The Master sword is probably the picori blade. The thing that most people dont take in mind when talking about a zelda timeline is that it's a legend it could be as inaccurate as it wants as long as it's close it would still be zelda.
The Master sword is probably the picori blade. The thing that most people dont take in mind when talking about a zelda timeline is that it's a legend it could be as inaccurate as it wants as long as it's close it would still be zelda.
Also it would be great if Nintendo actually made a game were the main character is not link but instead some army general ( links father )during the war between races before OoT were they make a little one shot zelda game were its all about strategy and you have to direct the soldiers and send in back-up and tell them were to set up camp etc. they could go more indepth into the story of the war and somewhere some referance to link being taken to Kokiri forest. I would buy that.
How can there be a split for links death? Link can't die. When he does he sees darkness and big letters sayin. GAME OVER try again? No Yes
And if he chooses yes he returns to his last save point
On a more serious note. Try not to make zelda time travel seem more truthful. There are all sorts of paradoxes too it. ( link changing age in ocarina of time but not in twilight princess or skyward sword, killing demise
i have a theroy for the master swords placement in skyward sword the temple of hylia and when the land is returned to the ground i think that is eventually turned into hyrule castle as no other place resembles it in the future and also it explains why the temple of time is by the castle with the master sword and in t hyrule castle in WW and say maybe the castle was rebuilt in the child timeline and the ruins were still in the sacred grove and why the sword is there as the sword cant just move
you know. in OOT, there is one other time when link travels through time and it is canon without a doubt, when he meets Naburu, which is one of the sages and therefore affect the battle with Ganondorf. maybe the timeline can split there too, and change the battle results between win or lost.
@Dakeytar there are so many different theories and possibilities that are showing up. my fear is that people will try to find excuses to make a ten way split or something ridiculous like that. I think three is confusing enough to work out as it is
link's defeat doens't have to happen in-game or be a playable scenario, to be a viable plot. It may be the child timeline he left behind in the first place, or be an actual failure in the last battle. I personally think the sages sealed the powerful ganon after he wins by sacrificing themselves, and that's why they are reincarnated as the maidens later on and not as themselves, and why the seal holds for so long.
I think it's cool they'd that thought of the possability that Link would die is taken into acount, especially in a game with as much "Weird Time Shit" as OoT. But if you look at when the games in the "doomed" timeline came out; most, if not all, the game in that timeline came out before OoT. So it could be that "someone" (maybe Link, maybe Navi, maybe "the player") goes back in time to make sure Ganondorf lost before he destroyed Hyrule, similar too what kid Link did to make his timeline.
I enjoy the fact that we now have a time line and I feel that the links death time line is an innovative way to look at it as a very valid possibility. Now the real question to ask yourselves is if we take link failing into consideration in one spot how many other spots are there opportunity for a split failed time line and back stories to be filled
For the Link dying for the creation of the Failure Timeline: By the Time Ocarina of Time has occured, I'd think all of the other previous Links would have in fact died as well. The problem is not that Link could die (Look at PH -> ST) the problem is that it's the only time (HA!) when Link's death in a game has a consequence in the continuity.
@lordike89 Like you said early on, the same thing could happen in Skyward Sword with the fight against Demise. It's more painful here because of the nostalgia associated with about Half of the Games in the Failure Timeline. LoZ, AoL, ALttP are some of the older "more loved" games. The fact that they have such a flimsy segway into them is under most people's skins because they're not used to it like they are with the Child/Adult Split.
For the naming of all Princesses being called "Zelda" in Zelda II: you forget that there's PLENTY of time between the games where we have no idea what's going on. There could have EASILY been other princesses with other names but we never hear about them because they're not important to Hyrule.
@lordike89 Alternatively, there could be a great preference for the name Zelda because that was the name given to the reincarnation of Hylia. People could have believed that naming people after Zelda would give protection, much like people IRL believed that naming their children after a Saint (John, Mary, Teresa, etc.) would result in the Saint protecting their child. "Zelda" could also have some association with some positive trait in some Language in-universe again following a religious base.
@lordike89 @lordike89 yes having princesses named Zelda is a definite possibility. but like you said it seems as if the tradition has already been long since established.
For the problem with ALttP and OoT (The creation of the failure timeline): You could assume that Link managed to awaken the Six Sages and was set to fight Ganondorf but he died fighting in the battle (perhaps the Hero of Time was too reliant on Z-Targeting after all?) AGAINST GANONDORF. No idea how the immediate sequence following his death would happen but the Six Sages' "victory" became so important for them that they had villages named after them in the re-built Hyrule.
@GavenRocker: you should keep in mind that there will be more Legend Of Zelda games. In the video, you talk about it as if this is it. There is space for dozens of other Legend Of Zelda games in that official timeline so... yeah... it's not over yet. By the way, did you see the trailer of the new Legend Of Zelda game for Wii-U? Navi is in there. What are your thoughts on that video?
@menoziinrevoltado yes there will be more Zelda games and there is plenty of room for continuation however contemplating the future is meaningless and what is here is here and concrete and so it can be discussed. Also there has been no official trailer for a Wii-U Zelda game. are you sure you aren't referring to the E3 2011 Tech Demo?
Your explanation is way better than ocarinahero10's lol just sayin nintendo like always left alot of room for alot of games lol and with every new game I ties one loose end and creates 50 more lol
What I'm really interested in is Majora's Mask. What the hell happened to Link after that? They left that part open ended. Did he find what he was looking for or did he spend the rest of his life searching and died? That's what I'm wondering. There's just a gap between MM and Twilight Princess. Could someone shed some light on this?
@TheRy2113 we're left to believe that The Hero of Time was never heard from again. I believe they intended for his future and fate to be left open and to add a bit of mystery to him.
@GavenRocker After looking into it, there's a theory of the Hero's Shade from TP was possibly OOT Link. The theory goes that years later, after the events in MM, the Hero of Time dies in the Lost Woods and turns into a Stalfos. He is also states "I accepted life as the hero..." and some of his gear apparently resembles some of MM. Also out of the six songs you learn from the howling stones, four of them are from OOT. I don't know though. It could be easily debunked. What do you think?
@TheRy2113 this is a very believable theory and is extremley possible. the only thing I would change is that instead of becoming a Stalfos, The Hero of Time returned to Hyrule and served as a knight for the rest of his life (The Hero's Shade is an adult and wore a suite of armor and not a tunic). He eventually died in combat and this is just his spirit talking to you. I don't think he is a Stalfos. as for the Howling Stones I do not think they are important at all.
when zelda sends link back to child, that therefore ends his adult life....on THAT line...so anthing adult of the link growing up is a different life line....so no split, he just grows up and gandondorf was sent to the void during the time warp. so life doesn't continue on two separate lines
sorry about the enormous comment, but there's alot to say, anyways, yeah I like it the way it is, I think the hero of men is the one from the era of chaos that leads hyrule into the age of prosperity, it makes some good sence. being that the child timeline the way it is, I think it might confirm the tribe from majora's mask being the twilight people in TP.
also , do you remember that other reason for link's journey in MM, because I'm just curious. that's all, thanks for reading it all
@UkazutoX hey don't worry about the large comments it is all in good fun and I enjoy reading all of them. The Era of Chaos is the best place to put the Hero of Man. I had originally placed the Hero of Man story earlier but the more I think about it the more the Era of Chaos makes sense. However I still think that the Dark Tribe in MM is NOT the Dark tribe mentioned in TP. at the very least they could be Terminian counterparts but I do not think they are the same.
allowing for a stronger seal on him (maybe not as strong as it is being made to believe but...) and I think SS opened up the series very much with the whole curse on descendants, the ganon in the original zelda and FSA may be a reincarnation. I believe that malladus is another reicarnation, opening that timeline up. I still feel FSA needs something more to fit there, maybe another game will explain it, but I just fon't like that as is, otherwise I also am fine with the timeline.
@UkazutoX I think the Child Timeline is in most need of another game. Zelda 1 Ganon could also very well be another second Ganon the problem is that their just isn't any proof. I think Malladus is a completely different entity than Demise. since we don't know when Malladus was originally sealed relative to Demise's defeat it's hard to say. he could have been defeated before or after I mean it is a whole different continent we're talking about.
@GavenRocker yeah, my thought in malladus is that demises curse follows link's and zelda's ancesters, so even on a whole new continent, there's some form of demise's hate. that's not proven at all, and the history of the new land is definatly something intresting, but that's just the way I think of it/him and the curse.
well, yeah... I agree with you. link dying however, I believed happened at the very end of oot it would make sence, because he awakened all the sages and the towns in zelda II, but then dies in the very last fight, outside of the destroyed ganon's tower specificly, because there he's the pig monster that is in that timeline. one thing though, you reminded me that twinrova would have to be alive, not sure, but to if he dies there it makes the most sence, ganon is also weakened in the fight.
@UkazutoX yes he would have to have died before the fight with Twinrova. according to Four Swords Adventures Ganon is transformed into a pig by the Trident of Power which he possesses in the Ganon timeline throughout. however you do make an excellent point about the towns in Zelda II. I hadn't thought about that and it is a VERY important point
Could It be possible that Ganondorf had the the triforce of power in the adult era so he could break free, but if Link dies, he could die, during the war, with his mother. Or even on his first quest in the tree. Just saying
@MrHowarthm It does make sense. the only thing is that in A Link to the Past Ganon is sealed away in the Sacred Realm and he gets his hands on the complete Triforce turning the Sacred Realm into the Dark World.
@GavenRocker I'm not understanding how Ganon is freed from his seal if the Sacred Realm and Dark Realm are on two different planes of existence, we know this from TP.
@iverson25allen correction. the Twilight Realm from Twilight Princess and the Dark World from A Link to the Past are NOT the same thing. In a Link to the Past the Sacred Realm is transformed into the Dark World by Ganon gaining possession of the Triforce.
so the barrier of clouds that kept the people from Skyloft from crossing over was lifted, the tri-force, was re-established, and everything went good, so it is the same outcome, therefore it might not create a split in the timeline, and since Link killed Demise in the past, there was no need for Impa, that's why at the end of Skward Sword, Impa disapears, therefore killing, what might be, another time split.
I think that the reason why Skyward Sword might not create a split timeline is because whether Link went back to the past or the future an X amount of times would have not altered the outcome of the story. Meaning that, when Link killed Demise in the future, the people from Skyloft came back to the world below the clouds, the tri-force was re-established, and everything went good. Then when Link went back to the past to kill Demise, He DID kill Demise and sealed him away in the Master Sword
This video was amazing. I felt like I was in a Zelda history class.Apart from the compliments, I'd like to share some of my discrepancies and opinions.I feel as if the Minish cap and skyward sword are interchangeable because of the origin of the hat.If Nintendo said that the Minish Cap was the first Zelda game with more background info, it could make sense. Also I also wanted to point out the the extra ganon you mentioned could exist because he survided one of his previous encounters with Link.
@Qaa12 Thanks for the compliments. I feel as if the hat really isn't that monstrous of a deal. so a link was given a hat, that really doesn't mean much to me. sure back before SS came out you could make the argument that all Links must now traditionally wear a hat (maybe the Gods have a thing for being fashion savvy) but at the same time the hat really isn't that important. the biggest piece of evidence to place SS before TMC is simply because in SS The Kingdom of Hyrule hasn't been founded yet.
I was wondering about the split in skyward sword too, because if they killed demise in the future then had to go back in the past and kill him again, then they SHOULD go back to a future were there is no sealed grounds with a triforce but rather a completely NEW future......but they don't they go back to the regular future where you JUST beat demise there. So there SHOULD be a split timeline from skyward sword AND ocarina of time. At least I think so anyway.
@Skyrulian if Skyward sword were to follow the exact same rules of time travel as Ocarina of Time does then yes another time split would have to happen. then again this is Nintendo and let's face they just make up the rules as they go along.
@xNosaj50x The Hero's Shade is surrounded by pure speculation. some say he is the Hero of Time some say he's the Link from Skyward Sword (myself included) some say he has nothing to do with Link at all. either way He really doesn't affect the timeline all that much
@xNosaj50x it's heavily implied that the owl Kaepora Gaebora is actually the reincarnation of Headmaster Gaepora from Skyward Sword. the name is a dead give away, and he even looks like an owl. a Gossip Stone in OoT states that Kaepora Gaebora is the reincarnation of an ancient Sage and Headmaster Gaepora can be considered a sort of Sage being that he is an imparter of knowledge and is privy to Skyloft's secrets.
i think four swords adventures is before twighlight princess bcause no second ganon just like other times, no broken mirror yet, and ganon dies at the end, thus end of timeline.
@AmethystBanana248 It would explain the mirror but this timeline still makes more sense having the Second Ganon. plus at the end of FSA Ganon is sealed away within the Four Sword. he wouldn't be able to come back for Twilight Princess.
I actually don't know if skyward sword is the first game? I mean, first, the temple of time is an absolute wreck, crumbling down, and second, there is a hylian shield in the game, and that means hyrule exists, and that might also mean that hyrule is destroyed? but there are a lot of things that make it possible, such as the creation of the master sword, demises incarnations, zelda staying on earth and more. also, the master sword need not be used against vatii because he is not an incarnation
I actually don't know if skyward sword is the first game? I mean, first, the temple of time is an absolute wreck, crumbling down, and second, there is a hylian shield in the game, and that means hyrule exists, and that might also mean that hyrule is destroyed? but there are a lot of things that make it possible, such as the creation of the master sword, demises incarnations, zelda staying on earth and more.
@AmethystBanana248 Skyward Sword is definitively the first in the timeline and there is absolutely nothing in the game to dispute that. the Hylian Shield is obviously named after the Goddess Hylia. The Temple of time in SS is most likely not the same Temple of time in OoT and probably was eventually destroyed with age.
@LoveNeverCeases well Skyward Sword's Temple of Time is already in ruins in the game. there's nothing left of it but an outdoor amphitheater like structure. Girahim busted through the stone blocking the entrance and Impa destroyed the Gate of Time making the Temple essentially destroyed. so with that Temple demolished it'd make more sense that the Sealed Temple (where the Master Sword eventually rests) is converted by the Hylians into the new Temple of Time.
@NinjaApe101 although I highly doubt Nintendo would do such a thing, the idea does sound fun. I can imagine being able to control a Toon Link, a realistic Link and a Link based off the older classic design
awesome analysis. I have one question: if Link was sent back WITH the triforce of courage by zelda, and after he returns, an 'alternative' timeline is created: How does the triforce return in wind waker (which corresponds to the 'original' time)?¿
@SuperAmazingPower considering that Ocarina of Time never showed Link breaking the Triforce of Courage into shards the world may never know. all that is known is that in both Timelines the Triforce of Courage exists. In one it is broken into pieces, in the other it ends up with TP Link
What I don't get is that why did Ganon need a minion to undo the seal leading to A Link to the Past when he had the triforce with him. Couldn't he have wished himself free instead of wishing to be a pig with a trident?
I also don't understand how Link could split the triforce of courage before returning to the past and yet also have the full triforce of courage when he returned to the past.
Link doesn't die he just isn't in that timeline because he travels back to a child to get the lense of truth making him not in that previous time leaving Ganon to roam freely around hyrule.
@windwakerpikmin personally I like that explanation 100X better than Link dying. however Hyrule Historia clearly depicts the timeline being caused by The Hero of Time's death. there is a chance that it could be a mistake by the fans who translated it but with this explanation frequently appearing in more and more sources it is starting to look less and less likely
i think that this is the timeline with the games so far, and now that they have a time line they can fill in the parts that don't exactly fit right with the current timeline. and with spirit tracks and madallus i think madalus is another incarnation of demise and that the timeline can and will continue on all 3 threads and there may even be more before skyward sword? who knows, nintendo is just full of surprizes!!
@quaz450 yeah there is totally enough room for Nintendo to once again upend the tea table..... I mean fill in the timeline. personally I think that Malladus was a separate entity from Demise but it is possible. I think the next game should take place on the Child Timeline personally since The Second Ganon is still technically alive so they can easily bring him back for another game.
I thought link was immortal and couldn't die.
KonThePedoBEAR 2 hours ago
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The Master sword is probably the picori blade. The thing that most people dont take in mind when talking about a zelda timeline is that it's a legend it could be as inaccurate as it wants as long as it's close it would still be zelda.
joelw2rapfanatic 1 week ago
The Master sword is probably the picori blade. The thing that most people dont take in mind when talking about a zelda timeline is that it's a legend it could be as inaccurate as it wants as long as it's close it would still be zelda.
joelw2rapfanatic 1 week ago
Also it would be great if Nintendo actually made a game were the main character is not link but instead some army general ( links father )during the war between races before OoT were they make a little one shot zelda game were its all about strategy and you have to direct the soldiers and send in back-up and tell them were to set up camp etc. they could go more indepth into the story of the war and somewhere some referance to link being taken to Kokiri forest. I would buy that.
Theoutcome0 2 weeks ago
How can there be a split for links death? Link can't die. When he does he sees darkness and big letters sayin. GAME OVER try again? No Yes
And if he chooses yes he returns to his last save point
On a more serious note. Try not to make zelda time travel seem more truthful. There are all sorts of paradoxes too it. ( link changing age in ocarina of time but not in twilight princess or skyward sword, killing demise
Theoutcome0 2 weeks ago
i have a theroy for the master swords placement in skyward sword the temple of hylia and when the land is returned to the ground i think that is eventually turned into hyrule castle as no other place resembles it in the future and also it explains why the temple of time is by the castle with the master sword and in t hyrule castle in WW and say maybe the castle was rebuilt in the child timeline and the ruins were still in the sacred grove and why the sword is there as the sword cant just move
JustaC00lGuy 3 weeks ago
has anyone even thought that the fact there could be two legendary blades
JustaC00lGuy 3 weeks ago
you know. in OOT, there is one other time when link travels through time and it is canon without a doubt, when he meets Naburu, which is one of the sages and therefore affect the battle with Ganondorf. maybe the timeline can split there too, and change the battle results between win or lost.
Dakeytar 1 month ago
@Dakeytar there are so many different theories and possibilities that are showing up. my fear is that people will try to find excuses to make a ten way split or something ridiculous like that. I think three is confusing enough to work out as it is
GavenRocker 1 month ago
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link's defeat doens't have to happen in-game or be a playable scenario, to be a viable plot. It may be the child timeline he left behind in the first place, or be an actual failure in the last battle. I personally think the sages sealed the powerful ganon after he wins by sacrificing themselves, and that's why they are reincarnated as the maidens later on and not as themselves, and why the seal holds for so long.
LaChoclicles 1 month ago
I think it's cool they'd that thought of the possability that Link would die is taken into acount, especially in a game with as much "Weird Time Shit" as OoT. But if you look at when the games in the "doomed" timeline came out; most, if not all, the game in that timeline came out before OoT. So it could be that "someone" (maybe Link, maybe Navi, maybe "the player") goes back in time to make sure Ganondorf lost before he destroyed Hyrule, similar too what kid Link did to make his timeline.
NinjaKIngAce 1 month ago
I enjoy the fact that we now have a time line and I feel that the links death time line is an innovative way to look at it as a very valid possibility. Now the real question to ask yourselves is if we take link failing into consideration in one spot how many other spots are there opportunity for a split failed time line and back stories to be filled
thedecembomber 1 month ago 2
@thedecembomber as many as Nintendo wants
GavenRocker 1 month ago
For the Link dying for the creation of the Failure Timeline: By the Time Ocarina of Time has occured, I'd think all of the other previous Links would have in fact died as well. The problem is not that Link could die (Look at PH -> ST) the problem is that it's the only time (HA!) when Link's death in a game has a consequence in the continuity.
lordike89 1 month ago 3
@lordike89 Like you said early on, the same thing could happen in Skyward Sword with the fight against Demise. It's more painful here because of the nostalgia associated with about Half of the Games in the Failure Timeline. LoZ, AoL, ALttP are some of the older "more loved" games. The fact that they have such a flimsy segway into them is under most people's skins because they're not used to it like they are with the Child/Adult Split.
That ends my commentary.
lordike89 1 month ago
For the naming of all Princesses being called "Zelda" in Zelda II: you forget that there's PLENTY of time between the games where we have no idea what's going on. There could have EASILY been other princesses with other names but we never hear about them because they're not important to Hyrule.
lordike89 1 month ago
@lordike89 Alternatively, there could be a great preference for the name Zelda because that was the name given to the reincarnation of Hylia. People could have believed that naming people after Zelda would give protection, much like people IRL believed that naming their children after a Saint (John, Mary, Teresa, etc.) would result in the Saint protecting their child. "Zelda" could also have some association with some positive trait in some Language in-universe again following a religious base.
lordike89 1 month ago
@lordike89 @lordike89 yes having princesses named Zelda is a definite possibility. but like you said it seems as if the tradition has already been long since established.
GavenRocker 1 month ago
For the problem with ALttP and OoT (The creation of the failure timeline): You could assume that Link managed to awaken the Six Sages and was set to fight Ganondorf but he died fighting in the battle (perhaps the Hero of Time was too reliant on Z-Targeting after all?) AGAINST GANONDORF. No idea how the immediate sequence following his death would happen but the Six Sages' "victory" became so important for them that they had villages named after them in the re-built Hyrule.
lordike89 1 month ago
@lordike89 certainly plausible. I go deeper into it in my more recent videos called the Book of Mudora.
GavenRocker 1 month ago
You're mom is full of holes and discrepancies
eslamdaoud 1 month ago
@GavenRocker: you should keep in mind that there will be more Legend Of Zelda games. In the video, you talk about it as if this is it. There is space for dozens of other Legend Of Zelda games in that official timeline so... yeah... it's not over yet. By the way, did you see the trailer of the new Legend Of Zelda game for Wii-U? Navi is in there. What are your thoughts on that video?
menoziinrevoltado 1 month ago
@menoziinrevoltado yes there will be more Zelda games and there is plenty of room for continuation however contemplating the future is meaningless and what is here is here and concrete and so it can be discussed. Also there has been no official trailer for a Wii-U Zelda game. are you sure you aren't referring to the E3 2011 Tech Demo?
GavenRocker 1 month ago
@GavenRocker Oh, shit... it was a demo indeed.
menoziinrevoltado 1 month ago
Your explanation is way better than ocarinahero10's lol just sayin nintendo like always left alot of room for alot of games lol and with every new game I ties one loose end and creates 50 more lol
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Justgiveup45 1 month ago
Will it come out in America?
Justgiveup45 1 month ago
@Justgiveup45 there has been no word on a localization
GavenRocker 1 month ago
What I'm really interested in is Majora's Mask. What the hell happened to Link after that? They left that part open ended. Did he find what he was looking for or did he spend the rest of his life searching and died? That's what I'm wondering. There's just a gap between MM and Twilight Princess. Could someone shed some light on this?
TheRy2113 1 month ago
@TheRy2113 we're left to believe that The Hero of Time was never heard from again. I believe they intended for his future and fate to be left open and to add a bit of mystery to him.
GavenRocker 1 month ago
@GavenRocker After looking into it, there's a theory of the Hero's Shade from TP was possibly OOT Link. The theory goes that years later, after the events in MM, the Hero of Time dies in the Lost Woods and turns into a Stalfos. He is also states "I accepted life as the hero..." and some of his gear apparently resembles some of MM. Also out of the six songs you learn from the howling stones, four of them are from OOT. I don't know though. It could be easily debunked. What do you think?
TheRy2113 1 month ago
@TheRy2113 this is a very believable theory and is extremley possible. the only thing I would change is that instead of becoming a Stalfos, The Hero of Time returned to Hyrule and served as a knight for the rest of his life (The Hero's Shade is an adult and wore a suite of armor and not a tunic). He eventually died in combat and this is just his spirit talking to you. I don't think he is a Stalfos. as for the Howling Stones I do not think they are important at all.
GavenRocker 1 month ago
@GavenRocker a translation from Hyrule Historia has confirmed that the Hero's Shade IS indeed the Hero of Time
GavenRocker 1 month ago in playlist Book of Mudora
@JaMsTeR971 Yes that is exactly right.
GavenRocker 1 month ago
when zelda sends link back to child, that therefore ends his adult life....on THAT line...so anthing adult of the link growing up is a different life line....so no split, he just grows up and gandondorf was sent to the void during the time warp. so life doesn't continue on two separate lines
manfrommars478 1 month ago
sorry about the enormous comment, but there's alot to say, anyways, yeah I like it the way it is, I think the hero of men is the one from the era of chaos that leads hyrule into the age of prosperity, it makes some good sence. being that the child timeline the way it is, I think it might confirm the tribe from majora's mask being the twilight people in TP.
also , do you remember that other reason for link's journey in MM, because I'm just curious. that's all, thanks for reading it all
UkazutoX 1 month ago
@UkazutoX hey don't worry about the large comments it is all in good fun and I enjoy reading all of them. The Era of Chaos is the best place to put the Hero of Man. I had originally placed the Hero of Man story earlier but the more I think about it the more the Era of Chaos makes sense. However I still think that the Dark Tribe in MM is NOT the Dark tribe mentioned in TP. at the very least they could be Terminian counterparts but I do not think they are the same.
GavenRocker 1 month ago
allowing for a stronger seal on him (maybe not as strong as it is being made to believe but...) and I think SS opened up the series very much with the whole curse on descendants, the ganon in the original zelda and FSA may be a reincarnation. I believe that malladus is another reicarnation, opening that timeline up. I still feel FSA needs something more to fit there, maybe another game will explain it, but I just fon't like that as is, otherwise I also am fine with the timeline.
UkazutoX 1 month ago
@UkazutoX I think the Child Timeline is in most need of another game. Zelda 1 Ganon could also very well be another second Ganon the problem is that their just isn't any proof. I think Malladus is a completely different entity than Demise. since we don't know when Malladus was originally sealed relative to Demise's defeat it's hard to say. he could have been defeated before or after I mean it is a whole different continent we're talking about.
GavenRocker 1 month ago
@GavenRocker yeah, my thought in malladus is that demises curse follows link's and zelda's ancesters, so even on a whole new continent, there's some form of demise's hate. that's not proven at all, and the history of the new land is definatly something intresting, but that's just the way I think of it/him and the curse.
UkazutoX 1 month ago
well, yeah... I agree with you. link dying however, I believed happened at the very end of oot it would make sence, because he awakened all the sages and the towns in zelda II, but then dies in the very last fight, outside of the destroyed ganon's tower specificly, because there he's the pig monster that is in that timeline. one thing though, you reminded me that twinrova would have to be alive, not sure, but to if he dies there it makes the most sence, ganon is also weakened in the fight.
UkazutoX 1 month ago
@UkazutoX yes he would have to have died before the fight with Twinrova. according to Four Swords Adventures Ganon is transformed into a pig by the Trident of Power which he possesses in the Ganon timeline throughout. however you do make an excellent point about the towns in Zelda II. I hadn't thought about that and it is a VERY important point
GavenRocker 1 month ago
hey gaven rocker im going to send a video response that was intended for dsdude but i think you can relate to it. please comment
Qaa12 1 month ago
@Qaa12 ok I'll take a look at it
GavenRocker 1 month ago
Could It be possible that Ganondorf had the the triforce of power in the adult era so he could break free, but if Link dies, he could die, during the war, with his mother. Or even on his first quest in the tree. Just saying
MrHowarthm 1 month ago
@MrHowarthm Making it much harder for Ganondorf to escape With Link dead, making him need a puppet to undo the seal.
MrHowarthm 1 month ago
@MrHowarthm Which would make a lot of sense if you think about have two timelines where he does have the triforce of power, and one where he doesn't.
MrHowarthm 1 month ago
@MrHowarthm It does make sense. the only thing is that in A Link to the Past Ganon is sealed away in the Sacred Realm and he gets his hands on the complete Triforce turning the Sacred Realm into the Dark World.
GavenRocker 1 month ago
@GavenRocker I'm not understanding how Ganon is freed from his seal if the Sacred Realm and Dark Realm are on two different planes of existence, we know this from TP.
iverson25allen 1 month ago
@iverson25allen correction. the Twilight Realm from Twilight Princess and the Dark World from A Link to the Past are NOT the same thing. In a Link to the Past the Sacred Realm is transformed into the Dark World by Ganon gaining possession of the Triforce.
GavenRocker 1 month ago
so the barrier of clouds that kept the people from Skyloft from crossing over was lifted, the tri-force, was re-established, and everything went good, so it is the same outcome, therefore it might not create a split in the timeline, and since Link killed Demise in the past, there was no need for Impa, that's why at the end of Skward Sword, Impa disapears, therefore killing, what might be, another time split.
LuisEGaitan 1 month ago
I think that the reason why Skyward Sword might not create a split timeline is because whether Link went back to the past or the future an X amount of times would have not altered the outcome of the story. Meaning that, when Link killed Demise in the future, the people from Skyloft came back to the world below the clouds, the tri-force was re-established, and everything went good. Then when Link went back to the past to kill Demise, He DID kill Demise and sealed him away in the Master Sword
LuisEGaitan 1 month ago
This video was amazing. I felt like I was in a Zelda history class.Apart from the compliments, I'd like to share some of my discrepancies and opinions.I feel as if the Minish cap and skyward sword are interchangeable because of the origin of the hat.If Nintendo said that the Minish Cap was the first Zelda game with more background info, it could make sense. Also I also wanted to point out the the extra ganon you mentioned could exist because he survided one of his previous encounters with Link.
Qaa12 1 month ago
@Qaa12 Thanks for the compliments. I feel as if the hat really isn't that monstrous of a deal. so a link was given a hat, that really doesn't mean much to me. sure back before SS came out you could make the argument that all Links must now traditionally wear a hat (maybe the Gods have a thing for being fashion savvy) but at the same time the hat really isn't that important. the biggest piece of evidence to place SS before TMC is simply because in SS The Kingdom of Hyrule hasn't been founded yet.
GavenRocker 1 month ago
I was wondering about the split in skyward sword too, because if they killed demise in the future then had to go back in the past and kill him again, then they SHOULD go back to a future were there is no sealed grounds with a triforce but rather a completely NEW future......but they don't they go back to the regular future where you JUST beat demise there. So there SHOULD be a split timeline from skyward sword AND ocarina of time. At least I think so anyway.
Skyrulian 1 month ago
@Skyrulian if Skyward sword were to follow the exact same rules of time travel as Ocarina of Time does then yes another time split would have to happen. then again this is Nintendo and let's face they just make up the rules as they go along.
GavenRocker 1 month ago
@GavenRocker So true. I think Nintendo just laughs while our heads explode with confusion!
Skyrulian 1 month ago
I think you missed talking about the stalfos who teaches sword techniques in TP
xNosaj50x 2 months ago
@xNosaj50x The Hero's Shade is surrounded by pure speculation. some say he is the Hero of Time some say he's the Link from Skyward Sword (myself included) some say he has nothing to do with Link at all. either way He really doesn't affect the timeline all that much
GavenRocker 1 month ago
What about the giant owl in OoT? I heard there is a possibility that the owl was the previous hero of time or the father of link
xNosaj50x 2 months ago
@xNosaj50x it's heavily implied that the owl Kaepora Gaebora is actually the reincarnation of Headmaster Gaepora from Skyward Sword. the name is a dead give away, and he even looks like an owl. a Gossip Stone in OoT states that Kaepora Gaebora is the reincarnation of an ancient Sage and Headmaster Gaepora can be considered a sort of Sage being that he is an imparter of knowledge and is privy to Skyloft's secrets.
GavenRocker 2 months ago
i think four swords adventures is before twighlight princess bcause no second ganon just like other times, no broken mirror yet, and ganon dies at the end, thus end of timeline.
AmethystBanana248 2 months ago
@AmethystBanana248 It would explain the mirror but this timeline still makes more sense having the Second Ganon. plus at the end of FSA Ganon is sealed away within the Four Sword. he wouldn't be able to come back for Twilight Princess.
GavenRocker 2 months ago
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I actually don't know if skyward sword is the first game? I mean, first, the temple of time is an absolute wreck, crumbling down, and second, there is a hylian shield in the game, and that means hyrule exists, and that might also mean that hyrule is destroyed? but there are a lot of things that make it possible, such as the creation of the master sword, demises incarnations, zelda staying on earth and more. also, the master sword need not be used against vatii because he is not an incarnation
AmethystBanana248 2 months ago
I actually don't know if skyward sword is the first game? I mean, first, the temple of time is an absolute wreck, crumbling down, and second, there is a hylian shield in the game, and that means hyrule exists, and that might also mean that hyrule is destroyed? but there are a lot of things that make it possible, such as the creation of the master sword, demises incarnations, zelda staying on earth and more.
AmethystBanana248 2 months ago
@AmethystBanana248 Skyward Sword is definitively the first in the timeline and there is absolutely nothing in the game to dispute that. the Hylian Shield is obviously named after the Goddess Hylia. The Temple of time in SS is most likely not the same Temple of time in OoT and probably was eventually destroyed with age.
GavenRocker 2 months ago
@AmethystBanana248 But isn't the Temple of Time blown up during SS immediately following Zelda and Impa entering it?
LoveNeverCeases 1 month ago
@LoveNeverCeases well Skyward Sword's Temple of Time is already in ruins in the game. there's nothing left of it but an outdoor amphitheater like structure. Girahim busted through the stone blocking the entrance and Impa destroyed the Gate of Time making the Temple essentially destroyed. so with that Temple demolished it'd make more sense that the Sealed Temple (where the Master Sword eventually rests) is converted by the Hylians into the new Temple of Time.
GavenRocker 1 month ago
maybe they should make a zelda game where ur traveling through the different timelines with 3 different links
NinjaApe101 2 months ago
@NinjaApe101 although I highly doubt Nintendo would do such a thing, the idea does sound fun. I can imagine being able to control a Toon Link, a realistic Link and a Link based off the older classic design
GavenRocker 2 months ago
@GavenRocker yeah... we can only dream... lol
NinjaApe101 2 months ago
awesome analysis. I have one question: if Link was sent back WITH the triforce of courage by zelda, and after he returns, an 'alternative' timeline is created: How does the triforce return in wind waker (which corresponds to the 'original' time)?¿
SuperAmazingPower 2 months ago
@SuperAmazingPower considering that Ocarina of Time never showed Link breaking the Triforce of Courage into shards the world may never know. all that is known is that in both Timelines the Triforce of Courage exists. In one it is broken into pieces, in the other it ends up with TP Link
GavenRocker 2 months ago
What I don't get is that why did Ganon need a minion to undo the seal leading to A Link to the Past when he had the triforce with him. Couldn't he have wished himself free instead of wishing to be a pig with a trident?
I also don't understand how Link could split the triforce of courage before returning to the past and yet also have the full triforce of courage when he returned to the past.
silver0475 2 months ago
@silver0475 exactly. these are just some of the many contradictions that Nintendo has crafted for us.
GavenRocker 2 months ago
Link doesn't die he just isn't in that timeline because he travels back to a child to get the lense of truth making him not in that previous time leaving Ganon to roam freely around hyrule.
windwakerpikmin 2 months ago
@windwakerpikmin personally I like that explanation 100X better than Link dying. however Hyrule Historia clearly depicts the timeline being caused by The Hero of Time's death. there is a chance that it could be a mistake by the fans who translated it but with this explanation frequently appearing in more and more sources it is starting to look less and less likely
GavenRocker 2 months ago
i think that this is the timeline with the games so far, and now that they have a time line they can fill in the parts that don't exactly fit right with the current timeline. and with spirit tracks and madallus i think madalus is another incarnation of demise and that the timeline can and will continue on all 3 threads and there may even be more before skyward sword? who knows, nintendo is just full of surprizes!!
quaz450 2 months ago
@quaz450 yeah there is totally enough room for Nintendo to once again upend the tea table..... I mean fill in the timeline. personally I think that Malladus was a separate entity from Demise but it is possible. I think the next game should take place on the Child Timeline personally since The Second Ganon is still technically alive so they can easily bring him back for another game.
GavenRocker 2 months ago
i watched the whole thing
gabemofobass 2 months ago
@gabemofobass lol why thank you
GavenRocker 2 months ago