This dude obviously left the church because he is gay, I'm not trying to degrade him for that, but he never mentions that could have been weighing down on him.
Great stuff simply because it is honest and sincere. There is no departure from sincerity to attack or belittle. I hope that anyone who "dislike"s this video is mature enough to not get personal and offended by different viewpoints and experiences.
The church never stopped my from thinking for myself! I have always still been able to do what Joe would do. Sorry you felt like the church stopped you from being you. It's cool that you found peace and happiness.
I think you hit it right on the head though, being true to yourself and honest with yourself is SO important, vitally important in finding true peace.
Your so simple minded it makes me laugh actually. Your so confined to your knowledge and understanding of the world and its science. You can't even see the bigger picture that there is one who exists that doesn't need to confine Himself to the laws of this world? He created it after all.
@SkilledJESDER Hardly simple minded. Religion is bigotry at it's finest. The bible preaches bigotry. Stick to your faith no matter what evidence is shown against it. That sir is closed-minded. I used to be religious, then i decided that I should be open-minded about the world, and that if god really existed, then he could withstand the evidence to the contrary. Well here I am today, now that I actually got educated about the world, I can clearly see there is no god.
yup, what would Kevin do is a much better motto than what would Jesus do. That is clearly our nation's problem, we all are trying to be, like... moral and stuff; and following the teachings of Christ. What we need is to stop doing what anyone else is telling us to do and just do what we feel like doing. That'll solve our issues. Yeah.
I can't get enough of these videos. I'm so happy, you are still here to help others. I'm not even an ex mormon. I'm an ex Jehovah's Witness and you describe my sentiments so closely. I was raised in, so I thought my depression was just how I was and I found it traumatizing when I was kicked out. I didn't know how to think for myself as you described. It's been 7 years and I'm still learning how! Thank you :) You look SO happy
@blueyz424 hello i can feel your joy in your descion there are many not just religous people but folks that have no particular church that are realy feeling what is going on to this planet as the real not any church based thing is happening if you have any clue of what im on about (you tube bashar,magenta pixie .2012 a message of hope)then you will know this planet is about to get realy weire,funcky and exiting we r going where we want to go finaly so relax and enjoy my love to all.
Sure, if I didn't have to worry about my personal responsibility towards God or about my personal salvation, I would be completely stress free as well. It's like they say, ignorance is bliss.
@Mrsingindude1 church bounds ur azz, go freken explore the world. u fucken 1 sided piece of shiets, disgracing mormons, and yes... @Mrsingindude1, this is the real world bitch! Earth is God's prison. We are people, learn 2 respect, or get fucked bitch!
It makes me sad that there are so many Mormons on here not representing my religion. :( I apologize to all of you who are subject to hearing these mean things from so called "Mormons defending their religion." Even though we may not agree I respect all of you.
@Flex4545 Its definately cuz this guy was gay. If this is the best the anti mormons can do theyre just weeding out the trash in my opinion, were better off without closet homos
Here is the bottom line. If you didn't leave the church and become an athiest (which is what I did), then you have some issues. If there was one single church that had the greatest chance of being true and having the answers it would be the mormon church. In reality I strongly believe there is no god and no religion is true, but there is no use bashing this church as their values are much better than other christian churches.
@TheUnsungOne Im sorry that you left that church and became an atheist, I really am because the simple fact is God is real, no matter what your personal belief is. God has revealed himself through creation (Romans 1), through the person and work of Jesus Christ and through His word. There are also new scientific discoveries that point directly toward intelligent design rather than chance happening evolution.
@fmendozajc Um... sorry but you are completely wrong in your logic. How do you know that Jesus was the son of god? How do you know he performed miracles? How do you know that the world was created? Because a 2000 year old book told you? How do you know the book isn't false?
Besides, let me tell you about recent scientific discovery... just the other day a 300 million year old fossil was discovered. The bible teaches that the world is only 6 - 10 thousand years old. (read next post)
@TheUnsungOne Because we are spiritual beings first and foremost, this physical existence that we know now is just for a moment in the vastness of time. We all have this deep sense that we're gonna live forever, even though death is a reality and it comes to everyone, we just have this sense that we are gonna live forever, that deep innate intuition is correct. Furthermore we as humans cannot comprehend death, that death is the end because it is not,death is just a stop along the journey of life
@fmendozajc Scientists and astronomers now know for a fact that the universe is expanding from one central point (evidence of the big bang). Evolution is a proven and demonstrable fact. 91% of scientific institutions reject the idea of intelligent design. The REAL fact is that all evidence show that there is no god and for some reason people are still willing to believe what 2000 year old sand people who thought the world was flat wrote in a book.
@TheUnsungOne im sorry but just because the universe is expanding does not provide evidence for the big bang theory because one can always ask the questions who or what started the big bang, why did the big bang start, where did the foundation compounds of life come from in order for the big bang to occur, how did a random mixture of compounds form such a perfect habitable planet?
@TheUnsungOne and i believe you about the statistic that 91%percent of scientific institutions reject the idea of intelligent design but as science continues to make new discoveries they see the fine tuning in our planet, in our bodies, in the cosmos, everything has a specific purpose and if any factor would to deviate, just a small percentage, it throws everything out of whack. Also when it was first discovered the earth was round, the science of the day rejected that as well
@fmendozajc Do you know why it was so heavily rejected when discovered? Because so many religious organizations taught that the world was flat (including christianity) and to believe that the world was round would be to reject god. And what gave substance to the big bang is called a quantum vacuum, but I highly doubt that level of knowledge is within your range to understand. And if you think that everything is so incredibly fine tuned and that if anything were to be the slightest (next post)
@TheUnsungOne Your are correct that it was primarily the religious institutions of the day that rejected the idea and their reasoning was flawed theology. Today however, just as the religious institutions were in a position of authority then, science is that same authority today. Science is on a god hunt to disprove God. Any scientific evidence that directly points to intelligent design is vehemently opposed by the greater scientific community
@fmendozajc changed, then you sir, are a fool. If our bodies are so perfect, then where do naturally occuring birth defects come from? Where does cancer come from. Clearly our bodies do not function so perfectly since cancer is an inherent part of the human body. Our universe is not so fantastic as you think either. There are litterally thousands of uninhabitable planets that have been discovered, just because one of these planets rolled the dice and (next post)
@TheUnsungOne Im sorry bro but if you feel as if I have offended you any way Im sorry, those are not my intentions, my bluntness in my original comment is how the bible presents it. As far as my intelligence is concerned and my ability to use reason and logic in reference to issues at hand is fairly adequate so if you would care to dive into the quantum vacuum theory for the big bang, Im more than willing to listen to it. Also in reference to our bodies and the natural birth defects (next post)
@TheUnsungOne What I meant to say is when you look at the human body, untampered, undefiled, all its functions firing on all cylinders, its a perfect machine. Every single system is interconnected and dependent upon one another in order to function properly and efficiently. If something fails to function properly, the whole body suffers. It simply is not a chance coincidence that the body in its purest form is, for a lack of better phrase, perfectly made
@fmendozajc America was actually founded by mainly athiests and agnostics. In fact the constitution when written never once mentioned god. The words in god we trust were not inscribed onto american money until well into the 20th century. One nation, under god was added to the pledge, also in the early to mid 20th century. This nation was not founded on god, not even close, but it sure hang heavily on "god" now.
@fmendozajc The body is not at all as perfect as you say. Take out the spleen, the appendix, a kidney and the body still functions without it. Some children are born with too many chromosomes, some too little, causing horrific disfigurements. Did god create them this way? No, this simply happens in the imperfect cellular structure of the gamete... The last known mass extinction event was called the Cretaceous–Tertiary extinction event which killed off the dinosours. (next post)
@fmendozajc And no science is not the authority of the day, it is still religion. An athiest has never been chosen, or to my knowledge ever even run for presidency. Presidents in the past have been basically thrown out of the running because the majority did not agree on their religion (Mitt Romney last election). The senior George Bush even said that he thinks athiests are unamerican, because this nation was founded on god. But what he didn't realize is that (next post)
@TheUnsungOne what is being taught today in our public schools, evolution or creation? What is accepted in science today, evolution or creation? What is science trying to disprove evolution or creation?
@fmendozajc Well, I don't know about you, but in my school we hardly got much education on evolution. AND my teacher was required to tell us that while we were learning about evolution, creationism is also a good alternative to the creation of man kind.
@TheUnsungOne yeah they tell us that in highschool only because they are required by law, but at the college level you know that is not the case, creation is not even brought up as a viable option
@fmendozajc Qunatum physics, or quantum mechanics, deals with certain phenomena which occur at either extremely low, or extremely high energy outputs or with phenomena which occur and very small levels (such as subatomic). It has been observed by scientists using the Massive Haydron Colliders, that by flinging particles through space at nearly the speed of light, we can see new particles form which seemingly have no origin. Obviously since matter can not be created nor destroyed (next post)
@fmendozajc Well a quantum vacuum is (for all intents and purposes) a void, where there are no physical particles. In this void, physical particles (electro-magnetic waves and other particles) come into and out of existence. In other words nothing which brings into existence something.
@fmendozajc This void forms when there is an incredibly low amount of energy. Which would occur when there is nothingness. Which means it virtually comes from nowhere and brings particles into existence. This is observed using both the Large Hadron Colliders and also the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider.
@fmendozajc Sorry, my typing sometimes gets a bit jumbled. I meant "And furthermore, *you assume* that there needs to be a "why". That defies basic logic."
@TheUnsungOne you are correct, i was in a food coma when i responded, what i meant to ask or say, why does a quantum vacuum only occur in a Large Hadron Collider and Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider, shouldn't it occur in a non controlled environment. Like does a quantum vacuum naturally occur in space today? Or has it in recent recorded history?
@fmendozajc Well it's not likely that it happens to often, even in deep space, as even space is filled with energy (radioactive, lightwaves, ect). But before these lightwaves and radioacive energy (given off by stars), in other words, before our universe, this would have occured frequently. The reason we see this in the colliders is because, at near light speed, when a particle flies through space, it takes a certain amount of time for the space behind that particle (next post)
@TheUnsungOne to again fill with energy and light. It's like when you see cars race, and one car drafts off anothers air wake. That space behind the car as it drives is basically an air "vacuum" where it takes a certain amount of time for that space to again fill with air after the car passes. The same thing happens with these particles, while energy and light take time (incredibly fast though it is) to again fill that space after the particle passes. This forms a quantum vacuum.
@fmendozajc Well when there was nothingness, or at least as we see it, an absence of our universe, an incredibly large quantum vacuum would have occured (since there would have been no energy in the empty space). This massive void brought into existence the singularity that caused the big band.
@fmendozajc yes, but a few things you have to consider. In science, a hypothesis does not become a theory until there is a very large amount of evidence supporting it. AND not only does the science and physics of it make sense (unlike the science and physics behind the idea of a creator) but it has evidence to support it (again, unlike the idea of a creator). So I think i'll take the thing that actually is possible, vs the fairy tale.
@TheUnsungOne I understand your view point, i understand your reasoning, its logical thinking. The one thing you are lacking however is the understanding that we are spiritual beings first and foremost. You can try and reason this fact away as many others have but it still remains true. Every religion acknowledges that there is something wrong within our very being, from christianity, to hinduism, to buddhism, to tribal religions. They all acknowledge that life as we know it is not ultimate (nex
@The UnsungOne that there is something more to our existence. You grasped this at one point as you were a member of a church but you left and chose to deny that awareness for whatever reason. Bro, im telling, the is more to life than just the physical and what science can explain, I assure you. Now as far as the science that supports intelligent design, I can refer you to a video, The Case for A Creator by Lee Strobel, you can watch clips of it on youtube. Its interesting material
@fmendozajc I was born into a religious family, never, from the time I was born, believing any of it. I simply left mormonism because the idea of god itself always seemed to me like a joke and a fairy tale. It's wishful thinking. It's people who mistake the release of endorphins in the body as something magic. It's a chemical reaction that gives the sensation of uphoria. Not a magical being sending good fussy feelings to you.
@TheUnsungOne "never, from the time I was born, believing any of it" I find that hard to believe because in your original comment to which i responded you stated "If there was one single church that had the greatest chance of being true and having the answers it would be the mormon church". Granted I spoke against the mormon church also but what I infer from that statement that at one time you were entertaining, contemplating, debating if God was real or not, if the church was true (next post)
@TheUnsungOne or not, obviously you chose to leave the church and reject the notion of an all creator God thus shutting off your spiritual awareness. I assure you though that God is real and as many others can attest because God speaks to our hearts and souls, something that can never be measured by science or anything in the physical world
@fmendozajc Of course it can't be measured by science or the physical world... that's because it's not real. Look it's obvious you are incredibly uneducated, very gullible, and that for some reason you want to believe that something greater than you loves you, but there is just no such thing. If god was really out there and wanted us to know that he loved us, then why does he work so hard to hide from us. He never shows up to anyone, never talks to anyone and makes sure that (next post)
@TheUnsungOne are you sure He never shows up to anyone, that He never talks to anyone because I know of plenty of accounts where He has shown up and speaks directly to individuals. And there is evidence of His existence, Romans 1:20, now whether you choose to accept the evidence that He has given you is up to you, but we are without excuse
@fmendozajc How do you figure that Romans 1:20 is proof of god's existence? Honestly I think you have a serious problem with using logic. It's not that I don't accept the evidence for god, it's that I have never once seen any evidence. And peoples accounts of seeing god are not even close to reliable evidence of god's existence. A patient at a mental institution once told me that he was visited by goblins in the night. Does that count as evidence for the existence of goblins?
@TheUnsungOne Romans 1:20 states "For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse" He has revealed Himself through creation, whether you choose to accept it is a completely different topic, but He has revealed Himself through the physical world.
@TheUnsungOne As far as individuals that receive revelation directly from God, we have the Holy Spirit to confirm or deny that revelation. Jesus warned us that there would be false prophets, witness, and wolves within the Church, but He sent us the Holy Spirit, God Himself to help us in these matters. As far as my use of logic, understand this, you can never use something from the physical world, science, to explain something that is spiritual, God. To do so defies basic logic.
@fmendozajc I understood what Romans 1:20 was about and what it meant, the problem is, you claim that to be evidence. How has his invisible qualities been clearly seen? Because the bible claims that a supreme being created the world, even though science has a much more reliable and probable explanation for how it happened? When i was a church goer and I felt that "holy spirit" tell me something was true, I believed that it was the holy spirit. The guess what (next post)
@TheUnsungOne His invisible qualities have been seen by the way the universe works, the way are planet works, how everything is in cohesion with another. This world, this universe is too complex to have simply happened, or to have developed over billions of years. Life is simply too complex.
@fmendozajc I got that EXACT same feeling when I discovered that god wasn't real. All that sensation is, is a release of endorphins in the body, caused by the brain receiving a piece of information that it likes. The brain then released endorphins which causes excitement and a feeling of euphoria.
@TheUnsungOne Im sorry you cannot understand the Holy Spirit by relating it to the physical world. We have hearts, we have souls and God speaks directly to that.
@fmendozajc By what basis do you assume that life is too complex? Why would you assume that life can't naturally be complex? If you are referring to irreducible complexity then you are far worse off then I thought. Irreducible complexity has been proven false over, and over, and over, and over again. Also, plz answer my question. Do you believe the bible was divinely inspired and that god guided it's creation?
@TheUnsungOne Yes I use irreducible complexity as a basis from science for the evidence of intelligent design, specifically God. I understand that it is rejected by the larger scientific community and I understand that you reject it as well, but I do not base my evidence for God on the physical but rather on the fact that we are spiritual beings first and foremost. There is more to this life beyond the physical, I know you choose to deny it, based on the lack of concrete physical evidence (next)
@TheUnsungOne that you desire for the existence of an all creator God, but there will never be that evidence that you seek. God speaks to your heart, your soul, not human understanding or its wisdom.
@fmendozajc Let me ask you something.. Do you believe that the bible was divinely inspired and that the creation of the bible was guided by gods hand?
@TheUnsungOne Yes I do. It was written by 40 different authors with 66 different books all pointing to one central figure, Jesus Christ. I understand the varying arguments against this belief, but that still does not nullify the validity of God's word.
@fmendozajc So then you believe that everything in the bible is true then, correct? Even that god commanded people to murder innocent women and children? Even that god is a racist? Which part do you believe, when Jesus says that he IS god or when he actually TALKS to god?
@TheUnsungOne Yes I believe in the entirety of the bible, not in reference to how you put it because God never commands anyone to be murdered. Put to death and kill yes but never murder, also God is not a racist that is simply false as Jesus would have not commanded His followers to preach the gospel to all nations and creatures. Yes Jesus is God and speaks to God the Father as well as God the Holy Spirit. Yes I know its a difficult concept to grasp but thats how God is. It is not up (next post)
@TheUnsungOne to us to decide how God is or is not. His ways are not our ways and they will forever be mysterious to us til the day of His second coming.
@TheUnsungOne nothing is exempt from the bible, Jesus said that He did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it, everything in the bible is true whether you choose to believe or not. Now as far comprehension comes along thats entirely a different subject, but the bible will remain true for all of eternity.
@fmendozajc The you find it okay that god promotes and encourages genocide, the murder of infants, rape, kidnapping, and racism (just a few of the horrible things that god has done). With a god that does these things, why shouldn't I question him. Let just say that if god is real, you should be worshipping me, cause I've never done any of those things. It's like a father who beats their child every night and then tells them "I'm your father and I know what's best for you (next post)
@TheUnsungOne if you could point out the verse that refers to the issues you have with God, I would love to read them. Also I assure you that your personal view of God is warped and false
@fmendozajc OMG man you are blind and stupid. It's not my personal view. IT'S IN THE BIBLE. IT. IS. HOW. GOD. IS. If you believe in the bible as a whole (which you say you do) then you have to believe that god is a child murder, rapist and racist. It is not dissputable. If you don't believe those things, then you don't believe in the bible. Plain and simple.
@TheUnsungOne "then you have to believe that god is a child murder, rapist and racist."if you are so sure of this claim please show where these verses are that refer God as what you just mentioned
@TheUnsungOne Both the passages refer God issuing out His righteous judgment upon those people who chose to worship false Gods and did evil to the Israleties, His chosen people. In the passage from exodus that was the tenth plague that God had issued out upon Egypt because the Pharaoh chose to not release His chosen people. In Numbers, the Midianities had led some the of Israelites astray and led them to be unfaithful in which God sent a plague upon the Israelites that killed a number of them
@TheUnsungOne "This very day I will being to put the terror and fear of you on all the nations under heaven. They will hear reports of you and will tremble and be in anguish because of you." Deuteronomy 2:25
This is the reason for the acts that were committed in the passage you referenced
@TheUnsungOne This passage refers to a prophecy that has not yet occured as it is referring to the Day of the Lord, Jesus Christ's second coming, its a wrath against all who have not accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior
In these verses, not only does god command people to slaughter innocent children and infants, but he also commands them to rape the women. God let's some races do this to other races. Genocide is the name of the game. And god revels in it.
@TheUnsungOne The thing that you also have to understand is sin and what it takes to have sin be wiped away. Sin can only be cleared by the payment of death, that is why God had the nation of Israel issue sacrifices for their sins. Any sin that is committed against God will be repayed by death. That is why Jesus Christ came not to condemn the world but to save it through His death. His death was issued as payment for all of our sins
@fmendozajc This is ridiculous. I can't believe you are trying to justify god slaughtering innocent women, children and infants. I can tell you this, I am a better man than god. You are a better man than god. And if the day comes that I pass on and I find out that god is real, I will walk away and reject him. He can give me whatever punishment he chooses, but I will not stand along-side that murderer. /watch?v=DBezvtQ_3a8
@TheUnsungOne Bro I assure you that God is not a murderer, I know the verses that you pointed out speak of His wrath, which is great as His word depicts, but God is a being full of mercy and grace. Mercy and grace that proceed His wrath. Believe me when I tell you that your view of God and His word is warped. Also you and I are not as good as you think, especially when you compare ourselves to God's goodness and holiness. Also the link you posted does not work
@fmendozajc So don't believe that the murder of innocent children and infants is never, under any circumstances okay? You think that there are certain circumstance where it is justified to brutal murder children who have never consciously done anything wrong in their lives? also if you type youtube(dot)com/watch?v=DBezvtQ_3a8 the link should work perfectly (replace (dot) with . )
@TheUnsungOne Again i tell you that your perception of God and His word is simply false. Also I refer you again to 1 Corinthians 1:27-29 because the video you referred me to tries to use science for the existence of God when God is a spiritual being. He cannot be explained by science, the physical, philosophy or the greatest human understanding that one can achieve. All the knowledge in all the world, will not allow one to explain God even though thats how you want the existence of God
@fmendozajc I... I... just don't know where to begin with you man. That video I reffered you to had nothing to do with science... it was all logical. And I think it's awfully convenient for you to say he's spiritual. That just allows you to shove off the lack of evidence for his existence as something unexplainable. It should be explainable, otherwise it's not real. Spiritual in this sense is just another word for non-existent.
@TheUnsungOne The video's logic was all based on scientific evidence was it not? I also put a catch all phrase " the greatest human understanding that one can achieve" which entails the use of logic. Also explain to me how it is convenient for me to say it is a spiritual thing and cannot be explained by science. How can that be convenient for me when I trying to explain to you that God is real, please tell me how is that convenient? I wish I could give you the physical, scientific, (next post)
@fmendozajc logical evidence that you desire, but God does not work that way. The bible also says that man will always be learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth. Mankind will always continue to learn and grow and make new discoveries about our planet and universe but if they only see life through the lens of the physical and human understanding, mankind will never come to know the existence of God.
@fmendozajc This bit of circular reasoning is silly as can be. "There is plenty of evidence for god's existence, but it's all spiritual so you can't see the evidence." So how do you know that there is even evidence? "Well the bible tells me so." How do you know the bible is true. "Cause it's the word of god." How do you know it's the word of god? "because the bible tells me so." How do you know the bible is true? "because it's the word of god." It's bigotry bullshit is what it is.
@fmendozajc How do you know that there is anything spiritual in existence? And self-experience is not an answer, it needs to be something observable or there is no reason to assume that it exists.
@fmendozajc Yes, I have. It's funny you should mention that because I have had a near-death experience too. When I was 17, I drowned in Bear Lake during a swim. When I passed out under the water, I remember seeing a garden full a magical creatures like werewolves and fairies. (I was dead for nearly a fully minute before i was luckily revived by CPR) When a person dies, the brain is the last thing in the body to shut down. (next post)
@fmendozajc The other organs shut themselves down and the body uses the resources to power the brain as long as possible. It is not at all unusual for people to see all sorts of strange things when dying. That is why people report flashbacks and bright lights when they have near death experiences, because you are not actually fully dead when seeing these things. The brain still functions minimally. So to say that you still saw stuff when you nearly died (next post)
@fmendozajc , therefore, god must exist, is just pure ignorance. That being said, what makes Don Piper's experience any more reliable than mine as evidence for the existence of god?
@fmendozajc You act as if coming back from 90 minutes of pronounced death is is this rare and wonderful thing and that someones nearly brain-dead vision while in this state is proof of god. It doesn't matter how long it was that he was "dead", the fact is that the body can keep the brain alive for very long amounts of time, especially in cold environments. Now if he had been dead for around 4 hours, when the bacterias in the body began to decompose him from the inside out (next post),
@fmendozajc Then I would be impressed, and I would say that you were onto something, but unfortunately science rules this one again, as I learned in college biology the bodies (quite amazing) ability to keep the brain. As I said before, I think this is evidence of evolution through natural selection, since god obviously wouldn't put such mechanisms in the body. After all, (with god) when it's your time to go, it's your time to go. If god was real the body wouldn't fight to stay alive.
@TheUnsungOne alright if you believe its not a rare thing for a human being to be pronounced dead for 90 mins, not a near death experience, but actual death, then fine thats your belief. Have you heard the story of Colton Burpo?
@fmendozajc You have this false idea that if a doctor (who can only see death based on vital signs like heartbeat and breathing) pronounces somebody dead, that they are actually dead. Truth is that synapses in the brain can still fire off long after heartbeat and breathing are no longer detectable. It's not like when a doctor says "Okay, he is dead" the person actually dies. If he was revived, then it was near-death, not actual full blown death.
@fmendozajc have you ever heard of balloon boy? Coltons Burpo's vision is a publicity stunt/hoax designed to get people to join his father's ministry. Oh did you not know that his father was a minister? ya that adds a bit of bias and partiality, doesn't it? The only problem is that unlike balloon boys case, Colton Burpo's story can't be proven. Pretty sick father to make his son lie to the nation in order to make people believe in god.
@TheUnsungOne alright bro, well im sorry that a story such as Colton Burpo's is a publicity stunt/hoax to you, I really am. The fact that his father is a minister has nothing to do with the validity of Colton's account of heaven. I know that you see it as bias but it really has nothing to do with it. If you look more into the whole story you will see that the facts of the actual account will prove to be true.
@fmendozajc have you ever heard of balloon boy? Coltons Burpo's vision is a publicity stunt/hoax designed to get people to join his father's ministry. Oh did you not know that his father was a minister? ya that adds a bit of bias and partiality, doesn't it? The only problem is that unlike balloon boys case, Colton Burpo's story can't be proven. Pretty sick father to make his son lie to the nation in order to make people believe in god.
@fmendozajc I've heard many stories similar to this. "He couldn't have known that." "we didn't tell him that information before this happened." They pretty much all turned out to be fake.
@fmendozajc Funny she paints Jesus to look exactly like the paintings of others before her. People who flat out said they had no idea what Jesus actually looked like. Have you ever heard of Sevant Syndrome? It's basically where someone with a disability (even people with slight disabilities) develops an amazing gift because of this disability. Usually do to the use or growth of a specific part of the brain. (next post)
@fmendozajc There are plenty of sevants with far more amazing gifts than hers. One man has remembered the weather of every day since he was 9. Another man can recite 10,000 digits of pie simply by doing the calculation is his head. There are a few other equally amazing artist sevants. One sevant you may have heard of was known as the "rain man" Who could read a 400 page book in a little under a half an hour and memorize 98% of what he read. That man was SEVERLY autistic. (next post)
@fmendozajc The point is that her story is once again nothing new and unimaginable. Personal experience/story is a poor way to determine whether or not god exists. These stories are either unfascinating, lies, people with mental problems, scams, etc. And there are just as many stories aiming the other direction. So let's stop basing our eternal salvation on other peoples potential falsities and get back to stating some facts. Fact #1, there have been far more elaborate religious scams.
@TheUnsungOne No she does not paint Jesus as other's before, its more striking vivid and even a more modern look. Second, she is not a sevant, does not have a slight disability whatsoever and a personal experience/story is poor way for the existence of God for you. If you want facts, study the life of Jesus Christ. No other figure in human history is more controversial than Jesus of Nazareth. He was not a political leader, world leader, or a philosopher. He was a simple man, with a (next post)
@TheUnsungOne stunning message and mission. That He is God incarnate here to save humanity. Either Jesus Christ was a complete raving lunatic or His witness of Himself is true. Also you are right that there have been a numerous elaborate religious scams, within various denominations and religions. That still does not nullify God or His word.
@TheUnsungOne Also the vision of Jesus that Akaine had is confirmed by Colton also as when he saw her painting of Jesus, Colton said it was exactly right.
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You might be interested in this TED talk about suspended animation, very incredible video! I cued it up for you so it starts 3minutes into the talk where he talks about an example of human beings in suspended animation:
watch?v=uVAaZVz9pDs#t=3m9s
At the end of his talk he says "A miracle? We hope not! Or maybe we just hope to make miracles a little more common."
@iamanexmormon interesting video, the only question that I have is that does everyone who has a near death experience or in the case of Don Piper, actually pronounced dead, do they enter a state of suspended animation? Furthermore do the individuals that he mentioned have any sort of visions or consciousness of another reality?
@fmendozajc Just a bit of an additive, I dare say that, if you ask me the body shutting down in a particular order in order to save vital organs (brain, heart) is evidence of natural selection and evidence against god.
@fmendozajc So the kid grows up thinking that his father beating him was normal and good for him. Have you ever thought that maybe your god actually evil and is just telling you he's good. After all, he does like when his children rape and murder each other.
@fmendozajc As far as irreducible complexity goes, I'm sorry you have fallen for that bullshit and actually took it as verifiable science. There are a large number of cases in which organisms naturally became more complex over time. I refer you to talkorigins(dot)org. Or even faster, /watch?v=SSxgnu3Hww8
@fmendozajc and makes sure that no evidence is ever found for his existence... why? please tell me why he want people not to believe he is real. Because he sure works real hard to do so.
@TheUnsungOne its not that I want to believe, I have no choice, I know without a shadow of a doubt that God is real, I cannot deny Him even if I tried or wanted. I never desired to have someone greater than myself to love, never gave much thought to Him. I was not broken or going through a hard time when I first accepted Him into my life. By human standards I was living a normal life with no hardships to speak of. When someone began to speak to me about Him, I just knew it was true (next post)
@fmendozajc and my life has changed ever since. Also its not that God wants people not to believe He is real, He just does not work according to our way of thinking. 1 Corinthians 1:27-29
@fmendozajc Big bang being substantiated by the FACT that the universe is observably expanding from one central point. Quantum vacuum being substantiated by it's observable occurrence is low to no energy environments. Intelligent Design being substantiated by... um... um.... yeah.
@fmendozajc After re-reading my own writing I made a few mistakes. 1. Quantum vaccum is actualyl a low energy (zero-point field) quantum phenomena. 2. "phenomena which occor *at* very small levels".
@fmendozajc was one of thousands to be habitable, does not mean that it is in any way special or that anything supernatural had to intervene for it to occur. If it had been another planet in another solar system that was habitable (such planets do exist) that we lived on, you would think that god has designated that one too. Plus throughout history many catastrophies have occured on our planet that have shifted it's trajectory and composition, such as the (next post)
@TheUnsungOne Massive meteor that struck earth millions of years ago. It nearly whiped life clean off the earth, but the earth is not so fine tuned as you think, because such a disaster did not make it uninhabitable. The habitability of a planet is not this superfantastic one in 200 trillion thing, it's really not that hard to do.
@TheUnsungOne If you could, I would like you to direct me to the evidence, concrete evidence that supports a massive meteor striking the earth. Also I would like to hear of the other habitable planets that are in our universe and your expanded reasoning as to why the habitability of our planet is not a hard or rare thing to come by
@TheUnsungOne And im sorry but the mormon church does not have it right, they have completely false doctrine and they do preach another gospel, Galatians 1:8 is what those who preach another gospel will receive. Im extremely glad that you left that church but you still have to answer to God on the day of Judgement, everyone does, those who believe in Him and those who do not
@TheUnsungOne im sorry but the video is wrong as well simply because our english word for fool is not the same in hebrew, in hebrew it refers to someone who is morally deficient. Now it is not speaking to our standard of morality or even the highest human standard of morality but to God's, the morality and goodness of God compared to ours will always be deficient. Thats who the bible refers to as fools, those who believe our morality is greater than God's
@fmendozajc You once again have flawed logic. The scripture it refers to does not say that the fool in his heart has said that he is greater than god, it says, "the fool in his heart has said, THERE IS NO GOD." Meaning that the bible thinks athiests are fools. Not that anybody needs a video to know that that is completely false, but that video has many great examples of how clearly false that scripture is. The more educated one becomes, the less likely god becomes. Listen to reason.
@TheUnsungOne Im sorry if I were to say there is no God, that my God does not exist then I am directly saying that I am greater than Him. My thoughts, my reasoning, my knowledge, my understanding of the world is greater than that of His word and the revelation that He has given us already. Also true knowledge, true understanding is not gaining more worldly facts or attaining a high level of intelligence, It is simply knowing God.
@fmendozajc And lastly, you assume that in the original hebrew version of the bible, the hebrew word for fool was used. Perhaps the hebrew word for idiot was used and when it was translated it became fool in english.
I'm an ex mormon as well. I would LOVE to do one of these videos.
vannamaeee 8 hours ago
This dude obviously left the church because he is gay, I'm not trying to degrade him for that, but he never mentions that could have been weighing down on him.
bigcase79 17 hours ago
Great stuff simply because it is honest and sincere. There is no departure from sincerity to attack or belittle. I hope that anyone who "dislike"s this video is mature enough to not get personal and offended by different viewpoints and experiences.
dboyd5150 21 hours ago
its funny how every exmormon video has more likes than dislikes, and with iamamormon its the contrary.
robtroy65 1 day ago
The church never stopped my from thinking for myself! I have always still been able to do what Joe would do. Sorry you felt like the church stopped you from being you. It's cool that you found peace and happiness.
I think you hit it right on the head though, being true to yourself and honest with yourself is SO important, vitally important in finding true peace.
Being a mormon won't automatically do it.
NOT being a mormon won't automatically do it.
It's about truly know YOU!
joefreeborn 2 days ago
Fuck man. That part about the plane crash was amazing.
I used to hope as a jehovah's witness child/teen that someone would draw a gun on me at the door and kill me.
exjwconfessions 2 days ago
well being gay cant of been easy
red88ization 2 days ago
And he created you. Remember that.
SkilledJESDER 3 days ago
Your so simple minded it makes me laugh actually. Your so confined to your knowledge and understanding of the world and its science. You can't even see the bigger picture that there is one who exists that doesn't need to confine Himself to the laws of this world? He created it after all.
SkilledJESDER 3 days ago
@SkilledJESDER Hardly simple minded. Religion is bigotry at it's finest. The bible preaches bigotry. Stick to your faith no matter what evidence is shown against it. That sir is closed-minded. I used to be religious, then i decided that I should be open-minded about the world, and that if god really existed, then he could withstand the evidence to the contrary. Well here I am today, now that I actually got educated about the world, I can clearly see there is no god.
TheUnsungOne 3 days ago
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It's easier to lose faith than to keep it
agelessrocker 3 days ago
yup, what would Kevin do is a much better motto than what would Jesus do. That is clearly our nation's problem, we all are trying to be, like... moral and stuff; and following the teachings of Christ. What we need is to stop doing what anyone else is telling us to do and just do what we feel like doing. That'll solve our issues. Yeah.
mississippi100002 3 days ago
it took these people there hole lives to realize that the mormon church is BULLSHIT!?! I realized that it was bullshit when i was 10.
bugtkz 4 days ago
Shortest comment in the comment section, GO!
TheParodyPlaza 4 days ago
Claiming the Bible provides evidence for God is like saying comic books provide evidence for the existence of Superman.
zizekable 1 week ago
I can't get enough of these videos. I'm so happy, you are still here to help others. I'm not even an ex mormon. I'm an ex Jehovah's Witness and you describe my sentiments so closely. I was raised in, so I thought my depression was just how I was and I found it traumatizing when I was kicked out. I didn't know how to think for myself as you described. It's been 7 years and I'm still learning how! Thank you :) You look SO happy
blueyz424 1 week ago
@blueyz424 hello i can feel your joy in your descion there are many not just religous people but folks that have no particular church that are realy feeling what is going on to this planet as the real not any church based thing is happening if you have any clue of what im on about (you tube bashar,magenta pixie .2012 a message of hope)then you will know this planet is about to get realy weire,funcky and exiting we r going where we want to go finaly so relax and enjoy my love to all.
mrsmelloopy 1 week ago
Sure, if I didn't have to worry about my personal responsibility towards God or about my personal salvation, I would be completely stress free as well. It's like they say, ignorance is bliss.
101mythbuster 1 week ago
Thanks Kevin, I couldn't have said it better myself.
hamsonb 1 week ago
I have no freaking idea if you are for Mormonism or not.
stvnkndsn 2 weeks ago
u look gay
bbbyyyzzz 2 weeks ago
@bbbyyyzzz fuck off asshole
Mrsingindude1 2 weeks ago
@Mrsingindude1 church bounds ur azz, go freken explore the world. u fucken 1 sided piece of shiets, disgracing mormons, and yes... @Mrsingindude1, this is the real world bitch! Earth is God's prison. We are people, learn 2 respect, or get fucked bitch!
bbbyyyzzz 2 weeks ago
@bbbyyyzzz oh now ur really scaring me. if its so discracful, dont watch it dumbassss! go to church little boy and get a life.
Mrsingindude1 1 week ago
Where is Joseph Smith's grave? I want to shit in his skull.
testiclesDOTca 2 weeks ago
It makes me sad that there are so many Mormons on here not representing my religion. :( I apologize to all of you who are subject to hearing these mean things from so called "Mormons defending their religion." Even though we may not agree I respect all of you.
andrewmeeks18 2 weeks ago
Cause seriously, I'm not slandering you. You're gay. You need to have a talk with your daughter. And tell her you're gay.
Flex4545 2 weeks ago
Is it cause you're gay?
Flex4545 2 weeks ago
@Flex4545 Its definately cuz this guy was gay. If this is the best the anti mormons can do theyre just weeding out the trash in my opinion, were better off without closet homos
MrAmericanpatriot18 2 weeks ago
Here is the bottom line. If you didn't leave the church and become an athiest (which is what I did), then you have some issues. If there was one single church that had the greatest chance of being true and having the answers it would be the mormon church. In reality I strongly believe there is no god and no religion is true, but there is no use bashing this church as their values are much better than other christian churches.
TheUnsungOne 3 weeks ago
@TheUnsungOne Im sorry that you left that church and became an atheist, I really am because the simple fact is God is real, no matter what your personal belief is. God has revealed himself through creation (Romans 1), through the person and work of Jesus Christ and through His word. There are also new scientific discoveries that point directly toward intelligent design rather than chance happening evolution.
fmendozajc 2 weeks ago
@fmendozajc Um... sorry but you are completely wrong in your logic. How do you know that Jesus was the son of god? How do you know he performed miracles? How do you know that the world was created? Because a 2000 year old book told you? How do you know the book isn't false?
Besides, let me tell you about recent scientific discovery... just the other day a 300 million year old fossil was discovered. The bible teaches that the world is only 6 - 10 thousand years old. (read next post)
TheUnsungOne 2 weeks ago
@TheUnsungOne Because we are spiritual beings first and foremost, this physical existence that we know now is just for a moment in the vastness of time. We all have this deep sense that we're gonna live forever, even though death is a reality and it comes to everyone, we just have this sense that we are gonna live forever, that deep innate intuition is correct. Furthermore we as humans cannot comprehend death, that death is the end because it is not,death is just a stop along the journey of life
fmendozajc 2 weeks ago
@fmendozajc Scientists and astronomers now know for a fact that the universe is expanding from one central point (evidence of the big bang). Evolution is a proven and demonstrable fact. 91% of scientific institutions reject the idea of intelligent design. The REAL fact is that all evidence show that there is no god and for some reason people are still willing to believe what 2000 year old sand people who thought the world was flat wrote in a book.
TheUnsungOne 2 weeks ago
@TheUnsungOne im sorry but just because the universe is expanding does not provide evidence for the big bang theory because one can always ask the questions who or what started the big bang, why did the big bang start, where did the foundation compounds of life come from in order for the big bang to occur, how did a random mixture of compounds form such a perfect habitable planet?
fmendozajc 2 weeks ago
@TheUnsungOne and i believe you about the statistic that 91%percent of scientific institutions reject the idea of intelligent design but as science continues to make new discoveries they see the fine tuning in our planet, in our bodies, in the cosmos, everything has a specific purpose and if any factor would to deviate, just a small percentage, it throws everything out of whack. Also when it was first discovered the earth was round, the science of the day rejected that as well
fmendozajc 2 weeks ago
@fmendozajc Do you know why it was so heavily rejected when discovered? Because so many religious organizations taught that the world was flat (including christianity) and to believe that the world was round would be to reject god. And what gave substance to the big bang is called a quantum vacuum, but I highly doubt that level of knowledge is within your range to understand. And if you think that everything is so incredibly fine tuned and that if anything were to be the slightest (next post)
TheUnsungOne 2 weeks ago
@TheUnsungOne Your are correct that it was primarily the religious institutions of the day that rejected the idea and their reasoning was flawed theology. Today however, just as the religious institutions were in a position of authority then, science is that same authority today. Science is on a god hunt to disprove God. Any scientific evidence that directly points to intelligent design is vehemently opposed by the greater scientific community
fmendozajc 2 weeks ago
@fmendozajc I've got to go for the moment, but perhaps when I get back I'll talk a little quantum Vacuum with you.
TheUnsungOne 1 week ago
@fmendozajc changed, then you sir, are a fool. If our bodies are so perfect, then where do naturally occuring birth defects come from? Where does cancer come from. Clearly our bodies do not function so perfectly since cancer is an inherent part of the human body. Our universe is not so fantastic as you think either. There are litterally thousands of uninhabitable planets that have been discovered, just because one of these planets rolled the dice and (next post)
TheUnsungOne 2 weeks ago
@TheUnsungOne Im sorry bro but if you feel as if I have offended you any way Im sorry, those are not my intentions, my bluntness in my original comment is how the bible presents it. As far as my intelligence is concerned and my ability to use reason and logic in reference to issues at hand is fairly adequate so if you would care to dive into the quantum vacuum theory for the big bang, Im more than willing to listen to it. Also in reference to our bodies and the natural birth defects (next post)
fmendozajc 2 weeks ago
@TheUnsungOne What I meant to say is when you look at the human body, untampered, undefiled, all its functions firing on all cylinders, its a perfect machine. Every single system is interconnected and dependent upon one another in order to function properly and efficiently. If something fails to function properly, the whole body suffers. It simply is not a chance coincidence that the body in its purest form is, for a lack of better phrase, perfectly made
fmendozajc 2 weeks ago
@fmendozajc America was actually founded by mainly athiests and agnostics. In fact the constitution when written never once mentioned god. The words in god we trust were not inscribed onto american money until well into the 20th century. One nation, under god was added to the pledge, also in the early to mid 20th century. This nation was not founded on god, not even close, but it sure hang heavily on "god" now.
TheUnsungOne 1 week ago
@TheUnsungOne I agree with everything that you said in this post, they're all facts
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@fmendozajc The body is not at all as perfect as you say. Take out the spleen, the appendix, a kidney and the body still functions without it. Some children are born with too many chromosomes, some too little, causing horrific disfigurements. Did god create them this way? No, this simply happens in the imperfect cellular structure of the gamete... The last known mass extinction event was called the Cretaceous–Tertiary extinction event which killed off the dinosours. (next post)
TheUnsungOne 1 week ago
@fmendozajc And no science is not the authority of the day, it is still religion. An athiest has never been chosen, or to my knowledge ever even run for presidency. Presidents in the past have been basically thrown out of the running because the majority did not agree on their religion (Mitt Romney last election). The senior George Bush even said that he thinks athiests are unamerican, because this nation was founded on god. But what he didn't realize is that (next post)
TheUnsungOne 1 week ago
@TheUnsungOne what is being taught today in our public schools, evolution or creation? What is accepted in science today, evolution or creation? What is science trying to disprove evolution or creation?
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@fmendozajc Well, I don't know about you, but in my school we hardly got much education on evolution. AND my teacher was required to tell us that while we were learning about evolution, creationism is also a good alternative to the creation of man kind.
TheUnsungOne 1 week ago
@TheUnsungOne yeah they tell us that in highschool only because they are required by law, but at the college level you know that is not the case, creation is not even brought up as a viable option
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@fmendozajc Let me ask you this... are you familiar with what quantum physics deals with?
TheUnsungOne 1 week ago
@TheUnsungOne no sir but I would love to hear about it
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@fmendozajc Qunatum physics, or quantum mechanics, deals with certain phenomena which occur at either extremely low, or extremely high energy outputs or with phenomena which occur and very small levels (such as subatomic). It has been observed by scientists using the Massive Haydron Colliders, that by flinging particles through space at nearly the speed of light, we can see new particles form which seemingly have no origin. Obviously since matter can not be created nor destroyed (next post)
TheUnsungOne 1 week ago
@fmendozajc these particles do have an origin. The origin of these particles is a quantum vacuum (high energy quantum phenomenon).
TheUnsungOne 1 week ago
@TheUnsungOne alright i get everything up until the quantum vacuum, where does that come from?
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@fmendozajc Well a quantum vacuum is (for all intents and purposes) a void, where there are no physical particles. In this void, physical particles (electro-magnetic waves and other particles) come into and out of existence. In other words nothing which brings into existence something.
TheUnsungOne 1 week ago
@TheUnsungOne alright you explained what a quantum vacuum is, i undersand that now, but that void, where does it come from, why is it there?
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@fmendozajc This void forms when there is an incredibly low amount of energy. Which would occur when there is nothingness. Which means it virtually comes from nowhere and brings particles into existence. This is observed using both the Large Hadron Colliders and also the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider.
TheUnsungOne 1 week ago
@fmendozajc And furthermore, assume think that there needs to be a "why". That defies basic logic.
TheUnsungOne 1 week ago
@fmendozajc Sorry, my typing sometimes gets a bit jumbled. I meant "And furthermore, *you assume* that there needs to be a "why". That defies basic logic."
TheUnsungOne 1 week ago
@TheUnsungOne you are correct, i was in a food coma when i responded, what i meant to ask or say, why does a quantum vacuum only occur in a Large Hadron Collider and Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider, shouldn't it occur in a non controlled environment. Like does a quantum vacuum naturally occur in space today? Or has it in recent recorded history?
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@fmendozajc Well it's not likely that it happens to often, even in deep space, as even space is filled with energy (radioactive, lightwaves, ect). But before these lightwaves and radioacive energy (given off by stars), in other words, before our universe, this would have occured frequently. The reason we see this in the colliders is because, at near light speed, when a particle flies through space, it takes a certain amount of time for the space behind that particle (next post)
TheUnsungOne 1 week ago
@TheUnsungOne to again fill with energy and light. It's like when you see cars race, and one car drafts off anothers air wake. That space behind the car as it drives is basically an air "vacuum" where it takes a certain amount of time for that space to again fill with air after the car passes. The same thing happens with these particles, while energy and light take time (incredibly fast though it is) to again fill that space after the particle passes. This forms a quantum vacuum.
TheUnsungOne 1 week ago
@TheUnsungOne alright how can then all the particles and low level energy inside the quantum vaccum form the universe of today?
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@fmendozajc Well when there was nothingness, or at least as we see it, an absence of our universe, an incredibly large quantum vacuum would have occured (since there would have been no energy in the empty space). This massive void brought into existence the singularity that caused the big band.
TheUnsungOne 1 week ago
@TheUnsungOne so in essence this is still a theory and only an option for the beginning of our universe?
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@fmendozajc yes, but a few things you have to consider. In science, a hypothesis does not become a theory until there is a very large amount of evidence supporting it. AND not only does the science and physics of it make sense (unlike the science and physics behind the idea of a creator) but it has evidence to support it (again, unlike the idea of a creator). So I think i'll take the thing that actually is possible, vs the fairy tale.
TheUnsungOne 1 week ago
@TheUnsungOne I understand your view point, i understand your reasoning, its logical thinking. The one thing you are lacking however is the understanding that we are spiritual beings first and foremost. You can try and reason this fact away as many others have but it still remains true. Every religion acknowledges that there is something wrong within our very being, from christianity, to hinduism, to buddhism, to tribal religions. They all acknowledge that life as we know it is not ultimate (nex
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@The UnsungOne that there is something more to our existence. You grasped this at one point as you were a member of a church but you left and chose to deny that awareness for whatever reason. Bro, im telling, the is more to life than just the physical and what science can explain, I assure you. Now as far as the science that supports intelligent design, I can refer you to a video, The Case for A Creator by Lee Strobel, you can watch clips of it on youtube. Its interesting material
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@fmendozajc I was born into a religious family, never, from the time I was born, believing any of it. I simply left mormonism because the idea of god itself always seemed to me like a joke and a fairy tale. It's wishful thinking. It's people who mistake the release of endorphins in the body as something magic. It's a chemical reaction that gives the sensation of uphoria. Not a magical being sending good fussy feelings to you.
TheUnsungOne 1 week ago
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@TheUnsungOne "never, from the time I was born, believing any of it" I find that hard to believe because in your original comment to which i responded you stated "If there was one single church that had the greatest chance of being true and having the answers it would be the mormon church". Granted I spoke against the mormon church also but what I infer from that statement that at one time you were entertaining, contemplating, debating if God was real or not, if the church was true (next post)
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@TheUnsungOne or not, obviously you chose to leave the church and reject the notion of an all creator God thus shutting off your spiritual awareness. I assure you though that God is real and as many others can attest because God speaks to our hearts and souls, something that can never be measured by science or anything in the physical world
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@fmendozajc Of course it can't be measured by science or the physical world... that's because it's not real. Look it's obvious you are incredibly uneducated, very gullible, and that for some reason you want to believe that something greater than you loves you, but there is just no such thing. If god was really out there and wanted us to know that he loved us, then why does he work so hard to hide from us. He never shows up to anyone, never talks to anyone and makes sure that (next post)
TheUnsungOne 1 week ago
@TheUnsungOne are you sure He never shows up to anyone, that He never talks to anyone because I know of plenty of accounts where He has shown up and speaks directly to individuals. And there is evidence of His existence, Romans 1:20, now whether you choose to accept the evidence that He has given you is up to you, but we are without excuse
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@fmendozajc How do you figure that Romans 1:20 is proof of god's existence? Honestly I think you have a serious problem with using logic. It's not that I don't accept the evidence for god, it's that I have never once seen any evidence. And peoples accounts of seeing god are not even close to reliable evidence of god's existence. A patient at a mental institution once told me that he was visited by goblins in the night. Does that count as evidence for the existence of goblins?
TheUnsungOne 1 week ago
@TheUnsungOne Romans 1:20 states "For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse" He has revealed Himself through creation, whether you choose to accept it is a completely different topic, but He has revealed Himself through the physical world.
fmendozajc 6 days ago
@TheUnsungOne As far as individuals that receive revelation directly from God, we have the Holy Spirit to confirm or deny that revelation. Jesus warned us that there would be false prophets, witness, and wolves within the Church, but He sent us the Holy Spirit, God Himself to help us in these matters. As far as my use of logic, understand this, you can never use something from the physical world, science, to explain something that is spiritual, God. To do so defies basic logic.
fmendozajc 6 days ago
@fmendozajc I understood what Romans 1:20 was about and what it meant, the problem is, you claim that to be evidence. How has his invisible qualities been clearly seen? Because the bible claims that a supreme being created the world, even though science has a much more reliable and probable explanation for how it happened? When i was a church goer and I felt that "holy spirit" tell me something was true, I believed that it was the holy spirit. The guess what (next post)
TheUnsungOne 6 days ago
@TheUnsungOne His invisible qualities have been seen by the way the universe works, the way are planet works, how everything is in cohesion with another. This world, this universe is too complex to have simply happened, or to have developed over billions of years. Life is simply too complex.
fmendozajc 6 days ago
@fmendozajc I got that EXACT same feeling when I discovered that god wasn't real. All that sensation is, is a release of endorphins in the body, caused by the brain receiving a piece of information that it likes. The brain then released endorphins which causes excitement and a feeling of euphoria.
TheUnsungOne 6 days ago
@TheUnsungOne Im sorry you cannot understand the Holy Spirit by relating it to the physical world. We have hearts, we have souls and God speaks directly to that.
fmendozajc 6 days ago
@fmendozajc By what basis do you assume that life is too complex? Why would you assume that life can't naturally be complex? If you are referring to irreducible complexity then you are far worse off then I thought. Irreducible complexity has been proven false over, and over, and over, and over again. Also, plz answer my question. Do you believe the bible was divinely inspired and that god guided it's creation?
TheUnsungOne 6 days ago
@TheUnsungOne Yes I use irreducible complexity as a basis from science for the evidence of intelligent design, specifically God. I understand that it is rejected by the larger scientific community and I understand that you reject it as well, but I do not base my evidence for God on the physical but rather on the fact that we are spiritual beings first and foremost. There is more to this life beyond the physical, I know you choose to deny it, based on the lack of concrete physical evidence (next)
fmendozajc 6 days ago
@TheUnsungOne that you desire for the existence of an all creator God, but there will never be that evidence that you seek. God speaks to your heart, your soul, not human understanding or its wisdom.
fmendozajc 6 days ago
@fmendozajc Let me ask you something.. Do you believe that the bible was divinely inspired and that the creation of the bible was guided by gods hand?
TheUnsungOne 6 days ago
@TheUnsungOne Yes I do. It was written by 40 different authors with 66 different books all pointing to one central figure, Jesus Christ. I understand the varying arguments against this belief, but that still does not nullify the validity of God's word.
fmendozajc 6 days ago
@fmendozajc So then you believe that everything in the bible is true then, correct? Even that god commanded people to murder innocent women and children? Even that god is a racist? Which part do you believe, when Jesus says that he IS god or when he actually TALKS to god?
TheUnsungOne 6 days ago
@TheUnsungOne Yes I believe in the entirety of the bible, not in reference to how you put it because God never commands anyone to be murdered. Put to death and kill yes but never murder, also God is not a racist that is simply false as Jesus would have not commanded His followers to preach the gospel to all nations and creatures. Yes Jesus is God and speaks to God the Father as well as God the Holy Spirit. Yes I know its a difficult concept to grasp but thats how God is. It is not up (next post)
fmendozajc 6 days ago
@TheUnsungOne to us to decide how God is or is not. His ways are not our ways and they will forever be mysterious to us til the day of His second coming.
fmendozajc 6 days ago
@fmendozajc Or are those parts of the bible exempt and the rest of it is true?
TheUnsungOne 6 days ago
@TheUnsungOne nothing is exempt from the bible, Jesus said that He did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it, everything in the bible is true whether you choose to believe or not. Now as far comprehension comes along thats entirely a different subject, but the bible will remain true for all of eternity.
fmendozajc 6 days ago
@fmendozajc The you find it okay that god promotes and encourages genocide, the murder of infants, rape, kidnapping, and racism (just a few of the horrible things that god has done). With a god that does these things, why shouldn't I question him. Let just say that if god is real, you should be worshipping me, cause I've never done any of those things. It's like a father who beats their child every night and then tells them "I'm your father and I know what's best for you (next post)
TheUnsungOne 6 days ago
@TheUnsungOne if you could point out the verse that refers to the issues you have with God, I would love to read them. Also I assure you that your personal view of God is warped and false
fmendozajc 6 days ago
@fmendozajc OMG man you are blind and stupid. It's not my personal view. IT'S IN THE BIBLE. IT. IS. HOW. GOD. IS. If you believe in the bible as a whole (which you say you do) then you have to believe that god is a child murder, rapist and racist. It is not dissputable. If you don't believe those things, then you don't believe in the bible. Plain and simple.
TheUnsungOne 6 days ago
@TheUnsungOne "then you have to believe that god is a child murder, rapist and racist."if you are so sure of this claim please show where these verses are that refer God as what you just mentioned
fmendozajc 6 days ago
@fmendozajc "And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn
in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his
throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and
all the firstborn of cattle." (Exodus 12:29)
"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill
every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls
who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."
(Moses - Numbers 31:17)
TheUnsungOne 6 days ago
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fmendozajc 6 days ago
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@TheUnsungOne Both the passages refer God issuing out His righteous judgment upon those people who chose to worship false Gods and did evil to the Israleties, His chosen people. In the passage from exodus that was the tenth plague that God had issued out upon Egypt because the Pharaoh chose to not release His chosen people. In Numbers, the Midianities had led some the of Israelites astray and led them to be unfaithful in which God sent a plague upon the Israelites that killed a number of them
fmendozajc 6 days ago
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"And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his
sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly
destoyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city
we left none to remain:" (Deuteronomy 2:33-34)
TheUnsungOne 6 days ago
@TheUnsungOne "This very day I will being to put the terror and fear of you on all the nations under heaven. They will hear reports of you and will tremble and be in anguish because of you." Deuteronomy 2:25
This is the reason for the acts that were committed in the passage you referenced
fmendozajc 6 days ago
@fmendozajc "Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is
joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be
dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and
their wives ravished...... Their bows also shall dash the young men to
pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye
shall not spare children." (Isaiah 13:15-18)
TheUnsungOne 6 days ago
@TheUnsungOne This passage refers to a prophecy that has not yet occured as it is referring to the Day of the Lord, Jesus Christ's second coming, its a wrath against all who have not accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior
fmendozajc 6 days ago
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@fmendozajc "Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is
joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be
dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and
their wives ravished...... Their bows also shall dash the young men to
pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye
shall not spare children." (Isaiah 13:15-18)
TheUnsungOne 6 days ago
@fmendozajc "And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and
the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have
mercy, but destroy them." (Jeremiah 13:14)
In these verses, not only does god command people to slaughter innocent children and infants, but he also commands them to rape the women. God let's some races do this to other races. Genocide is the name of the game. And god revels in it.
TheUnsungOne 6 days ago
@TheUnsungOne This passage refers to judgement and wrath upon the nation of Israel for turning their back on the Lord
fmendozajc 6 days ago
@TheUnsungOne The thing that you also have to understand is sin and what it takes to have sin be wiped away. Sin can only be cleared by the payment of death, that is why God had the nation of Israel issue sacrifices for their sins. Any sin that is committed against God will be repayed by death. That is why Jesus Christ came not to condemn the world but to save it through His death. His death was issued as payment for all of our sins
fmendozajc 6 days ago
@fmendozajc This is ridiculous. I can't believe you are trying to justify god slaughtering innocent women, children and infants. I can tell you this, I am a better man than god. You are a better man than god. And if the day comes that I pass on and I find out that god is real, I will walk away and reject him. He can give me whatever punishment he chooses, but I will not stand along-side that murderer. /watch?v=DBezvtQ_3a8
TheUnsungOne 5 days ago
@TheUnsungOne Bro I assure you that God is not a murderer, I know the verses that you pointed out speak of His wrath, which is great as His word depicts, but God is a being full of mercy and grace. Mercy and grace that proceed His wrath. Believe me when I tell you that your view of God and His word is warped. Also you and I are not as good as you think, especially when you compare ourselves to God's goodness and holiness. Also the link you posted does not work
fmendozajc 5 days ago
@fmendozajc So don't believe that the murder of innocent children and infants is never, under any circumstances okay? You think that there are certain circumstance where it is justified to brutal murder children who have never consciously done anything wrong in their lives? also if you type youtube(dot)com/watch?v=DBezvtQ_3a8 the link should work perfectly (replace (dot) with . )
TheUnsungOne 5 days ago
@TheUnsungOne Again i tell you that your perception of God and His word is simply false. Also I refer you again to 1 Corinthians 1:27-29 because the video you referred me to tries to use science for the existence of God when God is a spiritual being. He cannot be explained by science, the physical, philosophy or the greatest human understanding that one can achieve. All the knowledge in all the world, will not allow one to explain God even though thats how you want the existence of God
fmendozajc 5 days ago
@fmendozajc I... I... just don't know where to begin with you man. That video I reffered you to had nothing to do with science... it was all logical. And I think it's awfully convenient for you to say he's spiritual. That just allows you to shove off the lack of evidence for his existence as something unexplainable. It should be explainable, otherwise it's not real. Spiritual in this sense is just another word for non-existent.
TheUnsungOne 5 days ago
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@TheUnsungOne The video's logic was all based on scientific evidence was it not? I also put a catch all phrase " the greatest human understanding that one can achieve" which entails the use of logic. Also explain to me how it is convenient for me to say it is a spiritual thing and cannot be explained by science. How can that be convenient for me when I trying to explain to you that God is real, please tell me how is that convenient? I wish I could give you the physical, scientific, (next post)
fmendozajc 5 days ago
@fmendozajc logical evidence that you desire, but God does not work that way. The bible also says that man will always be learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth. Mankind will always continue to learn and grow and make new discoveries about our planet and universe but if they only see life through the lens of the physical and human understanding, mankind will never come to know the existence of God.
fmendozajc 5 days ago
@fmendozajc This bit of circular reasoning is silly as can be. "There is plenty of evidence for god's existence, but it's all spiritual so you can't see the evidence." So how do you know that there is even evidence? "Well the bible tells me so." How do you know the bible is true. "Cause it's the word of god." How do you know it's the word of god? "because the bible tells me so." How do you know the bible is true? "because it's the word of god." It's bigotry bullshit is what it is.
TheUnsungOne 4 days ago
@fmendozajc How do you know that there is anything spiritual in existence? And self-experience is not an answer, it needs to be something observable or there is no reason to assume that it exists.
TheUnsungOne 4 days ago
@TheUnsungOne Have you heard the story of Don Piper?
fmendozajc 4 days ago
@fmendozajc Yes, I have. It's funny you should mention that because I have had a near-death experience too. When I was 17, I drowned in Bear Lake during a swim. When I passed out under the water, I remember seeing a garden full a magical creatures like werewolves and fairies. (I was dead for nearly a fully minute before i was luckily revived by CPR) When a person dies, the brain is the last thing in the body to shut down. (next post)
TheUnsungOne 3 days ago
@fmendozajc The other organs shut themselves down and the body uses the resources to power the brain as long as possible. It is not at all unusual for people to see all sorts of strange things when dying. That is why people report flashbacks and bright lights when they have near death experiences, because you are not actually fully dead when seeing these things. The brain still functions minimally. So to say that you still saw stuff when you nearly died (next post)
TheUnsungOne 3 days ago
@fmendozajc , therefore, god must exist, is just pure ignorance. That being said, what makes Don Piper's experience any more reliable than mine as evidence for the existence of god?
TheUnsungOne 3 days ago
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fmendozajc 3 days ago
@TheUnsungOne were you pronounced dead for 90 minutes by EMT officials on the scene?
fmendozajc 3 days ago
@fmendozajc You act as if coming back from 90 minutes of pronounced death is is this rare and wonderful thing and that someones nearly brain-dead vision while in this state is proof of god. It doesn't matter how long it was that he was "dead", the fact is that the body can keep the brain alive for very long amounts of time, especially in cold environments. Now if he had been dead for around 4 hours, when the bacterias in the body began to decompose him from the inside out (next post),
TheUnsungOne 3 days ago
@fmendozajc Then I would be impressed, and I would say that you were onto something, but unfortunately science rules this one again, as I learned in college biology the bodies (quite amazing) ability to keep the brain. As I said before, I think this is evidence of evolution through natural selection, since god obviously wouldn't put such mechanisms in the body. After all, (with god) when it's your time to go, it's your time to go. If god was real the body wouldn't fight to stay alive.
TheUnsungOne 3 days ago
@TheUnsungOne alright if you believe its not a rare thing for a human being to be pronounced dead for 90 mins, not a near death experience, but actual death, then fine thats your belief. Have you heard the story of Colton Burpo?
fmendozajc 3 days ago
@fmendozajc You have this false idea that if a doctor (who can only see death based on vital signs like heartbeat and breathing) pronounces somebody dead, that they are actually dead. Truth is that synapses in the brain can still fire off long after heartbeat and breathing are no longer detectable. It's not like when a doctor says "Okay, he is dead" the person actually dies. If he was revived, then it was near-death, not actual full blown death.
TheUnsungOne 2 days ago
@TheUnsungOne thats fine, have you heard the story of Colton Burpo?
fmendozajc 2 days ago
@fmendozajc have you ever heard of balloon boy? Coltons Burpo's vision is a publicity stunt/hoax designed to get people to join his father's ministry. Oh did you not know that his father was a minister? ya that adds a bit of bias and partiality, doesn't it? The only problem is that unlike balloon boys case, Colton Burpo's story can't be proven. Pretty sick father to make his son lie to the nation in order to make people believe in god.
TheUnsungOne 2 days ago
@TheUnsungOne alright bro, well im sorry that a story such as Colton Burpo's is a publicity stunt/hoax to you, I really am. The fact that his father is a minister has nothing to do with the validity of Colton's account of heaven. I know that you see it as bias but it really has nothing to do with it. If you look more into the whole story you will see that the facts of the actual account will prove to be true.
fmendozajc 2 days ago
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@fmendozajc have you ever heard of balloon boy? Coltons Burpo's vision is a publicity stunt/hoax designed to get people to join his father's ministry. Oh did you not know that his father was a minister? ya that adds a bit of bias and partiality, doesn't it? The only problem is that unlike balloon boys case, Colton Burpo's story can't be proven. Pretty sick father to make his son lie to the nation in order to make people believe in god.
TheUnsungOne 2 days ago
@fmendozajc I've heard many stories similar to this. "He couldn't have known that." "we didn't tell him that information before this happened." They pretty much all turned out to be fake.
TheUnsungOne 2 days ago
@TheUnsungOne have you heard the story of Akiane Kramarik?
fmendozajc 2 days ago
@fmendozajc Funny she paints Jesus to look exactly like the paintings of others before her. People who flat out said they had no idea what Jesus actually looked like. Have you ever heard of Sevant Syndrome? It's basically where someone with a disability (even people with slight disabilities) develops an amazing gift because of this disability. Usually do to the use or growth of a specific part of the brain. (next post)
TheUnsungOne 1 day ago
@fmendozajc There are plenty of sevants with far more amazing gifts than hers. One man has remembered the weather of every day since he was 9. Another man can recite 10,000 digits of pie simply by doing the calculation is his head. There are a few other equally amazing artist sevants. One sevant you may have heard of was known as the "rain man" Who could read a 400 page book in a little under a half an hour and memorize 98% of what he read. That man was SEVERLY autistic. (next post)
TheUnsungOne 1 day ago
@fmendozajc The point is that her story is once again nothing new and unimaginable. Personal experience/story is a poor way to determine whether or not god exists. These stories are either unfascinating, lies, people with mental problems, scams, etc. And there are just as many stories aiming the other direction. So let's stop basing our eternal salvation on other peoples potential falsities and get back to stating some facts. Fact #1, there have been far more elaborate religious scams.
TheUnsungOne 1 day ago
@TheUnsungOne No she does not paint Jesus as other's before, its more striking vivid and even a more modern look. Second, she is not a sevant, does not have a slight disability whatsoever and a personal experience/story is poor way for the existence of God for you. If you want facts, study the life of Jesus Christ. No other figure in human history is more controversial than Jesus of Nazareth. He was not a political leader, world leader, or a philosopher. He was a simple man, with a (next post)
fmendozajc 13 hours ago
@TheUnsungOne stunning message and mission. That He is God incarnate here to save humanity. Either Jesus Christ was a complete raving lunatic or His witness of Himself is true. Also you are right that there have been a numerous elaborate religious scams, within various denominations and religions. That still does not nullify God or His word.
fmendozajc 13 hours ago
@TheUnsungOne Also the vision of Jesus that Akaine had is confirmed by Colton also as when he saw her painting of Jesus, Colton said it was exactly right.
fmendozajc 13 hours ago
@fmendozajc Your comment was marked as "spam". I fixed that for you.
You might be interested in this TED talk about suspended animation, very incredible video! I cued it up for you so it starts 3minutes into the talk where he talks about an example of human beings in suspended animation:
watch?v=uVAaZVz9pDs#t=3m9s
At the end of his talk he says "A miracle? We hope not! Or maybe we just hope to make miracles a little more common."
iamanexmormon 3 days ago
@iamanexmormon interesting video, the only question that I have is that does everyone who has a near death experience or in the case of Don Piper, actually pronounced dead, do they enter a state of suspended animation? Furthermore do the individuals that he mentioned have any sort of visions or consciousness of another reality?
fmendozajc 2 days ago
@fmendozajc Just a bit of an additive, I dare say that, if you ask me the body shutting down in a particular order in order to save vital organs (brain, heart) is evidence of natural selection and evidence against god.
TheUnsungOne 3 days ago
@fmendozajc So the kid grows up thinking that his father beating him was normal and good for him. Have you ever thought that maybe your god actually evil and is just telling you he's good. After all, he does like when his children rape and murder each other.
TheUnsungOne 6 days ago
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For You are not a God who pleasure in wickedness, Nor shall evil dwell with You. Psalm 5:4
fmendozajc 6 days ago
@fmendozajc As far as irreducible complexity goes, I'm sorry you have fallen for that bullshit and actually took it as verifiable science. There are a large number of cases in which organisms naturally became more complex over time. I refer you to talkorigins(dot)org. Or even faster, /watch?v=SSxgnu3Hww8
TheUnsungOne 6 days ago
@fmendozajc Oh and don't forget god commanding people to stone their unruly children to death.
TheUnsungOne 6 days ago
@TheUnsungOne I would like you to refer to me that verse, if you could please?
fmendozajc 6 days ago
@fmendozajc and makes sure that no evidence is ever found for his existence... why? please tell me why he want people not to believe he is real. Because he sure works real hard to do so.
TheUnsungOne 1 week ago
@TheUnsungOne its not that I want to believe, I have no choice, I know without a shadow of a doubt that God is real, I cannot deny Him even if I tried or wanted. I never desired to have someone greater than myself to love, never gave much thought to Him. I was not broken or going through a hard time when I first accepted Him into my life. By human standards I was living a normal life with no hardships to speak of. When someone began to speak to me about Him, I just knew it was true (next post)
fmendozajc 1 week ago
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@fmendozajc and my life has changed ever since. Also its not that God wants people not to believe He is real, He just does not work according to our way of thinking. 1 Corinthians 1:27-29
fmendozajc 1 week ago
@fmendozajc Big bang being substantiated by the FACT that the universe is observably expanding from one central point. Quantum vacuum being substantiated by it's observable occurrence is low to no energy environments. Intelligent Design being substantiated by... um... um.... yeah.
TheUnsungOne 1 week ago
@fmendozajc After re-reading my own writing I made a few mistakes. 1. Quantum vaccum is actualyl a low energy (zero-point field) quantum phenomena. 2. "phenomena which occor *at* very small levels".
TheUnsungOne 1 week ago
@fmendozajc was one of thousands to be habitable, does not mean that it is in any way special or that anything supernatural had to intervene for it to occur. If it had been another planet in another solar system that was habitable (such planets do exist) that we lived on, you would think that god has designated that one too. Plus throughout history many catastrophies have occured on our planet that have shifted it's trajectory and composition, such as the (next post)
TheUnsungOne 2 weeks ago
@TheUnsungOne Massive meteor that struck earth millions of years ago. It nearly whiped life clean off the earth, but the earth is not so fine tuned as you think, because such a disaster did not make it uninhabitable. The habitability of a planet is not this superfantastic one in 200 trillion thing, it's really not that hard to do.
TheUnsungOne 2 weeks ago
@TheUnsungOne If you could, I would like you to direct me to the evidence, concrete evidence that supports a massive meteor striking the earth. Also I would like to hear of the other habitable planets that are in our universe and your expanded reasoning as to why the habitability of our planet is not a hard or rare thing to come by
fmendozajc 2 weeks ago
@TheUnsungOne And im sorry but the mormon church does not have it right, they have completely false doctrine and they do preach another gospel, Galatians 1:8 is what those who preach another gospel will receive. Im extremely glad that you left that church but you still have to answer to God on the day of Judgement, everyone does, those who believe in Him and those who do not
fmendozajc 2 weeks ago
@fmendozajc /watch?v=fdVucvo-kDU
TheUnsungOne 2 weeks ago
@TheUnsungOne im sorry but the video is wrong as well simply because our english word for fool is not the same in hebrew, in hebrew it refers to someone who is morally deficient. Now it is not speaking to our standard of morality or even the highest human standard of morality but to God's, the morality and goodness of God compared to ours will always be deficient. Thats who the bible refers to as fools, those who believe our morality is greater than God's
fmendozajc 2 weeks ago
@fmendozajc You once again have flawed logic. The scripture it refers to does not say that the fool in his heart has said that he is greater than god, it says, "the fool in his heart has said, THERE IS NO GOD." Meaning that the bible thinks athiests are fools. Not that anybody needs a video to know that that is completely false, but that video has many great examples of how clearly false that scripture is. The more educated one becomes, the less likely god becomes. Listen to reason.
TheUnsungOne 2 weeks ago
@TheUnsungOne Im sorry if I were to say there is no God, that my God does not exist then I am directly saying that I am greater than Him. My thoughts, my reasoning, my knowledge, my understanding of the world is greater than that of His word and the revelation that He has given us already. Also true knowledge, true understanding is not gaining more worldly facts or attaining a high level of intelligence, It is simply knowing God.
fmendozajc 2 weeks ago
@fmendozajc And lastly, you assume that in the original hebrew version of the bible, the hebrew word for fool was used. Perhaps the hebrew word for idiot was used and when it was translated it became fool in english.
TheUnsungOne 2 weeks ago