INTRODUCTION TO TRANSHUMANISM 02

[NewAgeisSewAge]

I think this video is not complete. Transhumanism cross over from the physical realm to the spiritual realm as well which u shud be very careful about venturing. Read the NSF report which they don't want you to read and this gives u a fresh look at what they intend to do with humanity. They talk about human-animal DNA mixing creating some sort of part-human part-animal hybrid and the foremost UK law & forensic university is even consider rewriting the laws for such hybrid creatures. It's satanic

[lemsip]

@NewAgeisSewAge It's not spiritual as it's taking away the spirit which is why it is very dangerous. Give me the Taliban over that any day even though I'm not a Muslim.

[NewAgeisSewAge]

It is a LIE or he's ignorant when he says, that man has not been cloned. There r reports which talks about this as far back in 1977. Remember, the latest technologies we 've is the old hat of military. So when they talk about Transhumanism as a future technology don't be fooled. They 've already tried it, and there r reports from DARPA which proves about creating super-human soldiers. Don't be fooled n fall for this evil initiative. It's all about altering human DNA.

[NewAgeisSewAge]

Yes, this is Eugenics repackaged. Hitler wud really approve it. Human Genome project is the new name for Eugenics. See how easily the fool the public. Much of the public is unaware of the real thrust behind Transhumanism, Singularity etc. This is man trying to elevate himself to god-hood, trying to b'come immortal by venturing into portals that may be dangerous and could bring an end to humanity itself.

[andresboulton]

This is something Hitler would approve.

[221dejan]

@andresboulton

right on, this guys are whack!

[221dejan]

@andresboulton

dark days

[lemsip]

@andresboulton Fortunately Hitler didn't have computers as the atrocities would have been even worse.

[insanewarlock666]

he pronounces like a clown

[sondano]

1. a clone is NOT yourself. You cannot clone ego 2. Why would we need clones in the first place? What are they good for?

[TheMixedKid25]

@sondano in star wars continuom there is a kingom of clones that ruled over worlds and protected each other and was responsible for the collective deaths of "untold millions". So you would clone yourself to promote and support your own interests. instead of recruiting other members you would have a family of yourself that would be loyal to the end for your cause...whatever that may be.

[Yewro2000]

@sondano Because we can

But I know what you mean cloning is a fancy way of reproduction

witch is what it might be used for (ie for someone to have a child without a partner)

or spare organs

[empyblessing]

where is part three?

[ovandocarter]

dolly was killed , like alot of other sheep. 

[Domzdream]

I'm personally technologically backward (thus me being really, REALLY excited in perhapse acquiring a computer chip where I can access a data base), also to be able to plug into a virtual reality world (I do computer games for a living). That's just the tip of the ice berge. Then there's medical care. Constant online communication with whome ever you wish like your mom and dad. I can't wait! Hopefully I'll be alive to see this (I'm 34).

[buggfire]

this guy is a eugenicists and a tool for pharmaceutical business, "you can buy a pill to make you handsome"??? Wtf? Playing on people's vanity, one of the deadly sins?? This guy is pure evil. I bet he wants to exterminate all non-Venezuelans because everyone else is not attractive, or have erectile dysfunction, or are stupid because they can't afford the pills he is peddling to "correct their deformities". please remove the veil people!! you are being brainwashed into oblivion!!

[Domzdream]

I don't think it's what he meant. I think he's just putting all the options on the table. That if we feel we want to eradicate a thing we do not find attaractive on our bodies, that the technology can allow us to do so if we choose to. I didn't get any judgements from him other than highlights of all the thigs that ail us primates. LIke superfluous hair after we turn 40.

[SecularAmerican]

@buggfire You're bible based morality is outdated. Please acquire a foundation that is more solid than because the big man upstairs said so.

It's ok to desire looking better, people do it everyday when they apply makeup, or excercise, or eat healthy.

This guy is saying it will be possible to achieve what we want that we cannot now, and with greater ease.

He never once speculated on the destruction of anyone.

Your hate mongering is immoral and evil and you seek to divide us.

[PandaArmyXX]

@SecularAmerican

He is just a fucking conspiracy theory nut. Don't mind him, hopefully like-minded twats like him will lace up their brand new Nikes and drink deep from the koolaid.

Peace and Panda Love,

-PAXX

[SecularAmerican]

@PandaArmyXX kudos, much panda love. I seek to verbally bitch slap people in an attempt to get them thinking, better to (sorry to use the word) convert people to the cause of reason than just abandon them. although some people can't be saved.

-stay awesome :3

[bighands69]

You are pure evil.

With your backward mentality. Your position is based on a purely emotional feeling.

You cannot except the development of technology.

Technology is just a human creation that comes from ideas. And as such cannot be stopped.

No matter how you feel you cannot stop the quest for more knowledge your position will not change the minds of people that are creative.

Your little eugenics world order conspiracies will not stop technological development.

[PinkandDeadly]

Craig Venter, mentioned here, is working for Exxon Mobil on a synthetic bacterium that absorbs carbon dioxide stacks and produces benzoline fuel.

[gangstagrannie]

Anyone remember the news in the UK back in 2000 or 2001 where they were broadcasting that they had a few pregnant women who were pregnant with clones? This was way before this man says. At the time, the women were due to give birth...........but you know that by the time it makes the mainstream, its been tried and tested already........they've already been cloning for years.

[westwaleschemtrails]

The Problem seems to be that Great Wealth Rules and that Science tends to follow the money. An earlyer post implied we need a PhD to question what this man is saying and unfortunately that is not at all true and there are countless examples to prove that. We must not turn our backs on Philosophy and own right of self determination. It is overtly apparent that the Rulers of Maya want a great population reduction and any one watching this must ask does this future contain me?

[metalways]

up the children, etc.? Someone said in a comment that they are tired of the taboo on eugenics. Well, maybe that's because eugenicists have sterilized or outright killed so many people it is hard to imagine. Troops have been experimented on(without their knowledge) and children have been outright murdered, as well as the fact that they openly say that the world population needs to be cut in half(some say more). I think that's a good enough reason for people to look unfavorably on eugenics.

[westwaleschemtrails]

You just need to read the Georgia Guide Stones in the US that were erected back in 1980 to realise the Target is 500.000.000. That would call for around 80% reduction. This talk is very "Brave New World". Do "WE" realy want that. I have posted my opinions and a break down of the 10 commandments of the New World Order, etched in Stone in Georgia, on my Chanel.

[metalways]

Ok, technology will advance, that's a given, the way it does is not. I would like to say that the will of the people will push advances, but that is not reality. Those who control things will push technology in the direction they want it to go. I won't go into everything they admittedly believe, instead just ask this - if the powers that be really wanted to help people with new technologies(and not keep them for themselves), why then do they insist on poisoning the water, the food, doping(contd

[particleion]

TransAlchemy

[pipetube21]

I agree on Russians HAHAHAHAHA I have many Russians friends, I pull their leg on this thing

[FeralVentas]

Star Wars was a nifty movie, but centered more on The Force as a magical cure-all than as technological amount of power. The evil in that story-line came from deception and corruption of individuals, not of societal morals.

Read the Laws of Robotics: provided they're kept, the Matrix will remain an awsome movie and nothing more.

Everything we use is made of atoms.  What's so unnatural about arranging them in ways that suit our needs? "thou shalt not change the world" wasn't on the tablets.

[FeralVentas]

Undtektid has a point; when new technology is developed, it's not always put forward to help everyone fairly, and might even be kept among a sort of techno-elitist grouping.

However, the developments are going to continue, and as it's been seen in the past, such technology Does make it's way through a society that embraces it, albeit not imidiately and not always fairly.

[undtektid]

total destruction...who's going to decide who gets cloned...or transhuminized...I mean the conversation is just so not natural..

star wars anyone....can you say Matrix...scary shit...

what happened to living off the land peacefully...this will be the end...this is fucking with THE spiritual oneness of every living thing...FUBAR big time...

[desobasta]

catholics are entropians

[tarohoa]

alright you jackass, just live your normal life span as a retard and hope there's an afterlife while the rest of us become immortal sexy mother fuckers and if we die we'll hope their is a almighty forgiving God.

[DTag]

Amen to that.

[lemsip]

@tarohoa I think it's you who's the retard. You cannot make proper use of language.

[tarohoa]

@lemsip i like how you take it so personally. it was obviously a joke but if you'd so kindly allow i'd like to have attempt to understand you. From what i've read here on this page, you believe in a conspiracy that is associated with the NWO and that you are against such an organisation. You, yourself is spiritual nature and believe that as a human being you have the responsibility to help this world (hopefully). You hate scientists and their interference in natural order. how am i doing?

[lemsip]

@tarohoa No I don't hate all scientists but I think most of them have blinkers on and disregard ethics. I think science has gone too far in man areas.

[tarohoa]

@lemsip well that i can agree on, however there is something i'd like to say: don't be so quick to judge until you've understand both sides, else you're just adding to the indifference and fueling the fire. It's easy to close your ears to something you hate, i.e. evil, and not have to endure that risk of been confused with what's right. But if you really want humanity to win, it starts with your own responsibility of your own power and prove that you can be trusted with the future.

[lemsip]

@tarohoa Agree I am a bit spiritual but not in a practising way. I appreciate many ways of being spiritual as long as it's not extreme.

I only think that when sixth formers choose science subjects at A-Level they also take other subjects such as philosophy or history. That's why I think the A-Level system should be replaced with the Baccalaureate as it is broader.

[tarohoa]

@lemsip honestly, i wrote that message to provoke someone who is strongly against transhumanism. potential extremist need to be understood before they make matters worst. Though i can't say at the moment whether or not transhumanism will be a good or bad outcome, i know it is almost impossible to stop except from reaching the wrong hands. But you are right with education, specialization only serves to distance us.atm the education system is, regrettably, more about practicability than education

[Waldheri]

I get so tired of the taboo on eugenics.

[hellcat059]

I think the difference is in the word itself.

As murder is to suicide - so is eugenics to transgenics.

The distinction is that you can choose to be a part of it in transgenics - whereas eugenics is some people deciding for others.

We've got to create new language and terminology as we go forward - to shed prejudice and confusion.

[avrokneksok]

Someone stop these transhumanist pscyhopaths please, it's all uber meineche and eugenics societies behind this! Listen to Huxleys speech at Berkley, google it, the scientific dictatorship will consume your children if you don't act!

[danieleriskay]

hahaha..  you suck.

[avrokneksok]

Yeah ok, but so will you when the scientists good intentions get overun by the psychopathic capitalists.

[danieleriskay]

Psychopathic capitalists? Haha. Capitalists don't frighten me nearly as much as socialists and various half-wit urban leftists.

[avrokneksok]

I don't care much about politics it really is one large group with minor differences anyway, but the fact that people will buy the patents for these technologies and use them like they please, that is scary. It sounds all jolly good when it comes down to aiding people with neurological disabilities, but you should see past that, the hive mind is no joke.

[lemsip]

@avrokneksok That's assuming the scientists have good intentions. Many of them don't as they have blinkers on and lack empathy. Then they hire PR people to promote their findings as something that can be used for good.

[VoteThirdParty]

Transhumanism is just another arm of the now secret eugenics movment.Hitler killed jews for the "common good" to you know.

[kDest]

Heaven forbid you actually research what eugenics is and what genetic engineering is. No, easier to just regurgitate what you read from some conspiracy theorist's webpage.

[VoteThirdParty]

And God forbid you read a fucking book or articule about transhumanism orgins or likely outcome.Google Bill Joy,idiot.

[kDest]

Trying to evade the point? If you don't know what eugenics is, or transhumanism is, then you should just concede your mistake in associating it with eugenics. Secondly, your fears about transhumanism ending the world are irrelevant to this point.

[VoteThirdParty]

Google the articule "Why the future doesint need us" by Bill Joy,a billinare who invented JAVA not a conspiracy theorist.After you read that try to care about the future of humanity.

[kDest]

I already looked it up. I called your statement "Transhumanism is just another arm of the now secret eugenics movment" a conspiracy theory because it is by definition wrong, unsupported by evidence, and paranoid.

If you really cared about the future, you'd read research articles on the technology instead of pandering to fear.

[avrokneksok]

Not all transhumanists are eugenics, but the once at the top definitly still got it going together with the genethics scientist.

[nerdelicious5]

where was this talk given?

[cybeavertoo]

my god, dr Mengele was nothing in comparison to this guy and the technocentered movement he is chatting about.

[Bridgerboy]

Damn talk about being scared of technology o0 Mengele was a sadist, this guy certainly is not.

[cybeavertoo]

this guy has no clue how to relate to people as persons, to life as divine, but only uses people as means to his technocratic paradise. His way of talking about etnic properties is downright racist, his inability to relativate disturbing. i encounter a lot of these tendencies within this 'transhumanist movement' Overall, transhumanism doesnt seem to relate to life, but to technology and ignorance.

[Bridgerboy]

Ignorance to what exactly? Divine things are only divine because we decide that they are. Poor social interaction skills does not make a bad person, and as far as race goes nothing he has said is incorrect.

[cybeavertoo]

ignorance to the depth of human qualities.

we dont decide anything in the big scheme. Things r essential what they r, whatever we decide about them.

We use definitions to relate, but the truth is not in the definition. I think live is divine because of it not understood completely at the least.

Poor social interaction doesnt make one a bad person, but if actions of malice will spring forth of these inabilities to relate, those actions will. Also if brought in broad contexts and theory.

[Bridgerboy]

Well that doesn't make the singularity or Transhumanism bad. Think we could cure aging, death, disease, cancer. Because smarter by a factor of millions, and our race could cross the stars, what's so bad about that? We should hold back for the sake of giving the universe a sense of mystery?

[cybeavertoo]

the same arguments r used by scientists to defend their often atrocious use of animals in all kinds of humiliating and sadistic experiments, 'for the GOOD of humanity'.

if one looses oneself in the proces of getting further, one looses all.

[cybeavertoo]

those are the precise same arguments used by all kind of practicioners and scientists to defend their atrocious use of animals in all kinds of humiliating and sadistic experiments, for "the GOOD of all (i.e. humans)'.

if one looses oneself in the proces of getting further, one looses all.

[cybeavertoo]

as for racism, if one can seriously draw etno-/geographic lines between people and without any holding back push explicit properties upon its members, one is not just close to racism, but actually using its essential features.

if transhumanism is properly represented here, its a heir to fascist and materialistic tendencies and not to be judged lightly.

[Bridgerboy]

Well what he said is true, he used it to prove a point. Racism is when you discriminate against someone because of their race, not when you believe people are different because of it (the genes show they are even if only superficially). Like I know for a fact that Chinese people one average have a much higher IQ that those of us in the west. It's a simple fact. Does that make me racist? Well no because I still treat them in the same way as I'd treat anyone else.

[Bridgerboy]

Before you condemn the entire Transhuman movement just because it sounds like fascism to you read at least one of the book by someone like Ray Kurzweil and try to understand the reasoning behind it. It actually has very little to do with fascism and more with the evolution of the entire species inclusive of all races.

[lemsip]

@Bridgerboy Evolution should take place naturally not by gassing Jews as Hitler did or by merging man with machines.

[cybeavertoo]

racism defines itself when judgements are based along geo-etnic lines. Racism is indeed not about materialistic descriptions of these lines, like skincolor.

When using averages one should carefully understand not to use them for specific individual judgements, thats where they become racist.

Besides, averages r never real quantities whereupon judgements can b based: a group consisting of 4 zero's and 4 ten's has an average of five. But nobody in the group IS a fiver

Facts r never that simple

[Bridgerboy]

Aha, I think I understand you now. Racism to you would be judging any geo-ethnic group by virtue of them being from a certain location. So I take it you see him as racist for the comments he makes about the Germans thinking in binary and so forth? Well he was simply making a joke and I don't see it as racist (being German myself). I don't think he was making any actual attempt at judgment or discrimination because of course that stereotype is not true across the board.

[Bridgerboy]

And bear in mind the singularity could benefit everyone regardless of who they are or where they come from. As far as the animal rights abuses go 'for the good of humanity', I have mixed feelings about that but I agree with you. This is where I'm a bit of a hypocrite because I still want to reap the benefits of such research. But regardless, there is a clear line between 'keeping the mystery', putting an animal through suffering and then squirt ink into the eyes of children as mengele did.

[Bridgerboy]

(last comment, sorry for the length)

I still don't see why you draw a connection between the sadistic practices of a lunatic such as Mengele. Just because you think that such radical advances in technology may make the world a cold place and take the divinity out of it does not make it so. For instance take fire; we as humans can understand what it is and how it works and how to master it. Dogs can't. But humans and dogs can still be equally entranced by something as simple as a small log fire.

[cybeavertoo]

Sadistic as they were, Mengele's experiments did actual suit a purpose to him. Providing proof for the racial superiority of the arians, and searching methods to improve the human abilities in terms such as can b heard in the speech above.

The fact that the speaker above doesnt seem quite aware of his shallow racism by putting people in geo-etnic corners, makes him a man on a likewise mission. The comparison seems overstressed, but take it from me, people and possibilities make strange marriages

[cybeavertoo]

have u ever seen the sadistic horrors animals r put through for no other reason then to serve another species? I dont have to b an animalrightsactivist to get disgusted by this nasty violence in the name of technological advances. The speaker above is straight out oblivious to this

He, like this transhumanist movement, clearly dont hold his ground in terms of ethics, but in terms of technology, possibility and antropocentricity. There's a fight worth fighting against these shallow tendencies

[cybeavertoo]

this man,prophet of transhumanism,forseeing all inevitable actualisations in technology,making not ONE little remark on ethic awareness, true believer of the church of Biopolis in Singapore (Police-state deluxe) and his big friends like drHuan (swindler) All will happen INEVITABLY,'someone will do it' (will he have the guts?) People, animals, nature, well actually everything if needed and all ethics that make us human can be sacrificed

Well..my ass. U dont get them more protofascist like him

[Bridgerboy]

Aaah I disagree. The only reason anyone is involved in the transhumanist movement is for the good of all humanity. And no animals or people need to be harmed either. In terms of ethics, well as long as no-one gets hurt and nothing gets forced on anyone I don't see anything wrong. Where you see a 'protofascist' I just see someone who needs to be more careful with what he says.

[cybeavertoo]

neglecting ethical considerations to me is already over the line of hurt, hurting other people that do care about the human condition, hurting humanity as a whole.

And even if everyone (u dare say!) involved in this movement is in it for the good, mayb they dont have that clear image of their own actions (not intentions) and of the movement as a whole. Especially in the abscence of well waged human ethics a risk not improbable. So where u c carelessness i see neglectance of the human condition

[cybeavertoo]

but to this man ..yes..'actually all is information', so everything will answer the laws of information, like. Everytime confronted with this worldview i gladly point to Heisenberg's uncertainty principle to make people a little more humble to their aclaimed but shallow understanding of reality as a universal databank.

mingling with reality doesnt mean u will actually know the outcome of ur actions. U dont weigh the future benefits, u weigh the present actions.

[cybeavertoo]

last, but not least, this Singularity-thinking is nothing less then modern apocalyptic selffullfilling prophecy mumblejumble. In the absence of a well defined worldview and ethical anchor, people tend easily to give in to this kind of meaning-defining endstate-theories (u know the Big Attractor of the McKenna brothers? really funny, the Maya-calender being another).

Fight the foul profets! Stay in contact with ur present essence, with the real value of ur own actions.

[Bridgerboy]

I'm out of arguments...I don't gave anything left to say. I'm still not convinced and I don't think I'd convince you either. Where you choose to see things as innately divine and then see technology as ruining divinity I see technology as opening the pathway to a more divine state of being. They're simply two different viewpoints which can't really be proven since ethics are always relative. That being said I don't think this guy and the Transhumanist movement deserve to be compare with Mengele.

[cybeavertoo]

ok we agree to disagree fair enough

[nerdelicious5]

Once we learn how to clone meat and grow it by itself, we won't need to raise and kill animals for food.

[cybeavertoo]

one doesn't 'clone' meat, cloning is a reproductionform of an entire organism.

'Growing by itself' through what? if it doesnt have a mouth and digestive canal from itself? U want 'meat from a vase'? It has to grow on something!

And how r we going to relate to that living tissue in ethical ways?

This sounds a bit like those vegetarians who still want a 'burger', trying to make one from beans and vegetables. Better give up the 'meat-mode', learning to live from other resources.

[nerdelicious5]

Yeah, "clone" was the wrong word, I meant growing large cultures of the muscle cells indoors by some process without having to grow the whole rest of the animal along with it. I don't know how it would work, but it's probably possible. There are probably always going to be people who want to eat meat, even though veggies are healthier.

[avrokneksok]

LOL, veggies are NOT healthier, healthy is what you become when you have a balanced diet, meat contains a lot of enzymes that are vital for the body.

[lemsip]

@cybeavertoo Can't stand hydrolysed protein. Why is it promoted so much at vegan fairs. They should be trying to persuade people to eat more fresh fruit and vegetables and show them how to prepare and cook them.

[lemsip]

@cybeavertoo Most scientists are like that. Many of them are on the autistic spectrum and under the spell of psychopaths who use them. This is why I don't like to see science students specialising in science subjects and would welcome A-Levels being replaced with a Baccalaureate.

[liar0ner]

wheres the third part? dammit :) great lecture.

[frogsquirr3l]

half knowledge and racism are no good combination... "we have cloned every anilmal"-any idea how many species there are? did he really say "like the germans-very digital minded" and rusians show no feelings? how stupid can you get... if transhumanism lets you think that simple and superficial, then i guess you got it wrong.

[Kingneo0053]

I'm guessing the guy that made this video has a PH.D in the field he is talking about. Do you have a PH.D? I think not. Lets not try to critize the fields we have less knowledge in from the guy in the video. Now I have to admit the jokes were, lacking a better word, kinda bland, but ehh can't be good at everything...well until they come up with a way to upload knowledge directly into your central neverous system.

[lemsip]

@Kingneo0053 Having a doctorate doesn't make you ethical though or help you see the bigger picture.

[drvenom2]

What did he say about the singaporean who had cloned himself and that his son was the new ruler thingy?

[krond]

I found Your attempt at racial humor came across as lacking in taste.

[rosmer00]

exelente

[Edward77X]

Muy interesante!