderthal man, etc because they are the most accepted specimen. People tend to focus on the homo genus because they are supposedly our closest ancestors. Anyways, the ocean fossils are usually the most preserved. Again, they lack evidence of intermediate evolution stages despite the overwhelming amount of them.
"I hate to repeat myself, so I think I'm done with this debate. I'll be exiting, stage right"
Wow, can't even defend why you disagree with evolution. I bet you're one of those people who, when asked why they believe something, they say "oh, i dunno, just cuzzzzz...."
So, it seems to me your disbelief in evolution is not due to a lack of evidence, but because it conflicts your preconceived notions from your religion.
@5570933zQ 'they are proof of an intelligent designer'
Mate, for you, ANYTHING is 'proof' of a designer. But anything which looks a bit odd for a loving, all-knowing designer - such as rabies, malaria, earthquakes, back pain, and so on, you just ignore, or come up with a tale saying God created the world & us, but the evils of the world are OUR fault!
@Oldtinear "God created the world & us" Correct. " evils of the world are OUR fault!" Yep. "back pain" Boy, I sure know this one. Joking aside... there is plenty of edification in the bible for everything you said, but I'll leave that to you. God is more concerned about your spiritual body then the flesh. By accepting Jesus as your savior, repenting of your sins and following God's word, you dawn an incorruptible spiritual body in the eternity. It's your choice to accept or decline.
@confettibrains different stages of the evolution process walking around you right now. Did the earlier stages just die off? Has evolution all of a sudden found perfection and decided to stop? The most important question: How did nothing become something? I think it takes quite a bit of faith to believe something like that... so stop ridiculing those of us that believe in God.
Essentially it takes chemical affinity at first, then binding into structures that can provide mechanical function. There exists RNA strands like hammerhead ribozymes that self-cleave or can act as protein enzymes to help reproduce another RNA strand. There are several more variations of RNA strands that possess the ability to fold over on themselves into intricate shapes to act as catalysts and enzymes for self-replication (polymerase)
^ I just assumed you were referring to life there, but now that I think about it you probably were talking about the big bang, so I'll address that too
The big bang didn't come from nothing, it existed as a singularity. No energy was created during the big bang, it was only produced. The big bang is a well supported theory, and the observations we make (CMB, ambient temp of space, rate of expansion) all coincide w/ math predictions made prior
@berealisticdemandthe The answers you'll probably get are "We were made susceptible after Adam and Eve were cast out of Eden as part of their/our punishment" and "You can't judge God by human standards". Stuff along those lines.
@xXcantbfadedXx By describing him as a "British cock sucker" i assume that you're a racist, xenophobic, relgious, hate filled, let's piss on some dead bodies kind of American. Get your head out of your ass and educate yourself.
@PorkFrog I'M not denying that a lot of atheists rant as well.But thats also because in terms of the subject,us atheists are a minority and trust me it gets really pissing off when you're abused from every side just because you have a different point of view.
And yeah i dont read alot of the comments on YT.Its always one against the other,fight fight fight.
And you're right,the acrimony surrounding it is infact the main attraction.
Why the fuck do god believers have a problem with anyone and everyone who is an atheist?Do we atheists keep calling you people names and abusing you just because you believe?Grow up and accept different point of views.Stop being narrow minded for FFS.You believe,we dont.Lets respect each other's opinions instead of saying atheists are dumb and stupid.
And for people saying everyone needs something to believe in,then i'd rather believe someone i can see and feel the presence of(living being)
@suhaas080309 ''Do we atheists keep calling you people names and abusing you just because you believe?''
can't say about 'real life' because such a thing generally doesn't come up, but on YT? you must not read here much I figure, since you ask the question..
an atheist once told me to suck my God's dick on here
but the acrimony surrounding the subject is one of its attractions
@pastohh Lol do a quick google search for "Ricky gervais 2012". Dude is 50 and in better shape than most people will be all their life. Also, u mad even a comedian knows your stone age book is nonsense?
I can assure you even though im only 14, im not an idiot, I can say I truly don't understand why you're so threatened/ call it what you want, by my belief or other's in God. and if you were to make an attempt to advertise atheism, you wouldn't be doing a good job, you're just consistently using your "amaziiiiiing" logic to disprove things you're not even familiar with.. so what's your goal in this? cause provoking conversion certainly can't be it lol
Go Ricky,there is no devil and there is no god FACT and even a few of you religious types are finally realizing that Atheists are not angry people but merely those in touch with reality.:-)
Are you just trolling, or are you genuiniely ignorant about what atheism is? Here's a tip, despite the ongoing ranting and trolling on intellectual giants like porky et al. Atheism is simply not a belief, there is no "belief" involved.
I really don't understand why people get so adamant about this stupid mistake, it actually completely confuses me. It's no more a belief than not-collecting stamps is a hobby.
We use 'belief' to mean anything we hold to be true. I say 'I believe pruning my roses will produce more flowers'. In this case, based on evidence/experience, belief means a conclusion. While a believer saying 'I believe God exists in three parts', is taliking about faith - belief which is not evidence-based.
Because there is no evidence, atheists believe/conclude God does not exist.
@TheRealityofNature 'Because there is no evidence for his existence, atheists believe/conclude God does not exist'
You say you are an atheist, but say this statement is nonsensical. You say your atheism is not a belief. OK - go for it - express your views on the existence of God without using the words, 'I believe'
Secondly, I know of no atheist who rules out the possibility of God. If evidence such as an angel-filled charriot descending on my garden emerged, I would convert
"express your views on the existence of God without using the words, 'I believe'"
I KNOW there is no intelligent proof for the existence of a god, thus it is illogical to conclude one exists.
I don't HAVE a belief. I follow the evidence, I follow logic. I KNOW logic works, the evidence is here. I DON'T know it's the "best" tool that exists, but it is the best tool we have available.
I don't need to "believe" the sky is blue on a sunny day either. it is, regardless.
"Because there is no evidence, atheists believe/conclude God does not exist"
I'm an atheist, and this is not a conclusion I make. why? because it's nonsensical. I'll agree it's more reasonable, but it's nonetheless, not a logical conclusion.
You know atheism has many flavours: dawkins for example, is a weak atheist, as am I - he does not rule out the possibilty of a god. nor did Carl sagan, hawkings, etc.
Your position is it's strong atheism - a belief, and illogical.
"say 'I believe pruning my roses will produce more flowers'. ... belief means a conclusion"
That your roses produce more flowers after pruning is a logically-inducted assertion. It's not something you hold as absolute truth. Theists DO hold their god's existence as absolute truth. A theist interprets "belief" as "assertion of absolute fact" .
"atheists believe/conclude God does not exist"
No, they suppose as reasonable, one does not. there's a lot of unspoken language.
@TheRealityofNature I said, 'We use 'belief' to mean anything we hold to be true'
You called me nonsensical, and stated 'Theists hold their god's existence as absolute truth.' These look exactly the same to me. I don't see any difference between believing something to be true and believing it to be absolutely true.
You shied away from my challenge, 'express your views on the existence of God without using the words, 'I believe'. Funny that!
@fourteatwo 'theists think that God exists whilst atheists-if they use their brain- think that God does not exist'
Take our the sneer at atheists, and I agree with you. But theist believe God exists despite there being no evidence for it - their belief is faith-based, not evidence-based. Whereas atheists base their belief that God does not exist on the fact that there is no evidence while you would reasonably expect some. Their belief is evidence-based.
I would have thought take the existence of the creation as evidence of a creator as I define God as the origin of the universe. Atheists can not deny the existence of the universe so they can not argue the no existence of God based on the absence of evidence for god but an alternative of the origin of the universe. Our current knowledge suggests that it had a beginning. Now can you please explain what evidence you have.
@fourteatwo 'Our current knowledge suggests that the universe had a beginning'
It began with the Big Bang, but at that time energy/matter already existed - after the BB it expanded. There is no evidence that there was a time when matter did not exist, or that it was subject to a process describable as creation.
'I define God as the origin of the universe'
You define a set as containing beings with the attribute of creating the universe. Great! Now show that this set is not empty!
So you believe in an infinite universe not created but allways existing. I guess you have as much evidence of that as I have. I actually thought there might have been energy, i.e. God that turned into matter or as Carlin said, the big electron. Now the philosophical question is if that cration had a purpose. If not that you have no purpose either or where would that purpose come from?
@fourteatwo 'you believe in an infinite universe not created but always existing.'
Nope. The universe is big and expanding, but not infinite.There is no evidence it was 'created'
'I guess you have as much evidence of that as I have'
Nope. The universe is self-evidently here. I do not need to provide evidence that it is. You claim that there was a time when the universe was not here. You have no evidence for this claim
By the way, did God need creating? If so, who by? If not, why not?
you can not have it both ways it either was created or it allways existed thus is infinite. Now be it as it is, what does your worldview then tell you about your purpose.
@fourteatwo ''you believe in an infinite universe not created but always existing.'
I thought you meant infinite in size rather than time.
Time is funny - it is not as simple as you think intuitively. Einstein showed that speed and gravity affect time. Many scientists believe that time started with the Big Bang. Yes this sounds odd, but time stops under huge gravitational force.
But go for it - if you think time stretches back infinitely, show us your evidence for this view.
Show us time had a beginning than. Thought this was one of the philosophical things in worldviews. Guess the concept of infinity was not apparent when people stated to think about God. They even had truoble to imagine the timescale of the earth history so they called it six days and I guess it is beyond our capabilities to settle that
@fourteatwo My view is that energy/matter exist now, and have since the beginning of time
Yours is that if you go back far enough in time, matter vanishes. A fabulously-powerful invisible human-lookalike being exists with the power to create universes. If you continue to go back in time, you never reach a point where this being did not exist
My view is weak on the start of time. I admit there is stuff we do not know. Yours requires fabulous beings and the destruction of the universe.
why do i have to think of a human lookalike God and why would I have to believe in infinite regression? Just because u belive so?
Indeed if it all existed since the beginning of time, what was there before the beginning of time? why are u afraid of imagening a pont of creation? call the cause the big eletron if that helps u.
do u think u have an obligation to look after others and if so why, because if u do the spirit is with u anyhow
@fourteatwo 'you can not have it both ways it either was created or it allways existed'
Your error is this: intuitively you feel that matter cannot always have existed. Therefore you invent a creator to explain it. But that solves nothing. Now you have a 'creator' to explain - if things cannot just exist for all time, then the creator is something that gives you the same problem as matter - where did the creator come from? Inventing a creator just pushes the 'problem' back a level.
"Our current knowledge suggests that it had a beginning"
Our current knowledge suggests there is no way to subvert infinite regress even when an event occurs outside of spacetime and spacial dimensions, therefore there is no system of logic where supernatural entities are plausible
Our universe could be a closed-system that recycles every 10^100 years ad infinitum in a "big crunch" The one before ours may not have had physics sustainable for life and no one would know
@Tindting i beg to differ, look at the Buddhist teachings, study it in depth, and u will get what hell is on earth XD, fact is not ultimate truth, BTW i have not had someone yet explain to me what logic is where it comes from, so i propose a challenge (friendly challenge, im not attacking any beliefs, just want a solid argument for once) (BTW i know where it comes from, a test maybe then, got there through poetry XD)
Your guys argument is pointless, everyone who believes in god is trying to shove your religion down the people who don't believes throat. It's there choice to believe or not to believe..... That said i do have to ask how people who don't believe explain how we are here at this moment, how we have been here for years and how thousands of other animals got here?
"That said i do have to ask how people who don't believe explain how we are here at this moment, how we have been here for years and how thousands of other animals got here? "
Generally, we don't try to explain things as fact, we can't prove - this is applying logic, theist are very bad at using logic.
However, it is ALSO logical to follow the evidence, which points to things like evolution, planetary formation, and so on.
@Ecocide112 Jesus himself wasn't religious. He taught about the kingdom of god, which isn't a religion. It is a kingdom. With God being the king of his territory (Earth and the universe) and the kingdom's citizens (people) obeying his rule; not members of a church/religion. A kingdom is a government. And the issues in the bible that Jesus had were not religious issues. They were political issues. And politics are part of a government. The kingdom he talks of.
but I fully respect others beliefs as well.. Maybe once we do begin to understand each other's beliefs than maybe we will finally begin to change/manipulate this world, riding it of hate, selfishness,racism,RELIGION, and just obtainig hope and understanding for all humans. As for the "christians" who shove their beliefs towards others, while living an entirely contradicting life and judging others, I apoligize, "christians" such as myself exists, and are only growing in numbers.. Jesus>religion
@MrMwakajumba So wait, i dont fully understand. you say you believe in jesus and god, but not religion? How is that not religious? Do you believe there is a heaven and a hell and god created the world and if you dont follow his rules you will go to hell?
@Ecocide112 Well first of all, I believe that there are a lot of things that i'll never understand, but I certainly accept that fact. And having a relationship with Jesus is much different than following a religion, we "christians" have basically had wrong for so many years, and now(finally) we're in the midst of understanding God's true nature, the new testament portrays how Jesus simply came to serve and love. That's how I carry myself, and please don't think im trying to preach cause im not.
"we're in the midst of understanding God's true nature, the new testament portrays how ..."
I see, so your particular cult dismisses the OT completely? interesting.
well, of course you don't. to imply you do is just heresy.
Would you mind explaining to me why your worship of JC is not violating the 1st commandment? - is it that you can pick and choose which manifestation of god you "like" and pretend the rest never existed?
@TheRealityofNature its a choice not a rejection, for if one were to reject his brother, and in his absence pick another, would that man still not be his brother, and the other, just a pick of the bunch, for one cannot dismiss any other, nor can he decide who was whom as of birth, tis neither his will nor hi right, to say another is yet to come, or has already been, to pick a few words, and to answer them as only what they are, is to ignore the depth, and what they may hold.
nope. rejection. I reject as valid, unsubstantiated claims to the existence of an unprovable and mythical god.
I don't "choose" logic any more than I chooose math. I "choose" to apply logic, because if we don't use logic, then we're reduced to meaningless babble.... funny that.
@TheRealityofNature are u seriously that much of an ignorant cherry picker, words on themselves mean nothing when taken from a verse can mean anything from a insult to a compliment, logic is a result of the creative mind, XD it derives from the irrational, next time actually read what i say instead of answering a few words, XD, i never claimed god to be real now did i , so i suggest u actually learn to interpret words and not the amateur cherry picking technique XD
perhaps, but it's also a tool, like math, that works.
you don't get to define math. you also don't get to define logic. it's already defined for you.
If you don't want to be logical, fine, the conversation is over - I can listen to my 2 year old niece if I want to listen to meaningless, logic-less babble.
@TheRealityofNature plus the most wise men on earth have been talking in illogical ways for centuries "funny that", logic in itself wont solve the math problem for u its the creative side of ur mind that actually lets u understand the problem
@TheRealityofNature u really are hoggishly ignorant cherry picker, actually understand what i say as a whole verse, the least understood ppl are : Socrates, Aristotle, Plato, Einstein, and many more, i see the results but, any math problem has many if not infinite ways of being solved, more proving that logic comes from the irrational, logic in itself wont solve the problem since, u need to use and rearrange functions in such a way that they are as simple as possible to solve
if you like, but how about you give me the names I asked for anyhow?
"any math problem has many if not infinite ways of being solved,"
yes, and ALL of them adhere to strict rules. Infinite ways of doing things, it doesn't mean ANY way of doing it is appropriate.
You actually agreed with me: "u need to use and rearrange functions in such a way.." i.e. there are "correct" ways of applying math and logic, and there are INCORRECT ways of doing it.
@TheRealityofNature AGAIN U USE SINGLE VERSES WHICH ARE NOT INDIVIDUAL IDEAs, XD, i gave u the names XD either learn to read, or stop cherry picking, appropriate ways of doing things is of no importance, and my quote continues, "u need to use and rearrange functions in such a way that they are easiest to solve"
no one is falling for discrimination of the idea by the pick of the words, i will give u the names again: SOCRATES< ARISTOTLE< PLATO< EINSTEIN, ETC. i will continue
God doesn't make anyone an atheist. All humans have free will, and atheists choose to believe there is no God.
bellabelieber98 13 hours ago
@bellabelieber98 We are all born atheist. If you are raised by religious parents, you are almost always going to believe in whatever your parents believe in. But if you are raised as an atheist, you are also as likely to be an atheist. You only know what you are taught.
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@Audiaux thats false existence is belief in Higher Power- in other words belief precedes doubt- its a positive thing- neutrality does not emote- we are all born believers as you need belief in Higher Power in order to exist- you need belief in order to learn the knowledge you have- belief precedes doubt therefore atheists simply deny their own nature- atheism is the path to suicide- stop spreading your evil belief system to children- you have no logic you are merely an atheist fool
God bless
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@bellabelieber98
"All humans have free will, and atheists choose to believe there is no God"
This is false. Neurobiology greatly influences whether someone believes in supernatural or not. There are parts of the brain that release dopamine/norepinephrine in response to ceremonial practices and worship of abstract/supernatural concepts. This rate of dopamine release varies amongst people. Those with higher rates tend to have either deep religious beliefs and/or drug addictions
confettibrains 5 hours ago
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@bellabelieber98
"All humans have free will, and atheists choose to believe there is no God"
Human behavior/thought patterns are greatly influenced by our biology. Emotions and behavior once thought of as uniquely human, have been traced back to our primate relatives
One's neurobiology often determines if someone becomes psychopathic, schizophrenic, autistic, homosexual, hypersexual, greedy, prone to anger/violence, naive/gullible. People do not often rise above their nature
confettibrains 5 hours ago
Best part "If there is a god.... why did he make me an atheist? "
pixelsblack 14 hours ago
It's sad to think that I ll have to live in the world that is full of believing fuks
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atheism is evil
Helptheherd 3 days ago
@Helptheherd Care to expound on that thought? I would love to know how that works. Not believing in imaginary friends is evil?
saxmanchiro 3 days ago 2
@saxmanchiro try the fact that you spread evil belief systems to children
God bless
Helptheherd 3 days ago
@Helptheherd trollol
1NSHAME 3 days ago
@1NSHAME atheist
Helptheherd 3 days ago
@Helptheherd Please share with me(THE EVIL ONE) a list of 'belief systems', as a biology teacher, that I would expose to children. This should be good. Also, while you are at it, please give your opinion on why all civilized, non-Theocratic gov school boards require the current biology curriculum that is taught in my class. That should be interesting too.
saxmanchiro 3 days ago
@Helptheherd evil beliefs.. yes atheists tell children the story about how drowning all but 2 people is normal and acceptable behaviour.
neverfearchrisishere 2 days ago
@neverfearchrisishere absolutely- atheism is the path to suicide- atheism is evil
God bless
Helptheherd 1 day ago
@Helptheherd absolutely- christianity is the path to suicide- christianity is evil
God bless
MobiusCoin 1 day ago
@MobiusCoin go find someone else to troll
God bless
Helptheherd 1 day ago
@Helptheherd The irony
God bless
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@Helptheherd Shush now
cahillgreg 1 day ago
@Helptheherd Irony that I was telling you the story of Noah, and you say it's evil. Guess you worship an evil God - though atleast he doesn't ask people to sacrifice their children to him, now THAT would be really evil.. oh wait, he did that too.
Have you considered a more peaceful and loving God, like that of the Aztecs?
neverfearchrisishere 1 day ago
@Helptheherd Atheism is the truth, if your atheist your not living a lie. It's funny how most people nowadays are atheists and yet most people haven't commit suicide. Atheists don't believe in Satan, so how can it be evil?
CounrtyGirl479 13 hours ago
@CounrtyGirl479 what world are you living in? most people are atheists? nope 90 percent of the people on this planet are believers- you must be talking about a different planet- atheism is the path to suicide- meaning true atheists commit suicide- you are not a true atheist
God bless
Helptheherd 10 hours ago
@Helptheherd
"most people are atheists?"
Most people in the first world/civilized society are not fundamental believers in mainstream religions. The more knowledge and technology a society has, the less they rely on religions.
Religion is a means of comfort, and this is why we find the highest incidence of theism in poverty stricken, poor, less educated regions.
The USA is a bit more theistic than other advanced countries because our science education is totally inadequate
confettibrains 6 hours ago
@Helptheherd
"meaning true atheists commit suicide"
Suicide, divorce rates, pedophilia/child molestation, and rate of crime is higher for theists (adjusted proportionally).
confettibrains 6 hours ago
@neverfearchrisishere That sounds like my bed time stories, good times
mikeymikemikey1 1 day ago
@Helptheherd
Ahahahahha.
billybobjoeftw 2 days ago
@JnThreesixteen1 As for Alexander, there is some controversy about his existence. But there is evidence that suggests parts of what he's believed to have done actually happened. Can you say that about Jesus? And even if you could prove he existed, does that prove he is the son of god?
What does it matter how many copies there are of the Bible? Do you know how many copies of Harry Potter have been sold?
gellendar420 4 days ago 2
@JnThreesixteen1 Last time I cheched a circle was 2 dimensional, IE flat.
300 was a number I read somewhere. I think that was around the time the Roman Catholic church compiled the first Bible. This may be off though.
The reason people don't question the existence Caesar is because there are statues, government records, personal diaries, his face on coins etc. Jesus is historically irrelevant whereas the Caesar had a big impact on the world.
gellendar420 4 days ago
It would seem pointless arguing with any religious person. Their is no excuse for their being as ignorant and completely void of independent thought in this modern age. They are a breed to their own. What is concerning is how much longer are we as Atheists going to tolerate a modern world being guided by these morons. How much longer are we going to sit back content while these freaks, clinging to their ancient and barbaric traditions/beliefs and impose their crap on the world?
Frizboxa 4 days ago 2
Oh wow. I`ve talked enough to atheists. I thought I was gonna leave a comment but.. lol these people are blocked. Giving absurd qualities to randomness. (white noise). What I don`t know is how these people don`t realize that they are wrong. But God created it this way yes. And Godfearingness makes people behave, realize positive/negative consequence of what they do. Ofcourse if these people had a mind, neg/post consq. of their "whitenoise universe" would be just as "valid". Not coherent ppl.
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@ParadoxEternal
"What I don`t know is how these people don`t realize that they are wrong"
and that, my theist droog, is why you fail.
"Godfearingness makes people behave"
no it doesn't, common sense makes people behave.
Let's just clarify: the only thing stopping you from raping a 3 year old with a buzzing chainsaw is because you're scared of your god, not because you know it's fundamentally fucked up, like anyone else would? Are you serious?
not coherent at all.
TheRealityofNature 4 days ago
Seems everyone who is an atheist always says that, why did God make me an atheist.What a dismissal of responsibility for your choice in choosing Him or choosing yourself. If He isn't your God, something else in your life will be, typically yourself first.
JnThreesixteen1 5 days ago
@JnThreesixteen1
"Seems everyone who is an atheist always says..why did God make me an atheist"
your problem is not in what atheists say, but your inability to understand that - if you invoke an all-knowing, all powerful creator, then you have just EXCLUDED the possibility of free will.
It's a simple logical process - an all knowing creator knows exactly the ramification of any "tweak" he might make in your creation, and how that impacts your choices.
it's you, not me.
TheRealityofNature 5 days ago
@TheRealityofNature I find anytime I write something atheist either call me vile names or question my intelligence, naturally, you don't disappoint.I am never suprised at "scholars" trying to understand free will from an omnipotent God, an entity that is infinite and our fininte minds.Because you say it can't be true then it isn't, who is god now?This is just one arguement you touch on which even if you heard the other side, I doubt you would even hear, you've already convinced yourself.
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@JnThreesixteen1
That "every time" you write something, someone calls into question your intelligence SHOULD tell you something... why hasn't it? At a punt, it probably suggests what you say, lacks intelligence.
ugh. okay, I follow a logical process and apparently I'm making a claim to be god? absurd. Entirely.
I am pointing out that the concept of an all-knowing and all-powerful creator AND free will are logically mutually exclusive. It' math, guy, not pretending to be god.
TheRealityofNature 4 days ago
@JnThreesixteen1 It's not a choice to be atheist. I can't simply start believing in God bacause I want to. Since I wasn't brought up to believe in God, the people who believe in him seem as deluded to me, as the people who believed in Zeus or Thor do to you. Could you make a choice to start believing in Zeus?
gellendar420 5 days ago
@gellendar420 There is some semblance of truth to what you say,I would find a mature Christian to discuss the "elect".
I was a stauch atheist for 32 years saying the same things you say and I studied everything I could about it, the validity of the Bible, philosophy, logic, science anthropology and archaeology.I couldn't get past the proof or the cosmological, teleological arguments.As a medical pract and engineer, the human cell/DNA strand can't be overlooked.My daughter created and born.
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@JnThreesixteen1
"I studied everything I could about it, the validity of the Bible, philosophy, logic, science anthropology and archaeology."
demonstrably then - you could not find much at all about it; philosophically, it's redundant. Logically, it's a catastrophe., Scientifically a joke, anthropologically - nothing unique.
I can quickly show you why the cosmological & teleological arguments are logically flawed - but you've already indicated your inability to grasp logic.
TheRealityofNature 4 days ago
@gellendar420 Zeus&Thor R made up fiction, the Bible is 99% accurate by atheist textural critics that for hundreds of years have tried to disprove&can't.They say there R many errors but theyR only stylist changes.If we throw out eyewitness testimony from a substantiated book,then we have no basis for our courts today.I'll ask what some1 asked me,put as much time and effort 4 1 year to prove there is a God,the Bible is accurate& Christ is who He said He was,U owe that2 Urself 2B fair4 both sides
JnThreesixteen1 4 days ago
@JnThreesixteen1 Oh boy...The awkward moment when someone thinks the bible's accurate in any way.
UberREDKitteh 4 days ago
@UberREDKitteh I realize you might think I am in the minority in thinking the Bible is accurate but if you listen to Respected scholars then they can substantiate. Time Magazine on several occasion published articles of the authenticity.If you are going to say it isn't, then you better have some proof, that no one else has come up with.
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@JnThreesixteen1
"you might think I am in the minority in thinking the Bible is accurate "
your mistake is identifying a few truths in the bible, and assuming the ENTIRE bible is correct. That's wrong - especially when we can reasonably prove there are lies and fabrications in the bible. The story "peter pan" also contains elements of truth, yet presumably you don't contend children can fly.
You're in the minority because you're demonstrably factually & logically wrong.
TheRealityofNature 4 days ago
@JnThreesixteen1
They can substantiate that certain figures existed. For example, a person named Jesus may have existed. However, you can't substantiate the supernatural events which most of the bible hinges upon. This is where people have issues with the bible.
TheBlackMage3 3 days ago
@UberREDKitteh the bibles the most inaccurate peice of shit ever to be written by man. fucking ideot
MiloMatrataMusic 4 days ago 2
@MiloMatrataMusic Wait...We're on the same team here man.
UberREDKitteh 4 days ago
@UberREDKitteh im sorry dude. I didnt read that correctlty. I read your comments and im 100 percent in agreement with what your saying. Im athiest as well. I wast trying to reply to the ideot who was claiming that everything in the bible is correct. Which we have already proved is not thr case. So if the book of "truth" has one lie in it then its not the book of truth
MiloMatrataMusic 4 days ago
@JnThreesixteen1 99% accurate? It says the Earth is flat and the moon is made of light. Wouldn't the guy who made them know this?
To follow your argument about eyewitness testimony; considering stories about Jesus were passes down by word of mouth for 300 years before ever being written down they'd be classified as hearsay at best. Which, in case you didn't know, is inadmissable in courts today even if the gap is only one person as opposed to the 300 years in this case.
gellendar420 4 days ago
gellendar Is.40:22 "circle of earth".Of course God knows what He created,whether the Greek language could encompass.
Not sure where you get 300 when most would say 30-70 years.Compared to Alexander the Great's 1200 years or Caesar's 950 years, that is hot off the press!!But, not one questions them, why?There isn't even enough copies of Aristotle(400) or Plato(550) to substantiate they existed.There are over 25,000 copies of the Bible! What more do you need man?
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@JnThreesixteen1
"There are over 25,000 copies of the Bible! What more do you need man?"
erm. no, there is only one bible, it's just been duplicated. Repeating a lie does not make it fact.
Around the world, billions of young students consider fractions to be irrelevant - does that make them so?
of course you know this - so I wonder, do you make this point because you think we're stupid, or because you're just inept?
TheRealityofNature 4 days ago
@gellendar420 To this day I listen to atheist & their arguements b/c I can't believe it something that is not real,Christians don't have blind faith like most people think.Take care and Godspeed
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@JnThreesixteen1
"Christians don't have blind faith"
faith is blind, it's the fundamental description. Faith is also synonymous with being illogical. Faith, by defintion, is a logical fallacy.
I know you're not a fan of logic, and youre probably going to whimper at me pointing out you're being illogical - but thems are the facts guy - my opinion has nothing to do with it.
TheRealityofNature 4 days ago
Without the 99% incomplete fossil record creation hypothesis has nothing
Without the fossil record evolution theory still has dozens of other fields relating to genetics and observations of species and their geographic distribution that independently support it
Creationists fail to show the chemistry that says abiogenesis can't happen, while scientists have shown short ribozymes/RNA strands can fold over on themselves and act like enzymes for replicating other RNA strands (first step to life)
confettibrains 6 days ago
@confettibrains Creationists need to take a long hard look at virions and prions which effectively blur the line between organic molecules and what we would consider to be "alive".
195ashes 5 days ago
LMFAO! "I worked it out, and I was atheist in an hour"
Videoho3000 6 days ago
Occam's razor tells us a supernatural entity has far more impossibilities and implications than a system of infinite energy that is governed by random laws of physics or quantum fluctuations, or newtonian determinism where every possible position of any atomic particle anywhere in space already exists in a 4th dimension
Any of these do well to complete the equations
confettibrains 6 days ago
@confettibrains
after u shaved u might consider God to represent the energy, e.g. the big electron. do not now why u want it to be supernatural and why u talk about random laws of physics.
fourteatwo 6 days ago
@fourteatwo
"u might consider God to represent the energy, e.g. the big electron. do not now why u want it to be supernatural and why u talk about random laws of physics"
I have considered it, and it makes no sense no matter how you look at it. The only way it could make sense is with childhood naivety, the same way Santa and the Easter Bunny made "sense"
God could not be the energy, because then God wouldn't have consciousness. Intelligence needs an organized medium for exchange
confettibrains 6 days ago
@fourteatwo
"random laws of physics"
The 3 forces in our universe, the weak force, the strong force and the force of gravity, were actually just one force which broke down into 3 and taking on random values of each force. This could be why the strong nuclear force is so much stronger than the gravity force, because it took that strength into its own. In another universe, gravity could have inherited more strength and so atoms would not be bonded, but instead grouped by gravity
confettibrains 6 days ago
@confettibrains
The 3 forces in our universe
oops.. there are four.
strong, weak, electromagnetic and gravitational.
TheRealityofNature 5 days ago
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oops indeed
Not the first time I confused EM and the weak force to be one in the same
confettibrains 5 days ago
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When will religious people realize that atheists don't care whether or not you believe in god or religion. We just don't like you using religion to justify treating people who are different in an inferior way. Atheists look at all people, even religious people, equally.
89qazws 1 week ago
I wish I could like this a thousand times.
newageafterhours 1 week ago
If man was created from gods perfect image, does god shit?Just curious.... there is a terribly racist joke somewhere in here.
rodrigodet 1 week ago
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@rodrigodet
"If man was created from gods perfect image, does god shit?Just curious.... there is a terribly racist joke somewhere in here."
Yes, technically God would shit since he experiences human bodily needs (such as the need to rest on a throne)
The first humans were black-skinned (determined by molecular phylogenetics and biogeography), and since "man b'tzellem Elohim" = "man made in physical appearance of God," this means God is a black man with supernatural powers
confettibrains 1 week ago
I've wondered, who the hell created gods in the first place? Was it like two cavemen? cause one of the others must have said like: what you're joking right? You actually think a man is sitting on his cloud making it rain and throwing lightning bolts at your ass?
They say people were just as smart 5000 years ago or something but I think that's bullcrap, they must have had SOME brain functions missing. Then again some people DO still believe in an angry superbeing so I may be wrong.
bramlegend 1 week ago
@bramlegend Richard Dawkins proposes that explaining observed events (the sun, rain, natural disasters, etc) with supernatural forces is because our brain is inherently gullible when we are young. Nature selected for it because it allowed adults to communicate information (i.e., danger) and the kids would simply listen rather than test it for themselves (and presumably die). Pair that with our brain's tendency to create stories (TED talk on that somewhere) and you birth religion.
xdopiex 1 week ago
@xdopiex
if you want to base your atheism on some facts and understand the reasons for our ability to observe the exception you better read Konrad Lorenz and don't waste your time on dawkins. Lorenz explained things far better because he was a real scientist.
fourteatwo 1 week ago
@fourteatwo
Lorenz? The racist nazi dude?
confettibrains 1 week ago
@berealisticdemandthe go get me sum fish n chips little bitch. Get off this guys dick b4 u have 2 get knee surgery. Ohh look I'm british and I love dick blah blah blah
xXcantbfadedXx 1 week ago
If god created humans, why did he make them susceptible to illness? Why make humans capable of having cancer or aids. If god had the power to create the universe and the billions and billions of stars and planets some of which are thousands of times bigger than our own sun then surely he's capable of making humans unsusceptible to illness? If your answer is that he is testing us or punishing us then this makes god sadistic and if I was to inflict the same pain that he has i'd be locked up.
berealisticdemandthe 1 week ago 29
@berealisticdemandthe And if i was to be locked up by inflicting the same pain and misery that god has then it makes a mockery of christian claims that we get our morals from god.
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fourteatwo 1 week ago
@berealisticdemandthe
high you bright spark. U do not need to reply to your own comments. If you were to think logically about it you would ask why he makes living creatures die in the first place. How they die is of minor importance unless it involves prolonged physical pain. Sure u can come up with a better idea then death, but perhaps the biological life is not the be all and end all you think it to be and there is an everlasting life to be had, just not as u understand it
fourteatwo 1 week ago
@berealisticdemandthe Perhaps you should try reading the bible. It explains these things VERY clearly. In fact, there's a good chance you'll find more answers in the bible then you will ever get from science. I know; I was once an atheist, big bang, natural selection and evolution believer. I even studied those subjects for many years.
5570933zQ 1 week ago
@5570933zQ
"In fact, there's a good chance you'll find more answers in the bible then you will ever get from science"
LOL! Ok. Stop using all the technology science has bestowed you, then. Or else stop talking shit about the community which has given you the technology to do so
"I even studied those subjects for many years"
Bullshit. Christians love to say they got their faith after studying science, but really that's just BS so they don't look like a bunch of close-minded idiots
confettibrains 1 week ago
@confettibrains
agree if the bible is science i would like to see the "hidden superstring explanation" found in it
richart58 1 week ago
@5570933zQ
So can you explain the logic of this to me? You believe humans require a creator because of our complexity (really just your inability to understand chemical affinity), yet a supernatural entity who PHYSICALLY LOOKS like a male human, requires no creator for himself? Where is the logic in saying a God looks like his own creation? How does a supernatural male human appear?
And, since the first homo sapiens were black-skinned, does this mean God is a supernatural black man?
confettibrains 1 week ago
@5570933zQ
Also, can you explain facts such as shared ERV insertions between distinct but related species, 100% accurate predictions made by molecular phylogenetics, biogeography (where species are found in strata and locations at predicted evolutionary origins), fusion of 2 ape chromosomes into 1 human chromosome, human embryonic stages that show vestigial development as amphibians, or why ALL living species today can be traced back to a predecessor, NO completely novel organisms?
confettibrains 1 week ago
@confettibrains Honestly, I have studied them. I was completely fascinated with the science behind evolution. I still love science, but I found the flaws in evolution, big bang, etc. If you watch documentaries on it, you will hear the scientists say that they have no factual proof to back up their THEORIES. They keep digging for the missing link, but lie to get grants when they say they finally found something. Look outside your window, if evolution were real you should see
5570933zQ 1 week ago
@5570933zQ
"I still love science, but I found the flaws in evolution, big bang, etc"
I've heard this from other people, when I ask to see their sources I always get non-peer reviewed papers and non-scientific opinions and biased documentaries like whatever that one was from Ben Stein.
Show me any well-founded rebuttal to evolution theory that ISN'T from a religious person (due to confirmation bias and distortion of evidence)
confettibrains 1 week ago
@5570933zQ
Can you please explain facts such as shared ERV insertions between distinct but related species, accurate predictions made by molecular phylogenetics, biogeography (why species are found in strata and locations at predicted evolutionary origins), fusion of 2 ape chromosomes into 1 human chromosome, human embryonic stages that show vestigial development as amphibians, or why all living species today can be traced back to an ancestor, w/ no genetically unique organisms?
confettibrains 1 week ago
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@confettibrains "Can you please explain facts such as shared ERV insertions between distinct but related species" I can't say I have studied endogenous retroviruses or even human endogenous retroviruses. It's just another string of theories with no factual evidence to prove your evolution theory. Key word: theory. Can you show me lab experiments to prove that ERVS or HERVS can cause large scale evolution? No.
5570933zQ 1 week ago
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@5570933zQ
"It's just another string of theories with no factual evidence to prove your evolution theory. Key word: theory. Can you show me lab experiments to prove that ERVS or HERVS can cause large scale evolution? No"
Um, yes there are many papers on ERV insertions. These are not hypotheses, or theories, they are FACTS that we can fit into existing theories. So how would YOU explain viruses inserting their genome in the SAME loci for distinct (but predictably related) species?
confettibrains 6 days ago
@5570933zQ
"They keep digging for the missing link"
Missing link for what? Human ancestral species are well documented transitions, as are whales (they have at least 20 transitional species last I checked).
Keep in mind the fossil record is over 99% incomplete, and incomplete data is not grounds for any conclusions. The fact is, they have found transitions, just not for each of the 1 billion species to ever live (we only have 200 million fossils total, most are marine animals)
confettibrains 1 week ago
@5570933zQ
"Look outside your window, if evolution were real you should see different stages of the evolution process walking around you right now"
There are. All the birds are related to one another, each bird you see is a transition.
We do see animals intermediate between stages. No, the earlier stages don't always die off, they just go a separate way and speciate in their own unique style (but still sharing a general form, as in birds)
confettibrains 1 week ago
@5570933zQ 'but I found the flaws in evolution'
Oh, did you? Then the Nobel Prize awaits you, and worldwide fame and wealth. You will be as celebrated as Darwin! All you have to do is document your flaws with the evidence, and bingo! What? You have no evidence? Only gullible crap from creationists websites? Ho ho! No Nobel Prize for you! Funny, that!
Oldtinear 1 week ago 2
@Oldtinear You're a funny one. Do fossils of extinct creatures prove your evolution theory? Perhaps lucy can prove it? Some of "her" bones were found large distances away from the initial find. Not to mention the huge depth discrepancies. The scientist that found these bones openly admitted this during a conference. I shouldn't have to provide you with evidence to disprove evolution. Our scientists do this on a regular basis.
5570933zQ 6 days ago
@5570933zQ Also, regarding Lucy, I find it hilarious that the bones they found are severely corroded. It's not even remotely close to a full skeleton. They have to "reconstruct" the whole thing to prove their evidence. Wake up already.
5570933zQ 6 days ago
@5570933zQ 'Do fossils of extinct creatures prove your evolution theory?'
Absolutely! We have hundreds of thousands of fossils from all over the world, and every month brings thousands more. The world being what it is, with plate movements and erosion, digging up stuff millions of years old throws up the occasional odd fossil in an unexpected position. Such is life. YOU ignore the thousands of fossils which fit evolution perfectly, and focus obsessively on the odd ones. Perverse!
Oldtinear 6 days ago
@Oldtinear "YOU ignore the thousands of fossils which fit evolution perfectly" No I don't. I've seen far more fossils of extinct species. I focus on Lucy, Neanderthal man, etc because they are the most accepted specimen. People tend to focus on the homo genus because they are supposedly our closest ancestors. Anyways, the ocean fossils are usually the most preserved. Again, they lack evidence of intermediate evolution stages despite the overwhelming amount of them.
5570933zQ 6 days ago
@5570933zQ
There are over 25 transitional species from pakicetus --> modern whales
Pakicetus > nalacetus > ichthyolestes > gandakasia > ambulocetus > himalayacetus > attockicetus > remingtonocetus > dalanistes > kutchicetus > andrewsiphius > indocetus > qaisracetus > takracetus > artiocetus > babiacetus > protocetus > pappocetus > eocetus > georgiacetus > natchitochia > dorudon > zygorhiza > saghacetus > chrysocetus > gaviacetus > pontogeneus > basilosaurus > basiloterus
confettibrains 6 days ago
@confettibrains I hate to repeat myself, so I think I'm done with this debate. I'll be exiting, stage right.
5570933zQ 6 days ago
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@5570933zQ
"I hate to repeat myself, so I think I'm done with this debate. I'll be exiting, stage right"
Wow, can't even defend why you disagree with evolution. I bet you're one of those people who, when asked why they believe something, they say "oh, i dunno, just cuzzzzz...."
So, it seems to me your disbelief in evolution is not due to a lack of evidence, but because it conflicts your preconceived notions from your religion.
Don't accuse science if you can't address it
confettibrains 6 days ago
@Oldtinear If anything, they are proof of an intelligent designer. They are created in a way to keep ecological balance.
5570933zQ 6 days ago
@5570933zQ 'they are proof of an intelligent designer'
Mate, for you, ANYTHING is 'proof' of a designer. But anything which looks a bit odd for a loving, all-knowing designer - such as rabies, malaria, earthquakes, back pain, and so on, you just ignore, or come up with a tale saying God created the world & us, but the evils of the world are OUR fault!
Oldtinear 6 days ago
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@Oldtinear "God created the world & us" Correct. " evils of the world are OUR fault!" Yep. "back pain" Boy, I sure know this one. Joking aside... there is plenty of edification in the bible for everything you said, but I'll leave that to you. God is more concerned about your spiritual body then the flesh. By accepting Jesus as your savior, repenting of your sins and following God's word, you dawn an incorruptible spiritual body in the eternity. It's your choice to accept or decline.
5570933zQ 6 days ago
@5570933zQ
"Do fossils of extinct creatures prove your evolution theory? Perhaps lucy can prove it?"
Actually, we can disregard the fossil record and still have mountains of supporting evidence for it that are not specific to fossils.
Lucy is one of hundreds of human ancestral fossils, why do you only focus on that particular one?
confettibrains 6 days ago
@confettibrains different stages of the evolution process walking around you right now. Did the earlier stages just die off? Has evolution all of a sudden found perfection and decided to stop? The most important question: How did nothing become something? I think it takes quite a bit of faith to believe something like that... so stop ridiculing those of us that believe in God.
5570933zQ 1 week ago
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"How did nothing become something?"
Try the RNA world hypothesis, iron-sulfur world hypothesis, probiont world hypothesis, or any of the models about abiogenesis.
Evolution theory only addresses changes to the genome affecting offspring.
confettibrains 1 week ago
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"How did nothing become something"
Essentially it takes chemical affinity at first, then binding into structures that can provide mechanical function. There exists RNA strands like hammerhead ribozymes that self-cleave or can act as protein enzymes to help reproduce another RNA strand. There are several more variations of RNA strands that possess the ability to fold over on themselves into intricate shapes to act as catalysts and enzymes for self-replication (polymerase)
confettibrains 1 week ago
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"How did nothing become something"
^ I just assumed you were referring to life there, but now that I think about it you probably were talking about the big bang, so I'll address that too
The big bang didn't come from nothing, it existed as a singularity. No energy was created during the big bang, it was only produced. The big bang is a well supported theory, and the observations we make (CMB, ambient temp of space, rate of expansion) all coincide w/ math predictions made prior
confettibrains 1 week ago
@berealisticdemandthe why would he make out "perfect eyes" so faulty :p
t1oxETy 6 days ago
@berealisticdemandthe The answers you'll probably get are "We were made susceptible after Adam and Eve were cast out of Eden as part of their/our punishment" and "You can't judge God by human standards". Stuff along those lines.
195ashes 5 days ago
@195ashes Either that or "God works in mysterious ways".
SuperMatthew345 5 days ago
Fuck this British cock sucker. What he needs 2 do is get the dick out of his ass cuz its making him talk stupid.
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berealisticdemandthe 1 week ago
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@xXcantbfadedXx By describing him as a "British cock sucker" i assume that you're a racist, xenophobic, relgious, hate filled, let's piss on some dead bodies kind of American. Get your head out of your ass and educate yourself.
berealisticdemandthe 1 week ago
@PorkFrog I'M not denying that a lot of atheists rant as well.But thats also because in terms of the subject,us atheists are a minority and trust me it gets really pissing off when you're abused from every side just because you have a different point of view.
And yeah i dont read alot of the comments on YT.Its always one against the other,fight fight fight.
And you're right,the acrimony surrounding it is infact the main attraction.
suhaas080309 1 week ago
Why are these fuckers laughing?!
Yahtzoom 1 week ago
@Yahtzoom Because it's funny as hell!
hueyfreeman91 1 week ago
Why the fuck do god believers have a problem with anyone and everyone who is an atheist?Do we atheists keep calling you people names and abusing you just because you believe?Grow up and accept different point of views.Stop being narrow minded for FFS.You believe,we dont.Lets respect each other's opinions instead of saying atheists are dumb and stupid.
And for people saying everyone needs something to believe in,then i'd rather believe someone i can see and feel the presence of(living being)
suhaas080309 1 week ago
@suhaas080309 ''Do we atheists keep calling you people names and abusing you just because you believe?''
can't say about 'real life' because such a thing generally doesn't come up, but on YT? you must not read here much I figure, since you ask the question..
an atheist once told me to suck my God's dick on here
but the acrimony surrounding the subject is one of its attractions
PorkFrog 1 week ago
fat piece of shit.
pastohh 1 week ago
@pastohh Lol do a quick google search for "Ricky gervais 2012". Dude is 50 and in better shape than most people will be all their life. Also, u mad even a comedian knows your stone age book is nonsense?
Dalesy617 1 week ago
I can assure you even though im only 14, im not an idiot, I can say I truly don't understand why you're so threatened/ call it what you want, by my belief or other's in God. and if you were to make an attempt to advertise atheism, you wouldn't be doing a good job, you're just consistently using your "amaziiiiiing" logic to disprove things you're not even familiar with.. so what's your goal in this? cause provoking conversion certainly can't be it lol
MrMwakajumba 1 week ago
@MrMwakajumba and yeahhh dude im sooo desparate, im just longing to be pretentious, and logical just like YOU! =)
MrMwakajumba 1 week ago
Go Ricky,there is no devil and there is no god FACT and even a few of you religious types are finally realizing that Atheists are not angry people but merely those in touch with reality.:-)
Tindting 1 week ago
@Tindting its funny how people who are atheists are just as dogmatic about their beliefs as religious people are.
thuglifenos 1 week ago
@thuglifenos
can I ask you a question tindting?
Are you just trolling, or are you genuiniely ignorant about what atheism is? Here's a tip, despite the ongoing ranting and trolling on intellectual giants like porky et al. Atheism is simply not a belief, there is no "belief" involved.
I really don't understand why people get so adamant about this stupid mistake, it actually completely confuses me. It's no more a belief than not-collecting stamps is a hobby.
wake up to yourselves.
TheRealityofNature 1 week ago
@TheRealityofNature 'Atheism is simply not a belief'
I am an atheist, but, sorry, it is'.
We use 'belief' to mean anything we hold to be true. I say 'I believe pruning my roses will produce more flowers'. In this case, based on evidence/experience, belief means a conclusion. While a believer saying 'I believe God exists in three parts', is taliking about faith - belief which is not evidence-based.
Because there is no evidence, atheists believe/conclude God does not exist.
Oldtinear 1 week ago
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TheRealityofNature 1 week ago
@TheRealityofNature 'Because there is no evidence for his existence, atheists believe/conclude God does not exist'
You say you are an atheist, but say this statement is nonsensical. You say your atheism is not a belief. OK - go for it - express your views on the existence of God without using the words, 'I believe'
Secondly, I know of no atheist who rules out the possibility of God. If evidence such as an angel-filled charriot descending on my garden emerged, I would convert
Oldtinear 1 week ago
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@Oldtinear
"express your views on the existence of God without using the words, 'I believe'"
I KNOW there is no intelligent proof for the existence of a god, thus it is illogical to conclude one exists.
I don't HAVE a belief. I follow the evidence, I follow logic. I KNOW logic works, the evidence is here. I DON'T know it's the "best" tool that exists, but it is the best tool we have available.
I don't need to "believe" the sky is blue on a sunny day either. it is, regardless.
TheRealityofNature 1 week ago
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@Oldtinear
"Because there is no evidence, atheists believe/conclude God does not exist"
I'm an atheist, and this is not a conclusion I make. why? because it's nonsensical. I'll agree it's more reasonable, but it's nonetheless, not a logical conclusion.
You know atheism has many flavours: dawkins for example, is a weak atheist, as am I - he does not rule out the possibilty of a god. nor did Carl sagan, hawkings, etc.
Your position is it's strong atheism - a belief, and illogical.
TheRealityofNature 1 week ago
@Oldtinear
"say 'I believe pruning my roses will produce more flowers'. ... belief means a conclusion"
That your roses produce more flowers after pruning is a logically-inducted assertion. It's not something you hold as absolute truth. Theists DO hold their god's existence as absolute truth. A theist interprets "belief" as "assertion of absolute fact" .
"atheists believe/conclude God does not exist"
No, they suppose as reasonable, one does not. there's a lot of unspoken language.
TheRealityofNature 1 week ago
@TheRealityofNature I said, 'We use 'belief' to mean anything we hold to be true'
You called me nonsensical, and stated 'Theists hold their god's existence as absolute truth.' These look exactly the same to me. I don't see any difference between believing something to be true and believing it to be absolutely true.
You shied away from my challenge, 'express your views on the existence of God without using the words, 'I believe'. Funny that!
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fourteatwo 1 week ago
@fourteatwo 'theists think that God exists whilst atheists-if they use their brain- think that God does not exist'
Take our the sneer at atheists, and I agree with you. But theist believe God exists despite there being no evidence for it - their belief is faith-based, not evidence-based. Whereas atheists base their belief that God does not exist on the fact that there is no evidence while you would reasonably expect some. Their belief is evidence-based.
Oldtinear 1 week ago 10
@Oldtinear
I would have thought take the existence of the creation as evidence of a creator as I define God as the origin of the universe. Atheists can not deny the existence of the universe so they can not argue the no existence of God based on the absence of evidence for god but an alternative of the origin of the universe. Our current knowledge suggests that it had a beginning. Now can you please explain what evidence you have.
fourteatwo 1 week ago
@fourteatwo 'Our current knowledge suggests that the universe had a beginning'
It began with the Big Bang, but at that time energy/matter already existed - after the BB it expanded. There is no evidence that there was a time when matter did not exist, or that it was subject to a process describable as creation.
'I define God as the origin of the universe'
You define a set as containing beings with the attribute of creating the universe. Great! Now show that this set is not empty!
Oldtinear 1 week ago
@Oldtinear
So you believe in an infinite universe not created but allways existing. I guess you have as much evidence of that as I have. I actually thought there might have been energy, i.e. God that turned into matter or as Carlin said, the big electron. Now the philosophical question is if that cration had a purpose. If not that you have no purpose either or where would that purpose come from?
fourteatwo 1 week ago
@fourteatwo
"If not that you have no purpose either or where would that purpose come from?"
Do you really need a bronze-age religion to find purpose in life?
confettibrains 1 week ago
@fourteatwo 'you believe in an infinite universe not created but always existing.'
Nope. The universe is big and expanding, but not infinite.There is no evidence it was 'created'
'I guess you have as much evidence of that as I have'
Nope. The universe is self-evidently here. I do not need to provide evidence that it is. You claim that there was a time when the universe was not here. You have no evidence for this claim
By the way, did God need creating? If so, who by? If not, why not?
Oldtinear 1 week ago
@Oldtinear
you can not have it both ways it either was created or it allways existed thus is infinite. Now be it as it is, what does your worldview then tell you about your purpose.
fourteatwo 1 week ago
@fourteatwo ''you believe in an infinite universe not created but always existing.'
I thought you meant infinite in size rather than time.
Time is funny - it is not as simple as you think intuitively. Einstein showed that speed and gravity affect time. Many scientists believe that time started with the Big Bang. Yes this sounds odd, but time stops under huge gravitational force.
But go for it - if you think time stretches back infinitely, show us your evidence for this view.
Oldtinear 1 week ago
@Oldtinear
Show us time had a beginning than. Thought this was one of the philosophical things in worldviews. Guess the concept of infinity was not apparent when people stated to think about God. They even had truoble to imagine the timescale of the earth history so they called it six days and I guess it is beyond our capabilities to settle that
fourteatwo 6 days ago
@fourteatwo My view is that energy/matter exist now, and have since the beginning of time
Yours is that if you go back far enough in time, matter vanishes. A fabulously-powerful invisible human-lookalike being exists with the power to create universes. If you continue to go back in time, you never reach a point where this being did not exist
My view is weak on the start of time. I admit there is stuff we do not know. Yours requires fabulous beings and the destruction of the universe.
Oldtinear 6 days ago
@Oldtinear
why do i have to think of a human lookalike God and why would I have to believe in infinite regression? Just because u belive so?
Indeed if it all existed since the beginning of time, what was there before the beginning of time? why are u afraid of imagening a pont of creation? call the cause the big eletron if that helps u.
do u think u have an obligation to look after others and if so why, because if u do the spirit is with u anyhow
fourteatwo 6 days ago
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@fourteatwo 'what was there before the beginning of time?'
Em... if there was something BEFORE the beginning of time, it would not be the beginning of time!
'why would I have to believe in infinite regression?'
If everything which exists must have had a creator, then God must have had a creator, and the God-creator must have had a creator and...
If you say God did not need one, I can say neither did matter, and my world-view, by Occam's razor, is far simpler than yours.
Oldtinear 6 days ago
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@fourteatwo 'you can not have it both ways it either was created or it allways existed'
Your error is this: intuitively you feel that matter cannot always have existed. Therefore you invent a creator to explain it. But that solves nothing. Now you have a 'creator' to explain - if things cannot just exist for all time, then the creator is something that gives you the same problem as matter - where did the creator come from? Inventing a creator just pushes the 'problem' back a level.
Oldtinear 1 week ago
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@fourteatwo
"Our current knowledge suggests that it had a beginning"
Our current knowledge suggests there is no way to subvert infinite regress even when an event occurs outside of spacetime and spacial dimensions, therefore there is no system of logic where supernatural entities are plausible
Our universe could be a closed-system that recycles every 10^100 years ad infinitum in a "big crunch" The one before ours may not have had physics sustainable for life and no one would know
confettibrains 1 week ago
@Tindting i beg to differ, look at the Buddhist teachings, study it in depth, and u will get what hell is on earth XD, fact is not ultimate truth, BTW i have not had someone yet explain to me what logic is where it comes from, so i propose a challenge (friendly challenge, im not attacking any beliefs, just want a solid argument for once) (BTW i know where it comes from, a test maybe then, got there through poetry XD)
MsMi321 1 week ago
Your guys argument is pointless, everyone who believes in god is trying to shove your religion down the people who don't believes throat. It's there choice to believe or not to believe..... That said i do have to ask how people who don't believe explain how we are here at this moment, how we have been here for years and how thousands of other animals got here?
dovon11 1 week ago
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@dovon11
"That said i do have to ask how people who don't believe explain how we are here at this moment, how we have been here for years and how thousands of other animals got here? "
Generally, we don't try to explain things as fact, we can't prove - this is applying logic, theist are very bad at using logic.
However, it is ALSO logical to follow the evidence, which points to things like evolution, planetary formation, and so on.
TheRealityofNature 1 week ago
Ricky Gervais is so awesome.
geniirena 1 week ago
@Ecocide112 Jesus himself wasn't religious. He taught about the kingdom of god, which isn't a religion. It is a kingdom. With God being the king of his territory (Earth and the universe) and the kingdom's citizens (people) obeying his rule; not members of a church/religion. A kingdom is a government. And the issues in the bible that Jesus had were not religious issues. They were political issues. And politics are part of a government. The kingdom he talks of.
garDmalF 1 week ago
I think the best spokesperson for atheism and scientism is Nikita Khrushchev who said that "Gagarin flew into space, but did not see any god there."
wbarquez 1 week ago
but I fully respect others beliefs as well.. Maybe once we do begin to understand each other's beliefs than maybe we will finally begin to change/manipulate this world, riding it of hate, selfishness,racism,RELIGION, and just obtainig hope and understanding for all humans. As for the "christians" who shove their beliefs towards others, while living an entirely contradicting life and judging others, I apoligize, "christians" such as myself exists, and are only growing in numbers.. Jesus>religion
MrMwakajumba 1 week ago
@MrMwakajumba So wait, i dont fully understand. you say you believe in jesus and god, but not religion? How is that not religious? Do you believe there is a heaven and a hell and god created the world and if you dont follow his rules you will go to hell?
Ecocide112 1 week ago
@Ecocide112 Well first of all, I believe that there are a lot of things that i'll never understand, but I certainly accept that fact. And having a relationship with Jesus is much different than following a religion, we "christians" have basically had wrong for so many years, and now(finally) we're in the midst of understanding God's true nature, the new testament portrays how Jesus simply came to serve and love. That's how I carry myself, and please don't think im trying to preach cause im not.
MrMwakajumba 1 week ago
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@MrMwakajumba
"we're in the midst of understanding God's true nature, the new testament portrays how ..."
I see, so your particular cult dismisses the OT completely? interesting.
well, of course you don't. to imply you do is just heresy.
Would you mind explaining to me why your worship of JC is not violating the 1st commandment? - is it that you can pick and choose which manifestation of god you "like" and pretend the rest never existed?
TheRealityofNature 1 week ago
@TheRealityofNature its a choice not a rejection, for if one were to reject his brother, and in his absence pick another, would that man still not be his brother, and the other, just a pick of the bunch, for one cannot dismiss any other, nor can he decide who was whom as of birth, tis neither his will nor hi right, to say another is yet to come, or has already been, to pick a few words, and to answer them as only what they are, is to ignore the depth, and what they may hold.
MsMi321 1 week ago
@MsMi321
"its a choice not a rejection"
nope. rejection. I reject as valid, unsubstantiated claims to the existence of an unprovable and mythical god.
I don't "choose" logic any more than I chooose math. I "choose" to apply logic, because if we don't use logic, then we're reduced to meaningless babble.... funny that.
TheRealityofNature 1 week ago
@TheRealityofNature are u seriously that much of an ignorant cherry picker, words on themselves mean nothing when taken from a verse can mean anything from a insult to a compliment, logic is a result of the creative mind, XD it derives from the irrational, next time actually read what i say instead of answering a few words, XD, i never claimed god to be real now did i , so i suggest u actually learn to interpret words and not the amateur cherry picking technique XD
MsMi321 1 week ago
@MsMi321
"logic is a result of the creative mind"
perhaps, but it's also a tool, like math, that works.
you don't get to define math. you also don't get to define logic. it's already defined for you.
If you don't want to be logical, fine, the conversation is over - I can listen to my 2 year old niece if I want to listen to meaningless, logic-less babble.
TheRealityofNature 1 week ago
@TheRealityofNature plus the most wise men on earth have been talking in illogical ways for centuries "funny that", logic in itself wont solve the math problem for u its the creative side of ur mind that actually lets u understand the problem
MsMi321 1 week ago
@MsMi321
"plus the most wise men on earth have been talking in illogical ways for centuries"
they have?
I assume you can validate this claim with an example? yes? please do.
"logic in itself wont solve the math problem"
I see, so when you do a google search, for example, for math logic, do you actually see the results, or do you just ignore they are there?
Being creative is fine, but if you want to creatively mount a point and expect it to be understood, you have some homework to do.
TheRealityofNature 1 week ago
@TheRealityofNature u really are hoggishly ignorant cherry picker, actually understand what i say as a whole verse, the least understood ppl are : Socrates, Aristotle, Plato, Einstein, and many more, i see the results but, any math problem has many if not infinite ways of being solved, more proving that logic comes from the irrational, logic in itself wont solve the problem since, u need to use and rearrange functions in such a way that they are as simple as possible to solve
MsMi321 1 week ago
@MsMi321
"hoggishly ignorant..."
if you like, but how about you give me the names I asked for anyhow?
"any math problem has many if not infinite ways of being solved,"
yes, and ALL of them adhere to strict rules. Infinite ways of doing things, it doesn't mean ANY way of doing it is appropriate.
You actually agreed with me: "u need to use and rearrange functions in such a way.." i.e. there are "correct" ways of applying math and logic, and there are INCORRECT ways of doing it.
TheRealityofNature 1 week ago
@TheRealityofNature AGAIN U USE SINGLE VERSES WHICH ARE NOT INDIVIDUAL IDEAs, XD, i gave u the names XD either learn to read, or stop cherry picking, appropriate ways of doing things is of no importance, and my quote continues, "u need to use and rearrange functions in such a way that they are easiest to solve"
no one is falling for discrimination of the idea by the pick of the words, i will give u the names again: SOCRATES< ARISTOTLE< PLATO< EINSTEIN, ETC. i will continue
MsMi321 1 week ago
@MsMi321
"AGAIN U USE SINGLE VERSES"
huh? I'm not using any "verse". I've concluded you're a fruitloop.
"or stop cherry picking"
huh? cherry picking? Telling you that logic is math with well-defined rules is.. cherry picking? more fruitloopery.
"no one is falling for discrimination"... is this even english?
"i will give u the names again.." righto, now show me EXACTLY where these guys misused logic to conclude a point.
TheRealityofNature 1 week ago