Interesting. I think Hitchens is arguing an evolutionary and statistical point, and I think he's right. I don't think women gravitate towards humor as a passtime nor endeavor. Those women exist, but I don't see many men finding a woman attractive because she's funny.
3 important things about Christopher: 1) Income: how did he earn the living? 2) Ego:come back as Christo? 3) Entertainment: what did he do for a good laugh? I really miss his sense of humor.
if bull dykes are emulating "male humour" as Hitchens claims, then gay men must be emulating "female humour" as there are hundreds of hilarious gay male comedians out there who act very camp and therefore feminine so feminine can be funny!
@KrazyChick17 nah, the feminine gay man act is a gimmick that generally wears thin pretty quickly. If a comedian is funny, it's in spite of it, not because of. As it happens, Hitchens didn't bring up gay men, and your deduction from his arguments is illogical. Pure non sequitur.
@jagovRUS I don't see how so. Alan Carr for example is gay comedian who is naturally camp (it isnt an act) and the primary reason people find him funny is because of his observational sense of humour. I find him more funnier than a lot of masculine male comedians
@jagovRUS yes I understand Hitchen's observations but that doesn't mean I can't make any of my own. He says butch lesbians emulate men which makes them funnier than the average woman, so I made the same comparison with gay men emulating women and still being extremely humourous. How is that going off topic?
@KrazyChick17 It's not going off topic really, (you can say whatever you'd like anyway) but gay men emulating women is not analogous to butch lesbians emulating men. It's not an inversion of the same thing, it's a different dynamic altogether, which is why you can't use it to provide some sort of counter-argument against Hitchens, which is all I was saying.
@KrazyChick17 They're not analogous because gender roles aren't just different sides of a coin, and you can't use them interchangeably as reverse equivalents. Masculine-acting female is not equally opposite of feminine-acting male. They're two different things entire.
I appreciated much of what Christopher Hitchens said about religion and politics in his lifetime, but his dismissal of Jewish and "bull dyke" comedians is both bigoted and offensive.
@GameShowGuy Why? Just because you call something by its name doesn't make you a bigot. It is a historical fact that most female comedians fall under those labels, only recently the mold is expanding and even then their work feels a bit formulaic. Also, it wasn't a dismissal.
Tina Fey doesn't know humour, she got mad at Jimmy Fallon near laughing at himself in sketches on Saturday night live, saying it wasn't professional, sorry Tina comedys not meant to be taken serious thats a big taboo you got there and him near laughing at himself was the funniest parts of Saturday night live
I have seen women the size of a small car having no problems getting a steady stream of fit men to have sex with. Women dont have to be goodlooking to get sex.
I don't know... Being able to make a man laugh is my number one turn on. I get bored if a guy just wants to put himself on display as the "comedian" with no witty back-and-forth between us.
@J27Delight that's still Hitchen's point, it's YOUR turn on. You require a man with such a great sense of humor that he cannot only make you laugh, he even laughs at your jokes. He'd still make babies with you even if you weren't funny. That's sexual selection at work: the pressure to be funny is not on you, the pressure to laugh at your jokes is on him. Men need to have sense of humour in order to make babies, women can choose whichever man they want. If they're hot, they're allowed to be funny
@J27Delight They arent laughing with you they are laughing at you, women could recited the phone book and men would say they are funny if they are cute.
@therealsteamingpile Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but that could equally be said of women laughing at men's jokes. If a woman fancies a man, she's far more likely to find him funny. ;)
All these men coming to this youtube video to post their sexist comments. I wonder if any of them would have the COURAGE to fight and die in Iraq like the some of those american female soldiers did...? Probably not. So using this Hitchens logic of gender stereotyping all you sexist little piglets must not really be men. After all Hitchens with his love of long lunches and alcohol and cushy life doesn't factor on the macho scale.
@redredredtoo Seriously, what are you talking about? Are you high or something? Why do you keep going "I bet you wouldn't be brave enough to fight in Iraq"? What does that have to do with ANYTHING!?
Anyway, just because we think women aren't funny, doesn't mean we're sexist. I think many women are brilliant people with amazing minds, but there aren't that many funny women. No-one is saying anything malicious about women, we're just saying that they're not funny. How do you not get it?
@redredredtoo You call this man a hypocrite? Imply men are not men if they don't fight in wars? (Seriously?) Call people pickle dick (Good one), and probably don't understand that masculinity and femininity are closer to traits rather than defining of a specific gender (at least in this day and age).
Going through the comments, there are a ton of women saying 'yeah it's true, we usually aren't as funny as men'. I'm pretty sure these aren't all self-loathing auto-misogynists.
It has just occurred to me that the funniest woman I know, a good friend of mine, is in fact a lesbian. Oh dear. In fact, she largely comes across as being 'one of the boys', despite being very attractive indeed. The other funny women I know are all extremely intelligent generally, I don't know any particularly funny women of average intelligence.
Oh my word, he's so right, but I feel dirty admitting it. NO, I'm NOT saying there are no funny women, or that all funny women are lesbians, Jewish or fat. And neither was Hitchens. He was just saying that they have less of a need to be funny because men will want to sleep with them anyway. Men compete with each other in trying to be the funniest/wittiest all the time. With women this is not usually the case, they compete in other ways.
@cornflakeclusters No just disgusted by the little creepy sexists pigs coming out of the closet like yourself. Bet you wouldn't have the balls to fight and die in Iraq like one female soldier I know...instead you hide like a coward behind your computer.
@redredredtoo How am I sexist? I just don't think women are funny, how is that sexist? And why are you bringing up "fighting in Iraq"? What are you talking about? What does that have to do with anything? I don't give a fuck about some random female soldier you happen to know, that's irrelevant to the topic. What are you on?
How am I "hiding behind my computer"? You're on your computer too, so what's your point? Is this the first time you've ever tried to debate?
@cornflakeclustersYou can sayy all this behind a computer but not actually come out in public and defend your sexist views. Well you wouldn't have the courage to fight for yuor country..does that make you less of a man? if you gender stereotype it does.
@redredredtoo You don't make any sense, what you're saying is irrelevant to the point. What does "fighting for my country" have to do with any of this? Listen to me carefully; I do not find women funny. When a female comedian comes onto the stage, she never makes me laugh. When a woman tries to act wacky and whimsical, I don't laugh. How is this so hard for you to grasp? Women do not make me laugh. It's simple.
And I would defend these views if we were talking face-to-face, why not?
@redredredtoo Hey, guess what... men and women are different. Amazingly crazy, huh? Each is better and worse at different things than the other... and pointing that out isn't sexist in the least. It is plainly the truth.
@jagovRUS You again. you disguise your sexism this way. your argument is total B.S. You love to stereotype based on gender and I'm guessing probably race as well.. Everyone is in individual in case you haven't realised that. Some women are funny, are soldiers, are athletes, some are homemakers, and gentle and whatever else you think might be appropriate characteristics for a woman. Don't stereotype. Goodbye.
@redredredtoo Nature 'stereotypes' on gender based on your definition. Yes everyone is an individual and some women are funny, blah blah etc. BUT that's not what he's saying, is it? He's saying (truthfully so) that women ON THE WHOLE are less funny than men. You're reading into it what you wish to rather than what's actually being said. You're no better than any other fanatic and at least as worthless. A life without a critically thinking brain. What a waste.
@redredredtoo I don't think you get what I'm saying. I'm not "stereotyping" women, I'm merely stating the fact that I've never really laughed at a woman, I've never seen a woman that I would call funny. Get it? Please explain to me how that is sexist. I really don't understand how that is sexist. Do you want me to lie to make you feel better? Do you want me to say "Oh, I laugh at women all the time, they're so funny", because I would be lying if I were to say something like that.
Love it when Hitchens is being a blaring dick. It's not like he's without points, but the dude knew who the message was being aimed at and still made sure to come across as condescending as possible.
You didn't listen to him. That is obvious. You zeroed in on those words that I also found offensive but in turn you missed his point. He wasn't saying women need to be jewish or a lesbian or big. He was saying those are characters that women play up but that were an original invention of men. He also never said women aren't funny....he said women are less likely to be funny unless they adapt male traits and techniques. You are like many people on this page.....you didn't listen at all.
@Flipper79able I did listen.I presumed those words could be a metaphor for the way relationships between sexes are just as you described, but I never once heard a hint of sarcasm, a comparison, or the words "most" or "some".That's why I had no choice but to think the man was flat out saying what came out of his mouth. I like him btw. This one just didn't seem like a metaphor. I read the article too. He was standing behind this claim and explaining. I'm not offended, just confused.
@Flipper79able Invention of men? No he is saying men are biologically meant to be funnier as a result of evolution so they can attract women....and that women have to mimic men to be funny. I say both sexes are display diverse traits, and that you can not stereotype male or female behaviour...a bull dyke is not imitating a man, she is simply not conforming to gender stereotypes.
@redredredtoo So if women are mimicking men than doesn't that mean they are copying them? That's the same thing. Your trying to say that these are not male characters but they are. They are mimicking the male character or characteristics...that's emulating them. It's the same damn thing. I appreciate the lesson you tried to give me but it's dead wrong. I'm glad you felt smart for a second though. As for the part about biology, your right about that..I just didn't have enough room to get into it.
@Flipper79able they are NOT copying mimicking or anything...they are just being themselves. Do you say that they women soldiers who gave their lives in iraq were mimicking men by fighting in a war? or did they do it because they have courage and heart...I mean come on that is just offensive.
@redredredtoo You are impossible. I DIDN'T SAY ANY OF THIS STUFF. I'm clarifying what Hitchens was saying. He said that women comics emulate men. That means they are copying men. I was clarifying what Hitchens was saying and that's what he said. Your fighting the wrong person. One thing I will agree with Hitchens on is that some women DEFINITELY DON'T LISTEN. Your emotions got so in the way of your intellect that you thought I was agreeing with him when I was just clarifying what he said.
@redredredtoo P.S.- And just so WE ARE CLEAR. When I say you don't listen....I mean you don't understand my writing when I thought I had been perfectly clear from the beginning. I clarified what Hitchens said and you wrote back telling me how Hitchens never said that women where copying men. When that's exactly what he said. We had to go over that twice actually. Then you insinuated my ideas were sexist when I never stated my own ideas. You really need to learn how to calm down and think.
@miki5xD Whenever someone says "Women aren't funny", women usually respond by going "But I'm funny, everybody tells me so!" Calling yourself funny is pointless because pretty much everyone thinks they're funny. Of course you're going to think you've got a good sense of humor, but it doesn't change the fact that most women are not funny. There are some funny women, but they are the exceptions.
@cornflakeclusters You can make an have an objective perception of yourself just as of the world around you if you're smart enough to think properly about it.
And I didn't call me funny, people around me point me out as "the funny one" in a social group that has males in it. Who knows maybe my sense humor would never appeal to you personally, so this is pointless to talk about.
Hitchens has proven that women in general are relegated to stupidity by their own emotions. His article blatantly compliments women and places them on a pedestal for which the very women he places on that pedestal try their hardest to climb down and duke it out in the mud and grime with the men.
I honestly believe, even after this and all the other silliness swirling around Hitch's article, that Christopher Hitchens was trying to be funny. He was an advocate for women in his life. he was sarcastic and brutally direct, but I don't think he was a misogynist. I think, like Stephen Colbert, he was trying to mock idiots and blowhards that actually think women aren't funny by speaking as if he were one. When people took it seriously, he played it up - that was his game. Just my opinion.
@thirtysilver No I think your dead wrong. I think Hitchens doesn't mind getting a laugh here or there but that's not his style. He's not Andy Kaufman for Christ's sake. He made a career out of being brutally honest as you said....and I think he wanted to be taken seriously and listened to. He's not going to risk his reputation over a prank like that.....it's just not his style. I think maybe you respect him but didn't like his opinions here and want it all to be a joke as to not face the truth.
Unless the women play the role of a sexually ungratified Jewish feminazi who masterbates to the idea of castrating males(Bette Midler and Roseanne Barr come to mind) ...then they are not that funny..
boy oh boy, when you tell women they don't have a sense of humor you are opening a whole can of worms. John Belushi once said "chicks ain't funny", and he worked with Gilda Radner, and she certainly was funny. I'll say this, women have a very different sense of humor from men. And I agree with the late Mr. Hitchens in this case, I don't think women are funny. I didn't like the movie Bridesmaids, but every woman I knew thought it was histerical.
I have seen women the size of a small car having no problems getting a steady stream of fit men to have sex with. Women dont have to be goodlooking to get sex.
Women don't need to be funny? I guess the rest of that sentence is, to attract a man for sex. They need to be funny for other things tho, like cooling arguments and pacifying babies. His premise is based solely on male sexuality, which makes it sexist as he's applying it to both genders.
@wilpri Well I think the key is moreover that while it may be useful for a woman to be funny in other situations, it's not actually necessary from an evolutionary standpoint.
I think hitchens is prone too much to generalizing here though, talking about "women" or a gender as a whole seems to me to be superfluous. How could one pretend to know the intricate details of half of the human population? You can't.
2:45 "Soooo... What has been the achievement of my essay: it has been to make sexier women try harder to amuse. Well that was my whole plan to start with."
Guy has a brain, I don't think anybody can dispute that, I've not read the article, but from this, I get exactly what he's trying to say, regardless as to whether it's accepted or not, he's right. It's not as though he's saying "send women back to the kitchen", nothing he's saying is sexist, just factual based on several decades of scientific development. Women don't NEED to be funny, because men don't find humor as attractive, as we do other things.
This Hitchens guy really looks like the type who lays naked in a bath tub and has old men piss on him and rubs his stubby little flaccid dick while the lemon partyers piss in his mouth.
@FuckYourGodYourLord Bill Hicks Reference but Hitch was actually one of the biggest opponents of the right (he did support the Iraq War unfortunately). Judging by your screen name you are also an atheist. Hitch was one of the leaders of the new Atheist movement.
If you want to get laid you have to be popular and of high social status. A man will use humour to entertain other men as it enables him to attain a higher social standing, which is ultimately what women are attracted to.
well he is right on most things,but he is wrong about the only qualification of men getting laid is to make women laugh...only thing you need to have is good appearance to attract her sexual desire, or shit load of money to impress her...women run on emotion, and if you can' provoke a positive reaction in one, you will never get laid
I agree with Hitchens on a lot of things but when he says you'll never get laid as male because you don't make a women laugh is total bullshit. That's an opinion not fact.
@leftyzizzle Perhaps what he suggests is that a male who not only never tries to make women laugh, but invariably fail when they try, is only ever likely to breed with creatures no one else would bother even attempting to. Or maybe they simply represent examples of the boundlessness of female charity.
@leftyzizzle if you note the smirk on his face that he cannot hide as he discusses this article you will detect that he is not being entirely serious. He is deliberately provoking a reaction by being outrageously insensitive and absolutist without actually meaning it. Anyone who knows how much Hitch respected his fellow human beings- women included- knows he was just having a bit of fun here.
Hitchens is not being sexist when he asserts this. He is just pointing out certain thruths. He is not saying that women don't have a sense of humour, but that they have less need to be funny themsleves than men do. I tend to agree. Political correctness is just a polite way of lying.
he was talking about women general sense of humour. of course there are really funny women comedians like Lucille Ball, Fran Drescher,Sarah Sliverman. what he meant to say is that in terms of evolution, men had to develop a sense of humour in order to attract females while females in general had no reason to develop a sense of humour because men did the chasing and females had a choice of chosing any males that chased after her. humour was developed by males to attract females
I think the main reason why many female comedians aren't funny is because there are a few women in comedy. It's like 90% of comedians are male while only 10% are female, so there's a high number of funny men. The female comedians need also to cater to the male audience so they try to pursue more male-friendly humour which doesn't suit them.
Btw, I'm female and I think Sarah Silverman is an awful comedian.
@DrOprahVonPenishat You and the two people who gave you a thumbs up haven't met many females then, or perhaps you just know American girls (who aren't really funny).
I do wonder if he's not a little misguided in demarcating "male" humor as he did around 2:16. Yes, men have set up the comic traditions, but expecting women to re-invent the field to make it "theirs" would be like expecting political women to re-invent government in order to participate in politics 'as women.'
I'm not sure how being Jewish is one of the "forms of emulating male humor" either.
So there are two levels here: (1) it must be determined objectively (not anecdotally, people) that women are indeed less funny than men, and (2) IF it's found to be true, then the cause must also be objectively determined. As it stands, we do not have the proper methodology to find out either of these things definitively, so anything offered up in the way of explanation is purely speculative (and likely suffused with odd cultural notions about gender that we have trouble recognizing.)
IME, it seems that men try (and fail) to be funny more often than women, and that's about the extent of the matter. I only know a few truly funny people, and they are equally men and women. The problem with the original Hitchens article is that he attempts to give the common "women are not funny" trope a facile evo psych explanation, and his "argument" simply does not withstand even the laziest amount of scrutiny.
@Orangey222 Sorry, but I'm going to trust the eminently intellectual, best-selling, highly educated, internationally-recognized, author, philosopher, thinker, genuis-like, highly un-anonymous man who is coming closer to getting a statue of him built in a prominent place in London over you.
Mainly because he's right and he knows what he's talking about.
"facile evo psych explanation". Your hypocrisy knows no bounds, it seems.
@thesecretbet You clearly (1) don't know the meaning of the word "hypocrisy" and (2) are incapable of thinking for yourself if you accept arguments solely on the basis of the "authority" of the person who made them. Hitchens, a man who above all prizes free and critical thinking, would be ashamed of you.
BTW, is he a genetic scientist or evolutionary psychologist? No? Then how is he able to make these claims where people in those fields have not? Grow a brain.
@Orangey222 I'll concede defeat here. I know when I'm bettered. Thamk you for making me think about believing one man's opinoin outright.
I do believe, personally, given the evidence I have researched on the subject that is available to all of us, people are trying to quanitfy something that is unquantifiable.
I just see the idea of females being biologically predisposed to not have to be funny to procreate, continue the species as something that is close to fact.
@thesecretbet And I'll concede that an evolutionary explanation is certainly a strong possibility, even if it's a little crude and in need of much more solid explanatory foundations. If it turns out to be true, then it's true. However, I think we are a long way from knowing either way (or even being able to find out if we can ever know anything about it), and I question whether it's really an important thing to be focusing scientific resources and energies on.
These women were the A-team of the opposing argument? I have never found Tina Fey and Amy Poehler the least bit funny (have you SEEN "Baby Mama"?). Sarah Silverman can draw a chuckle or two, but she relies too much on vulgarity (contrast, for example, with Brian Regan, among many successful others), and it's very discrediting.
Our British Sue Perkins is a genuinely funny woman. However, she is a lesbian. Sandi Toksig is Danish, lesbian and has most of her material written for her by men. What's my point? Sorry, seemed to have lost my train of thought here....
@spaarky13 I'm not going to let you get away with using Sue Perkins & Sandy Toksvig as examples to prove your pointless point. (I think you're still trying to reinforce an argument that doesn't exist. That they're aren't any individuals that are female that are not funny.)
Joan Rivers? Yes. Wanda Sykes? Excellent stand-up comedian courted by the POTUS. I'm English and I can categorically state that they are not funny. At all.
As Hitchens states, you're not listening to him. Listen.
Christopher says women on the whole aren't funny because there's not an evolutionary need for women to be funny. That's all, not that women CAN'T be funny. I think that's the difference that some ladies are not getting. That's fair enough imo.
Although how much that's actually the result of cultural upbringing, rather than some evolutionary trait?
I wonder if someone's actually tried to do a scientific study measuring women's "funniness" across different cultures lol.
This may be a strange question, but how do we know what cultural traits are an evolutionary necessary to prolong a species? I'm not talking about cock size or any other physical attribute; it seems a bit presumptuous to know with absolute certainty that men have to make women laugh in order to have a chance. Is this across every culture? What about cultures where that is not necessary (e.g. dowries, forced marriage, etc); does that culture nullify the need for humor?
Cultures evolve as much as genetic codes do, but along different mechanisms. Sure it's not via sexual selection and DNA, but the engine of "survival of the fittest" is absolutely at play in cultural memes. If something doesn't work, it isn't perpetuated or taught/imitated by future generations.
The beauty of cultural evolution (and the great power of humanity) is that, unlike genetic evolution, cultures can evolve quickly and within a generation.
@Oleander410 Humour as Hitchens sees it is NOT a cultural trait but a genetic one. He is saying men are funnier than women due to their biology, NOT through socialisation or cultural norms(that would be what feminists might argue)
Then I don't need to make an argument, since the genetic side of evolution is settled.
To be honest, I don't understand the argument from these women, since anyone not hiding under a rock plainly experiences much more humor coming from males. I don't think the argument is that it's IMPOSSIBLE for women to be funny, but that they are so with much less frequency.
Personally, I could spontaneously name 5 male comics, the female equivalents of which I've never seen.
@Oleander410 The "genetic side of evolution" is hardly settled when it comes to the issue of humor and gender. We don't even have a solid methodology with which to study the issue (not to mention the lack of an ideology-free theoretical basis for even framing the question, if it can be framed non-ideologically at all.)
Moreover, exposure to fewer humorous women than men is (1) anecdotal, and (2) still in need of satisfactory scientific explanation, even if it turned out to be true in general.
Sure, it's not settled. No one can say definitively either way, but, for me at least, his explanation for the genetic "pressure" for men to be humorous is persuasive. I'd be surprised if there wasn't any genetic 'shadow' to that longstanding social pressure.
I don't think he's trying to publish a scientific paper on this, so don't try to hold him to those standards. If we're just looking at this like a debate, his case seems to outmatch his opponents.
@Oleander410 What other standards are there to hold him to? Rhetorical? If he's merely speculating he should make that clear in his article. Failing to do so (and including largely irrelevant and problematic "studies" to bolster his scientific ethos) is intellectual dishonesty, pure and simple.
@Oleander410 "The genetic side of evolution is settled." IT IS?! HOLY SHIT! Where is it? Honestly, if you talk to any comic they'll tell you that how funny a comedian is depends on the audience. Any black comedian will tell you that. Wanda Sykes, Nicki Payne, Debra Digiovanni, Sarah Silverman, Rosanne, Joan Rivers, Kathy Griffin. The last one is arguably a lot like Joan Rivers. Does it really make a difference that I named them to this argument?
@KellyChartier2 "Does it really make a difference that I named them to this argument?" Sorry, I thought I should expand: If the feminist argument is that women are not allowed/supported into a male dominated profession, then not being able to name many female comedians helps the feminist argument. It could mean that they're bad, but if I could name more than 5 does that prove that they're good? Probably not. Maybe a profession doesn't make the comedian.
I think his case that it has been genetically advantageous over a long period of time for men to be humorous makes it pretty unlikely that there would be zero genetic connection. I'm not saying we can isolate it or that it would be measurable. No one can say for certain about the genetic issue (so assertions from either side can't be made definitively), but Hitchens seems to have the better argument.
Even if his "why" is wrong, the fact of the matter is accurate.
@redredredtoo Sorry I took so long to reply; I was a bit disgusted that I commented on Youtube and felt it best that I ignored it. I feel better. Anyway: The point of his argument does not allude me. I got it. My problem is that there is no backing at all for his idea that genetics has something to do why "women aren't funny". I just don't buy it; where does language and genetics distinct themselves? Is it the XX, XY, XXX, XYY, etc. chromosomes? You don't know? Neither does he...
@Oleander410 Sorry for the long break (I dispise commenting on Youtube; I don't know what came over me). Thank you for the comment! It had a zen end to it and I thought that was quite nice; gave me an idea of hope or ignorance (if that makes sense).
@KellyChartier2 Look what Hitchens is saying is not backed up by science in any way. He is just perpetuating old gender stereotypes that mostly died out with the advent of the second wave of feminism. He had issues with women, he even said women are better at child rearing,etc. He uses offensive terms like Bull dyke. The way he talked about women was degrading. I am sure Hitchens has never done any "double blind" studies to confirm this "theory" of his.
True, but neither is the case of the other side backed up by any science. So you can't say that he's wrong any more than he can say he's right. He does seem to make a good case for the genetic pressure for men toward humor, to which the other side has no rebuttal.
And yes, terms like "bull dyke" are offensive, but is there another term which could c
Interesting. I think Hitchens is arguing an evolutionary and statistical point, and I think he's right. I don't think women gravitate towards humor as a passtime nor endeavor. Those women exist, but I don't see many men finding a woman attractive because she's funny.
Capt777harris 3 hours ago
Just watch 30 rock...its a terrible show.
pietzeekoe 7 hours ago
3 important things about Christopher: 1) Income: how did he earn the living? 2) Ego:come back as Christo? 3) Entertainment: what did he do for a good laugh? I really miss his sense of humor.
max86to99 8 hours ago
if bull dykes are emulating "male humour" as Hitchens claims, then gay men must be emulating "female humour" as there are hundreds of hilarious gay male comedians out there who act very camp and therefore feminine so feminine can be funny!
KrazyChick17 17 hours ago
@KrazyChick17 So true!!!
redredredtoo 15 hours ago
@KrazyChick17 nah, the feminine gay man act is a gimmick that generally wears thin pretty quickly. If a comedian is funny, it's in spite of it, not because of. As it happens, Hitchens didn't bring up gay men, and your deduction from his arguments is illogical. Pure non sequitur.
jagovRUS 15 hours ago
@jagovRUS I don't see how so. Alan Carr for example is gay comedian who is naturally camp (it isnt an act) and the primary reason people find him funny is because of his observational sense of humour. I find him more funnier than a lot of masculine male comedians
KrazyChick17 13 hours ago
@KrazyChick17 Great. You said it yourself "primary reason". Nothing to do with Hitchens' observations then.
jagovRUS 13 hours ago
@jagovRUS yes I understand Hitchen's observations but that doesn't mean I can't make any of my own. He says butch lesbians emulate men which makes them funnier than the average woman, so I made the same comparison with gay men emulating women and still being extremely humourous. How is that going off topic?
KrazyChick17 11 hours ago
@KrazyChick17 It's not going off topic really, (you can say whatever you'd like anyway) but gay men emulating women is not analogous to butch lesbians emulating men. It's not an inversion of the same thing, it's a different dynamic altogether, which is why you can't use it to provide some sort of counter-argument against Hitchens, which is all I was saying.
jagovRUS 5 hours ago
@jagovRUS I don't see it being much different personally.
KrazyChick17 3 hours ago
@KrazyChick17 They're not analogous because gender roles aren't just different sides of a coin, and you can't use them interchangeably as reverse equivalents. Masculine-acting female is not equally opposite of feminine-acting male. They're two different things entire.
jagovRUS 3 hours ago
@KrazyChick17
Only women find them funny.
AgentGhost 14 hours ago
@AgentGhost proof? I know loads of men who find them funny
KrazyChick17 13 hours ago
"Most men are fantastically unattractive, what women see in them is mysterious to most men as well as most women" LMAO that's awesome.
VapourTrailPT 20 hours ago 2
such a legend
zerr0ww 22 hours ago
I appreciated much of what Christopher Hitchens said about religion and politics in his lifetime, but his dismissal of Jewish and "bull dyke" comedians is both bigoted and offensive.
GameShowGuy 1 day ago
@GameShowGuy Why? Just because you call something by its name doesn't make you a bigot. It is a historical fact that most female comedians fall under those labels, only recently the mold is expanding and even then their work feels a bit formulaic. Also, it wasn't a dismissal.
Figaera69 18 hours ago
LIKE A BOSS
ChronoTriggerMusic 1 day ago
Tina Fey doesn't know humour, she got mad at Jimmy Fallon near laughing at himself in sketches on Saturday night live, saying it wasn't professional, sorry Tina comedys not meant to be taken serious thats a big taboo you got there and him near laughing at himself was the funniest parts of Saturday night live
flossyoke1 1 day ago
I always said what hitchens was saying now that hes confirmed it im even more satisfied lol
flossyoke1 1 day ago
This is all very depressing.
J27Delight 1 day ago
Sarah is not and has never been funny, Tina is mildly amusing, and Amy Poehler must have nude pictures of someone to stay in show business this long.
therealsteamingpile 1 day ago
Never mind making ladies laugh, I have a foolproof way to bed any lady. I just ask "Does this handkerchief smell of Chloroform ?" :-) Just kidding !
Tonymount 1 day ago 2
@Tonymount hey, thats my pickup line! Works every 5 years
aintnopity 1 day ago
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highwind8124 2 days ago
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"most men are fantastically unattractive" NOT
most men are just mediocre.
I have seen women the size of a small car having no problems getting a steady stream of fit men to have sex with. Women dont have to be goodlooking to get sex.
runtodahills 2 days ago 6
I don't know... Being able to make a man laugh is my number one turn on. I get bored if a guy just wants to put himself on display as the "comedian" with no witty back-and-forth between us.
J27Delight 2 days ago
@J27Delight that's still Hitchen's point, it's YOUR turn on. You require a man with such a great sense of humor that he cannot only make you laugh, he even laughs at your jokes. He'd still make babies with you even if you weren't funny. That's sexual selection at work: the pressure to be funny is not on you, the pressure to laugh at your jokes is on him. Men need to have sense of humour in order to make babies, women can choose whichever man they want. If they're hot, they're allowed to be funny
baasmans 2 days ago
@baasmans
they dont have to be hot either. AVERAGE LOOKING women can easily get sex w/o being a comedian.
runtodahills 2 days ago
@J27Delight
you can easily attract men for sex w/o having to make them laugh. If you enjoy making men laugh its about what you want rather than what he wants.
in a sexual relationship, men dont require of women to bring anything else to the table other than sex itself. please make no mistake about it.
runtodahills 2 days ago
@J27Delight They arent laughing with you they are laughing at you, women could recited the phone book and men would say they are funny if they are cute.
therealsteamingpile 1 day ago
@therealsteamingpile Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but that could equally be said of women laughing at men's jokes. If a woman fancies a man, she's far more likely to find him funny. ;)
JckSwan 1 day ago in playlist Mind and Matters
amazing man
Ksixstring 3 days ago
Women are funny, but for some reason we need to point out how sexy they are too.
GenerationXeroFilms 3 days ago
All these men coming to this youtube video to post their sexist comments. I wonder if any of them would have the COURAGE to fight and die in Iraq like the some of those american female soldiers did...? Probably not. So using this Hitchens logic of gender stereotyping all you sexist little piglets must not really be men. After all Hitchens with his love of long lunches and alcohol and cushy life doesn't factor on the macho scale.
redredredtoo 3 days ago
@redredredtoo You obviously know nothing of this man if you think hes either sexist or gay.
I'm not gonna go on and get into a rant with you, I'm just saying, you're getting all excited over nothing.
TastyYumYums 3 days ago
@redredredtoo get off the crack
crazyrahul97 3 days ago
@redredredtoo Seriously, what are you talking about? Are you high or something? Why do you keep going "I bet you wouldn't be brave enough to fight in Iraq"? What does that have to do with ANYTHING!?
Anyway, just because we think women aren't funny, doesn't mean we're sexist. I think many women are brilliant people with amazing minds, but there aren't that many funny women. No-one is saying anything malicious about women, we're just saying that they're not funny. How do you not get it?
cornflakeclusters 2 days ago
@cornflakeclusters good for you.
redredredtoo 15 hours ago
@redredredtoo You call this man a hypocrite? Imply men are not men if they don't fight in wars? (Seriously?) Call people pickle dick (Good one), and probably don't understand that masculinity and femininity are closer to traits rather than defining of a specific gender (at least in this day and age).
MyFishIsTwonk 1 day ago
@MyFishIsTwonk it's called irony to get a point across.
redredredtoo 15 hours ago
@redredredtoo I'm sure it is darling.
MyFishIsTwonk 8 hours ago
Well said sir
lebanner3 3 days ago
4:20 Is he talking about women laughing?
Tsteve08 3 days ago
Going through the comments, there are a ton of women saying 'yeah it's true, we usually aren't as funny as men'. I'm pretty sure these aren't all self-loathing auto-misogynists.
guitarpedant 4 days ago
To be getting so many likes compared to dislikes, this video must be getting voted up by quite a lot of women.
guitarpedant 4 days ago
It has just occurred to me that the funniest woman I know, a good friend of mine, is in fact a lesbian. Oh dear. In fact, she largely comes across as being 'one of the boys', despite being very attractive indeed. The other funny women I know are all extremely intelligent generally, I don't know any particularly funny women of average intelligence.
guitarpedant 4 days ago
Oh my word, he's so right, but I feel dirty admitting it. NO, I'm NOT saying there are no funny women, or that all funny women are lesbians, Jewish or fat. And neither was Hitchens. He was just saying that they have less of a need to be funny because men will want to sleep with them anyway. Men compete with each other in trying to be the funniest/wittiest all the time. With women this is not usually the case, they compete in other ways.
guitarpedant 4 days ago
I would rather be unfunny than more likely to commit murder, rape, child molestation, start wars, commit genocide....etc
redredredtoo 4 days ago
@redredredtoo Awww...are you butt-hurt because women aren't funny?
cornflakeclusters 4 days ago
@cornflakeclusters No just disgusted by the little creepy sexists pigs coming out of the closet like yourself. Bet you wouldn't have the balls to fight and die in Iraq like one female soldier I know...instead you hide like a coward behind your computer.
redredredtoo 3 days ago
@redredredtoo How am I sexist? I just don't think women are funny, how is that sexist? And why are you bringing up "fighting in Iraq"? What are you talking about? What does that have to do with anything? I don't give a fuck about some random female soldier you happen to know, that's irrelevant to the topic. What are you on?
How am I "hiding behind my computer"? You're on your computer too, so what's your point? Is this the first time you've ever tried to debate?
cornflakeclusters 2 days ago
@cornflakeclustersYou can sayy all this behind a computer but not actually come out in public and defend your sexist views. Well you wouldn't have the courage to fight for yuor country..does that make you less of a man? if you gender stereotype it does.
redredredtoo 15 hours ago
@redredredtoo You don't make any sense, what you're saying is irrelevant to the point. What does "fighting for my country" have to do with any of this? Listen to me carefully; I do not find women funny. When a female comedian comes onto the stage, she never makes me laugh. When a woman tries to act wacky and whimsical, I don't laugh. How is this so hard for you to grasp? Women do not make me laugh. It's simple.
And I would defend these views if we were talking face-to-face, why not?
cornflakeclusters 9 hours ago
Christopher Christopher...why oh why???? I did love you so...
redredredtoo 4 days ago
@redredredtoo Hey, guess what... men and women are different. Amazingly crazy, huh? Each is better and worse at different things than the other... and pointing that out isn't sexist in the least. It is plainly the truth.
jagovRUS 3 days ago 2
@jagovRUS You again. you disguise your sexism this way. your argument is total B.S. You love to stereotype based on gender and I'm guessing probably race as well.. Everyone is in individual in case you haven't realised that. Some women are funny, are soldiers, are athletes, some are homemakers, and gentle and whatever else you think might be appropriate characteristics for a woman. Don't stereotype. Goodbye.
redredredtoo 15 hours ago
@redredredtoo Nature 'stereotypes' on gender based on your definition. Yes everyone is an individual and some women are funny, blah blah etc. BUT that's not what he's saying, is it? He's saying (truthfully so) that women ON THE WHOLE are less funny than men. You're reading into it what you wish to rather than what's actually being said. You're no better than any other fanatic and at least as worthless. A life without a critically thinking brain. What a waste.
jagovRUS 15 hours ago
@redredredtoo I don't think you get what I'm saying. I'm not "stereotyping" women, I'm merely stating the fact that I've never really laughed at a woman, I've never seen a woman that I would call funny. Get it? Please explain to me how that is sexist. I really don't understand how that is sexist. Do you want me to lie to make you feel better? Do you want me to say "Oh, I laugh at women all the time, they're so funny", because I would be lying if I were to say something like that.
cornflakeclusters 9 hours ago
Love it when Hitchens is being a blaring dick. It's not like he's without points, but the dude knew who the message was being aimed at and still made sure to come across as condescending as possible.
Fuck you Hitchens. You are missed.
unabomberman 4 days ago
I am a girl. I am not ugly, a Jew (huh?), or a dyke and most people who socialize with me say they like my sense of humor a lot. =/
miki5xD 4 days ago
You didn't listen to him. That is obvious. You zeroed in on those words that I also found offensive but in turn you missed his point. He wasn't saying women need to be jewish or a lesbian or big. He was saying those are characters that women play up but that were an original invention of men. He also never said women aren't funny....he said women are less likely to be funny unless they adapt male traits and techniques. You are like many people on this page.....you didn't listen at all.
Flipper79able 4 days ago
@Flipper79able I did listen.I presumed those words could be a metaphor for the way relationships between sexes are just as you described, but I never once heard a hint of sarcasm, a comparison, or the words "most" or "some".That's why I had no choice but to think the man was flat out saying what came out of his mouth. I like him btw. This one just didn't seem like a metaphor. I read the article too. He was standing behind this claim and explaining. I'm not offended, just confused.
miki5xD 4 days ago
@miki5xD No problem everyone gets confused. If your going to disagree with him I just wanted it to be for the right reasons. Cheers.
Flipper79able 3 days ago
@Flipper79able Invention of men? No he is saying men are biologically meant to be funnier as a result of evolution so they can attract women....and that women have to mimic men to be funny. I say both sexes are display diverse traits, and that you can not stereotype male or female behaviour...a bull dyke is not imitating a man, she is simply not conforming to gender stereotypes.
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Flipper79able 3 days ago
@redredredtoo So if women are mimicking men than doesn't that mean they are copying them? That's the same thing. Your trying to say that these are not male characters but they are. They are mimicking the male character or characteristics...that's emulating them. It's the same damn thing. I appreciate the lesson you tried to give me but it's dead wrong. I'm glad you felt smart for a second though. As for the part about biology, your right about that..I just didn't have enough room to get into it.
Flipper79able 3 days ago
@Flipper79able they are NOT copying mimicking or anything...they are just being themselves. Do you say that they women soldiers who gave their lives in iraq were mimicking men by fighting in a war? or did they do it because they have courage and heart...I mean come on that is just offensive.
redredredtoo 3 days ago
@redredredtoo You are impossible. I DIDN'T SAY ANY OF THIS STUFF. I'm clarifying what Hitchens was saying. He said that women comics emulate men. That means they are copying men. I was clarifying what Hitchens was saying and that's what he said. Your fighting the wrong person. One thing I will agree with Hitchens on is that some women DEFINITELY DON'T LISTEN. Your emotions got so in the way of your intellect that you thought I was agreeing with him when I was just clarifying what he said.
Flipper79able 3 days ago
@redredredtoo P.S.- And just so WE ARE CLEAR. When I say you don't listen....I mean you don't understand my writing when I thought I had been perfectly clear from the beginning. I clarified what Hitchens said and you wrote back telling me how Hitchens never said that women where copying men. When that's exactly what he said. We had to go over that twice actually. Then you insinuated my ideas were sexist when I never stated my own ideas. You really need to learn how to calm down and think.
Flipper79able 3 days ago
@miki5xD Whenever someone says "Women aren't funny", women usually respond by going "But I'm funny, everybody tells me so!" Calling yourself funny is pointless because pretty much everyone thinks they're funny. Of course you're going to think you've got a good sense of humor, but it doesn't change the fact that most women are not funny. There are some funny women, but they are the exceptions.
cornflakeclusters 4 days ago
@cornflakeclusters You can make an have an objective perception of yourself just as of the world around you if you're smart enough to think properly about it.
And I didn't call me funny, people around me point me out as "the funny one" in a social group that has males in it. Who knows maybe my sense humor would never appeal to you personally, so this is pointless to talk about.
miki5xD 3 days ago
So, humor should be taken very seriously... Hmm
nanochase 5 days ago
Just look at his cheeky smile, how can you not love him.
willgw 5 days ago 9
@willgw Yeah you have to love a man who supported those iraqi sanctions which left hundreds if not thousands of children suffering and dead.
redredredtoo 3 days ago 2
@redredredtoo great point man, needed to be made
ollieeSkate 3 days ago
Hitchens has proven that women in general are relegated to stupidity by their own emotions. His article blatantly compliments women and places them on a pedestal for which the very women he places on that pedestal try their hardest to climb down and duke it out in the mud and grime with the men.
mathiastheok 5 days ago
@mathiastheok come on gender steretypes suck
redredredtoo 4 days ago
I honestly believe, even after this and all the other silliness swirling around Hitch's article, that Christopher Hitchens was trying to be funny. He was an advocate for women in his life. he was sarcastic and brutally direct, but I don't think he was a misogynist. I think, like Stephen Colbert, he was trying to mock idiots and blowhards that actually think women aren't funny by speaking as if he were one. When people took it seriously, he played it up - that was his game. Just my opinion.
thirtysilver 5 days ago
@thirtysilver No I think your dead wrong. I think Hitchens doesn't mind getting a laugh here or there but that's not his style. He's not Andy Kaufman for Christ's sake. He made a career out of being brutally honest as you said....and I think he wanted to be taken seriously and listened to. He's not going to risk his reputation over a prank like that.....it's just not his style. I think maybe you respect him but didn't like his opinions here and want it all to be a joke as to not face the truth.
Flipper79able 4 days ago
@Flipper79able You may be completely right. I respect Hitchens, and we don't want to think the people we respect have stupid opinions.
thirtysilver 4 days ago
Unless the women play the role of a sexually ungratified Jewish feminazi who masterbates to the idea of castrating males(Bette Midler and Roseanne Barr come to mind) ...then they are not that funny..
1975howardgoldman 5 days ago
boy oh boy, when you tell women they don't have a sense of humor you are opening a whole can of worms. John Belushi once said "chicks ain't funny", and he worked with Gilda Radner, and she certainly was funny. I'll say this, women have a very different sense of humor from men. And I agree with the late Mr. Hitchens in this case, I don't think women are funny. I didn't like the movie Bridesmaids, but every woman I knew thought it was histerical.
DrSho 5 days ago
Hitchens lives on-on YouTube.
pingguo2 6 days ago
"most men are fantastically unattractive" NOT
most men are just mediocre.
I have seen women the size of a small car having no problems getting a steady stream of fit men to have sex with. Women dont have to be goodlooking to get sex.
runtodahills 6 days ago
@runtodahills Brad pitt george clooney...oh la la
redredredtoo 4 days ago
Women don't need to be funny? I guess the rest of that sentence is, to attract a man for sex. They need to be funny for other things tho, like cooling arguments and pacifying babies. His premise is based solely on male sexuality, which makes it sexist as he's applying it to both genders.
wilpri 6 days ago
@wilpri Well I think the key is moreover that while it may be useful for a woman to be funny in other situations, it's not actually necessary from an evolutionary standpoint.
I think hitchens is prone too much to generalizing here though, talking about "women" or a gender as a whole seems to me to be superfluous. How could one pretend to know the intricate details of half of the human population? You can't.
Keinlicht 6 days ago
@wilpri Implying "cooling" arguements and pacifying babies is part of our biologi.
MisterBlackAssGuru 6 days ago
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shishilala 6 days ago
2:45 "Soooo... What has been the achievement of my essay: it has been to make sexier women try harder to amuse. Well that was my whole plan to start with."
dashrirprock 1 week ago 31
@dashrirprock He'd have to be damm funny, fat bloated slovenly buffoon.
redredredtoo 3 days ago
I just have one thing to say, Hitch was the fucking man. I just wish I had his charm and wit. I might, like he says, get laid more often.
Faerlon123 1 week ago
Guy has a brain, I don't think anybody can dispute that, I've not read the article, but from this, I get exactly what he's trying to say, regardless as to whether it's accepted or not, he's right. It's not as though he's saying "send women back to the kitchen", nothing he's saying is sexist, just factual based on several decades of scientific development. Women don't NEED to be funny, because men don't find humor as attractive, as we do other things.
Aiozev 1 week ago
As a funny lesbian, Hitchen nails it on the head. Getting girls to laugh is the purpose of humor.
tugger 1 week ago
Female<<<<<< This isn't sexism. It wasn't a sexist article... it was a very compelling observation and i thought he made an excellent point.
Women aren't as funny because they haven't needed to be funny. Hell, its nearly a compliment.
What a brilliant man. I really like him.
BTW, any girl whose been on the end of sexism (and haven't we all....?) knows that this isn't a scratch on it. Yeah. I really like him. He's a brain.
SolaineBelfour 1 week ago
This Hitchens guy really looks like the type who lays naked in a bath tub and has old men piss on him and rubs his stubby little flaccid dick while the lemon partyers piss in his mouth.
FuckYourGodYourLord 1 week ago
@FuckYourGodYourLord Bill Hicks Reference but Hitch was actually one of the biggest opponents of the right (he did support the Iraq War unfortunately). Judging by your screen name you are also an atheist. Hitch was one of the leaders of the new Atheist movement.
bluesboy25000 1 week ago
@FuckYourGodYourLord You say it like it's a bad thing.
SeedsOfHatred 1 week ago
@MengeleRitusAmgNatns You seem to be under the illusion that the word Jew is an insult.
Metalisjustbetter 1 week ago
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what a fat jew-boy hitchens was...glad he kicked it...lets feed him 2 pigs
MengeleRitusAmgNatns 1 week ago
If you want to get laid you have to be popular and of high social status. A man will use humour to entertain other men as it enables him to attain a higher social standing, which is ultimately what women are attracted to.
Jinmane 1 week ago
I watch this just for 3:15 I can't help but laugh until my rear detaches from my torso.
gonadcancervictim 1 week ago
well he is right on most things,but he is wrong about the only qualification of men getting laid is to make women laugh...only thing you need to have is good appearance to attract her sexual desire, or shit load of money to impress her...women run on emotion, and if you can' provoke a positive reaction in one, you will never get laid
lifemetall 1 week ago
REAL TALK!
Viltska 1 week ago
women have vaginas.
sooper2dooper3 1 week ago
I agree with Hitchens on a lot of things but when he says you'll never get laid as male because you don't make a women laugh is total bullshit. That's an opinion not fact.
leftyzizzle 1 week ago
@leftyzizzle Perhaps what he suggests is that a male who not only never tries to make women laugh, but invariably fail when they try, is only ever likely to breed with creatures no one else would bother even attempting to. Or maybe they simply represent examples of the boundlessness of female charity.
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MichaelTheOliver 1 week ago
@leftyzizzle if you note the smirk on his face that he cannot hide as he discusses this article you will detect that he is not being entirely serious. He is deliberately provoking a reaction by being outrageously insensitive and absolutist without actually meaning it. Anyone who knows how much Hitch respected his fellow human beings- women included- knows he was just having a bit of fun here.
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leftyzizzle 1 week ago
I may not be butch, but I am a lesbian. I guess that goes some way to explaining why I often feel I'm rare among the women with a sense of humour...
Hayleyfire929 1 week ago
The world is so boring without him...
daithifleming 1 week ago 29
This is hilarious! makes sense though. Women can be funny, its just harder.
helvet666 1 week ago
Hitchens is not being sexist when he asserts this. He is just pointing out certain thruths. He is not saying that women don't have a sense of humour, but that they have less need to be funny themsleves than men do. I tend to agree. Political correctness is just a polite way of lying.
seoulsimon 1 week ago
genius
churchjamespeter 1 week ago
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he was talking about women general sense of humour. of course there are really funny women comedians like Lucille Ball, Fran Drescher,Sarah Sliverman. what he meant to say is that in terms of evolution, men had to develop a sense of humour in order to attract females while females in general had no reason to develop a sense of humour because men did the chasing and females had a choice of chosing any males that chased after her. humour was developed by males to attract females
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TheDravidianwolf 1 week ago
hitchens = jewboy
MengeleRitusAmgNatns 1 week ago
@MengeleRitusAmgNatns hes not jewish you fucking idiot.
SJGibbons1000 1 week ago
@SJGibbons1000 Not entirely at least. I think his was mother was jewish, but that's about all.
Craplatte 1 week ago
@SJGibbons1000 sure he is...know ur jews slut
MengeleRitusAmgNatns 1 week ago
I think the main reason why many female comedians aren't funny is because there are a few women in comedy. It's like 90% of comedians are male while only 10% are female, so there's a high number of funny men. The female comedians need also to cater to the male audience so they try to pursue more male-friendly humour which doesn't suit them.
Btw, I'm female and I think Sarah Silverman is an awful comedian.
Lumosnight 1 week ago
@Lumosnight You got that backwards, there's not many female comedians because there's not many funny females.
DrOprahVonPenishat 1 week ago 2
@DrOprahVonPenishat You and the two people who gave you a thumbs up haven't met many females then, or perhaps you just know American girls (who aren't really funny).
Or did you make yourself three accounts?
Lumosnight 1 week ago
@Lumosnight The female sense of humour is a regional concept?
DrOprahVonPenishat 6 days ago
Most women who aren't comedians are funny.
SuperMsSonic 1 week ago
Trying to get laid is not the only reason people become funny. That is the main flaw in his argument.
Humor springs from many experiences like coming to terms with trauma and diffusing tension.
ritalover88 1 week ago
its a fact woman arent funny , i hate woman who think they funny and there just not
bensimps123 1 week ago
@bensimps123 It sounds like you just hate women.
Orangey222 1 week ago
@Orangey222 i gotta admit i love dick
bensimps123 1 week ago
I do wonder if he's not a little misguided in demarcating "male" humor as he did around 2:16. Yes, men have set up the comic traditions, but expecting women to re-invent the field to make it "theirs" would be like expecting political women to re-invent government in order to participate in politics 'as women.'
I'm not sure how being Jewish is one of the "forms of emulating male humor" either.
Oleander410 1 week ago
@Oleander410 Indeed.
Orangey222 1 week ago
Who let the fresh-out-of-art-school intern edit the video?
PERAGR0 1 week ago
So there are two levels here: (1) it must be determined objectively (not anecdotally, people) that women are indeed less funny than men, and (2) IF it's found to be true, then the cause must also be objectively determined. As it stands, we do not have the proper methodology to find out either of these things definitively, so anything offered up in the way of explanation is purely speculative (and likely suffused with odd cultural notions about gender that we have trouble recognizing.)
Orangey222 1 week ago
IME, it seems that men try (and fail) to be funny more often than women, and that's about the extent of the matter. I only know a few truly funny people, and they are equally men and women. The problem with the original Hitchens article is that he attempts to give the common "women are not funny" trope a facile evo psych explanation, and his "argument" simply does not withstand even the laziest amount of scrutiny.
Orangey222 1 week ago
@Orangey222 Sorry, but I'm going to trust the eminently intellectual, best-selling, highly educated, internationally-recognized, author, philosopher, thinker, genuis-like, highly un-anonymous man who is coming closer to getting a statue of him built in a prominent place in London over you.
Mainly because he's right and he knows what he's talking about.
"facile evo psych explanation". Your hypocrisy knows no bounds, it seems.
thesecretbet 1 week ago
@thesecretbet You clearly (1) don't know the meaning of the word "hypocrisy" and (2) are incapable of thinking for yourself if you accept arguments solely on the basis of the "authority" of the person who made them. Hitchens, a man who above all prizes free and critical thinking, would be ashamed of you.
BTW, is he a genetic scientist or evolutionary psychologist? No? Then how is he able to make these claims where people in those fields have not? Grow a brain.
Orangey222 1 week ago
@Orangey222 I'll concede defeat here. I know when I'm bettered. Thamk you for making me think about believing one man's opinoin outright.
I do believe, personally, given the evidence I have researched on the subject that is available to all of us, people are trying to quanitfy something that is unquantifiable.
I just see the idea of females being biologically predisposed to not have to be funny to procreate, continue the species as something that is close to fact.
It makes sense.
thesecretbet 1 week ago
@thesecretbet fuck off you bitch you want my address it's hell now what's yours
twoface3525 1 week ago
@twoface3525 I've sent you it. I'll be waiting.
thesecretbet 1 week ago
@thesecretbet And I'll concede that an evolutionary explanation is certainly a strong possibility, even if it's a little crude and in need of much more solid explanatory foundations. If it turns out to be true, then it's true. However, I think we are a long way from knowing either way (or even being able to find out if we can ever know anything about it), and I question whether it's really an important thing to be focusing scientific resources and energies on.
Orangey222 1 week ago
These women were the A-team of the opposing argument? I have never found Tina Fey and Amy Poehler the least bit funny (have you SEEN "Baby Mama"?). Sarah Silverman can draw a chuckle or two, but she relies too much on vulgarity (contrast, for example, with Brian Regan, among many successful others), and it's very discrediting.
BrotherAtticus 1 week ago
Our British Sue Perkins is a genuinely funny woman. However, she is a lesbian. Sandi Toksig is Danish, lesbian and has most of her material written for her by men. What's my point? Sorry, seemed to have lost my train of thought here....
spaarky13 1 week ago
@spaarky13 I'm not going to let you get away with using Sue Perkins & Sandy Toksvig as examples to prove your pointless point. (I think you're still trying to reinforce an argument that doesn't exist. That they're aren't any individuals that are female that are not funny.)
Joan Rivers? Yes. Wanda Sykes? Excellent stand-up comedian courted by the POTUS. I'm English and I can categorically state that they are not funny. At all.
As Hitchens states, you're not listening to him. Listen.
thesecretbet 1 week ago
Christopher says women on the whole aren't funny because there's not an evolutionary need for women to be funny. That's all, not that women CAN'T be funny. I think that's the difference that some ladies are not getting. That's fair enough imo.
Although how much that's actually the result of cultural upbringing, rather than some evolutionary trait?
I wonder if someone's actually tried to do a scientific study measuring women's "funniness" across different cultures lol.
85Degrees 1 week ago
He's right. 80% of the females I know are NOT funny.
6Vital6Remains6 1 week ago
@6Vital6Remains6 80% of females you know are from craigslist... look that's funny!
iluvchocolateyeah2 1 week ago
@iluvchocolateyeah2 What is 'craigslist'? I'm from New Zealand.
6Vital6Remains6 1 week ago
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MichaelTheOliver 1 week ago
I want to bang Tina Fey in her butt every night!! She can be funny at times, it is often the writing that is funny not her so much.
Saebeck32 1 week ago
What a great pair of balls
2martino3 1 week ago
women aren't funny, because they don't have to be.
sounds right to me
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mistakim31 1 week ago
This may be a strange question, but how do we know what cultural traits are an evolutionary necessary to prolong a species? I'm not talking about cock size or any other physical attribute; it seems a bit presumptuous to know with absolute certainty that men have to make women laugh in order to have a chance. Is this across every culture? What about cultures where that is not necessary (e.g. dowries, forced marriage, etc); does that culture nullify the need for humor?
KellyChartier2 1 week ago
@KellyChartier2 TL;DR? Evolution =/= cultural traits in history.
KellyChartier2 1 week ago
@KellyChartier2
Cultures evolve as much as genetic codes do, but along different mechanisms. Sure it's not via sexual selection and DNA, but the engine of "survival of the fittest" is absolutely at play in cultural memes. If something doesn't work, it isn't perpetuated or taught/imitated by future generations.
The beauty of cultural evolution (and the great power of humanity) is that, unlike genetic evolution, cultures can evolve quickly and within a generation.
Oleander410 1 week ago
@Oleander410 Humour as Hitchens sees it is NOT a cultural trait but a genetic one. He is saying men are funnier than women due to their biology, NOT through socialisation or cultural norms(that would be what feminists might argue)
redredredtoo 1 week ago
@redredredtoo
Then I don't need to make an argument, since the genetic side of evolution is settled.
To be honest, I don't understand the argument from these women, since anyone not hiding under a rock plainly experiences much more humor coming from males. I don't think the argument is that it's IMPOSSIBLE for women to be funny, but that they are so with much less frequency.
Personally, I could spontaneously name 5 male comics, the female equivalents of which I've never seen.
Oleander410 1 week ago
@Oleander410 The "genetic side of evolution" is hardly settled when it comes to the issue of humor and gender. We don't even have a solid methodology with which to study the issue (not to mention the lack of an ideology-free theoretical basis for even framing the question, if it can be framed non-ideologically at all.)
Moreover, exposure to fewer humorous women than men is (1) anecdotal, and (2) still in need of satisfactory scientific explanation, even if it turned out to be true in general.
Orangey222 1 week ago
@Orangey222
Sure, it's not settled. No one can say definitively either way, but, for me at least, his explanation for the genetic "pressure" for men to be humorous is persuasive. I'd be surprised if there wasn't any genetic 'shadow' to that longstanding social pressure.
I don't think he's trying to publish a scientific paper on this, so don't try to hold him to those standards. If we're just looking at this like a debate, his case seems to outmatch his opponents.
Oleander410 1 week ago
@Oleander410 What other standards are there to hold him to? Rhetorical? If he's merely speculating he should make that clear in his article. Failing to do so (and including largely irrelevant and problematic "studies" to bolster his scientific ethos) is intellectual dishonesty, pure and simple.
Orangey222 1 week ago
@Oleander410 "The genetic side of evolution is settled." IT IS?! HOLY SHIT! Where is it? Honestly, if you talk to any comic they'll tell you that how funny a comedian is depends on the audience. Any black comedian will tell you that. Wanda Sykes, Nicki Payne, Debra Digiovanni, Sarah Silverman, Rosanne, Joan Rivers, Kathy Griffin. The last one is arguably a lot like Joan Rivers. Does it really make a difference that I named them to this argument?
KellyChartier2 1 week ago
@KellyChartier2 "Does it really make a difference that I named them to this argument?" Sorry, I thought I should expand: If the feminist argument is that women are not allowed/supported into a male dominated profession, then not being able to name many female comedians helps the feminist argument. It could mean that they're bad, but if I could name more than 5 does that prove that they're good? Probably not. Maybe a profession doesn't make the comedian.
KellyChartier2 1 week ago
@redredredtoo
I think his case that it has been genetically advantageous over a long period of time for men to be humorous makes it pretty unlikely that there would be zero genetic connection. I'm not saying we can isolate it or that it would be measurable. No one can say for certain about the genetic issue (so assertions from either side can't be made definitively), but Hitchens seems to have the better argument.
Even if his "why" is wrong, the fact of the matter is accurate.
Oleander410 1 week ago
@Oleander410 The "why" of the matter is the part under discussion. What "fact" is accurate?
Orangey222 1 week ago
@redredredtoo Sorry I took so long to reply; I was a bit disgusted that I commented on Youtube and felt it best that I ignored it. I feel better. Anyway: The point of his argument does not allude me. I got it. My problem is that there is no backing at all for his idea that genetics has something to do why "women aren't funny". I just don't buy it; where does language and genetics distinct themselves? Is it the XX, XY, XXX, XYY, etc. chromosomes? You don't know? Neither does he...
KellyChartier2 1 week ago
@KellyChartier2 that was my point exactly....there is no genetic basis for what he says...just good old gender stereotyping.
redredredtoo 4 days ago
@redredredtoo I think I may have replied to the wrong person... Well, I guess by this generalization, women can't follow Youtube comments. lolz.
KellyChartier2 4 days ago
@Oleander410 Sorry for the long break (I dispise commenting on Youtube; I don't know what came over me). Thank you for the comment! It had a zen end to it and I thought that was quite nice; gave me an idea of hope or ignorance (if that makes sense).
KellyChartier2 1 week ago
@KellyChartier2 Look what Hitchens is saying is not backed up by science in any way. He is just perpetuating old gender stereotypes that mostly died out with the advent of the second wave of feminism. He had issues with women, he even said women are better at child rearing,etc. He uses offensive terms like Bull dyke. The way he talked about women was degrading. I am sure Hitchens has never done any "double blind" studies to confirm this "theory" of his.
redredredtoo 1 week ago
@redredredtoo
True, but neither is the case of the other side backed up by any science. So you can't say that he's wrong any more than he can say he's right. He does seem to make a good case for the genetic pressure for men toward humor, to which the other side has no rebuttal.
And yes, terms like "bull dyke" are offensive, but is there another term which could c